Loggers and eco-activists clash/ Vancouver Island

[Riwaka]

Logging crew and eco-activists clash on Vancouver Island.

The logging crew could take note of how the Australian loggers are being told to deal with handle activists who arrive on their logging sites.
This is likely to be a growing problem for loggers every where regardless of what they are cutting.

Forestry industry coming to the defence of loggers seen in video clashing with activists | CTV News

The eco-activists need to be wised up to the science. "theconversation.com/there-arent-enough-trees-in-the-world-to-offset-societys-carbon-emissions-and-there-never-will-be-15" Bronnie Waring - UK scientist 2021.

[mike_belben]

The protestors are following a "community organizer" format to antagonize the loggers and record the result so as to defame them as brutes and whatnot.  If anyone got beat up youd see 5 other cel phone views of it all over the place.   


Ignore the snowflakes.  Theyve been trained to bait you to action.

[Riwaka]

The recent Australian 'battles' between the eco-activists and the loggers have mainly been reported through facebook accounts.

Pretty difficult for the Australian loggers to keep their cool for reasons like turning up to work to find someone has chained themselves to the loader, or chained themselves to the tree you were going to start the buncher's work day on or some more people up in tree sits etc. All with phone cameras pointed in your direction for every move or sound you make. 

The Tasmanian battle - March 2021 summary.
Tasmania has a long history of environmental activism, and there's no end in sight - ABC News

[barbender]

My favorite story along these lines, which I cannot confirm- a grizzled ol' Finnish Ponsse harvester was confronted with an Eco-activist who had chained himself to a tree in a timber harvest. So the ol' operator just grabbed the stem up about 10', cut the tree off and processed it like he would any other tree that had a major defect at 6'. And went on with his day😂😂 I wish I had a video!

[sawguy21]

It is a common problem. The activists have no idea what or who they are protesting but it is a familiar script perpetuated by the Sierra Club and their cronies who have never seen a logging operation.

[moodnacreek]

The natural resources of North America is where our strength comes from. Just look at how we prepared for ww 2. Perhaps massive clear cuts and heavy erosion would be bad but we have been cutting trees for a long time now and darned if they don't grow back. The real problems the protesters have no knowledge of. 

[dustintheblood]

We all go home to our wood-framed houses, and wipe our rear-ends with toilet paper ---- even the activists.

[Otis1]

I've often said that I don't plan on wiping with plastic anytime soon. 

Some people don't/ won't understand what most forestry professionals are all about. I could rant, but instead I will provide an example of how we are helping natural resources more than they know. 

I am currently contract marking a USFS timber sale (Sugar Maple/ Northern Hardwoods). Well the other day I saw a huge hawk land in a tree.  I thought cool, until I noticed the stick nest right next to it. OK shut it down, get a biologist. Was a Red-Shouldered hawk, needs a 30 acre buffer. Whatever, 20 some less acres I've got to mark. 

Turns out that they tend to move they're nests into harvested areas afterwards because the hunting is easier. Funny how this works.

[moodnacreek]

And bald eagles are starting to nest in cities.

[Wudman]

I look forward to the day that some idiot chains themselves to a piece of equipment in the southern US.  Between the fire ant hills on a 10x10 grid, the mosquitos, ticks, redbugs, deer flies, and 100+ degree weather, they would have a pretty tough day rather quickly.  The fire ants would really handle the situation quickly.

Wudman

[mike_belben]

"activism" is a route for small "radical" groups to get into governing the majority without actually being popular with the majority.  it takes publicity and momentum.  and a plan to use that publicity correctly.  id love to give details of many prior successful movements but that would get political.


the eco-warriors arent doing anything new, its a carbon copy of other movement activities, adjusted for their cause.  save trees by clashing with loggers.  make loggers unpopular with the people so that the people demand govt steps in and stops loggers.  lawmakers are prostitutes for re-election, we can all agree on that right?

so you can put on a clown suit, rile up a police dog, walk right into it and get bitten for a photo op then claim police brutality against clowns. or you can chain yourself to a skidder and claim youre staying until they quit logging, get punched by a logger on camera and then claim loggers are brutal against tree lovers.

 due to instantaneous, viral, global publication of any phone camera... the world stage has become available to anyone, and is evolved into a system of credits and discredits.  discredit fodder can be generated on cue by instigating, provoking and antagonizing people who have no idea they are being instigated, provoked or antagonized.  


if you want to fight this type of warrior, you simply turn on your camera, stay calm, ignore their bait and start antagonizing them back with their own weapons.  call out and expose their tactics. tell them their plan of provoking you to doing something foolish on camera isnt going to work.  remain completely calm is #1.  ask them who orchestrated their operation, what school they got trained at etc etc.  theyll want to get unchained before they become the laughing stock of their movement who gave away the play book.

[Kodiakmac]

We all go home to our wood-framed houses, and wipe our rear-ends with toilet paper ---- even the activists.

Bingo!  There's either an incredible hypocrisy or a stunning degree of stupidity at work here.  
I never tire of pointing out to the urban greenies who have all sorts of ideas for my rural land, that the plot of land their home sits on used to be either field or forest - and a truly committed eco-warrior would set a wonderful example by bulldozing it down and returning the land to its natural state.  

[Riwaka]

Australia - eco-terrorists putting metal spikes in rural roads.

Timberbiz » Eco terrorism continues in East Gippsland with steel spikes

[sawguy21]

It is a constant problem here. The eco radicals continue to block logging operations on Vancouver Island and get the publicity they want by being arrested. Apparently some Hollywood attention seekers who have never seen the area let alone a forestry operation are getting into the act.

[Nebraska]

Yes but oh the likes and the followers they get with such exposure.  May be I will get more commercial work if I get arrested on camera. 

[John Mc]

I look forward to the day that some idiot chains themselves to a piece of equipment in the southern US.  Between the fire ant hills on a 10x10 grid, the mosquitos, ticks, redbugs, deer flies, and 100+ degree weather, they would have a pretty tough day rather quickly.  The fire ants would really handle the situation quickly.

Wudman

I wonder if any of the loggers have explained that they are here to restore fire ant habitat... and perhaps brought along a supply to be reintroduced into the wild.

[Tacotodd]

 :D

[sealark37]

When these commie "activists" defund the police, who will care if the skidder runs over a few of them?

[KEC]

The radical activists who protest against logging are cut from the same cloth as those who oppose fur and trapping. They care little about trees, forests or wildlife. They just want a grand excuse for their inexcusable, nasty behavior towards other people. And they seek their 15 minutes of fame. Much as this a cause of constirnation for us, many educated people are coming to understand that we need forest products and wildlife management. Unfortunately, those people with an abundance of ignorance can vote and influence lawmakers.

[HemlockKing]

We all go home to our wood-framed houses, and wipe our rear-ends with toilet paper ---- even the activists.

Just brainwashed people itching for a cause. Time well spent. You only live once, best be spent spouting ignorance right? Headlines taught me everything etc. 

[HemlockKing]

We had some people in NS who were complaining about the highways being cleared of brush off to the side??? They wanted them to leave trees growing to the shoulder. Never mind seeing deer or anything that might jump out. Who needs a field of vision right? 

We need those cut for our safety, obviously they hadn't brainstormed much as to why it was being cut though. 

[btulloh]

I doubt that brains are a factor with those people that.  

[Riwaka]

CNN the pellet mills, Europeans who require energy and southern communities who live too close to industrial sites.

Solutions? 

How the American South is paying the price for Europe's 'green' energy

[mike_belben]

"Environmental Racism" is all i need to see to dismiss this as CNN looking for new ways to provoke and antagonize americans toward the same civil strife they always have.  Divide and conquer. 

[HemlockKing]

"Environmental Racism" is all i need to see to dismiss this as CNN looking for new ways to provoke and antagonize americans toward the same civil strife they always have.  Divide and conquer.

Ah yes, the manufactured racism to distract us from the fact it's really the haves vs the have nots.

[mike_belben]

Anything that causes americans to fight americans makes america weaker and is a delight to every nation out there thats eager for us to fail.

[moodnacreek]

Those are words of wisdom that everyone should understand. If we ever did what we did before this country would be over quick.

[Riwaka]

Further to the 'Solutions to the issues with Pellet mills'

It appears that there has been a bumpy road for the engineers of 'air quality' solutions in the Wood processing sector. Case histories - shows legal, financial, design patent, IP, human resources etc issues. Maybe one day there could be a better system for  the licensing of patented designs, the way that engineers with company developed design knowledge can move on to new employment etc for the 'greater good'. The 'greater good' being further advances of air quality systems for wood processing facilities so the health etc of the workers and residents near wood processing facilities is not adversely effected. 

[Angry Beaver]

We had some people in NS who were complaining about the highways being cleared of brush off to the side??? They wanted them to leave trees growing to the shoulder. Never mind seeing deer or anything that might jump out. Who needs a field of vision right?

We need those cut for our safety, obviously they hadn't brainstormed much as to why it was being cut though.

Pfft, field of vision on a highway is overrated!  Who doesn't like seeing a big bull Moose or Buck suddenly jump out of the bushes and trash large truck! (Live in rural Nova Scotia)

They are also cutting a lot back down near Bridgewater to widen the highway a bit/put in some more over passes or some such.

[HemlockKing]

We had some people in NS who were complaining about the highways being cleared of brush off to the side??? They wanted them to leave trees growing to the shoulder. Never mind seeing deer or anything that might jump out. Who needs a field of vision right?

We need those cut for our safety, obviously they hadn't brainstormed much as to why it was being cut though.

Pfft, field of vision on a highway is overrated!  Who doesn't like seeing a big bull Moose or Buck suddenly jump out of the bushes and trash large truck! (Live in rural Nova Scotia)

They are also cutting a lot back down near Bridgewater to widen the highway a bit/put in some more over passes or some such.

Hello fellow blue noser! Yes Bridgewater is getting another exit put between exit 12 and 13, the area is growing exponentially, they are feeling the effects of the urban sprawl from the city. Nothing has been announced but I envision a twinning of the highway from
Bridgewater to Chester in the next decade. They twinned from tantallin to hubbards to far but I believe stop at exit 7.

[sawguy21]

I have to laugh. The enviros are blockading an unused logging road north of Revelstoke BC, apparently there are no plans to harvest the area in the near future. They will be crowing about their success when nobody shows up. :D :D Speaking of road improvements there is a push to twin Highway 1 east of Chase. That will be a real challenge with the lake on one side and the CPR main line running along the top of the rock face on the other.

[hacknchop]

I have to laugh. The enviros are blockading an unused logging road north of Revelstoke BC, apparently there are no plans to harvest the area in the near future. They will be crowing about their success when nobody shows up. :D :D Speaking of road improvements there is a push to twin Highway 1 east of Chase. That will be a real challenge with the lake on one side and the CPR main line running along the top of the rock face on the other.

They are usually happy just making the news,publicity is what drives them.

[sawguy21]

At least one of them is a local teacher in a town where a mill and logging are major employers. I can well imagine how her views are received by parents.

[mike_belben]

Dont worry, she will have those folks kids vegan, transgendered and tearing down their own economic system in no time.  

[sawguy21]

That is what concerns me.

[moodnacreek]

Dont worry, she will have those folks kids vegan, transgendered and tearing down their own economic system in no time.  

I have come to realize, the hard way, that the above is very true.

[HemlockKing]

Dont worry, she will have those folks kids vegan, transgendered and tearing down their own economic system in no time.  

It's a clown world we're in.

[DMcCoy]

I think the timber industry missed it's golden opportunity here in the NW when the stream battles started.
They should have immediately started a TV campaign showing pictures of clear cuts caused by beavers.

"You want to save the fish?  So do we!"

(insert giant picture of a stream with all the trees lying down)

"We want to restore beaver populations in ALL the streams on our timber land!"

"Help us restore the beaver and save the fish"

!!!!

[mike_belben]

Yup. Useful idiots all have the right to vote. 

[mudfarmer]

We had some people in NS who were complaining about the highways being cleared of brush off to the side??? They wanted them to leave trees growing to the shoulder. Never mind seeing deer or anything that might jump out. Who needs a field of vision right?

We need those cut for our safety, obviously they hadn't brainstormed much as to why it was being cut though.

Devil's advocate here,
Maybe it is people like me that are very upset that their hard earned tax money got put to use destroying their very own trees that are well outside the right of way?


 


 
If people were smart enough not to drive 80mph through blind corner forests at night, the highway Dept would not need an "open highway policy" that allows them to waste so much time and money messing up my property. The whole road is like a war zone. Watch out for deer? Slow down and watch out for the angry person that has watched this oak grow from an acorn.

[HemlockKing]

We had some people in NS who were complaining about the highways being cleared of brush off to the side??? They wanted them to leave trees growing to the shoulder. Never mind seeing deer or anything that might jump out. Who needs a field of vision right?

We need those cut for our safety, obviously they hadn’t brainstormed much as to why it was being cut though.

Devil's advocate here,
Maybe it is people like me that are very upset that their hard earned tax money got put to use destroying their very own trees that are well outside the right of way?


 


 
If people were smart enough not to drive 80mph through blind corner forests at night, the highway Dept would not need an "open highway policy" that allows them to waste so much time and money messing up my property. The whole road is like a war zone. Watch out for deer? Slow down and watch out for the angry person that has watched this oak grow from an acorn.

As someone who always drives the speed limit(and believe me people let me know via tailgate) I still have many close calls with deer. I bumped one not too long ago going 50 kmh on the road into town one morning, and my reaction was fast! But the deer jumped out even faster. I do agree they do a lousy job on the cutting, you’re telling me, here on my road, they just cut the tops off about 8 ft under the power line and leave a ugly mess topless tree under. Some property owners will take it upon themselves to fire wood it but it mostly remains a mess.

[SwampDonkey]

Well, for sure, it seems they are making those pellets more efficient in their approach. But pellets made up here are a way to use up excess pulp and hog material from saw mills. They don't have the pulp or hog fuel market to use it all up that they had 20 years ago. Some sawmills have even turned to making soil supplement, not ash, but the carbon, although the ash is going somewhere, probably mixed in. It's a lot different than mowing down tracts of forest just to make pellets. Seems they have masterminded a scheme to divert their emission problems onto someone else. I would just call it job creation, not emissions curtailment. Call a spade a spade. ;)

I haven't seen the power company clear our lines here since the 1998 ice storm. Other roads around have been cut back, but our road is always on the bottom of the pile of work. The road has not been resurfaced in 30 years and so far they have only patched about a 3rd of it's length and that stopped 2 weeks ago and never been back to finish the job. And a half ashed one at that. :D It's an 80 kph (50 mph) road, I've never gone faster than 60 kph (40 mph) in years, but those Mennonite women don't slacken off the pedal one bit. Bang, bang, bang in those vans and SUV's. No, I'm not picking on them, come on up and see for yourself. :D :D Irving's main woods road is  smoother from Deersdale to McGivney. Maintained better than the DOT dirt road from Cross Creek to Boiestown, which rarely gets graded, no houses. I've always said Irving needs to pay a sir tax on all the public roads their trucks destroy because there's obviously no money to maintain them. I have not seen scales on the 107 from Juniper to Williamsburgh in 10 years. :D

[Riwaka]

Western Australia -politicians call time to end the WA indigenous hardwood timber. 

Be interesting to see the short  term/ long term outcome of this decision.
Must have earned some coin at some time in the past to pay for the Tigercat and waratah.

Time's Up: Big changes ahead for WA's native timber industry - Landline

[Sailor Mars]

The problem isn't environmental activism as a whole, but rather the amount of misinformation that spreads and lack of education that protestors actually have. Instead of researching and studying what they're protesting, they'd rather take the easy path and just gobble up mass media fallacies and take out their misplaced anger on innocent forest workers and loggers.

I agree. Get angry that climate change is killing our planet. Get angry that international corporations are polluting thousands of pounds of waste and getting away with it. Get angry that sustainable energy and resources aren't being funded or advanced like they should be. But don't get angry at some fella cutting down a tree, in an area that is planned to regrow a certain way. Don't get angry at someone for trying to keep a living and put food on the table. And for edited by admin sake, don't get angry at someone while they're on the job having to work in the heat and with heavy machinery all day! As if logging can't be dangerous enough, you're going to shove your camera in someone's face and yell at them about how they're "killing the planet"?

Having a working forest and managing renewable resources properly is not what's killing the planet. Get a grip.

I wish these people would grab a book and sit down and educate themselves rather than spit in the faces of people who provide for them. Wood is an incredibly valuable material and resource and it's probably going to save our planet from all that plastic crap.

[HemlockKing]

The problem isn’t environmental activism as a whole, but rather the amount of misinformation that spreads and lack of education that protestors actually have. Instead of researching and studying what they’re protesting, they’d rather take the easy path and just gobble up mass media fallacies and take out their misplaced anger on innocent forest workers and loggers.

I agree. Get angry that climate change is killing our planet. Get angry that international corporations are polluting thousands of pounds of waste and getting away with it. Get angry that sustainable energy and resources aren’t being funded or advanced like they should be. But don’t get angry at some fella cutting down a tree, in an area that is planned to regrow a certain way. Don’t get angry at someone for trying to keep a living and put food on the table. And for F’s sake, don’t get angry at someone while they’re on the job having to work in the heat and with heavy machinery all day! As if logging can’t be dangerous enough, you’re going to shove your camera in someone’s face and yell at them about how they’re “killing the planet”?

Having a working forest and managing renewable resources properly is not what’s killing the planet. Get a grip.

I wish these people would grab a book and sit down and educate themselves rather than spit in the faces of people who provide for them. Wood is an incredibly valuable material and resource and it’s probably going to save our planet from all that plastic crap. 

[Riwaka]

Updated article on the Fairy Creek, Vancouver Island situation.

Canada: win for anti-logging protesters as judge denies firm’s injunction bid | Canada | The Guardian

[Riwaka]

Tasmanian/ Australian Member of Parliament Felix Ellis puts green mps in their place. Ellis got into office on a recount in 2020.

This is the youtube video of Ellis's (Member for Braddon) speech in the Tasmanian State Assembly. (Native Forest logging Tasmania)
nitens = Eucalyptus nitens = gum trees.
Greens Plan to Ban Tassie Native Forestry - YouTube

Ellis Drops Truth Bombs About Greens Plans to Ban Native Forestry