Those wonderfull old Husqvarna's...model 61 Ranchers thru 272XP's

SawTroll · January 01, 2011, 08:40:27 AM

Quote from: Cut4fun on December 25, 2010, 07:18:06 PM
I had a 2 262 and case is smaller then 66 and 266. ......

Yes, the 262xp belongs to the smaller "154-family"!

weimedog · January 01, 2011, 09:09:16 AM

Nice to see you here! Folks were getting worried as you haven't posted in a while! Hope you are having a great holiday!

weimedog · January 01, 2011, 01:20:39 PM

Put a couple of tanks thru my 61/272XP hybrid...runs better with each one! Sort of runs like a...272XP! Imagine that. BUT...found some more engineering needs to be done. That opening I added right in front of the saw handle that made such a difference on cookie making operations..remember that? Well..after a morning doing real work...I opened the cover and the air box was completely packed with big fresh saw chips! Great for GTG's and challenging Jonsered 630's for one or two times cuts..not good for a work saw! SO>>>

Plan to epoxy a filter element screen from a hacked up old J-red filter to cover that opening. THEN plan to put an opening up on the ignition side of the air box...same place a stock 272XP has one..along with that little tube 272's have. Also will rivet a rubber flap behind the clutch on the clutch cover to help deflect saw chips down & away from the saw..ala J-red 920's. I'll post pics when done in a day or so...(Unless better idea's show up here first! And I Zig instead of Zag!)

The lesson here is one that we will all learn every time we hack up a saw..to make it a real usable tool, you have to engineer or re-engineer from air box to exhaust! Some times its hard to second guess the REAL engineer's, so just be prepared to mod the mods..to make it a useful saw puzzle project!

weimedog · January 02, 2011, 07:56:57 AM

First attempt to solve the issue of the air box filling with chips ...epoxied in a rubber flap & screw as well on the inside of the clutch cover....turns out there was a section broken from a thrown chain and let chips dust go straight back & up thru the clearance between the tank/handle and saw cases. AND epoxied a screen on the inside of the cover where I had cut the opening larger right in front of the handle...window screen..won't block dust but will the big chips. AND cut a hole (no screen) in the cover similar to where a 272XP has one...pull start side. Pics show the flap and new hole..epoxy on screen inside looks ugly...so no pic...

Flap..

Of the three changes, my bet is the flap is most important to redirect the flow of chips from the chain down..vs. letting them go straight back...the STOCK 61 got its air thru the rear of the cover in front of the handle where I had opened things up....
(BTW also drilled a hole in the lower case right by the handle so I can get a 4mm T-handle allen wrench into that carb bolt!!!)

Its going to see two or three tanks of work 2 day.....so I'll see if it works.

Spike60 · January 02, 2011, 09:07:58 AM

Might it be easier for me to find you a nice 630??? 8)

I agree that the chip deflector was likely the main problem. But you might want to do the screen on both sides. It's fun to alter these saws, but like you, I still want it to be usable in a work environment.

Where are you cutting up there today? I wish I was up there with ya!

Cut4fun · January 02, 2011, 09:11:48 AM

Quote from: weimedog on January 01, 2011, 01:20:39 PM

Plan to epoxy a filter element screen from a hacked up old J-red filter to cover that opening.

Quote from: weimedog on January 02, 2011, 07:56:57 AM
First attempt to solve the issue of the air box filling with chips ...epoxied in a rubber flap 7 screw as well on the inside of the clutch cover....turns out there was a section broken from a thrown chain and let chips dust go straight back & up thru the clearance between the tank/handle and saw cases. AND epoxied a screen on the inside of the cover where I had cut the opening larger right in front of the handle...window screen..won't block dust but will the big chips. AND cut a hole (no screen) in the cover similar to where a 272XP has one...pull start side. Pics show the flap and new hole..epoxy on screen inside looks ugly...so no pic...

Its going to see two or three tanks of work 2 day.....so I'll see if it works.

Just so you guys know that are having problems with chips getting in your big openings for carbs to breath on your woods saws.
Outerwears pre-screen filter material sales 12"x12" and up, pieces and they can be glued on as WD stated above. Works great when converting BIG holes in covers back to a woods saw again too. ;)

http://www.powersports360.com/eshopprod_cat_6250-19113-30106_product_893201.OUTERWEARS_PRE-FILTER_SHEETS.htm?utm_source=VersaFeed&utm_medium=VersaFeed&utm_content=Outerwears+Pre-Filter+Sheets&utm_campaign=base&v_traceback=c1231_2219_f0101_1413

weimedog · January 02, 2011, 09:17:25 AM

Quote from: Spike60 on January 02, 2011, 09:07:58 AM
Might it be easier for me to find you a nice 630??? 8)

I agree that the chip deflector was likely the main problem. But you might want to do the screen on both sides. It's fun to alter these saws, but like you, I still want it to be usable in a work environment.

Where are you cutting up there today? I wish I was up there with ya!

A nice 630 would be..nice! (Did they start with the air from the flywheel area yet with those?) Going to take down some of those Beach tree's for fire wood..the one's right there by the sugar shack & up the farm road a bit..U know you are always welcome.

Spike60 · January 02, 2011, 10:13:35 AM

There were no "turbo" versions of the 630, if that's what you mean. I think the first "turbo" model was the 2051???

I think I'll take you up on that invite at some point. Some day when you plan on doing some cutting, I'll just take a ride up. No need to have it tied in with planning a GTG and all. As you know, I'm more into the work oriented vs cookie oriented events anyway.

weimedog · January 02, 2011, 10:24:38 AM

Have to feed the wood stove! So cutting is always (weather permitting) on the todo list around here! And as I said, you are always welcome.

SawTroll · January 03, 2011, 08:58:28 AM

Quote from: Spike60 on January 02, 2011, 10:13:35 AM
There were no "turbo" versions of the 630, if that's what you mean. I think the first "turbo" model was the 2051???

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I believe that is correct!

weimedog · January 04, 2011, 03:01:33 PM

One more small issue.....the fuel tank has NO vent like the later ones..so it ran like crazy then would go lean and stop. Took a carb kit, fuel line, and taking the carb off to make certain the pulse port was clear before the obvious was....obvious! So I pulled the tank/hand off....bought a 61 tank vent and hunted...for around a 1/2 hour before I realized & resigned myself to...what appeared was in fact true..no vent.

SO solution to this point is to drill a small hole and put in a Homelite duck bill vent. I wanted to drill & tap a hole for the Husqvarna vent but could not find a 8mm X1 tap any where in town......off to the woods again tomorrow. Farm chores and fixing the Step Daughters car put the 61 on the back burner for a day.

Cut4fun · January 04, 2011, 03:51:23 PM

You can also vent the old way stihl used to. Fuel line with those little metal inserts. Then like my others with a 1 way plastic inline valve like the 5000 etc. All just use line inserted. ;)

weimedog · January 05, 2011, 04:17:10 PM

Got a chance to put a tank plus a little on the old 61 after adding the vent...runs fine. No more running out of fuel after a long pull. So pulled the cover to see if it filled with chips and did a plug check....looks dark but that's intentional until I get a little time on it..and NO air box full of chips! I think we have a saw. Project complete.

ONE more issue...I'm going to see if I can put a larger clutch on this one..nothing urgent...but it seem the current configuration slips too much..not getting all the power to the chain. And the clutch looks like it doesn't have much time. Just its for a open port 30 year old 61 cc design I think.

weimedog · January 05, 2011, 05:08:03 PM

Quote from: weimedog on January 04, 2011, 03:01:33 PM
One more small issue.....the fuel tank has NO vent like the later ones..so it ran like crazy then would go lean and stop. Took a carb kit, fuel line, and taking the carb off to make certain the pulse port was clear before the obvious was....obvious! So I pulled the tank/handle off....bought a 61 tank vent and hunted...for around a 1/2 hour before I realized & resigned myself to...what appeared was in fact true..no vent.

SO solution to this point is to drill a small hole and put in a Homelite duck bill vent. I wanted to drill & tap a hole for the Husqvarna vent but could not find a 8mm X1 tap any where in town......off to the woods again tomorrow. Farm chores and fixing the Step Daughters car put the 61 on the back burner for a day.

Al_Smith · January 05, 2011, 06:51:59 PM

Quote from: Spike60 on December 30, 2010, 09:12:29 AM

I'm game to run my STOCK 630 against that new wolf in sheeps clothing you've got there. Be interesting to see the result. 630's are still the best 60cc class saw out there as far as I'm concerned. I should have run it against the 560XP prototype I had before I sent it back to Husky!

I would agree from my limited experiance that the 630 J-red is a gutsy little saw .However I wouldn't go so far as to say a stocker could out boogie a well modded say Stihl 038 Av .That's an opinion though ,depends on who worked on the Stihl I suppose .If however the Stihl were a stocker ,it's J-red no doubt .

Spike60 · January 07, 2011, 12:18:47 PM

Yeah Al, I agree that some modding will change the outcome a bit. I expect that Walt will get his revenge with that 61/272, but it might be a close one. :D

HolmenTree · January 07, 2011, 12:42:03 PM

Quote from: Al_Smith on January 05, 2011, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Spike60 on December 30, 2010, 09:12:29 AM

I'm game to run my STOCK 630 against that new wolf in sheeps clothing you've got there. Be interesting to see the result. 630's are still the best 60cc class saw out there as far as I'm concerned. I should have run it against the 560XP prototype I had before I sent it back to Husky!

I would agree from my limited experiance that the 630 J-red is a gutsy little saw .However I wouldn't go so far as to say a stocker could out boogie a well modded say Stihl 038 Av .That's an opinion though ,depends on who worked on the Stihl I suppose .If however the Stihl were a stocker ,it's J-red no doubt .

Al I owned both the 630 and 038AV and another 61cc saw the 034super. Being all 61cc the 630 out powered them all. For one thing the 630 had the large Tillotson HS carb and the 038 and 034 I owned had the little HK carb. If I remember correctly the 630 would go longer on a tank of fuel also. A 630 West coast [61cc] came out around 1986, same time as the 670.

Willard.

weimedog · January 07, 2011, 01:22:50 PM

Quote from: Spike60 on January 07, 2011, 12:18:47 PM
Yeah Al, I agree that some modding will change the outcome a bit. I expect that Walt will get his revenge with that 61/272, but it might be a close one. :D

I sort of hope I have the patience to let it run as is for a while..and see how it compares to a clear 630..Its looking to be a nice lightweight package. Its a blessing as well as a curse that this thing is so easy to take down to bones...blessing..its easy to work on..curse ..its going to be in constant build/break down cycles because it is easy!

Al_Smith · January 07, 2011, 07:12:06 PM

:D I was just spreading camal dung which was the forerunner of BS .Seriously though at a GTG you don't know whats under the cover it may or may not be a stocker .As far as an 038 AV they had a couple of carbs and will take a Bing like the mags which will push a whole lot more gas plus they mod real well . Now of course you could tweek a J-red too so who's to say what might happen .That's the fun of it though . ;D

weimedog · February 26, 2011, 12:45:01 AM

Had to bump this as a fellow wanted info...so I directed him here...and BTW, had a chance to run this down at Spike's for a while...seems to be a mature and sorted out build...

weimedog · November 24, 2013, 05:04:08 PM

Got a request relative the the 61/272 blend ... think it was in this post. If any one shows interest I will do two things, first build a focused post / thread on the 61/272 blend as I've since learned things. Take all the posts build specific posts here plus the learning curve after living with the saw and have a focused thread. Build a youtube video on the subject using another project saw....let me know

cheeves · November 24, 2013, 06:08:12 PM

Quote from: NCFarmboy on December 24, 2010, 11:40:37 AM
I agree, great old saws. Good torque in the wood. I have 5 or 6 61's, 3 or 4 266's as well as 2 late model 268's. I just tore down one 268 to replace with 272 P&C kit. Good thing about 272 is compression release. I also have tons of parts to fit this series of saw. If you need or can't find anything let me know I probably have it. God Bless You & Family! Shep

Hey Shep! How yah been?
Have 2 61's right now. Eddie (reheadwoodshed) sent me one!! Want to convert to a 272! Thinking I'll get the Hiway kit from Watson! Any and all input will be greatly appreciated! Used the other 61 I got from a guy in Indiana for $100, to cut a nice load of white oak yesterday! Runs sweet!!Could use a top cover, but I'm thinking I'll leave alone be cuz it runs so strong! Modded the muffler some and put a Woodland Pro chisel chain on it! Has an old 18" Oregon bar on it, but it's in fine shape! Always loved these old babies since I first used one to build the cemetery on Otis down the Cape in '77! Back then it was the 162.
Well thanks for Weimedog for Posting this Thread!! Great saws!!!
We Love those 44's too don't we!!!? :laugh:

cheeves · November 24, 2013, 06:13:52 PM

Quote from: weimedog on November 24, 2013, 05:04:08 PM
Got a request relative the the 61/272 blend ... think it was in this post. If any one shows interest I will do two things, first build a focused post / thread on the 61/272 blend as I've since learned things. Take all the posts build specific posts here plus the learning curve after living with the saw and have a focused thread. Build a youtube video on the subject using another project saw....let me know

Myself Weimedog, anything you want to do will be excellent from my standpoint!
God Bless you!! A good running 61 is a fine saw, but I can't wait to put that Hiway 272 on it!!! Got to be one of the slickest setups out there! They are super balanced to begin with!! Super.......!!!

cheeves · November 24, 2013, 06:25:11 PM

Quote from: weimedog on December 25, 2010, 11:49:57 AM
All those 200 series Husqvarna's were well thought out simple and reliable! You know I honestly don't know if the 266 is on the same case as the 61, 268 and 272. I have a friend who is building what I think is a 262, and its a little smaller saw. Is the 266 built on that or is it yet another on the larger cases like the 272?

(BTW that 262 is a shocker on how well it runs & cuts! Amazing little saw)

And tube spacers inside the 61's muffler as we plod along....

Have a 262 that I converted from a 261! Got an original 262 muffler on Ebay and a three shoe clutch from Scott at Chainsawr.com along with a side cover and bar and chain! P/C came from Bailey's, Taiwan! Runs super and has cut a lot of firewood over the past 3 years!! Love it.
Frame is different from the 61,66, 68, and 72! But has 4.8 HP for little weight! Great for the old back! :laugh:

The Ripper · November 24, 2013, 06:56:45 PM

Quote from: weimedog on November 24, 2013, 05:04:08 PM
Got a request relative the the 61/272 blend ... think it was in this post. If any one shows interest I will do two things, first build a focused post / thread on the 61/272 blend as I've since learned things. Take all the posts build specific posts here plus the learning curve after living with the saw and have a focused thread. Build a youtube video on the subject using another project saw....let me know

Is the video done yet ;D Need a real manly saw to replace my Chinese "5020" and thank you for offering to document this project.