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Wide Belt Sander help
« on: March 03, 2021, 04:00:54 PM »
I've been looking at drum sanders for a while, but haven't pulled the trigger yet due to some reservations. I used a friends Performax 16-32, and it works well for a small shop. We've got some large orders for trim boards and I'd like to run everything through a sander after they come off the planer. We have a Powermatic 201 straight know planer that does a great job, we will typically run 500-600 lf through at a time. The drum sanders just don't seem heavy duty enough to run quantities like that on a consistent basis (they can, but very slow). I've looked at the Woodmasters and wide belt sanders, but they're expensive, out of my budget right now.

I just found an old Powermatic Sander for sale. I talked to the seller and I'm looking at it on Saturday, but he couldn't give me a model # or year. He said everything worked, but the sanding drum leaves a ridge. He hasn't taken it apart, just doesn't use it and needs the room. I'd like to see if I can source parts (if required), and was hoping someone here might know what model it is and if it's worth the project. It certainly seems like a good deal to me. It is 3 phase, but also comes with the rotary phase converter. I can get the whole works for $1,200. Any help to identify or if you've had any experience with it would really be appreciated.



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Re: Wide Belt Sander help
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2021, 04:12:56 PM »
Not familiar with that particular one but for 1200 Iíd buy it sight unseen in five minutes. 

Youíre right about drum sanders. Fine for little jobs but not much production. 

Nice find on that wide belt unit.  8)
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Re: Wide Belt Sander help
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2021, 04:27:39 PM »
I'd be all over that package for $1,200.

Before I bought my current 3 head 52" sander, I had a 37" single head wide belt sander.  Mine was a Pioneer brand made in Italy and sold by Laguna in the US.  

Typically a ridge left on a board is from either a bad spot in the rubber coated sanding drum, or if it's a platen style machine you could have a bad spot in the platen.  Hopefully the latter because it is inexpensive to fix.  With a bad spot in the drum, you have to remove the drum and send it to a specialty shop for repair.

Still worth the $1,200 even with the repair needed.

I buy my sandpaper from Klingspor, and they also have replacement platen material.  Send me a PM if you would like the name of a sales rep.
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Re: Wide Belt Sander help
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2021, 05:37:40 PM »
As a general rule sandpaper will be the most expensive tool in your shop. 
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Re: Wide Belt Sander help
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2021, 05:49:51 PM »
Thanks guys, I think I'm going to get on it. I'll report back when we get it.
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Re: Wide Belt Sander help
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2021, 02:06:43 AM »
Looks just about like the one I got, although I havenít started working on it yet.  

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Re: Wide Belt Sander help
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2021, 08:15:26 AM »
Looks just like my SCMI or Sheng shan or some over seas name. Check the roll/rolls on the bottom for damage. Mine runs 2 with a felt graphite pad. Not sure what you would do if roll in nicked, steel w/rubber. Replace? I would think PM has them painted to there spec and they come from a common factory the Grizzly looks like mine to.  I had a Grizzly drum sander, made cabinet doors for the rv and did not see the marks till up and finished. The wide belt is a HUGE step up.   

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2021, 08:19:00 AM »
If it will fire up run table down take paper off and look. Grab all the belts up you can, if loaded up buy resin remover spray on let set and hose off.

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Re: Wide Belt Sander help
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2021, 11:21:04 AM »
Not sure what you would do if roll in nicked, steel w/rubber. Replace? 
There are services available that can repair them.
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Re: Wide Belt Sander help
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2021, 01:41:16 PM »
After a little research it looks like an RB-25.  That appears to be discontinued and the replacement is the WB-25 for $13,000.  For 1200 I'd be all over it.
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« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2021, 05:49:07 PM »
Thanks Firefighter, that is what it is. I've been looking around to see how available replacement parts are, they are not. It's a fairly complex machine, but I can probably have parts made or find aftermarket bearings and the such if I need. The rotary phase converter is worth a bit on its own. 
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2021, 09:36:29 PM »
Ereplacementparts.com has quite a few parts available, but definitely a lot of parts said obsolete and not available.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2021, 09:16:11 AM »
Well did you but it??

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2021, 09:21:14 AM »
Well did you but it??
Nor yet, the guy is out of town for a couple weeks and won't be in his shop until next week. He's holding it for me so I can take a look at it. 
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« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2021, 03:10:35 PM »
Well, we couldn't wait any longer. The guy didn't get back to me and I had to get something going regarding a sanding solution. I ended up going with a new Supermax 25-50 drum sander. I know it's not going to give me the performance of a wide belt, but if I take my time it should be OK. Good thing I don't pay myself much  :D.
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« Reply #15 on: March 16, 2021, 07:29:26 AM »
If and when the guy gets back to you, buy the wide belt too.
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« Reply #16 on: March 16, 2021, 08:59:52 AM »
If and when the guy gets back to you, buy the wide belt too.
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2021, 04:30:02 PM »
I just decided today to sell my Grizzly G0458 sander.  I don't think I've used it in over a year and it takes up a lot of space that could be better used.  If I ever build a bigger shop I may get a different one.  
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« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2021, 11:57:33 PM »
Just assembled the new 25-50 tonight.  Seems well built for what it is. 
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