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Title: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 18, 2014, 09:05:27 PM
Hello,

I recently made a new handle for my old cant hook on the lathe.  I even did my first offset turning on the butt of the handle of which I am very proud, but that is not the reason for this post.  Being an old style without a nose, I was going to just call it good but then it occurred to me I could put some copper fittings (or some kind of cleat) on the business end of the tool if I turned it down some more.  I also suspect it is longer than it needs to be and perhaps I should shorten the nose a bit while I am at it to roughly where the copper fittings are.

Any pointers?

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Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: WDH on November 18, 2014, 09:08:11 PM
You turn a nice cant hook handle shinnlinger. 
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: thecfarm on November 18, 2014, 09:11:56 PM
Check out the Logrite site.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: Gideon_70 on November 18, 2014, 09:16:26 PM
Quote from: shinnlinger on November 18, 2014, 09:05:27 PM
Hello,

I recently made a new handle for my old cant hook on the lathe.  I even did my first offset turning on the butt of the handle of which I am very proud, but that is not the reason for this post.  Being an old style without a nose, I was going to just call it good but then it occurred to me I could put some copper fittings (or some kind of cleat) on the business end of the tool if I turned it down some more.  I also suspect it is longer than it needs to be and perhaps I should shorten the nose a bit while I am at it to roughly where the copper fittings are.

Any pointers?

(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/16762/IMG_4633.jpg)

I have two of them.  One I use to unload trailers with, and it's great because it's long at the nose and lets me lift the log a bit - but it doesn't work well at the mill because the nose gets in the way.  So I guess it'll depend on what you are doing with it.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 18, 2014, 09:25:12 PM
Thanks WDH,

Had some fun with these projects.  A student wanted to turn a peavy handle and then another wanted to make an ax handle so of course I had to show them how to do it an now we are making handles left and right.  Made a double bit throwing ax handle today for the dartmouth woodsman team.

cfarm,
The log right site shows the cant hook on a log, but not folded up so it is hard to gauge where their snout ends, but it is shorter than mine

Gideon,

Do you have a Peavy for the trailer and a cant hook for the mill or a long nosed cant hook for the trailer and a short one for the mill?
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: Onthesauk on November 18, 2014, 09:29:47 PM
Go to Google, Imagines, Cant Hook.  Should get a whole bunch of ideas!
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 18, 2014, 09:50:51 PM
I have done that but it is inconclusive.  half the shots are actually peaveys and many are open so you can't tell.  Of the ones that are somewhat closed it does seem to end where the hook comes up or shortly thereafter.  I am wondering if I should add a cleat of some kind as opposed to simply a copper fitting.  I have longer peaveys and a really neat little cant dog thingy that was manufactured locally about 50 years ago.  Has Canaan NH  stamped right on it.  Might have to haul that into the shop and make a new handle for it.

I envision this unit being used on the mill when the little do dad thing isn't big enough.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: cousin jw on November 18, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
 I think I found a photo that might be of use to you for this project. Majicman posted a photo of several Logrite cant hooks in the closed position in response #43 in the thread 'What length can't hook to buy' that was started on 10-4-14. This post was the second post that came up when I typed in Logrite can't hook in the Forum search engine.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: BCsaw on November 18, 2014, 11:42:10 PM
Shinnlinger, I just went and measured my old cant hook. The hook is approximately 12" from the end of the hook to the pivot point. The nose is 8" from the end to the pivot point.

The overall length is 50".

I hope this helps some.

Happy hooking! :D :D
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: 5quarter on November 19, 2014, 01:16:04 AM
Shinnlinger...Great job on the handles! If it were mine, I'd take it back to where the point meets the handle. Did you make the axe handle too? again, nice work.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 19, 2014, 07:11:56 AM
Thanks guys, will look
Into those measurements.   

I made both handles out of some ash I milled a few years ago to show some students how to do it.    The axe head I found on the family homestead in Linconville me.  My 6Th. great grandad got the land for fighting in the Revolution, so it could be pretty old, but who knows?The cant hook bit I found in an old barn here in Canaan but had been using around the mill with a busted shovel handle wrapped with a ball of duct tape to keep it tight.    I like my new handle better...
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: Magicman on November 19, 2014, 07:20:45 AM
 

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Old cant hooks and peaveys.


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Logrite cant hooks.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: bandmiller2 on November 19, 2014, 07:39:53 AM
Shinn, the geometry of a cant or peavey is critical for the best operation. I would copy the dimentions of one you like. I make peavey handles from louieville slugger bats I find. Yes I do own a Logrite canthook. I must try aluminum bats. Frank C.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: loggah on November 19, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Shinnlinger,I have a couple of those mill cant turners made by Jamieson in Canaan,a medium and a small one there nice little hooks. On your end you should have a steel thimble,closed end with a small lip on the inside edge! ;D If you need any more parts i probably got parts to 50 or or more hanging around.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 19, 2014, 09:00:11 PM
Thanks again all!

Looks like I need to start turning some more handles to catch up with Magicman. 

My Canaan hook is also a Jameson but I think One of the Larrys first made them and then sold the biz to Jameson and then another Larry bought it back.  I would love to see yours as I might be able to remanufacture them with the vo-tech school.  We are already working on a pickaroon together.  They do the steel and we do the wood.

Loggah, you probably knew Ed Larry.  I used to enjoy talking with him.  Still see Charlie Neilly around and he is another fellah I always make time to talk with.  He has forgotten more common sense than I will ever know.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 19, 2014, 09:02:20 PM
Magic,

I see that your bottommost wooden cant hook and your top logrite cant hook have shorter snouts than the others.  Do you have a preference?

Dave
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: Magicman on November 19, 2014, 09:43:28 PM
They actually have longer hooks for handling larger logs.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: loggah on November 20, 2014, 06:46:23 AM
Your welcome to come over and check them out anytime. they are both in this picture.

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Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 20, 2014, 10:07:24 PM
this has been an interesting process because for the first time I actually looked at the geometry of a cant hook.  I will turn down my new one to where the hook extends at half mast.   I am sure that makes no sense but it seems to be the spot consistent with the others.
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Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: StorminN on November 22, 2014, 01:37:30 PM
Looking very good, Shinnlinger!

-N.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: loggah on November 23, 2014, 05:45:34 PM
I have a number of axe handle patterns, and old axe handles made an old timer in town. Ralph Bump was my neighbor and was in his 80's when he died around 15 years ago. He had a small sawmill ,and mined mica over the years his family lived in town for several generations,they had a steam sawmill set up years ago,have a covered bridge and large interval named for them. Heres a few pictures of the patterns and handles,you got to pick them out from the rest of the junk. ;D The patterns are under the poster.

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Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on November 23, 2014, 05:50:42 PM
I'm trying to figure out how long of a drive it is to New Hampshire. :)
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: loggah on November 23, 2014, 06:34:35 PM
I think it would be a long day !!!! ;D 12 hrs from here to Washington D.C. no idea S. Carolina. ;D
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 23, 2014, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on November 23, 2014, 05:50:42 PM
I'm trying to figure out how long of a drive it is to New Hampshire. :)




Where to far away,You would not last that long without gRITS :D :D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 24, 2014, 07:25:31 PM
A guy I work with is a lurker on this forum and is excited about seeing your Lombard (as am I) so we will probably try to bug you for a visit soon.  He has a JD 350 and likes the old iron.

Stuck my handle back on a lathe today and parted off the snout some.  I haven't quite figured how to add the cleat but I might not need to at this juncture.  Hope to do some milling this weekend and will try it as is and modify as necessary.

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Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: Magicman on November 24, 2014, 07:43:33 PM
I would certainly recommend the cleat on the nose.  It gives you much more control when the "nose" bites into the log.


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I even widened the cleat on one of my Logrites.  I need to do the others.


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This old welded on cleat was perfect.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 24, 2014, 08:10:21 PM
That is helpful, I could cut up some flat stock with some tips like yours and lag it to the end.  I hadn't thought of making it wider but that is a good idea. 

Thanks. 

Dave
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: loggah on November 24, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
Dave, i'm around pretty much,give me a call sometime and well set a time. 536-3740. Don
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: bandmiller2 on November 24, 2014, 08:54:41 PM

Shinlinger, I make very serviceable pickaroons  from old picks I find or buy at the flea markets. I use an oxy-acet torch cut one point off and shape the other with the torch and anvil. I have found a pyramid point the best. The tapered handles are strong and won't pull out of the head. Frank C.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: bandmiller2 on November 24, 2014, 08:57:48 PM
Poston, be aware its a long trip to New Hampshire, and its all up hill just look at a map. Frank C.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: Peter Drouin on November 24, 2014, 09:13:06 PM
Quote from: bandmiller2 on November 24, 2014, 08:57:48 PM
Poston, be aware its a long trip to New Hampshire, and its all up hill just look at a map. Frank C.



:D :D :D :D :D smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 24, 2014, 09:27:22 PM
 Frank,

I would love to see a pic of your pick!
I can see how that would work and I have some picks laying around.

Dave
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: thecfarm on November 25, 2014, 06:00:45 AM
POSTON,better put a winter jacket on and bring a shovel. The shovel is for snow by the way.  ;D
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: bandmiller2 on November 25, 2014, 07:09:51 AM
Dave, sorry on the picture thing. Best thing is to look at a commercial wood handle pickaroon and copy the head. A slight curve and a pyramid point. You would need a special lathe to make a pick handle, one with a tracer. There are many picks laying around as their seldom used anymore. Frank C.
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on November 25, 2014, 11:20:10 AM
Quote from: thecfarm on November 25, 2014, 06:00:45 AM
POSTON,better put a winter jacket on and bring a shovel. The shovel is for snow by the way.  ;D

:D
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: WmFritz on November 25, 2014, 02:18:33 PM
Quote from: thecfarm on November 25, 2014, 06:00:45 AM
POSTON,better put a winter jacket on and bring a shovel. The shovel is for snow by the way.  ;D

Ray, if Poston is coming for a visit, you better get two shovels warmed up. He'll need one for digging snow and You'll need one for the other stuff he spreads.    :)
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: thecfarm on November 25, 2014, 08:30:24 PM
That is why I said it's for snow.  ;)   
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: Jim_Rogers on November 26, 2014, 02:08:55 PM
I recently took in a "cant hook" on consignment to sell it for a fellow. It is brand new and has as best I can tell never hooked into a log or cant.
I can take a picture with a ruler behind it if you need measurements, just let me know.

Jim Rogers
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: shinnlinger on November 27, 2014, 12:40:10 AM
I don't see how it could hurt this thread Jim.....
Title: Re: Where would you cut the nose on an old cant hook?
Post by: Jim_Rogers on November 27, 2014, 08:19:29 PM
Here they are:



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10095/Cant_hook-1.JPG) 



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10095/Cant_hook-2.JPG)



 (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10095/Cant_hook-3.JPG)

I haven't measured the length of the handle, yet. But if this is "model 50" the handle could be 50" long. It is a tall one for sure.

I don't know if these help you or not.

Jim Rogers