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Started by caveman, August 18, 2011, 10:50:52 PM

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paul case

Quote from: Magicman on August 19, 2011, 05:59:20 PM
Or how about these.






the reason i like the cant hook on the left so well is the cant hook on the right.  pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

caveman

Thank you to all who posted their opinions.  I will buy a 60" logrite and make a replacement handle for the one with the wooden handle that I broke.  The one that I broke really does grab well and the handle was not rotten so I will make another handle-I like wooden handled tools but may follow Magic Man's advise and use steel tube.  Most likely, I will make a short handle, 24"-36". Someone asked if our LT 28 has a log turner.  Its log turner is the canthook, which is fine for the limited amount of sawing we do.  If we sawed more or had intentions of ever being profitable, we would have more gizmos to make our operation more efficient.  Caveman
Caveman

WDH

Woodmizer LT40HDD35, John Deere 2155, Kubota M5-111, Kubota L2501, Nyle L53 Dehumidification Kiln, and a passion for all things with leafs, twigs, and bark.  hamsleyhardwood.com

backwoods sawyer

I keep wooden 4' cant hook on the forklift, and another hanging around. I find the two 5'+ Pee Vees that I carry in the truck are my work horses. One grabs real well and the other so-so. The wood handle has taken on a curve and is showing its ware. So I ordered a pair of the 60" heavy Logrite Pee Vees. When the Logrites arrived the first thing I noted was that they weighed more than the old wooden ones. I have only tested them on Maple, Alder, Myrtle wood and a small Redwood and they seem to grab as well as my best Wooden handled Pee Vee. I am looking forward to many good years out of them.
Backwoods Custom Milling Inc.
100% portable. . Oregons largest portable sawmill service, serving all of Oregon, from our Backwoods to yours..sawing since 1991

tyb525

I first got a northern toolhttps://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=position"> Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company 4' cant hook with a fiberglass handle. It's pretty heavy.

I bought a 4' Logrite cant hook earlier this year, and I was surprised to find it is even heavier than the knock off from northern toolhttps://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=position"> Note:Please read the Forestry Forum's postion on this company. The handle is also pretty big in diameter, and it took some getting used to.

Despite those two things, it is miles better than the chinese knock off, and it only takes one use to tell how high the quality is.
LT10G10, Stihl 038 Magnum, many woodworking tools. Currently a farm service applicator, trying to find time to saw!

Meadows Miller

Quote from: WDH on August 19, 2011, 10:21:18 PM
You will love it.

X 2  In 18 years of sawmilling log building and logging they are the best ones out there you can get and I have used alot of different brands from all over the world  :) All my hand tools in the future will be Log Rites  ;) ;D 8)

Regards Chris
4TH Generation Timbergetter

millwright

I recently got a 48 inch logrite cant hook and I havent used the old wood ones since, it works great.

nlrwrangler

I bought a Stihl and I believe that it is made by Logrite but has the Stihl name on it.  Does anyone know if this is correct?

mad murdock

Quote from: caveman on August 19, 2011, 10:11:50 PM
Thank you to all who posted their opinions.  I will buy a 60" logrite and make a replacement handle for the one with the wooden handle that I broke.  The one that I broke really does grab well and the handle was not rotten so I will make another handle-I like wooden handled tools but may follow Magic Man's advise and use steel tube.  Most likely, I will make a short handle, 24"-36".   Caveman
Caveman, the steel Magic is referring to is 4130 Chrome-moly tubing.  I would get a piece the dia. you need, with .063" wall thickness.  That should be strong enough for a couple of elephants, but light enough to throw around with one hand.
Turbosawmill M6 (now M8) Warrior Ultra liteweight, Granberg Alaskan III, lots of saws-gas powered and human powered :D

carykong

I can only relate to my forum bros that my 5' logrite aluminum handle slowly failed over a period of about 120 days. Yes,the hook worked great and engaged the log just fine. However,once I developed a small bend in the handle,the bend slowly increased with use. I used the hook for routine log turning on my mizer. I weight about 200lbs and was about 59 years old of normal fitness at the time the hook failed. Never abused the hook. Of course, to get  some logs turning ya really have to hang on the handle but I would not call my technique abuse. Just normal pulling. Anyway, we all make our choices and my homemade 6' hickory cant hook is the bomb.

Brucer

Quote from: nlrwrangler on August 20, 2011, 11:52:19 PM
I bought a Stihl and I believe that it is made by Logrite but has the Stihl name on it.  Does anyone know if this is correct?

Yep, it's correct.
Bruce    LT40HDG28 bandsaw
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand wrong answers."

paul case

carykong,
if my logrite ever failed i would be certian to call them and i would imagine they would make it right.
it is impossible for every defect to be seen with the human eye.
pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

Jeff

I'm wondering if he bought his canthook somewhere else than logrite and it was a knock off.  His description of what happened goes against everything I KNOW about the tools. There is absolutely no way those tools will develop a bend as he describes. Something is missing from the equation that he is not seeing. I am absolutely not saying he isn't telling us how he sees it, but I'm saying that whatever caused the event to occur is an answerable anomaly.
Just call me the midget doctor.
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carykong

Jeff,

I bought my aluminum handle cant hook from woodmizer and woodmizer refunded me,no questions asked,minus shipping charges. I do remember asking the mizer tech if the bent handle syndrom had a history. The mizer tech replied in the negative.

Dan_Shade

anything mechanical can break, and in manufacturing, there can be inconsistancies due to tolerance or material treatments/handling.  If it bent under normal use, I would suspect a heat treating/material issue of the aluminum.

All companies (and people) make mistakes or have problems, it's how they react when one occurs that counts.  Carykong, it sounds like Woodmizer did you right in your experience.
Woodmizer LT40HDG25 / Stihl 066 alaskan
lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

paul case

well,
i routinely put all of my 300 lb grunt on my logrite cant hook and it has no give in the handle or hook whatsoever.

oh and btw my logrite happens to be ez boardwalk blue.  ;D pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

Brucer

Well, the handle on my 60" Logrite peavey/cant-hook bent within a few months of me buying it. More acccurately, it "was bent" by one of my customer's employees. He was trying to roll a 30" diameter, 16' Douglas-Fir log that was sitting on top of two other logs. I spotted him with the Peavey anchored in the log and the handle horizontal. He was hanging from the end with this hands and had his feet wrapped around the handle -- and he was bouncing. I put a stop to that and then asked him what he thought would happen if the log actually rolled up off those other logs.

"I dunno," he said, "I guess I'd fall on my back." Yeah, right, and the peavey would fall on top of him and then the log would land on the peavey.

I didn't notice the bent handle until later. This was for sure the real thing -- I bought it from Logrite's agent in Canada. Ryan only weighed about 160 pounds, but I don't know how long he was bouncing on the thing. I never asked Logrite to replace it because I don't figure their guarantee was meant to cover abuse.
Bruce    LT40HDG28 bandsaw
"Complex problems have simple, easy to understand wrong answers."

Magicman

This is gonna be interesting.  My new 60" cant hook gets it's first look at logs tomorrow.   ;D
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Kansas

I didn't even know they were aluminum. When I was picking up a mill at Woodmizer 3 1/2 years ago I picked up a 5 ft one. We don't use it a lot, but it does come in handy. Does fine. However, anything can fail, even if its only one in a million. We had two E25 motors on our Woodmizer fail, both under warranty. Probably the only owner in the country that had that happen.

Never knew aluminum was orange.

Dan_Shade

yep, and some folks could bust up an anvil with a rubber mallet   :D

A friend of mine's stepdad used to whip that one out....  good times, good times....
Woodmizer LT40HDG25 / Stihl 066 alaskan
lots of dull bands and chains

There's a fine line between turning firewood into beautiful things and beautiful things into firewood.

buildthisfixthat

try  " n" 

bend this peavy handle
shop built bandsaw mill

WDH

That is one of those "invisible handle" models  :D.
Woodmizer LT40HDD35, John Deere 2155, Kubota M5-111, Kubota L2501, Nyle L53 Dehumidification Kiln, and a passion for all things with leafs, twigs, and bark.  hamsleyhardwood.com

paul case

that one is even lighter than aluminium!
Quote from: Dan_Shade on August 21, 2011, 10:18:03 PM
yep, and some folks could bust up an anvil with a rubber mallet   :D

A friend of mine's stepdad used to whip that one out....  good times, good times....

try this one.
you could tear up a crowbar in a sandbox! pc
life is too short to be too serious. (some idiot)
2013 LT40SHE25 and Riehl edger,  WM 94 LT40 hd E15. Cut my sawing ''teeth'' on an EZ Boardwalk
sawing oak.hickory,ERC,walnut and almost anything else that shows up.
Don't get phylosophical with me. you will loose me for sure.
pc

mad murdock

I am SURE the Logrite tools are the best as can be expected, and they have a longstanding reputation of quality in what they make, with an equally longstanding reputation for standing behind what they sell.  That said, metal is metal, and even with quality aluminium, once in a while you will get a defective piece.  The only way to ferret it out is to have a QC program akin to what we use in the aircraft/aviation bizz.  You have to NDT every piece after assembly/manufacture, and have tight as a drum control over material from start to finish, with Certifications from point of manufacture of raw materials, certifying the purity of the raw materials as ordered, and controls over every step of the production process, which probably are more than what even a company like Logrite can do in a cost effective manner, without raising the price of the end product a bunch.  In the end, it is like someone stated, mechanical things fail, you cannot guarantee everything all the time will be trouble free, just not the way this world is.
That is why a good company (like logrite), is quick to replace a one in a million failed piece, no questions asked, IMO.
Turbosawmill M6 (now M8) Warrior Ultra liteweight, Granberg Alaskan III, lots of saws-gas powered and human powered :D

Magicman

My new 60" Logrite cant hook hooked this 32" Pecan log quite nicely.   smiley_thumbsup



It now wears a band of orange reflective tape.
Knothole Sawmill, LLC     '98 Wood-Mizer LT40SuperHydraulic   WM Million BF Club Member   WM Pro Sawyer Network

It's Weird being the Same Age as Old People

Never allow your "need" to make money to exceed your "desire" to provide quality service.....The Magicman

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