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Author Topic: Husqvarna 372xp Original Edition vs. 372xp Current Edition "X-Torq" Saws.  (Read 40778 times)

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Re: Husqvarna 372xp Original Edition vs. 372xp Current Edition "X-Torq" Saws.
« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2021, 02:55:45 PM »
Yeah, he likes to stir it up and then laugh at my reaction.   :)

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Re: Husqvarna 372xp Original Edition vs. 372xp Current Edition "X-Torq" Saws.
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2021, 03:04:38 PM »
Almost a u-tube Abbot & Costello.  8) Whos on 1st!
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Re: Husqvarna 372xp Original Edition vs. 372xp Current Edition "X-Torq" Saws.
« Reply #62 on: January 10, 2021, 12:55:20 PM »
Yeah, he likes to stir it up and then laugh at my reaction.   :)
::)  LOL

I did get the "nudge" ;D....so I'll bite; here goes:

But they are different designs. The very definition of a design defines all the bits and pieces. A 365 OE vs. 372 OE has minimal differences and since they are in the same "class" or "family" of saw, we say that and acknowledge they are different. They even have a different set of part numbers for the 48mm cylinder and related pieces....hence a different model in the same "class" or chassis of saw. Similar enough in cylinder "design" with the closed quad ports and all we can rationalize that THEY are the same "design" but they really aren't...they even can use the same carburetor :) Right??
THEN the 575 came along, then the back lash...then the 372 X-Torq after the OE was designated to be discontinued.
The entire X-torq concept is a different design than the more conventional 372 OE's two stroke designs before it.  Not only from the the new cylinder design and balance issues introduced  by that goofy tall piston with the big channels in the side to help it "Strato" to the taller plastic to accommodate that taller system. It's like saying as car models change that the design remains the same. Maybe in the marketing world trying to sell a model number its true, but in reality a 2000 era Dodge Durango , is rather different than the subsequent model, a different design. :) A "Hemi" is a "Hemi" right? Try swapping part from a 5.7 to a 426! Try stuffing a 50mm X-torq piston into a 372 OE cylinder. Any one think the Suzuki RM250 of the 1990's is the same design as the RM250 of the 2000's? Same model evolved into a different design.
Same thing. To maintain a "model" recognition the 372 number will live on another couple of years, but only a sales person would rationalize how its the same design saw as the 371 or quad port 372's prior to 2010 because some parts swap and they look the same :) Who does that really matter? And why would it matter? Husqvarna trying to sell into the really strong "372" market as that saw was well "designed" and many just want a new one. So why not "design" a new saw using as much as possible from both the parts bin AND look and feel with the same model to till that field. Good business. Doesn't make it the same "design".
It's like the argument over on face book where a dude is trying to argue a Husqvarna 394 is the same saw in Orange as a Jonsered 2095.... same concept some parts carry over, does that mean they are they same "design"? Of course not. And in my old world if a part had a different drawing number, it was a different design by the very definition as the drawing of a part was the design.

And I didn't even use the "NYLON" snag ....:)

How is that? :) :D ::)
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Re: Husqvarna 372xp Original Edition vs. 372xp Current Edition "X-Torq" Saws.
« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2021, 01:54:24 PM »
The 394 is more like the 2094.....and the 395 is more like the 2095. But....the stroke of the 2094 and 2095 is lower in the case than the 394 & 395. That makes them actually quite different and not completely swap-able with parts.

So....the Jonsered saws in these examples are not exactly the same as their orange counterparts. Other Jonsered saws were identical to Husky except for the tanks and handles.

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« Reply #64 on: January 10, 2021, 03:21:01 PM »
I have the 2094 and most of a 2095, Work on the 395 series pretty frequently. Different design saws that as I mentioned might share a part here and there. The Husqvarna ( in my most humble opinion ) with its gas tank / handle as a modern saw has is a generation ahead of the Jonsered with the bar oil and gas in the cases....very little actually crosses between the two.
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« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2021, 08:28:40 PM »
Pretty good my friend.

But, I was getting ready to watch a movie. Do I have to win this debate tonight, or can it wait until tomorrow? :)

Briefly, same saw, different top end and intake. Bottom end the same, as all changes over the years were received by BOTH OE and XT designs as the saws were, and are, produced concurrently. It's not all about the cylinder in my book. Granted, the cylinder is "completely different", but NOT the rest of the saw. It's not the current HEMI we both have vs the old 426, it's our HEMI vs the 6 cylinder that is available in the same, and current, chassis.

But really, old vs new and OE vs XT are 2 "completely different" discussions, and we are kind of bleeding the 2 together and likely causing some confusion. (with us as well as anyone reading our drival) Remember the 16 fin vs the 20 fin flywheel deal? :)

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« Reply #66 on: January 11, 2021, 01:02:45 AM »
Yeah, Im going with this same type of discussion with my Husky dealer right now. Even though he has been to their school its sad when someone off of the street is now showing him just a few of the things that I have learned from over on this site.

And its funny what he calls me as far as well received names. He and I both know that they are in fun, but unless you know our background with each other, then youd think that we were at each others throats! He learns from me and I buy from him. Hows that for a symbiotic relationship? Because we both have fun and learn from each other!

Before I got into chainsaws, I used to sell him car/truck/heavy equipment parts and pieces. Now I buy a bunch of saw stuff from him. Now we have just swapped who is on what side of the counter. Thats how life goes. But we both like it. He never beat me up on prices and I dont beat him up. I know that he has bills to pay and I enjoy hanging out there. He even feeds me occasionally for lunch.

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« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2021, 08:40:43 AM »

Briefly, same saw, different top end and intake. Bottom end the same, as all changes over the years were received by BOTH OE and XT designs as the saws were, and are, produced concurrently. It's not all about the cylinder in my book. Granted, the cylinder is "completely different", but NOT the rest of the saw.
Top end, Carb, Intake Boot, Filter Holder, Choke Lever, all new designs. The Taller designed Top Cover, Handle bar, Chain Brake Handle...LOOK the same but are DESIGNED for the 1/2 inch taller X-torq cylinder. Kind of like the mustang's trying to get back to the "retro" look from the 60's. Just a different body.

And true some of the new parts retro back...like different ignition that rev limits at 13300 instead of the 13500 or more required to best setup the OE 50mm different designed cylinder, Can even blend the "different" carb to the OE's. Different choke level...different crank can be argued as an upgrade. But it's more because like the 51.4's they aren't building the OE spare parts if the XT's are "good enough", or like with the similar looking covers the BIGGER new versions are so much larger they easily encompass the older parts, BUT there is a huge gap between the cylinder and top cover because that new cover was DESIGNED for the taller X-torq cylinder. And may effect cooling and air flow across the smaller cylinder that wasn't designed in concert with that now taller cover. Things like the flywheel where an actual upgrade to address cooling issues, but the top coves & things weren't concieved in that upgrade spirit, they were "designed" for a new cylinder concept called X-Torq.

Wow start adding it up there isn't a lot that hasn't been "updated" ( changed, designed to be the XT vs. OE ). And to most the "heart" of a piece of power equipment is how it burns gas/air to make power, and that is the cylinder design....which is completely different between the XT and OE. :)

I think it would be fun to try and list the parts that are the same. Not the cases! They will accommodate the OE but were DESIGNED for the longer flange of the XT....so lets try that direction. What parts are the same?
Oil pump & hoses ( NOW different with Latest design), worm gear, chain brake parts, Pull start, Flywheel, Seals NOT bearings :), Spark plug? Decomp? , That support plate or bracket under the carb. Tank handle, Throttle trigger and assembly... side cover. And then how many of those retro of OTHER saw models..like Bar oil mechanism & chain brake stuff to the 385/390's, decomp. Using Spikes logic the 390 is now the same design and same saw as the X-torq. :) Because I can "blend" these and other things like the pto side cover, ignition, even carb if ur clever back to a 385/390.

What this is goes along with the argument how many hairs does it take for u to loose before you are considered bald? Bob's saying because the X-torq and OE 372 use the same screws, have the same model number and look the same, they are the same SAW. I'm saying that even though they are similar and have the same model number they are different designs. Back to the RM250 analogy. I would say we are well past the "hair lose" stage and approaching the bald point.


:) We are making progress...:) ALL in fun I hope or I would stop in an instant.
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Re: Husqvarna 372xp Original Edition vs. 372xp Current Edition "X-Torq" Saws.
« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2021, 10:11:28 AM »
Hemi  :)


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« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2021, 10:43:28 AM »
HEMI

Husqvarna 365sp/372xpw Blend, Jonsered 2171 51.4mm XPW build,562xp HTSS, 560 HTSS, 272XP, 61/272XP, 555, 257, 242, 238, Homelite S-XL 925, XP-1020A, Super XL (Dad's saw); Jonsered 2094, Three 920's, CS-2172, Solo 603; 3 Huztl MS660's (2 54mm and 1 56mm)


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