The Forestry Forum is sponsored in part by:

iDRY Vacuum Kilns


Forestry Forum
Sponsored by:


TimberKing Sawmills



Toll Free 1-800-582-0470

LogRite Tools



Norwood Industries Inc.




Your source for Portable Sawmills, Edgers, Resaws, Sharpeners, Setters, Bandsaw Blades and Sawmill Parts

EZ Boardwalk Sawmills. More Saw For Less Money!

STIHLDealers.com sponsored by Northeast STIHL


Woodland Sawmills

Peterson Swingmills

 KASCO SharpTech WoodMaxx Blades

Turbosawmill

Sawmill Exchange

Michigan Firewood, your BRUTE FORCE Authorized Dealer

Baker Products

ECHO-Bearcat

iDRY Wood Lumber Vacuum Drying for everyon

Nyle Kiln Dry Systems

Chainsawr, The Worlds Largest Inventory of Chainsaw Parts

Smith Sawmill Service



Author Topic: Blue spruce...  (Read 7073 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Ever Green

  • Full Member
  • **
  • Posts: 62
  • Age: 51
  • Location: Lakeville,Ma
  • Gender: Male
  • I'm new!
    • Share Post
Blue spruce...
« on: May 21, 2007, 08:19:30 PM »
Had a chance to go look at some Blue spruce today.  Tall and straight...20-35" DBH...about 10 trees...little dicey dropping a few but my questions is ...do they have any value?  I know I could have them sawed myself and build a cabin or barn...just didn't know if I could possibly get some coin out of them...What types of things is spruce good for...Timber framers etc.?

Thanks...
Vince......I'm located 35 miles South of Buffalo, NY
Vince

Offline Sprucegum

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1790
  • Age: 73
  • Location: Lloydminster, Alberta
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2007, 11:35:53 PM »
All the framing lumber we use here is called SPF which means it can be Spruce ,Pine or Fir. It would make some nice beams for sure.
If they are yard trees they probably have alot of branches? Some people like that Knotty pine look in wall paneling or wainscotting.

Blue spruce is just like White spruce except.......  ;D

Offline maple flats

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2339
  • Age: 75
  • Location: Oneida, NY
  • Gender: Male
  • Life is what you make it!
    • Share Post
    • cnymaple.com
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2007, 05:45:57 PM »
in fact if memory serves me if it was clear spruce and straight grain that is what OSHA used to specify for scaffolding plank over a certain length, it was the strongest of the soft woods and could flex a long way without breaking.
logging small time for years but just learning how,  2012 36 HP Mahindra tractor, 3point log arch, 8000# class excavator, lifts 2500# and sets logs on mill precisely where needed, Woodland Mills HM130Max , maple syrup a hobby that consumes my time. looking to learn blacksmithing.

Offline jokers

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1012
  • Location: New Haven,NY
  • Gender: Male
  • Chainsaw Freak
    • Share Post
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2007, 09:42:02 AM »
..........it was the strongest of the soft woods and could flex a long way without breaking.
Strongest? Stronger than hemlock which according to a couple of things I`ve read equated hemlock to doug fir for strength, stronger and able to span greater distances than spf but that was also in regard to deflection of no more than 1/360 of the span. Just curious to know just how strong spruce is `cause I can get a bunch cheap.

I thought the scaffold plank spec was related to the fact that the spruce is somewhat decay resistant so a plank certified as scaffold grade today could be reasonably assumed to meet the same spec a year from now even with regular exposure to weather.

As an aside, the most recent planks that I bought were microlams and were labeled hem-fir. I don`t know about anyone else but I`d much rather work off aluminum picks where the dimensions allow, I never did like walking on planks as they bow in the middle while I was 20 or 30 feet above the ground.

Offline maple flats

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2339
  • Age: 75
  • Location: Oneida, NY
  • Gender: Male
  • Life is what you make it!
    • Share Post
    • cnymaple.com
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2007, 09:47:48 AM »
I will try to check that out. Right now i just remember about 20 some years ago I was renting scaffolding and the only plank was spruce and a notice on the rental form said something about OSHA requiring spruce plank if wooden plank was used.
logging small time for years but just learning how,  2012 36 HP Mahindra tractor, 3point log arch, 8000# class excavator, lifts 2500# and sets logs on mill precisely where needed, Woodland Mills HM130Max , maple syrup a hobby that consumes my time. looking to learn blacksmithing.

Offline beenthere

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 27152
  • Location: Southern Wisconsin, USA
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2007, 12:47:56 PM »
maple flats
Looked up OSHA requirements, and the following stated:
1910.28(a)(8)

All load-carrying timber members of scaffold framing shall be a minimum of 1,500 f. (Stress Grade) construction grade lumber. All dimensions are nominal sizes as provided in the American Lumber Standards, except that where rough sizes are noted, only rough and undressed lumber or the size specified will satisfy minimum requirements. (Note: Where nominal sizes of lumber are used in place of rough sizes, the nominal size lumber shall be such as to provide equivalent strength to that specified in tables D-7 through D-12 and D-16.

1910.28(a)(9)

All planking shall be Scaffold Grade as recognized by grading rules for the species of wood used. The maximum permissible spans for 2- X 9-inch or wider planks are shown in the following table:
..............
.


Nothing about requiring a certain species. And that doesn't sound like OSHA to do something like that eithier.
south central Wisconsin
 It may be that my sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others

Offline Dave Shepard

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 11528
  • Age: 2017
  • Location: Alford Massachusetts
  • Gender: Male
  • Geometrically proportional
    • Share Post
    • My homepage
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #6 on: May 28, 2007, 08:14:39 PM »
The laminated OSHA planks we were using this winter seemed to be doug fir. All I know is they better be about 6"x12" if a moose like me's gonna use them.


Dave
Wood-Mizer LT40HDD51-WR Wireless, Kubota L48, Honda Rincon 650, TJ208 G-S, and a 60"LogRite!

Offline Dodgy Loner

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 3141
  • Age: 38
  • Location: Fernandina Beach, FL
  • Gender: Male
  • It's an anagram for "dendrology" and in no way a reflection of my personality
    • Share Post
    • My Blog: A Riving Home
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2007, 01:14:24 PM »
The strength to weight ratio of spruce is among the highest of any wood, which is why it was used extensively in early airplanes (ie, the "Spruce Goose").  However, according to R. Bruce Hoadley in the book Idenifying Wood, southern yellow pine is "the densest and strongest of the commercially significant softwoods".

In some instances, OSHA does require certain species of wood for certain objects.  The ladder code, for example, allows noble fir (Abies procera) to be used for rails, but not other fir species.  This has caused some problems in legal cases due to the inherent difficulty of separating different species of fir based on wood anatomy.
"There is hardly anything in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price only are this man's lawful prey." -John Ruskin

Any idiot can write a woodworking blog. Here's mine.

Offline jokers

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1012
  • Location: New Haven,NY
  • Gender: Male
  • Chainsaw Freak
    • Share Post
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2007, 04:51:23 PM »
Good points Dodgy!

Offline TexasTimbers

  • In Memoriam
  • *
  • Posts: 4379
  • Age: 62
  • Location: Central North East Texas
  • Gender: Male
    • Share Post
    • Dovetail Spline Jig
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2007, 06:20:40 PM »
Russ are you lost ? The chainsaw forum is the one 6 levels from the top. :D ;D
The oil is all in Texas, but the dipsticks are in D.C.

Offline Furby

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 7976
  • Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
  • Gender: Male
  • Blurb....
    • Share Post
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2007, 08:25:48 PM »
Cut Russ some slack, he gets out now and then and I give him credit for that over some of the other fellows. :) :D

Offline jokers

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 1012
  • Location: New Haven,NY
  • Gender: Male
  • Chainsaw Freak
    • Share Post
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #11 on: May 30, 2007, 09:16:50 AM »
Cut Russ some slack, he gets out now and then and I give him credit for that over some of the other fellows. :) :D
Thanks Furby!  ;D

Sometimes it takes a guy like Kevjay to keep me on the straight and narrow, he`s a good dude just the same, LOL!

Offline SwampDonkey

  • Forester
  • *
  • Posts: 40978
  • Age: 54
  • Location: Centreville, NB
  • Gender: Male
  • Large Tooth
    • Share Post
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2007, 07:25:25 PM »
Spruce with tiny knots, no sweep > 1", no spiral, and 14" at 16'-6" and up are veneer grade. Not sure how the current market conditions have suppressed the prices, but they were worth as much as US$1000 per for the perfect stuff, back 6 or 7 years ago.
No amount of belief makes something a fact. James Randi

1 Thessalonians 5:21

2020 Polaris Ranger 570 to forward firewood, Husqvarna 555 XT Pro, Stihl FS560 clearing saw and continuously thinning my ground, on the side. Grow them trees. (((o)))

Offline maple flats

  • Senior Member x2
  • *****
  • Posts: 2339
  • Age: 75
  • Location: Oneida, NY
  • Gender: Male
  • Life is what you make it!
    • Share Post
    • cnymaple.com
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #13 on: May 31, 2007, 09:05:46 PM »
Thanks beenthere. That must bew the current spec. Maybe what I read on the sticker from rented scaffold years ago was outdated or maybe it was made by the rental co who just happened to have the "required spruce" to rent too.
logging small time for years but just learning how,  2012 36 HP Mahindra tractor, 3point log arch, 8000# class excavator, lifts 2500# and sets logs on mill precisely where needed, Woodland Mills HM130Max , maple syrup a hobby that consumes my time. looking to learn blacksmithing.

Offline sjh

  • Full Member x2
  • ***
  • Posts: 123
  • Age: 49
  • Location: Lyndonville NY
  • Gender: Male
  • I need to edit my profile!
    • Share Post
Re: Blue spruce...
« Reply #14 on: May 31, 2007, 10:32:59 PM »
Vince
If you get the job and want to sell them send me a PM. I would be interested in buying them.
Scott


Share via delicious Share via digg Share via facebook Share via linkedin Share via pinterest Share via reddit Share via stumble Share via tumblr Share via twitter

xx
Little Blue Spruce needs help!

Started by LUV2MILL on Urban and Community Forestry

2 Replies
1431 Views
Last post December 06, 2015, 07:41:33 AM
by timberlinetree
xx
Blue Spruce

Started by beerguy on Sawmills and Milling

4 Replies
1641 Views
Last post July 12, 2004, 01:37:15 AM
by Ianab
xx
Blue Spruce?

Started by Nate Surveyor on General Woodworking

1 Replies
1040 Views
Last post March 14, 2008, 01:43:01 AM
by Coon
xx
Blue spruce disease

Started by crazy4saws on Urban and Community Forestry

8 Replies
2540 Views
Last post November 16, 2016, 06:33:05 AM
by Al_Smith
 


Powered by EzPortal