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Trees with berries ID
« on: September 10, 2021, 08:37:44 PM »
 




 


 

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Re: Trees with berries ID
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2021, 09:35:42 PM »
   The second tree looks like Basswood (Linden) to me. I'd check it against the other specs on line. Don't recognize the first one off hand.
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Re: Trees with berries ID
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2021, 10:43:45 PM »
#1 is maybe common hawthorn.

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2021, 10:59:54 PM »
Looks like both trees have been identified properly. Both are common in western NY. The basswood is a large lumber-producing tree while the thornapple is a much smaller understory tree. Thornapples or hawthorns are one in the same but come in several variations, but to me they are all the same. Not good for anything that have neumatic tires. >:(

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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2021, 12:46:34 AM »
Thank you!

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Re: Trees with berries ID
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2021, 03:14:15 AM »
thorn apple, hawthorn and tires :D

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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2021, 08:25:22 AM »
Hawthorn is another one they give regional names to .Hawthorn, haw ,thorn apple being some .Deer nibble on them but they are very sour .Kind of funny to me .They might call it a tree but to me it's a bush .While some people refer to a mulberry as a bush but it gets too tall for a bush .
Hawthorn in this area you might find in pasture fields scattered hither  and yon or in fence rows when they had fence rows .Those fence rows BTW are getting as rare as the giant dairy barns of a bygone era .

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Re: Trees with berries ID
« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2021, 08:05:50 PM »
The Thorn Apple I took a picture of is over 15' tall. Looks like a tree, single trunk, etc.

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« Reply #8 on: September 12, 2021, 01:29:25 AM »
Some of them can get as big as a small apple tree.

Lots of fence rows up this way, what is rare is finding old cedar rail in them. Younger generations have gleamed them for kindling wood.If they ain't guarded by hawthorns. ;D  Around here in Royalton, hawthorn is about nil, but it is around in places. South of here I was on an abandoned field, solid hawthorn in among wild apples. Up at my uncle's 30 miles north, it took over the pastures. :D I have only seen a couple here growing in the old orchard, which I converted to a hardwoods grove with some ever greens along the west line. In recent years I found a wild grape in there, which never grew here when I was a kid, it grew down in the village along the RR and in fencing also the main river. So it's native for sure. Them old Vikings found some (vine land) in their travels and even picked butternuts because they found some of those over in Labrador in mud houses they built 600 or 800 years ago.
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« Reply #9 on: September 12, 2021, 01:07:52 PM »
Wild grapes are another subject .About the size of a pea and the birds get them like they do mulberrys .Just like mulberrys they don't stay with them long and they use them for practice bombing runs on your newly washed automobile .I have wild grape vines  growing the closest vines are 200 feet away .Birds act like squirrels that are good nut tree planters .It would not surprise me if thorn apples in pasture fields might be traced to birds .
Come to think about I do have some kind of thorny bush in one of my fence rows I have to duck when mowing the field .I've never seen those little tiny sour apples though .Unless those bushes are like mulberry which have male and female plants . Don't know because I've never claimed to be a forester or arborist .I do know an oak tree from a pine tree though if that counts for anything . :)

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Re: Trees with berries ID
« Reply #10 on: September 13, 2021, 12:37:41 PM »
But you got some work to do on your hickories.  Sorry, couldnt help it, just funning  ;) ;D.  

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 2021, 01:16:32 PM »
You are correct as I have a couple of standing dead , big ones . ;)

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Re: Trees with berries ID
« Reply #12 on: September 13, 2021, 02:27:22 PM »
.I do know an oak tree from a pine tree though if that counts for anything .


Had a friends girlfriend a few years back that asked me to walk her wood lot with her as it was part of a larger family lot that was being clear cut and she had absolutely no idea what she had, or what she could do as she had ideas for use of the land that didn't involve a clear cut.  Se we went for a walk, we are standing in the middle of natural re-gen pine for as far as you can see when she says "Now these are all oak right?".  Ummm, where do I start.::)  Then it got better, we were on an old, easy to see path and she tells me she just has to "look at something right there for a moment".   Sure - so I turn around to give her some privacy as she walks 50 or so feet away.  Few minutes later I say something, no answer, so I say something louder, no answer.  Head in that direction - no friends girlfriend.  What the....  Spend the next two hours searching for her, call a buddy who is a Game Warden and tell him I need help, kinda, sorta, have a missing person issue.  Call my wife and ask her to start over this way, yea this is looking great for me.  It wasn't like it was an area big enough to actually get lost and get in trouble in, but still.  Eventually she found her way to a road and came back but...ugg that was getting embarrassing.  

To her credit after that she did sign up for a small woodlot owners class at a local University so now she knows an oak from a pine.  Not sure if map and compass was part of the class work or not. ;D

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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 2021, 03:44:43 PM »
 :D It does go on and on about like the never ending often revisited great oil debate .So here's another to kick to fro to take the heat of hickory trees 
You have linden and you have basswood .What's the difference ? How's about Osage orange and hedge apple or just plain hedge ?Osage certainly is not related to a real orange tree but is to a mulberry which is often referred  to as a bush .Then how's come I have a male in my thicket that's nearly 50 feet tall ? I'm just so confused . ;D

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« Reply #14 on: September 13, 2021, 04:17:27 PM »
It was the most desirable wood for native Americans bows.  The Osage were one tribe that highly valued the wood.  The fruit is a large berry that looks like an orange.  It was found to make an almost impenetrable hedge to act as a natural fence due to the thorns and the intertwining growth habit of the twigs and the fruit is large like an apple.  It was widely planted in the East as a natural fence/hedge. 
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« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2021, 07:36:36 PM »
--plus when hedge rows get about 3 -- 4 feet across it will stop a 2,000 pound Holstein bull with a twinkle in his eye . :D

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« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2021, 10:56:05 PM »
Ever seen how high and far them things can jump?  We had to increase the height of the chest gates in the parlor because of two that would just launch themselves out when they wanted to.  Stand there, launch, and not touch the gate at all on the way over it as the claw hit the ground.  Started calling one "Willie" as in "Free Willie" because of it.  
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« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2021, 08:56:33 AM »
Hawthorn is another one they give regional names to .Hawthorn, haw ,thorn apple being some .Deer nibble on them but they are very sour .Kind of funny to me .They might call it a tree but to me it's a bush .While some people refer to a mulberry as a bush but it gets too tall for a bush .
Hawthorn in this area you might find in pasture fields scattered hither  and yon or in fence rows when they had fence rows .Those fence rows BTW are getting as rare as the giant dairy barns of a bygone era .
I have them here and there too and never seen one much over 3-4' tall. Why are the bigger up north? Different species? 
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« Reply #18 on: September 18, 2021, 02:04:00 PM »
It could be there might be different species of thorn apples or what ever you want to call them .I've seem them, all short with little grape sized fruit to about ping pong ball sized .They might be good for something but eating off the bush is not one of them .Maybe for baking tarts because that they are indeed .

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« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2021, 05:42:06 AM »
Many species, some grow 30 feet tall. The Cockspur hawthorn, Crataegus crusgalliis, a showy native ornamental. It's not hard to find botanical info in books and Google. :D   You fellas with small ones, stop cut'n them for 40 years on old pasture ground and see how high they grow. :D
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