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Re: Poll: Cloned meat
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2007, 12:17:38 AM »
Hey Gary!  We musta been in the same outfit, eh? :D :D
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« Reply #21 on: January 29, 2007, 12:42:51 AM »
I figure a fella ada eat oysters (ersters for you up easters) would have no problem with cloned meat. ::)

I joined the US of A army in 1963, and was eating 1950's C-rats.  Tasted my first grits in Folt Polk, went to Fort Wood, then Fort Dix, then Germany.  First real food we got was when the commander changed cooks and he bought out of the country store.  But I am with DanG, ham and lima beans weren't that bad, considering 60 per cent of the box was eggs and what ever.  Rarely, we would get the steak and potatos, think there was one can of that per 5000 C-rats.  But I was young and hungry, just a growing boy, dontcha know, and anything that fit between my belt and backbone was just fine with me.
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« Reply #22 on: January 29, 2007, 02:05:41 AM »
No DanG, I hid out in Germany till I escaped from the Army in early 1964. My hats off to you for what you did to serve our country.  smiley_clapping

For me, we just got to practice and try not to get run over by a M-60 tank on those narrow roads in Europe.   :)
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« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2007, 10:00:22 AM »
Thanks for the kind words, Gary. :)  What you guys were doing in Germany was important too.  Your timing was just better than mine. :D

This has kinda gotten off the track. ???  I still can't figure why anyone would want to pursue the cloning of animals for food production.  What is the REAL goal here, anyway?  I'm thinkin' maybe all this is just experimentation, and they're wanting to clone humans someday.  Is Rosie O'Donald behind this?
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2007, 10:36:32 AM »
DanG, DanG, ya got to be Rosie into a polite conversation?  I got to Germany just ahead of getting drafted and going on a summer tour of the far east.  But there was some weird stuff going on in other parts of the world at that time, and some of the folks over there got to see the elephant, as well.
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« Reply #25 on: January 29, 2007, 10:37:51 AM »
I'm thinkin' maybe all this is just experimentation, and they're wanting to clone humans someday. Is Rosie O'Donald behind this?

I think you are right. Both Rosie and Trump are hoping to keep this up forever.    :)

Some years ago I read about some of the early work with Holstein cows. The hope was to reproduce a clone of a superior bull that would be worth a lot of money. You can see the obvious financial benefits if they could clone a top bull or superior race horse, etc.

If that was sucessful, they would also duplicate genetically superior cows that produced a lot of milk. One of the obstacles was the question of the acceptance of the cloned animals in the meat market. Apparently they are close to answering that question. 
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« Reply #26 on: January 29, 2007, 11:05:36 AM »
As a beef breeder, I say yes.   It taste just like the last one!   ;D

Anyone ever look at EPD's for cattle?   Breeding for specific traits, including meet quality. It's almost cloning already.
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« Reply #27 on: January 29, 2007, 11:55:47 AM »
As I said, I have no fear of eating the meat.  It is the motive of the whole project that worries me.  In this country, I think there is enough moral courage to prevent our using cloning in really nefarious ways, but that isn't true of all countries.  What would have happened if Hitler had had the technology?  Could he have cloned a hundred Von Brauns?  A million super-soldiers?  I think we need to rein in the nutty professors before they make a bigger mess than we already have. >:(
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« Reply #28 on: January 29, 2007, 12:00:39 PM »
Cloning would be akin to putting a movie sequel out........never as good as the original and get tired of them fast.  And a lot like sitcoms on a weekly basis.....same routine, slightly different lines and an occasional new character.  But then, there are many who will watch that....week after week after week ad nausiam.  :)

And cloning Rosie is frightening, to say the very least...... :o :o :)

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« Reply #29 on: January 29, 2007, 12:03:24 PM »
DanG, I agree with your view. Just because the good Lord gave us the knowledge to create this technology, doesn't mean we should use it. People been breeding animals for meat for years. I don't know of a good reason to slap Mother Nature in the face, she's been doing an adequate job so far.

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« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2007, 12:21:39 PM »
Yes, there is certainly reason to worry. But even now, if you knew all the things that could be done and to some extent have been done in genetic selection, you would be even more concerned. However, there are enough males in this world that are not about to be cut out of the reproductive process that there is not that much to fear.  ;D

On the other hand, there are enormous benefits to be realized. I know there is research underway to figure out how to grow cartilage and spinal cords. Just imagine the benefits if you did not need new joints, you could just "trick" your own joints to repair itself.  8)
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« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2007, 12:43:47 PM »
Enhancing regrowth of tissues with stem cells is certainly an attractive prospect, and I don't object to it.  That isn't what I think of when you mention cloning, though.  I think of cloning as creating a whole new being by other than conventional means.  Back when "Dolly" first came along, there was talk of wealthy people cloning themselves just to get new body parts for themselves.  I, along with most other people, find this notion repugnant and detestable, but there are plenty of people who would do it.
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« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2007, 02:29:45 PM »
I voted yes, if they can make stronger herds out of copies of the one animal that proves the best for a local environment then all the better. Think of the increased food supply if you could take that one animal and skip 400 gestation periods to make a 'batch' herd. Within a couple of years you would have a fully functioning herd.

So long as they leave genetic modification out of it, I see no problem with cloning.

The human agate idea is a creepy one, I highly recommend the recent movie The Island for a look at how that could turn out. Its all action and suspense but a real good movie to get you thinking about this stuff.
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« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2007, 06:50:04 PM »
My understanding of cloning is that although you have a new being, the cloned one (clonee?) will age faster and have more defects.  That's what happened to Dolly II.  I wonder if they tried to clone a clone.   ???

Also, if the FDA gives their stamp of approval, then they won't have to tell you whether its cloned meat or not.  I think the consumer should decide whether they want it or not.  Truth in advertising.
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« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2007, 10:50:21 PM »
Cloned meat is ok  what I don't want is radioactive meat,from irrariating it to kill bad germs /bugs from sloppy slauder/packing plants.
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« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2007, 10:56:37 PM »
That's something I've never been concerned about is Irradiation.  It certainly makes properly sealed food products have an indefinite shelf life.
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« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2007, 11:13:31 PM »
Irradiation never took off. We only have 3 items in a Store with 25,000 different products. Dats a mi-nute percentage. Only one of the three actually sells. It isn't selling because most know it is irradiated. It sells because it is in one the prettiest boxes in that category. :D
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« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2007, 11:39:32 PM »
It will be a life saver for disaster victims, wars and storage of expendables for leaner times.
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« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2007, 11:47:32 PM »
Too many objectors and too much hype of fear put to the irradiated foods.
I think it a good way to make food safe. It will happen, just a matter of when.
Some even think they will get some left over radiation treatment from irradiated food.  :)
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« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2007, 01:18:36 AM »
I ate US Army food for three years and loved it.....It was also free !!!!! The cloning issue is beset with emotion and misinformation. I have sold many millions of plants that were cloned... Many of these were covered by US patent. I continue to clone plants for fun in my retirement and love giving them away.  I look forward to eating all sorts of cloned food as long as I continue to get my social security check to pay for it........
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