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Re: Deer Salt
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2021, 08:01:33 PM »
if i can keep it a secret from my neighbor buddies on the next ridge!   :D


the bachelors are self segregating into varsity and JV.  heres some little guys.


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and heres the big boys.  a few vids had mature bucks running off young ones.


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the solo stud

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look at the neck, shoulder and hams on this guy considering its spring and hes probably lost 20-30% of his rutting mass.


big hocks


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theres a bean field somewhere missing a lot of crop!



That buck isnít even fully in his prime. I can only tell because one in the prime of life (or past) usually has some sway in his back. Itís still looking to be a nice trophy, because a trophy is what I define as: a great challenge accomplished by the individual. You should have fun no matter what happens. 
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« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2021, 08:09:23 PM »
Given the chance i will gladly make him prime rib. 
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« Reply #62 on: May 17, 2021, 10:26:37 PM »
Wife wanted to go see my paradise so we checked on the foodplot and made sure camera was still there.  No big bucks on this batch but another 40 or so vids of healthy pregnant does and a few juvenile bucks pushing up antlers.    A deer popped up and trotted off after wed been there 40 minutes or more on a running quad.    


The lick is all rutted up. Pretty soon i will re-salt it then probably pull my camera for the summer and stay out until its time to seed in the winter crop.  Probably radish, turnip, winter wheat and rutabega.

Ive got another plot spot on a sunny mid-slope bench picked out.  Its below the lick, which is on a high staging area just a bit into the woods from the pasture edge.  The lick and both plots are basically in a line downhill to a year round creek in a deep bottom.  quite a few ways one could hike to it pending wind conditions.  Lots of good trees for a stand but also easy to hunt from the ground thanks to elevation.
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« Reply #63 on: May 18, 2021, 09:17:13 AM »
young preggo.  





i fixed the timestamp and have seen a definite 7am and 7pm trend in the group movements.  middle of the night seems to be more solo deer.  my presence doesnt seem to be much deterrent.  theyre back on it 3 hours after i leave. 



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« Reply #64 on: May 26, 2021, 12:23:46 PM »
so yesterday i finally got a huge cervid compliment ive wanted for a long time.


id loaded my poor tired donkey down with everything but the kitchen sink and headed out to the woods with new dog, pity.  being a wild dog, she disappears and reappears as she wants and i will let her back in the gate whenever she shows up, that sorta thing.  she takes off and im puttering down my logging road to cross my back 4 acres alone.  when i get to this mud hole that is presently a dried up winter creek, i get off to check for tracks, whether by 2 or 4 legged manufacture.  





i shut quad off and call for pity a few times, listening quietly.  then walk to the front of the quad staring down at the mud for tracks ...





when crash bam boom crunch slam RIGHT next to me.. i even started to blurt out "there you are girl" when i look up to see a big brown rump and velvet main beams darting out of the dry creek thicket about 15 feet over.  it took a minute to sink in.  i rode a metallic clanging quad down my main trail for about 3 minutes to get here.  the buck stayed bedded harder than any other deer bumping i have ever encountered.  nothing sticks to a bed like that unless it is really dang comfy. and IT WAS ON MY LAND.  4 acres in a thousand.. not even a postage stamp.  wow.  i am flattered.  


so i poke around a bit to find the exact spot hes been sleeping in, and its a bed i made myself thats never been inhabited before.  right there against the log at my finger tip.  i hinge cut the trash into a shade cathedral with 3 ways of egress, right next to a most of summer water feature, down in a trough with good cover all around, and now some very healthy little forage plots and some mineral salt within 200 yards i guess.  i rooted up and raked out the exact spot he lays in, and im in this area all the time now preparing a home site, yet he beds there despite me.  very cool feeling.  








i went out to the spot a mile away and resalted the mineral site, put down a sack of corn with 3lbs of alfalfa pelleted safe-guard dewormer.  $8.50 for the corn and $11.xx for the dewormer.  next round i will spray the corn with ivermectin for the next treatment approaching fall to help kill off the ticks and bot fly larvae as well as intestinal worms.

i watered and slightly fertilized my food plot seedlings that are struggling with hot and dry in a very thin topsoil over rocky clay.  then used a pulp hook to poke holes to interseed soybean i grew last year, and hydrated in a bag of water from that morning, supposedly very important for good germination.   AG research shows soybean yields are best when planted as early as possible after frost, and that 1.75" is the ideal planting depth to balance good rooting and a quick sprout time. i have low expectations but wont know if i dont try.


checked the camera and as always plenty of action, mostly at night and almost exclusively by pregnant does at this point.  no more bucks.  i dont know if its that they dont have the need for the salt or they just cant stand the obvious human interference.  all the does look quite healthy and ready to drop.  havent seen any fawns yet but looking forward to it.  eager to see what all eats the corn pile.
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« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2021, 12:42:35 PM »
Just get the camera ready, itís going to be a wild ride!
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« Reply #66 on: June 06, 2021, 04:34:13 PM »
well. im learning a lot. 

 i finally got the quad back together and went out to pull my cam.  sort of a big surprise.. most of a corn pile sitting right there sprouted over from the rains i guess.  i made the initial decision that they must not have been willing to eat it because of the pelletized safeguard intermixed in the pile.   knocked the sticky pile apart and scattered it around hoping they eat a bit more and maybe even that a few volunteer stalks take root. it was fermenting and hot and moldy.  the top layer was rooting in the lower layers like a growth media.  ive seen this before in a box of soybean that sprouted too. 

so i grabbed a clump of hearty green sprouted seed and figured what the heck, planted it into my struggling young food plot then went home.  


checked the cam and was surprised again.  130 vids in about 10 days. when the coons, crows, wind and nothings were deleted id say there was 70 deer vids.  no fawns yet, one or two big fat preggers, one or two new does looking pretty ragged and scrawny, one might have mites thinning its fur.  then a pile of bucks, day and night.  definitely getting chewed up by face flies and various pests.  caught a few good dominant buck runs other buck off segments, and nearly one fight.  also a lot of bucks eating side by side with a coon.  that sorta stuff.  

their antlers are growing fast, id say over an inch per week.  the biggest ones are presently around 3inch of main beam and a cluster at the tops looking like a knuckle or a twig bud, ready to branch into tines.  theyre all still taking in salt and quite a few picked over the corn pile even as it turned green with sprouts.  but yet at least 3/4 of the sack remained. 


so i guess theres a bunch of factors. the safegard pellets may have been one turnoff.  then the constant click of a camera right in front of it probably unsettled another contingent of them from staying very long.  add in the smell and maybe poor flavor as the pile sprouted and fermented.  and finally the thousand or so acres of massive, massive lush browse, both forested and ripe in pasture.  theres just so much other food. 


so $20 ventured and i got my moneys worth in education.  adjustments i will make from here are switching to ivomec sprayed onto the corn instead of the safe guard pellets.  now i cant say they didnt eat the pellets because i didnt find any but how do i know they werent cherry picked by the crow or coon or ants? or that they didnt melt in the rain.  the deer may have eaten them but i cant be sure either way.  with spray treated corn there is no question, if its eaten there getting it.  also the ivomec/ivermectin will kill arthopods, ticks, chiggers, mites, bot fly larvae and worms of the intestines and heart so thats a lot of relief if youre a deer. 


i will not feed corn again unless the foliage is gone, and i will not pile it to ferment so fast again either.  ill lay it out in several long thin rows. thatll help more deer get in on it too, rather than just the dominant one crowding the pile for itself.   

will get some pics up later. 
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« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2021, 10:29:45 AM »




This is the worst looking deer ive seen on my camera and im thinking it migrated in solo based on it being alone and never seeing before.  All the regulars are in good health. I hope it got some dewormer.  I suspect its got mange,  zooming in on the laptop shows the same patchy dry skin that the new rescue dog was suffering from.  These are just pics of the laptop screen to save me the grief of importing. 






I guess thats what hydroponic corn sprouts look like!  I brought a glob home and filled the empty space in my garden with the heartiest shoots.











 




















Note the coon bottom left.  I bet that little fatty is free of worms cuz he hit that pile constantly!







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« Reply #68 on: July 20, 2021, 11:30:01 PM »
Theyve excavated about 6 inches of salt flavored dirt so far.



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« Reply #69 on: July 21, 2021, 05:28:39 PM »
Donít worry Mike, Iíve seen them dig it down fairly consistently to about 1í. Your hole is JUST beginning 🤨
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« Reply #70 on: July 21, 2021, 05:43:01 PM »
Theyve excavated about 6 inches of salt flavored dirt so far.


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Should try putting some salt on a old stump see how they do, make some chainsaw slits into it so you can dump salt into it, wonder if they could be natural stump grinders lol
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« Reply #71 on: July 21, 2021, 09:34:43 PM »
They will do some damage to a stump!! I have not put one out in years.
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« Reply #72 on: September 07, 2021, 02:00:27 PM »
Excavation update. 

Late July




Early September



These guys are serious about mineral!
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« Reply #73 on: September 08, 2021, 09:58:10 AM »
Iím definitely trying to drill some holes in stumps now and pouring that stuff in
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« Reply #74 on: September 08, 2021, 10:58:30 AM »
i personally would ring it around your stumps so that the deer excavate the root system out and make a bowl around it.  then the rainwater will be pooled around and let the microbial action weaken the main roots so they can just be snapped off with a winch and choker cable.  

deer can eat dirt a lot easier than they can eat wood. ive been using the little backhoe to dig little pool rings around big stumps and its pretty fast that they turn punky.   
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« Reply #75 on: September 08, 2021, 11:04:37 AM »
ive been reading this old study about the critical nature of salt in all livestock diets.

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it appears that a lot of cannibalism in high stress confinement animals might just be the seeking of salt to satisfy a dietary deficiency because stress demands more of it. blood is full of salt so one little taste and they dont stop nibbling. 
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« Reply #76 on: September 08, 2021, 11:15:51 AM »
i personally would ring it around your stumps so that the deer excavate the root system out and make a bowl around it.  then the rainwater will be pooled around and let the microbial action weaken the main roots so they can just be snapped off with a winch and choker cable.  

deer can eat dirt a lot easier than they can eat wood. ive been using the little backhoe to dig little pool rings around big stumps and its pretty fast that they turn punky.  
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« Reply #77 on: October 22, 2021, 09:52:47 AM »
Well boys, (and roxie)

I have been regularly maintaining and monitoring the same mineral site for 9 or 10 months now and what i can tell you is that to buy a mineral block now during hunting frenzy prices is just throwing money away.  The antlers are grown, the fawns are run off and theres just not much need for mineral right now compared to when trying to regrow a rack or a fetus.  Its acorns acorns acorns at this time down here.  Cherry picking the tastiest right now as theres a bumper crop and still fair weather, leaves are just turning.

As soon as the sheds and embryos occur lets say by jan/feb then its a mineral frenzy right through to summer. Starts tapering maybe august sept. Theyll take a few licks but not mob around fighting to eat the dirt and visiting 3x a day at all hours. Thats what theyll do to a mineral site from breeding/shedding time thru greenup.


The time to set mineral and corn is the dead of winter when theyre suffering the most,  the second it is legal to do so.  Youll be rewiring the entire herd pattern for the following year, theyll beat in new trails and staging areas and routines.  Come hunting season salt is almost useless and illegal for me.  corn is illegal but is like deer crack once the leaves and acorns are gone so its tough to pattern if youve got a poacher hiding corn sacks nearby.. Very common in my area. Shifts behavior.

Butfor the legal guy.. the pattern from mineral that is timed to best benefit the deer rather than the hunter is still there when hunting season arrives.   The seeking buck is gonna snort all over the usual doe grounds lookin for love. You dont need an attractant if he is wired to check all those memorable places.  Cattle research has proven a cow out on open range can remember a water or mineral site miles away. Loverboy is gonna check the usual spots, and hopefully you have left it unpressured enough that he checks it in daylight.  

Dont set mineral in fall and dont set corn in spring or summer.  Theyll both go to waste. Dead of winter is best time for both once it is legal. Youll be doing a herd a big favor. Once greenup happens theyll walk right by shelled corn. Mine sprouted in a heap while they licked salt 6 feet away.
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« Reply #78 on: October 22, 2021, 10:08:16 AM »
Salt is salt, or so I've heard!

Water softener salt is readily available and is cheap, is it just like any other salt, other than it's shape?
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« Reply #79 on: October 22, 2021, 10:37:56 AM »
Yes, salt is salt.  There is much written/believed about salt such as "Sea Salt", Kosher Salt, and whatever.  Trace elements added (iodine, etc.) or removed but:  Salt  is still salt  Kosher Salt
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