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Title: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 02, 2012, 09:24:53 PM
I finally got to make some headway on my road trip Cypress sawing job and sawed out 9228 bf in 4 days.  There are at least 3 more days sawing left, so I'll just go back next week.  I counted at least 30 more logs to saw.
 

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End of the first day.
 

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Handling the logs.
 

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45" Butt Cypress log.
 

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One trailer load already gone, a second one loaded, and there is still lumber everywhere.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: WDH on February 02, 2012, 09:33:30 PM
I bet that cypress saws sweet.  A little pecan will make a tougher man out of you  :D. 

Looks like you were rocking and rolling.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: redbeard on February 02, 2012, 09:44:13 PM
Nice level spot with plenty of room to work, Also some nice looking logs you have been busy!
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: captain_crunch on February 02, 2012, 10:31:41 PM
M_M
western Junipur is a cypress of a form and it saws like butter How did yours saw ???
Brian
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 02, 2012, 10:55:02 PM
It saws very easily, but this was so wet, that it clogged everything up.   :-\   It will completely fill the blade housing in a couple of hours.

This was my first major sawing job since I became Logrite equipped; Link (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,52336.msg754979.html#msg754979)
Added my Fine Adjust Outriggers;
Link (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,54752.msg789646.html#msg789646)
And added my "Fast Forward";
Link (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,52590.msg758392.html#msg75839)

I was very pleased with each of them.  Having 3 Logrites, no one was fighting over who got to use one.  The soil is wet and soft where I am sawing, so just giving it a twist was so much better/easier that the old jack.  The Fast Forward is super for zipping to the far end of the sawmill for a quick measurement.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Bill Gaiche on February 02, 2012, 10:59:27 PM
Quite a road trip huh? Making a lot of lumber. Did customer tell you what he was using it for? Be carefull and have fun, bg
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Okrafarmer on February 02, 2012, 11:47:28 PM
I milled one cypress tree last year. Nice lumber, easy sawing, except having to try to cut rectangular boards out of a cone-shaped object. Cypress have the same problem as some people I know-- a 45-inch butt and 12" abh!  :o
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Meadows Miller on February 03, 2012, 04:11:37 AM
 Gday

Looking bloody good there  ;) ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) Good average per day too  ;) I take it you had a couple off blokes tailing or just one goodun  ???

Regards Chris
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: tcsmpsi on February 03, 2012, 05:50:24 AM
Geewhillickers, Magicman!   Running in to a whack of cypress like that is....blessed.   ;D

I like sawing cypress, though have only been able to a couple times.  Are you getting to keep any of it?

I have become very accustomed to the mesh wheel covers on my mill, and have already considered that no matter what bandmill I might get, I will incorporate them to it.  Only drawback to them I have seen, is if one is needing to chute their sawdust to a confined location, and maybe a fraction longer blade changing. 

Glad to see you able to work your upgrades in such a prime manner.   ;)
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 03, 2012, 07:14:30 AM
This customer is building a 3600+ sq. ft. lodge.  There will be only 2 beams; one 14"X14" and one 8"X10".

The off bearing help has been  ::)  not so good.  Actually, one very good and two very bad.  It has not slowed me down too much, just frustrating.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on February 03, 2012, 08:03:25 AM
Well MAGIC.....you told us you had some big jobs coming up. DanG if you didn't hit the nail on the head!

"SAW-SAFE" and and may your blade saw 1 more board!  :)
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: paul case on February 03, 2012, 09:21:45 AM
Yeah, my normal offbearer is an old jerk that has to have his way and is slow and is always the bottleneck of the operation.  ;D  But when my 17 yo son, Scott, is there things run smooth as silk.
A good offbearer makes all the difference. PC
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Chuck White on February 03, 2012, 09:30:09 AM
Glad to hear you're out there sawin' MM.

I have a few things I want to get done on my mill, then I'll be ready to hit the road again!

I have a few jobs lined up to start sawing in the Spring.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 03, 2012, 09:59:20 AM
I had to get busy because I still have 18 sawing jobs ahead of me.  :o   Most are small 1-3 day jobs, but three are large.  According to the customer, my next one on the list is about 80 logs.  I hope that he can't count.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Meadows Miller on February 03, 2012, 10:10:01 AM
I love sawing Cypress as you notice our suff here In OZ is monterey cypress Im actually on My last job off it here that Im going to miss sawing it as I would have sawn about  2 to 2.5 million bft off it over the years I love sawing the stuff  ;) ;D 8)  Cypress you get in The South is some bloody good sawing as I found out at Jakes ;) where abouts in MS are you sawing Lynn as look about as good as they could get ??? I promise I wont tell  Mate ;) :D :D :D ;D
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Meadows Miller on February 03, 2012, 10:13:00 AM
I had to get busy because I still have 18 sawing jobs ahead of me.  :o   Most are small 1-3 day jobs, but three are large.  According to the customer, my next one on the list is about 80 logs.  I hope that he can't count.

Sounds Like good going Mate and I Just happen know a keen young bloke who will be getting a Brand Spakin New Lt40 Shortly and Would love to come over and give you a hand Mate  ;) :D ;D ;D ;D 8) 8)
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 03, 2012, 10:47:29 AM
The problem with my next job is that it is in Lumberton, (South of Hattiesburg) which is about 100 miles from me, and the customer does not have sleeping arrangements for me.

Driving 200 miles per day or staying in a motel are both profit killers.   :-\   Yes, I do have a tent and sleeping bag, but I gotta have a shower each day and I don't wanta haveta use this.
 

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Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: steve marek on February 03, 2012, 10:57:58 AM
I was just wondering how good your fine ajust outriggers work and are worth it. I do alot of sawing on sight
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: eastberkshirecustoms on February 03, 2012, 11:00:14 AM
Hey MM, you could just rig that up in the back of that nice Toyota! Shouldn't you be out whacking at that whack o cypress?  ;D  Nice lumber, keep the pic's coming...
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 03, 2012, 01:33:08 PM
Steve, Before my "Personal Best Win", I had already decided to add two FAO's.  The ones in front of and behind the axle on the operator's side.  They carry the majority of the load, tend to sink more, and are the hardest to access to adjust.  After the win, I added the third.  Even with the big foot, placing a board under them when setting up on soft ground is advisable.

My opinion is that they are absolutely worth the $$$ especially if you are portable.  It is so easy to just give one a turn instead of having to make a whole click, and digging an outrigger in to keep the top below the saw deck is history. 

Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 03, 2012, 01:38:57 PM
Shouldn't you be out whacking at that whack o cypress?  ;D  Nice lumber, keep the pic's coming...

Thanks.  Rain all day today and tomorrow.   That, plus the old man needed a break.   ;)   The forecast shows clear next week.   :) 
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: steve marek on February 03, 2012, 02:59:48 PM
magicman
thanks for info looks like i be talking wm for a set
                                              steve
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: chain on February 04, 2012, 09:57:23 AM
Truly amazing, I did't know they made that stuff [cypress] anymore! I know you are honored to saw-up such a hsitoric and rare set of logs that once was the mainstay in lumber species in this region.

We use to tear down old farm houses, nearly every house was framed and walled with cypress. With care we would pry off the wide boards and 2Xs so to use or sell as lots of folks liked to use for a naturally weathered and rustic appearance.

One interesting thing I've noticed about Bald Cypress at least around these parts is beaver do not like to cut or knaw on the trunks, thus preserving the charm of ancient cypress-lined bayous and old river chutes.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Okrafarmer on February 04, 2012, 10:57:22 AM
Chain, if you go over to western Kentucky, you can find some baldcypress there. I saw several near the place where Kentucky Lake and Lake Barkley go over their dam to enter the Ohio.

They don't grow wild too much right around where I live, but they do grow when planted in yards. I have two marketable ones in my yard, in fact. They are healthy and relatively straight so I am leaving them for now.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 04, 2012, 02:16:47 PM
Anytime they are growing even in a slightly wet area where the roots can't "breath" they will put up "Cypress Knees".  That is why folks in low lying areas can't use them as ornamental trees because the knees are hard to mow.   :-\
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Okrafarmer on February 04, 2012, 03:45:31 PM
My two are on relatively high ground, and have not put up any knees. They also have modestly proportioned bases, which I am thankful for, whenever I do get around to milling them. Around here, a lot of people use mulch beds around their yard trees, which eliminates the need to mow.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 04, 2012, 04:26:40 PM
Swell butts and knees are typical of trees that grow in and close to water.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: chain on February 05, 2012, 08:31:28 AM
We have a couple of yard cypress one of which puts up knees everywhere; we've mowed them over so many times now they're like nubbins, nearly flat on the ground. The small leaves do make a very fine mulch.

I've planted several cypress seedlings in a lake area but the willow cover limits their growth. In times of flood the beaver will come in and snip an occasional sprig but so far have never cut the older cypress.

Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 05, 2012, 08:53:46 AM
Beavers will cut 6" saplings, but they will quickly butt sprout.  I had a 12' tree cut several years ago.  Today, it is the same height as the other trees and you can hardly tell that it suffered a beaver whacking.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: fat olde elf on February 06, 2012, 01:55:16 AM
Great stuff.... MM, you are THE Man......
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 07, 2012, 08:57:34 PM
Finished.  12,103bf in 5 days sawing.  I also had 4.5 hours of "hourly rate" for some special stuff.   ;D
 

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The last whack stack.
 

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I left the sticker crew busy.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Bill Gaiche on February 07, 2012, 09:45:07 PM
Glad its them and not me. Good job MM. bg
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: WDH on February 07, 2012, 10:11:01 PM
You never have enough stickers  :).
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 07, 2012, 10:27:47 PM
In addition to the "edging" stickers, I sawed a 20" SYP log (8') into nothing but stickers.  I would hate to have to drive all of the way back up there just to saw stickers.   :-\
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: sandhills on February 07, 2012, 10:41:08 PM
DanG MM, what did you do with all your free time?  ;)  :D
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: WDH on February 07, 2012, 10:42:41 PM
It must be nice to "Saw em and leave em."  Stacking and stickering lumber is a lot of work  :). 
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Silver_Eagle on February 07, 2012, 10:56:23 PM
Very impressive Magicman, thank you for sharing. Stories like this make me want to get back out there and go to work now.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 07, 2012, 11:13:01 PM
"Saw em and leave em" is the reason that I do portable sawmilling.   ;D 
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: eastberkshirecustoms on February 08, 2012, 12:39:44 AM
"Saw em and leave em"
You're kinda like a lumber gigalo  ;D
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Norm on February 08, 2012, 06:42:59 AM
Now that's a bunch of sawing MM, nice job!
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 08, 2012, 01:31:07 PM
Thanks guys.  My next "road trip" job is 100+ miles in the opposite direction and is supposed to be 80 logs.  If no rain, I will leave Wednesday, so we shall see.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 08, 2012, 08:32:12 PM
I had overlooked a couple of pictures of the largest log.  It had a butt flair that measured 45".
 

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45" Cypress butt flair.
 

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After it had been Bibbyed (gun barreled) down.  The bottom and lower right sides will be trimmed further as I rotate the log.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Cutting Edge on February 08, 2012, 10:28:58 PM
Hey MM, what happened to the "chaps" you bought for sawin' in?  Would have been a good time to give'm the debut!!!

Thanks for the pics...you weren't kiddin when you said you had a big job comin up.   

"Saw em and leave em"
You're kinda like a lumber gigalo  ;D

Gotta Love It!!!
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on February 08, 2012, 10:51:08 PM
Good observance.  The chaps were on and protected my jeans, but I do not know that I can give up the leather apron.   ;D
Title: Nother whack o cypress
Post by: pineywoods on March 08, 2012, 10:58:51 PM
Here's todays whack o cypress.

 

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Got some pecky boards out of one of the logs..hi dollar stuff
 

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Here's the rest of the pile. All dry logs, been piled in the log yard for 1 to 2 years.  Sawing dry cypress is nothing like cutting the green stuff. About like sawing dry cedar..

 

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Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: cypresskayaksllc on March 08, 2012, 11:03:27 PM
Who knows how many critters make that stack home. Nice looking pile.
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: POSTON WIDEHEAD on March 09, 2012, 08:21:22 AM
$$$$$$$$$$ smiley_thumbsup
Title: Re: Whack O Cypress
Post by: Magicman on March 09, 2012, 08:42:04 AM
Cypress is a fun wood to saw, especially above the butt flair.

I have one more Cypress job on my list.  There are about a dozen tree length, so the number of saw logs will depend upon the buck length.  I have seen the logs and they are nice.  The customer is building a new home, so I imagine that there will be some beams.   smiley_thumbsup