Free logs

Bruno of NH · January 29, 2015, 01:27:29 PM

got some spruce logs delivered for free from a tree service.
I know spruce is no fun to saw but will do it any way :D

Im going to wait till it warms up a little ;D
Getting soft as i get older dont like the cold as much.
I also need a double knee replacement so the cold binds up the knees .
Thanks Jim /Bruno of NH

Ocklawahaboy · January 29, 2015, 02:13:03 PM

I get plenty of free logs but never delivered free. Enjoy.

bandmiller2 · January 29, 2015, 03:23:16 PM

Its good form to get to know the tree service guys, many times they want to get rid of stuff too large to chip. Most are open to deals where they get some lumber and hardwoods for truck racks and beds. Frank C.

DeerMeadowFarm · January 29, 2015, 03:24:23 PM

No sawing experience (yet), but why is Spruce no fun to saw? ???

Bruno of NH · January 29, 2015, 03:41:08 PM

DMFarm
The knots in spruce make it hard to saw
You can get some wavy cuts
I have sawn it before with 10 degree bands
I now have some 7 and 8 degree bands hope it saws better
Jim/Bruno

shinnlinger · January 29, 2015, 06:51:18 PM

You might find it actually saws better when frozen as the softwood is hard like the knots....

shinnlinger · January 29, 2015, 06:52:22 PM

No lube or pitch issues either...

fishfighter · January 29, 2015, 07:10:30 PM

What is that white stuff covering your logs?

Sun shine and 77F here today. Got a little burnt. :D

Bruno of NH · January 29, 2015, 07:22:59 PM

We got 2-4 more inches of it coming for Friday !
It's that time of year .
Jim/Bruno

4x4American · January 29, 2015, 07:25:54 PM

I've found that norway spruce saws really easy. I sawed out some frozen ones (I mean covered in ice and boards sticking together right after you sawed them frozen).

Peter Drouin · January 29, 2015, 07:29:09 PM

Quote from: Bruno of NH on January 29, 2015, 03:41:08 PM
DMFarm
The knots in spruce make it hard to saw
You can get some wavy cuts
I have sawn it before with 10 degree bands
I now have some 7 and 8 degree bands hope it saws better
Jim/Bruno

Just need a sharp blade, will cut fine

4x4American · January 29, 2015, 07:30:00 PM

haha I just read above what shinnlinger said. That makes sense, as the reason it deflects is because you're going from soft wood to hard knots. As tim cook says, it is easier for a band to saw straight through hard knots, as long as the 5 factors are properly adjusted.

From my house it looks like you may have some black blotches on the end of your logs? That is indicative of metal. Be careful be careful

Peter Drouin · January 29, 2015, 09:00:59 PM

Quote from: 4x4American on January 29, 2015, 07:30:00 PM
haha I just read above what shinnlinger said. That makes sense, as the reason it deflects is because you're going from soft wood to hard knots. As tim cook says, it is easier for a band to saw straight through hard knots, as long as the 5 factors are properly adjusted.

From my house it looks like you may have some black blotches on the end of your logs? That is indicative of metal. Be careful be careful

It deflects because the blade is dull.

4x4American · January 29, 2015, 09:34:00 PM

Yea you're rite

Southside · January 29, 2015, 09:42:01 PM

Quote from: 4x4American on January 29, 2015, 07:30:00 PM
haha I just read above what shinnlinger said. That makes sense, as the reason it deflects is because you're going from soft wood to hard knots. As tim cook says, it is easier for a band to saw straight through hard knots, as long as the 5 factors are properly adjusted.

From my house it looks like you may have some black blotches on the end of your logs? That is indicative of metal. Be careful be careful

Whaatt??? A yard tree with metal in it? I don't believe it, everybody always tells me they know nobody has ever stuck a nail in them, ever!!

4x4American · January 29, 2015, 09:48:18 PM

easy guy, you don't want to have a heart attack over it!

5quarter · January 29, 2015, 11:53:04 PM

Quote from: Peter Drouin on January 29, 2015, 09:00:59 PM
It deflects because the blade is dull.

Sharp blade is not always good enough. blade also needs .028"-.030" set and higher tension. ;)

Peter Drouin · January 30, 2015, 06:47:26 AM

Quote from: 5quarter on January 29, 2015, 11:53:04 PM
Quote from: Peter Drouin on January 29, 2015, 09:00:59 PM
It deflects because the blade is dull.

Sharp blade is not always good enough. blade also needs .028"-.030" set and higher tension. ;)

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

4x4American · January 30, 2015, 08:57:16 AM

Holy whack Peter think you got enough tension?

The guide rollers also have to be flat and the band wheels need to be properly aligned.

That's alot of set, 5 quarter. I set my Munkforsager bands to around .022 and I just talked with Cook's they told me that if I'm sawing frozen logs, the blade will clear the sawdust better if I set the bands to .015" otherwise they should be set around .018"-.022" I believe was their numbers. That's for their duratooth super sharp.

FarmingSawyer · January 30, 2015, 09:22:36 AM

Quote from: shinnlinger on January 29, 2015, 06:51:18 PM
You might find it actually saws better when frozen as the softwood is hard like the knots....

I love sawing spruce! It definitely saws better frozen. It doesn't seem to matter what degree blade is used, just that it's sharp and you adjust your feed rate to the amount/size of knots.

shinnlinger · January 30, 2015, 05:00:58 PM

Farming,

Do you know Terry Lamont in Linconville? He is actually the guy that gave me the idea to saw frozen in the first place...

FarmingSawyer · January 30, 2015, 06:44:33 PM

I know a few Lamont's in the area, but not Terry. Is he the fella on Slab City road? I go by there often......

5quarter · January 30, 2015, 11:53:38 PM

4x4, Yeah, frozen is different. you can run your Duratooth fine right out of the box. Sawing blue and Norway spruce in the fall (hundreds of knots per log >:()? Not going to happen under .025" set. I bump mine out to .028" and problem solved. I have a band hanging in the shop tagged "spruce". ;)

FarmingSawyer · January 31, 2015, 07:32:36 AM

I had an odd one yesterday....a fresh me-sharp band....I cut 2 cedars and a frozen pine no problem. Nice and flat, cutting like butter. I get to another cedar and by the end of the log the band was 3/16ths higher than the cut. I changed to another fresh me-sharp and the same thing was going on. The cedar was narrow--probably 8" and wide--around 16". It came off of a wye and had split, so it was frozen mostly through with a lot of ice in part of it.

I checked the band alignment, I re-leveled the mill. I still couldn't shake the 3/16 deviation, and on one pass through the 16" wide dimension I got a lot of wave. So I switched to a brand new SuperSharp and hey, presto! It cut like butter.

I don't know if my set was off on the other bands, or just not a quality job on the sharpening....I had to then take the wide dimension and cut it in 1/2. I was trying to get a 5-1/2" cant by whatever so I could make 1/2" lap siding for an order. I'd messed up the 5-1/2" dimension with band wander. SO I cut the flitch in to 2 5-1/2" square cants and worked my 1/2" material from the other direction. I lost about 4 boards messing around, but at lease I solved the problem and salvaged the log for some material. The next frozen cedar cut like a dream......

It didn't help that I was getting pelted with frozen rain and snow..... :D

Chuck White · January 31, 2015, 09:44:55 AM

When sawing Spruce, your feed speed has to match your band sharpness!

With a sharp band, if you're getting wavy cuts, you need to slow down a little!