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0 set band blades
« on: October 27, 2015, 10:27:00 AM »
 good morning all
i'm 74 but only a youngster at sawmilling and glad to find this site. a little background on me . i'm a retired tool and die maker, have a 18" Hudson mill that Ma bought for me when I retired . ma being my wife. I have a small machine shop that I can fake my way through most mechanical issues. Now for my first question
I want to saw thin.(less than .125) maple for shaker boxes. the width is 4.00 and under. can I use a 0 set on a  blade just to saw the thin stock? with a standard .019 set for maple it takes a lot of sanding to get the saw marks out. any ideas will be appreciated. thanks Dan

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Re: 0 set band blades
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2015, 10:29:55 AM »
I'm thinking it wont' work very well for you if at all,
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Re: 0 set band blades
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2015, 10:51:45 AM »
Welcome to the Forestry Forum, mainshops.  ?? on your question.
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Re: 0 set band blades
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2015, 11:01:34 AM »
Welcome to The FF mainshops.  You will need at least a small amount of set to provide clearance for the blade body.  Regardless of the amount of set, an accurately set band should leave you with a finish that requires minimal sanding.  As I'm sure you know, rough-sawn lumber is usually dried and then run through surface planer to get to the final thickness and finish.
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Re: 0 set band blades
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2015, 11:17:11 AM »
A pretty impossible thing to do in my little old opinion.  Any type of wood cutting saw needs some set to provide clearance for the body of the blade to pass through.  You may try to go for less set and see if you can get lucky and not pinch and heat up your blade.  Maybe try .013 or so?  This thought never crossed my mind and I've never tried it.  Perhaps saw it a bit thick and send the boards through a thickness planer?  You might have to attach them to a jig (a flat and true thicker board) to be able to plane such thin stock.  Somebody who has messed with thin stuff will be along shortly and answer with real life experience.
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Re: 0 set band blades
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2015, 11:33:22 AM »
A carbide tipped band doesn't have any set and cuts smoother than anything else.  The carbide tip on the tooth is wider than the body of the band to provide clearance.

They are expensive.  I had one for my old sawmill to resaw hard tropical woods.  You can get by with a 1" width on your mill I think.  I have the same band for use on the shop bandsaw.

Another cheaper option that you can try is getting a band with more teeth.  6 teeth per inch should work well for what you are doing.

One place to check is Suffolk Machine as they sell bands for both sawmills and shop bandsaws.

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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2015, 12:21:55 PM »
Fine teeth is what you need...
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2015, 01:37:30 PM »
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Re: 0 set band blades
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2015, 02:03:44 PM »
It's not the amount of set that's giving you tooth marks, it's un-even set. I saw lots of 3/8 thin hardwood using standard old 1.25 X .045  7/8 spacing bands, with 27 thou set. The come out like planed, no tooth marks. Just 1 tooth with more set or less set will make marks on the finished lumber. I do my own setting and sharpening and take pains to get it right.
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2015, 02:16:59 PM »
Don't stack boards on planners. There may be some that you can get by with it but others are going to shoot the board. You use sanders to bring a vener to thickness. You might get by with a hand plane tho.
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2015, 02:40:52 PM »
Don't stack boards on planners. There may be some that you can get by with it but others are going to shoot the board. You use sanders to bring a vener to thickness. You might get by with a hand plane tho.

I have used the two board method but you have to add a stop to the bottom board to keep the top board from being thrown out.

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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2015, 02:56:21 PM »
Even given a proper jig I wouldn't put a 1/8" board in a plainer.

Stop by a cabinet shop with all your pieces. I'm sure the owner would be happy to run a few board through his sander for you.
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« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2015, 05:02:09 PM »
The guy in the six minute video says to use a thickness sander and not a planer.

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« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2015, 06:30:22 PM »
I played around with planing thin stock on a dewalt lunchbox style planer once. I found that much below 3/16" and it just explodes in the planer, even when it is on top of another board. Being only 4" wide and a relatively hard wood, you can get away with very little set, but not zero.
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Re: 0 set band blades
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2015, 07:08:42 PM »
   thanks all for your responses. good thought all.
I believe a lot of my problems are the uneven set I found on the blades. that is what i'll try to eliminate first by setting my own blade by hand somehow.
I played with the two board method on the old parks planer and ran in trouble  at about .080 tk
the drum sander does the job but I have to start at about .125 thick to get to the target thickness of .065. .075 &.085
the with of the boards are 4.0 hard maple so as suggested I try for a minimal set say.005. Can I do that with a hand set until a get a setter made? Dan

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Re: 0 set band blades
« Reply #15 on: October 27, 2015, 07:16:54 PM »
Remember that a standard tooth setter will not catch a tooth that is too far out.
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« Reply #16 on: October 27, 2015, 07:35:36 PM »
Mainshops, welcome to the FF. Maybe you could saw 4" blanks on the Hud-Son, and then resaw them into the thinner stock on a shop bandsaw?

Like Pineywoods said, a properly set band will leave a very smooth surface.

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« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2015, 08:27:50 PM »
Mainshops welcome. I would try "O" set, the pieces you will cut are so thin that they would not cramp the band. You could also try a slight set or as suggested carbide or stellite tipped  bands. Frank C.
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« Reply #18 on: October 27, 2015, 08:34:47 PM »
Cheap and dirty setter, slow but accurate. Sets both right and left at the same time.
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Just be aware that like magic said, it won't un-set a tooth that already has too much set. Also watch the raker teeth. sometimes one of them will get bent sideways. Rakers should have zero set.
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Re: 0 set band blades
« Reply #19 on: October 27, 2015, 09:10:00 PM »
My first instinct was to say more teeth........finer cut.

Just like Kbeitz mentioned.

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