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Re: Trees with berries ID
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2021, 07:57:11 AM »
I'll check out my fence row about mid next week to see what I have .All I know is it tries to snag the hat off my head when I mow .I'm recuperating at the moment from trying to act like I'm 23 instead of 73 .Had a little blow out which required a high tech tire patch .
I have to do battle with that fence row about every 5 or 6 years .Of course I always win because I have the chainsaw .Danged things got my John-Deere hat once that was water proofed with genuine John-Deere grease .After it went through a flair mower all I had left was a beanie .

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« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2021, 09:24:10 AM »
OK, lets see how that pans out for "you fellas" :D

We bought this land in 1978 which had no road and was an old subsistence farm area with some tobacco patches and bench fields that had grown into mature pines and old pastures too.
 These small hawthorns have been left alone since we moved here as I find them "interesting" based on spring flowers and the same small fruits mentioned above. I already guessed the height at 3-4" as I recall, certainly not seen them grow much? 
Now, back to why they aren't bigger?  cause it' not me chopping on them... ;D
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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2021, 12:19:53 PM »
SwampDonkey,
That was an interesting utube.  I ended up watching quite a few of his clips.  Interesting guy.   I enjoyed the ones about his use of Pine Tar and Linseed oil or Turpentine as a finish.

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« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2021, 02:00:40 PM »
I follow him, but I just gloss over any of his conspiracy chats out in the garage. To me a lot of diatribe of no value. :D

But one thing there that is quite true, you have to use a bit of skepticism from a lot of news providers. They themselves will often know better (by their own admission) than the message they give. James Randii would call them "media ___'s", because they'll say/do anything to sell news. :D :D

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« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2021, 05:27:45 PM »
I did get some pictures today of trees or bushes with berries .I have no idea what they are except they aren't hickory trees or oaks . ;) First one is that thorn infested thing ,looks little like a hawthorn ,sort of but no thorn apple .

 

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« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2021, 05:31:54 PM »
What this next thing is I also have no idea except it favors a cherry of some kind .No thorns

 

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« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2021, 05:35:16 PM »
Third and last .The other two are bushes ,this is a tree .By the leaves it looks like something in the maple family .That tree is 40 feet tall .

 

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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2021, 07:56:57 AM »
Al:
The first one is a hawthorn. Sometimes the fruit don’t amount to much of anything. The second is one of the eleagnus species- Russian olive. It is one of our big invasive bullies in Ohio. Originally brought in for reclamation I would guess through the Soil Conservation Service. If you run your hand along the stem you’ll find modified thorns. The spotted fruit are a clue. The third I think you have two species in the picture. The leaf on the right is a maple. I would guess silver due to the depth of the sinuses but could be red. The fruit is connected to a viburnum. One of the cranberry bushes. It may be tall but it’s not a tree. The leaf is maple like in appearance. There are American and European versions. The American versions of most of the viburnums are being hit hard by the viburnum leaf beetle. If the picture is from an urban area it would be a reasonable guess that it is European. 

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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2021, 08:11:05 AM »
That third tree is a Silver Maple, we called them swamp maple when I was a kid. Very white wood, not terribly strong compared to other maples but makes good interior finishing millwork wood. Definitely not red maple. Red is the most populous maple in NYS and I hate them almost as much as the Striped Maple, if that's possible. ;D
 Silver maples were often planted as urban ornamentals (sidewalk tees) but they have terrible ground root systems that require trimming if you want to mow the area. They can also lift sidewalk right out of the ground. If I recall, they have a heck of a tap root too but I was 12 the last time we dug out one of those stumps. I just remember being down in a hole up to my knees cutting roots. The tops bush out, they love sun. Over the ages branches die and break off. Carpenter ants love them. Mature trees are very subject to storm damage if they are unprotected by other trees. I am not a fan. :D
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2021, 09:44:07 AM »
Historically the lay of the land where that fence row is is on the lines of two different townships which crosses my land .The northern side had been cleared and was probably once crop land .The southern is all big tree woods .Fact I have some monster big oaks as does the rest of that remaining woods land .
What is in those  thickets now is very diverse which I assume might have been planted by bird droppings .The deer seem to be quite fond of the  thickets due to the fact they are browsers about like a goat .


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« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2021, 09:57:28 AM »
Rambling on. When I moved here in the 90's that approx 2 acres of land was not mown and had grown up with about zillion little what I thought to be silver maple saplings and big heathy weeds .On new years day with 2 inches of snow on the ground I ran a flair mower through the whole mess and stirred up about enough field mice to feed half the red tail hawks in northern Ohio for a month .For the next two weeks at the crack of dawn those hawks were perched in the top of trees .It's all grass now but I still get the hawks in lesser numbers .
As far as maple trees I thought the native was sugar maples and the silver and red were transplants and had the twirlies like a sugar maple .Never knew about red "berries " on any .

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« Reply #31 on: September 20, 2021, 01:12:10 PM »
Al you have hawthorn, autumn olive, and highbush cranberry.

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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2021, 11:37:39 AM »
That third tree is a Silver Maple, we called them swamp maple when I was a kid. Very white wood, not terribly strong compared to other maples but makes good interior finishing millwork wood. Definitely not red maple. Red is the most populous maple in NYS and I hate them almost as much as the Striped Maple, if that's possible. ;D
 Silver maples were often planted as urban ornamentals (sidewalk tees) but they have terrible ground root systems that require trimming if you want to mow the area. They can also lift sidewalk right out of the ground. If I recall, they have a heck of a tap root too but I was 12 the last time we dug out one of those stumps. I just remember being down in a hole up to my knees cutting roots. The tops bush out, they love sun. Over the ages branches die and break off. Carpenter ants love them. Mature trees are very subject to storm damage if they are unprotected by other trees. I am not a fan. :D
I agree on the soft maples. Silver maples are the worst. My forest is primarily Silver Maple & White Ash. The emerald ash borer killed a lot of my ash, and the Silver maples drop a lot of garbage on the ground. I logged quite a bit of silver maple when I bought my land, and dug out stumps with my CAT 225 excavator, a reasonably large machine. The stumps gave that excavator a hard time. Some of the root balls were 8 ft in diameter by about 6 ft deep, and they don't give up the dirt easily, so some of them I could not even lift off the ground and had to push them around with a dozer.

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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2021, 03:41:47 PM »
Yes, you have a viburnum in with your maple photo. It can be one of several species, and not always highbush cranberry. Some species, if you try to make jelly it will be a terrible mess. I think Jeff tried some from an unknown viburnum species and it wasn't good. ;)
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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2021, 05:02:17 PM »
Hows come so many foresters and so many different opinions ? ??? If it is highbush cranberry from what I read it smells like dirty socks cooking down .Not to worry I'll let the birds have it .About the only thing I fool with are the black walnuts from a 100 foot giant in my woods .Largest black walnuts I've ever seen in my life .If they conked you in the noggin it would lay you out .Fact this time of the year perhaps I should don my brain bucket ( hard hat ) if I venture out there .

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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2021, 07:11:57 PM »
The last pic looks like Highbush Cranberry. The New York State DEC (state wildlife agency) sells packets of trees and shrubs for wildlife plantings. They used to offer Highbush Cranberry for the berries for birds. Most birds aren't crazy about eating it, but the thinking was that it stays on the bush all winter, so it is available if they need it to survive.

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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2021, 08:29:14 PM »
I guess I don't pay attention .About 20 years ago that thicket was nothing but deer browse .Looking at it when I took those pictures it's got 30 foot trees in in it .I'd imagine the squirrels planted any nut trees if there are any  .Wind blew the cotton woods and maples  and most likely the birds did a good share of the others especially the black raspberries I dearly love .I just forget to pick them because the season is rather short and I'm usually busy with something else .  

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« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2021, 09:53:41 AM »
The wildlife get my black berries before I can.  The worst bunch of chiggers I ever got was picking black berries years ago.  Kind of don't want a repeat so I tend not to wade in a patch anymore.
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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2021, 10:44:19 AM »
It makes you wonder exactly how these things propagated .In mine plus nearly 10 acres of adjoining woods I've found exactly one catalpa tree .It's a gnarly old thing slowly dying for the last 20 years , eventually I'll need to drop .How on earth did it ever get there to begin with ?


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