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« on: November 29, 2021, 06:52:00 AM »
I have found that batteries now days don't give much warning when they are going bad. When they do give you some warning you better get them changed. Went out the other morning and got on the forklift. Moved a pack of  lumber and shut it off. Went to crank it again and battery was dead in less than 5 minuets. A couple of months ago I drove my truck home, with diesel engine and two batteries. I parked in my normal spot and went in the house. I come out the next morning and the batteries were so dead the didn't have enough juice to unlock the doors. Nether time did they drag, crank slow or give any warning.
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Re: Batteries.
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2021, 07:09:00 AM »
With the extreme demand on electrical components on new vehicles and equipment its no wonder they die so quickly. I have noticed the same thing.

I worked for a solenoid / valve company for quite a while and the company kept insisting on making everything electric. That's great, no more hydraulic oils and parasitic loss. However! now you still have the same charging system trying to run a bunch more electrical components. I kept saying if they really wanted to be innovative and get a jump on things they should be developing better charging technologies. 

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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2021, 07:21:39 AM »
Same thing in my 2007 Gmc 
I have put so many batteries in that thing.
All the auto tecs say it's got some low battery sensor that saves the computer.
The only thing that fixes it is a fresh one.
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Re: Batteries.
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2021, 08:25:04 AM »
Im on borrowed time now with 2 of my machine batteries.
Our climate gets pretty severe in the winter, but perhaps the Georgia heat is just as bad as NY cold.
My 2007 Kubota 8540 battery is now 14-1/2 yrs old and still going.
My Kubota RTV900 is 9 yrs old.
Just lucky I guess.
I did have to replace the one in my 2014 GMC a couple of yeas ago but my 2014 Camry still has original.
Truck battery did give a reasonable warning.
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« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2021, 08:38:05 AM »
My 2007 Kubota 8540 battery is now 14-1/2 yrs old and still going.
My Kubota RTV900 is 9 yrs old.
Just lucky I guess.
I replaced the OEM battery in my 2007 Kubota 4240 this past summer 14 years is not bad.  The 2014 RTV500 is still the original!  I asked the dealer about getting a similar unit, he commented he'd heard that many times.

2007 GMC Duramax has an appetite for new batteries but there is something that is intermittently drawing on them to kill them I believe.

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« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2021, 09:09:02 AM »
My 2007 Kubota 8540 battery is now 14-1/2 yrs old and still going.
My Kubota RTV900 is 9 yrs old.
Just lucky I guess.
I replaced the OEM battery in my 2007 Kubota 4240 this past summer 14 years is not bad.  The 2014 RTV500 is still the original!  I asked the dealer about getting a similar unit, he commented he'd heard that many times.

2007 GMC Duramax has an appetite for new batteries but there is something that is intermittently drawing on them to kill them I believe.
My son also owned a 2007 Duramax until about 2 months ago. It would kill batteries for about the past 3 years. His boss owns a dealership and the truck spent about a week at a time hooked to a computer to determine the draw. Never could find it. It became so bad you couldn't rely on it. Bought a 2019 Durmax. Maybe now just on to newer problems.
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« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2021, 09:09:02 AM »
Since Hillary closed the last lead smelter in this country, battery life and costs have suffered.  Harbor Freight has a handy battery/air compressor pack that has saved me twice.

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Re: Batteries.
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2021, 09:43:41 AM »
I keep a couple extra batteries in the shed for just this reason.  When they die, they die, and if they run down slowly, they wonít hold a charge again anyway, especially if the weather is cold.  At the first hint of weakness, I drive to the shed and swap them out with a spare.   
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2021, 10:21:03 AM »
I keep maintainers on things that sit over winter, especially the big equipment that has a pair of $200 each batteries.
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« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2021, 10:38:09 AM »
Batteries are a big problem for me. My wife rides a heavy duty wheelchair all day every day. Wheelchairs are 24 volt, use 2 12 volt lead acid batteries in series. When I started replacing batteries every 3 months, I started looking at different suppliers. Chinese batteries are the worst. No such thing as US made any more. Best ones so far are made in Vietnam, but even those leave a lot to be desired. I bought a new 2004 dodge diesel truck. 2 Exide US made batteries. They lasted 16 years.
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« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2021, 10:58:34 AM »
I use Deka batteries in the mill. They are US made. Every sixth November I put a new one in. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2021, 11:40:03 AM »
Deka are excellent. Any battery will enjoy a longer service life if the acid level is maintained and a brief hot charge applied to boil off the sulfides.  
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« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2021, 02:50:15 PM »
I had poor luck with deka, I don't know why it only laster a year but it did and they wouldn't warranty it.

The last few batteries I have gotten have been interstate. I have been very happy with them. 

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« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2021, 08:58:26 PM »
But Interstate does not manufacture batteries. 

The are three major battery manufacturers in the US.  Johnson Controls manufactures over half of the batteries in the US.  The other two manufacturers are Exide and East Penn. 
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« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2021, 09:55:47 PM »
There is a local shop in Petersburg called "Battery Barn", basically they sell 12V batteries and repair starters and alternators.  Absolutely excellent folks.  My wife picked up a new battery for new to me Lull that I picked up recently and I took a look at it this evening.  No brand name on it but made in Columbia of all places.  Looks to be the same one I have bought from them multiple times and I do get good life out of them with great prices.  
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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2021, 10:54:29 PM »
  I think you guys are about to HooDoo me again. My 7+ y/o old battery on my mill is acting like it is struggling now. Jim Rodgers got to talking about oil filters on 25 hp Kohler engines and the next week I nearly twisted mine in two getting it off. If my battery dies next week I'm blaming Jake! :D
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2021, 11:25:29 PM »
Well, all I know is my eyes roll really hard, like teenage daughter hard, when I hear YH talking about the weather getting cold😂
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2021, 11:41:38 PM »
Oh thats a serious eye roll.

Or lynn toting his winters worth of firewood in 2 arms.   ;D
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« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2021, 12:35:52 AM »
That's not accurate, it's an almost full wheelbarrow.  :D
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« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2021, 05:23:06 AM »
 I think you guys are about to HooDoo me again. My 7+ y/o old battery on my mill is acting like it is struggling now. Jim Rodgers got to talking about oil filters on 25 hp Kohler engines and the next week I nearly twisted mine in two getting it off. If my battery dies next week I'm blaming Jake! :D


You will have to take a number and get in a very long line if you are going to blame me for anything.
I just remember that a battery would start to drag for a few starts or a bunch before they would die. Now they don't seem to give much notice. One minute they work and the next they don't. 
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2021, 06:58:22 AM »
Typically the old 6 volt batteries would give you a warning but no so with 12 volt batteries.  You sometime get one warning and if you are not paying attention, your second chance is "dead in the water".  :-X

I guess that referring to 6 volt batteries is seriously dating "my" battery.  ::)
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2021, 07:32:38 AM »
Well, all I know is my eyes roll really hard, like teenage daughter hard, when I hear YH talking about the weather getting cold😂
It's painfully cold at 44į this morning, I think I'll stay inside and watch Swamp Loggers, until this cold snap goes away.
  
Even my truck doesn't like the cold, it threw a glow plug error code yesterday, probably the first time its been on since last year.  I had to use the steering wheel heater yesterday!

Brrrrrr  
 
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2021, 07:56:21 AM »
Well, all I know is my eyes roll really hard, like teenage daughter hard, when I hear YH talking about the weather getting cold😂
It's painfully cold at 44į this morning, I think I'll stay inside and watch Swamp Loggers, until this cold snap goes away.
  
Even my truck doesn't like the cold, it threw a glow plug error code yesterday, probably the first time its been on since last year.  I had to use the steering wheel heater yesterday!

Brrrrrr  
 
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« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2021, 08:20:09 AM »
Many many a battery was killed by a starter with a carbon'd up commutator. Any streaks across the piano keys is fouling the magnetic field.  Electro-magnetically speaking here, the donkey is getting a nibble of the carrot on the stick so he doesnt strain so hard to get to the carrot. 

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« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2021, 08:27:29 AM »
But Interstate does not manufacture batteries.  

The are three major battery manufacturers in the US.  Johnson Controls manufactures over half of the batteries in the US.  The other two manufacturers are Exide and East Penn.
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As for no warnings-thats a matter of how the batteries used such as vibration factors and other environment questions. Having certain batteries on a proper tender helps too. 
My old Kioti tractor had an Interstate that lasted a tad over 10 years. My Branson has an OE installed Interstate as well-I'll be happy with the typical 5-7 yrs a battery gives. My F-150 PU truck, delivered as a new order in March 2015 got a new Walmart battery this year and thats pretty typical. They are the cheapest battery I know of for common batteries. AP's box stores sell off older shelf stock batteries at mark downs and a good value if you can find one in this crazy marketplace? 
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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2021, 08:31:47 AM »
Typically the old 6 volt batteries would give you a warning but no so with 12 volt batteries.  You sometime get one warning and if you are not paying attention, your second chance is "dead in the water".  :-X

I guess that referring to 6 volt batteries is seriously dating "my" battery.  ::)
Actually my 2015 F-150 gave me warnings. It sits much of the time in retirement and thus it's battery lingers between charging while driving cycles. It got to a place where it would crank the 5.0 V-8 slower than normal but still start. Then it got to a point where I had a few no starts if it hadn't been driven in a few days, then it died! and I bought another one-free installation at wally while shopping. Chipmunks eat my cold weather pkg battery blanket so I place poison pellets on the engine for their dining pleasure. ;D
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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2021, 08:33:13 AM »
I had a Kioti tractor I bought new in 2005 that came with an Interstate Battery. Just sold the tractor this spring and it still had the original battery in it. This was not a tractor that was stored in a heated garage either. It was outdoors year round in temps as low as -25 F.

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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2021, 08:45:17 AM »
For machinery and big trucks i use the cheapest group 31 bigrig battery from the fleet maintenance place. Always 3/8 stud top.  I hate lead clamps.  For the longest time a no name group 31 was $99 for 950cca.


For everything else i buy marine deep cycle cheapos at walmart or rural king, cheaper than a conventional non marine.  Theyre designed to go dead and come back many many times.  I dont understand why anyone bothers buying regular lead acid.  2 or 3 deep discharges and a conventional is on its deathbed.
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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2021, 12:16:38 PM »
Well, all I know is my eyes roll really hard, like teenage daughter hard, when I hear YH talking about the weather getting cold


I was thinking more along the lines of " What the heck, does he know about cold" :D
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2021, 02:01:18 PM »
Oh, we know cold all right.  It is that nasty stuff up there in the glaciated North  :).  
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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2021, 03:26:05 PM »
I have given Minnesota winter tours to South'ners before, Danny, come on up some January!😁 We took some folks from Middle Georgia out ice fishing once, I still wouldn't know the one gal if I met her on the street because all I saw of her was her eyes. She was bundled!😂 It was truly cold, cold enough I actually would never have went ice fishing of my own volition on a day like that but we had Georgia folks that we needed to show how tough we were up here😁
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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2021, 03:28:12 PM »
I just 40 minutes ago had to jump my son's 2019 Subaru, and I've had to jump it at least 10x since he got it new. The first time was in March of 2020, after he started working on his computer from home 3 weeks earlier. I jumped it and suggested he start it every week, and had him use my battery charger to get it to full charge. Since then as I say, I've had to jump it at least a total of 10x.
I think the issue is that so much is still drawing on the battery even when the car is shut off, not just a clock like the older cars.
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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2021, 04:16:00 PM »
The battery is the "cushion" in the electrical system. You will avoid a lot of electrical issues by keeping a good battery. Weak or shorted batteries put a constant load on your alternator. Also if you have a bad alternator always make sure the battery is good or you will burn up the replacement alternator in no time. Weak batteries also cause voltage spikes that will fry your electrical parts.Low voltage is hard on the starter motor.

I keep an eye on equipment batteries after 2 years and car batteries around five years. 
In the old days when I was a young mechanic 2 or 3 years was the average battery life.
If you are not using your equipment unhook the battery so it doesn't drain it.
In the winter I bring them in and charge then monthly.
Batteries that are less then fully charged are eating themselves up.
Heat is just has hard on batteries as cold.
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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2021, 05:34:56 PM »
  A pox upon you Jake!  >:(

 I got out there about noon and noticed my hydraulics were slow so I tried to crank the mill and nada! Just a mild grinding. At the local Advance Auto it read 157 cca's vs the 800 it is supposed to have. Even with my discount you just cost me $95.39. Everything would have been okay if you'd just stuck to selling your turnips down at the intersection of the dirt and paved road and never said anything about a battery. :-X
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Re: Batteries.
« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2021, 06:05:25 PM »
I just 40 minutes ago had to jump my son's 2019 Subaru, and I've had to jump it at least 10x since he got it new. The first time was in March of 2020, after he started working on his computer from home 3 weeks earlier. I jumped it and suggested he start it every week, and had him use my battery charger to get it to full charge. Since then as I say, I've had to jump it at least a total of 10x.
I think the issue is that so much is still drawing on the battery even when the car is shut off, not just a clock like the older cars.
Should get that battery checked. New ones can go bad.Every time you jump it you are taking a chance of a voltage spike. Turn on the headlights before you remove the jumper cable. Each time a battery goes dead it takes a lot of life out of it. That is why they make deep cycle batteries, they can handle being pulled down and recharged repeatedly. 
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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2021, 10:07:13 PM »
The worst scenario is the remote having just enough power to turn on tv and stuck on the channel showing the view.  
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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2021, 12:53:01 AM »
Some time ago my wife asked what we were doing when I pulled into Advanced Auto. I told her I was picking up a battery, her reply was "again?".  I explained that batteries usually last about 4 years but, when I counted off the batteries we used at that point (15), I figured buying 3 or 4 a year (sometimes 2 at a time) was just simple math.
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Re: Batteries.
« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2021, 05:24:36 AM »
I have actually found one of the cheapest batteries around here is at Home Depot. I don't use them myself due to the fact that a good friend has a starter, alternator, radiator shop and he lives about 8 miles down the road from me. I happen to be on his way home so if I need one it is a simple text and it will be delivered that evening.
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Re: Batteries.
« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2021, 07:57:59 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: December 01, 2021, 08:16:55 AM »
They only sell turnips to Florida mountain men, everyone else gets the greens.  :D
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Re: Batteries.
« Reply #40 on: December 01, 2021, 08:20:01 AM »
I have actually found one of the cheapest batteries around here is at Home Depot.
Our Home Depot sells Exide batteries which is one of the better quality batteries.
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« Reply #41 on: December 01, 2021, 08:46:11 AM »
You guys use a battery minder/tender for your equipment when not in use if it is going to be setting?  I have recently purchased some for use on some of the equipment that sits.

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« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2021, 09:10:12 AM »
WV, believe it or not this isn't the first time I was blamed for something I had nothing to do with. Probably won't be the last.


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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2021, 09:21:36 AM »
You guys use a battery minder/tender for your equipment when not in use if it is going to be setting?  I have recently purchased some for use on some of the equipment that sits.
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« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2021, 11:27:03 AM »
Youtube Farm Project is my go to for product testing. He does a great job every time. Here is one on batteries:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7rTcBanpMk


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