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Re: New Stihl Sawchain With Special File
« Reply #20 on: August 19, 2021, 04:52:27 PM »
But as I've told you repeatedly.....I had a big farm after I quit loggin' in the PNW that was in central MO. I had 120 acres of woods in the mix ..... cut Bur Oak, Black Walnut and White Oak. All using my commercial saws with skip-tooth square file chain.

But there's something mysterious about them 'special' indigenous hardwoods that come out of Ohio......lol.

Conversely, you seem to have no trouble to opine about PNW wood and the saws we use, even though you've never been out here.

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Well you do carry on .I can't remember ever saying anything about PNW woods fact said so in the previous post .Why should I even care what brand or size of saw or the type of chain .BTW Ohio white oak cut green is no big deal ,cuts relatively easy .Again dead hickory not so much, hard as a rock but not bad green .Having said that no I'm not going to jump on the band wagon and use square ground chisel chain .Do as you wish and I'll do the same .BTW since you mentioned it I do own several of those "PNW saws " that in fact came from the PNW .No big secret I know for a fact how they run which quite honestly ,they do good .---there miracle as it seems we do agree on something .Don't you just hate that ? :D
I 'hate' that you don't remember our previous conversations. I guess that's my curse and rehashing everything for Nth time is just pedantic to me.

You're the last person in the world I would try to push into square ground chisel chain. In fact, AVOID it at all costs....with your mindset, you will always hate it. But on the other hand, I'm not gonna let you run down square ground chain as a no-no for hardwoods either......because I've cut both softwoods and hardwoods with it in two very different parts of the country. Your point about it being dead or green is irrelevant. With properly sharp square ground chain and enough cc's, it's not an issue either. I cut plenty of dry, dead hardwood on that farm.

Now that being said.....if someone in the Midwest was asking about a good saw and chain combo for their indigenous trees, I wouldn't recommend big commercial saws like I have and fitted like I have.....or the Oregon 68CJ chain either. I'd go to saw shops and find out what works for the local cutters.

My original point was there was no reason to ditch what I had and buy new saws and chain just because of a different landscape. But I believe you could find a semi-commercial square ground chain that would work on those Midwest trees beautifully. So quit acting like square ground chisel chain is a function of living in the PNW....clearly it is not and popular in many other locals. It's not just race chain, more to the point. People that say it's just for softwoods and dulls easily in hardwoods just don't what they're talking about. There a square ground chain that will work and cutter angles that will work for hardwoods.

Willard's point in starting this thread....a kissing cousin to the conventional square ground chain and even a special file for it.

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Re: New Stihl Sawchain With Special File
« Reply #21 on: August 19, 2021, 08:26:16 PM »
Okay we in the eastern portion of the country are illiterate  idiots .Point taken. Plus anybody who is not pro feller doesn't know beans from apple butter .Did I miss anything ? ;D

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Re: New Stihl Sawchain With Special File
« Reply #22 on: August 19, 2021, 08:43:21 PM »
BTW I need to apologize .It was some time ago I said I'd never comment on another thread you were on but I digressed which I assure you it will never happen again .You're the expert go for it . :)

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Re: New Stihl Sawchain With Special File
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2021, 06:34:54 AM »
Square ground chisel bit chain in 1952.
Patent filed July 1946.


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« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2021, 08:49:27 AM »
BTW I need to apologize .It was some time ago I said I'd never comment on another thread you were on but I digressed which I assure you it will never happen again .You're the expert go for it . :)
Like I said pedantic. I never claim to be an expert on anything. You read what you want to read and ignore experience and facts. I'm trying to help people with knowledge from experience. You're trying to make me out now like I belittle people from the Midwest and the east which is completely false.Why would I....it doesn't make any sense and very little of you for saying that.

And yeah, it would be better if you didn't bait me about 2100's, west coast saw rigs and square ground chain. Grow up.

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Re: New Stihl Sawchain With Special File
« Reply #25 on: September 03, 2021, 08:55:05 AM »
I wish I had thought of this idea.
A fellow from France whose user name is Stihl Stihl rigged up this metal guide to his triangle chisel bit file.
Like training wheels for a file....
I can see someone 3D printing off a bunch of these out of plastic  that snap onto the end of a file.


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Re: New Stihl Sawchain With Special File
« Reply #26 on: September 03, 2021, 10:28:01 AM »
I wish I had thought of this idea.

I don't get it. How does it work? You find a video demo anywhere?
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Re: New Stihl Sawchain With Special File
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2021, 02:40:55 PM »
Willard, that piece looks like the commercial big game hide scrapers that Iíve seen.
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« Reply #28 on: September 12, 2021, 08:45:10 AM »
Ok folks here's the official Hexa introduction.  :)

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« Reply #29 on: September 12, 2021, 08:54:59 AM »
Thanks, that straightened me out. It's not a square grind knock-off it's a new tooth geometry entirely. Although it should cut closer to a square grind than a round grind. I guess that's where the '10% faster' claim comes from. Well, it is interesting. Now the question is how will the cutting public take to it?
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Re: New Stihl Sawchain With Special File
« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2021, 09:31:27 AM »
I am definitely interested in trying one. maybe I can sharpen this one? I suck at the others.

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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2021, 10:00:03 AM »
That's got my attention. I'd be interested in seeing the cost of the chain and the files. As an aside, that's a very good video showing how to file a chain. They didn't say a thing, but it was perfectly clear on what needs to be done.

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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2021, 10:06:02 AM »
Thanks, that straightened me out. It's not a square grind knock-off it's a new tooth geometry entirely. Although it should cut closer to a square grind than a round grind. I guess that's where the '10% faster' claim comes from. Well, it is interesting. Now the question is how will the cutting public take to it?
OG, yes it is interesting and like I said it's not a tooth profile to compare with a square filed chisel bit, far from it. But now it's possible for a regular round filer to attempt a cutting edge close to a square chisel bit.
Now my question is how OHSA or CSA standards will apply this file for the general public.  
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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2021, 10:17:46 AM »
That's got my attention. I'd be interested in seeing the cost of the chain and the files. As an aside, that's a very good video showing how to file a chain. They didn't say a thing, but it was perfectly clear on what needs to be
I think the market will focus more on this hexagon file  then on the matching chain like the earlier ad that I posted.
This video shows what looks like a standard 33RS1 chain, but it does have the laser etched Hexa wear limit guide on the cutter's sideplate.  
Now we have a way to sharpen the new Husqvarna C83/85 XCut chain the way it comes out of the box. :)


 

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« Reply #34 on: September 12, 2021, 10:24:15 AM »
What's your opinion of Xcut chain. I don't like Oregon at all. The metal's so soft, I think it's made from recycled soup cans. I still have some Carlton I use as beater chain, but once that's gone, I'll be all Stihl since I found a reasonably priced supplier. Is the Xcut more like Stihl or Oregon?

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« Reply #35 on: September 12, 2021, 10:43:55 AM »
To be honest I haven't got my hands on any Husqvarna XCut 83/85 chain yet.
But what I see about that chain is when Husqvarna introduced the 572XP a few years back in Europe to counter the Stihl MS462 introduction,  Husqvarna equally promoted the fast cutting XCut chain on the 572XP to help its lower power to weight ratio versus the MS462.

What I'm getting at is the XCut chain helped the 572XP in cutting speed comparison tests against the MS462 with a standard 33RS1 chain.
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« Reply #36 on: September 19, 2021, 11:44:53 PM »
 

 
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« Reply #37 on: September 19, 2021, 11:50:51 PM »
At least the wear rate is good news😶
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« Reply #38 on: September 20, 2021, 10:42:10 AM »
At least the wear rate is good news😶
And they're coming supplied with the early 2022 MS400, 462 and 500i like how the 572XP was introduced with the C83 XCut,  difference is the Stihls come with a file.
Now the big question is will that be worldwide?
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« Reply #39 on: September 22, 2021, 06:13:36 AM »
What's your opinion of Xcut chain. I don't like Oregon at all. The metal's so soft, I think it's made from recycled soup cans. I still have some Carlton I use as beater chain, but once that's gone, I'll be all Stihl since I found a reasonably priced supplier. Is the Xcut more like Stihl or Oregon?
I have been very happy with my Xcut chains. They hold an edge well and have a good wear rate. I also agree  100% with you on Oregon chains . I find the Xcut to be much more Stihl like then Oregon.  


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