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Re: Did You know - outdoor edition
« Reply #460 on: April 16, 2021, 08:48:40 AM »
   Did you know that yucca (Spanish bayonet/bear grass, etc) has long been used for cordage? If you watch any of the current reality survival shows you will often see contestants using it for making string to tie together their shelters, make raised sleeping platforms, or to make snares and such. My dad used to tell us it was what folks used to hang the meat in their smokehouses when he was a kid. It is very strong and flexible. Apparently they cut it into strips about 1/4" wide and it was strong enough to hold up heavy hams or sides of bacon and such.
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« Reply #461 on: April 16, 2021, 09:16:41 AM »
We used to tie things together with yucca when we were kids. This was a parallel discovery I reckon as we weren't taught this use. I tried to make cordage out of all kinds of stuff, but lacking patience and knowledge I usually failed.

In appalachia, yucca and/or daffodils growing in the woods are a common long distance indicator of an abandoned homesite or lost/forgotten graveyard. Yucca is also food.

And on gars: They are not too hard to get on a hook, but getting them to stay on with their violence and bony-headedness is tougher. Sometimes it's easier to snag them. They are good food too.

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Re: Did You know - outdoor edition
« Reply #462 on: April 16, 2021, 10:35:24 AM »
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   I am well aware of how hard it is to hook a gar. I can remember using a topwater bass bait with propellers on the front and back at the mouth of a slough on the Escambia River where I grew up. Gars were breaking the surface all over the place. Regularly I would see bony bill rise out of the water with my lure in between the rows of teeth. I tried repeatedly to set the hook but usually just ended up ducking and dodging as it whizzed past my ear. I never did succeed in hooking one. I think I mentioned earlier I later learned using a piece of unraveled nylon cord in a big eyed hook with a piece of cut bait or live bait set under a float a foot deep or so worked. The gar would grab the bait and get the fine cord wrapped in his teeth and I'd reel him in and often find the hook completely outside his mouth.

   Most of the gars in our area were long-nosed gars. We had a few of the alligator gars but they were less common. We considered them trash fish and killed and threw them back in the water. One time Dad was catching a lot of the and had an old broken cane pole and even stuck pieces in their mouths and taped them shut with electrical tape and threw them back. He said they looked like porpoises jumping out there. I think this is why PETA denied him his membership request. ::) I never ate any but cut some up for trotline/bush hook (Limbline) bait for catfish and it was very pretty meat especially the backstraps on both sides of the backbone. They are very strong fish and hard fighters. Salt water tackle was common when fishing for really big ones and a .22 rifle or pistol was used for landing them.
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Re: Did You know - outdoor edition
« Reply #463 on: April 16, 2021, 10:48:56 PM »
   While I am thinking about gars 2 come to mind from my time at Albany Ga. One was on a trotline and my wife and kids were along. It was about 4' long and probably weighed 30 lbs or more and had drowned on the line. My son was about 7-8 y/o and said " What a pretty eye. I want to take him home to show Michael (His buddy next door" so I loaded it up and he ran over and got Michael to show him. Great. Now, what to do with a 4' long, 30 lb dead gar. I realized this was not the smartest thing I had ever done! Like the old Indians did, I figured he'd make great fertilizer so I took him out in my garden patch and dug a ditch about 1' wide & 3' deep and 4' long and buried him. I did have a bumper crop of tomatoes that year.

   When my daughter was about 6 I took her out and we were using ultralight tackle with 6 lb line pitching jig spinners with about a 1/6" jig head and instead of the rubber twisty tail or grub I was putting a live cricket on the hook - very effective bream bait as the spinner attracts them and they smell and readily grab the cricket, especially in running water which seems to make them more aggressive. My daughter said "I'm gonna catch me a gar". I told her no as they did not hit this kind of bait and we were in running water (Flint River below the Radium Springs boat landing) and gar were not common. I think the next cast (which was not over 10-15 feet as she was still learning) her 4' rod bowed and she said "I've got a fish" and I said "No, you're hung on a snag" then about a 5 lb fish gar surfaced and she tried to hand me the rod. I told her it was her fish so she started pulling and reeling and I grabbed the landing net and scooped him up. Once in the net he either released the bait or came unhooked but it was too late as we had him. I think I cut him up for trotline bait. I now wish I'd kept him and had him mounted. Not a big fish but a great memory.
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Re: Did You know - outdoor edition
« Reply #464 on: April 17, 2021, 05:51:10 AM »
  Did you know with the warmer weather the snakes will be active again? Be careful in working around your log, lumber and slab piles. Even venomous snakes are helpful to have around so don't kill them unless they present a threat to you, your kids or pets. Most bites occur when people are messing with snakes followed by accidents when we step on one or right beside him and he strikes in defense. For those of you in the deep south where you have coral snakes remember they tend to be very docile but are very dangerous if they do bite. Remember they have a black head/snout and the old saying "Red on black - good for jack. Red on yellow - kill a fellow." So if the red rings touch black rings it is a harmless, useful king snake while if the yellow bands touch the red ones it is a coral snake. Growing up in Fla in the woods all the time we had lots of encounters and still don't know how I kept from getting bitten but I never did have the urge to catch snakes so if I saw one I either immediately killed it (Way more than I should have) or I got away from it.
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« Reply #465 on: April 17, 2021, 08:21:46 AM »
I always heard red & black, venom lack; red & yella, kill a fella
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« Reply #466 on: April 18, 2021, 06:31:41 AM »
   Did you know river mussels prefer to live in gravel over sand? If you are looking for them you will find a lot more of them in a gravel bar than a clean sand bar. I don't know why but have noted this to be the case.

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Re: Did You know - outdoor edition
« Reply #467 on: April 18, 2021, 06:34:28 AM »
 Did you know with the warmer weather the snakes will be active again? Be careful in working around your log, lumber and slab piles. Even venomous snakes are helpful to have around so don't kill them unless they present a threat to you, your kids or pets. Most bites occur when people are messing with snakes followed by accidents when we step on one or right beside him and he strikes in defense. For those of you in the deep south where you have coral snakes remember they tend to be very docile but are very dangerous if they do bite. Remember they have a black head/snout and the old saying "Red on black - good for jack. Red on yellow - kill a fellow." So if the red rings touch black rings it is a harmless, useful king snake while if the yellow bands touch the red ones it is a coral snake. Growing up in Fla in the woods all the time we had lots of encounters and still don't know how I kept from getting bitten but I never did have the urge to catch snakes so if I saw one I either immediately killed it (Way more than I should have) or I got away from it.
Seen a Garter snake the other day...thankfully no dangerous snakes here, the ones here arent venomous but I have seen one swallow a frog before :)

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« Reply #468 on: April 19, 2021, 09:39:38 AM »
   Did you know that dogs kill snakes by grabbing and violently shaking them which damages the snakes spine to the point it kills him? Of course not all dogs are successful at this and the greatest risk is when first grabbing the snake. If they miss or are too slow they may get bitten. Jack Russel terriers are one of the most popular dogs in southern Africa because they traditionally kill snakes and that part of the world has a large selection of some really nasty snakes. (Some professional hunters also use them as leopard dogs to track down and hold a wounded leopard at bay. While a pack of large hounds can do the same thing and several working together may finish off the cat, the PH can expect to lose a hound or two. The little JR terriers are fast enough to stay out of the leopards reach and survive to hunt another day.)
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« Reply #469 on: April 19, 2021, 11:54:17 AM »
In Holland the jack russell's also one of the most common dogs on the farm, used for getting the rats. 
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« Reply #470 on: April 19, 2021, 12:14:32 PM »
   Many years ago we took a trip through Amish country in Ohio and the Amish farmers were plowing behind a pair of big horses. They would ride on a sled which I guess helped break up the clods and leveled the ground. All I saw had 2-3 little dogs like mixed terriers or such. They walked behind the horse and I later realized they were catching rats, mice, moles, shrews and baby rabbits the horses were uncovering.

   My grandfather had a little Rat Terrier named Cricket that was his constant companion and a very good squirrel dog. We'd gather on Sunday afternoons and move the corn and kill rats. I remember Cricket sitting in a likely spot and grabbing any rat that got past us. She was real good at it.

   Ironically she was bitten and killed by a big eastern diamondback on an early season squirrel hunt. I don't know whether she was trying to catch him or inadvertently wandered up on him. I remember that was a very sad time for my grandfather.
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« Reply #471 on: April 19, 2021, 04:06:04 PM »
Did you know old foresters smell worse than young foresters?  (cheap)Whiskey, (cheap)cigars, gun powder, old dogs, etc. 8)
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« Reply #472 on: April 19, 2021, 10:52:03 PM »
We had a black and tan that flat out hated snakes. He would snatch and shake them to pieces. Michelle had just stepped outside on one job when he jumped ahead, grabbed a big old rat snake and did his routine. She couldn't step back fast enough and when she turned towards me there was a stripe of smelly snake goo right across her shirt  :D. I won't kill a rat snake as long as he isn't coming after me, but I don't love the ornery cuss's either.

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« Reply #473 on: April 19, 2021, 11:09:30 PM »
Don,

  Thanks for the yucca needle and thread suggestion. May come in handy sometime.

  When I was a kid we heard the dogs barking on the porch. The front porch was a concrete add-on to our shotgun modest wood frame domicile and was a slight step down from the house. Mom went to open the screen door and our old German shepherd Rex jumped in front of it and laid down and absolutely refused to move no matter how much Mom yelled at him. Finally she spotted a snake tail under him. We came out the back door and grabbed a hoe or shovel. When we got to the porch Rex moved and he was laying on a big cottonmouth. Had he not laid down where and when he did Mom would have stepped right out over the snake and likely gotten bitten. To this day I still believe that dog knew exactly what he was doing even though he put his life and health at risk. Dogs sometimes do amazing things. Of course, truth be told, he'd probably brought it up from the branch behind the house anyway.  ::)
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« Reply #474 on: April 20, 2021, 09:07:30 AM »
   Did you know that wolves will catch and eat fish and eat blueberries? I was reading an article yesterday where researchers in one of the western states had attached a camera collar on a wolf and released it. The camera came on for 15 seconds every hour for a sample of what the wolf was doing. They showed 3 cases in short order where the wolf was wading in a local stream and eating fish it had caught. Another researcher found and photographed wolves eating blueberries and in some cases estimated 85% of their diet in some areas and at certain times of the year. Having never lived anywhere where wolves were present I have no personal experience with them.
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« Reply #475 on: April 20, 2021, 09:22:36 AM »
  Did you know that wolves will catch and eat fish and eat blueberries? I was reading an article yesterday where researchers in one of the western states had attached a camera collar on a wolf and released it. The camera came on for 15 seconds every hour for a sample of what the wolf was doing. They showed 3 cases in short order where the wolf was wading in a local stream and eating fish it had caught. Another researcher found and photographed wolves eating blueberries and in some cases estimated 85% of their diet in some areas and at certain times of the year. Having never lived anywhere where wolves were present I have no personal experience with them.
I have three pit bull mix mutts that somebody kicked out on the side of the road.  They are fenced for most of the day, but I turn them out for a couple of hours each day.  One day, I walked out in the yard to find a fresh huge bluegill laying there.  I thought, "Oh no, they have stolen a fish out of somebody's bucket."  I walked down to the pond, and didn't see anybody fishing....other than three pitbulls in the upper end of the pond stalking the bream beds.  I saw the female catch another one.  :D


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« Reply #476 on: April 20, 2021, 09:36:15 AM »
    I had never thought of dogs or such catching them but I do know that bluegills and bass will build shallow depressions in the sand for beds and they are often in very shallow water. I grew up fishing in big gravel borrow pits in N. Fla where they had pumped the sand and gravel out and the fish loved the shallow gravel points for bedding areas. I watched one 4-5 lb bass build her bed in about 16-20 inch deep water and her tail would completely exit the water like she was standing on her head. The dorsal fins of bluegills will also sometimes stick out of the water. I can see where a savvy, stealthy dog could ambush them in this environment. Looks like eagles, ospreys and herons would catch a lot. 

   Did you try praising your dog, give him a treat and see if he will go bring you another? You may have a gold mine there and did not even know it. :D
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« Reply #477 on: April 20, 2021, 10:46:37 AM »
I had a german shepherd who liked to eat raspberries and blackberries. He drew back his lips and picked them quite neatly with his teeth. 

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« Reply #478 on: April 20, 2021, 04:36:32 PM »
First-Ever Wild Wolf Collar Camera Shows What They Really Do All Day Long

   BTW - here is the link to wolf camera article. FWIW
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« Reply #479 on: April 20, 2021, 04:49:52 PM »
our dogs started eating our tomatoes.  all you see is the back half of a GS dog, and the vines are shaking, and out comes a dog that run over to the side to chew on a tomatoe.  I know they say the green ones are bad for them, but what do you do.  :)   running-doggy musteat_1 smiley_beertoast
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