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Re: UTV thoughts
« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2019, 01:09:54 AM »
I know a guy that has a (I may be wrong here) subaru justy. AT least I think that is what it is called, he has it stripped as far as possible, even doors, and is running atv tires on the thing. It is street legal other than the tires, but the last I knew the law has not given him any grief over them.
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« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2019, 06:33:24 AM »
Update: Windshield is on backorder!! Hopefully when all is said and done pick up around March 8th!! Disappointed and frustrated to say the least! I did switch out the windshield to glass with a wiper kit. 

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Re: UTV thoughts
« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2019, 07:40:15 AM »
Update: Windshield is on backorder!! Hopefully when all is said and done pick up around March 8th!! Disappointed and frustrated to say the least! I did switch out the windshield to glass with a wiper kit.
This you will not regret. Glass doesn't scratch like plastic and that wiper is worth it's weight in bad weather or even when the dust gets bad (yeah, seriously, I have had that issue). Worth waiting for to get it right. Does the windshield flip open? This can be very handy in the summer heat because those little cabs can get pretty hot (assuming you have a roof). Best of luck with it.
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« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2019, 08:33:10 AM »
Yes Greenhorn, it does flip open. I am disappointed in timing, but you are right, at the end of the day I should get the machine I want & not regret the decision.

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« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2019, 06:56:15 PM »
as far as which utv,  we have a Suzuki Samari 4x4 that is as good as any of the quads-utvs we have, we have older used machines, 550 Kawasaki mule, 500 Polaris 6x6 atv, 700 Polaris 6x6 utv, 350 4x4 Yamaha warrier, and the 87 suzuki 4x4 samari which is street legal and was $1500 about 15 years ago when purchased and it will go where a utv will go.  What has been heard about  the cub cadet utvs? see that they have 3 sizes for sale locally, the  smallest 500cc at $10,000 then up for the larger 2.

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Re: UTV thoughts
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2019, 04:34:04 PM »
the cub cadet is a hi-sun UTV. Rhino clone. It matches my Qlink frontrunner perfectly. and that is Hi-sun.

Mine has been a good machine for what it had to endure before I got it. When I got it the only thing holding it together was the 4" of mud on it.

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« Reply #46 on: February 27, 2019, 08:58:21 AM »
Yes those Cub Cadets look like another decent option.  I've talked myself into thinking I need diesel and hydrostatic for what I want to do with any prospective unit-haul logs.....so will keep looking at primarily Kubota and Bobcat at this time.....but my mind can change.

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« Reply #47 on: February 27, 2019, 10:44:19 AM »
Yes those Cub Cadets look like another decent option.  I've talked myself into thinking I need diesel and hydrostatic for what I want to do with any prospective unit-haul logs.....so will keep looking at primarily Kubota and Bobcat at this time.....but my mind can change.

tom
I'm curious what convinced to to go with hydrostatic? I have it on my tractor and love it. They are expensive if you need to repair (Ive not had problems on my NH TC33D with about 1500 hours on it. I did abandon a Craftsman 26 HP garden tractor when the hydrostatic transmission started to go on it: too expensive to be worth repairing.) I'd have no major concerns with some of the CVT transmissions out there. I've heard other styles with belts that occasionally need replacing, but that is cheap and I can most likely do it myself.

To me, the big advantages of hydrostatic are: the ability to better match your drive ratio to the work you are doing, and do so on the fly (as compared to a geared transmission), and good engine braking on hills (the brakes on my TC33D are still in almost new condition, despite living in a hilly area). However, some of the other transmissions out there can provide similar utility, to me, it isn't so much the type of transmission as it is how well they've matched it to the equipment and the work it is expected to do (my Craftsman had far too wimpy a hydrostatic transaxle paired with it.)
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« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2019, 10:51:14 AM »
Engine breaking on downhills, ability to creep, better power transfer to load (at least, I think so) and the fact I've used primarily hydrostatic equipment for years now.  But you're right-higher initial cost as well as higher repair cost potential.  Most hydros seem pretty solid though.  Rarely seen that feature kick out on stuff I've used like Kubota tractors, loaders, etc.

That said, I do like the general aspects of the diesel version of Cat utv.  Has CVT trans.  Maybe I'm painting myself into a corner with hydrostatic.

One other factor is just what is available in one's area.  I go past a Kubota dealer every time I go to the farm.  Something tells me-and this is in my home-town-that I'll be stopping in to chat with those folks.

The unit I really like is the Bobcat 3600.

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« Reply #49 on: February 27, 2019, 11:17:22 AM »
There is a lot to be said for going with a known good dealer. That can be as important as the brand - particularly for those of us who are not capable of rebuilding a diesel engine in our sleep.
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« Reply #50 on: February 27, 2019, 12:30:04 PM »
The unit I really like is the Bobcat 3600.
That's a really nice unit Tom, I like it too. But that $20k starting price tag is pretty tough to swallow. No doubt this is a workhorse (I love the tech specs, especially the bed capacity, weight wise), but I just couldn't see myself doing it for that cost. I would constantly be thinking of other things I could do/add to my capabilities if I hadn't spent all that dough. I'm sure your situation is different than mine. After you add in the necessary options, you find yourself up in the 'good pickup' range. I steel roof, windshield, defroster, heat, maybe doors of full cab. I run mine with the doors off in the good weather, quicker in and out, cooler to operate, etc. But in the winter when I am plowing, the doors make a huge improvement, as does the heat, windshield, etc. I have a full steel cab which probably ran the original purchaser more than $3k to add. I see them used for close to that. (Curtis Cab).
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« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2019, 12:59:51 PM »
You ain't-a-kidding, Old Greenhorn..that Bobcat unit costs!  I'm just  dreamer at this point.  Wife and I have got to talk to financial guy and see where our finances are going to be in next 2-3 years as I get ready to retire.  The only....I repeat only...reason I'm even able to think about any of this stuff-UTV, bandsaw rig, pole building, forestry trailer...is a bit of cash I've saved in one of the tax-deferred savings vehicles I started a long time ago.  This is the ONLY pot of money I've got at my disposal.....and I'm not yet sure what my financial director (wife) thinks that money should be used for, lol!

So that's my predicament.  Better spot to be in than some...worse than others.  I really have no money, save for a few carefully-saved bits.  I'm trying to swing a whole bunch of stuff, all in the next few years....pole building, well/sanitary at that site, outdoor boiler with in-floor heat for shed, UTV and trailer......let's see, what have I left out!

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« Reply #52 on: February 27, 2019, 01:10:01 PM »
I was looking at the mahindra ones at the farm show. really nice units. But my #1 top complaint on everything is 

STOP AMERICAN SIZING EVERYTHING!!!!! it does not have to be huge to work!!!!!!

you guys notice the lack of "mini" trucks on the market now? Even the tacoma is the size of a midsize. My wifes jeep is only 6" narrower than my fullsize truck.

These newer units are to wide to fit on my 5x8 trailer. that also makes them to wide to fit on all of my trails.

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« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2019, 01:20:30 PM »
I was looking at the mahindra ones at the farm show. really nice units. But my #1 top complaint on everything is

STOP AMERICAN SIZING EVERYTHING!!!!! it does not have to be huge to work!!!!!!

you guys notice the lack of "mini" trucks on the market now? Even the tacoma is the size of a midsize. My wifes jeep is only 6" narrower than my fullsize truck.

These newer units are to wide to fit on my 5x8 trailer. that also makes them to wide to fit on all of my trails.
Agreed. It's ridiculous! My wife loved her 2001 Subaru Legacy wagon. When shopping for a replacement a couple years ago, the current crop had been bloated way up in size. She downsized to a Forester, and it was still bulkier than her old Legacy. She wants her old car back.
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« Reply #54 on: February 27, 2019, 01:43:57 PM »
worst thing is they do not seem to have anymore room inside. They are just physically larger.

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« Reply #55 on: February 27, 2019, 01:59:53 PM »
I noticed that happening with PU trucks some years back.  Look at a F-150 from 20 years ago and one from the last 5 or 10 years.  Just a big, hulking body.....for what?  To impress someone?  Dodge-same thing.  Really, all makes.  Like you said, Toyota Tacoma just got ridiculous.

At risk of setting off a small war....there appears to be a mindset problem!

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« Reply #56 on: February 27, 2019, 02:20:24 PM »
Tacoma is now a nice, mid-sized pickup. Which is OK, but not if you were looking for a small one. (I bought a used 2009 Tacoma last spring, and am very happy with it. The size is just what I was looking for.)

The size bloat on vehicles made for the US market is really disappointing to me when car shopping. When you do find a smaller one, it feels as though you are driving a tin can and the suspension either fells like a homemade go-cart or is the opposite extreme: quite mushy. You don't get the solid feeling of the smaller vehicles sold in Europe.
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« Reply #57 on: February 27, 2019, 02:25:33 PM »
The ranger used to be the most popular mini truck ever. Nothing has replaced it since everything is now midsize.

Its a shame the marketing experts at ford make such a poor decision and stopped production. But its terrible that Jeep did not seize the opportunity to release the jeep pickup. Would have cornered the market.

Oh well. Looks like 2020 they will finally release a pickup for the first time since 1988.

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« Reply #58 on: February 27, 2019, 02:41:07 PM »
Yeah, that Jeep PU looks very nice.  Way....way out of reach for the likes of me.  More like a used Silverado,lol!

Isn't Ford coming back with the Ranger too?  Or did I dream that?

tom

PS...I might have meant Tundra.  Neighbor had big white Toyota Tundra.  Thing was just huge...not something I'd ever associated with the brand.  I could deal with owning something like that, but would never initiate the process.
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« Reply #59 on: February 27, 2019, 02:43:57 PM »
I work in a hardware/grain store. Those new trucks I always ask for the tail gate to be put down.  :o  Big tires and big room between the tires and top of fenders make for a high truck. Kinda like a 18 inch bar on a 40cc chainsaw. Looks good!!!
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