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Vintage setter
« on: September 04, 2021, 02:20:49 AM »
I have a confession to make, after my ~2 years of milling now and nearly 1 year of sharpening my own blades.. I have never once set one, or had one set  :-X.

I have this vintage setter let's call it, I was given it with the ltaga, don't know if someone made it or if it is a piece of factory equipment but, whatever it is it looks like it's missing some bits, and I'm not completely sure how to use it

I presume the little arms with roll pins in the end are shifters and need levers added to them? And I pass the blade around once pushing the handle forward on every third tooth, then turn it inside out and do it the other way? And I'd just tweak the adjustment bolt after measuring what set I'm achieving?

Ive been using the same 3 blades for I don't know how long now, I bring them home ram them through the ltaga then take them out to the mill and spend another half day with them. They must be on their 12th round at least, I don't know why they haven't broken. I've got about ten more of these to get through then I have got 27 brand new kasco 4 degree bands ready to go. I've used two of them, I can honestly say up until today I've not really noticed a difference in performance between one of my bands off the ltaga and the brand new kascos. Today I was doing 4" slabs in a 32" wide log and I did notice some waves with my bands. Seems about time I get the setter up and running.

So what do I need to do to this tool to get it running smoothly?

 

 


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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2021, 07:30:54 AM »
Looks a lot like an old Wood-Mizer setter, or perhaps a copy at least in part!
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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2021, 08:28:40 AM »
Looks a lot like an old Wood-Mizer setter, or perhaps a copy at least in part!
There should be 2 screws that can be raised or lowered to adjust the height of the blade to get the gullet about level with the anvil.  There is an allen screw that goes in and out to put pressure on the tooth when the handle is pressed forward.
There should be a dial indicator installed to measure the amount of set put in the tooth. Dial and parts seem to be missing.
Also need 3 long arms with blade holding gizmos at the ends to hold the blade in place as it goes around as you sharpen.
That should get you started on whether to "upgrade" this setter.
I am in the pink when sawing cedar.

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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2021, 01:50:35 PM »
Click on the WM link to the left.  Pick the Sharpeners/Setters link and watch the videos on the setters.  That will show you what you are missing and how to use it.
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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #4 on: September 04, 2021, 05:07:08 PM »
I haven't seen one from WM like that before.
Here are the setting tools that came with my old LT40  ('87)




The setting tool.... Insert the tooth between the two pins and pinch it shut. The slide with the wing nut adjusts in/out
to vary the amount of set.




 

......and the roller to even out the set.  The bottom bearings hold the band snugly and the top bearing 
bumps the teeth to even them up.  Run it through one way and then flip it and run it through again to do both sides.



 

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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2021, 07:57:53 PM »
Here are the setting tools that came with my old LT40 ('87)

Cool.  Pretty simple.  Here is my de-setter made from timing belt rollers from my truck.


 

 
The plate is some 1/2" jig I picked up in the junk.  Not sure what it was for, the numbers don't pull up anything on the web.  The adjustable side is part of the timing belt tensioner.  Flattens (de-sets) both sides at the same time.
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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #6 on: September 04, 2021, 08:14:03 PM »
I didn't know that Wood-Mizer made a desetter for purchase, the first time I saw one was at Wood-Mizer Resharp in Hannibal, NY, it is one step in their sharpening process.

I made (had this one made) to closely duplicate the one I saw!





Works really well, drop the band down in between the rollers and pull the blade through backwards, that way you don't damage the point of the teeth!
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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #7 on: September 04, 2021, 09:41:18 PM »
Do you de set every band before you set? Or just if you've got a rogue tooth or hit something?

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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2021, 07:35:00 AM »
Every band that goes through my setter and sharpener goes through the desetter first!

Using the desetter first evens the teeth up pretty close and that will speed up the setting!
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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2021, 11:48:01 AM »
Pretty much the same.  I don't set on every sharpen but I de-set on every set.
John Sawicky

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SkyTrak 9038, Davis Little Monster backhoe, Case 16+4 Trencher, Home Built 42" capacity/32" cut Bandmill up to 54' long - using it all to build a timber frame cabin.

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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2021, 05:31:11 PM »
Great thanks for the help guys I'm pretty sure I know where I'm going with this. I saw a pile of bearings for sale on an auction site last week for a couple of dollars, thought why not they'll come in handy. Ideal..!

I'll get a desetter built and tidy this up. The three arms to carry the blade are around somewhere too.

What should I be aiming for .020"?

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« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2021, 11:46:55 PM »
.020 to .025.  What are your blades?  What HP?
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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2021, 05:23:02 AM »
22hp, they're sharpened to 4 degrees now, 7/8" pitch and 1-1/4" width from memory

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« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2021, 08:40:02 AM »
I usually set to .025-.028
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« Reply #14 on: September 06, 2021, 04:51:32 PM »
22hp, they're sharpened to 4 degrees now, 7/8" pitch and 1-1/4" width from memory
I'm running .042 blades (184") x 1.25 with 7/8 pitch with 18hp.  They only came in 9 from WM at that length.  I've probably got them at 4 now with my sharpener stone wearing out but they usually cut great and fast.  The last sharpening I set them to .022 but I don't think they came out even.  Had a consistent little bit of a dive (1/8").  I'm remaking my dual tooth setter after watching the WM video.  Mine is too complicated and takes too many movements to get the job done.  Will also be making a set checker like the one shown as mine is a royal PITA to use. 

I called WM (local) almost 2 weeks ago to try and buy a BMS25.  They had to check stock to see if the one they have is available and would call back on Monday (8/30) but never did.  My sister and BIL drove out from AZ to pick up a truck so I was sidetracked all last week and didn't call them back.  Holiday today so I'll try tomorrow.  You'd think they would want to make a sale...
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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #15 on: September 09, 2021, 03:10:59 AM »
Pretty sure I've seen one of those in NZ before
Fairly sure they were a woodmizer one, looks the same as mine other than mine has a spin handle not the pull/push lever...

And not setting bands for a year?!? wow - do mine every sharpen :)

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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2021, 04:57:53 AM »
Yeah it does look like a woodmizer.

It's not as if I have no set, I can still quite obviously see it. They've been going well, even compared to new ones. So it's hard to spend more than 2 minutes burning on the ltaga when it's been working haha.

I have one blade cutting stripes so my hand has been forced now

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« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2021, 02:07:53 AM »
I haven't seen one from WM like that before.
Here are the setting tools that came with my old LT40  ('87)




The setting tool.... Insert the tooth between the two pins and pinch it shut. The slide with the wing nut adjusts in/out
to vary the amount of set.



(Image hidden from quote, click to view.)
 

......and the roller to even out the set.  The bottom bearings hold the band snugly and the top bearing
bumps the teeth to even them up.  Run it through one way and then flip it and run it through again to do both sides.


(Image hidden from quote, click to view.)

Is the top bearing slightly larger than the lower bearings? I made one of these today based on my brief memory from having seen this picture last week, seems to be a total waste of time haha.

I spread the bearings only as wide as the blade is and stacked 3 up each side, all identical. I can drag it through and feel the teeth coming through the bearings but it certainly doesn't straighten the teeth, maybe knocks .1mm off them, if that.

I put a band through the setter both ways today. I can see once I had the technique practiced I would get through it pretty quick but it's not as trivial as sending it around the sharpener

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Re: Vintage setter
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2021, 06:10:58 AM »
Setting is so much more painful that sharpening! (in my view)
I cant wait to purchase an automatic unit  ;D

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« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2021, 06:37:24 AM »
Yeah that's a good word for it..


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