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Re: The Feed Crop, Grain, Forage and Soil Health Thread
« Reply #320 on: November 19, 2021, 07:25:59 PM »
Keep at it Mike. You can produce good pure food with no chemical inputs as your research has shown. Sometimes I get bogged down and over complicate things...  It really is simple and folks did it for a long long time. We have never and will never put any chemical big ag junk in on or around our food production areas and end up with bumper crops. Compost, organic matter, fungus, "weeds"!, Nitrogen fixers and supplemental water when needed. 

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« Reply #321 on: November 19, 2021, 07:27:07 PM »
way way beyond my pay scale.
no sir, this one is pro bono as always !
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thanks for the vote of confidence MFer  ( ;D )  wheres your pics man dont be shy
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« Reply #322 on: November 19, 2021, 07:48:36 PM »
Here you go



 

This was a quick last minute cleanup before hard frost. No big deal, right?

Well we didn't even bother to plant tomatoes, squash or peppers this year. Two years in a row we have had to "weed" things that others would be spending money on seed for. Hundreds of tomato plants this year. Thinned down to 25 and moved around. Had four volunteer pepper plants that sprouted on their own and grew bunches Bunches of red peppers. I can't even manage that sometimes starting them inside in February. There is a seed bed, like the woods. The secret is unexpectedly almost always pigs  ;D




 

 






 

 


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« Reply #323 on: November 20, 2021, 02:55:41 AM »
Heck yeah!  Looks great.  Thats some big maters. 

This past year i had volunteer squash, beans, pepper and tomato. 
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« Reply #324 on: November 20, 2021, 05:06:28 AM »
I usually pull tomato 'weeds', like pulling lambs quarters. :D

I start my peppers in April and maters I should start in May. This year it was April for the tomatoes, but way too early. :D Peppers are a lot slower than tomatoes. But I had pepper stalks like woody saplings before I finally pulled them 'late' last month that frost had never hit. How many peppers do you want to eat?? ;D  Surplus of winter squash, gonna have to cook and freeze some, pies for some to. :)
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« Reply #325 on: November 20, 2021, 07:21:37 AM »
Mudfarmer your produce looks great. Keep up the good work. 

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« Reply #326 on: November 20, 2021, 07:48:14 AM »
dave brandt is the guy youll likely see holding 3ft daikon radishes if you google them. seeds with a corn planter on 4 inch spacing with winter pea in between the radish rows to feed the radish nitrogen needs.  he says they actually lift dirt. these things are about 3" diameter.

terminates with a roller and no herbicide then plants the corn right into the radish row because he has found that the radish tillage produces avg 2 warmer and about 2% dryer soil than the row of peas.

he mentioned buckwheat as a summer cover for its ability to strip phosphorus from rocks and i looked into it. SARE says buckwheat secretes amino acids that unlock phosphorus, 10x more than barley and 3x more than rye.  its good to plant after forest clearing so i have a sack in the shed for this coming season.

https://www.sare.org/publications/managing-cover-crops-profitably/nonlegume-cover-crops/buckwheat/#:~:text=Phosphorus%20scavenger.,release%20nutrients%20from%20the%20soil.
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« Reply #327 on: November 20, 2021, 12:13:46 PM »
Thanks! It is working so we will keep it up and expand until (more) uncomfortable and then dial back to our sweet spot. Almost 1/4 acre this year between two plots, plus 10x20 kitchen garden and 2x isolated 8x8 raised beds for seed production. We will hit 1/2 acre on three plots next year and suspect it will be a bit too much without help or giving up some other things. Ebb and flow, go where the wind takes us. Or maybe a 1/4 acre of spuds. We are historic potato ground (well not our place), was a starch mill on the river a mile away. Nothing like what swampdonkey talks about up there though! They do pretty well here and I put in a lot this year.

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« Reply #328 on: November 20, 2021, 12:32:57 PM »
Doing what you can manage and manage well while pushing the limits a bit in my opinion is the spot to be at in agriculture. Getting into more than you Can manage is a downward vacuum and potentially a mental, physical and financially draining experience. Every situation is different everywhere you go. Again nice work and keep at it 👍

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« Reply #329 on: November 20, 2021, 01:01:35 PM »
Well I just checked my sorghum and that one patch is still green and juicy! After multiple frost its all dry brown except that. You guys that know about sorghum do you think Id be safe if I just cut that patch down and through it out of the pasture? Then the cows would be on just dry dead stuff. 

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« Reply #330 on: November 20, 2021, 01:08:10 PM »
Wish I could help you out, my mind is saying it would be okay. However please dont do it based solely on that.  Ill bet with a couple pictures Southside could give some good advice. Hes got real world experience with it and a bunch of it to boot. 

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« Reply #331 on: November 20, 2021, 01:15:49 PM »
I dont think he needs pictures. Its green in color and when bent over your finger foamy juice runs out. I just dont know if the prussic acid is released even though its still wet. 

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« Reply #332 on: November 20, 2021, 04:34:57 PM »
Well I couldnt take it. I went out with a saw and cut down the bad spots. Hopefully that speeds it up a bunch.

 


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« Reply #333 on: November 20, 2021, 06:12:25 PM »
That picture dosen't scare me at all. Do you have a hay mower? If so and you aren't comfortable then knock it down, wait three days and it will be fine. 
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« Reply #334 on: November 20, 2021, 06:21:35 PM »
That picture dosen't scare me at all. Do you have a hay mower? If so and you aren't comfortable then knock it down, wait three days and it will be fine.
Which one? The top picture you can seen one of the green patches I cut down. The bottom is the green area. 99% of it doesnt scare me either. So your saying if I cut the green stuff 3 days is sufficient for it to dry down and be safe for them to graze? I really need to move them by this coming weekend. I have a heifer to sort off and a steer to butcher so I need the third pasture space. Farming 🤦‍♂️ 😂 

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« Reply #335 on: November 20, 2021, 06:27:18 PM »
Neither picture, and yes, mow it, give it three days and any prussic acid will  be gone. 
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« Reply #336 on: November 20, 2021, 06:36:38 PM »
Im not mowing the field. Im not set up for that. Its set up for grazing. I cut the green patches with a chainsaw lol

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« Reply #337 on: December 04, 2021, 12:06:14 PM »
saw a 5ft seed drill in the parking lot at rural king so i took a look.  $3k and its already broken.  these should hold up in the sun for a decade right?  our vacuum cleaner uses tougher hoses. 






have learned a lot more the past week or two but not had to time to paraphrase it.  "rhizophagy cycle" unlocks the secret to about 30% of plant growth.  the plant roots actually suck bacterial cells into them and excrete them back out continually.
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« Reply #338 on: December 04, 2021, 07:06:51 PM »
Several drills on Craigslist  around here for a third of that. They were built in the 40's and 50's  they will still get the job done, that new one looks like   far east junk. 

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« Reply #339 on: December 04, 2021, 07:20:45 PM »
Those old drills are out there and very often need very little to be put into service.


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