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Sapling ID
« on: September 22, 2021, 08:26:34 AM »
We have a few of these showing up around the farm but I can't find any mature trees that look similar. From what I can tell this could be a swamp white oak or another type of oak?  I would like to transplant a few of these if they are. Thank you

 

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Re: Sapling ID
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2021, 08:50:08 AM »
Black oak.  Quercus velutina.  The shade leaves and young immature lower leaves are blobby like that.  

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Re: Sapling ID
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2021, 09:46:03 AM »
Thank you! This is likely the parent tree which matches with Black Oak. This is a yard tree that has the lower branches trimmed off so I don't see many shade leaves. Thanks for the help and link to the other thread.

 

 

 

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Re: Sapling ID
« Reply #3 on: September 22, 2021, 10:07:44 AM »
Yes, that is exactly right.  Acorns and sun leaves are exactly right. 

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Re: Sapling ID
« Reply #4 on: September 22, 2021, 10:23:47 AM »
Is it common knowledge they have shade leaves? I had them on my property, and I only stumbled on it by accident trying to find exactly what kind of white oak I had. It didn't seem to be mentioned anywhere. I used to have a big black oak, so it made sense, but I never saw anything that didn't look like red oak leaf on that tree.

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« Reply #5 on: September 22, 2021, 10:36:46 AM »
The shade leaves and sun leaves are different, so the amount of light seems to affect leaf shape. The blobby leaves have more surface area and nature probably designed it that way.  

The variable leaf shape can make this species confusing to identify unless you look carefully at all the characteristics.  For this reason I call it the Jester. 
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Re: Sapling ID
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2021, 12:04:04 PM »
Is that why a 1" dbh poplar can have 10" wide leaves in a low light situation? 
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« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2021, 07:51:08 AM »
Yes.  Adaptations to compete.  The plant world is a dog-eat-dog world with intense competition. 
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Re: Sapling ID
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2021, 09:25:16 PM »
Bloby leaves? 

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Re: Sapling ID
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2021, 08:08:29 AM »
Next time you see a black oak, look for the blobby shade leaves.  When the Dawgs play Auburn, look for a Plainsman, or a War Eagle, or a Tiger.  It is all so confusing. 
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2021, 04:29:30 PM »
That leaf variation is a fine example of why just one characteristic isn't a good way to positively i.d. a plant. Bark is another example. My plant tax prof was fond of saying "by their fruits ye shall know them". 

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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2021, 11:01:53 PM »
Thats a pretty old saying.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2021, 08:12:00 AM »
That leaf variation is a fine example of why just one characteristic isn't a good way to positively i.d. a plant. Bark is another example. My plant tax prof was fond of saying "by their fruits ye shall know them".
What is really interesting is the picture of a tree taken 1.5 light years distant from the tree and posted on the Internet with the question, what kind of tree is this? :D
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Re: Sapling ID
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2021, 07:30:34 PM »
Yeah, it's just a tree,  how hard could it be to positively i.d.? Way less than 100,000 known species on our planet, anyone should know them at a glance. Haha.

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Re: Sapling ID
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2021, 07:46:37 PM »
Is that why a 1" dbh poplar can have 10" wide leaves in a low light situation?
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