Wanting to be fair, don’t want to be taken advantage of - I am landowner

[customsawyer]

One more thing to consider, is the timber/lumber market right now. I know it is really low in my area on just about everything. If I had timber to sell I would try to wait until the market recovered some.
I will also add that sawing logs that had been skidded for 4 miles would put the blade cost pretty high. I would lower what I was willing to pay for the logs by at least 25%

[Jeff]

@jonesy_007 If you type ONE MORE disrespectable comment to ownership, moderators or members who have all tried to help because you are obviously way over your head, you WILL be banished from this website. Thats it period. Yer not pulling that bi-polar 5!@#%^&* here. Listen and learn and pull your big girl panties up. As founder and owner I WILL not put up with your hanging with men that belong here unless you grow a pair which you are obviosly missing You will easily become a footnote here.

[PJS]

@jonesy_007 i came to this site about 5 years ago with similar questions to yours. I bought 300 acres in Ontario and wasn't sure what I was going to do with it. The members here gave me their honest opinion like they've done for you. I can't say I listened to them all, I went my own route and some of what they warned me about has come true.

In those 5ish years I've seen posts like yours several times. Some were internet trolls or AI Bots and some were actually looking for useful information. These guys have seen it all.

You may have lots of experience in other areas of business, I was in the steel industry for 16 years, and you may own 1000s of acres but the logging industry as I have come to find out is a whole other beast. 

It sounds like you're going to get a forestry consultant out to the farm and hopefully you will be respectful of their opinions. 

The guys on here in the industry know what they are talking about. The big $$$ you're talking about SEEMS unrealistic to the guys that have been running log related businesses their entire lives. 

I thought I'd have big dollar trees too. And the more I cut into the property I'm cutting out more dead and rotten stuff than I anticipated. $80/ton after trucking seemed like a great price until the loaded trucks were only hauling 25-30 ton, not 40ish and cedar weighs considerably less! 

[YellowHammer]

In my previous life (younger days and face to face) it would have been a two hit fight. I would hit them and they would hit the ground. Can't do that anymore, especially when we are all hiding behind a keyboard.

  More drama.  Let's see how it goes.

 

[jonesy_007]

Fearless Leader - feel free to "banish me". Like Lord of the Flies stuff here.
I don't want to be a part of a forum where the "ownership" can say what they want about me but when I call them out they don't like that so much.
I don't think anyone has ever said the words "you will be banished" to me before... sounds like a sorcerer.
Banish away at this point

[jonesy_007]

Bipolar disorder is an actual diagnosed neurological disorder so to try and humiliate someone who doesn't have it is disrespectful and yes "hate" towards the bipolar community.
I am the guy trying to be nice, asking a question and getting ripped apart, called names and made fun of... I am the guy getting banished... good choice

[Jeff]

This professional Victim is gone. What a waste of time.

[scsmith42]

Good riddance.

[LeftFinger]

I think his hair was glued on too tight 

[Jeff]

There were more flags, such as posting from 5 different I.P. addresses, and now repeated attempts to get back in. Out of respect for human genitalia, I left my name calling to a minimum.  If you've been here awhile, yall know I have ways of drawing them out.    There were flags from the very beginning when he started spamming the boards. He may have been an intentional troll. I know life is to short to deal with peckerheads. Oh crap! I apologize to all genitalia for dat.

[beenthere]

And he was the guy thinking he was really helping a down-and-out logger, when he was really burying him in a "deal" that was impossible to survive. 

Came here thinking we would back up his 50/50 share arrangement. 

[YellowHammer]

That didn't take long.

  More drama.  Let's see how it goes.

[customsawyer]

Dang it. How am I going to find out how many millions he made off that timber?

[LeftFinger]

It's a 2 Million dollar deal (chance of a lifetime) I'll give you half

The guy jumped on it.
First day on the job I'll bet reality hit hard.
Long haul and when the logs started hitting the ground the quality would be nothing like the salesman said.

[Old Greenhorn]

That didn't take long.

  More drama.  Let's see how it goes.

Some would say it took too long.

[SwampDonkey]

From his map, looks like Manitoulin Island, near Espanola. Unfortunately DNR does not provide forest inventory maps for that Island. It would give a lot more detail than the map provided. I think the way his map is defined is based on presence or abundance, which is a percentage. It's not anything to do with stand density, quality, vol estimation, area per stand, tree height and so on. Pretty limited.

DNR pages.

Inventory

https://www.ontario.ca/page/forest-resources-inventory

Fire Map

https://www.lioapplications.lrc.gov.on.ca/ForestFireInformationMap/index.html?viewer=FFIM.FFIM

[Jeff]

Entirely too close to me via Island hopping. 

[customsawyer]

I bet the check is in the mail for him to become a premium subscriber too.

[Jeff]

It would be the first one in 3 months if he did! 

[Nebraska]

I thought maybe he should just go buy a sawmill pack it in and haul finished product out since it was so valuable.  Is there a big bridge out to said island or do we have to hire a boat?? Sorry my eyes kind of glazed over somewhere about page two.  Oh well lunch time is over.   

[SwampDonkey]

Pretty sure there is a bridge from Espanola. That's where the road comes down to it.

[SwampDonkey]

I know someone who sails a lot whose over near North Bay. Probably sails by there all the time. I worked with him on the west coast. He sails a lot down along the eastern shore in the US. His last reported sail was down around Northern Chesapeake in Maryland back in March.

[Peter Drouin]

ehp-- with all the snakes-- must be a lot of mice, wood rats? Or something?
Or no predators?

[John Mc]

I stopped following this topic after the first 30 or 40 posts. The BS alarms were going off in my head. Just stopped back in to see what was going on. Looks as though the alarms were correct.

Not sure if the guy was fabricating the whole story, greatly exaggerating the details, or just someone who thought that because they knew something about one business figured that translated into being an expert in any business. At any rate, it looks as though I did not miss much.

[SwampDonkey]

I've worked in bouldery ground before where ordinary garder snakes were all over the place. It happened to be kinda wet at one place and the snakes were on the rocks hunting for frogs. I also worked on cedar ground that had been logged off, so second growth cedar was growing and the size that could be cut with a clearing saw to space them. I sat down on a cedar stump for lunch, and there were plenty of old cedar stumps around. They stay hard for years. Anyway, there were mice travelling under those stumps and under the moss and slash in every direction. A snake could earn a good living on that ground.  One of the most mice infested places I've seen.