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Started by peakbagger, September 20, 2022, 05:02:08 PM

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Knew of GP's similar product ForceField with the added moisture barrier. Similar appears to the Huberwood Zip System. 
Have yet to see a green building using it tho. Will be on the lookout. 
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peakbagger

One thing that I havent seen is if Pixelle is willing to sell the mill with no restrictions? Old Town was sold as scrap with no restrictions; thus Nine Dragons could restart it. Fraser didnt put restrictions on the deed but sold to a scrapper who tore most of it down. I think Madison had restrictions on the deed. Millinocket was mostly scrapped by the last owner. East Millinocket went bankrupt and was mostly whole but the town ended up with it and scrapped the papermachines. Bucksport was scrapped. 

Mooseherder

Maybe this has been mentioned before and I missed it.  Seems like cardboard mills should have popped up from all the home shipments going on to replace paper mills.  Retooling a building is doable. Those vans are running the highways full of boxes. 

Firewoodjoe

Our pulp mills are wide open and even lowered there spec. We are fortunate to have osb and brown paper mills. Unfortunately anything to do with magazines or computer paper was prolly a bad move years ago. 

BurkettvilleBob

The Jay closure is obviously terrible for those that are working there, but  I haven't sent any wood there since the digester failed. I'll be curious to see what the operation in Madison does for markets. I had initially heard they were hoping to largely use others by products for chips, but have recently heard of contracts with larger logging outfits.

Ed_K

 Things could change if Putin doesn't start that pipe line supplying Europe. The pipe line shut down for maintainance, but if the war keeps going the people in Europe may be looking for more pellets than the 860k tonns their getting now. Maybe firewood  ;D :D.
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peakbagger

Quote from: Mooseherder on September 24, 2022, 08:01:17 PM
Maybe this has been mentioned before and I missed it.  Seems like cardboard mills should have popped up from all the home shipments going on to replace paper mills.  Retooling a building is doable. Those vans are running the highways full of boxes.
Most of the corrugated packaging is made with recycled fiber and its costly to ship old cardboard so the mills tend to be close to the source. The owner of the Patriots owns several corrugated mills located right near big cities which reduces the cost to haul recycled fiber around. The waste cardboard has a lot of junk along with it, like plastic tape. I spent a bit of time at their plant in CT and at least half of what came in ended up getting hauled off to a landfill. For some reason they got a lot of golf balls mixed in with the recycled fiber. Years ago Bowater built a large, recycled fiber plant at East Millinocket and figured out that hauling all the recycled material up to East Millinocket didnt make sense. Sad to say, but Jay is just to far out in the woods to do anything recycled. The Chinese have talked about it in Rumford and Old Town but I don't see it happening with high fuel prices. 

SwampDonkey

Irving's Lake Utopia mill uses recycled cardboard. Amazing the amount of cardboard that goes in the recycle bin every month around here. I can imagine there is a lot of plastic tape in it, besides the sticker labels.
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peakbagger

I saw a display of stuff that came in with the fiber at the recycled mil in East Millinocket Maine years ago. They had their "first dollar" in a display case, a crumbled up bill that had come out of a rejects screen. They didnt keep track of spare change but reportedly the employees knew where the change would come out in the process. No doubt jewelry would also show up. They also had bigger stuff like small engines, car batteries, starters, alternators and all sorts of electronics and other junk that had gotten rejected. The Kraft's actually ran recycling centers for large cities near their corrugated mill in CT in order to improve the quality of the recycled material sent to the mill.  

One of the issues with recycled fiber is that it breaks down and gets weaker every time its reused. Coated paper has to be made quite strong to run through high speed printing presses so the underlying fiber is a fir/spruce kraft pulp (Kraft is strong in German). Glossy magazine paper was in great demand for recycling. The mill I worked for in Wisconsin recycled a lot of magazines. Apparently, a lot of magazines were printed and sent from the midwest to speed delivery and reduce postage. There is a lot of waste at a printing plant and we bought the scrap in bales, so we got a lot of glossy magazines including the raunchiest porn out there. When the plant gave tours, they made sure to keep the visitors away from the bales of magazines in the warehouse. The Ridgid tool calendars were printed nearby so folks would dig through the bales and try to collect the pages from the newest edition before it was sent.    

thecfarm

I am seeing the Jay mill on trailers heading to somewhere.
I am seeing contractors coming in for nuts and bolts to put things together for shipping.  :(
I was talking to one of the contractors. 
He helped built a paper mill out of state, Indiana? Then many years later, he helped tear it down.
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peakbagger

Hope I didnt miss anyone else's post of this but kind of nice to say Nevermind with respect to the former IP/Verso/Pixelle pulp and paper mill is going to be converted to a new Oriented Strand Board Mill (OSB) by a relative "local".

Godfrey Forest Products Announces New OSB Mill For Maine | Panel World (panelworldmag.com)

A nice fit and good news for the region. The former Madison Maine papermill,TImber HP, just up the road and also a "local" ownership, conversion to making cellulose based insulation seems to be doing well.  They are running late on the solid board product but given the timing of the project running through Covid and starting from near scratch its pretty impressive.

In both cases they are supplying to more regional market in products that are not readily shipped around the world due to shipping costs. The only problem is if they are too successful, other players will try to rush into the market and flood it like papermills were somewhat infamous on doing. It will be interesting if the Canadians try to jump in as the Eastern provinces have a lot of similar former pulp and papermill sites.

The western maine wood products industry seems to be picking back up, although Rumford is still a big unknown, but Eastern Maine is still looking for a savior. The biomass to jet fuel project plans sound nice at Limestone but to date is lot of smoke and mirrors, currently the delay is blamed on PFAS's, at best its 5 years out. The wood to a heating oil replacement project, levulinic acid,  at Lincoln seems to be dead in the water and as usual both East Millinocket and Millinocket still are vacant. 

The big issue these days in Maine is workforce, reportedly there are 9 jobs open for every worker. The stats are lopsided due the high housing costs along the coast and booming economy but some of that strength is heading north to some extent. 

thecfarm

I think the build will take a couple years.
Wonder what type of wood will be used?
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peakbagger

I always thought it was a mix of various softwoods and various Aspen varieties?. The big issue with OSB plants used to be VOC emissions from the wood drying and the glue setting. The plants need to collect all the exhausts from the plant and run them through regenerative thermal oxidizers to clean it up before it goes in the air. 

OSB was regarded by many as cheap alternative to "real plywood" but seems to have taken over in energy efficient construction. I think the glue formulations have changed a lot over the years. 

Mooseherder

The advantech sub flooring mentions you have up to 300 days to cover from weather.  Most builders would have it covered in a couple of days or by evening.  I'm not a big fan of osb either but it was fast and easy. Except for the lifting part. They want you to leave a 1/8 gap in between tongue and groove panels.  Wierd eh, considering the amount of glue in the panels. 

Southside

Quote from: peakbagger on March 13, 2024, 10:03:33 AMThe biomass to jet fuel project plans sound nice at Limestone but to date is lot of smoke and mirrors, currently the delay is blamed on PFAS's, at best its 5 years out.
They tried that scam in Lakeview, OR under the name Red Rock.  Left a $300 million bond mess behind - of course it was all bond and grant money so who really cares right?  Sugar beets, Flax, now jet fuel - history repeats itself in my old stomping ground.  
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SwampDonkey

They closed up an OSB plant in St Stephen, NB back in 2019. There's one in Miramachi City, NB still operating under the name Arbec. The source of all the OSB that went into my house. Most every lumber and sheathing place has Arbec product around here. You can't get nice spruce plywood at all around here, barely one good side. Full of young plantation grown knot wood.  And they want a fortune for it. Priced like high dollar birch plywood was 15 years ago. :uhoh:
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Riwaka

Roseburg in Missoula, Montana due to close in May, 2024 dues to shift away from particleboard.

https://nbcmontana.com/amp/news/local/roseburg-forest-products-in-missoula-set-to-close

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