Timber quality standards

[Prizl tha Chizl]

I've just finished cutting my second frame for hire, and feel like I should be looking for another timber source.

I had a hard time finding a supplier for the first frame, and he is a nice guy with an even more agreeable price, but his bread and butter are crane mats and pallet lumber, and his timbers weren't great to begin with and have gotten worse with this second frame. 

What do you all expect for quality? These are all pretty straight and twist free, but few of them have more than one square corner. Of course I'm using square rule, but having to adjust my tools to ride "square" on the non reference faces is a time suck, and it's just one more place for cumulative error to creep in. My only other complaint is that there is often a bit of dip in the middle of the timbers, as if his blade is wandering or there's a problem with his log carriage (forgive me Sawyers, I don't know sawmill terminology, the mill he has has a fixed bandsaw-the cant moves.) I've considered just talking to him about it, but feel like in general he doesn't have an eye for quality- just focusing on getting logs pushed through the mill with his crew- plus, I already offered him an extra .10/bf to give me his "better" timbers, and I'm still not real happy.

Am I expecting too much? Any recommendations for someone in southwest Wisconsin? What's a reasonable price to pay? Right now I'm getting white pine timbers for under $1/bf, but i'd be happy to pay more if it could drop my labor price and give me a frame that fit better in the end.

[Don P]

Short of going into the sawmill business, can you source logs and bring in a portable mill?

[Prizl tha Chizl]

Thanks for the idea, DonP. I always tell visitors they can go anywhere they want at our place so long as its either uphill or downhill ;D so I don't have a lot of good real estate for staging, but I am in the process of clearing a better log landing/milling area as L kicked me out of our front yard after having the third round of our own logs go through there :D

We do have a portable sawmill relationship that we're happy with, especially since I'm there I can do my own quality control. Besides adding another dimension to the planning and coordination of these projects the only other drawback I see is that it's just one more step down the slippery slope towards buying my own sawmill, something I'm trying to resist for as long as possible.

On that note, I'd like to try to keep outsourcing the whole operation if I can do it and still end up with logs I'm happy with.

[Don P]

Tangentially on topic, I was enjoying this this morning 

Oak Framed Buildings - YouTube

[kantuckid]

I'll watch some of the others that follow- as seen at the end right after the man gets tickled... :D I enjoy the English talk. Wondering how my wife and sons would react to my getting and earing like his? :-\ Some people got it, some don't. I'm a don't...

[John S]

Don P,  I like that video and was curious about his describing lengths in meters and thickness in inches.

[twar]

describing lengths in meters and thickness in inches

Yes, pick up the phone in Norway, call any building supplier and order 100 linear meters of "2-tom-4" and they will deliver a 100 meters of 48x98 mm. (Unless you special order, there are no standard lengths. Everything is mostly between 2.5 and 5.5 meters long.)

[SwampDonkey]

Furniture manufactures ran into problems with wood outsourced as well and had to dry the wood themselves. I have bought so called kilned hardwood before and have it move a lot. It was no 12% stuff, closer to 20% I suspect. Softwood kilns around here don't dry it more than 19%, that's their so called standard MC. In my region the average for equilibrium in non climate controlled conditions is 16%. Now move it indoors in a 12% environment. ;D