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Started by sprucebunny, November 19, 2005, 09:32:24 PM

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sprucebunny

I don't know what this kind of formation is called. Rime came to mind but that is more ' ice deposited by wind' ..... I think...

It happens in the spring and fall . When the ground freezes it seems to squeeze the water out and these upsidedown icicles form ;D



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Paul_H

That is Buck ice.Did you know that Ohio is the Buck ice state?
Yes,it's very common there.
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Frank_Pender

Quick thinking, Paul.  I do not care what Carla said about you being a bit late on things, when you were down this way a few months ago. 8)
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chet

I hate ta be da one ta disagree with ya Paul but, it looks more like New Hampshire Buck Ice.   :P
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Paul_H

Since when have you hated disagreeing with me Chet?  :D
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chet

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Quartlow

I don't know what kind of ice that is but I'm going to hang out witht the bunny, she's got money just laying around!!  :D :D :D
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sprucebunny

It don't grow on trees where you are ??? :D

Yup...fall's the time to rake it up :D
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Fla._Deadheader


 Buck ICE ???  Ohio the Buck ICE State ???  ::) ::) ::)

 That looks like the first freeze and partial thaw, when I youster was a "yankee".  :-[ :-[ :-[ ;D
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   Second, it is violently opposed; and
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isawlogs

 
Those are really cool pics Joan .
But gotta say I dont got a clue to what they are called ... Icycles for what its worth  ;D
Harrold .. you yousta be a Yankee ....  :o  :o :o  and are admitting ti it   ::) ::) ::) ;D
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Fla._Deadheader


Dat's rite, Marcel, but, I converted just as quick as I could.  Them Arkansaw folks hepped us immensely, and adopted our family as true converts.  ;) ;)
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

isawlogs

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D ;)
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chet

Bunny,
I have aways known them as Frost Columns. But I don't know if that is the proper name for them.  :-\
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sprucebunny

Thanks, Chet.

They fascinate me . I think they ought to have a special name from a fairy tale or something.

They appear overnight and vanish quickly and have such a delicate and variable structure.  :)
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Fla._Deadheader



  Kinda related to Hoar Frost. Here's a write up, sorta.

   Frost often appears as a light feathery deposit of ice, often of a curious and delicate pattern. The dates on which killing frosts (frost destructive to vegetation and staple agricultural products) occur vary considerably.
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

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Paul_H

I was thinking Hoar frost too but from a google search tonight,it looks like we tend to use it as a blanket term here.
SB,
Do the columns sound like breaking glass/plastic when you step on it?
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CHARLIE

Dat ain't Hoar Frost as I know it FDH.  Hoar Frost appears on bushes and trees, usually on a real cold foggy morning when the moisture freezes on the branches and twigs. It's real pretty and resembles a flocked tree.  Dem Tings Sprucebunny took a picture of are pure ice.  Note:  I'm trying ta write so Chet can unnnerstan.
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sprucebunny

Yup....pretty crunchy :D

Next time I see them I'll be sure to get closer and poke them with a stick. Might sound different than just stepping on them :D

Hoar frost and rime ice form on THINGS....
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Fla._Deadheader


Not necessarily, according to the info I googled up  ::) ::) ::)

  It also stated that it is formed from moist gasses that rise from Things, grass, leaves, etc., and forms little delicate columns of "HOLLOW" stemmed structures, rising from the ground ???  ::) ::) ::)  I forgot all them "Yankee" things, long ago.  ::) ;D :D :D :D
All truth passes through three stages:
   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Ianab

We get that sort of frost a lot here.
It usually forms on moist dirt areas, and because it usually melts every day it doesn't get that long.
If it forms on bare clay it usually lifts a crust of loose dirt and moss on the ends of the crystals.
Then it melts during the day and turns the otherwise dry track into a slippery mess of mud and ice  ::)

I think FDH has got the right reference, it seems to form here from moisture escaping out of the soil.

Cheers

Ian
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sprucebunny

You left that part out the first time , Harold . Moisture rising would explain it. I'll have to beep in on it and see if it's hollow.

Ya, Ian, I've seen it lift up a layer of moss or dirt.

So what is the origins of the term " hoar frost" ? I still think it should have a more magical name ;D
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crtreedude

I used to see this kind of ice in the spring when the ground was soaked and then it turned cold again.  I also used to see it in the fall when I was hunting. I think you all are right about the source. Their is a mist rising because the ground is warm, and then it freezes.

We don't see that down here...  ::)
So, how did I end up here anyway?

SwampDonkey

I agree with Chets explanation with the emphasis on frost. ;D It's a big problem with certain types of plantation scarification where all the litter and fermation layer is scalped off the topsoil. I've seen the frost pop the trees out of the ground as if the seedling was just throwed on the ground. To prevent it there has to be a good bunch of organic mixed in the soil or a thin layer of duff. :o
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Tom

I saw that phenomenon back in '64 or so in Athens Georgia.  That was back before the turn of the century and almosst forgot.  We had snow that year too. :)

chet

I did a little diggin'  :P  Check out the third picture down on the left Frost Column.
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sprucebunny

SECURITY VIOLATION !!!!!!!!

What did you get me into, Chet ???

They'll be comin' for me, now  :o

------------------

Never mind ::) It worked. Thanks, Chet
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chet

I must have a higher security clearance.  :)
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sprucebunny

Third row down far right looks JUST like them but the ones you spotted have neat headgear on ;D


The security guys were VERY worried that I was packin' an unlawful item of punctuation :D
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chet

they got ta be really careful around dem government sites.  :D  ;D
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SwampDonkey

I got ejected errrr was I a reject  ::)
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iain

I've never seen that kind of formation, it sure looks nice
any one tried ice painting?


    iain

Fla._Deadheader


  Not lately. All the little square chunks keep disappearing  ??? ::) ::) ;D ;D
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   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

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iain

No its using water colour wet on wet then lay it out in the frost to slowly freeze
the ice patterns form in the paint and fix when it dries
i'll ask Linda when she pops up for air


iain

Fla._Deadheader


That sounds interesting.  8)  Got any photos ??
All truth passes through three stages:
   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

Paschale

hey Joan...

Here's a little poetic reference to "hoar frost" with a fairyland type theme for ya...   :)  This woman must have felt the same way about hoar frost as you do.   :)
I found it on http://www.bartleby.com, a very cool website.

34. Fairyland
 
By Anne Glenny Wilson
 
 
DO you remember that careless band, 
Riding o'er meadow and wet sea-sand, 
  One autumn day, in a mist of sunshine, 
Joyously seeking for fairyland? 
 
The wind in the tree-tops was scarcely heard,         5
The streamlet repeated its one silver word, 
  And far away, o'er the depths of woodland, 
Floated the bell of the parson-bird. 
 
Pale hoar-frost glittered in shady slips, 
Where ferns were dipping their finger-tips;         10
  From mossy branches a faint perfume 
Breathed o'er honeyed clematis lips. 
 
At last we climbed to the ridge on high. 
Ah, crystal vision! Dreamland nigh! 
  Far, far below us the wide Pacific         15
Slumbered in azure from sky to sky. 
 
And cloud and shadow across the deep 
Wavered, or paused in enchanted sleep, 
  And eastward the purple-misted islets 
Fretted the wave with terrace and steep.         20
 
We looked on the tranquil, glassy bay, 
On headlands sheeted with dazzling spray, 
  And the whitening ribs of a wreck forlorn 
That for twenty years had wasted away. 
 
All was as calm, and pure, and fair,         25
It seemed the hour of worship there, 
  Silent, as where the great North Minster 
Rises for ever, a visible prayer. 
 
Then we turned from the murmurous forest-land, 
And rode over shingle and silver sand,         30
  For so fair was the earth in the golden autumn, 
We sought no farther for Fairyland. 
 

Y'all can pronounce it "puh-SKOLLY"

sprucebunny

Thanks, Paschale  :)  That's a very nice poem. It's been quite a while since I read any peotry. The rythem can be very soothing and that author sure made me visualize the forest ;D
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Texas Ranger

Ah, Sprucebunny, we don't have stuff like that in my part of Texas, but if ya got a Scotch Tree that grows up there, I could  be convinced to relocate!!!! 8)
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Paschale

Quote from: sprucebunny on November 20, 2005, 08:11:35 PM
It's been quite a while since I read any peotry. The rythem can be very soothing and that author sure made me visualize the forest ;D

I don't read poetry either, though when I did a search for "hoar frost" on that site, I thought it was really interesting that one of the first things it came up was this poem that talked about something you talked about--that it should come from a fairy tale.  So I thought I'd post it--gotta add a little culture from time to time!    ;)
Y'all can pronounce it "puh-SKOLLY"

SwampDonkey

I be cultured.  :D ;) ;D
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crtreedude

It is okay SwampDonkey - you will recover...

So, how did I end up here anyway?

Paschale

Quote from: crtreedude on November 21, 2005, 08:07:11 AM
It is okay SwampDonkey - you will recover...



Thank God!   :D :D :D :D
Y'all can pronounce it "puh-SKOLLY"

iain

Deader i will ask the one with the "talent " in the family to sort it out for you



iain

Modat22

speaking of ice things, heres a few cloud based phenomina cause by little ice crystals.

Pretty stuff.

http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/environment/sun_pillars.htm
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SwampDonkey

Yeah we sometimes get ice crystalls (no not snow) in the air right before a winter thaw spell.
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pappy

Quote from: iain on November 21, 2005, 12:49:21 PM
Deader i will ask the one with the "talent " in the family to sort it out for you



iain


iain, could you do that fer me too... please..please  :D :D :D
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pappy

Quote from: SwampDonkey on November 21, 2005, 03:14:06 PM
Yeah we sometimes get ice crystalls (no not snow) in the air right before a winter thaw spell.

OR when the air temp drops below -40F and the moisture in the air crystallizes  on a beautifull clear winters night  ;)
"And if we live, we shall go again, for the enchantment which falls upon those who have gone into the woodland is never broken."

"Down the Allagash."  by; Henry Withee

SwampDonkey

Quote from: pappy on November 21, 2005, 08:05:32 PM
OR when the air temp drops below -40F and the moisture in the air crystallizes  on a beautifull clear winters night  ;)

That's what sometimes happens here, it will drop to -30 or colder then in a couple of days it's raining.  ::)
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1 Thessalonians 5:21

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Fla._Deadheader


Thanks Iain. Sounds really interesting. Not that I could ever try it in CR, but, I like to see other peoples talent.
All truth passes through three stages:
   First, it is ridiculed;
   Second, it is violently opposed; and
   Third, it is accepted as self-evident.

-- Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)

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