making light??

[Mr Mom]

     Has anyone ever tryed to use a gas motor to turn a genrator to run a eletric motor and then shut off the gas motor off and let the eletric motor run the gen??
     So it would be a self supporting system.
     I thought that it could be done but never had right parts to try.
     This is some of the stuff that i think of when i am board and have nothing to do.


     Thanks Alot Mr Mom

[RichlandSawyer]

Mr Mom,

   That would be a perpetual motion machine and man has been chasing that since the beginning of time but here on earth we have any a thing called friction which makes this impossible.

[moosehunter]

 Losses in current flow, frictional power loss, horse power loss....ect. ect. ect......................

Won't work. ;D

Make it work, I'll pay for the patents, we'll both be rich :D

mike

[Mr Mom]

     I was hoping that i was on to somthing.
     I think that will be my next project to try to get it to work. After i add on to the house and build a barn and 50 other things.
     Any pointer that might help.

    Thanks Alot Mr Mom

[iain]

Stuff the house, get it to work and you could afford some one else to work on the house 8)


iain

[Mr Mom]

     iain   i dont trust to many people to work on my house.
     Matter in fact there is only three people that i would  let work on my house and one has passed the other is my dad and me.

[iain]

Stop making excuses  and get  that machine invented


iain

[thurlow]

If the engine/generator/motor machine doesn't work out, try this.................."""I've always loved the homespun symmetry of the cat-and-rat farm. It's simplicity itself: You set up two sheds, one on either side of the road. One contains cats and the other contains rats. You skin the cats to make fur coats and feed their remains to the rats, and then you feed the rats to the cats. The cats and the rats reproduce ad infinitum. Presto: fur-coat trade, no overhead. It's a perpetual-motion machine""".  Maybe no energy generated, but a guaranteed income?   8)

[gary]

On a little smaller scale would this work?  I want to use a car batterry to power an invertor. Then plug in something  like a washing machine motor  to run  an altnator which would keep the battery charged and power the invertor to run a few lights.

[thedeeredude]

Mr Mom the same thing has boggled me for a long time.  If you put a solar powered light directly over its own solar panel and give just a little light from an outside source to power the solar bulb, cold that little burst of energy sustain itself?  But Im just too lazy to care. :D

[Mr Mom]

     Even on a med scale if you could get the gas motor to turn the gen you should be able to get it to power the eletric motor and then disengage a clutch from the gas motor.
     Now what am i getting wrong.
     In just the thought of the set up it should work.

     Thanks Alot Mr Mom

[iain]

If you take out all the resistance losses it would work,
but you cant take anything usefull from the set up, you can only be able to generate the power you need to keep turning


iain

[dail_h]

   Y'all talkin  ;bout "over unity" ,gettin more out than ya puts in ------- won't won't work

[iain]

I beg to differ Mr Dail_h,
i think we all get more than we put in from this Forum ;D 8)


iain

[dail_h]

   Yeah ,but see iain,ya comparin rocks ,ta rutabagers ,it ain't the same

[Timburr]

It works in theory until you apply the theory!!

When I was a child, I had the notion to mount a wind-generator to a pushbike to power an electric motor....anything for an easier life. I have since learned about engineering stuff and realized how flawed that concept is/was

Tim

[iain]

Ok whats a "ta rutabagers"


iain

[Paul_H]

dere similar ta turn ups.

[sawguy21]

I remember asking my dad the same question while in my early teens and he said something about perpetual motion being impossible but he did not know why. :D

[Ed_K]

 Gensets take power  . We use a 90 hp trac to run the farm gen. When we turned the silo unloader on (it used a 7hp elec motor) it would make the JD exhaust turn black  ;D.

[KGNC]

Mrmom:
Don't let these guys mess with you. This works every time. Thats all these sawmills are are just cleverly designed power plants.  ;)
How could this many people make money selling wood!!!  ;D
The problem is getting rid of all the excess power. Once you start the cycle you have all of this extra energy that you have to do something with.
And you need to make sure you have a way of turning off the thing. ;D ;D
Good luck.

[Jeff]

An interesting web page.

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm

[Mr Mom]

     Jeff thanks for the web page.
     I was thinking of the waterwheel that turned a gen that powered a pump to pump water into a tank and have a pipe that came from the tank to run the waterwheel.
     
     KGNC...If i could get it going i would not want to stop it. So i would have to put all the extra engery someplace. Never thought about that. More drawing board time is needed.


     Thanks Alot Mr Mom

[RichlandSawyer]

You guys are tearin' me up. Thats a great site Jeff i'm gonna have to bookmark that one.
I wanted to throw this out for a good experiment, Try unplugging an extension cord from the wall and real quick plug it into itself and the electricity will keep going around in a circle. My dads favorite was telling me to turn off the light switch and jump into bed before it gets dark.

WAIT i got it !!!! We need to figure out a way to connect the rear tire of your truck back to the engine. I bet the boys in Detroit already know how to do it but the oil companies wont let them tell us.

[chet]

Da onlyest  time I've ever seen dat perpetual motion theory at work, is with one of my sisters. Once she gets ta yappin' she never shuts up.   :

[joelmar10]

it'll work.  just hook it up to a cold fusion device.   

[pigman]

I would try it with some cold fusion, but my new icebox is not working very good and all I have is warm fusion. :(

[tlooney]

I would try it with some cold fusion, but my new icebox is not working very good and all I have is warm fusion. :(

Sounds more like "con-fusion" to me

[scsmith42]

Anybody ever hear of a "Minto wheel"?  It's about as close to perpetual motion as you can get.

http://www.rexresearch.com/minto/minto.htm

[getoverit]

Something about this discussion reminds me of the "super ball" of the 1960's.... It was supposed to get a bigger bounce after each time it hit the ground.

It *did* get a bigger bounce on the second bounce, but was shorter and shorter after that until it eventually bounced no more.

GREAT link Jeff!

[joelmar10]

Anybody ever hear of a "Minto wheel"?  It's about as close to perpetual motion as you can get.

http://www.rexresearch.com/minto/minto.htm

here was Mother Earth News' verdict:  http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/MintoWheel.html

[Gary_C]

Mr Mom

Don't get taken by these guys. I guarantee your idea will work. They are just trying to steal your idea and keep it for themselves.

There is no guarantee of how long it will work though.  ;D

[iain]

I know i should keep this knowledge to myself
but you know the little solar powered garden lights?
well you can charge one up then use that one to charge the next and back and forth we been doing it for years in this country (not enough sunshine to make it commercial)


Iain (please dont thank me to much, you guy's can have it for free)

[Burlkraft]

Jeff...that's a good site ;) ;)

I been thinkin' about frictionless pistons for a long time...but the cross axle linkage is kind of a new twist on it (fer me anyways)...I guess I'll work on my molecular transport machine instead now : :

[Don P]

The meter reader went up to one old mountain cabin to take his readings. The old granny woman that occupied the humble dwelling came to the door and invited him in, all the while explaining that her light bulb had died and that she hadn't used any electricity. He took the reading and sure enough she hadn't used a bit.

The meter reader told her she wouldn't have much of a bill this month. "Not much of a bill? I didn't use a drop of your power!"

The meter reader had to explain that it was a service charge to maintain the line to her cabin and pay for the squirrels to run the wheel on the generator, the usual big business stuff.

Well, the granny woman plugged in a drop cord to the bare bulb socket and threw the other end on the floor. "If I'm a paying either way, I'll just let it run out on the floor!"

The meter reader calmed her down and got her to sweep the puddle of electricity outside, after all some small child might accidently step in it and have a nasty shock.

Can't be too safe with that stuff.

[Mr Mom]

     Thanks alot guy and gals but i will try to see if it will work. All i need is hum ......everything and some more of everything.
     The sites are very fun to look at.

     Thanks Alot Mr Mom

[Corley5]

We've got an old generator with a Wis. Robin engine with a bad mag.  We wired it up with a 12v coil and used a battery for spark.  It worked good.  I used it when I was building my house and would leave the battery charger plugged into the gen to charge the battery.  One day I had the bright idea of using the charger to provide the juice to make the ignition spark.  I hooked the charger clamps to the clamps from the gen while they were hooked to the battery and then slipped them off the battery posts.  It worked.  The engine kept running.  8) 8) 

[Paschale]

Ok whats a "ta rutabagers"


iain

I remember asking my dad the same question while in my early teens and he said something about perpetual motion being impossible but he did not know why. :D

That's an odd definition of rutabagers...I think your dad was pulling your leg.   ;D ;D ;D

[Todd]

All this talk has inspired me! My power strip that the computer and monitor are plugged into has an unused outlet. Think I'll unplug the strip from the wall and plug it into itself... :

[Mr Mom]

     Now you guy are making fun of me.
     It was just a thought and i never said that i was the smartest rock in the driveway.




     Thanks Alot Mr Mom

[Jeff]

They really aint I'm sure. We all have all thought the same things I'll bet and were never brave enough to play around with it much lee talk about it. (Well, I did, but you see where it got me. I still go off line when the power goes off)

Honest Mr. Mom, the fun is just being made, but not directed at an indivdual. Now if Chet was to try this,  THEN we could make some fun at somebody. ;)

[thurlow]

The meter reader went up to one old mountain cabin to take his readings.

Don't want to hi-jack the thread, but this reminded me of a (true) tale my brother tole me..........He was living in Kings Tree, SC at time;  had a friend who was a meter reader.  One of the residents in a large subdivison came outside while he was reading his meter and complained bitterly about the price of electricity.  The meter reader motioned him closer and while looking furtively around whispered that if he would promise not to tell anyone, he could tell him how to substantially reduce his bill;  just place a half-brick on top of the meter, which would slow it down.  The fellow promised not to tell a soul............when the meter reader came back the next month, every single house in the subdivision had a half-brick on the meter. 8)

[Don P]

It was a sack of salt draped over the meters up on Bent Mt that seemed to have the same effect  ;D.

They just replaced our meters with the high output radio ones, no one has to come on the property. The dogs are bummed  :D.


Just between you me and the fencepost, the government is pretty sure it has several of those perpetual motion machines in operation already, kinda hard to say for sure, it takes alot of mass awhile to grind to a halt  ;).