Im getting a sawmill at the beginning of the year. ive asked the tree guys i grind stumps for to save me trees they don't want. Well i got the call for 47 trees. Now I'm thinking what do i do now, wasnt prepared for that much. i got my 1 ton with 15ft trailer. 38mins one way. Not sure how big they are, he said the biggest is 24in in diameter. Id hate to turn it down, that's a lot of money
Any advice?
What kind of mill are you getting? I'm close by you.
dirthawger,
Congrats on the mill. Not sure what type you are getting. A 24" log would not be huge but would be a nice find/fit for my mill. Hope it works well for you too. Where are you storing the logs? If portable just center stack several piles and saw each pile in turn if you have the space. May want to separate by species and saw the more time sensitive and/or high value logs first. Some wood like locust, white oak and walnut will last a lot longer than others like pine or soft maple or such.
Also that would let you experiment on low value wood till you have saw into the side supports and left the end roller up a few times and maybe even forget and leave the side supports down and roll one or two off the mill. Basically just paying your dues and passing the learning curve. Of course you won't want to do any of those mistakes until you have a big crowd watching. :D
Doesn't sound like it's all or nothing to me and I'm betting timeline is flexible unless being removed from a jobsite. You may be saving them a chunk of $.
First step is to sort the wheat from the chaff. Just move the good* ones. Then grab a load anytime you are over that way.
*Good is subjective... :)
I was gonna probably start with a lt15 portable just to make sure ill get work for it then probably upgrade to the lt35. You have a proposition or advice to tackle this job? I don't want to short myself but i almost think I've put my foot in my mouth asking for something and then not being able to deliver. I mean it might well be worth hauling them all home, just didn't know if itd be worth it.
Yea im not sure what the timeline is. Its for a homeowner so not terribly time sensitive i don't think. Its just the thought of hauling that many logs is a little intemidating but the thought of turning down that much wood makes my stomach turn. My plan was to just stack them on my property and cover with a tarp until ive purchased the mill.
don't cover with tarp. You won't have too long to mill them being in the deep south, insects and fungus move in quickly. I can't comment on the sawmill but it really matters what type of trees. Are these pines? Sweetgum? etc. Some you'd like, the sweetgums can be very tough.
How are you going to manipulate the logs, manual mill for 47 logs sounds like a big deal without the workflow, slabs, place to stack, etc. Maybe see if a FF member is close by and strike a deal with them (someone with hydraulics ;D )
Like nativewolf says, find out what they have hardwood / softwood and how good the logs generally are (grade wise), and learn what will decay fastest. Take pictures and ask the forum if your not sure. Talk to a logger and see if it would be worth more to take some right to a commercial mill, and only keep some for yourself.
Quote: "I'd hate to turn it down, that's a lot of money." Log handling and saw milling is HARD work. Sometimes "free" is expensive. Remember, its not money until a buyer PAYS you for what you have. (Lumber, logs, etc.) My two pennies. Good luck!
Just me but I️ would go for it.
That's only 5 trips with ten logs or ten trips with five logs.
When opportunity knocks, answer the door!
Free logs is how you pay for an experimental mill.
What would the tree service guy charge to move them? One trip for him and one or two more with your rig...
Probably not a lot of log trucks in your area, but a dump truck can move a lot of logs as long as it can be loaded on site.
Congratulations on the mill. Free trees and logs always sound better over the phone. I would do a scouting trip, hook up the trailer and had over there with the intention of getting to know the tree guy and getting to know the trees he cuts. Odds are many of the trees aren't worth hauling. However, I'd get the good ones, anyway.
If you develop a good business relationship with the guy, then the odds are good you can pay him some cash and the next time he is cutting somewhere between you and him, he can arrange to bring the logs in his truck, probably a dumper, straight to you. He will also know what kind of logs you want. I've done that many times.
Also, if you can upgrade, get a 14,000 lb dump trailer, or as big as possible to keep you undef CDL limits, 26,000 lbs. I used to get call from tree guys and would park my trailer at their job site and unhook it and go to work. After work, I'd swing back by, it would be full of logs, I'd hook it up and drive home. Minimal time wasted.
My entire Cabin Addition (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,47709.0.html) project was done with free logs, most of which were already felled and bucked. (I only had to fell two trees.)
When I am offered free logs and do not need the lumber myself, I call a couple of future customers and see if they need them. They get the logs/lumber and I still get to do the sawing and get paid.
Quote from: dirthawger on December 04, 2017, 08:50:15 PM
38mins one way. Not sure how big they are, he said the biggest is 24in in diameter. Id hate to turn it down, that's a lot of money
Any advice?
Here's my advice: 38 minutes is a pretty short drive. Go look at them. Just one look may answer all your questions. The logs could be something quite valuable, or they could be a rotted knarly mess. I will say this much for sure - 45 logs is a lot of milling, especially when you are learning, and even more so if you are occupied with a full-time job.
quote "Well I got the call for 47 trees." How many LOGS are there in 47 TREES?
Quote from: Resonator on December 05, 2017, 01:26:31 PM
quote "Well I got the call for 47 trees." How many LOGS are there in 47 TREES?
Now, that is a good question! My neighbor up at my cabin site had 5 trees taken down and asked if I wanted them:
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Turns out it was twenty-two 12 to 13' logs from 14 to 28" diameter. I loaded my flat bed trailer with my SkyTrak and rolled them off on my property. It took me all day to move them about 1,000'. I could only load 2 at a time (of the big guys) because my 2WD truck had trouble climbing a moon dust hill out of his yard. He will have 3 more taken down and will have them bucked to a more suitable length (28' or so).
Go look at the logs. If they are worth your time, call a self loading log truck and pay him to pick them up and drop them off at your site. Way less time and effort, for not a whole lot of money.
For about a year I took just about every free log I could get. All pine and hemlock. Here is a pic of the resulthttp://www.forestryforum.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pid=237413#top_display_media
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Nice job,
How many logs in 47 trees? I would normally think at least 3 logs per tree but since these are yard trees some may only provide 2. Just a SWAG but I'd estimate between 100-150 log 10" and up assuming 8-12 foot long logs for the most part.
Do you get to buck them or did the tree services already do that? Bucking is very important and a few inches on a log makes a big difference in the lumber. Typically if a lot of sweep the log gets cut in the center of the curve. I make live edge benches and I want the curve in the bench so I do the opposite especially if there is a lot of sweep/curve.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 10, 2017, 09:29:28 AM
Do you get to buck them or did the tree services already do that? [b]Bucking is very important and a few inches on a log makes a big difference in the lumber. [/b]Typically if a lot of sweep the log gets cut in the center of the curve. I make live edge benches and I want the curve in the bench so I do the opposite especially if there is a lot of sweep/curve.
Soooooo true.....had a guy bring me 29 cedar logs 16'.....I told him I wouldn't cut 16 and would make 8's. He had nothing for using requiring more than 8' so he was agreeable......problem was....not a single log on the truck was a full 16'. ranged from 13'9" to 15'8". I got the most out of it as I saw possible, but it resulted in some waste I would have liked to avoid.
My point is that's A LOT of logs for a new sawyer to tackle. If he wants to get them he should get ones that will be of some value, (logs or lumber), and won't be rotten by the time he gets to the bottom of the pile. If he's cutting just as a fun hobby great. If he's sawing to make money at it, he should run the numbers first. My two pennies.
One issue may be that if he does not get the logs the tree service people may be upset if they have to go back and remove them. I would be. If so , they may cut him off from future logs. Sounds like a learning curve between the sawyer and the tree service as to what to leave and what to remove. He may have to take some now he can't use to be able to get good ones he wants in the future.
If you have the room, Have them drop them off, Cut them the right length, like 8'6", 10'6",
and on and on. Pile, and cut later.
Well I've got my first 2 loads and the drive isnt bad at all. I'd say 90% of the logs are real nice and straight, some have knots but there still good. The ones I dont want I'm just pushing them into the trash pile. Got 22 logs home so far, hopefully I'll get the rest. He's bidding another job of 50 trees with a mix of hardwood and pines so I think I got more wood then I can handle, haha. I have done a lot of research and have made my mind up on the Norwood LM29. Just can't figure out if I want the one that has wheels or the stationary one. Can the stationary one still be erected on a jobsite with ease? I'll probably go with the portable one but they want an extra $2000 for a Trailer/Support Leg Package so not sure if that's necessary but it probably is.
Quote from: dirthawger on December 10, 2017, 07:57:50 PM
I'll probably go with the portable one but they want an extra $2000 for a Trailer/Support Leg Package so not sure if that's necessary but it probably is.
It depends on how stout the non-portable frame is. You could make an axle dolly that pins onto the frame along with a tongue that bolts or pins on to the front. If you can weld or have a good friend that can do it for you, probably less than $500 to outfit it. If you had to make an entire subframe, maybe $1,000.
Nah I dont know anyone that can weld...I'm gonna just get it, were talking an extra $50-100 a month and I know 100% that ill regret it if I don't. If I bought a big hydraulic sawmill....woodmizer would be my choice but I just like Norwood's design for the smaller sawmills. Not sure what's up with the hand crank business on the LT15, looks like a PITA.
Good to hear dirthawger that your sorting the keepers from the Leaverite. (Leave-her-right where you found it.)
Quote from: Resonator on December 10, 2017, 09:31:07 PM
Good to hear dirthawger that your sorting the keepers from the Leaverite. (Leave-her-right where you found it.)
:D
Instead of spending $2k on a trailer or kit, I'd pay $2700 to jump to the LM36 and use your existing trailer to move it when you need to. Add on later if it makes sense.
The LM36 can be about full blown hydraulic with factory add on equipment in the future. LM29, not so much.
Ive thought about that but id need my tractor on the jobsite. Can't think of a way to tackle it as i only have 1 trailer. I could load it but then when i get to the jobsite i have no way of unloading it and i can't think of an instance where i wouldnt need my tractor.
A couple rollers, come alongs, hydraulic jacks, and blocks will move the world. ;)
I moved my 8k Lb moulder that way. Shipping weight on a LM36 is only 1400 Lbs.
Sounds like a great score on the logs.
As for the mill....If you already have the trailer you can mount your winch on the tongue and pull the mill on, to get it off run your winch cable through a snatch block at the rear of the trailer and hook onto the mill at the front of the trailer and hit "GO", that or tie it to something and drive out from under it. ;D Depending on the mill you decide on, you may want to beef up the tracks a little.
Keep in mind that at 38 minutes per trip each way you need to have something in or on that truck every last trip or you are just working for free, but I think it's safe to say that if making one extra trip to have a tractor on site was possible I'd sure as anything be making that trip.
Take a look at the EZ Boardwalk Jr mill. It's very comparable to the LM29 and made of solid iron. I have one and really like it.
Thanks for the advice. Got 1-2 more loads and ill be done but he just called today with another job in joaquin,tx which is an 1hr 15mins from me for 50 trees, said there's like 20,000 bf. Anyone know of any sawmills near joaquin, tx?
I had financing approval and money for the down payment. Well that same day my 1 tons altenator and batteries decided to quit on me. Need to wait a couple weeks now but i don't want those logs to rot. Will they be ok a few weeks or do i need to find a way to get it shipped?
DH,
I don't know of any species of log that will rot in 2 weeks. You should be good as long as they aren't in the way and get removed by the owner/tree service before then.
Ok thanks, not worried about the owner moving the logs, i got that job completed, so there all over my property....i do mean all over, haha. If nothing else I've given the neighbors something to talk about. They slow roll passed my house like what n the h3ll. But i did find a sawmill for that next job. Dunno if they'll take them they seem pretty picky but i cant think of any straighter pines then these. Of course i haven't seen them but he started yesterday and he said hes getting 3 ligs 16' 6" before he reaches branches but the last log is 6" in diameter on the short end so that might be an issue. Sure would be nice though, could pay that sawmill off with this job if it goes good. Plus the $7-10k worth of logs he gave me but i gotta sell the lumber first. So far so good, my company name is Campbells Stump Grinding and Equipment Services, i think i need a make change. There used to be a restaurant called Stump Water Inn and I've always liked that name. Wonder if i could change mine to Stump Water Sawmill and Stump Grinding
DH,
There are some good old threads here about naming conventions when setting up a company. I'd go back and read them before you make the final decision. If like here you will need to register your company and get a license. I don't know if you can just change your existing name or pretty much have to start over. Your company name needs to be catchy and descriptive. You want people to notice you but also tell them what you offer. Good luck.
Why not call it StumpWorks, Inc??? That way you're not limited to sawmilling and stump removal...
Herb
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IMHO not descriptive enough for most customer to recognize it as a sawmill.
Maybe something like Stumpworks Sawmilling and Stump Grinding, Stumpworks Sawmill Services and Stump Grinding, Stump Grinding and Sawmill Services, etc.
Make a list and show them to several friends and see what they think and what they tell you the name tells them.
Remember whatever you decide on will need to (Should?) fit on one line on your business cards and any stationary, invoices, etc
Thanks for the ideas. It was actually stump water but i didn't realize stump water is a nasty smelling substance, haha. I was curious how do i find how much logs go for?
Ran into a problem at this next job. I haven't been there yet but ill start hauling tomorrow, i think. The tree guy bid 50 pines for $5000. The land owner apparently got a sawmill out there and was going to pay the land owner $2000 for the trees but they said they weren't going to do it because there's a lot of powerlines so they declined and no loggers in the area wanted to mess with 50 pines. Well the land owner told the tree guy that someone underbid him and he ended up doing it for $2700. So he wrapped it up today but said the guy shorted him $500 because there were 6 pines that he said he couldn't get down because he wouldve had to cut down a few oaks or they'd fall into the highway. Now the tree guy said im free to do with them what i want. It was a pretty long drive to haul them to my house so i found a sawmill that said i coukd bring them by and if they like them i can haul them all there.
Now im not really sure what to do. Theres no sawmills or loggers that will come get them. He wanted them cut down either way but he was gonna try and get money for them. I told the tree guy that if i was able to sell them for a good price then id give him enough to cover his lose, so about $2500. The tree guy told me not to mention bringing them to a sawmill because he said hes a rich man that wants to screw everyone and hed probably not let me haul them off and dump them into the lake that the property is on. He was also asking what i was planning on doing with them. So you see the potential issues i could have tomorrow.
The man wanted these trees cut down. When he saw that no loggers would do it he hired this guy to cut them and the tree guy wanted me to haul them off for my own personal use. Now do i have an obligation to inform the property owner what i plan on doing? Or is this an instance where i just say im building a log cabin shop, which isn't entirely false since i built one last year and plan on building a better one with some of these trees. Or do i try and let him bring up selling to the sawmill and give him a cut? Very confused on what to do need some good advice.
I'd let them lay there, and move on.
Kinda sounds like a mess that I would not want to be associated with.
I recommend to not get involved as a third party in a two party deal that has gone sideways.
Ditto my thoughts. If in dispute don't get involved. You have your reputation to protect and there is already bad blood from the way I understand your telling. smiley_horserider
I second the moving on advice. If I touched them at all based on the info you have given us, the terms would be in writing.
Well i went over there just to see what the deal is, no harm in looking. There's always 2 sides of a story. I showed up and was trying to get a feel for him and the man was actually a really nice guy. He was mad because the tree guy didn't cut down near what he was supposed to. After seeing what he originally was wanting and paid for....yea i can see why he would be mad. I mean there looked to be 20 some odd trees he didn't cut down. And today was a day of heavy learning about selling to sawmills and grading logs. I decided to take a test load to a sawmill wanting saw logs. The lady was very rude and wasnt going to take them but i was able to charm her enough to take them and she paid $38 a ton and we made $114 on 3 logs. So i we decided to find other places incase she wouldnt take them. Found a pulpwood yard and they were about the nicest people I've meet. Really showed me what to look for and hit off with the owner prettt good, and he said he needs guys like me and my bro in law that will take small tracts cause lots of people come in there wanting their 3-5 acres logged but it's not economical for them to do it. So he took my info and said he will send them our way. Would love to just sell all the logs to them but they only paid $22 a ton which im sure is great for pulp but i might try and wear a better pair of overalls and try and get that lady to take them. They also had a bunch of beautiful cedar logs. His eyes lit up when i told him id buy them. Sold them to me for $22 a ton.
Now, having said all this, when i got home the tree guy called to see how it went. Well, it appears my tree guy has gotten a little greedy because at the start of this he told me i can just have the logs. So i thought id try and sweeten the deal for him in an attempt to keep the work coming in. I know nothing about pricing logs or logging in general but i knew he said he had to underbid $2000 to get the job so i told him.
IF i get $10k id definitly give him $2000+, you know just trying to keep his work. Thats with me loading all the logs and hauling with my equipment. I've learned quite a bit since then and there's no way i can get $10k. Me and my bro in law can make a little but not no $10k. Definitely not enough to divy it out 3 ways and me make a profit especially with all my expenses. I figured hed understand and just go back to the original deal and no harm no foul, i was most certainly wrong. He told me as long as he can get a little money for his pocket hed be happy. I tested the waters and asked him just what exactly do you mean alittle money because there's only going to be a little money to be made. So I gave him a hypotheatical scenario that if i were to make $5000 which will not happen but if it did, how much do you want? He told me hed be happy with $2000-2500 to cover his losses. So this man that was complaining about the land owner being greedy now pretty much wants %50 of what i make. Thats after hes already made $2000 just cutting the trees down, not to mention me and my partner are having to cut the logs up because he didn't cut them all the way through. I have all the risk with equipment break downs, we had to do all the leg work to learn how to even sell these things, and all the expenses and he wants 50%.
I know this is long but bear with me im still going somewhere with all this. So the so called greedy land owner said i could cut down and have all the trees he didn't which will be easy with my tractor, not to mention the big oaks too, and he is giving me some a very nice cedar log, giving me the stump grinding work and not to mention he got on his personal tractor to give me and my partner a hand. And his other buddy that lives next to him wants us to cut his land with twice as much wood, plus stumps.
So it sounds like the tree guy is the one doing all the screwing. So im at another crossroads. My gut tells me to ask the land owner if hed mind me trying to sell the logs to a mill because its not economical for me to haul them to my house that's 1 hour away. Which i have a strong feeling he wont care hes just mad because he didn't get what was agreed upon. And just cut my business ties with that tree guy because I've seen that i can get the work as well. Heck we got 2 extra big jobs just by being respectful and nice and maybe even a ton more from the timber company.
Sorry for the long post but im a new business owner and this is a complicated situation to me. But i see my opportunity to break into a niche I've been looking for and not sure what the best thing to do. By the way got my sawmill on the way and if i had that rig with me now this would probably all be a non issue cause hed most likely hire me to mill it up.
Sounds like you got a new business! But, I didn't hear anything about insurance. I'd be concerned about cutting down trees as a business without something in place! And as soon as you have your mill, then you will really clean up!
I am having a hard time following this, but apparently the land owner was paying your man to cut trees, but the deal went sour. here you come and are going to finish cutting them, is he paying you to take them down, or are you doing them for the logs? If he is not paying you, why would he care if you sold the logs or not?
His neighbor that also wants his cut, are we talking a paying job, or is this a clear this for me for the logs type of deal, or does he want paid. I am pretty sure the people the pulp buyer wants to send your way will want some compensation for their logs,if so you better sharpen your pencil to log and haul for 22 bucks a ton.
No hes not paying me per se to cut the rest down but these are really good pines and some are pretty tall oaks and i was just gonna sell them to mill. Details on the neighbor aren't 100% yet we haven't discussed it but i plan on selling to the mill or i might have my mill by then. As far as cutting them down, i don't really know how that works. I dunno if i should try and charge to cut them down or if i should cut them down for "free" but just sell to the mill. And the customers that come from the pulp buyer, he told me depending on how big the tract you may charge them to cut them down or you may pay them but dealing with pulp you couldn't pay them much more than $2 or 3 a ton or you won't make anything.
But my niche im brainstorming up right now is being able to offer to harvest your timber, mill on site or sell to another mill and grind stumps. Dunno if that's considered a niche but sounds good on paper.
If you mill the logs then you must have a use or a market for the lumber. The "food chain" has to be complete or you could be stuck with a whack of lumber.
quote: "And today was a day of heavy learning about selling to sawmills and grading logs." There's a lot of good threads on the forum here to read up on to help ("A Day Cutting Wood" would be a good one to start with). The more you know going in, the better off you'll be. Good to hear your getting established, the hardest part is getting started. (I'm new to this too!) Pain and money are good teachers, with lessons we don't soon forget.
1. If you can profitably remove them free, go for it. Sounds like there will be plenty of nearby jobs. If you get to many or find it unprofitable, start charging. Dozer operators in my area get about $300 an acre to push timber and windrow.
2. As for what to tell the landowner, just say you'll do the job for free or $X, but you keep the wood. No need to say more.
3. Your best customer can become your best competition. Your tree guy sniffed $ and is testing to see what he can get. All part of the dance. ;)
Well we did alot of thinking this weekend about how uncomfortable we were the whole time we were at the job so we asked ourselves, is this really how we wanna start a business by being deceitful? I mean we already racked up some possible work in the future so lets just be honest with the guy. Wouldn't you know it he thought itd be a great idea to sell to a sawmill, agreed to pay $500 to cut rest of the trees and grind stumps and he just so happens to be retired from the forestry industry and said he can put the word out for us about milling lumber and said you'll be busy year round. It sure pays to be honest. So i hate to tell that tree guy but there won't be any payout for that ole boy. Apparently he just walked off the job without even telling the man he quit. Just need to change my business name now, haha.
Good, it worked out. But, It did look like a mess of trouble from the start.
Glad to hear. On the name, I'd keep Campbells. Starts earlier in the alphabet which is good for being first in listings like search results. Also has good recognition. Maybe Campbells Stump and Saw? Campbells Saw? Campbells S something like the famous soup. Good luck.
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on December 17, 2017, 07:52:58 AM
Glad to hear. On the name, I'd keep Campbells. Starts earlier in the alphabet which is good for being first in listings like search results. Also has good recognition. Maybe Campbells Stump and Saw? Campbells Saw? Campbells S something like the famous soup. Good luck.
Worked for one of the more prominent lawyers in our area...one of my guys asked what he credited his success....The response was,"My name starts with A."
Always got a chuckle from that cause I always tend to make things more complicated and difficult than they need to be.
I started out doing something similar, I eventually had a dump trailer and crane to go make removal easier. I got a lot of trees that way. I say trees, because once I started getting better equipment, the "free" job customers started getting more demanding. When it was me with a simple truck and flatbed, they were happy to help me load the logs. When it was me with a crane, they started asking if I could move the tops and brush to the curb, after all, they were "giving me the trees" so they expected a little payback. When I started bringing a loader, they started asking me to remove the stumps and push the brush into a pile or into the woods. I finally quit when I removed a huge pecan log out of a guys front yard, (for free) and in the rain (it wasn't raining when I started) and he complained that my tires had left a couple ruts in his yard. The very next day, I had a call from a guy to remove a fallen tree from his yard, easy pickings. When I got there, I saw that the tree had fallen across his fence line and had landed in his neighbors swimming pool! Turned out he was just trying to short the insurance company. I drove away at the end of my rope, and the next day put my equipment up for sale on CL. Within a week I had sold my whole rig to another guy who said he had a new sawmill, and was going to use the equipment to chase yard logs....
Yes, YH, It's best to call for a load del. :D :D
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I'm just starting out too and am unsure how many logs I need and if it will be for mostly personal use or if I'll be selling lumber and sawing for others as well (hopefully). I have friends with a large cattle operation and a lot of oaks have been dying in their pastures the last couple years. I thought it was a great deal that I could go out there the take all the recently dead trees down and haul away the logs for free. I started in the first pasture and took out about 25 trees. It was enjoyable work in beautiful fall weather but it took more time than I thought it would. Then I had to clean up and pile the brush. That was just awful. No fun at all and slow going. I think I had just as much or more time doing that than I had in taking down the trees. I started thinking maybe this wasn't such a good deal after all.
Since then I've come across a few other loads of logs. Some (basswood) I was given for free and others (large load of large oak logs) I got for around .20/foot. I'm finding out that so far in this circumstance I'm way ahead buying logs than doing the work of cutting them down for free. It took me a few hours and $400 to load and haul those oak logs and I got over half as much as I got from those 25 "free" trees I took down, which I probably had 40 hours into. I'll be telling my friend I'm no longer interested in cutting his second pasture.
But then again I'm not all that well equipped do to work like that and it sounds like maybe you are. Also, there is no market for logs around here. The only "commercial" mill I know of is 90 miles away. There's no logging so what's available is usually yard trees or when someone takes out a grove to expand their field. They're generally piled up and burned. I think I'll try and get in good with a few of the excavators.
Alan
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 17, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
Yes, YH, It's best to call for a load del. :D :D
Thats what we tell people, we are a sawmill, not a logging service. We pay for logs delivered to our yard.
Quote from: YellowHammer on December 18, 2017, 01:55:57 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on December 17, 2017, 08:53:13 AM
Yes, YH, It's best to call for a load del. :D :D
Thats what we tell people, we are a sawmill, not a logging service. We pay for logs delivered to our yard.
I pay for the logs then go getem
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But I sure wish I could get the logs that Peter gets
Goose, how are you tieing those logs down, and does the DOT hassle you hauling them like that?
I guess I should ask if they hassle you more than normal?
starmac no hassel atall the logers over by Motly Minn. haul that way all the time.
Thats where I get ny logs
Dang Peter I wish I could get logs that nice looking. I saw mostly hemlock if I can get a handful of 16"-18" diameter in a triaxle load I feel lucky.
goose63, that is a nice load you have., Is that hard wood?
PAmizerman, We have a lot of Hemlock in NH.
Some loads are small logs with a 10" to 16" top.
The best I like is a 24" top 8' to 24' some 26'
Hemlock
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Yes Peter white oak
So... what mill did you get?