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Started by Ron Wenrich, April 09, 2006, 08:43:54 PM

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SwampDonkey

Some people are just plain slobs.   ::)
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mometal77

Right on charlie.  Isnt there a law into affect over the garbage in a persons car.  Over the fact a guy had a bottle go under the gas pedal go under the break and he killed a couple in a car?  I think its easy just have a small garbage sack.   And get rid of it when filling up the gas and too check the oil.   I am amazed by the people around here that go into the hills and dump off there garbage forcing others too clean up the mess in fear of it being boldered off by the county.  All done by mostly city folk that come out here too shoot guns and run there jacked up trucks.  Its funny around here usually on the main roads going out too the reservation.  Is where the garbage on the side of the roads begin.   And also that is where the white crosses begin too.  Quite sad too go fishing and too see people just drop there nets in the river and forget about them.  Just makes me sick of it.  One friend one mine cut a net over seeing a bunch of dead salmon in a net and got a 5000 fine.  After he got caught.   Instead he did community service.   Total bull pucky I think.
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crtreedude

As Harold can tell you - our farms look like parks - and not trashy ones. Want to see me get mad? Let me show up and find litter.  >:( No excuse for the stuff. Hector feels the same way.

It is one of my "Leading Indicators" if a person is worth hiring. If they think that the world is a trash can - well - I don't need them. They won't put up tools, they won't fix a fence without being told, they are just plain lazy.

I honestly don't get it. I have bought homes and hauled away a dumpster of trash - more than once. Of course, they got a lot less for the house because they trashed it.

I used to live near a watershed lake. Very beautiful (Canadice Lake in NY if you want to know). But sometimes while walking the path around it, I would see where someone had left junk from fishing. I just wanted to catch someone so I could ask them what in the world goes through a mind to trash a beautiful, clean place. I just don't get it.

So, how did I end up here anyway?

Jeff

We have those fishing slobs around here as well. I always made it a point if I went bank fishing, to pick up anyone elses worm containers and litter that was there before me and take it away along with mine. Its not only the right thing to do, it keeps the person that passes you on the trail on your way out from thinking you were the pond scum sucker.
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J.J

 I AM AFRAID OUR LITTER BUG PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET WORSE BECAUSE TIRE PRICES AT THE DUMP WILL BE GOING UP 75 CENTS IT DOES NOT SOUND A LOT BUT IT WILLL ADD UP. IT WAS $ 1.25 UP TO $ 2.00 JUST FOR CAR AND LIGHT PICK UP. MORE FOR BIIGER TIRES

Tom

Now see?  That's what I mean.  Why are they charging you to dump tires.  Tires are being recycled and the recycling companies will even pay you a little for them if the government would let them.

American Tire Recycling here in Jacksonville can't accept tires from the public, even if you wanted to give them to the company.  Why?  The State requires that a  fee be charged and turned into the state whether the tire is turned in at the tire store where you buy your new tires or at the recycling plant.  I'm not sure how much it is now, but, I think it is $3.00.

The responsible party for collecting the fee (tax)is the the recipient.  That means that the company would have to have someone to receive the tires, someone to receive the tax, someone to keep the books, someone to fill out the papers, someone to protect the cash or get it to the bank and worry about being fined if they didn't do all of this on the State's schedule.  Since the money comes from the person turning in the tire, guess where the tire ends up?

My neighbor pulled 13 out of his driveway ditch last year.  His driveway, like mine, is a long one that goes back in the woods to his house.  The ditch was formed to get dirt for the road.  Someone discovered a place to unload them unseen one night about  1/2 way down his drive.

The recycling truck?   Well they send out a truck to pick up tires now and again, usually after several neighbors call that tires have been on the road for three or four weeks.  You are allowed to set out 2 at a time.  They must be dismounted with no tubes.  After the county picks them up you can set out 2 more.  They will pick them up too, sometime.

Where do these Tires go?  Not the recycling company, as far as we can figure.  If they do, then the county is not paying the disposal fee and the company is having to buy the tires.

Now, if the State wanted the tires to be recycled and to stop the dumping, why don't they make it palatable for the citizen to dispose of the tire?

SwampDonkey

They collect the fee here on the purchase of a new one and we can take old tires to any local garage for free. I did find an old set of tires dropped off in the woods up the road last fall. I don't know why, there's no drop off fee. Some people are just slobs.
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Tom

I guess I just don't understand the government charging a fee.

SwampDonkey

I don't either Tom, except what fee they collect sure don't pay for recycling, but it is suppose to go toward the cost as we have an Environmantal Trust Fund. Lots of different fees go into it. If the government didn't subsidize recycling in some manner, it wouldn't happen. From what I've seen reported on it, it's not profitable. They even built a soil recycling plant here before the company had secured contracts. I beleive it went bust or is waivoring and the locals that live near it have protested it's existance because the soil is all (or mostly) from out of province, alot of it was to come from the US. I don't see how it would pay to ship that stuff up from NJ to recycle. Hair brained schemes.  ::)
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treecyclers

Quote from: Ron Scott on April 10, 2006, 05:31:22 PM
The "meth lab" litter is getting to be more and more of a problem and concern on forest lands.

This is one of the primary reasons that whenever I head out to the forest, I have my 45 and cell phone on my hip, CB in the truck, shotgun behind the seat in the truck, GPS on the dash, and a plan.
I tell people exactly where I am going, when I am leaving, when I anticipate returning, a time delay between that and the time that they are supposed to call the sheriff's department to come find me.
I call on the way out, and I call when I arrive at home.
We have meth labs all over the place, or so it seems.
I have found 3 in the past year, all located in old abandoned mines where I am cutting, and I find them becuase they really stink.
That's what the GPS is for - I forward the location to a friend on the DEA (One of the bennies of being DHS), who goes and busts the lab shortly thereafter.
What that stuff does to people is beyond horrible.
Lives and families destroyed...communities ravaged....
Sorry. I'll get of my soapbox now.
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crtreedude

Perhaps the government needs to make it open season on meth labs. Provide a bounty or something for everyone turned in. Bet that would clean em out quick!

My personal opinion is that the cost of disposal of something should be in the price at purchase. For example, if it costs 2.00 per tire to dispose of it correctly - you pay that when you buy it. That way, no one is arguing about who has to pay to get rid of it.

Packaging on products should also be included - if my screws and such come in a plastic container that has to be dealt with, instead of just giving them to me in a paper sack - tack on the price.

This way, the money will be there to recyle the resource - you don't have to make the money on recycling to get back the resource.

Otherwise I end up paying for someone elses purchases. It may be cheap to make - but it may be expensive to get rid off - there are a lot of chemicals in this category.

I just want the user to pay for what they are using, not having my tax dollars pay for disposing for other people's stuff.

Now, if I could get someone besides the government to run it... we might actually have something.
So, how did I end up here anyway?

Den Socling

It's a matter of attitude. One time I was coming out of a restaurant just as a teen aged kid was smashing a glass bottle on the sidewalk. I was on him in a flash. I said, "that was stupid, now lets clean this mess up". Another kid with him says "yeah Jeremy. That was stupid". But we all got down on our knees and picked up glass in silence. I have always hoped this was an attitude adjustment for these kids but who knows.

Pick up trucks are an apparent problem. I am careful with mine and I still see something blowing out the back once in a blue moon. Some people are so stupid. Notice the sofa cushions, lawn chairs, coolers and all of that other stuff that was missing when the idiot arrived at his destination.

A few weeks ago, I was supposed to fly to DC for a meeting. Bad weather put me in Philly and it was faster to take a train than wait for a plane. The train was surprisingly nice. The view out the window was the most disgusting I have ever seen in the US. I am mortified to think that tourist to the USA might be riding that train. I don't know the answer but shoot to kill comes to mind. Some places the garbage is piled almost as high as the fence along the track.

Ron Wenrich

Our state charges $5 per tire and they can be dropped off at any tire store.  Last year, a conservation group cleaned up part of a creek.  They pulled out 82 tires.  They clean the creek every year.

I like the idea of paying up front.  The state has made it illegal to put tires in the dump.  My understanding is that they manage to make their way up to the top, so they don't stay buried.  I think part of the reason for making them illegal is that PA manages to import more garbage than any other state.  Its not our choice, the feds made us do it.   >:(

We also have guys with huge piles of tires.  With the West Nile virus being around and all that stagnant water that tires collect, the state has been hot on these guys.  They will clean up the site and put a lien on the property.  That's where some of those funds go to.

I have a big beef with those supermarket plastic bags.  They seem to be everywhere, except for in the dump.  I have heard that in Europe, they don't use those plastic bags or provide any bags.  When you go to the store, you better bring your own cloth bags or you have to carry it home.  I wonder if that would work here?

My father-in-law was an avid fisherman.  He was always amazed that someone could carry in cans that were full of beer, but were too weak to carry out the empty cans.   :D
Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

SwampDonkey

As far as the grocery bags, I prefer the paper ones the grocery gives you in Maine. Here in NB it's plastic, no choice. Although, I understand the thickness of the plastic bag is about a 3rd it was 25 years ago. Those plastic bags are the most aukward thing to carry groceries in, nothing round stays in them, always rolling out and off the seat and on the floor. sigh......... who's brain wave was it to use them anyway? I hate plastic and don't microwave me any food touching plastic of any kind.
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Cedarman

There are taxes on alcohol, tobacco, casinos etc.  Put a $.25 tax on every plastic bag. You could avoid this tax by bringing your own bags.  I think there should be a packaging tax based on the weight of the packaging material.  A BIG TAX.  Manufacturers would quickly change the amount of worthless packaging that they use.  Bang, bang, bang,  that is the sound of my head bouncing off the wall.
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KGNC

My property has about 3/4 mile of road frontage, all wooded. and it's about the only location on this road that is not in view of a house. So I seem to get the majority of the stuff that gets thrown out. The last couple of years we take a spring saturday to pick up the stuff. first time we did it we had more than a pickup load of stuff. Not near as much now, but more than there should be.

Murf

My summer place has a double whammy against it, but mostly just wintertime.  ::)

First I own a small peninsula between two busy lakes, since the lakes are joined by a relatively narrow stretch of water the current that results means there is very rarely ever enough ice to safely support snowmobile traffic. In fact there have been more than a dozen drownings there over the years from people trying (unsuccesfully) to cross the gap. As a result, we carved a portage trail across our land to allow the snowmobilers to safely bypass the dangerous area. This was part of the problem.

Secondly the cottage is the end of a long dead end road, so anybody coming down the road gets dumped into my yard.

The problem is, between the road dumping sledders out onto my place, and the portage, which is a natural 'choke point' for traffic. If they feel like stopping for a bite of food, a beverage or three, or even to build a fire to warm up and take a break, they do it in the sheltered little bay in front of my place.

To make matters worse, they leave the trash on the ice.

Every spring I have a great assortment of trash on the bottom of the bay, everything from spark plugs to beer cans & bottles, both broken and not!!

One year I even found a helmet! How do you drive away and forget your helmet???  ::)
If you're going to break a law..... make sure it's Murphy's Law.

Ron Wenrich

"One year I even found a helmet! How do you drive away and forget your helmet???  "

Do you think all those beer cans had anything to do with it?   :D :D
Never under estimate the power of stupid people in large groups.

Murf

Yup, more'n likely.  ::)

I was there one weekend when they pulled 4 bodies and 5 sleds out of the narrows. When the police diver asked about the 5th sled, a relative of one of the victims said "Oh yeah, that was his from last weekend. He was showing the others where he went through."

When they brought one body up there were still 3 full beers in his pockets. smiley_alcoholic_01
If you're going to break a law..... make sure it's Murphy's Law.

sawguy21

More areas are being closed off to recreation because of littering and destruction of the soil cover. That puts a lot more pressure on the remaining ones.
I stopped at a reservoir to fish and found a mallard drake tangled in discarded fishing line. I carefully cut the line away, the poor bird was too weak to fight. I have no idea if it survived. I really get upset when I see pull tabs and fishing line left lying around. >:(
old age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm

Murf

"Tread Lightly" seems to be an unknown term to some.  ::)

While we do have some problems in this regard, I would still rather have a small area (10' x 500') of my land chewed up by carbides and tracks than have to fish bodies out of the lake.

The ones that annoy me are the ATV'ers who feel that since they have "go anywhere" vehicles, that it's Ok to 'go anywhere'. I've even had more of the 'back lands' behind my cottage chewed up by ignoramuses on 4 wheelers than think about. At least they generally don't leave trash behind though.

I found out who one of the culprits was though, a neighbour, he figured if I wasn't there he was free to use my land. I discovered this when I showed up with friends, in their truck, he even had the nerve to stop my buddy and tell him off for driving so fast in the driveway (about 2 miles long) because his kids were riding up ahead. He nearly swallowed his tongue when I put down the (tinted) back window and said hello.

;D
If you're going to break a law..... make sure it's Murphy's Law.

SwampDonkey

Reminds me when I was out for a ride with mother on the farm and this moose hunter we stopped and talked to said he had permission to ride his 4x4 pickup on the farm. He had a nice beat down path up two full rows of potatoes by then. Mother said, that's funny I own this land and you never came to me to ask anything. And no one said you could ruin our potato crop.   >:( The next few sentences I don't dare repeat. :D :D Once one idiot makes their own path/road through your crop the whole hurd follows.  ::)
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Den Socling

I have done a lot of camping out of canoes. often times 'traditional' trips get going on the same part of the same river at the same time of year each year. one time, 'my' group met another group who turned out to be mostly Pennsylvania State Police. One year, they ended up camping in a spot 'round the bend and down stream from us. That evening, we heard a lot of shooting. just figured the cops were enjoying some target practice. Next morning we packed and floated down stream and the cops were gone but we were shocked to find the crystal clear stream full of shell casings and beer cans shot full of hole. I said the other day that there are good people everywhere you look but this memory reminds me that there are some stupid people where you wouldn't expect to find stupidity.

SwampDonkey

On our crown reserve waters we have federal wardens responsible for monitoring the salmon angling. And why I mention crown reserved waters is the fact that these rivers are most commonly chose for river camping because of their remoteness. Wardens are often camoflaged and hidden along the bank of the river , or sometimes they float silently along side your canoe to check your license and crown waters fishing permit and length of the salmon you kept. I'm sure if those guys where shooting cans out over the river with wardens near by they would not get a very welcome greeting from the wardens. ;)
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