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Started by llawton, August 10, 2018, 09:22:18 PM

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mike_belben

be prepared for a much lighter, less robust machine than that holder in any type of sport/work toy.  i will bet 1/3rd of the operating weight.  where the holder is gonna be a lot of structural steel, the sport utility machines will be hollow thinwall tube.  yes they make a lot of ponies, but if you shackled all those ponies to all they could push or pull something will snap.  itll be a tube, a rubber mount or the worst, an aluminum housing.  

i would not be afraid to have a heavy load on a trailer on flatter terrain and you get it up to speed and down to a stop nice and easy without full power.  but i wouldnt suggest a utility vehicle for ramming frozen hip high snowbanks if that is part of the work.  that kinda stuff snaps pickup trucks. 

have you looked at any of the little asian utility pickup trucks.  im not fluent in any of them specifically but i have noted that no one can strain every last nut and bolt on a piece of iron like those rice paddy people with 4000 sacks of grain 20 feet in the air and 3 families riding on top.  whatever they use is darn tough. 
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wisconsitom

When I was pondering much the same question, a funny thing happened;  my utv/s x s/quad plans resulted in the purchase of a compact utility tractor with FEL.  Man I gotta tell ya, that was so the right decision!
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HemlockKing

I would stay away from Polaris and can am. Yamaha and Honda . For a ATV I would recommend the 420 rancher or rubicon.
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SwampDonkey

You can do a lot with a tractor and FEL. I have, did most of the yard work here after the house build and other buildings. I moved around 20 loads of top soil, spreading it evenly was a different matter. The SxS was nice when spreading the soil around evenly for the lawn, getting it all spread out and not compacting it down hard doing it. A pallet and some weight and drag'er around. ;D

Brother has owned a Polaris for 20 years, only put a new drive belt on it. And he used to plow the driveway until we got a tractor together. Yep, a tractor is nice. ;)
Nothing wrong with a Polaris that would make me avoid them. I certain dealer I would not go near though. :D
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1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

Cruiser_79

Quote from: mike_belben on December 16, 2021, 10:20:25 AM
be prepared for a much lighter, less robust machine than that holder in any type of sport/work toy.  i will bet 1/3rd of the operating weight.  where the holder is gonna be a lot of structural steel, the sport utility machines will be hollow thinwall tube.  yes they make a lot of ponies, but if you shackled all those ponies to all they could push or pull something will snap.  itll be a tube, a rubber mount or the worst, an aluminum housing.  

i would not be afraid to have a heavy load on a trailer on flatter terrain and you get it up to speed and down to a stop nice and easy without full power.  but i wouldnt suggest a utility vehicle for ramming frozen hip high snowbanks if that is part of the work.  that kinda stuff snaps pickup trucks.

have you looked at any of the little asian utility pickup trucks.  im not fluent in any of them specifically but i have noted that no one can strain every last nut and bolt on a piece of iron like those rice paddy people with 4000 sacks of grain 20 feet in the air and 3 families riding on top.  whatever they use is darn tough.
It certainly will be lighter than the Holder. But the speed and comfort is really a pro for a full suspension utv. That's why we don't want a tractor, a Deutz agrokid or similar would be good for snow ploughing and all other kind of jobs. But for that many road km's the lack of suspension and 30 km gearbox will get annoying. 
Over here we don't have hills/mountains so towing a trailer wouldn't be too hard in comparison to your situations. Total weight of a trailer and filled spreader will be 1500 kg (3000 lbs) at most. 
Are the cvt's of JD gator's and Kioti's reliable and easy to fix? If it's not too expensive I don't mind to have spare parts in the workshop. In this kind of work you can't afford to wait for parts. The hydrostatic pumps and the 4 wheel motors make the Holder quite expensive to fix and vulnerable, in my opinion a utv is built less complicated. Correct me if wrong!

mike_belben

In my opinion There is no ATV that will last too long pushing and pulling 3000 lbs. I have tried it.

 I dunno on the farm type UTV end but the racer ones, i see guys put tractor tires on and snap balls joints with ease,  no trailer involved.  Theyll have the horsepower but the tie rod ends and control arms i am not so sure they wont twist up.  With that much weight you got full traction so theres no fuse.  Parts not up to snuff will crack twist or snap if the tire cant spin and you put all the ponies to it.  
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SwampDonkey

If your going to remove snow, get a CAT on tracks and a Quick Attach snow blower. ;D

I think the payload on most UTV's is 2000-2500 lbs on the bigger machines and tow capacity as well. Don't expect it to be a tractor. There are just square tubing and a lot of plastic. ;) Heavy wet snow, which is probably common over your way, is next to impossible or very slow to push with a UTV or ATV.

A small tractor with a cab is a pretty sweet deal these days. You buy a UTV and you gotta built it from there: cab, air, good tires and onward adding to cost.
"No amount of belief makes something a fact." James Randi

1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

snowstorm

Quote from: Cruiser_79 on December 16, 2021, 03:36:18 AM
Quote from: SwampDonkey on December 16, 2021, 03:21:07 AM
Wow, that is a lot of snow for you over there this early before winter. ;D

Well that's  a picture of february this year  :D Hope we will get a lot of snow and frost coming winter!
The polaris looks good, but I prefer a diesel engine. Lot cheaper and just easier cause we have diesel in bulk at the farm. Petrol prices are around 2 euro's per litre at the moment, insane  ???
I have been plowing and sanding town roads for over 20 yrs. Most of the storms we use f550 fords 10ft plow 9ft wing with side dump bodies to sand in front of the rear wheels. Big storms I have bigger trucks. Polaris made a brutas that is dieselhystat front and rear pro. Lots of attachments. Fisher makes a v plow for a Polaris ranger and others. Will a ranger work for you.? I would think so.it would plow fine. Putting out salt you will end up with a some on the machine. Trackless makes a rig that looks a lot like your holder. I have seen used go cheap. A couples web sites for you. H p Fairfield. They are the biggest snow equipment dealer in maine. Fisher snow plows. Everest snowplows

Cruiser_79

Quote from: snowstorm on December 18, 2021, 08:36:02 AM

I have been plowing and sanding town roads for over 20 yrs. Most of the storms we use f550 fords 10ft plow 9ft wing with side dump bodies to sand in front of the rear wheels. Big storms I have bigger trucks. Polaris made a brutas that is dieselhystat front and rear pro. Lots of attachments. Fisher makes a v plow for a Polaris ranger and others. Will a ranger work for you.? I would think so.it would plow fine. Putting out salt you will end up with a some on the machine. Trackless makes a rig that looks a lot like your holder. I have seen used go cheap. A couples web sites for you. H p Fairfield. They are the biggest snow equipment dealer in maine. Fisher snow plows. Everest snowplows
Wow never heard of the Polaris brutus, that looks awesome! At my brothers farm we have to keep 1.50 meter (5ft) free of plants next to canals and ditches, to avoid herbicides getting in the water. A machine like this would be ideal to mow it. With the full suspension it isn't as harsh as with a narrow track tractor.  Is the Polaris Brutus still made or did they quit? 

Machinebuilder

I'm not familiar with the Polaris Brutus. I did see it was developed with Bobcat and is no longer made and was recalled in 2020.

Bobcat has the Toolcat which is available in several Different configurations, Maybe it would work for you.
Dave, Woodmizer LT15, Husqvarna 460 and Stihl 180, Bobcat 751, David Brown 770, New Holland TN60A

snowstorm

Quote from: Cruiser_79 on December 19, 2021, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: snowstorm on December 18, 2021, 08:36:02 AM

I have been plowing and sanding town roads for over 20 yrs. Most of the storms we use f550 fords 10ft plow 9ft wing with side dump bodies to sand in front of the rear wheels. Big storms I have bigger trucks. Polaris made a brutas that is dieselhystat front and rear pro. Lots of attachments. Fisher makes a v plow for a Polaris ranger and others. Will a ranger work for you.? I would think so.it would plow fine. Putting out salt you will end up with a some on the machine. Trackless makes a rig that looks a lot like your holder. I have seen used go cheap. A couples web sites for you. H p Fairfield. They are the biggest snow equipment dealer in maine. Fisher snow plows. Everest snowplows
Wow never heard of the Polaris brutus, that looks awesome! At my brothers farm we have to keep 1.50 meter (5ft) free of plants next to canals and ditches, to avoid herbicides getting in the water. A machine like this would be ideal to mow it. With the full suspension it isn't as harsh as with a narrow track tractor.  Is the Polaris Brutus still made or did they quit?
I don't know if the brutas is still made or not. I have seen a couple for sale under 20k the bob cat tool cat is big money. The key is find a machine you can use year round. Another web site to check out snow business magazine. I get it. It caters more to plowing parking lots. But it will show a lot of smaller ice and snow control machines. I have been to holland 3 times always in the spring I didn't know you got much snow there. I assume the bike paths are paved? Are you using just salt or salt sand mix? With either put some out when it first starts snowing that helps keep it from bonding to the pavement. Even better is pre wet the salt with water and salt mixed together. And cutting edges I only run carbide. They are pricy but last a long time

Old Greenhorn

I drive a Toolcat in my part time work at the sawmill. Mostly it has the forks on it for logs and lumber moving. Personally I love the machine, powerful and nimble. That 4 wheel steering is very neat. I don't own it though (wish I did). The owner tells me it's a dog in the snow, but let me qualify that, we are in a very rugged area handling a lot of snow, none of the roads or working areas are paved at all. The issue is with the hard tires, so the boss is considering some more standard pneumatic tires during snow events. Those would take chains if needed. It's a very heavy machine for it's size, but now that I think of it, this might fit the OP's requirements much better than any UTV would. Yes it's pricey, but very comfortable, good heat, and it moves along pretty good. I've never even had it over 1/4 throttle.
Tom Lindtveit, Woodsman Forest Products
Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way. NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

Cruiser_79

We don't get much snow. We have plenty of winters without snow unfortunately. But if there is snow we have to plow our routes within 3 hours. All bicycle paths are paved and usually we spread salt before the snow gets in to avoid sticking snow. Most of the times there is only 1-2 days of snow. We get rain/snow when the wind is humid and from the North Sea. And cause the water is relative warm temperatures rise and cause melting quite quick. Last year wind turned north so it didn't melt but made snow dunes in this flat country. So maybe it's an idea to use a utv for spreading, and use or rent a tractor for plowing in the rare case of snowing.

Bobcat toolcats are hard to find over here. A smaller and lighter utv I could use for surveying and on the farm year round. The mahindra longbed looks good with some extra length compared to the other utv's but till now I haven't found a dealer in Europe.
Found a JCB groundhog nearby but I'm afraid it will be hard to find parts because they aren't build anymore.


K-Guy

Quote from: Old Greenhorn on December 19, 2021, 08:02:48 PMI drive a Toolcat in my part time work


Those are some beautiful machines, I wish my pockets were deep enough to afford one with the appropriate attachments.
Nyle Service Dept.
A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
- D. Adams

Old Greenhorn

Yeah, last year I toyed with the idea of getting one for here, but the prices, even for used were too rich for me. The nice thing is having that box on the back to carry tools and such which you can't do with a skid steer, and much more comfy to operate. For what we do, it's like my little company car. I drive into the shop yard in the morning, warm up the toolcat drive it alongside my truck, transfer my personal tools, lube water, and stuff into the bed, then drive down to the mill for the session. AT the end of the day I came back up with a load of 5' slabs and dump them in the OWB (which heats the whole complex, shop, house, pool, etc.) then return my tools and park it. If I need to I can switch implements but mostly I stick with the forks. Wish I could afford one, I'd get a lot more done.
Tom Lindtveit, Woodsman Forest Products
Oscar 328 Band Mill, Husky 350, 450, 562, & 372 (Clone), Mule 3010, and too many hand tools. :) Retired and trying to make a living to stay that way. NYLT Certified.
OK, maybe I'm the woodcutter now.
I work with wood, There is a rumor I might be a woodworker.

Walnut Beast

I had a 5610 Bobcat Toolcat. That's the one with 3 point rear they brought out for a few days years ago that I was going to buy it  until I drove it around in the snow that wasn't very deep and got stuck

K-Guy


Walnut Beast. That bad, well then it's no good in Maine.
Nyle Service Dept.
A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
- D. Adams

HemlockKing

Best utv would be a old 80s Toyota pickup with the 22re lol . Basically same size 
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Walnut Beast

Quote from: K-Guy on December 21, 2021, 03:47:46 PM

Walnut Beast. That bad, well then it's no good in Maine.
They are a nice machine and workhorses  but have several  limitations 

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