Could use some guidence on this one .
Elm??
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21454/thumb_1000017335.jpg)(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21454/thumb_1000017336.jpg)(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/21454/thumb_1000017337.jpg)
Thanks for your help.
RR
Need a much better pic to identify, as well as a sharp knife prepping the end grain. Can you help with that?
I have the pics in the gallery but havent figured out the way to post them better yet.
Will work on that tonight and thanks for the response.
see if this is better
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Make a clean cut across the end grain with a sharp knife or a sharp chisel. The look for the wavy lines between the annual rings.
Compare to the images in this link (https://www.wood-database.com/elm-wood-hard-and-soft/)
Thank you I will dothat first thing in the morning
no ones' pics will be as good as in that pic. you can get a foreign made microscope that uses your phone and get pretty good pic or sharply shaved end grain. not sure how much they are now (was cheap), but if you will have several of these questions over time, it might be a good investment. It almost looks like maple with some heart wood.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/51041/IMG_8098.jpeg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=353212)
Also a clean cut with a good saw blade and scanned on printer/scanner makes for a good pic. Here of a crosscut on piece of oak.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10180/Oak_end_grain_scanner.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=353214)
7/8" x 3-3/4"
Swampdonkey showed me this trick a few years back. This would show quickly if ash or maple. Phone image should work as well.
The scope Doc mentioned would be a better way, as well as a 10x hand lens.
This is some elm pictures.
board surface
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_WoodgrainID2.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=67567)
end grain
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11009/SD_Endgrain2.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=67574)
Thanks for all the advice, I will cut and take a good look today, maple is a possibilty, I never thought of that.
A scanner is my hand lens. I have more uses for a scanner day to day although a scope would be nice. This is the scanner zoomed in on some red oak end grain.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10017/ROscan.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=321317)
Don, how do you then get a digital pic to put on here? do you just scan it to the computer?? that looks good
Absolutely, a magnifier phone app is the handiest tool, plus you can add it to your photo album.
EDIT photos of my pants leg added:
Doc, it is just a thin slice on my flatbed office scanner, saved as a jpg and reduced/cropped, whatever it takes to get the detail/ size to work out for whatever I'm looking at.
I don't know how you all keep those phones intact. The pup ate my 10 year old little pocket camera... which I thought was pretty "hardened". My wife gave me her old smart phone for the camera. I proceeded to turn that into a brick within a month ffcheesy.
nice ideas and it may lend itself to increase quality and ability to ID wood. might make a good thread/tutorial on its own.
A scanner effectively zooms when taking high res images. Just crop out enough to see and not end up with a 20 meg photo. :thumbsup:
Didnt get the best magnified poic yet but does this help anyone for ID
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You're looking at a ring porous wood. It has very distinct medullary rays. Look at beenthere's pic again.
I think it looks a little like magic Mans jeans? :uhoh: ffsmiley
Looks like an oak wouldn't you say? :thumbsup: There's many species of oak, but they are separated into red or white oak. This looks like a red oak species.
Thanks for all the advice. I did think it looked like beentheres pic when I compared them.
I also have the magnifier app Magicman suggested.
I have worked up a dozen good sized red oak and just never came across a look like this.
red oak vs white oak, you can blow through the pores of most red oak. Not white oak.
Judging by the bark picture and your most excellent magnifier picture, I would lean heavily toward one of the Red Oaks.
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Quote from: Don P on March 27, 2024, 09:05:23 AMI don't know how you all keep those phones intact. The pup ate my 10 year old little pocket camera... which I thought was pretty "hardened". My wife gave me her old smart phone for the camera. I proceeded to turn that into a brick within a month
Don - I have a Kyocera Duraforce Pro II phone, have had two or three of them in a row now. Without a case it's mil spec waterproof, shock proof, and big enough that my fat thumbs don't have a hard time hitting three buttons at the same time. CAT makes a similar phone. Some say they aren't the fastest but for what I do it has never been an issue at all and the thing is tough as nails. The first two basically wore out over the years, the first test I had with the first one I was climbing out of a skidder and the phone fell into a mud puddle. Instead of saying some mighty bad words I just picked up the phone and walked over to a non muddy puddle to rinse it off. Now THAT was a good feeling.
Added a picture with the magnifier app
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A picture can not get much better than that and I see the open pores of Red Oak. The few not open are probably clogged with sawdust. You did good. :thumbsup:
Very nice. now if I just knew how to ID wood. :uhoh: :usa:
Yes, to red oak.
Yup to RO. The bark will help if you want to go finer than that.
This is another RO scan I had in my gallery;
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10017/RO.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=289518)
And white oak, see the vessels are plugged with tyloses... I have tighter scans if that is of interest. but I think you can see the difference. I knew from the bark it was a red but you don't always have bark.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10017/WO.jpg) (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=289517)
Hmm, I don't have an elm scan. There might be a stick or 2 in the barn.
So with this magnification, lemme splain something I've run into so often in old work had to look it up and read about it from multiple sources, because it goes against conventional "wisdom".
In relatively fast grown ring porous woods, which describes both of my samples. The proportion of earlywood, thin walled vessels is relatively low in proportion to the strong, solid, latewood cells. In slow growth, old growth, the proportion of weak vessels approaches 50%. A typical faster grown ring porous hardwood is stronger than an old growth tree. The lower density old growth is more dimensionally stable, wood shrinks not air, well, within this discussion. When people say old growth is better wood, it isn't that simple.
I found the little jag of American Elm, and the next bonfire starter. I saw some old growth red oak while in the shop, this was actually not too bad but I think you can see the trend that as those types of wood get more rings per inch, the proportion of latewood is lower, the density and strength goes down.
This guide shows elm's ulmiform pore structure, the wavy gravy in the latewood really well
https://extension.msstate.edu/sites/default/files/publications/publications/p2606.pdf
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A ID key here;
https://woodidentification.net/identification-key/