A few pictures of plenty dead and down Black Gold of all sizes. Eager to get into the treasure chest. The one big dog blew over on the creek several years ago that's half in the steep bank. Can't measure the lower part but the smaller upper limb on the fork is 22" and really long. The tree still had some life growing like that
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Those could grow well in my region but are pretty much extinct except in front yards. Ive hardly ever seen walnut other than slabbed up in bar rooms.
Pretty awesome that youve got mature ones
It's time for some of these monsters to come down this one is way bigger up higher than the lower diameter. Notice the old time barb wire on the outside going in the knot
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I like the idea of a thread for this.
Walked around my tract in Virginia Saturday, trying to decide which trees to start with when my mill arrives.
Think the timber could use a thinning, so will probably be taking some trees a bit smaller than the pros would be interested in.
At least half the tract is red and white oaks. Black, scarlet, chestnut, and white.
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Want to avoid high grading, but not sure what to do with the pines like these white pines, because I doubt they are financially worth hauling the 2 hours to my mill site, which already has a lot of Loblolly on site.
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Looks beautiful ! . Good idea to get the wheels turning on a game plan 👍
Does it count if already down? This is what is left of a small pile of sale logs after "merchandising" and will go on my mill. There are a number of these piles that need to get moved to the mill yard before mud season. Anything that won't make at least a #2 log is not worth it for me to haul. I do not mind cutting 9" diameter or 4-6' long hardwood with the LT15. Also crotches, butts etc. that don't turn into firewood. These were cut off the side of a skid trail and had to be jump butted. Ash, cherry, hard maple
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Mine are already down. Took them out for my shed area. Plantation pines, 21 yr olds so don't expect quality wood. Might make another shooting shed or some siding boards. Hope to cut next week.
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youre making a plantation look pretty good. its not like i wont need some lumber in 20 years any less than i need it today.
I've been doing a lot of looking and marking, here are some from before the snow got deep. I have taken a number down over the winter. Some I will sell as logs, some I will mill. All have issues. The ones that have broken crotches or hollows I will mill what I can recover since the mills won't buy them. I will also save some of the nicer logs for myself.
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This one is a cherry, 24+" dbh. Split right down crotch then half broke down about 18'up.
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Easy to see what's going on here.
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The two with the roots showing are candidates but also the two to the right look like they are not going to get any better with age, and are really close to the third one that looks good. Since I started managing these woods I have always tried to take the worst and leave the best.
Here is my son working on one that is starting to hollow at the base.
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Quote from: mudfarmer on February 14, 2022, 10:37:09 AM
Does it count if already down? This is what is left of a small pile of sale logs after "merchandising" and will go on my mill. There are a number of these piles that need to get moved to the mill yard before mud season. Anything that won't make at least a #2 log is not worth it for me to haul. I do not mind cutting 9" diameter or 4-6' long hardwood with the LT15. Also crotches, butts etc. that don't turn into firewood. These were cut off the side of a skid trail and had to be jump butted. Ash, cherry, hard maple
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You bet it counts 👍.
Quote from: woodman52 on February 14, 2022, 01:10:47 PM
I've been doing a lot of looking and marking, here are some from before the snow got deep. I have taken a number down over the winter. Some I will sell as logs, some I will mill. All have issues. The ones that have broken crotches or hollows I will mill what I can recover since the mills won't buy them. I will also save some of the nicer logs for myself.
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This one is a cherry, 24+" dbh. Split right down crotch then half broke down about 18'up.
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Easy to see what's going on here.
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The two with the roots showing are candidates but also the two to the right look like they are not going to get any better with age, and are really close to the third one that looks good. Since I started managing these woods I have always tried to take the worst and leave the best.
Hopefully you will get some good stuff for the mill. Some of these storms can be nasty on the trees that were in good condition
Black cherry is notorious for splitting at a crotch. This is one of the things I look for when deciding what trees to cut. If the crotch is tight and the top is healthy it gets a pass. If the crotch is starting to split it goes on the short list, if the top is dying back it goes on the "someday when I get caught up" list. I also look at the butt for issues, that seems to be more of a hard maple issue than cherry but they all get looked at. As a cherry matures and gets heavier on the top the crotches get more susceptible. It seems like around 24" dbh is when you really have to start looking. If the crotch form is a V and not a U you have to start watching it when it get that big. I do have some that are 32" that are tight and sound so I don't go just by diameter.
I look at the health of the tree, will it get bigger and better in the future, will it stay the same, will it get worse.
I look at nearby trees, will they be better off if this tree was gone.
I look at understory, what will happen if more light gets down to the ground. The understory is the future -- for my son.
I don't think I have cut down a tree just thinking - that will make some nice lumber. --- Except some beech, they have little commercial value but I use them for building. So if I need some 20' beams I will look for beech trees that fit the bill. I have an overabundance of them.
I like that approach. Same here if the tree doesn't have any issues it's going to be left alone 👍
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Black cherry is notorious for splitting at a crotch. This is one of the things I look for when deciding what trees to cut. If the crotch is tight and the top is healthy it gets a pass. If the crotch is starting to split it goes on the short list, if the top is dying back it goes on the "someday when I get caught up" list. I also look at the butt for issues, that seems to be more of a hard maple issue than cherry but they all get looked at. As a cherry matures and gets heavier on the top the crotches get more susceptible. It seems like around 24" dbh is when you really have to start looking. If the crotch form is a V and not a U you have to start watching it when it get that big. I do have some that are 32" that are tight and sound so I don't go just by diameter.
I look at the health of the tree, will it get bigger and better in the future, will it stay the same, will it get worse.
I look at nearby trees, will they be better off if this tree was gone.
I look at understory, what will happen if more light gets down to the ground. The understory is the future -- for my son.
I don't think I have cut down a tree just thinking - that will make some nice lumber. --- Except some beech, they have little commercial value but I use them for building. So if I need some 20' beams I will look for beech trees that fit the bill. I have an overabundance of them.
How do you store the beech beams, inside or outside?
The top broke on this 36" Hickory last year, beginning of the end for it. With the top still stuck and not knowing the condition of the trunk (Hickories tend to hollow badly here), I decided there are better ways to die. Had an exc. contractor working across the road take it out stump and all with the trackhoe.
Suprisinly, its solid, sawmill here we come!
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Here is my son working on one that is starting to hollow at the base.
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One can tell you've been culling from below. Very nice looking woods! it looks in the pics as if the save trees might be a bit overstocked. Is that the case?
Nice picture Ed! The wind here this past summer busted the whole tops out on some smaller walnut trees
I am going to cut this one and bring it to a friend who has a mill and likes to open these things up.
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Cool! Look forward to the pictures later 👍
Woodman, how you safely take out that one hung up at 45 degrees? I have a pine about twice that big, hung and leaning. Still alive but on the cut list next week or so.
Quote from: Woodfarmer on February 14, 2022, 08:58:18 PMHow do you store the beech beams, inside or outside?
Outside. I am building out buildings, sheds etc. I build with green wood and take into account that the wood is going to shrink/move. Beams take a long time to dry and almost all older timber frame structures were built with green timber. I build mostly post and beam but the same principles apply.
Quote from: nativewolf on February 14, 2022, 10:25:49 PMOne can tell you've been culling from below. Very nice looking woods! it looks in the pics as if the save trees might be a bit overstocked. Is that the case?
Not so much. In some areas yes, and I take that into consideration. I take advantage of NY states DEC forestry services. I have had foresters go through my woods periodically and I always walk with them and learn what I can. I currently have about 5 acres marked to be thinned and will have more marked when done with the current batch. Most of the trees marked to be thinned are not saw timber but mid story trees. Take down the worst to let the rest grow better and make room for some under story trees. In general, the saw timber is well spaced with some exceptions.
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Woodman, how you safely take out that one hung up at 45 degrees? I have a pine about twice that big, hung and leaning. Still alive but on the cut list next week or so.
That is a good question. The answer is- it depends - on a lot of things. I have a Farmi winch so the first thing I usually do is try to unstick it. If it is cut from the stump that is often not too hard. Wrap the choker so it rotated the tree and pull from a direction that seems appropriate. When they still have the roots attached it gets a lot trickier. I still try to unstick it, but by hooking it up as high as I can. If it is really solid I have been know to use a ladder (I have one that collapses down and is easy to transport in the woods). Once hooked up I will pull sideways or down or shake or whatever seem like is might work. A snatch block can come in handy for this. If a no go I will cut it at the base as if it were standing. This can be tough because it is hard to tell which way the forces are. Always watch the cut and if it turns out the notch is on the wrong side stop and reevaluate. Maybe cut higher with the notch on the other side, maybe cut a from the notch side. It is a good idea to have a second saw with you because there is a good chance of getting a pinch.
I will sometimes attach the winch and put a little pressure on the side away from where I am cutting, so it can't jump that way. Maybe put some pressure toward the hang up so it can't slide back until after you have it severed.
Just too many if, ands, and buts to tell you how to do it. This is just some of my thought process when I come up against it. There are people on the forum with lots more experience than I have, maybe post this question as a new post and get some better options.
IF IT LOOKS LIKE YOU CAN'T DO IT SAFELY - LEAVE IT.
This one is on the list, just not sure how long it will be until I get to it. There are a number of projects and construction lumber that will be done ahead of it. It is the one I look forward to and sometimes daydream about the best way to mill it for some really wild live edge pieces etc.
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If those are solid burls big enough to make bowls on that tree, wood turners would pay to get their hands on them.
Quote from: TroyC on February 15, 2022, 10:14:29 AM
Woodman, how you safely take out that one hung up at 45 degrees? I have a pine about twice that big, hung and leaning. Still alive but on the cut list next week or so.
i pull stuck and very stuck trees out with the dozer all the time. just choke the butt and pull in the direction the butt is already sliding. its almost boring.
Quote from: mike_belben on February 15, 2022, 02:58:27 PMi pull stuck and very stuck trees out with the dozer all the time. just choke the butt and pull in the direction the butt is already sliding. its almost boring.
Can't see getting my neighbor's D6 just for this tree and I doubt my tractor is gonna get enuf traction. Thinking of a plunge cut after notching, don't want to barber chair the thing.
I had a 40 ft tree that fell into the crotch of another tree. The root ball was still attached and only halfway torn out of the ground. I cut a large wedge out of the bottom of the log just like felling a tree. On top, I also started cutting a wedge, but not all that deep, 2 or 3 inches. The first cut to make the top wedge should be placed that if it were cut deep, it would align with the wedge cut from the bottom. So when you make the second cut, your small wedge is off center.
Then I kept taking pieces out, extending the aligned cut deeper and then taking a 1 inch piece off with another second cut. You gradually open the wedge up and get closer to cutting through without having the tree pinch your chainsaw bar. When close enough, make the final cut trying to keep your feet well clear. It will tear out instead of giving you a good finished cut.
I then pulled the stump out of the way. Then strapped the base of the tree, hooked it to the tractor and gave it a few strong pulls, finally getting it to pull enough to snap the top and fall...into the next crotch down.
I was out of room to pull due to an outbuilding, so I unhitched from the tree and maneuvered the bucket over the tree and lifted a bit with a strap so I could buck off 3-4 feet. Then I re-hitched and finally pulled it all the way out.
A couple 20 + year old down black gold treasures that are headed to the mill
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I experimented with walnut up here, but after 25 years it was obvious they were not frost hardy up this far. I removed them. Then I found 3 seedlings the squirrels started by burying the seed. Two out of three are still alive. I'm hoping that the next generation becomes more hardy, sometimes they do. But it's a gamble for sure. :D The butternut suffer from weevils that kill the terminals and flower buds that hold the female flower. This is a big problem for nut production, and I have only seen this in recent years. Plus now we have canker pretty much entrenched after Arthur blew in the fungus from the south. Seen trees die within 2 years, or in a bad way, since the hurricane.
Done playing around with scrounging around of the dead black gold on the ground now the dead stuff standing. A couple ones to start. Then several more
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Burning the midnight oil putting the black gold on the ground
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This must be the right moon to cut walnut in eh? 😂
About 30 acres of this parcel is planted Loblolly Pine. Going through and thinning it will provide plenty of logs for the mill. As well as clearing some room for some solar kilns and maybe a small barn if I magically have the time and energy.
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Skidded out some logs I'd previously dropped to make some room for replanting other species.
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Sounds like a plan. Nice stash of trees to work with 👍
This this little baby black golds whole top had been blown out so was on the hit list and kaboom 💥 it got hit. Cut the broke off top and a nice 24' stick. This other little guy has his top broke out and I'm not sure what happened to it. Maybe lightning. Do you think there is anything good in it ?
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Hauling them to the mill
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Thats a nice setup. For the tight twisty woods we have i needed it to be a 2wheel trailer with a drop leg and hitched to the front so it pivots like a skidder in the same tracks. But anyways a skid steer and a trailer can CTL log pretty efficiently with a light footprint if its big enough for the logs and the terrain/mud isnt too bad. I enjoy it.
Thanks Mike! Going to be bringing some bigger ones out later today. Looking forward to seeing more pictures of your tracked beast and truck skid rig 💪👍
First tree I milled with brand new WM was a white pine that got hit by lightning. It blew a 2x4x10' sized chunk right out of the side and 20ft into the woods. Still got some nice lumber
Here is what lightning did to a fir. It pretty much killed or fried the apical meristem on every branch. :D Some of those in the photo are probably fried flowers to. Could no longer have shoot growth, so those needles might have lived one more year. I think they live 3 or 4 years before dying on fir.
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What's hitting your walnut, some kind of canker or is it logging scares? Looks like some twisty gems in there. Try to keep the trees off the Jeep in there. :D Is that a wind buffer in there for the fields?
Good question! No logging but me. No stumps anywhere except from me. Don't think the canker is in this nick of the woods. There are three just as big Black Walnut trees within 20 yards that are just fine. These are a handful of dead trees compared to the numbers of healthy ones. Looking forward to some knarly stuff with character headed to the mill
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Probably not thousand cankers, but might be target canker. But seems odd for it to be at stump level. Might be more to do with soil conditions.
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I am going to cut this one and bring it to a friend who has a mill and likes to open these things up.
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Species? Looks like Oak...
I have been eyeing this red maple but will have to wait till the ground warms up and dries out before I can get to it. I need more red maple lumber as it sells very well.
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Wht do people use red maple lumber for? Painted trim or cabinets? And do red maple get worm struck as easy as silver maple ?
Furniture of all kinds. Looks like hard maple but softer. It's easier to work with and not so hard on the tools. Also bread boards and toys. A few weeks ago a guy bought 100bf to make spoons.
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I have been eyeing this red maple but will have to wait till the ground warms up and dries out before I can get to it. I need more red maple lumber as it sells very well.
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Should be some nice lumber out of it 👍
worms hammer it but then it makes a beautiful wormy maple floor. lots more character once the fungus starts eating the sugars too.
Checked this big boy out last night that tipped over along the creek several years ago
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that's on the hit list to tackle. I guess I'll dig around the base as low as I can and cut as low as possible. Thought about the whole root ball but I think it's still attached pretty good. We will see
That one looks like it's going to be a lot of work but the rewards will be worth it if the wood is sound. Best of luck!
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Time for this treasure to come out. I took this picture in 2019. It was probably down a few years before that. Going to have to winch from the top side. Maybe tomorrow. This monster dandy cottonwood is down in that nick of the woods and I think the Owls 🦉claim it's their home and that's fine by me
I'm guessing they should probably go for firewood 🤷♂️😆 there's about 100 of them that look like that. Friend of mine bought a farm and there's a pile of them.
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Walnut has there been cows in with those trees? I've seen them do similar damage.
Good point. No there haven't been any cattle on the place since I've been around but back in the 60s and earlier there must have been some at some point with the old barbed wire and really old barbed
Barge I would saw that cotton wood into floor joists for the barn. I don't have any like that here. Not that straight anyway.
Diesel said it's on the hit list. Doesn't look like it but it's 91"
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What is the 91" measurement?
Good question. 91" circumference at DBH. Diameter At Breast Height 4.5 feet above the ground. That puts it at a 29" diameter tree at that particular location. Some interesting facts in the photo
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Got my eye on some Cedar, ash and Osage. More dead walnut! The coon that was lounging in his walnut wasn't to excited about us down there
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Osage is in the mix. To many to choose from and many monsters like the one pictured. But I think I might take some smaller ones like this
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I cut it down a couple weeks ago.
Unfortunately it was my first experience having a tree barber chair on me. I realized with that much lean I should have bore cut it and then cut the back.
It split to about 12' up
Anything with tension on it can be tricky and dangerous
Quote from: Machinebuilder on March 26, 2022, 09:41:17 AM
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I cut it down a couple weeks ago.
Unfortunately it was my first experience having a tree barber chair on me.
It split to about 12' up
That's a shame. Nice long clean stem.
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Nice ash covered in bittersweet vines. It'll come down later this spring or summer when the ground dries out.
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Nice ash covered in bittersweet vines. It'll come down later this spring or summer when the ground dries out.
Nice and tall 👍
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Found more big black gold down. Covered by big dead tree. Going to take some serious winching across the steep creek
Digging by hand, down in the creek and sweating 😅 like a mad man insanely while being supervised by the boss that kept dropping his ball down in the creek while going after the black gold to get ready to cut some monster roots
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WB, that is a lot of work digging out that tree. I hope you get much good lumber.
Thanks, seems like it's pretty good. Going to have to wait on the crotch wood and some other big trees till I figure out a slabbing unit
She was on the hit list and just put her down before the nasty storm now. Dug around the base on the one side and found a hollow spot in the tree so I knew it was there. After it was down it appears to go up a good three feet. Not surprised with these older trees. There should be plenty of interesting and good wood. Also I'm thinking of the lower part with the hollow part that I'm going to cut table high and put on mill and cut all the sap wood off and have a interesting and incredible table with clear glass or epoxy top of some sort and do something with the inside you will be able to see. Sapwood seems to be pretty narrow
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I found this one the other day and mark the gps coordinates... I guess these don't rotate, so this is me visualizing it cut down.
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buzzkc
Welcome to the Forestry Forum.
You can correct your pics by going to your gallery, and there you will find the edit button to rotate them right side up.
Interesting tree formations.
Look forward to seeing it opened up 👍
Black walnut. 24"dbh That first crotch is almost 16' up. I noticed the woodpecker hole near the top last winter. We hire a mill every few years and use all of our wood, we don't sell any logs. I'm done with my looking for this round and will have the mill out soon, and am trying to decide if this should go on the stack now or later. If I mill it now I'll have to stack it outside for a year or two, if I mill it later I might be able to put it right inside.tu
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Stopped by my tract in Indiana to try to come up with a plan of what to harvest first.
Here are some pics of the contenders.
35" dbh Burr Oak
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32" hickory.
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Not a likely contender, but here's a 30" black walnut.
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Nice trees.
Hopefully you cut the vines growing on them, after you took their pictures. They will cause havoc with the tree tops and could cause decline in tree growth.
Quote from: beenthere on July 04, 2022, 10:56:31 AM
Nice trees.
Hopefully you cut the vines growing on them, after you took their pictures. They will cause havoc with the tree tops and could cause decline in tree growth.
Yeah, I spent quite a bit of time cutting vines yesterday. Had to get the chainsaw out for some of them. If you look at the left side of the hickory pic, you'll see one cut in half. Waiting to see if I'll break out today from poison ivy.
Never thought of developing a hit list . I must be getting old. lol . I love it .
WB . I get lots of trees sent to me on the hit list and some are pretty nice oak or walnut but the Hit List usually means I got hydro wires to miss. Houses. Barns or hwys lol stuff like that 😂
Funny ehp 😂.
Big bummer on my biggest Elm. The elm disease got it. It looked to be fine earlier. Had mulched by it. I figured that helped things. Then I remembered last month we had some extremely high flood waters come through the creek area and was wondering if that wet creek bottom stressed the tree enough to kill it. Some dead ones around it also. Probably do some big slabs. It won't go to waste
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Sorry about that Elm. What a disastrous thing we've been for our forests. Elm, Ash, Chestnut, Sassafras, Beech, Hemlock, Oak decline all over.
Division of forestry here talks about the Ash dying, but when you mention Red Oak to them, they seem not to be very interested. I see a lot of Red Oak here dying......
Lots of foresters seem to have head in the sand on Oak issues. I think the black and red oak stands we have in this area are all going. Like every stand. We thin to remove as much competition as possible, we remove anything with a dead twig in overstory/crown. Even then the remaining ones don't always look super 3 years later. Some look ok but many...meh.
The larger problem is that our silvicultural needs don't match marketing ability of the industry. So RO has been languishing (mostly) for 2 decades and lots of it needs attention. No doubt leaving as much as we (foresters at large) are means we are promoting the various pathogens we are worried about.
Many big pretty boy to nasty big gnarly monarch Black Walnut trees with defects that some people snub that I have a soft spot for are on the hit list and not the sawmill for quite some time. Many trees in 90- 100+ circumference range like this one.
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Quote from: Walnut Beast on July 29, 2022, 11:36:27 PM
Funny ehp 😂.
Big bummer on my biggest Elm. The elm disease got it. It looked to be fine earlier. Had mulched by it. I figured that helped things. Then I remembered last month we had some extremely high flood waters come through the creek area and was wondering if that wet creek bottom stressed the tree enough to kill it. Some dead ones around it also. Probably do some big slabs. It won't go to waste
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I put the tape on the big elm and it's 138" circumference Luckily it's close to the field edge. Not so lucky on seven black gold trees that are going to be a absolute bearcat to get on the other side of the creek bottom only accessible from one side that all range from 93- 110 circumference. Many many trees in the 70 to 80 range that can stay. Luckily the rest of the big ones I'm going to take are on the same side that are in the same range.
WB , I cut a walnut today that sure was heavy but not to pretty :D, lots of limbs growing off the trunk was up about 30 feet , 12 ft butt log made my skidsteer back wheels come off the grounds so not huge but good size
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rdobb
Are we supposed to detect a difference between those three pics? Not seeing any myself.
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rdobb
Are we supposed to detect a difference between those three pics? Not seeing any myself.
No, just my general lack of knowledge on how posting pictures works. My apologies.
Not a problem, and you can modify your post and remove the two extra ones. Had me curious and was trying to detect a difference. 8)
Three for the price of one. :D
No shortage of character trees. This guy may be on the list. He's 110" circumference with a massive crotch. Two good sections of crotch wood
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Some pictures of Black Gold on the hit list all shapes and sizes from nice to unruly.
Might not look like it but it's 30" plus
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Going to be a bearcat and some nasty places to winch several out on the other side of the creek that are big in several places like this. I'll cut a few of these 5 70"+ trees that are all close together . Love the warmer weather in the 40s. For a few days
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I might as well put this one on the list. I don't remember it being dead but it looks to be going that way eventually.
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Looks like it might have been hit by lightning at one time.
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It's amazing decades upon decades ago Walnut trees started growing everywhere and took the whole creek bottom over. Not many newer walnut trees have come up since. Hackberry seems to be the new one trying to take over when it comes to small trees. The poor big ash and elm trees of all sizes have died about everywhere
Makes one wonder what conditions fostered the walnut doing so well.
Walnut does well on bottom land with deep soils from river silt.
Good to know.
Maybe somebody knows. I wonder why newer walnut trees haven't come up in years ? Is this why and because of the old growth? The interesting thing is that the smallest trees are around 55 to 60" that puts them around 75 to 80 years old. That was the last of the newer younger trees.
Walnut trees contain the chemical hydrojuglone which is non toxic, but when exposed to air or soil it gets oxidized. It then turns into juglone which actually starves plants of oxygen and water.
I posted this picture here on March of 2022.
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Now here is the same tree this morning after I cleared the base of it from all the vines.
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It's too hot to get involved with this ash tree today. (90s) It is supposed to cool off after tomorrow so maybe Sunday or Monday I'll cut it down. It's not huge, about 18" dbh, but tall and straight. I expect three 8' logs and a lot of firewood.
Clearing a patch of poor growing red oak, red maple, white pine, and black gum on the side of the mountain. Will do some terracing to hold more water then replant with some genetically superior seedlings. But have trouble deciding on trees like this chestnut oak in the center of this pic on whether to cut it down or not. 17" dbh but has a lean to it. Is it worth leaving in place til a harvest in a few decades? Or cut it down, slab it up, then try to sell the lumber?
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