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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2021, 07:57:34 PM »
Thank you Fadder but right Pew, Wrong Church. I am Lutheran and we feel guilty all the time. ;D

Yeah, now everything you said makes sense now. I forgot about the presets in the accuset. I have never used them. I'd have to go back to the book on that to even find them. :D  Thanks for all the good dope.
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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #21 on: November 26, 2021, 08:16:25 PM »
You can come over to Monticello and borrow my lapsider if you want to try it.
Yes you have to use two set points so each cut you have to remember to hit the button to the other setting. And remember to throw the lever.
I only have had time to use it once. It took me a while to figure the right blade drops but it is simple and works well.
I forget the dimension of the uncut cant, I just cut it to a board. 
Two guy can put it on the mill. It only takes a minute.

 
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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #22 on: November 26, 2021, 08:52:11 PM »
Rich, that is a very generous offer and regardless of whether I can take you up on it or not, I truly appreciate your offer of your time. Right now, as I said in the OP we are not doing an immediate purchase or decision. I don't want to do anything new until we have covered drying racks and storage.
 I think we are leaning toward that RS-2 when we do pull the trigger. The time spent jogging back, dropping into the cut, flipping the lever seems to me like time not having the blade in the cut. Yes, you can run it with one guy on the version you have, but the idea of getting it set once and just running material through non-stop is appealing as more efficient. Knowing the way our workflow and orders go, the orders will be a while between, but when they come, it will be many thousands of linear feet and the RS-2 will run them much faster.

 This thread was started so I could learn from the guys who know and it sure has done that. Hopefully some others will benefit also. WM is not open tomorrow, I should have called today just to check leadtime, but I will call them Monday to get a feel. It's a 7 hour round trip for us, maybe less if I leave at 4am. ;D AT any rate, I am digging in my heels until we have covered storage. I (we) need organized working space and room to handle this stuff. It's the one weak point, everything else is there to move a lot of wood products.
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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2021, 09:39:56 PM »
If you want to sell any volume of siding, the blanks really have to go through your edger, otherwise you will get customer complaints as that little dive in the cant really shows up when it's hung on a hosue.
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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2021, 08:32:22 AM »
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You wrote in reply #20; "I forgot about the presets in the accuset. I have never used them."
In some of your entries you talk about efficiency and then you say you have never used accuset, wow. 
You need to set the blade thickness to 1/8" and then set some of the 16 accuset points to frequently used lumber thicknesses, and do yourself a favor and make auto-up, auto-down and pattern the same for all three modes.
For example on my machine point 1 is 1" for all three modes and since the blade thickness is set at 1/8" when I pull the lever down the blade drops to 1-1/8" lower than the last cut.
Caution: if you set the bottom most entry for all 16 accuset points at less than 1" you are cruising for a blade scrapping episode.
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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2021, 08:45:54 AM »
Complete mis-understanding here GAB, let me correct that. I use the accuset all the time for normal milling thicknesses, saw down, saw to cant, saw to bed or whatever on every log, It's a blessing and it's fast. I had thought you were referring to the fixed point settings that are buried somewhere in there, which I have never used. If I remember the manual, I believe you can put these at any height you want. I thought that's what you were talking about.
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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2021, 09:25:23 AM »
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You are right when you said complete mis-understanding.
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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2021, 12:58:12 PM »
It's really simple, here's the wordy explanation from the manual, but really, its just a matter of pushing the cancel/reference button to enter the presets.

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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #28 on: November 27, 2021, 04:59:08 PM »
Yup, got it now, all good. I like that accuset, but I am about due to adventure into it a little more to improve my skills. It just take time and I don't like to add a new level of knowledge until I have internalized those I already use. I still don't see a lot of use for those preset points, but someday there may be a need. I am just not there yet.
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« Reply #29 on: November 27, 2021, 05:17:15 PM »
OG, I always try to push people to try that Arky jig. It costs nothing to put together and works so well that I just shake my head when I see people fighting cants and messing around with the WM lapsider jig. I used one of those once and found it painfully tedious. The thing with the Arky jig or the RS-2 is you can dry your boards and even 2 side them in a planer, then resaw them with the bevel. The Lapsider jig you'll pretty much be selling green siding. I did all of the bevel siding on our house with an Arky jig, it doesn't take very long for two people to go through a lot of linear feet with it. There would likely be 2 of you running a RS-2 as well, and I doubt the production would be any higher. Try it, if it works great and the market is there for a lot of product, buy the RS-2.
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2021, 05:45:33 PM »
Well, just a short update my buddy/boss ordered the RS-2 today. He was given a 10-14 week delivery date. That puts it around the beginning of March. Stay tuned. ;D
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« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2021, 08:56:33 PM »
You could be set up and running an Arky Jig by lunch tomorrow🤷‍♂️
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« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2021, 09:17:29 PM »
As I said earlier, the arky jig is a nice design and will work well I think, but for ongoing production work, it doesn't fit our needs. I am not going to push every board through. I want (need) that power feed to grab the board and run it through while I am grabbing the next board. Getting going soon is the last thing I want. ;D I am digging my heels in and don't want to run any of this material until we have covered drying areas. The boss is coming around to my way of thinking on this and we had a conversation about how to make that happen just this evening. We'll do some plannig over the winter and get some holes in the ground as soon as we can in March. Just another task on the list.
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« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2021, 10:40:25 PM »
Well the boss went ahead and ordered the RS2 a coupe of days ago much to my chagrin. Bu they said delivery would likely be in March. Well tonight we all had dinner together an he tells me he got a call back form WM and they have one in stock he can pick up anytime he is ready. Oy. I got enough to do already.
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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #34 on: December 11, 2021, 09:18:57 AM »
If presented with too much work, just ask him to prioritize. You want this done first, or this? 

I solved the tapered siding problem by not making tapered siding, I make a style that was used on the New World Dutch barns. You just use regular boards and kick the bottom board out with a starter strip. 

This example was 3/4"x8" boards.



 

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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #35 on: December 11, 2021, 12:25:53 PM »
If presented with too much work, just ask him to prioritize. You want this done first, or this?

I solved the tapered siding problem by not making tapered siding, I make a style that was used on the New World Dutch barns. You just use regular boards and kick the bottom board out with a starter strip.

This example was 3/4"x8" boards.


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« Reply #36 on: December 11, 2021, 01:06:44 PM »
My house has exactly the same.  Boards were all 7/8 thick, no bevel, had a starter strip.  If I had to do it all over again, I would go with the starter strip with even thickness boards, no bevel.  

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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2021, 07:27:29 AM »
I'm not a big fan of the tapered boards but hate telling customers no. So when someone asks for something special I just put a price on it. A buddy once told me that you take the first letter of special S and draw a vertical line through it $.
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« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2021, 08:59:30 AM »
I still don't see a lot of use for those preset points, but someday there may be a need. I am just not there yet.

I really like the preset points on Accuset II.  If you frequently saw 3 5/8 or 1 5/8 to get dimensional lumber, put those presets for dimensional lumber under, say number 2.  If you saw a lot of full cut lumber, put those measurements under number 3.  For live edged slabs and other frequently used thicknesses, like 2 3/8 or 3/4", those are under number 1.  I save number four for wider boards and have one stored at 16" under number four so that as I'm sawing the last board of a cant I can hit that preset, toggle up at the end of the cut. With the battery under the hydraulic box which will power the hydraulics even if the head is off of the power strip,enables unclamping and the ability to roll the last two boards back without going through the sawhead and the mill is at a good height to begin on the next log.  Sorry for a lengthy explanation of a simple process.
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Re: Woodmizer resaw (RS-2) vs. Lap siding attachment, a discussion.
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2021, 09:10:08 AM »
Nice suggestions on the full sized board options. I am a fan of this also because the boards are more robust and will likely last longer with poor maintenance.
 
 But to makes things clear, we are not adding this just so that we can make the siding for a project and the 'more work for me' I referred to was not the actual sawing of boards. What I was talking about was that we can't start making this material until we have the drying and storage figured out and ready to go. So this new workload backs up to milling all the lumber for construction of drying sheds, leveling up the ground, figuring out pads/posts/or skids and making all that happen and building the shed itself. Then some minor handling procedures and gear and possibly widening a section of road or two for access with full width lumber packs or stickered stacks. Figuring out the process of making the boards is (or should be) easy and we are all good at that. (Besides, I have all you guys backing me up. :))

 Yes, we will likely use some of these around the complex here and there, but this is a marketable product intended to satisfy the steady requests he gets for this material from customers. Bill is a business man and pretty good at it. Up until now he has been turning down lumber orders except for a very few special friends because he did not have time to make them himself. Now that he has 'roped me in' and has a sawyer he can toss orders to and know they will get done eventually he is looking to 'keep me busy' as he says. Lap siding brings 3-4 times the price of a regular board. He is also smart enough to keep me happy with a new do-dad from time to time, and spare parts I ask for, or anything else. It just takes time and I am just part-time, having my own work and clients to take care of. I am also limited in my physical ability to run that mill for hours and days straight. So the search for a part-time tailgunner is always present. When I have a helper I know my output is about 3-4 times what I do alone, mostly because I can work longer hours and push myself to make sure the helper gets a full days pay out of it.

While we are talking about this stuff, how do you folks figure out board footage on lap siding because it is no longer t x w x l /144 formula given that it is not rectangular? Does everyone just go to linear foot pricing? Still how does that relate to board footage which is how all costing is figured? Maybe that's another thread? Anybody have a typical price for their tapered siding in EWP or whatever is your common wood?

 Caveman, yes, I have used that same trick once or twice, it does save time jogging up and down to hit the mark and I continue to get batter at it. Where i need work is changing those set points, I just have not yet taken the time to get competent at it. We do all even sizes, so far, so I stick with that. Slabs are rare and usually one or two off, so I use a pencil if needed for calcs and double check everything as I go.
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