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« on: October 13, 2014, 07:00:50 PM »
Today the UPS freight delivered my G0490x and I think they dragged the boxes across country behind the truck.
 

 
The jointer crate had one side that looked like it was punched in by a forklift, all the nails were ripped out, the bolts that mounted the bed were ripped through the box bottom and everything slid around in the box smashing Styrofoam and making a general mess while traveling cross country. The box with the base was torn up and had a couple of fork holes punched through it. I was going to refuse the shipment, but after opening everything it did not look to bad and we noted everything on the delivery ticket so I could file a claim if I found any damage later. I must say they were poorly packed and should have been strapped to pallets to allow UPS to move them without damaging them. Over the next couple of days I will assemble it and post some pics. Have to go out and get some grease remover and a case of paper towels tomorrow as it is covered in some type of protectant grease. They even poured oil into the hardware and tool bags to prevent rust. Next time I will drive to their store to pick my order up so I don't have to wait 2 1/2 weeks to get trashed crates.
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2014, 07:28:17 PM »
That would have been hard for me not to refuse that shipment!

Funny how it can be shipped from the far-east to the US, just like it was packed, then cant even survive a trip for a few hours once in the US.
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Re: G0490x arrived.
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2014, 08:18:54 PM »
Shipping damage on this type of equipment is a huge problem. 
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2014, 08:36:28 PM »
Well I sent Grizzly a email and they set up a incident number and will contact me tomorrow for further info and support. It only took them 15 minutes to respond and sounds like they will provide any support or claims I need. This was clearly a problem created by poor handling when switching trucks by UPS freight :)
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2014, 10:07:40 PM »
I hope it is ok. I hate to see these things. Shipping is so expensive, and they treat it so bad that it is unreal. You would think they would take a little pride in their work, for the simple reason, if no one ships anything they have no job. It is terrible.
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« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2014, 07:25:57 AM »
I ordered a 15" planer, and the gearbox had been busted with a pallet fork.  Gear oil was leaking all over out the bottom of crate.  How could somebody punch a hole that high up on the crate? 

It is obvious that the person doing the damage does not accept responsibility for their actions.  In this case, they had to know that they had severely damaged the planer.  Shipped it to me anyway with oil running out of the crate. 
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« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2014, 11:07:46 AM »
Twice I ordered a 36" Starrett straightedge from Amazon.  Twice it was shipped in just the cardboard box that it comes in from Starrett.  Twice it was heavy enough to punch out on both ends and ding a corner on each end.  Just a little bit but that's not the point.  One shouldn't have to dress a Starrett straightedge with a file so it is accurate.   Still annoys me when I think about it.
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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2014, 11:21:21 AM »
I just ordered a GO454Z planer and GO562ZP dust collector with the 10% off coupon.  The planer is out of stock so I will pick both up in a few weeks at the PA location. It is a few hours from here but I will save the aggravation of possible damage during shipping (hopefully). 
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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2014, 06:26:26 PM »
WDH, I work for a trucking company that delivers freight like you had your damage freight brought to you. If the freight is damage we have to let you see it and let the customer decide if he wants to refuse it or make a claim. I'd suggest if it needs repair, refuse it! Some company makes you jump threw hoops to get repairs.  Most high  forklift holes come from the dock worker using long forks and going in to far on a stacked of pallets in front of the freight that was damaged. Trucking company pushes this guys hard out there to get everything loaded as fast as possible. I've got near 30 years with this and 2 months to go 8).
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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2014, 06:52:55 PM »
Unpacked everything to check it out and assemble it today. Used some straps like they show in the instructions and my loader to get the bed around to my basement door. Set it on some dollies to roll it in place.
 

 
Assembled the stand and was lucky that the pallet forks only went through the cardboard and 1/2 of the Styrofoam so no damage there. The instructions for assembly were right on without any problems.
 

 
I rolled the bed up to the stand and then rocked it up on some timbers to raise it to the cabinet height. It is over 300 lbs so it was the only way I could raise it up by myself.
 

 
Slid it onto the stand and aligned all the mounting holes and inserted the screws from the bottom
 

 
Tried tightening the 8 screws and the threads were not deep enough so I had to place 2 washers on each screw to get them to tighten. The washers on the screws alongside the chip chute had to be made into d shapes to get them in place.
 

 
Finished assembly without any other problems and then took some WD40 and paper towels to it . I was surprised how easy it was to clean up. I wiped the worst of the grease off the spiral head, sprayed it with the WD40, and turned it on with a piece of cardboard over the cutter head to catch the mess. Then I ran some 8 inch walnut and most of the grease came off. I was lucky there is no damage to the unit from shipping, but the beds are not adjusted properly and will have to be readjusted. About the only thing I see wrong with it is the in feed table is not ground perfectly flat and has a couple of thousandths cup in it in the first foot but that should be fine. All corners and edges were properly deburred and the fit and finish is great except for some nicks and scratches from shipping. Next I have adjust it and check the accuracy.
I can not believe how quiet it is compared to my old jointer, and how smooth it runs. Thank god only the crates were damaged  :)
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« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2014, 07:21:16 PM »
She's a beauty !!   8)

Thanks for the pics of the setup.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2014, 09:52:00 PM »
I like it. I have been looking at the same thing the past week. I have a 6" Grizzly now and its a good machine. I just want an 8" to match the lumber I have sawn. That extra width helps with making wide boards for table tops, less glue up.bg

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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2014, 10:14:10 PM »
You are going to love it.

xlogger, thanks for the insight.  I refused the shipment, called Grizzly, and in 4 days, I had another one without any damage.  Grizzly customer service is very very good. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2014, 07:34:37 AM »
I like it. I have been looking at the same thing the past week. I have a 6" Grizzly now and its a good machine. I just want an 8" to match the lumber I have sawn. That extra width helps with making wide boards for table tops, less glue up.bg
Bill It seems like a well built machine. The spiral head is awesome. I jointed a 2 1/2" x 8" x6' piece of knotty walnut to clean the head and I am impressed with the quality of the cut. There was no tear out around the knots, the surface was dead flat and slightly shiny with no indication the cut was made by small cutters. Plus it is so quiet that it cannot be heard over my dust collector. The new ones since April have 15 amp motors, new electronics, and a flat belt that is quiet and easy to tension. It did come slightly out of adjustment ( I do not know yet if it is from the rough shipping or factory setup ) but it seems like any tool you buy anymore needs some tweaking. This is one of the first units out of their new larger factory and the quality seems great.

  Grizzly customer service is very very good. 
They have been in contact with me and are willing to help any way they can so I agree with you. There are not many companies out there that will stand by you with a shipping problem.
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2014, 01:12:10 PM »
Got the alignment as good as I could get it. The instructions say it takes a hour, but I spent 2. There 8 eccentric bushings that you turn to adjust the pivot shaft locations and each time you adjust one at least 3 others are affected. A little at a time I finally got everything tuned in within a couple of thousandths. I don't think there is any way to get it perfect with that many adjustments and tolerances involved. Ran a bunch of test pieces and they all came out flat and shiny.
 

 
Here is a pic of some spalted maple and it had no tear out or fuzziness on the soft areas or ripple from the cutters like my old jointer did. It is so nice to be able to flatten and square up boards up to 8 feet long. On the longer thinner boards you have to use light down pressure on the board to get them perfectly flat so I am thinking a power feeder could cause a problem with all the down pressure they use. The jointed pieces all seem to have a shiny finish with no visible ripple.
 

 
The jointer came with a couple of wrenches, 4 spare carbide inserts, 4 extra insert screws, several torx wrenches for the inserts, and 2 nice plastic push blocks. When I ordered it I did not imagine how big a difference the spiral head would make, and now it is a upgrade that I would recommend. Anyone have any pictures of larger homemade push blocks they have fabricated? 8) 8)
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2014, 01:54:46 PM »
 I copied the handle from another push block and made this one. Its about 12" long. I will make another larger one later. Handle is Sycamore and the other is pine. bg

 
 


  

  

  

 


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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2014, 01:56:40 PM »
Your jointer looks like it did a great job, thanks for the photos and set up. bg

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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2014, 02:18:08 PM »
The Grizzly is looking good.  Nice pushers Bill.   :)
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2014, 02:22:28 PM »
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On the longer thinner boards you have to use light down pressure on the board to get them perfectly flat so I am thinking a power feeder could cause a problem with all the down pressure they use.

Not following your reasoning here, but not a problem as long as you are ok with it.
Are you talking "light pressure" to not press the cup out of a board?

Enjoy that new jointer.  8)
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2014, 05:23:57 PM »
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On the longer thinner boards you have to use light down pressure on the board to get them perfectly flat so I am thinking a power feeder could cause a problem with all the down pressure they use.

Not following your reasoning here, but not a problem as long as you are ok with it.
Are you talking "light pressure" to not press the cup out of a board?

Enjoy that new jointer.  8)
That is what I am talking about beenthere. The bed is so long it is very easy to press the cup out of a 3/4" thick board and wind up with a board that is not flat. It takes light pressure and several passed to get the high spots off and I think it would be hard to get straight boards adding a stock feeder unless your wood dried perfectly flat .


Thanks Bill Gaiche for the pics. I hope you don't mind if I copy it. I have some old craftsman pushers that look like the one you used for a pattern I will copy the handle shape from from.  :)


One thing I found out is my fence does not repeatably return to 90 deg after angling it. I adjusted the stop, but it must be checked with a square and tweaked every time. I may have to do a little filing on the taper lock to get it to seat properly.
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2014, 08:17:48 PM »
I adjusted the stop, but it must be checked with a square and tweaked every time.

I always check it with the square anyway.  Only takes a minute and you know that it is perfect. 
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« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2014, 03:31:54 AM »
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On the longer thinner boards you have to use light down pressure on the board to get them perfectly flat so I am thinking a power feeder could cause a problem with all the down pressure they use.

Not following your reasoning here, but not a problem as long as you are ok with it.
Are you talking "light pressure" to not press the cup out of a board?

Enjoy that new jointer.  8)
That is what I am talking about beenthere. The bed is so long it is very easy to press the cup out of a 3/4" thick board and wind up with a board that is not flat. It takes light pressure and several passed to get the high spots off and I think it would be hard to get straight boards adding a stock feeder unless your wood dried perfectly flat .

I have noticed the same thing and try to just let the weight of the board hold it down when jointing the flat side. I have even been guilty of pushing too hard on edge jointing narrow, long stock.
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« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2014, 07:21:18 AM »
Are you talking "light pressure" to not press the cup out of a board?

Don't you mean bow instead of cup?
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« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2014, 07:28:22 AM »
Are you talking "light pressure" to not press the cup out of a board?

Don't you mean bow instead of cup?

I guess I really mean bow, cup, and twist if you want to wind up with a flat board. :)
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« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2014, 10:36:13 AM »
Are you talking "light pressure" to not press the cup out of a board?

Don't you mean bow instead of cup?

I meant cup. Hard to take bow out of a board that is of any length. Short boards/cuttings yes, but not long ones. And for much cup, better to rip through the cup and joint the narrower widths for later edge glue-up.
And hard to generalize as so many boards are different and need individual decisions made for best results.
I think if running rough stock over a jointer, that I would, in general, want the board pressed against the infeed and outfeed tables to press any bow out.
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« Reply #25 on: October 16, 2014, 10:40:04 AM »
Twist in jointer fences is a common ailment both on new and old machines.  Check with a square on each end but make sure the tables are co-planer first, at they are the reference.

Since a feeder is set up on the outfeed side it will do little to remove bow or twist.  It will take out any cup...might take a few passes.

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« Reply #26 on: October 16, 2014, 07:55:50 PM »
If you "press" the bow out, it will "spring" back.
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« Reply #27 on: October 16, 2014, 08:56:45 PM »
Agree with that.  The alternative is to joint the ends off the boards to get one face flat and a shorter board, so there is a choice to make here. ;)
Maybe cut the bowed board in the middle of its length and end up with two shorter boards without losing much thickness?
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2014, 07:30:14 AM »
Yes, I always cut my project boards cut to rough length before face jointing to keep the pieces being jointed as short as possible. 
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2014, 02:41:49 PM »
Today I was trying to make a perfectly flat fence board for my table saw. I started with a 1" x 6" x 5' piece of rough cut hard maple. I flattened 1 side with the jointer and after a couple of light passes it was just about perfectly flat and looked like it was polished. Then I planed it to 3/4" and when I checked it again it was bowed about 1/16" in the middle. So I jointed it again ,then planed it and finally wound up with a fairly flat 5/8" board. Air dried wood seems to have a lot of tension in it that machining brings out.

Larry I was talking about twist the boards. The one thing I found out quickly about a helical head is everything has to be set perfectly parallel to the cutter head. With my old knife jointer just the beds had to be set up parallel and then the knives were aligned to the out feed table. 
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« Reply #30 on: October 22, 2014, 12:05:48 PM »
I am not a fan of Grizzly , I would not buy any machinery from them.
 I've seen to many negetive issues with to many of them.
 I know guys who are happy with thier Grizzly machines and just as many who are not.
 My opinion of Grizzly is "You're rolling the dice when you purchase any machine from them.
 You might get a good one and you might not.
 I have a Grizzly 24 in double drum sander  , only because it was given to me and I have to tell you,  I'm not very impressed with it.   I use it for sanding cutting boards and small end grain up butcher blocks I build and that's about all.   It doesn't do a good job on cabinet doors , or other panels and parts.
 I have two Steel City machines , a 20" 3hp band saw and a 20" 5hp planer and I would not buy a Steel City machine again either.  They don't honer the warranty the boast about.  Found that out the hard way.
  I have been very happy with General, General International, Jet and Powermatic.   Thier products are well built and thier cutomer service is on point, on time, every time.   If I need better than that, I will spend the big money on a Martin Machine.
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« Reply #31 on: October 22, 2014, 02:10:17 PM »
Ouch!

I have a couple of Grizzley planers. Both required some touchup light machining with a grinder for proper function, but both have been durable and work well. The work that I had to do was probably less than 3 hours to fix both of them.

I have a Jet shaper that I pulled out a bloody hand from while setting it up from razor sharp edges that should have been deburred at the factory. Again, a good machine at a decent price, but don't expect it to be perfect right out of the box. Deburring with sandpaper and beveling sharp edges with an angle grinder are not a big deal. :-\

Solomon, I'm curious. I understand your dissatisfaction with Grizzley products. Could you share just what specifically you had problems with. I only know what I have seen myself on the machines I have used. :)
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« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2014, 02:17:36 PM »
Solomon, which of the General, General International, Jet and Powermatic tools do you have? Would like to see some pics of them. We like pics...  ;D
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« Reply #33 on: October 22, 2014, 03:33:24 PM »
I am extremely happy with the jointer I just bought. If it had not been for getting banged around by UPS I think it would have been perfect out of the crate. I feel the quality of the spherical head cut is amazing and the tables were all ground and deburred well. The customer service was above average ( they called me twice to see if I needed any support with shipping damage and sent me touchup paint for the couple of scratches without me even asking for it.) My machine was one of the first from a new factory and I am not sure if that made a difference with the quality. After my experience I would not think twice about ordering another machine from them because the results I am getting from their jointer will match the results of a machine costing twice as much. I feel Grizzly makes great affordable tools for a home shop, but then again I only buy ford trucks because after getting a lemon I know Chevy's are junk.
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« Reply #34 on: October 22, 2014, 06:37:39 PM »
Well I finished a new push block today. Made it from some scrap walnut, oak, soft brass, and heavy duty no slip liner.

 
 

 
 

 
 

 
It is 19" long with a no slip pad on the bottom and a adjustable soft brass pusher. I took your idea @Bill Gaiche and copied the plastic pusher for the handle shape and it is quite comfortable to use. Next I think I will build one that is about 4 feet long and has adjustable pads to just put pressure on the 2 ends of the board being flattened.
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« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2014, 08:07:44 PM »
Boy, that thing is worth about $300.00 in my book. Very nice. Hope the 490 jointer will go on sale in Nov. so I can get one. If not, I will buy one anyway. I will buy one that has the knives and when they dull I will install a Byrd head. Thanks for the reply and have a good day, bg


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