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I started the original Whatcha Sawin' ?? topic with this picture back in 2014. Wow, how many of our logs have become lumber and sawdust in the past 8 years??
My next sawing year will begin with 10 now 11 now 12 jobs on the schedule book. Probably the first being another whole house framing lumber job sawing 2X6's. I have a very nice ERC job that I have looked at and a cabin to saw out which will be framing lumber and siding. I have communicated with the "sand box" customer and will probably be there in February or March. :-X I know, but this is a repeat customer.
The 2022 topic is now locked so the question is: Whatcha Sawin' 2023 ??
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Slabs and cookies. Pin oak yard tree.
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Sorta reminds me of zebra wood.
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I have 32" between the guides but the log stops steal 3". Not a problem when slabbing logs but it is when sawing cookies sometimes. To regain that 3" I clamp a couple pieces of steel in place to act as a log stop.
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These cookies are right at 31" in diameter. I sawed 30 similar size cookies for this customer a little over a year ago. They sold all after making them into tables....I won't tell ya the price they get.
This job was for a repeat customer. The business is a full time gig for them. I'm proud to be supplier of choice.
I had to saw some 20' pine. This stuff kicks my butt, because it disrupts the flow of how I do things on the mill. Everything is laid out around my board drag back, but on 20' logs the head can't go past the end of the log far enough for the drag back to drop off the end and hook the board. Not to mention everything is long, awkward, and heavy.
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The sawn finish on this frozen Red Pine is pretty incredible. Running some Kasco 1.5x.050 blades that are the same profile as WM Turbo 7's. Like the Turbo 7, they also leave a lot of frozen sawdust packed on the cant though. I ordered a couple of WM Vortex blades to try.
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rusticretreater (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=57554),
A quack and a whack are the same difference. Just depends if you have webbed feet or not.
hugs, Brandi
olcowhand (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37942),
We didn't haggle long. It was actually a total of $$$. I said 300 and he said 500. Then I said 400, then he said 450. I gave him $448.25, as that was all the cash I had on hand. I broke it down into a price per log, as all I had to compare the price to was McCoys lumber online price for 8 foot 7-8 inch top posts. I did real well it seems.
hugs, Brandi
Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011),
Thanks! I was going nuts thinking of ways to contact someone to get Jeff's attention for me. I sent PMs out on TBN and got back on briefly enough to PM Jeff here. I have no idea how I did that. I remembered your Knothole webpage and found it, planning on calling you the day I connected with Jeff.
Since you got to post your ERC logs again................here is my quack, eh I mean Whack of ERC again................
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hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on January 01, 2023, 03:54:20 AM
rusticretreater (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=57554),
A quack and a whack are the same difference. Just depends if you have webbed feet or not.
hugs, Brandi
:D :D :D
Brandi, you have a good sense of humor. Glad you're back.
barbender, I have to give you credit for sawing lumber out in the cold and snow. That does not look like fun to me.
Quote from: Bindian on January 01, 2023, 04:07:39 AMSince you got to post your ERC logs again................here is my quack, eh I mean Whack of ERC again........
Yours are prettier than mine but then again, so are you. :)
Barbender, your pictures look like they could be sold as Wood-Mizer post cards.
I hope that all of you enjoy good health and prosperity this year.
Brandi, glad you clawed your way back to the forum. I would say that quack of logs was a huge score. I don't see much rot and a lot of heartwood. Should make beautiful lumber! As for the money side, you should make that back in just a couple of those logs, easy.
Happy new year!
Happy New Year all! I think in 2023 I'm gonna saw more boards than live edge. I'm getting tired of moving huge live edge slabs around. I will still saw some when I get a log that looks good for it. I do get requests for live edge tables, so maybe the ones I saw I will keep for myself and store them in my wifes office building after they are dried. I'm looking forward to sharpening all of my own blades this year.
Happy 2023 to all y'all too! ;D
And thank you Mr. Magic Man for keeping the thread going! smiley_thumbsup
I'm thinking the same, cutting more 1" boards and fewer natural edge slabs. Some of the wider sugar maple slabs I cut and dried for a year, took a slight twist from end to end. Lost a sale because of it, and as said they get heavy when you have to dig through the whole stack to find one size.
Quote from: Larry on December 31, 2022, 10:27:33 PM
Slabs and cookies. Pin oak yard tree.
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Sorta reminds me of zebra wood.
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I have 32" between the guides but the log stops steal 3". Not a problem when slabbing logs but it is when sawing cookies sometimes. To regain that 3" I clamp a couple pieces of steel in place to act as a log stop.
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These cookies are right at 31" in diameter. I sawed 30 similar size cookies for this customer a little over a year ago. They sold all after making them into tables....I won't tell ya the price they get.
This job was for a repeat customer. The business is a full time gig for them. I'm proud to be supplier of choice.
That log should give your blade good test. Steve
Quote from: Larry on December 31, 2022, 10:27:33 PM
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These cookies are right at 31" in diameter. I sawed 30 similar size cookies for this customer a little over a year ago. They sold all after making them into tables....I won't tell ya the price they get.
This job was for a repeat customer. The business is a full time gig for them. I'm proud to be supplier of choice.
If those were oreo sides it would take an awful lot of middle.
GAB
Uncle brought over white pine, Said he wanted as many 3" thick pieces as I could get. Ended up with this pile. It was about 50 degrees out and muddy.
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Planed some white poplar this afternoon for the new house. It's such an under rated species around here.
white poplar? Is that aspen, what many people call popple?
No photos, but I milled some red oak and then a few white oaks on Friday (December 30) for trailer decking. Turbo 7 (fresh from Resharp) for the first log (red oak) did a great job. One pass on the next log (white oak) looked like waves on the ocean. I put a brand new 4° on and smooth sailing for the rest of the job. Glad I brought the 4° box with me. Happy New Year to all!!!
Quote from: cutterboy on January 02, 2023, 07:00:22 AM
white poplar? Is that aspen, what many people call popple?
Maybe Kwood255 means Populus alba
White Poplar (Populus alba) - British Trees - Woodland Trust (https://www.woodlandtrust.org.uk/trees-woods-and-wildlife/british-trees/a-z-of-british-trees/white-poplar/)
Would be helpful to all if Kwood listed his location in his profile. Easy to do, just click on user name and there the profile can be updated to include where one is in the world. 8)
We don't know where "around here" is located. ;) :D
Quoted from Wikipedia
Populus tremuloides is a deciduous tree native to cooler areas of North America, one of several species referred to by the common name aspen. It is commonly called quaking aspen, trembling aspen, American aspen, Quakies, mountain or golden aspen, trembling poplar, white poplar, popple, as well as others. The trees have tall trunks, up to 25 meters (82 feet) tall, with smooth pale bark, scarred with black.
If I'm not mistaken, Kwood255 is in the Kenora, Ontario area
Some Quaking Aspen I harvested last summer. It's air drying now. :)
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Aspen will make you think you have your saw really dialed in, because you can fly through it about wide open😊 It has a lot of stress in it though. As seen in Kwoods pictures, if you work around it's quirks, it makes beautiful paneling!
I'd venture a guess that quaking aspen is the most harvested species in Minnesota. It is the backbone of our entire timber industry. We cut it down, it grows back and we cut it down again in about 40 years. Rinse and repeat.
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r>Happy and Healthy New Year to all of you. Have not been running the LT 40 we have had some not so nice weather. Had 50 and rain and the lows the next two mornings were below zero. Ice everywhere. We have had mild temps for the last week or so so I was able to finish the doors and start on the trim and siding. Really like the lap siding. I have a few cants and need a few more so I can put the lapside attachment on the mill and cut the rest. Should have the planer set up soon. Ordered a 3 phase converter the other day. The planer is 5hp 3ph.
Quote from: Resonator on January 01, 2023, 11:16:12 AM
Happy 2023 to all y'all too! ;D
And thank you Mr. Magic Man for keeping the thread going! smiley_thumbsup
I'm thinking the same, cutting more 1" boards and fewer natural edge slabs. Some of the wider sugar maple slabs I cut and dried for a year, took a slight twist from end to end. Lost a sale because of it, and as said they get heavy when you have to dig through the whole stack to find one size.
That happened to me on the first few so now I cut them to 3 inches + and then put them back on the mill after they dry and take a quarter or so off each side to true them. Saves a lot of planning.
:P
Sounds like a good way to do it Richiway. smiley_thumbsup
Of the woods I saw, sugar maple tends to twist the most.
We finally had some time and warmer weather so we pulled the mill out of the barn and sawed 2 White birch and 1 Cherry made good lumber sorry I don't have pics. But it was nice to run the saw again Temp was around 26 degrees and no wind pretty good for January 2. Randy
I have already had to update my sawing schedule twice this year. A job yesterday and another today. There will be no sawing by me until after the 9th.
I was expecting you ta say no more sawing for me 'till after today. :D
Our plans are to go to the Cabin on the 3rd and hopefully be able to stay at least until the end of the week.
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Quote from: Bindian on January 01, 2023, 03:54:20 AM
rusticretreater (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=57554),
A quack and a whack are the same difference. Just depends if you have webbed feet or not.
hugs, Brandi
:D :D :D
Brandi, you have a good sense of humor. Glad you're back.
Thanks. I am glad my humor is back too.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on January 01, 2023, 07:58:14 AM
Quote from: Bindian on January 01, 2023, 04:07:39 AMSince you got to post your ERC logs again................here is my quack, eh I mean Whack of ERC again........
Yours are prettier than mine but then again, so are you. :)
Lynn,
I am so happy you think I am prettier than your whack of cedar! :D 8) :D
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on January 01, 2023, 08:41:30 AM
Brandi, glad you clawed your way back to the forum. I would say that quack of logs was a huge score. I don't see much rot and a lot of heartwood. Should make beautiful lumber! As for the money side, you should make that back in just a couple of those logs, easy.
Happy new year!
Thanks OGH!
First thing I looked for when they dumped out of the trailer was rot and only one of the shorter logs has a hole in the center about an 1 in diameter.
Yeppers, sawing three of the biggest logs should bring back the majority of my cash outlay.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
Are you sawing them into stock and speculating on the right buyer coming by or will you custom saw them on demand once you have a buyer? If sawing into stock what sizes will you saw? I have had several of my customers with a little cedar want it sawed into thin boards to make it go further.
I sawed a juniper log into 5/8" thick stock and sold it all to a fellow for making jewelry boxes.
GAB
A few things I really don't like....... (especially all at the end of a long day) fiddle-smiley
Sawing stickers
Sawing into nails
Busted Hydraulic lines
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But I LOVE milling 5/4 Post Oak Lumber!!
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We got finished laying the floors of our holiday batch last week, maybe NA folks would call it a cottage. A place 2 hours drive from home near the beach, which we added two stand alone bedrooms to.
It has been a long hair pulling process starting at stroppy tension laiden logs right through drying, machining, laying, and finally sanding and finishing. Every step has felt like we might not end up with anything useable so it has been a struggle to keep the faith!
Finally we have furniture moved in on top of it and absolutely delighted with how it looks. Acacia Melanoxylon or Blackwood as it's called here.
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Looks very pleasing to the eye. What is the finish?
A floor wax/oil called fiddes, made in the UK. Low toxicity, rated for use on children's toys even. We had our floors at home refinished by a guy who used it and has stood up to the weather and pets very well. We only sanded the blackwood floors to 120 so it has given it a dry appearance rather that a glossy poly finish like at home, but it suits the setting up there perfectly
A couple of blowdown pines turned into about 100 board feet.
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I'm here to ask for suggestions on how to cut this
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its a Box Elder that was cut yesterday before a monsoon hit.
I would like to get the most red/flame, look in the boards, probably cut 1" thick
My first step is going to be turn and trim it so I can get the head over the log
after that it where I am looking for suggestions
I also have a couple white oak that I will quartersaw the best I can
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They will fit on the mill better
Thanks
Dave
Box elder is kind of hit and miss, not every log has the red flame streaks. You'd square it up into a cant (or cants) and keep turning it, looking for the face with the best color. I quarter saw oak by breaking to log into quarters, and turning each individual piece to cut 90° to the rings.
Turn it vertical(hopefully it is narrow enough for the saw gullet). Trim it down until it can be turned and fit in the gullet. Get it to a cant and then whatever you want after that.
Quote from: JoshNZ on January 03, 2023, 05:04:24 PM
We got finished laying the floors of our holiday batch last week, maybe NA folks would call it a cottage. A place 2 hours drive from home near the beach, which we added two stand alone bedrooms to.
It has been a long hair pulling process starting at stroppy tension laiden logs right through drying, machining, laying, and finally sanding and finishing. Every step has felt like we might not end up with anything useable so it has been a struggle to keep the faith!
Finally we have furniture moved in on top of it and absolutely delighted with how it looks. Acacia Melanoxylon or Blackwood as it's called here.
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Beautiful. Great result for your efforts!
Quote from: Machinebuilder on January 04, 2023, 10:14:41 AM
I'm here to ask for suggestions on how to cut this
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its a Box Elder that was cut yesterday before a monsoon hit.
I would like to get the most red/flame, look in the boards, probably cut 1" thick
My first step is going to be turn and trim it so I can get the head over the log
after that it where I am looking for suggestions
I also have a couple white oak that I will quartersaw the best I can
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They will fit on the mill better
Thanks
Dave
Here is some Box Elder I cut last spring.
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Boxelder is hard to keep flat while it's drying. Overcut it substantially so you've got enough meat to make something of it after it's dry. You need a lot of stock to get enough to make something, but it's striking with natural finish.
This is a fireplace surround I just recently did for a customer with some good flame in it :D. Turned out well, but took a lot to get what we needed.
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Good day sawing up this cherry even though it was snowing. I have a guy who is interested in buying 6" wide 4/4 so I got as much as I could out of the butt. It was only about 7' long and had a little punk around the pith. I'd say I ended up with about 70 board feet. I am not sure what is a fair price per bf?
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I also took the crooked section and laid it on its side and made these. The sweep meant I needed a 3" thick piece to contain the pith. I have someone interested in buying these as well. No idea what I should charge.
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Also had a broken recoil so I ended up using my electric start by hooking/unhooking jumper cables every time I wanted to start the engine. Kind of a pain. Finished up just as it was getting dark.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 03, 2023, 09:20:28 AM
Brandi,
Are you sawing them into stock and speculating on the right buyer coming by or will you custom saw them on demand once you have a buyer? If sawing into stock what sizes will you saw? I have had several of my customers with a little cedar want it sawed into thin boards to make it go further.
A customer that I sawed cedar for before requested the three biggest logs cut into 1 inch live edge. 12 foot long
When I get a chance, I will saw some for myself into 1x3s and 1x6s for window and baseboard trim.
Only spec sawing I do is SYP 8 foot 1x12s and 12 and 16 foot 2x6s. Then I post an ad on Craigslist, where folks inquire if I can cut other stuff. BIG ERC is too hard to find around here to cut hoping someone will want what you cut.
I have a Craigslist ad right now for custom cut cedar.
hugs, Brandi
I got cutting into the ERC today. A repeat customer picked out my 3 largest logs from my "quack". Cut into 1 inch live edge.
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I even got to use my Magic Hook!
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All 12 footers.......
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hugs, Brandi
Okay, first sawing of 2023. I first finished sewing up several holes in my cover using a heavy duty sewing kit similar to a sail makers kit. Heavy thread, big needles and a slow process but I think it is water tight again. Selected a 14' ash log I cut several months ago. I decided to make a few 2X6s for a future shed extension and decided to save a 3" LE mantel out of the middle.
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It was on the slope above the mill and when I gave it a nudge it rolled perfectly, centered itself gently on the loading arms just perfectly. This is starting off real good!
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The mantel turned out real nice. I cut a foot or so off the butt end and about 3' off the top leaving a 10' mantel. Did you know a 3" thick X 10' X 18" average width ash mantel is heavy! I did finally get it slid on the stack. I have a dozen or so but did not have an ash one.
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I got 6 nice 2X6's and one that will trim out about 8' and I saved about 70' of 2X2 strips for various projects around the place so that log returned about 178 bf. I even took a couple of the edgings over to the TAS and cut them into 6" pieces for fire starter and may do so more.
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Ground to soft and muddy for the big tractor so I hitched up the log arch to move some ash over to the mill. Even that was mucking up a bit so I really need some freeze. The bark on these logs comes right off exposing the tunneling of those little EAB buggers.
I decided to take advantage of a nice sunny day
As I anticipated I fought the Box Elder log trying to get it positioned so the mill would go over it. This is why a Wide mill would be nice.
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With a little trimming I got the first and second side cut, I could not get the 3rd side rolled right to have it square to 1 and 2.
and then while turning it to 4 I knocked the mill off its foundation. I do have plans to redo it (again), but for now I set it back and checked the level on the bunks
I sawed at 6/4 after seeing Boonesyards comment about being hard to keep it flat
I ended up with several really nice looking boards
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I need to stack and sticker it today, and then I'll need to do some repairs and alignments on the mill
Thanks for the comments
I decided to saw a few stock logs to use up a few hours left before service is due.
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A nice little 8' walnut butt log and a couple of white pine tops leftover.
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Did I mention it was walnut? ::) This was after I sawed through 2 wires on the other face and flipped it 90 degrees so I could saw parallel to them. Of course this was a brand new, first cut ever 4 degree blade. :( I cut the log in half and got several pretty 4' boards.
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I cut the outer sap wood jacket board into a 1X12 to use for birdhouse tops. Its showing a little sap but would not sell for a walnut board. Its hard to see in the picture but you can see that typical green tint common to walnut.
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5 each 3/4" X 8" X8' and 3/4" X 6" X 7" I'll use for making composting toilets. Not a lot but nearly 2 walls from scrap tops that would not even make great firewood.
When I finished I decided to cut up a long spruce heart into firewood lengths for fire starter. I had just gotten my old Stihl 440 back from the shop. I cut the walnut 10X12 cant into 3 firewood logs, the tops off the little WP, then after about 8-10 cuts in the spruce the saw spit twice and seized tighter than Dick's hatband. No pulling that cord. I am pretty sure that is it for it. The chain will turn but the starter cord ain't budging.
Total lumber produced 105 bf, dead saw, not my most productive day (But I did not injure myself.)
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 10, 2023, 04:35:06 PM
I decided to saw a few stock logs to use up a few hours left before service is due.
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A nice little 8' walnut butt log and a couple of white pine tops leftover.
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Did I mention it was walnut? ::) This was after I sawed through 2 wires on the other face and flipped it 90 degrees so I could saw parallel to them. Of course this was a brand new, first cut ever 4 degree blade. :( I cut the log in half and got several pretty 4' boards.
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I cut the outer sap wood jacket board into a 1X12 to use for birdhouse tops. Its showing a little sap but would not sell for a walnut board. Its hard to see in the picture but you can see that typical green tint common to walnut.
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5 each 3/4" X 8" X8' and 3/4" X 6" X 7" I'll use for making composting toilets. Not a lot but nearly 2 walls from scrap tops that would not even make great firewood.
When I finished I decided to cut up a long spruce heart into firewood lengths for fire starter. I had just gotten my old Stihl 440 back from the shop. I cut the walnut 10X12 cant into 3 firewood logs, the tops off the little WP, then after about 8-10 cuts in the spruce the saw spit twice and seized tighter than Dick's hatband. No pulling that cord. I am pretty sure that is it for it. The chain will turn but the starter cord ain't budging.
Total lumber produced 105 bf, dead saw, not my most productive day (But I did not injure myself.)
Just take the muffler off and look in the port. They break the land on the piston and a piece of the ring will lock it up.
You can buy a aftermarket piston online. The cylinders are very hard and is most likely OK or you can buy the piston cyl as a kit. Buy the ones made in Italy not China. Easy job.
Howard,
I am thinking I will have to cut some ERC on speculation. I had someone answer the Craigslist ad wanting two 8 foot 1x12s. Just two boards.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 10, 2023, 04:35:06 PMthe saw spit twice and seized tighter than Dick's hatband. No pulling that cord. I am pretty sure that is it for it.
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Hey Bindian. they store pretty well. so could advertise custom milling of ERC. especially if it hard for you to get. I have them in the yard for years, and they remain nice. cut well even very dry. Knuckle bumps! Doc.
Brandi,
You could reply to the customer:
1. They have to buy the whole log and they will get the rest of the lumber too or
2. Give them a gosh-awful price for the 2X12s and set the rest lumber aside for the next customer (Don't be surprised at what they will be willing to pay for them either)
Lynn,
I suspect I will be buying a new saw this morning from my repair guy. He has an Italian brand (something like Etsy or such) that he sells and they have a good price and a 5 year complete warranty - which is very attractive. I worry about the unknown foreign brand but he is the one who will be maintaining it and I like to use local dealers. He has been good on everything I have taken him so far including my mill.
I bought a Makita one time for that reason and it was a very good saw for many years till my dealer retired then I had nobody to fix it. I have used Stihl for many years but my 441 died a few months back ($700-$800 to repair) and this one has been at the shop more than it has home.
Quote from: doc henderson on January 11, 2023, 08:16:28 AM
Hey Bindian. they store pretty well. so could advertise custom milling of ERC. especially if it hard for you to get. I have them in the yard for years, and they remain nice. cut well even very dry. Knuckle bumps! Doc.
Doc,
Cut well even very dry? They always (to me) cut well. So far I have been cutting them and not stickering them. I haven't seen a problem with that.
So do you sticker them when left in the yard? I have been stacking them on dried SYP stickers, only on the bottom, and haven't seen any adverse affects.
Is it better to leave it in logs, or cut it and stack it outside?
Also, I don't fist bump. Even during covid, I carried a bottle of alcohol with me and kept shaking hands. Then I would offer to spray their hands also. My Dad taught me to give a firm handshake. Every time I shake someone's hand, I think about Dad telling me that, when I was 8 or 9.
How about.....................hugsandbumps, Brandi
Brandi,
If you have not sawed a lot of ERC remember to watch that sawdust chute as it is real stringy and tends to clog up the chute if not cleared often. I have the same problem with old thick barked tulip poplar sometimes.
Brandi, when I have logs that keep well like cedar, I prefer to just leave them as logs and fill people's orders from them. In a perfect world, I'd have it all sawn and inventoried ahead of time, but then someone would just come with a list of sizes I didn't have on hand anyways.
Personally I would leave them in log form until you have a cut list. That way there is no loss plus the customer's lumber will retain the color instead of fading out.
The price of big erc posts went insane a couple years ago. Not so much 4 X 4's but 6 X 6 and bigger. Price a 8 X 8. When I score a load I saw posts with the jacket boards at 1" live edge. Charcuterie stock.
Big round/unsawed, bark-on cedar logs/posts are popular with builders here for front porch posts/columns so you might talk to local contractors and see if they are interested.
Nothing. It is 52 degrees and has been pouring rain all night. Boot sucking mud again. Can not skid logs, load sawmill, or move sawmill for now. It will take several days of dry cold before I can get back out there.
Made myself get out and do a little sawing today even though we are getting a few little snow showers.Cut a pretty nice poplar.Ended up with around 120bf of 1" sheeting which will go on my woodshed project.
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Quote from: Larry on January 12, 2023, 09:27:34 PM
The price of big erc posts went insane a couple years ago. Not so much 4 X 4's but 6 X 6 and bigger. Price a 8 X 8. When I score a load I saw posts with the jacket boards at 1" live edge. Charcuterie stock.
What is Charcuterie stock?
hugs, Brandi
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Cut up some red oak and maple yesterday. Tossing some more hardwood logs in this morning.
QuoteWhat is Charcuterie stock?
Wood used for making fancy cutting boards for serving meats and cheeses. (If you call cutting boards a fancy name they're worth more money.) ;D
under 30 most know what it is. over 50 hardly anyone does. i guess we can learn a thing or two from the younger crowd. I have made over 200 since i was asked to make one for a wedding 5 years ago. not really for cutting, more for display. I engrave a design that would be damaged. I add the name, pronunciation and definition of Charcuterie.
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raffle winner sister-in-law on the left, and nurse manager in our ED, wife of the burn victim on the right. was for a fund raiser after he left the burn unit.
Looks a lot like a cheese board to me. :D
cheese boards are for old people. Charcuterie is for the under 30 crowd. can present all kinds of snacks/food to eat while chatting. counter or table. We did 12 for the young lives Christian youth group fund raiser. one on each table. meat, cheese, crackers, nuts and fruit to snack on before the main meal. table leaders got to keep the boards. if used as a cutting board, they will quickly not look as nice. could pair the with a cutting board for older stubborn recipients. :snowball: :D :D :D Howard.
Since I get invited to eat out with more old folks than young ones I guess I better stick with cheese boards. :D I guess if there is a knothole that is not a defect just a built in bowl for the nuts to go in. ::)
OK, I stand corrected. Not really a cutting board.
I suppose I'm pronouncing it wrong too... "shark-shootery". :D :D :D
Charcuterie - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcuterie)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charcuterie_board
Resonator, if I have it right it's "shar-coo-ter-ee"
Like Cooter on the Dukes of Hazard? ??? ;D
(Alright I got it, I do know how it's pronounced). :P
(shar-coo-tah-ree) emphasis on the second syllable, depending on where you are from. :D :D :D
deep south (shhh ah shoot hairy) 8) :)
That's why I won't never get rich! I'm out there sellin' cheese boards and everbody else is sellin' Charcuterie platters. ::) They ain't no justice in this world. >:(
And on Amazon will be "cheese board" in the various descriptions. ;) ;)
Amazon.com : charcuterie boards (https://www.amazon.com/s?k=charcuterie+boards&crid=3BEISH1GXKLHU&sprefix=chartcu%2Caps%2C436&ref=nb_sb_ss_sc_2_6)
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 15, 2023, 11:19:02 AM
I guess if there is a knothole that is not a defect just a built in bowl for the nuts to go in. ::)
That hole is where you spit the olive pits.
I am sorry I asked! What happened to good ole cheese balls?
hugs, Brandi
I love the containers the cheese ball puffs come in. it is where shop rags go. for wood workers, most of my charcuterie boards go for 125 bucks. although the majority are gifts. some planing, sanding, relief of edges with an 1/8th inch round over. engrave a letter and definition of charcuterie. mineral oil or butcher block oil. and done. good use for the scraps. the uglier the better usually.
We go through a pile of those charquterie thingys. They sell like crazy
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I like the handles. for bulk we offset the handle so you can get more boards. they look great! do you mind if I ask what you sell them for? finish?
With a handle, it looks like a bread board (just sayin'). :D
Resonator, obviously you need to learn a few things about high level marketing😁
Yup, if you can reach the right clientele, then you can get the high dollar price.
for $99.95 it can be anything you want! :D :D :D
Bread board - $5
Cheese board - $6
Bois du Pain - $89.95
Bois du frommage - $94.79
Dang it, it costs money to get me speaking Francais!😁
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As long as they sell, I'll call em anything they want me to call em :). I just use food grade mineral oil, easy for the customer to recoat when they want to. Price varies $60-$80.
Ow my neck. @Dan R (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=25341) , you know you can rotate your pictures in your photo album. I think if you go to the pics in the photo album and fix them, that will correct them in the post.
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Brad
I rotated them in my gallery but they stayed off by 90 still. I now know how to next time
Dan
Click the Modify button on your post above. Highlight the picture and delete it, then re-add it with the same one you rotated and then click Save (at the bottom).
looks good!
After getting into trouble this morning about not following my Doctor's "no duty/limited duty" orders, I did manage to saw a bit of lumber.
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Twenty 2X6's and thirty 1X6's. That SYP sawdust surely did smell good.
No picture but I am pretty sure I sawed a 14' and a 15' locust pole today for my extension on my pole barn. I did not try to totally square them but did try to get a flat face on all 4 sides and pretty much did that. I think the 15' ended up 8.5" X 7" X 15' and the other was 6" X 7" X 14'. The building is not a square shape anyway but it is the last spot I can build another bay on to it. Will be about 12' on the front and about 8' deep connecting to an angled rear wall to match the lay of the land and an overhead powerline.
The wife and I were doing the monthly food shopping today and she saw this and laughed. Apparently you can now buy a kit, Just add meat and cheese. Kind of like buying a kit car where you just have to add a body, frame, and engine. :D :D
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And NO, it doesn't include the board either. You have to get that from an upscale woodworker. ;D
So a re-labeled fruit and nut basket is all the rage now?
Apparently so. :D :D
If my Pop were alive he would just say "P.T. Barnum was right." and shake his head. (A fool and his money are soon parted.)
Quote from: doc henderson on January 16, 2023, 10:32:11 AM
I like the handles. for bulk we offset the handle so you can get more boards. they look great! do you mind if I ask what you sell them for? finish?
Doc,
How about some photos of your Charcooterie boards?
What all wood species make good boards?
Will ERC work?
hugs, Brandi
Any time I'm working on the black walnut stack and come across a straight log with a crotch at the end, the crotch usually goes into small slabs for this sort of stuff, and the barrel goes into boards.
I sealed one for the photo of a listing last week. Not how you'd finish a charcuterie board but a good way to show off a finished look to the newbies who don't know what they're looking for. A lot of the charcuterie guys are into black walnut or acacia.
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I have lots of pics of them, but in other threads. I have done ERC boards prob. 20+. as long as they know not to use it as a cutting board, as the soft wood will scar easily. esp. if there is engraved decoration. I guess they could use it for that if they want. I have done some pine with knots and blue stain. Maple is great with spalting and if branches with have lots of chatoyance.
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there is a sampling, including ERC. Elm is very interesting and pretty. most are walnut and maple. get the stump with branches from a soft maple, and let it sit and spalt. then saw and dry a bit. min. finishing and sanding. dull sharp edges. remove bark but for special circumstances (BSA) some want sophisticated and others want rustic. I have about 50 blank around my shop, so the person can pick one out. plane sand, engrave sand apply oil. I can do one in less than an hour.
I have done some the size of a stove topper or noodle board. standard electric range is 30 inches wide, and good for 22 inches deep. give more counter space for get togethers. noodle board are for letting fresh noodle dry and keeping the flour mess contained. can be all the above. I have several friends that have me do their engraving. you might find someone in the area, or just make the boards and sell them to the engraver. we barter. the guy that does duck, goose and turkey calls, has given me quite a few.
JoshNZ, that is a nice BW crotch. I also like the way the sawhorse is hinged. When not in use it takes up little space. I should redo mine.
@kelLOGg (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=3036) we made a bunch of those as bar leaner stands for a bbq one day and they got put to work after that. Two rectangles, join at the top with a pair of hinges, set the foot spacing as desired and thread a rope through a hole in the bottom board of each side and tie a knot up snug so it can't pull back through
Been sawing for a decade. Still reaping enjoyment from it, and have made many new friends, and also lost a few along the way. Currently sawing Bald Cypress, 100 year old syp logs, 30 foot power poles, walnut, cedar and poplar.
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Lookin good Deese.
You're one of the few that has a long mill under a roof.
Looking mighty fine my friend and Congratulations on reaching your 10 year sawing anniversary. thumbs-up
I'm going to create a thread titled "What Not To Do". It could cover anything related to sawmilling and would surely result in some good conversation. I may not be able to tell someone what they "should do", but if someone wants to know what "not to do", then I'm your man :D.
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Sawed another poplar this afternoon.Don't have to worry about lowering my toe board.It falls out when I roll the log.Got around 110 bf of sheeting out of this one.No high production up here.Took me a couple hours :laugh:
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A new customer brought these 5 slabs the other day to saw in half. He thought it was walnut? Is he right?
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These photos are from the customer. I forgot to take photos when we halved them.
hugs, Brandi
Looks like black walnut to me
That is what I was thinking.
hugs, Brandi
There is a distinctive smell to Black walnut. But if not familiar with that smell, hard to use it for identification.
BT,
That is like telling someone that a groundhog tastes like a cross between a raccoon and a porcupine. If they have never eaten a raccoon or a porcupine it does not tell them much does it? :D :D :D
I assume you are cutting them in half thickness wise? great job. I have done that once to get sentimental boards double the surface for paneling. thanks Brandi.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 22, 2023, 03:04:03 AM
BT,
That is like telling someone that a groundhog tastes like a cross between a raccoon and a porcupine. If they have never eaten a raccoon or a porcupine it does not tell them much does it? :D :D :D
And that is why I didn't tell Bindian that. :D :D :D
Doc, my interp was cutting in half lengthwise. Bindian can confirm which a way. ;)
I was also assuming it meant she was "resawing" them into thinner boards. I periodically have someone bring me some Chestnut 2X6s or some redwood planks from old water tanks or such to resaw into thinner boards like that. I have had customer bring me walnut or cherry or such to resaw. It is usually risky for me due to old missed nails and having to get real close to the clamp and dogs on the bottom of the mill.
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I managed to saw a couple nice cedars yesterday after I got done with a customer's pine logs.
Quote from: doc henderson on January 22, 2023, 08:45:00 AM
I assume you are cutting them in half thickness wise? great job. I have done that once to get sentimental boards double the surface for paneling. thanks Brandi.
Doc is right. I made 2 inch slabs into two, 1 inch boards.
Hit a pig, win a prize. Doc's prize is bragging rights for today.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 22, 2023, 03:04:03 AM
BT,
That is like telling someone that a groundhog tastes like a cross between a raccoon and a porcupine. If they have never eaten a raccoon or a porcupine it does not tell them much does it? :D :D :D
Howard,
Every Texan knows that after eating raccoon and porcupine, groundhog is tasteless. That is why we don't eat any of them. I guess our tastes have been diminished from eating too much TexMex.
FYI.........raccoons make excellent pets, until they don't. Don't ask me how I know this.
I smelled Black Walnut years ago, when I was helping Dad cut firewood. But I slept since then. Neither of us knew what it was, it is so rare down here. We, back then, were thinking it was Black Jack Oak.
Customer said his kids brought it down from Wisconsin, where he was from.
hugs, Brandi
I find ground hog has a similar taste to Bald Eagle.
With a hint of grey wolf😊
Me and an old Indian fella cooked a porcupine once. I immediately understood why it is considered "survival" food- it's not fit for eating if you're not starving🤢🤮 Honestly, the meat kinda tasted like chicken, iirc. The problem was that porkies have a very peculiar odor. Kind of sweet, sour, pungent and musky all rolled into one and that smell was in the meat. Kind of like a rutted out old buck, or I've had pork where the meat had an overtone of a pig farm. Otherwise, the porkie wouldn't have been bad at all, maybe even tasty. Shoots, for all I know it could've been a big ol buck porcupine in rut🤷♂️😂
Another porcupine story- one of my great uncles, my grandad's brother, had a pet porcupine at one time. It was free to roam as a wild animal, but every few days it would come to visit. I guess it would crawl up in Uncle's lap and he would pet it, and the porky made a purring sound.
Anyways, the porcupine hadn't been seen in a while, and Uncle was getting a little worried. Then one day he saw him out in the yard, so he went and opened the sliding glass door. He finally got it to come in the house, but it seemed a little cantankerous. Uncle got it some food, and glanced outside and saw another porkie in the yard. Turns out, it was the tame one, he had herded a wild one into the house😂 If you knew Uncle, this would make more sense. He was, as my Grandpa always said, "a big hearted goof", and had probably the thickest skull of anyone I've ever known. On another occasion I heard Grandpa mumble that Uncle, "is so stupid he ought to be committed"😂😂
I had a roommate in med school and his brother would give us ground deer meat from the "farm". I assumed they have had nuisance tags for the ones there,... or not. the butchering may have left something to b desired, as we often made spaghetti with it, and it tasted ok at the time, but when I exhaled, I could smell essence of wet deer hair. got to where i could not eat it. but I was never starving, but usually the opposite.
Quote from: doc henderson on January 22, 2023, 04:07:41 PM
I had a roommate in med school and his brother would give us ground deer meat from the "farm". I assumed they have had nuisance tags for the ones there,... or not. the buttering may have left something to b desired, as we often made spaghetti with it, and it tasted ok at the time, but when I exhaled, I could smell essence of wet deer hair. got to where i could not eat it. but I was never starving, but usually the opposite.
Were they properly butchered or just field dressed then "ground" with a 12" tree chipper?
Mmmmm, fur!
Quote He finally got it to come in the house, but it seemed a little cantankerous. Uncle got it some food, and glanced outside and saw another porkie in the yard. Turns out, it was the tame one, he had herded a wild one into the house
Reminds me of a story... popcorn_smiley
Seems this salesman stopped by a farmer's place and introduced himself, the farmer had a big dog standing next to him. Salesman asked "Does your dog bite?" Farmer says "Nope." Salesman goes to pet him...GROWL! "YEOUCH!" the salesman yelled. Then he says "I thought you said your dog didn't bite?!!" Farmer says "That's not my dog." :D
Brandi.
I am well familiar with pet raccoons. I caught several and gave to friends to raise and my son had one when he was in college. He even had a permit from DNR for him and they took him to WVU and had him neutered and shots by a friend of our daughter who was in the vet program. My son took Chester everywhere with him and my wife made the coon a harness. They'd throw him a small crappie to eat so he'd stay out of the minnow bucket while they were fishing. He was fine unless he had food and he would always eat you up over food. Chester was a real "chick magnet" and everywhere Sean took him out for a walk the girls would want to come pet and play with him. Every teenage boy should have a pet raccoon.
We also had a pet doe that came a went as she pleased here at home. The mother was killed by a car when Spot was about the size of a cat. We'd milk the goats and feed the deer and Morris, the big orange tom cat would lick the milk off her face and they grew up to be big buddies. It was funny when they were older and Morris would stalk Spot like a leopard stalking an impala. He would get close and charge with his paws spread but not out. Spot would be watching him out of the corner of her eye and she would whirl and kick a hoof over his left ear and they'd run is circles a few times, stop and sniff noses then go their separate ways.
Brandi and WV sawmiller, my wife wants to know if they were litter box trained?
Chester would use a litter box but he would not cover his pile.
Is anybody sawing curly birch ? Or does anyone have curly birch sitting around looking for a new home ? I need a small whack .
I'm not familiar with curly birch, but Ive got some white birch already in cant form.
Sorry, just looked up curly birch on the google. I should have done that before I replied......
Quote from: KWH on January 22, 2023, 08:18:41 PM
Brandi and WV sawmiller, my wife wants to know if they were litter box trained?
My "Critter" was kept in a cage behind the garage under the eve. So no potty training.
hugs, Brandi
Finishing up a cedar order for tomorrow. Life is so precious and short. I'll always know how long I've been making sawdust because I started around the time my boy came into this world. He may be growing up faster than I prefer but he'll always be my little boy. He will be 10 years old next week.
He's already talking about trucks. I told him he better start working and saving his money like his daddy did. He's not too keen about that idea yet :D
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The kids are definitely a good indicator of how quickly time passes. Our youngest just turned 12.
About 1200 bf of white pine on the deck for morning.
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Those are some dandys right there. I bet you'll get more than 1200.
If I remember right curly comes from yellow birch .Maybe white has curl also.
Whether it saws that way I don't know, but I've seen curly grain in a lot of white birch I'm processing for firewood. Most white birch is straight grained and pops open nice, you can definitely tell the difference when you get into the curly stuff it's almost like elm.
When I looked up curly birch it said that it was caused by a genetic defect and it only grew in Finland and Russia. That must be a specific type because like many things "curly" can have varying degrees.
I have had soft maple that I believe Danny referred to as curly. there is quilted and birds eye. it may also be in the area of branches ect.
About ten or maybe fifteen years ago , I got my curly birch from the U.P. area. My guy tells me that no one is bothering to cut birch trees . He used to go to the mills and buy the curly birch logs.
Quote from: Bindian on January 21, 2023, 11:35:26 PM
A new customer brought these 5 slabs the other day to saw in half. He thought it was walnut? Is he right?
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These photos are from the customer. I forgot to take photos when we halved them.
hugs, Brandi
I am leaning towards butternut, as it's kind of bland.
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Cut a big pine with ant damage. Nice here in upstate NY 40 degrees and sunny.
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Some nice furniture slabs and lumber. the center went in the junk pile.
QuoteCut a big pine with ant damage.
Ants came after the damage was caused by decay/rot in the pine. Good indicators of rotten wood.Might make some good boards when dried and finished off nice.
my buddy Dallas wanted to know if I wanted some ERC logs? No, I have 200 logs in my yard. nest question would I saw them for making a table with epoxy for him and a buddy? yes.
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killing ants and flashing off some moisture. 5 inches thick.
A nice day up here today.Ground dried up a little so I loaded deck up with pine.Give me something to do on the next rainy day or two :laugh: <Same tree that fell across my driveway when it was 5 degrees.Now I'll get my revenge.br>(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/68995/6CDEC191-8856-4763-AD88-43A324FD2CC2.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1674946313)
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Quote from: Stephen1 on January 26, 2023, 06:44:32 PM
Quote from: Bindian on January 21, 2023, 11:35:26 PM
A new customer brought these 5 slabs the other day to saw in half. He thought it was walnut? Is he right?
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These photos are from the customer. I forgot to take photos when we halved them.
hugs, Brandi
I am leaning towards butternut, as it's kind of bland.
Does Butternut grow in Wisconsin?
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on January 28, 2023, 05:42:04 PM
my buddy Dallas wanted to know if I wanted some ERC logs? No, I have 200 logs in my yard. nest question would I saw them for making a table with epoxy for him and a buddy? yes.
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killing ants and flashing off some moisture. 5 inches thick.
Dang Doc, I could bring the gooseneck up and take a load off your hands. Seriously.
hugs, Brandi
Those are neat cedar cookies, Doc.
QuoteDoes Butternut grow in Wisconsin?
Yes it does (even a town named Butternut in Wisconsin). Sawn it a couple times, makes nice hardwood boards.
Res I know you sing some country music, so when you mentioned you had sawn it, I thought it was you had seen the town of butternut, and was using the past tense for having seen it. "sawn". :D :D :D
Brandi, not sure it would be cost effective. I get it free, and my buddy has about 600 more logs 20 feet long and already limbed. He is clearing some pasture ground (about 100 acres) of these trees. the ground was unattended for 30 + years. Let me know if you happen to be up this way with a trailer.
Yup Doc, I've Seen it, sawn it, been there, and done that. :D
Funny how ERC is prevalent in some areas and scarce in others. Around here, I could cut it and sell it for closet paneling all day long.
Tried sawin' ERC once, not gonna try than again! ::) I started sneezin', eyes waterin' and got da itches something fierce. I'll stick to Northern White Cedar it's lots better stuff. :D
I'm enjoying some frozen log sawing today. It's 20 deg out so not too bad. Dress appropriately and get going. Doesn't even feel cold. One added benefit is that frozen cants and boards slide really well across the bunks. That really helps sawing logs that are at max length for the mill. A lady brought me 5 oak logs on a little trailer that was not happy about the weight. The logs are all about 15" diameter and she wanted 6/4 boards for flooring in some sort of barn loft. She was really dismayed when I gave her an idea how many boards she would get out of each log. She didn't care how wide they were, so I told her I would just do my best to maximize the logs. She's getting mostly 6" wide boards with a few more and a few less.
ERC for a new business and it's sauna.
That's all I know smiley_blue_bounce
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I was sawing a walnut log that my tree guy brought over because he knew I had the mill and hated to see this log go to waste. It maxed out the capacity of my Woodland Mills 130 Max - the log at the crotch was over 28" wide. But I'm happy with how it came out. First time cutting walnut. I liked the smell.
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Meanwhile, I was talking to my neighbor's tree guy, turns out he was the one who mysteriously delivered some nice 14' long pine logs in my driveway last fall. He was taking down some more pine. Said he would bring me some logs -easier to haul them next door for me instead of across town to have them turned into mulch. So my first batch of logs from this offer was about 5 logs, some too skinny to be really worth sawing. Fine, i said to myself, I really don't need to cut up more pine, I don't have room for the stuff I have already cut and the last batch I got started to get pine sawyer beetle holes and blue stain before I could get to it. Five logs is great. Came back the next day and he dropped off the rest - 12 more logs, these ones up to 22-24" diameter and 14-16' long. So I go from too skinny to be worth sawing to too big to lift with my FEL! But the price of the logs can't be beat!
Then this morning, my other neighbor was having bunch of pine taken down, by a third tree guy who has been generous with logs in the past. It was all I could do to not go over during their break and ask for the logs to be dropped off at my place. If I didn't have 17 logs waiting on being milled, I just might have! But there's only so much I can saw between now and when it will be too warm and the bugs and blue stain will return. It was 50 yesterday, which is frighteningly unusual for January...
So if the title of the post is "whatcha gonna be sawin'" the answer is all this pine.
Deese, the saunas can get hot. so be sure to set the pitch at the max temp of above. you do not want someone sitting in a glob of hot pitch. lol they can prob. do it in place if need be.
Cedar is the wood of choice for saunas, not only for the decay resistance, but denser woods will burn your backside😬
4x4's & 6x6's this morning. And a nice pile of edger boards.
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Quote from: barbender on January 30, 2023, 07:37:52 PM
Cedar is the wood of choice for saunas, not only for the decay resistance, but denser woods will burn your backside😬
And as a customer told me ..Some people are allergic to cedar, she wanted Basswood, as it is another great wood for saunas as it is non allergic.
I milled about a 1K bf of Cedar this week: Nasty, stringy, dodi on the inside. Not near as pretty as Deese's. He definitely had better logs. Cedar really dulls a blade quickly.
Stephen, that makes a lot of sense. Basswood is about as bland and innoffensive to the senses as can be, and nearly as light as cedar so it shouldn't burn the buns😁
One of my friends built a sauna out of a variety of species of boards he had acquired over the years. There are boards in there that look great, but you don't want to touch when the sauna is up to temp😬 If you made some white oak sauna benches you'd probably regret it😂
Burnt buns huuh? These threads always get back to food don't they? :D
Deese, good thing you have an edger. That would be a lot of boards to edge on a mill.
btw, nice looking posts.
sand in the bark is standard, and even the wood has sparkles through it. not sure if it is silica but may dull blades. It is so soft, that I can usually run a dull blade for a while.
White cedar dulls a blade surprisingly fast for how soft it is. It grows in the swamp where there is no sand to blow on it, I assume that it has silica in the bark and wood.
Hard to find ERC on the shore. I can get some white cedar and have a customer that is adding a sauna to his new home. Would white cedar be good for a sauna?
Just sawing some regular old White Pine.
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Quote from: tmbrcruiser on February 03, 2023, 05:40:54 AM
Hard to find ERC on the shore. I can get some white cedar and have a customer that is adding a sauna to his new home. Would white cedar be good for a sauna?
White cedar works great, I hav it in my sauna, try to put clear cedar where you sit as BB has pointed out the lots will burn your tush!
That's when up north they cut a hole in the ice on the lake, and jump in... yikes_smiley :o :D
Quote from: mapleveneer on February 03, 2023, 07:13:22 AM
Just sawing some regular old White Pine.
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Nice mill!
I've been working on my latest shed extension and sawed 5-6 locust fence posts into 8/4 LE slabs for sleepers on top of my gravel for a floor. I needed 3-4 2X4s for framing so while I was at it I bucked a 13' log off a 23' top I had above the mill. I was able to spin and just roll it downhill to the mill. I got 5 2X4s and one 2X2 strip off the log. I like cutting for my own use as I know whether a little bark is acceptable for for my purpose. Lots of times I have good customers who will grab a board I was going to edge an inch or two off and say "That's fine for what I'll be using it for." I did not bother with a picture of this small cut.
Sawed some WP into 1x's a few days ago. Also got some highly valuable 8) blk walnut from the sticker pile: 20 % moisture on my Wagner MMC 205. Will have to get it kiln dried before starting on a couple of dining room tables. Crazy weather will have us from -40°F windchill this morning to +45°F on Monday. All the best, Rob.
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worked on a bit of ERC for raised bed planter at my friend and coworker Shawn's farm. I will get more logs in return.
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he will make them 5 x 13 feet and 30 inches tall. full 2 x 6 material with 4 x 4 posts to anchor and support the ends and sides.
I was piddling on my shed extension and stopped to recharge the drill battery and eat a late lunch. A many times repeat customer called and wanted to come get some slab wood. He burns some and uses some for redneck projects. In this case he needed to build a duck pen. I met them and told them I'd be standing clear because my wife has covid and I'd lay odds on me having it too. They were picking through the pile and his young helper said they need 4 posts 8'X4"X4". I told him I did not have any 4X4s but I'd cut him some real quick. I went up in the woods a few hundred yards away and dragged down an 8' poplar upper. I got 3- 4X4s and some side lumber off it including a 2X4 I need to finish my shed framing. Then I cut a 9.5' upper to get the last 4X4 and the side lumber.
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The long 2X4s are from 5 I cut 2 days ago. I used the other 3 earlier today on my shed even after being assaulted by one of their siblings. ::) The rest plus the 4-4X4s are what I got today.
By the time the customer had his trailer loaded I had his 4X4s and threw in some other flitches and such that would work well for his project.
After 7 weeks of not sawing, I was finally back to sawing a bit today.
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Two 16' and two 18' SYP logs with previously sawn framing lumber in the background. This was for a many times repeat customer.
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1018 bf of 1X6's sawn in 5 hours using two blades.
Lyn,
Were 1X6s the only thing on the cut list? I hate it when that happens and I have to edge a pretty 1X8 or 1X10 down to a 1X6 or throwing away perfectly good 1X4s but if that is what the customer wants, that is what he gets.
There was a total of 10 1X4's. With logs like this in the 24" class it is a simple matter to make a 1X6 cut list with minimal waste. There was probably 12-15 1X1 stickers that came from edging the jacket flitches. The only time that I ever charge for stickers is when I saw and entire log for stickers.
I have no concern/heartburn about possible waste when sawing and meeting a customer's cut list.
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A friend of mine just finished putting this Norwood together. It's quite a nice saw. I shot a few videos of the build and put them on my YT channel.
Rough few days last week (work) for us both, so my buddy @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) came by to mill a big gangly maple tree/log yesterday. We burned off some steam, and turned out some nice 3 inch slabs. It was a fun challenge to squeeze it through the gantry, with a little chainsaw work.
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I dragged down this ugly 10' poplar log I had bucked a few weeks ago. I needed some 2X4s for my shed project and will use the 4/4 side lumber for shed walls.
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Its a real muddy mess out here. Water was running under the mill yesterday. After I dragged the log down I went back up the hill and did a little blade work to divert the water back into its original course.
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I got the 8 - 2X4s I needed plus about 100 bf of siding which will cover 10' or nearly half my recent extension. I had .9 engine hours and 155 bf. Not setting any speed records but I got done what I set out to do.
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Had to cut a Maple in the yard so I could't help but to saw it.
getting the job done Howard!
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>ended up with some project parts from a small log.
Thanks Doc. I'm not slow and I'm not fast. I'm sort of half-fast. :D
One trick I used today and nearly always is one I learned from Rich. When I get ready to cut a log I park my tractor with the FEL forks beside the mill and it is a huge time and labor saver especially when I get a big, thick, heavy odd shaped first cut slab off a log. I just slide the slab on the forks without having to pick it up or carry it and at the end of sawing the log I take the slabs and edgings over to the waste pile which saves time and effort. I don't know how we got off on it or why I had not used that technique all along. Sometimes the little things you pick up here make a big difference.
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Pumping out skids of these Ambrosia Maple ovals right now. I'm not sure I'll ever get bored of this grain.
Definitely eye candy!!
Was so excited to get back to the mill I forgot to take pics, but I did manage to saw up a bunch of 1x6, 1x2 and 2x4s to build a school bus shelter for a friends son. I think it turned out pretty good.
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Ash 1 x 10. These are from some logs that Sat since last winter. The boards stay nice and flat as opposed to the fresh logs.
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I went out and milled a walnut log I had sitting on the mill. I fueled up the mill before I got started and only 2 hours later after I was done milling I noticed I had left the gas cap hanging from the string. I'm sure no sawdust went in there. Clearly my head wasn't totally in the game. In "leveling" the log I inadvetently made it 2" out of level. I realized that after I was half done with the log. The log had a big swell at the butt end, so it wasn't obvious just looking at the log that it was off. Finally I had this odd chunk of walnut that had been in the way of parking a car and my son actually hit it yesterday, so I decided to see what was in it. I couldn't get any good sized pieces, but I did get some neat looking crotch figure pieces that may be good for turning stock or something.
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Quotenoticed I had left the gas cap hanging from the string.
Wish I had dollar for every time I've done that. :D
It was sorta chilly today but I made a 72 mile (one way) trip to saw 7 junky Cypress logs. I think Leyland Cypress.
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They would not roll so maybe they were not logs at all, but I did say junky.
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Mostly 1X12's
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Two 2" live edge but I did not actually edge anything. It went on the trailer as it was sawed. I knew from the beginning that scaling would be challenging and I would slight myself with hourly so I told him $600. It actually took four hours including setup and take down. He was happy and gave me a $100 tip. :)
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He made a short (out of focus) video.
Made some 10" cants on my circle mill then took them to a friend who is sawing them into 1" with a Norwood HD36v2
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Quote from: FactorySeconds on February 16, 2023, 10:05:19 AM
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Pumping out skids of these Ambrosia Maple ovals right now. I'm not sure I'll ever get bored of this grain.
How did you end up orienting the log for sawing?
Quote from: Magicman on February 17, 2023, 05:53:00 PMThey would not roll so maybe they were not logs at all, but I did say junky.
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) , Seeing those branches still on the log reminds me of something a very wise man said on this forum a while ago: "Tell the Customer to take a step closer to the log when trimming branches...."
Ring a bell?
Steve
P.s. Hope all is well
Yup, a customer got told that yesterday. Those were really bad and the worst is not showing. He was gonna use the slabs with limbs as coat hangers so I just loaded them up and dealt with them.
At the time I did not realize it, but I surely am glad that I added the two additional hydraulic side supports to handle this short stuff.
Those are some fancy stickers. Are the grooves intended to improve air flow? Possibly reduced stain and shadow?
Quote from: Smallmill on February 18, 2023, 08:59:54 AM
Those are some fancy stickers. Are the grooves intended to improve air flow? Possibly reduced stain and shadow?
They are Breezewood stickers.
All of what you said.
They eliminate sticker stain.
We have not been sawing much lately due to other obligations. I did saw some 1x6's out of some slash pine this morning for a friend who cuts for a few local tree services. These were our logs but I will give him a break on the price since he takes care of us.
John and I have been trying to make chicken salad out of chicken (the appropriate emoji is not above). We are cutting random length 1" thick live oak "boards" down to 3.5" x o.5" thick. We did not mill these boards. I told the customer over a year ago that the logs she had would be best suited for firewood. She found another sawmill to saw and dry them. Some won't even clean up at 1/2" thick. Each one requires at least two face passes on a jointer, most require two edge passes on the jointer, back to the table saw to get to 3.5" then to the planer until they are all 1/2". Live oak is in the white oak family, but it is much harder than Quercus alba.
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Wow, I do not envy you with that labor intensive job. :o
I'll just ease on over to my SYP job for today and be happy. ;D
Got out and did some sawing today, of course, I never took any pictures at the mill, was a little too brisk to take my gloves off lol, -17c with a solid north wind all day. Ended up with a bunch of one by sixes couple one by eights and a few assorted 2xs for my next project, a saddle locker for the family at our local barn.
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SYP today. 17 logs to saw into framing lumber. That rotten Cypress log on top was discarded. The first two SYP logs were badly rotted on the outside but we sawed down to the heart and recovered three 2X6's and four 2X8's. Two logs had nails today.
We got the junk sawed today and have the seven 18' logs to saw tomorrow. It should be a very good day if we can avoid nails.
How long have those been on the ground for? That heart sure stand out against that aged sapwood.
They were felled a few months ago and are perfect with the bark easily slipping before sawing. My absolute favorite. The dark sapwood is mildew on the ends which is normal because there is much more moisture in the sapwood. We trimmed the 18's to length this evening and the ends were bright colored. I'll take a picture in the morning if I remember. I'll also have some lumber pictures tomorrow.
Hopefully I can knock a few of these 1-2 day jobs out before the "whole house" jobs.
What stands out to me is the quantity of sapwood in that SYP. Bear in mind, we don't have SYP in New England.
The EWP here has roughly 15-20% sapwood.
Quote from: Magicman on February 21, 2023, 09:50:51 PM
They were felled a few months ago and are perfect with the bark easily slipping before sawing. My absolute favorite. The dark sapwood is mildew on the ends which is normal because there is much more moisture in the sapwood. We trimmed the 18's to length this evening and the ends were bright colored. I'll take a picture in the morning if I remember. I'll also have some lumber pictures tomorrow.
Hopefully I can knock a few of these 1-2 day jobs out before the "whole house" jobs.
"My Absolute favorite" :D Mine too,small pleasures!
Quote from: Southside on February 21, 2023, 09:32:00 PMThat heart sure stand out against that aged sapwood.
I did remember to take a picture of a log end.
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A log end showing mildew feeding on the sugars in the sap.
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A log end after it had been bucked to length.
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A log after it had shed it's bark. There was some ambrosia beetle activity but no issue because they are leaving as the log dries.
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The last three 18' logs. The tops measured 18", 20", & 22". Good logs!
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Sixteen and eighteen foot 2X6's, 8's, and 12"s.
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Mostly 8' & 18' 2X4's. The total was
4102bf in 11 hours with two blades trashed by nails. All of the lumber will be moved to the shed in the background for stickering.
I started the day with a site visit 11 miles away with a repeat customer. He was going to salvage logs from trees left by the loggers. From what I could see the loggers did and excellent job of removing the good wood. The owner was mad because they left all the limbs and tops as well as several small broken and uprooted trees they could cause problems and should have been dropped IMHO. They will make excellent firewood but there were really no decent saw logs I saw left available and told the customer the same thing.
I came home and started bucking and dragging logs and tops I had left to fill an order for 150 3/8" X 3.5" X 9' craft boards.
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The first 2 logs were pretty good but they got progressively lower grade. A bucking mistake cost me a few boards on the third log. They were all muddy - in fact water was running under the mill for the first log then I went up the hill on my second trip and diverted the run-off and it started to dry up.
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All total I cut just over 502 square feet. Because it is less than 1" boards I sell them by the square foot. The seven stacks of 3.5" boards are on the right are for the customer. I generated about 8-9 1"X3.5" dog boards since I could not safely cut lower. I will use them for projects or sell them if a customer wants them. I saved a couple dozen 2" wide X 3/8" strips I will use to make crates sized to fit a down fruit jars to use and sell at flea markets. I got a couple of 1X6's off the poorly bucked log.
It was a decent afternoon's work and the customer will come get his wood tomorrow. The logs have been laying in the woods since last winter. I have a few more off sizes left I will cut to use on my new shed floor and such.
I used some 10* blades I had left in stock. I broke 2 and on the last cut salvaging 3 2" lath strips I kissed the side support and knocked the set or worse out of that one.
All I can see in your photos MM is vertical grain flooring.
Yes it could have but he did not put you in charge of the cut list. ;D :P
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Quote from: FactorySeconds on February 16, 2023, 10:05:19 AM
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Pumping out skids of these Ambrosia Maple ovals right now. I'm not sure I'll ever get bored of this grain.
How did you end up orienting the log for sawing?
I stuck with what I was doing originally; Make 2 cuts with the chainsaw at the desired angle and manageable length. Wedge the 'point' underneath the bed rail guard and clamp. I collect the remaining wood for the end of the day and get the last cuts with our cookie jig.
I did not saw today but my customer came and picked up his 3/8" lumber today. He met me at one of my flea market shows and when he saw my crates made from thin lumber it triggered him to ask and this is his second purchase from me and he asked if I could cut thin stock like that 8" wide and I said sure. I like cutting that thin stuff as it is easy to handle and I get a lot of wood and more money from the same log. He said he had asked others and they had said it was too much trouble and they refused to cut it. I don't understand that. ::) It is no more trouble for me to cut a 3/8" board than it is to cut a 1" or a 2" or whatever thickness. It sounds to me like some sawyer must not know how to charge. I sell by the sf for anything thinner than 1" and a sf and bf sells for the same for me. My customer is happy with that and to get what he wants and goes not mind the price. Why wouldn't I cut this stock when I get the same price for 3/8" board as a 1" board the same length and width?
My flea market trips have continued to be one of my best advertising techniques in my area. Customers see what I bring to sell and, while they may not want what I have on display for sale, it triggers thoughts on something else they want and shows the diversity of the mill. Often what they want is easy to do so we both leave happy.
My Monday's customer can't get help so I'll move on down the list. I believe that the next one is 18 SYP logs for framing lumber if he can get help. I'm still trying to work around those whole house jobs until I can get an entire rain free week.
It's been HOT in the upper 80's. smiley_sweat_drop smiley_sun
MM,
I don't know about you but I prefer those 1-2 days job especially if they are close to home because I can catch a good day between bad weather days and run knock them out, get paid, bring the mill back and be ready for a customer with a log or two he wants to bring by here or a few hour job like the one I did yesterday. I like seeing my mill in my yard/pasture every night. If I get on one of those long jobs I have too much time and travel and expenses tied up in the job before I get paid. (I tell my customers I get paid weekly or at the end of the job - whichever comes first.) Uncertain weather or customer help/health make me nervous and even a small maintenance issue can result in delays and maybe even bringing the mill home and then having to make repairs and re-schedule may delay finish and payment.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on February 23, 2023, 09:15:20 PMI don't know about you but I prefer those 1-2 days job
Absolutely they are my favorite jobs. I would love to be in a situation where I could saw 2-3 days every 2-3 weeks, but the job log is fatter than that.
The job that is bugging me the worst is a repeat customer 82 miles away that neither of us want to start without having a full week of clear weather. It is sawing framing lumber for a whole house. He is hiring help and can not let them sit idle while getting paid and watching it rain.
Two other whole house framing lumber jobs are closer but it's still a weather/tailgunner situation.
I have not been very successful of reduce the job log. Looks like I knock a couple out and there are more coming in. I just can't seem to get below 12-14. I know it's a good problem especially 10 years ago, but I ain't 10 years ago.
White oak timbers. This log was 20' long which meant I could not use my dragback. My dragback is the equivalent of two strong off bearers....I'm a weak old man.
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About 34" on the big end and 5,000 pounds give or take. My loader asked for assistance from the forklift. My chain turner flat refused the job and said let the two plane clamp turn that sucker.
So, I get it sawed and was unloading timbers when I pushed one off on the energy chain.
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I've never broke out the side plates on the chain, but the parts do not appear broken. A call to Mike at TK and he gave me advice. Said its no big deal and I should be able to get it back together in a few.....we shall see.
I like seeing different swingblade setups. I didn't do a good job of documenting this through but hopefully there is a little bit of use.
I think this would qualify as SDR, saw, dry, rip, hack, hew, spit fiber :D. We were called by the landowner to slab a big old tipped over red oak several years ago. We were deep in a fold at the foot of the mountain, out of the stream but I had wet feet the whole time.
Flash forward. It's been in the barn for some years and with a tenant farmhouse remodel going on they needed some 1x12 shelving more than a whack of red oak slabs. This is a smaller 618, a 6" cut model, the hook you see dangling in the pic is a swingset we have at one end to spin the carriage around on the rails and allow us to make 12" wide boards. But to get going on these 24"+ slabs they needed to be broken in half to start the process. I haven't removed the chocks from the previous slab from the top of the bunks at this point. The saw is at the end there, left side cutting, blade horizontal. DB is splitting the next victim.
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We are set up on a level slab. The bunks are toe screwed together, I've skimmed the tops of them level, and set both scales on 10" (the bottom of the scale). I've just ripped vertically the live edge and chainsaw rip to make a 12" wide x 4" thick cant, shim out the twist, and we are screwing chocks to hold the cant. We then crank up, swing the blade horizontal, make a flattening cut and work backwards down towards 10 (top of bunk). I could get 3 boards per cant, 6 per slab. It worked better than expected but is not fast at all. When the owner mentioned sawing enough out of his pile of slabs to side the machine shed I said we would rather go grab a few trees and start fresh :D
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I started by tossing this 4' poplar cut-off on the mill. I got a 2X6 and 4- 2X4s out of it for work on my shed.
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Next I threw these 2- 15' locust poles on and barely kissed 3-4 sides on each to create a flat surface for nailing and leveling purposes
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No beauty queens but they will work on my shed. I am adding a door and closing in the front and needed a couple more uprights.
My sawing schedule is a victim of labor pains. My planned customer for this week is a no-go for help, so now it will be a 45 mile trip Tuesday to saw three Oak logs and then 12 miles sawing ERC for several days.
EDIT: Just to show how quickly things change, the Oak job is postponed so I will move to the ERC job tomorrow. :D
I did move to the ERC job today but it was only 7 miles rather than the 12 that I said.
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A total of 23 logs, all solid with minimal end rot.
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I bucked all of the 16' logs in half and everything longer will be sawed as is. Rain will determine our sawing schedule.
Why is that crew cab in the weeds!?
They used it to pull in the cedar. ;D
Today, it was some more white pine...
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I'm sure you have plenty of power to get through that log 😊
Are those bowed boards for your roof?
Roof??
Not really sure whose idea that was. But it actually does a better job of shedding water than you might expect!
Quote from: Don P on February 27, 2023, 08:17:49 PM
Why is that crew cab in the weeds!?
I suppose because there is a Chevrolet hubcap on the left rear!! :o
Mapleveneer, nice mill it is to see some blue for change. After I log in, I generally scroll backwards to the last post I read. Got excited when I seen blue, I thought it was Walnut Beast's new mill. 24 ft? What size blades? Is the lube drip still on the right-hand side? That is a nice pile of pine logs.
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Quote from: Don P on February 27, 2023, 08:17:49 PM
Why is that crew cab in the weeds!?
I suppose because there is a Chevrolet hubcap on the left rear!! :o
Well it was not a Chevrolet but rather a GMC (
Gotta
Mechanic
Coming) The engine is in my customer's shop waiting for him to find his "Roundtoit".
My tailgunner had an emergency this afternoon so we only sawed for 4 hours today. He has a "Defib" which also monitors his blood pressure. When it dropped to 90/55 he had to go and do whatever he does when it drops that low.
We will be back in the morning. Thankfully this is a job that I didn't expect to make much if anything on anyway. Long story but sometime I feel the need to help someone that may need help.
Quote from: KWH on February 28, 2023, 10:21:57 AM
Mapleveneer, nice mill it is to see some blue for change. After I log in, I generally scroll backwards to the last post I read. Got excited when I seen blue, I thought it was Walnut Beast's new mill. 24 ft? What size blades? Is the lube drip still on the right-hand side? That is a nice pile of pine logs.
Yes, 24 ft. ( log on it is a 16 ft.) It doesn't belong to me, my buddy and I operate it for the owner. 18 ft 7 in 1-1/2 in blades. Yes lube is on right.
We operate it a couple days a week. Started in late Nov. and are up to around 50k bd ft now. We are probably less than an hour from you off rte 2.
Not any speed records broken but a steady productive day. I started off checking the alignment of the mill after the comment about changing the roller guide. I had to adjust a couple of bunks on the loader side by no more than 1/8".
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I bucked 6' off a poplar top and got 3-2X4s and a 1X4 out of this monster. ;D
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Her is the rest of the crooked top. I bucked it to 12' on the large end and where the chainsaw is sitting I bucked 2- 4' chunks for short framing.
Before I could cut the logs above a repeat customer (One of my flea market finds) came over with 3-chestnut logs he wanted trimmed and squared. He had diligently de-nailed them as I'd told him I had a $30 damaged band fee. I did not get a before picture of them.
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I trimmed from about 1/4" to 1/2"cuts off all 4 sides with a finished size of 7" X 8.5" X 12' for each. Here are the finished logs. The customer saved a few pieces of the edgings for possible trim on his cabin.
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About 8' into the 4th face on the first log we heard that distinctive "Dink" and I got a chance to try my fancy nail puller I bought at the flea market last year. It worked very well. It was either a 12d or 16d nail I would guess. The customer left happy. He has more chestnut logs to be resawed into boards I may do in a week or so but he needed these immediately for his build purposes. He has a carpenter buddy up from Fla helping this week.
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I broke for lunch then came back and finished the poplar. All total I got about 105 bf. All for use on my shed project.
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Looks a lot better than the broken up mess I posted near the top of this page.
Fixed it Sunday and sawed yesterday and today so its good. Took about 1-1/2 hours to fix. I could do it a lot faster now that I have the touch! Broke about 4 of the cross straps that I keep in stock so only about a $12 repair cost.
Mapleveneer, thanks for the reply I assume west. Have fun milling.
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Picked up this and one more for wood turning. Was headed to landfill to become mulch.
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Picked this elm and sycamore up from a freind. Big one is 4ft on small end. A little to big for the lt15 lol
Quote from: Magicman on February 27, 2023, 07:09:16 PMI did move to the ERC job today
I finished sawing the ERC this morning.
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1385bf, all 1" @ varying widths, mostly 8' & 14', sawed in three partial days.
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Most of it was "rightly" purdy.
The customer just called and there were a couple more ERC logs that were sorta hidden that we missed so I'll saw them in the morning before we start sawing the SYP.
Maybe I can finish Saturday, maybe not.
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Here is a few of the ERC logs that the "Log Fairy" brought so I spent today sawing more ERC. Walnut and SYP tomorrow.
Repeat customer today, 82 miles away, drove out at 5:15 AM, back at 12:45 PM. All I-95.
Two very straight 16 foot X 24 inch walnut logs, no defects no metal. Cut 1 3/8, and four 2 1/4 out of the first log, 1 3/8 and two 2 1/4 out of the second log. Just me and the customer, we offloaded the first set of boards over the waiting log, then I pulled the second set from the second log forward. Everything was just very nice.
Ps-customer reports tree was 120 yrs old
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Looks good. I am anxious to bust into the Walnut log first thing tomorrow morning. 2" X live edge. No plans for it so I hope that the customer is successful selling it. Probably all or most of the ERC that I have sawn will be for sale.
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on March 03, 2023, 05:51:05 PM
Repeat customer today, 82 miles away, drove out at 5:15 AM, back at 12:45 PM. All I-95.
Two very straight 16 foot X 24 inch walnut logs, no defects no metal. Cut 1 3/8, and four 2 1/4 out of the first log, 1 3/8 and two 2 1/4 out of the second log. Just me and the customer, we offloaded the first set of boards over the waiting log, then I pulled the second set from the second log forward. Everything was just very nice.
Ps-customer reports tree was 120 yrs old
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How old do you think the tree was?
On two different formulas the age of the Black Walnut tree that's 24" with a growth factor of 4.5 is between 90 and 108 years old
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120 Yrs
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on March 03, 2023, 08:47:37 PM
120 Yrs
👍. That was a nice one 👍. On the other calculations it was at 108. When I was down in the woods on the creek I was amazed where a tree stand was that was over 20 years old and how slow the growth was over the years compared to some fast growing trees
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I sawed the one Walnut log this morning before packing up and bringing the sawmill home. The SYP was too far gone to saw.
EDIT: Those three slabs scaled ~23bf each and he just sold them for $600 each. The three 1" side boards sold for $100 each making a total of $2100 for that log.
Nice Magicman 👍
I forgot my camera so no pictures today. I met the client 28 miles away at 8:00 am and finished sawing at 7:22 pm when I ran out of bands. I set a new record today of the most bands used ever. I know I used over 20. I am sure I hit metal with at least half a dozen. Several I did not notice at first and hit it again. ::)
I was sawing one big hickory. The biggest half log I put on the mill was over 36" Several of the logs had split so my Magic hook got a real work out today. When my bands got dull, they just quit and would dive or ripple. I even stopped and adjusted my drive belt one time. It was 10 lbs pressure at 7/16" instead of 14 lbs per spec. I was sawing almost exclusively 3/4" siding.
I have 1.75 logs left to saw (Log on the mill, 2 flitches and one face sawed) when my last band got dull and I had to quit. I will go back tomorrow and take some more bands and finish then got to another site 12 miles away. I will try to remember to get "after" pictures tomorrow. I never remembered hickory dulling the bands so quickly. I don't know if the site has been flooded by the Greenbrier River many times and the park contained silt from that or what other factors contributed. It was a long hard day and expensive for both me and the client foe the bands used or damaged.
Danny @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) always referred to it as the devil. smiley_devil_trident
And he was being kind in his assessment IMHO!
Sawed up some full size White Oak 2x8s for a trailer deck repairs.
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Will be sawing nominal size 2x8s this week for redecking a semi lowboy for my log supplier.
I asked how much for a load of clay delivered and he said no charge. I was dumbfounded when two trucks showed up. I didn't turn the second truck away!
Been spending lots of time here........
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No, it's not an outdoor shower. It's a chicken/ quail coop.
hugs, Brandi
Howard, I've found hickory to be inconsistent. I have sawed a bit of it over the years without too many problems but this past fall I cut down a tree that was the devil himself. smiley_devil
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I got four logs from it and they cut like rocks. Blades would dull quickly and dive.
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I got so frustrated that I took the last log and cut it up into firewood.
Howard, I feel your pain. Good luck with the rest of it.
Cutter,
Sounds a lot like my issues. The blade would go so far and just stop or dive. I changed blades, I checked and adjusted the drive belt, I cussed (That helped as much as everything else I tried ::)), I was about to call WM then I looked at the big butt log I saw metal gleaming and that helped explain some of the issues. In others I'd cut half and log and the blade would quit. I'd change and finish the log and part of the next one and same problem. The customer wanted to finish and we only had 2 logs left so I got out my headlight so I could read the scale when my last band quit and they decided to spend another night there at their camp and we'd finish today.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 04, 2023, 10:09:18 PMfinished sawing at 7:22 pm when I ran out of bands. I set a new record today of the most bands used ever. I know I used over 20. I am sure I hit metal with at least half a dozen.
That qualifies as Combat Sawing !!! :o :-X
Very nice Brandi. thumbs-up
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 04, 2023, 10:09:18 PM
I forgot my camera so no pictures today. I met the client 28 miles away at 8:00 am and finished sawing at 7:22 pm when I ran out of bands. I set a new record today of the most bands used ever. I know I used over 20. I am sure I hit metal with at least half a dozen. Several I did not notice at first and hit it again. ::)
I was sawing one big hickory. The biggest half log I put on the mill was over 36" Several of the logs had split so my Magic hook got a real work out today. When my bands got dull, they just quit and would dive or ripple. I even stopped and adjusted my drive belt one time. It was 10 lbs pressure at 7/16" instead of 14 lbs per spec. I was sawing almost exclusively 3/4" siding.
I have 1.75 logs left to saw (Log on the mill, 2 flitches and one face sawed) when my last band got dull and I had to quit. I will go back tomorrow and take some more bands and finish then got to another site 12 miles away. I will try to remember to get "after" pictures tomorrow. I never remembered hickory dulling the bands so quickly. I don't know if the site has been flooded by the Greenbrier River many times and the park contained silt from that or what other factors contributed. It was a long hard day and expensive for both me and the client foe the bands used or damaged.
I do know trees along the road many times will dull a chain saw chain in a minute or two. They are loaded with abrasives from road sand and dust from passing traffic.
I returned to finish the job started yesterday. The only bands I had left were 8-9 10* and one wild 9* (I've never bought a 9* blade in my life but got one back from re-sharp) and I was afraid they would not work in the tough hickory but I finished both remaining logs with the same blade with no issues.
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Most of the boards flat stacked on the customer's trailer. About 1166 square feet.
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Short boards in the customer's truck
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Mill set up, sawdust pile, slab pile and some nail ridden logs cut into firewood.
I finished about 10:15 then drove to the next customer 12 miles away.
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We started by re-sawing 3 of these 15' Wormy Chestnut beams the man has had 40+ years. The sawyer who sawed these beams did so well over 100 years ago. He was very consistent in his milling. Each beam was resawed into 8 boards 3/4" X 8" X 15'. After that I sawed an assortment of ugly ash logs, ant ridden cherry and sawed through what looked to have been a flying squirrel nest. We ran out of daylight with 4-5 more logs to do so I'll make a leisurely trip over tomorrow to finish and get some pictures of previous sawing used as siding and beams in a cabin he is building. I saw the outside and was amazed at the 1/2" X 8" pine used as lap siding. I cut one tree here and got him 1060 square feet off my place and he has it in the air now.
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Each and every board that comes off my mill is inspected and graded by this guy. It must meet the very highest Poodle standards or it gets......peed on. ???
My dog Walt pees on stuff like it's a grade stamp😁
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interruptions, late night sawing to get the last 4 x 4. ERC for raised bed planters. for Shawn who cuts and saves all his logs for me.
I took a leisurely stroll over to finish the job we started yesterday 36 miles away. I drove through Talcott WV (Home of the big bend tunnel John Henry beat the steam engine making) to the customer site. We finished sawing cherry then a couple of maple logs with some nice splating. Most boards were 1" but some would be 3/4 and the maple was 5/4. I also sawed a few 6/4 stringers. We spent way too much time talking instead of milling but neither of us were in a hurry and we enjoyed the visit. Total was about 1379 bf/sf.
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In some cases we salvaged boards 2' or less but useable for the customers needs. Not shown here are 24 resawed 3/4"X 8" X 15' boards resawed from 3 beams he had.
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Sawdust pile and slab and edgings pile at the end of the job. Not shown on the left is the used band in the grass I forgot and had to turn around and drive 6-7 miles back to get. ::)
After sawing the customer took me to his cabin where he is building a 3 BR w/ba addition using wood he bought from or sawed by me. I'll post this pictures in the customer project thread. While doing that he remembered he wanted me to square up an old oak chunk for a table or bench like I do the legs on my benches so we too it back to the mill which was hooked to my truck and I sawed that for him too.
Quote(Home of the big bend tunnel John Henry beat the steam engine making)
"Down there lies a steel drivin' man oh lord, down there lies a steel drivin' man..."
("The Legend of John Henry's Hammer", recorded by Johnny Cash, 1963) smiley_guitarist
Today, it was black locust tomato stakes, 1-1/2 x 1-1/2 x 7 ft. Somewhere north of 1000 of them.
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Resonator,
If you go to the John Henry Park there at the tunnel site (They/CSX Railroad dug and now use another tunnel right beside the original) there is are records of several versions including Johnny Cash's version. Push the button and listen to your choice. The grave of his wife Polly is located in a nearby local cemetery.
Here is the link for the park:
The Legend of John Henry: Talcott, WV - New River Gorge National Park & Preserve (U.S. National Park Service) (nps.gov) (https://www.nps.gov/neri/planyourvisit/the-legend-of-john-henry-talcott-wv.htm)
BTW - the bronze statue showing him with his hammer in his hand is apparently wrong. By most account John Henry, a former slave, used 2 hammers - one in each hand - and would get into a rhythm striking with first one then the other. (How would like to have been the helper who held and rotated the drill steel while John Henry steadily hammered on it? He was a very brave/trusting or desperate for a job soul IMHO!)
WV Sawmiller
We have John Henry hydraulic hoe drills here on the West coast for road building . They are usually mounted on Cat excavators. I would imagine that's where the name comes from?
Dan
Yeah, I bet so. The Steam engine was very new and not very efficient at the time of the race.
If I ever get down West Virginia way again I'll have to look for that. smiley_thumbsup
Rhythm was part of the work routine laying track back then. The track "gangs" of dozens of men would all lift or pull prybars in unison to the song/cadence sung out by the track foreman. This way they would set and align the track, all by hand.
(Not to side track the thread...) :D
No sawing for me here yet, still buried up to my orange frame in snow. :snowman:
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I am set up 60 miles from home and ready to saw tomorrow morning. She said 31 logs but....
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I quickly culled about 20 of them.
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We will make two 10's out of the longest so 3 ERC logs to saw.
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Plus we will saw the 10 best SYP logs into 2X6's. We may try to saw some of the other stuff but to me it looked doubtful. The Red Oak logs looked good but we will see what she wants.
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My accommodations are this Bungalow.
Is this White Oak?
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It doesn't smell like White Oak. I know smaller White Oak can have two different looking bark, depending on it being lower or higher up the tree. But this log has all the same bark, what is left.
My large White Oak's bark look like this, with large "flakey" bark.
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hugs, Brandi
Red oak?
Scrub maple?
Quote from: Lko67 on March 08, 2023, 01:35:40 PM
Red oak?
Red Oak wood has a redish shade to it. We have red oak everywhere here. It doesn't smell like red oak at all. I use red oak for kindling. Bucking a red oak throws out red chips. Soon as you start cutting, I know what it is. The oak barks sure are confusing.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: DennisK on March 08, 2023, 01:43:25 PM
Scrub maple?
I don't think we have any maple in Southeast Texas.
hugs, Brandi
Not now. You just cut the last one up for a saw log. :( :( :( :D
Actually I assumed you had red maple. We had them in N. Fla. mostly along the water. I don't remember them getting very big there.
We lost an hour today due to rain but still managed to make an acceptable day.
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A look out of the bedroom window before work this morning.
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My customer on the end of a Logrite on the first ERC log.
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She and her brother admiring a couple of bookmatched slabs.
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We sawed a bit over 600bf of ERC and ~1500bf of SYP framing lumber.
We have three logs that will be 6X6's if they can get something to handle them. We should be able to get ~20.
Brandi-
Your log looks like water oak by the bark to me. It's a low grade red oak if you're not familiar with it. I do reserve the right to be totally wrong here.
QuoteIs this White Oak?
If it's some type of oak, you should get some wood with medullary rays. Did you get any "grainy" pictures of the inside of that mystery tree? ???
I cleaned up and final sized some white pine I sawed 3 years ago. I did not do a good job of keeping this covered and taken care of and really wasn't expecting much. The wood was fine... although 10 of the 16 timbers were #3, 8' post only stuff.
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Don, I love it when wood is more resilient than the poor care we give it👍
16" wide, zero knots, zero sapwood, flat as a pancake. I milled the better parts of 2 pallets of these, different widths, some 22 inches wide. Lots of rain here, so they somehow got wet. :D :D
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Robert,
I'm sorry to see my log got shipped to you by mistake. Just go ahead a send those boards back and I'll be more careful with them in the future. :D
Absolute eye candy Robert!!
Lynn, that looked like a romantic little cabin you had there. Should have brought PatD.
Quote from: Resonator on March 08, 2023, 07:54:24 PM
QuoteIs this White Oak?
If it's some type of oak, you should get some wood with medullary rays. Did you get any "grainy" pictures of the inside of that mystery tree? ???
I am fixin' to go out and saw it now. After I put on a new blade.
Isn't there 4 different White Oaks?
hugs, Brandi
As I remember there are many species of white oak or I should say members of the White Oak family. The most common I see are White Oak and Chestnut oak. I think there are several species of just chestnut oak. Kind of like Northern and Southern red oak.
Downsizing this white oak log to fit on my LT 15, which will eventually grow up to be an LT 70 some day?
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There are more than that, but most are not important for timber. White oak, swamp white oak, bur, chinkapin and post oak are the more important in the white oak group.
How long does it take for an LT15 to grow into an LT70? I've had my LT15 for 5 years and it's a 2005 model. Doesn't seem to be growing.
Put some Cook's blades on it and it will think it's an LT 70. :D :D
Quote from: Bindian on March 09, 2023, 01:31:30 PM
Quote from: Resonator on March 08, 2023, 07:54:24 PM
QuoteIs this White Oak?
If it's some type of oak, you should get some wood with medullary rays. Did you get any "grainy" pictures of the inside of that mystery tree? ???
I am fixin' to go out and saw it now. After I put on a new blade.
Isn't there 4 different White Oaks?
hugs, Brandi
There is a app on the playstore called Virginia Tech Tree I.D.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on March 09, 2023, 02:43:30 PM
How long does it take for an LT15 to grow into an LT70? I've had my LT15 for 5 years and it's a 2005 model. Doesn't seem to be growing.
Don't be so chinzie on the feed and fertilizer.
GAB
Quote from: richhiway on March 09, 2023, 03:20:36 PMThere is a app on the playstore called Virginia Tech Tree I.D.
Bummer, won't work on my new Android device - written for an older OS
I went up to the upper side of my pasture and cut a decent poplar for my shed project. I cut the limbs and top out of the ATV trail where it landed. I bucked a 9' upper log about 12" SED and got an 8' broken top about 9-10 inches SED and dragged them both down with my ATV.
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The little broken top made 3- 1X6's and 2 1X4's. The 9' log made 12- 2X2X9 strips for my floor joists and 1- 1X4.
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About 54 bf in .5 engine hours and I am ready to go start building again.
I finished all of the framing lumber and 6X6's today.
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Here is my customer bringing me the last log for today. 12' X 26½" on the top and 28½" on the butt. It yielded some fine lumber.
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This was in another log. A sawed off limb that had grown over. She will make a bench out of that one.
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The 6X6's & a few 4X6's. I haven't tallied yet but I am well over 3Mbf for two days sawing. I have 2 SYP logs and 3 Red Oak logs left which will all be sawn into 1" for siding, etc.
The forecast is for rain moving in tonight and clearing by ~10:00 AM. I'll finish because I have a SYP framing lumber scheduled for Monday-Tuesday of next week.
Okay, here is the cut log. Today's customer suggested Pin Oak. I'm leaning to Pin Oak too. I think I read there are four in the White Oak family. Anyway.............here it is after removing 2 screws and missing one.
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The screw didn't phrase the 1.5 inch blade.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi, Looks like you had already hit one screw before you got to that one. ;D
Pin oak is in the red oak family.
Things are pretty simple for oak ID up here. All we have is Northern Red, Northern Pin, and Bur Oak. There are quite a few other oak species that grow in the "banana belt" of southeastern MN, but up here in the frozen north there's a lot of hardwoods that don't need to be ID'ed because we don't have them😁
I would agree on the pin oak.
Pin oak is a red oak but not near as good as something like northern red oak. The pin oak I see is usually fast growing, yard trees may have 2 or 3 growth rings per inch. Forest trees may have 6 rings per inch. On the other hand white oak will have have 10 to as high as 25 rings per inch.
Yard tree pin oak.
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Quote from: Bindian on March 09, 2023, 09:10:37 PM
Okay, here is the cut log. Today's customer suggested Pin Oak. I'm leaning to Pin Oak too. I think I read there are four in the White Oak family. Anyway.............here it is after removing 2 screws and missing one.
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The screw didn't phrase the 1.5 inch blade.
hugs, Brandi
I would tend to agree with the pin oak, I just finished milling some of it last week.
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We had just enough drizzle to make everything muddy again. I dragged down these small chunks from a poplar tree I had cut last Fall. I'd already sawed one double boomerang before I remembered to take a picture. I cut a 6' and the 7' on the mill to make boards for my shed floor. The 4' & 5' chunks left I'll cut to make raised bed planters.
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I guess I got 70-75 bf out of the 2 pieces then I stopped and started flooring my shed.
I finished my road trip at noon today. 2½ days with an ~2hour rain delay, sawing:
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4037bf of framing lumber, 1X8's, 6X6's, & ERC.
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And then she wanted to know whether I could saw this cutoff in two?
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Yup, I can.
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So she could make a bench from yesterday's slab with the grown over limb stub.
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My customer was happy so ended the sawing job.
Back story. In July, 2020, a lady called me wanting to buy my sawmill. I quoted $55K but we agreed to think it over during the weekend before a decision was made. She called Monday morning wanting to buy it if she could examine my books/records. I told her that while she was deciding to buy, I had decided not to sell. (Selling would have been a foolish mistake because I have made over three times that since then.) Anyway, this is the same lady and she has priced out an LT70. After watching me saw, she now knows that sawing entails much more than pushing buttons, and she would now prefer to be a customer. ;D
I'll be sawing framing lumber for another customer Monday & Tuesday.
Magicman I'm surprised with all the money you have been making that you never wanted to get a new Woodmizer since you like them so much.
First, 79+ year old men don't keep on working because they have "all the money". They work because there are personal situations in their lives that are financial burdens. Second, a brand new sawmill would not saw any more lumber than the tried and proven sawmill that I have.
You seem to be pretty darn happy with the one you have and that's what counts 👍
Quote from: Magicman on March 09, 2023, 09:25:00 PM
Brandi, Looks like you had already hit one screw before you got to that one. ;D
It does look that way. But I removed two screws about 70 degrees apart, after hacking it up with the chainsaw and chisel to surgically remove it.
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Also had another land clearing guy bring me some cedar. This size is super rare here.
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hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Walnut Beast on March 10, 2023, 08:31:45 PM
Magicman I'm surprised with all the money you have been making that you never wanted to get a new Woodmizer since you like them so much.
Heck, he just got that sawmill broke it. I mean, he is only on his 3rd or 4th engine! :D I lost count. ;D
hugs, Brandi
Brandi that cedar beats most of what we have here. very nice.
Quote from: Magicman on March 10, 2023, 07:47:40 PM
I finished my road trip at noon today. 2½ days with an ~2hour rain delay, sawing:
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4037bf of framing lumber, 1X8's, 6X6's, & ERC.
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And then she wanted to know whether I could saw this cutoff in two?
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Yup, I can.
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So she could make a bench from yesterday's slab with the grown over limb stub.
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My customer was happy so ended the sawing job.
Back story. In July, 2020, a lady called me wanting to buy my sawmill. I quoted $55K but we agreed to think it over during the weekend before a decision was made. She called Monday morning wanting to buy it if she could examine my books/records. I told her that while she was deciding to buy, I had decided not to sell. (Selling would have been a foolish mistake because I have made over three times that since then.) Anyway, this is the same lady and she has priced out an LT70. After watching me saw, she now knows that sawing entails much more than pushing buttons, and she would now prefer to be a customer. ;D
I'll be sawing framing lumber for another customer Monday & Tuesday.
Fast Bench! You definitely saw a lot of lumber. Like the story, milling is a great community!
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Not sawing in upstate NY today.
@Brandi:
In reply 310 I'd like to see a picture of the other end of the same log and also its length.
Some cedar has a lot of butt flare.
GAB
ERC is also a metal magnet.
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I hit this one Wednesday. Notice that the nail was in a grown over cut off limb. The nail head was in the cut off (left) end of the limb. Wrecked the blade @$45.
Quote from: Magicman on March 10, 2023, 08:46:12 PM
First, 79+ year old men don't keep on working because they have "all the money". They work because there are personal situations in their lives that are financial burdens. Second, a brand new sawmill would not saw any more lumber than the tried and proven sawmill that I have.
1st - Age is just a number and maybe yours is unlisted just like in the tv commercial.
2nd - You probably know all the quirks of your present mill, so why change mill and have to start over.
GAB
Magic and that LT40 Super know how to dance together, you don't want to mess with that!
Rich, I'd have to turn south and never let off :D
I bought a load of cypress logs from a tree guy today. These will be the first logs we've ever bought. The guy called me Thursday afternoon and asked what I'd pay him for them. I was not incredibly interested in buying yard trees, but we have had such a demand for cypress, and we do not have many good cypress logs left in captivity. I made him an offer with him loading them on our trailer and another offer for him to deliver them to my place. After a few days of nothing, he called and asked me to come get them. The place was about an hour and 20 minutes away but still in our county.
When I got there, the guy was gone to get another bucket of hydraulic fluid for his skidsteer. It had a significant leak. His climber broke the rear handle on his new Stihl 661. He wanted me to pay him more money due to his opinion that he had just cut down incredibly valuable trees. Unfortunately, we had to cut the largest log in half so the machine could lift it. I explained to him that the fiber pull in the butt logs and chains left where hammocks used to swing did not add value to them. Anyway, he loaded them, and I paid him the agreed upon amount and even told him I'd saw a short log for him for free. Surely, he made a significant wage taking these down. I took backroads home and ran 45-50 mph. We have done well with cypress mantles. Some of these logs are junk but most are pretty nice.
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These are not as nice as those I've seen Jake and Deese sawing but we should be able to saw some nice stuff out of them.
This was a good morning.
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I was set up by 8:45 and
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finished sawing by 11:30. 1840bf of framing lumber plus two small ERC logs. Home for lunch. :)
(Sorry for the dark picture/shadow but the other end was against the trailer so this was the best that I could do.)
Looks good but please refrain from posting any pictures showing green grass and trees with leaves. It's too depressing for some of us. :'(
Hmm, I was just thinking it's time to mow the yard again. say_what
Yup, PatD mowed ours Friday while I was sawing. 8)
QuoteLooks good but please refrain from posting any pictures showing green grass and trees with leaves. It's too depressing for some of us.
I was just gonna say the same thing... smiley_sun smiley_daisy fred_head vs. :snowman: :snowman: :snowman: smiley_christmas :D
Yeah it is still mud season here too. I went up and bucked a 15' log for 2X4s off a poplar tree I cut a couple days ago. It is on a steep slope and I had a real hard time just standing there long enough to saw it off then the log and I both slid down the mountain to the ATV road below. I was able to drag it to the mill with my old ATV.
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I had the 2 little 4' cutoffs next to the mill. They were in the way so I sawed them first just to get them out of the way.
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I did get 41 bf of mostly 1X6 and a couple of 1X4 and several 1X8s from them that I will use for making raised bed planters, birdhouses and on my shed bins and such.
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I got 9 2X4s out of the log for use on my shed. I needed 3 full length and the rest will be 12' or shorter so the ones with wane on one end will still trim out plenty long for what I need. It was too muddy and too late when I finished to start nailing them up but that is a good project for tomorrow as I will be working in the dry.
If there was a middle finger amoji lol ..... -22 here and a blizzard this morning, and warmed right up today, to - 14 and a 25-30 k North wind.... Jealous, maybe, envious, definitely lol
We turned an hour and a half job into a most of the day job today. John and I were looking forward to sawing some logs rather than jointing, planing and turning some junky live oak boards into flooring. About lunchtime, we were ready to feed the jointers for nine hours straight.
A customer wanted some 20' full size lumber. I dropped a few trees for a friend a couple of weekends ago. He and his father decided that they did not want them sawed into lumber, so he brought them to us. Evidently someone in their family's 130-year history on that site learned to drive nails and shoot firearms into those trees. All was going swimmingly until zing, zing, zing, dive, zing. We trashed five blades before lunchtime and should have been done by 10 a.m. At 2:45 we loaded our last 20' log onto the mill to get the remaining 20' boards on our order. It cut great, even though it had a 12' lightered heart. We kept a couple of 20' slabs to hopefully sell to recover some blade expenses. On the upside, the weather was incredible. I don't know what the temperature was, but it was comfortable, and the wind was out of the east, so we did not have to smell the neighbor's hunting dogs.
We did saw a short cypress log for the tree guy we bought the logs from on Sunday. The cypress was beautiful.
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That load Magicman sawed yesterday puts us to shame, but it will keep us humble.
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Quote from: fluidpowerpro on March 13, 2023, 06:07:35 PM
Looks good but please refrain from posting any pictures showing green grass and trees with leaves. It's too depressing for some of us. :'(
Ask him how the weather is come August 14th. :D
Quote from: doc henderson on March 11, 2023, 09:24:22 AM
Brandi that cedar beats most of what we have here. very nice.
Looks like I will get my money back with two, 2 inch slabs taken from the middle. I will know more tomorrow.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: GAB on March 11, 2023, 12:23:56 PM
@Brandi:
In reply 310 I'd like to see a picture of the other end of the same log and also its length.
Some cedar has a lot of butt flare.
GAB
She tapers more than I want her to. At 13 feet, she is 14 inches.
hugs, Brandi
I sawed an ERC Monday that I bucked into two logs to gain more from the butt and loose less from the top. Once the customer realized that a log will only yield what the top will saw out, what to do is obvious.
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a little sycamore. had a cable so l sacrificed the last 3 feet. got 10.5 wide 8 foot long, 7/8th thick. one thicker and a couple live edge.
I took a 45 mile journey this morning to saw 3 Oak logs.
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White Oak
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White Oak. This was by far the best log.
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Red Oak. All three were about 30" butt and had been blown over by a storm last year but only the above Red Oak was actually on the ground. We sawed mostly 1X12's out of all of them but no picture because they all got hauled off. It was only 637bf so he paid the minimum plus mileage & setup.
I'm seeing a lot of snowless pictures on here. We got another 3-4" today and it was nasty! If I would've been paying attention and saw what was coming for weather, I would've gotten the sawing I needed to do done on one of the nice days we had😁
I sawed around 550 bf of pine 16' 1x12 for a contractor for form boards. I always try to keep those guys happy, because they buy decent volumes and it's a good place to use up some of the lower grade pine I end up with. Therefore I was out sawing in a blizzard🤪😁
Sawed up some lightning struck SYP into 2x6s for my neighbor. He cut it down in the middle of his trailer park. Yes, it had one nail in it.
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Woodmizer sent me another customer. This guy bought me 3 logs for 2-2.5 inch live edge. Imagine his surprise when I tell him it ain't White Oak.
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hugs, Brandi
Looks good Brandi.
Yup, some folks just don't know. My guy yesterday needed verification on his two White Oaks, and said that the Cherrybark Oak was Water Oak. ;D
Thanks Lynn. I have problems IDing all the oaks we have here. I wish I could find a good bark ID app.
But that has to wait until I get a new cell phone. Google store quit working on my Samsung Galaxy 5 Active. I think Galaxy models are up to 23 now. So yes, my 5 Active is old.
hugs, Brandi
Chicken wing milling today
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western Red cedar
It was a top of of a big one that had a trident fork.
Blew over in a big wind storm, customer plans were too make some corner shelves shelves. I was thinking of Magic man's crispy chicken fry while cutting today.
This post is for you Lynn!
Sorry Brandi too post on your reply
My phone is a dinosaur too I need too submit this before my battery dies.
Quote from: Bindian on March 17, 2023, 11:59:15 PMSo yes, my 5 Active is old
I don't usually buy the latest and greatest cellphone anymore. I bought a used Google Pixel 3XL online from Swappa several years ago for $150.00. It's still works great.YMMV. I don't have anything to do with the site and don't make any money for mentioning them. Just wanted to throw it out there in case someone is looking to save some money on theses way over priced necessities of modern life.
Quote from: redbeard on March 18, 2023, 12:08:19 AMI was thinking of Magic man's crispy chicken fry while cutting today. This post is for you Lynn!
Thanks for the compliment and "shout out" Jeff. Looks like the Hud-Son was up to the task. Tell Kelly hello from Pat & I.
Quote from: redbeard on March 18, 2023, 12:08:19 AM
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I can't make out what machine is behind your forks. What is it?
hugs, Brandi
Brandi, when we visited Jeff/redbeard in 2019, he had an Ingersol Rand 1044 "telehandler".
Taking advantage of some beauty weather and a few nice logs... wish they were pine and not spruce, got some nice 4/4 and 6/4 stock. Only thing ended up with a few fancy boards 🌊(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/56534/BF1693A6-2C0E-430A-A456-878DB8B79F28.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1679244358)
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a couple weeks ago we had a rather severe wind storm and this shagbark hickory came down in my field.
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I got 3 8-9' logs, a few shorted crotches and will have some for the smoker.
I finished releveling my mill and started sawing
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I need to finish sawing the 2 cants from the last log and stack/sticker the boards.
I have a minor issue with the mill, the starter solenoid has failed and needs replacement.
Not too bad for a few hours with a manual mill.
I reckon that I am doing a good job of taking it easy today. Cool outside, a nice warm fire inside, and a hot cup of coffee.
I'll top my fuel jugs off today and refill the blade box readying for a SYP job scheduled to start tomorrow. That is if the customer has been able to secure tailgunners.
EDIT: I just heard from my customer. He has three tailgunners plus himself so we are good to go. ;D
Quote from: Magicman on March 19, 2023, 07:55:48 AM
Brandi, when we visited Jeff/redbeard in 2019, he had an Ingersol Rand 1044 "telehandler".
Oh, I see it now. It has such a low profile, I couldn't tell it is was a small articulated 4WD tractor or what.
hugs, Brandi
Got the 24 inch ERC slabed out today. Customer wanted two, 10 foot slabs.
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Had about 1.5 inch rot in the center.
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Didn't run all the way up the heart, but found some more rot up around the 8 foot mark.
hugs, Brandi
That wood is great. the bigger the ERC log, the more likely it will have some trash.
Yeppers Doc,
That is what I have learned from FF. That is why I gave an estimate to the guy on the phone selling the log, sight unseen, about the price being less if there was any heart rot.
Picked up the local feed store as a customer that wants cedar lining his sales counter once his store is remodeled.
My financial guy's assistant is also buying a ERC mantel to take up t her daughter in Colorado.
Life is good. Slow, but good.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Machinebuilder on March 20, 2023, 09:03:05 AM
Not too bad for a few hours with a manual mill.
Not to bad at all especially considering it was hickory you were sawing. Hickory makes nice looking lumber but it can be a bear to saw.
I didn't know you had shagbark down there in TN. We have a lot of it up here in Mass. I have quite a bit of it on my farm.
It really wasn't too bad to saw. I put a new blade on and almost made it through the 3 logs.
Then I missed the distance to the log stop..........................again.
I ended up with about 400 bdft.
I really should drop the other trunk, BUT its got a lot of rot and is leaning downhill on a hill I can't pull the logs up.
It will fell itself one day.
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I sawed this small poplar log today to get some 2X4's for my shed project. My 93 y/o mom is in for a visit and is sitting on the small beech log in the background. I guess she got bored and peeled all the bark off the log before she left it.
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I needed 6 more 2X4s for uprights in my shed. I got 9 and some 4/4 boards off the side and even a few 2" wide lath strips for making crates and such when I edged the 2X4s. I got 102 bf out of the little log and Mom got to see the process.
I made a reasonable start on this job today.
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I counted 75 logs without the furtherest whack.
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Another view without showing the uncounted whack on the right. Syp, ERC, Ash, and Sassafras.
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Three outstanding young men/tailgunners. The wood handled cant hook belongs to the customer.
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This is the second load going to the stacking shed. I am sawing the knot free logs mostly into 3/4" X 6" and anything with knots is 2X4's & 6's. I did not take the time to count/scale any lumber this evening.
Hopefully if the weather holds we should finish Friday or Saturday. If not it will be April because PatD and I have R&R planned for next week. (More on that later.)
Howard, that log must not be too poplar since it is there all by itself! :) :) :)
This huge pine log got turned into an octagon for the top of a pillar on a patio.
Finished octagon is 20 inches across
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Quote from: chet on January 02, 2023, 01:08:32 PM
Quoted from Wikipedia
Populus tremuloides is a deciduous tree native to cooler areas of North America, one of several species referred to by the common name aspen. It is commonly called quaking aspen, trembling aspen, American aspen, Quakies, mountain or golden aspen, trembling poplar, white poplar, popple, as well as others. The trees have tall trunks, up to 25 meters (82 feet) tall, with smooth pale bark, scarred with black.
If I'm not mistaken, Kwood255 is in the Kenora, Ontario area
Sorry Chet, haven't been on this page for quite some time. Yes, I'm Dryden. Not too far from Kenora. I will update location section on my account. Thanks.
Midwest gold.. Osage orange, hedge, ect.
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for my guy that does turkey and duck and goose calls.
The grubs seem to love that Osage sap wood because it's considered a fruit tree
I made more sawing progress today.
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Another load going to the stacking shed, making a total of 2472bf sawed so far. They are stickering a load after lunch and then another after work.
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Only 7 more SYP logs to saw before we tackle the Cherry, Ash, and Sassafras seen in the background.
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The customer and I made a joint "executive decision" to not saw these 24 ERC logs on this trip.
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Those plus this jumbled mess of ERC logs that have not been bucked to length. I will go back after the "Project" and saw only ERC.
I closed the book on this job this afternoon.
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A 30" butt Cherry log.
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The tailgunners working on a 25" butt Ash log.
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Mostly 1X10 Ash lumber sawed after lunch today. I sawed a total of 3516bf and the customer added a $206 tip. :) No more sawing until April. ;D
The customer sent me pictures if the stickered lumber sawed on the above job.
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Looks like he stacked each half day as he hauled if from the sawmill so the lumber whacks are mixtures.
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Another half day.
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It's all 8' length but this looks sorta haphazard. It looks like mostly 3/4 X 6.
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This is mostly 1X10 Ash.
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I believe that this entire whack is Cherry and shows some of the really nice ovals.
1464 board feet log scale of red oak in 3 big 14-15 ft logs. Sawn mostly live edge, so I just charged by scale.
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The last one was too heavy so I cut off 16 inches. Then it went on, but probably still over the 4400 weight limit. 12-1/2 ft, 30" small 37" large ends. The clamp head would not lift it. I think it was scarlet oak.
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The tail gunners were excellent, But there was nobody left to play with this fellow, so I had to keep throwing the ball. Cruise control comes in handy.
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Quote from: Magicman on March 22, 2023, 07:57:58 PM
I made more sawing progress today.
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Another load going to the stacking shed, making a total of 2472bf sawed so far. They are stickering a load after lunch and then another after work.
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Only 7 more SYP logs to saw before we tackle the Cherry, Ash, and Sassafras seen in the background.
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The customer and I made a joint "executive decision" to not saw these 24 ERC logs on this trip.
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Those plus this jumbled mess of ERC logs that have not been bucked to length. I will go back after the "Project" and saw only ERC.
"I made more sawing progress today" Understatement of the year,M.M. ! I know a bunch of twenty somethings that could not keep up to you.
Thanks but the reality is that I set no goals nor have any productivity expectation when I am sawing a job. My objective is that I will finish when there are no more logs to saw. Whether I saw 500, 1500, or 2500bf in a day is of no concern to me. Getting in a hurry and rushing is when bad things happen.
Good days will cancel out the bad days and in the end both the customer and I will be satisfied. I don't expect a tip but I'll admit that it gives me a warm feeling when the customer appreciates the job enough to reward me for my extra effort.
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Poplar. (The stinky pulp kind that I have up north, not the fancy stuff that grows down south.) ;D
Picked a couple decent sticks out of my firewood logs to make a few 6x6's. Cranked a few seconds and Mr. Kohler fired right up, first time making sawdust in months. 8)
The lowly aspen😊
Resonator, what will the 6x6 aspen be used for?
Probably runners for my heavy lumber pallets. Mainly I just wanted to dig the mill out of the snow and turn round logs into square lumber, because it actually got up to 45°. :snowman: :D
I like MM comment above about volume sawed on a job. I tell the customer my rates which includes a minimum to make it worth while to load my truck and move my mill. I figure same as and include the first thousand bf or same if hourly. The big question is always "How much do you saw in a day?" I tell them it depends on how good my helpers are and how well the logs are stacked and prepared and what we are making - framing vs sheeting, etc - but a typical day is usually 1500-2500 bf. Sometimes more sometimes less.
John and I finally got to saw a couple of hickory logs today. We picked them up a couple of weeks ago from a family not far from us. The three adult children were all students of mine several years ago. The oldest is building a house and she wanted a mantle from a tree off of her property. We ended up with some nice slabs too. The mantle can be seen on the saw horses behind the stack on the pallet. Some don't like to saw hickory but it beats planing and jointing live oak. Hopefully it will dry relatively flat.
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I sawed this yesterday. I thought it was a red oak, but i was badly mistaken.
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I hit a little bit of metal in it
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I think its poplar? When I used my phone app on the bark it says red oak, it says the wrong plant often.
I was surprised at how much lighter it is compared to the oak I typically cut or the hickory I cut last.
I cut a couple smaller hickory crotches to see it they will dry into bench or table tops. they are 2.5-3" thick
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I responded to this job 35 miles away. 14 Ash (One actually turned out to be poplar) logs. Very old and lots of waste. I had to slab deep to find any solid wood and some board turned out short because they would snap in the middle but looked solid on both ends. All were bug bitten and spalted but the client was thrilled at the character so I was happy. It turned out I had met the man several years ago when I put some wood and some of my wife's pictures in his indoor flea market on consignment. It did not work out well but it was worth a shot. He had recently returned from a hunting trip to Africa and had fished in the Amazon do we had plenty to talk about between logs.
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This is our stack of 12' and 10' boards. One 12' was pretty solid and we got some nice 12" wide boards.
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A couple of 8' stacks. My laptop and tape measure are on the back stack where we had just done a tally and the customer had gone to the house to get the cash. I prepare a spread sheet for each customer and at the end of the job he measures and counts and I plug the numbers in and the formulas built into the spreadsheet give us an instant total yield and cost to include mileage, bands (if applicable) and taxes. Total for the job was 1677 square feet. (I say square feet as all boards were cut to 3/4" thick and were from 6-12 inches wide).
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Here is the final look of the sawdust pile and set up at the end of the job. If we'd sawed another log I'd have had to shoveled some sawdust back as the chute tip was dragging at the bottom of the last could of cants. The customer threw the waste slabs on the side of the hill to burn later. We were on a small road on the New River and about a mile further away at the end of the road is a big National Park and campground. I told the customer he could probably sell or give the slabs to the campers for campfire wood. You can see the New River on the left side of the picture.
The customer was discussing future jobs he is planning including re-sawing a bunch of wormy chestnut so I am confident I'll be working with him again. He told me at one point he went to Indy to WM HQ and trained on a molder and bought and made a living with one of them for several years earlier in his career.
That's an impressive pile of sawdust too. I may have to put some thought into how to deal with sawdust when I begin sawing. I originally intended to use it in the garden and flower beds. There may be too much.
I had similar thoughts on my sawdust when I started milling then I found it had to be composted first or at least mixed with a lot of chicken manure and such for extra N2. Then I thought I'd just burn it. Do you know how hot a fire has to be to burn green sawdust? Then I figured I'd just throw it in the wet areas around the place to dry them up. Did you know sawdust is like a sponge and just holds water. ::) Then I started building composting toilets and it works good in them but I'd have to set up shop in Washington DC or California to generate enough demand to get rid of it.
I currently just dump most of it in low spots for fill. My grandkids can use it when they are my age to garden with.
I find mixing it with clay 50/50 and letting it sit for a year or so makes dirt that will grow grass pretty well.
I have a big combine wheel that I use for a fire out in the yard, by my sawmill area. if you have some good coals, You can dump a loader of sawdust from the ground from the mill. it will smoke and smolder, and at the end of the week it is carbon. no flames, but gone.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 30, 2023, 09:50:16 PMI currently just dump most of it in low spots for fill. My grandkids can use it when they are my age to garden with.
lol That's one idea. There's plenty of low spots around here and someone may eventually get some use from it. Seems like it should make good mulch, but I've seen others say it needs to be composted first. I don't remember the reasoning. We've been using green wood chips straight from the shredder for mulch with great success. That's the best use I've found for young Sweetgum trees so far.
Mulch is ok on the surface. I have been told that if mixed in the soil as an amenity, it will bind the nitrogen for a long time as it breaks down. so it is not available to the plant. same reason you compost grass and leaves but they break down faster.. not an expert.
Yeah, I heard that too. I don't mix it in the dirt. Just spread it 3 - 4 inches on top. It keeps the grass and weeds down and holds the moisture in. If you scrape it back after it's been down a while there's a nice thin layer of black decomposing chips on top of the dirt. Like you said, if you mix it in before it decays you'll have to add a bunch of nitrogen to get the plants happy again. Maybe it's different further north? Maybe the sawdust would pack too tightly together and cause some kind of problem if used as mulch? Sorry for being off topic.
RT,
In case you did not know it apologizing for getting off topic is not FF policy. :D The other truism is everything eventually leads to food. ;)
That's it, you need some green stuff with all that brown to get it to cook best.
Machinebuilder, that is not a poplar, nice bullet, wish it was better centered. Maybe it'll get em scrolling back up the page, I'm thinking black gum? Every now and then the side head dust collector on the molder had shot sitting in it that the suction couldn't pull. I always wondered how much flew by off the 6000 rpm cutterhead.
It is fun seeing Howard along the same river downstream a little up from here.
Don,
That downstream up from here comment may confuse some folks.
What Don is saying is even though I am north of him I am also downstream as the New River is one of the few rivers in the USA that actually flows north. It is also supposedly the second oldest river in the world behind the Nile.
My customer told me yesterday when he was a young man he was a river guide on the New River and the company told him if you drilled straight down through the earth from here in WV that you would hit the Nile. I have not verified the truth on that yet.
The Red River of the North that flows on the border of Minnesota and North Dakota is another North flowing one.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 31, 2023, 05:29:24 PMMy customer told me yesterday when he was a young man he was a river guide on the New River and the company told him if you drilled straight down through the earth from here in WV that you would hit the Nile. I have not verified the truth on that yet.
A quick play with Google Earth puts you some place East of Perth, Australia. You might find MH370, but there isn't much else out there....
Opposite NZ is actually Spain, and if you want to get to China, you need to start in Chile. ;D
The Allagash and St John Rivers flow north too.
Cut this nice 6x10 inch 7 foot live edge ERC mantel today.
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The customer will haul it in her SUV to Colorado on April 15th. I gather she will spent the night enroute. My question, should she wrap it in plastic, to keep the cedar from overwelming her sniffer, or just tell her to roll down the window?
hugs, Brandi
Just tell her to push it up on a towel between the front between seats.
Tell her to not put it in her shoe for an air freshener, or she may get a speeding ticket. :D and do not hang it from the mirror, as it might break her car. looks great. I see you like you some ERC. :) talk soon. might wrap it in heavy paper to keep the color. or she can sand off a 16th later to get it back. It will have a little drying to do.
Wrapping it with Saran/Cling wrap might help with the sniffer and will not make any difference regarding drying. I would not hesitate to install it "green" when she gets it to Colorado.
Looks good.
I have a fairly large (whole house) framing lumber job that the customer and I have been trying to schedule since December. It's 70 miles away and he will have to hire the tailgunners so having a mid-week rain day would not be cost effective. It's hard to believe that in over 3 months, we have not had a clear week.
Since DonP has pointed outmy very wrong wood ID (thanks)
Here is a picture of the bark, and the 2 previously posted pictures of the boards.
this is a very light weight wood, I can't remember which tree I cut down or what the leaves looked like.
The log had been laying for about a year and had no rot.
Thanks
Dave
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Quote from: Machinebuilder on April 01, 2023, 09:53:36 AM
Since DonP has pointed outmy very wrong wood ID (thanks)
Here is a picture of the bark, and the 2 previously posted pictures of the boards.
this is a very light weight wood, I can't remember which tree I cut down or what the leaves looked like.
The log had been laying for about a year and had no rot.
Thanks
Dave
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In my humble opinion it is Bass Wood, as it's lighter on the ridges and darker in the furrows along with the X,Y pattern of the bark and is as u say a very light weight wood ...
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Sawed a bunch of cedar this afternoon. Had some heart rot, but I sawed parallel to the bark and got some really nice boards from it.
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Should have probably posted this in the "did something dumb" thread. I knew it was time to change the blade but I decided I could get 1 more board before I did. I guess some of us don't learn unless it costs us money. This cost me a blade, a drive belt, and a cedar board.
Sorry but if that blade took a dive because it was dull, you were at least an hour past changing time. :-X
Change blades when they are "not sharp", not when they are "dull". :P
After I got the blade out and put on a new belt and blade I discovered my speed control is stuck at full speed. So the combination of blade getting dull plus full feed speed in the cut resulted in the mess you see. Must have failed right after I entered the cut. But no doubt I should have changed that blade a few cuts before.
OK, the power feed stuck at full speed lets you somewhat off of the hook. ;D :D
I broke one today on the re-saw for the same reason, didn't have 10 boards to go and wanted to finish up, right there with you. ::)
Yep I snapped one yesterday trying to finish a log. I could almost sense Magic riding on my shoulder like a little birdie chirping, "shoulda changed it an hour ago, shoulda changed it an hour ago"😁
That same bird often chirps to me. At noon I'll feel and look at the blade saying to myself, "it's Ok" or "maybe I can finish the day with this blade" and then I see a wave. Chirp, chirp.
Yup, change the blade with only an hour 'till quitting time. :-X
If blade changing was a big deal then we would have an excuse, but it ain't and we don't. ::)
There's not much on FF that I am qualified to comment on, so I can't pass up this opportunity. The Shenandoah River (both North and South Forks) flow north. Going up the Shenandoah Valley, is actually going down stream.
Ain't it always that "just one more cut" that gets ya. :-X
My birdie says: "buy a blade sharpener, and you won't run out of sharp blades". :D
I'm not gonna run out of blades. I normally have 2 boxes of 10 somewhere in the ReSharp cycle. There is an unopened box of 15 and about 30 Resharps in my blade room plus I always have 10 on my truck.
If/when I am on the road sawing for a week, I leave home with 20 sharp blades and I have never even come close to running out.
Now Magic, you are on one end of the Professional, Methodical and Prepared scale. I am on the other end (and not the good end😁) Most others fall in somewhere between. That's why some of us are out here testing fate😂 If you've never read Patrick McManus' story, "Sequences", I feel like it gives an apt description of my cluttered and disorganized life and the challenges inherent. I think I would have to pause life for about 6 months to just get everything organized to be on equal footing😊
barbender:
You mention Patrick McManus - Do you know if anyone is selling his books on disc?
Something you could listen to while driving.
I especially enjoyed his story titled PIGS. I believe it was a May issue but I do not remember the year.
GAB
GAB, I've downloaded several of them on the Audible app. It is a paid subscription that I would only recommend if you listen to a lot of audio books. I did when I ran a forwarder daily, not so much now. I'd probably cancel my subscription but I'd lose all the accumulated credits I have. Audible is all I've ever used and I know nothing of how to get audio books other ways, which I'm sure there are many.
I will say, for whatever reason McManus stories are much funnier read, then listened to.
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I bucked this 12' poplar log off the rest in the woods yesterday and dragged it to the mill. I needed it for siding on my shed to keep my bins full of LE slabs dry. I sawed it into 4/4 boards.
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Finished quickly with 96 bf of siding which I immediately installed on my shed.
My shed build is pretty much finished except for the doors. Our flea market opened today but the hardware dealer I was hoping to get my hinges from was not there today. He usually brings a big trailer full of good hardware at reasonable prices. At the entrance the owner pointed to a 22" X 8/4 hickory slab I had cut there at the flea market for him. He was using it for his table and pointed it out to me. He was real proud of it and he has sent other business my way.
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GAB, I've downloaded several of them on the Audible app. It is a paid subscription that I would only recommend if you listen to a lot of audio books. I did when I ran a forwarder daily, not so much now. I'd probably cancel my subscription but I'd lose all the accumulated credits I have. Audible is all I've ever used and I know nothing of how to get audio books other ways, which I'm sure there are many.
I will say, for whatever reason McManus stories are much funnier read, then listened to.
Thanks for the reply, and your final comment. I never thought of that.
GAB
That's a fact Jack! I concur. When we read something like the McManus stuff we have certain pictures in our heads and accents or speech patterns we apply to the writer and speakers. Hearing that in an audio book just takes all that away.
When I would get each of Pa's books when they came out and would be reading in the evenings and chuckling out loud, then laughing, then sometimes had tears in my eyes, my wife would think I had lost my mind. I treasured those books. It was in the reading. About 10 years ago I tied all my McManus and Ed Zern books into a tall bundle and gifted them to a young cousin who I knew would enjoy them as much as I have. I hope he did. I recently found one I missed, and I think it's time for a re-read. ;D
My secondary supply of logs is from the beach in front of my house. This project I wanted to cut some Yellow cedar for stairs treads for my Daughters barn.
Ended up with 6- 1 1/2 X 12 boards that we cut to 4 feet and used a not so good side cut for the top two treads. We will cut some more when it is delivered to the beach.
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Ill figure this picture posting out one day
Not really sawing yet but working on getting some white oak logs. A widow 2 doors down had them cut last Fall and they fell across the creek with the tops on another neighbors land. Its a beautiful white oak but I am afraid I'll have to cut them into short lengths to be able to move them with my little tractor and lift them with my FEL. I should have cut them months ago but between ATV accidents with broken ribs, bad weather, covid and shed building I have not gotten around to it till now.
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Here are the trees with the WO tops on the neighbors hillside. The big log is the WO and the smaller tree across it is a buckeye.
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Here are the logs over the top with the creek 20-25 feet below.
I cut the lops and dragged them out with my ATV and a long 1/4" cable and cut them into firewood and stacked the small tops against the hillside in a brush pile for my old neighbor who owns the land where they fell.
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Here is the stack of cut firewood and you can see the tops are pretty much cleared off the mountainside. Just the logs over the creek. I'll finish on this side of the creek tomorrow and start cutting the trees into lengths I can handle and bring my tractor over tomorrow and use my long cables and a snatch block to pull the logs across and up from the creek.
The landowner needs the firewood and I cut it and left it for him and his family to load and stack. He gets free firewood, I can use the logs and the widow neighbor gets rid of the nuisance trees. They aren't free but I will cut the WO up for tomato stakes and bench legs and such and I'll get compensated for them in the long run.
They are both good neighbors and I am glad to get along with and help both of them.
GAB and OGH, yes McManus is definitely best enjoyed in your imagination😂 I think of many times I've read one of his stories, and tried to explain it to someone...it just doesn't come across right🤷 I have just shamelessly stolen some of his humor, or styled something after the way he told a story and made people really bust a gut😁
I remember one story where he said he had a run in with the "Mean Nasties" motorcycle gang, that one always stuck in my head. I had a gang I used to make deer drives with, those guys thought it a sin I think to engage their 4x4 so they just spun around everywhere. 4-5 vehicles leaving a drive, people alternating turning around, pulling out, and everyone spinning. Absolute mayhem. So I named that group the Tire Spinning Crazies, like I said not stolen directly from Pat but he was definitely the inspiration for that. Those folks never got T-shirts made up with the club name on it or anything, but I think they were pretty close😂😂
Another one that always stuck in my mind was when he was a lad, he said he worked for a German farmer who in his imagination, was a former SS labor camp official. "Verk! Verk!", the farmer would beller at him and his coworkers all day😂 I still use that on my kids, and whoever might be lucky enough to get stuck with us doing firewood bundles. "Verk! Verk!"😂😂
Even on audiobook, they're still worth a listen. If they're stories you've read before, if nothing else it brings everything back to your mind and you'll be chuckling just like the last time you read them- even if it was 25-30 years ago as on my case😊
Well I will say that guys like Pat, Ed Zern, Jerry Clower, Archie Campbell, and even Andy Griffith as well as many other folk humorists had a lasting influence on me in my formative years. That's not only unusual for a young man growing up in a highly suburban environment, it made me an alien amongst my peers. Few understood me or my humor and most thought I was in need of counseling. They may or may not have been right.
If you've never heard it, here is Andy's take on football:
Andy Griffith Football Story from 1953 - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNxLxTZHKM8)
I well remember AGs football story. His setting for his Mayberry shows was just across the line from Va in NC about 100 miles from here. Mt Airy and Mt Pilot (Actually called Pilot Mountain) and Siler City and The Fancy Gap. are all real places there in the VA/NC border area. If you drive through Mt. Airy you will see places with names for it like Aunt Bea's cafe, Floyd's Barber Shop. Goober's Garage, etc.
In Virginia, our big TV claim to fame is Walton's Mountain located near the town of Schuyler in Nelson County, Virginia and Cooter's Dukes of Hazzard tourist trap near Luray, Virginia.
QuoteLocated twenty-five miles south of Charlottesville in the foothills of Virginia's Blue Ridge Mountain range you will find the small hamlet of Schuyler. It is a quiet village nestled along the Rockfish River in Nelson County that was once home to The Waltons creator, Earl Hamner.
QuoteThe Luray location of Cooter's features Daisy's Diner, Cooter's tow truck ("the wrecker"), and Cooter's garage with General Lee, all of which are regular occurrences on the show.
You also have the camp where they did dirty dancing. It is about 60-65 miles from me across the line off Hwy 460.
Mountain Lake Lodge - Dirty Dancing (mtnlakelodge.com) (https://www.mtnlakelodge.com/mlliskellermans)
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Andy got stuck watching something, that he knew nothing about, in that cow pasture.
It has always seemed to me that they there is simple solution to all of that fighting and getting hurt.
Just give each bunch of guys their own pumpkin to play with.
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Still not sawing but getting close. I am still cutting the big WO log over the creek for my neighbor lady. I finished cutting up the tops for firewood for the neighbor whose land they landed one. Yesterday I bucked off a 6' small fork and an 8' main fork upper.
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I managed to pinch my saw in the log which was under an awful lot of stress but was near enough done to rotate and free it with my LogRite cant hook.
I started the day off changing the bar to a 24" bar as this is a big log. In the process I found the bar was the wrong model - the chain stretcher did not line up and could not get the cover on. I laid it on top of the 20" bar and it was obvious the holes are off about 1/4". I called my small engine guy I got it from an ordered another and will take this one back the next time I am over that way.
I had an inspiration last night on how to keep from pinching my bar on top and tried it today. I'd plunge cut straight down the length of the bar then drive in a felling wedge then plunge cut .from the side down then cut the top and that worked. Did not pinch the saw or split off the wood. Because of the weight I bucked the logs to 5'.
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The butt log I cut off about 2' and I still spotted some metal from an ingrown fence. It was too heavy to load with my FEL so I'll have to split it if addingmy hydraulic fluid does not fix the problem.
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Here are the logs as they fell in Madan's Creek. The first on the bank I could reach with the tractor and drag out. The rest I used a snatch block about 10' high in a convenient maple tree and a 1/4" cable. They came right out with the tractor.
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I got them all out of the creek in the neighbor's yard and took 3 loads home in my 5 X 8 trailer. I'd drg them out with my ATV. I still have 3-4 more loads but my hydraulics on the FEL failed a couple times. Seems to be when it got hot it would not work. I'd let it cook and it would work. I had planned to put the tractor in the shop when I go to Jakes so hopefully I can limp along with it till then. (Actually the 2 logs on the right are buckeye. I am torn whether to saw of firewood them out. They have not great value either way.) I will get lots of high quality tomato stakes out of the rest.
I've been sawing some Cuban Mahogany, Camphor, Monkeypod,and Woman's Tongue
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Sawed some kind of hardwood today. No bark on the log. Maybe white oak???
Do you see the rays that would help identify it as an oak?
Clear close-up of a clean, sharp end-grain pic would help us give a pretty good guess.
That's the cleanest mill shed I have ever seen. :D
Sawed up a couple pitch pine logs today to get some 4x4"s to brace my barn.Centers were off quite a bit and more wood went in slab pile than into lumber but I still got more than I had this morning :laugh:
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@Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297) I'd be living in the mill shed if I brought fresh off the saw boards into our house :D
Quote from: Wlmedley on April 07, 2023, 08:56:38 PM
Sawed up a couple pitch pine logs today to get some 4x4"s to brace my barn.Centers were off quite a bit and more wood went in slab pile than into lumber but I still got more than I had this morning :laugh:
4x4s or 2x4s? I see 2x4s in the photo. ???
hugs, Brandi
Look at second picture real close and you will see six 4"x4"s. I know it's not much but poor people have poor ways :laugh:.
Oh, you were trying to hide them!
hugs, Brandi
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2x8x12 and 2x12x12 poplar for float trailer decking.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 04, 2023, 07:45:33 AM
You also have the camp where they did dirty dancing. It is about 60-65 miles from me across the line off Hwy 460.
Mountain Lake Lodge - Dirty Dancing (mtnlakelodge.com) (https://www.mtnlakelodge.com/mlliskellermans)
I live in the Catskill Mountains. It is where dirty dancing is supposed to be in the movies We are 90 miles from the George Washington Bridge. Before air conditioning and cheap airfare everyone from NYC spent their summers in the "mountains" in resort hotels and bungalow colonies.
Quote from: Wlmedley on April 07, 2023, 08:56:38 PM
Sawed up a couple pitch pine logs today to get some 4x4"s to brace my barn.Centers were off quite a bit and more wood went in slab pile than into lumber but I still got more than I had this morning :laugh:
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One of the great things about a sawmill is you can turn a junkie old log into something useful for yourself.
Rich,
Yes, the story line is Dirty Dancing is in the Catskills but the actual lodge used on the set is in western Virginia.
On the flip side, the movie "Wrong Turn" was supposed to occur near Bluefield WV (35 miles from me) but the actual filming was done in Canada and some even in Bulgaria. I guess they could not find enough evil cannibals around here to produce the movie.
This morning, while hauling offcuts and slabs to the burn pile, I came across a couple of short logs, that we cut off of longer logs that we previously sawed. Rather than tossing them onto the pile, I slabbed them and will likely bring a couple of the slabs to the project next week. They aren't anything special but they are from trees we don't generally get to saw. There is a ton of tension in the wood which will allow for copious amounts of resin to be used to fill voids.
The pictures today did not show the color well, so the longer slabs were also shown.
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Here is a 5' WO log from one of the ones I harvested/salvaged from my neighbor. About 20" diameter. I sawed it up into 1" X 1" tomato stakes.
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Total yield about 170 stakes. About 70 bf. I'll sell them for $15/dz or about $3/bf. A lot of time and effort but about the best I can get for them around here. These are top notch tomato stakes and, being WO, will last a long time.
I'm sawing 20 foot 4x10s. My 20 footers are getting long in the tooth and no sure if I have enough. Anyway, sawing a 2 inch board from the cant than splitting two 4x10s to have the first two beams. But I forgot a toe board and sawed on an angle into my top 4x10. Yep, cut down 1.5 inches too far.
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hugs, Brandi
Watch those 20's, they have a tendency to droop because they're hanging so far past the bed supports. And od couse, raised toe boards don't help anything😊
I have the swing bunks all the way extended, so only about 18 inches on each end are unsupported. Not my first time sawing 20 footers. Just my first time sawing with a toe board not all the way down.
hugs, Brandi
I never forget and leave my toe boards up! (Unless there is a really big crowd watching ::) ::) :D).
Howard, do you put a point on those tomato sticks?
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Between Easter Breakfast and Easter Dinner I edged a little pine.
Happy Easter!
I used to cut 10' stakes then saw them in half with a circle saw at a 45 degree angle leaving a one-sided point on each half. In this case (Don't tell OSHA) I set my table saw up with the fence about 1" from the running blade and held the end of the stake stuck the tip end of each stake to the blade at an angle 2 times leaving an arrowhead shaped point.
NOTE: I do not recommend this system for others especially when there are others in the area. I was working in an outside environment. I raked up the cut-offs today and threw them on the burn pile.
EDIT-ADD-ON: Looking back, next time I will leave the fence off as all it did was capture the cut-off and it would be safer without it. A nice stake pointer would be nice but without a lot of investment it would be slower than this system.
Miter saw at a 45°? I have the lumber jack stake pointer, a bit rough and or needs tuning up.
78°F here in Sacramento. Need to head up the hill and see what's what with the snow up there.
I don't have a miter saw or the stake pointer (although I'd like and have thought about getting one). I don't have a lathe to mount the stake pointer so would have to use it on my drill and that would be slower than the table saw but it would put a nice round tipped point on them. With the mount of time I spent on these and the sale price they are getting a bargain, especially for high quality WO stakes.
While not OSHA approved I am 4' from the running blade when I touch the tip of the stake too it. Flying shrapnel is the only real risk and removing the fence will prevent most of that. Besides, somebody has to be job security for Doc. ::)
Quote from: ljohnsaw on April 10, 2023, 02:16:37 AM78°F here in Sacramento.
So does that mean that you are back home? The last thing I saw, you were flying over Paris and did not realize that you were headed West?
Ment to post that on the weather thread. Yes, back home. Need to post a wrap up on the travel thread.
Running more Northern Ontario hardwood through the LT40 over the weekend. Mostly birch and a bit more white poplar.
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What causes the blade to leave a short, say 1-2 inches, ramp up as you enter the cut?
hugs, Brandi
I enter slower than the cruising speed until the width of the blade is in the wood. species of wood, sharpness and tension of the blade could also play a role. can you share a pic? I am imagining it dives and comes back up in a few inches, but not sure.
Quote from: Bindian on April 12, 2023, 04:27:15 PM
What causes the blade to leave a short, say 1-2 inches, ramp up as you enter the cut?
hugs, Brandi
Dull blade. It's called "push off".
Jim Rogers
Assuming that your alignment is correct, if you can't/don't enter the log at sawing speed, change the blade.
Quote from: Magicman on April 12, 2023, 07:05:39 PM
Assuming that your alignment is correct, if you can't/don't enter the log at sawing speed, change the blade.
I was wondering about entry speed. When I got my dealer checkout schooling on the mill, he told me to enter slow, then speed up.
Thanks guys
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on April 12, 2023, 04:39:07 PM
I enter slower than the cruising speed until the width of the blade is in the wood. species of wood, sharpness and tension of the blade could also play a role. can you share a pic? I am imagining it dives and comes back up in a few inches, but not sure.
Doc,
I'll try to get a photo tomorrow. It cuts it so the profile is tapered towards the end of the board. Then it cuts the requested thickness.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Bindian on April 12, 2023, 09:33:58 PMhe told me to enter slow, then speed up.
He is allowing the blade to stabilize and rid itself of any harmonics/vibration. I did exactly that during my sawing years before the FF. I read otherwise on here and have not even thought about the entry speed since. If the blade rises on entry as Jim mentioned above, change it.
MM is correct, think of it this way a re-saw operates no differently than a sawmill, the band cuts a path through the fiber. In the case of a re-saw the fiber moves through the band and in the case of a WM sawmil the band moves through the fiber - same thing really, except with a re-saw there is no slow down or speed up, the belt moves the lumber through the band at the same speed from entry to exit, and there is no up/down band movement or chatter on the board (assuming the band is sharp). It works for the re-saw so no reason it does not work for the mill.
Quote from: Magicman on April 12, 2023, 09:59:16 PM
Quote from: Bindian on April 12, 2023, 09:33:58 PMhe told me to enter slow, then speed up.
He is allowing the blade to stabilize and rid itself of any harmonics/vibration. I did exactly that during my sawing years before the FF. I read otherwise on here and have not even thought about the entry speed since. If the blade rises on entry as Jim mentioned above, change it.
I let everything stabilize after the debarker is turned on, before moving the blade. I will charge into the cut then at cutting speed and if I get a ramp, change the blade.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Southside on April 12, 2023, 10:30:00 PM
MM is correct, think of it this way a re-saw operates no differently than a sawmill, the band cuts a path through the fiber. In the case of a re-saw the fiber moves through the band and in the case of a WM sawmil the band moves through the fiber - same thing really, except with a re-saw there is no slow down or speed up, the belt moves the lumber through the band at the same speed from entry to exit, and there is no up/down band movement or chatter on the board (assuming the band is sharp). It works for the re-saw so no reason it does not work for the mill.
Now that makes a lot of sense. Thanks!!!
hugs, Brandi
I'm fixing to do my 50 hour inspection and wanna change the drive wheel bearing sight tube. It's getting hard to see thru. What diameter is it? 5/8 or 1/2 inch?
hugs, Brandi
It ain't ½", might even be ¾". You will know when the get the old one off. ;D
Thank you for the analogy @Southside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24297). I used to enter the cut slow and then speed up, but with the information on here, lately I've been trying to enter at sawing speed. If I'm not thinking about it, I go back to entering slow. For some reason it always seemed wrong to enter at sawing speed.
Quote from: Magicman on April 13, 2023, 08:19:29 AM
It ain't ½", might even be ¾". You will know when the get the old one off. ;D
Thanks Lynn. I am leaning to it being 5/8th inch. I hate taking something apart and then having to shut down and go get something. I learned in aviation that work stoppage is a prime place to have screwups.
Guess I need to check what I have left over in the barn to confirm.
hugs, Brandi
Doc and all,
Here is the ramp on the 2nd 4x10.
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Measurement on the end.
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Measurement about a 6 inches from the end. This was my cut target.
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hugs, Brandi
If the ramp isn't fairly sudden, but taperd over a few feet, I'd check for a settled tail end jack as well. Lots of stuff can cause an entry push off. Dry ends on the logs will cause them to have a tendency to push off. So will a loose drive belt. Dull blade obviously.
First time working on the mill since January. Good time to break in the new helper.
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some slabs from the neighbors sentimental pine.
That made some wobbly looking slabs. I love it. :)
I have some surprise sawing this morning that will be posted later today. 8)
What is all that green stuff in the trees that you more southerly folks have in the background?
I will have to take some close up picks and put it on the ID thread. they look a little like leaves. I have mowed my yard once. We get 4 seasons here and are not dominated by any one of them.
I guess my point is, what are leaves?😁
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My yard this morning🤷
At least you can see the dirt :D My sawmill site just got another 12" of snow on top the 3' that was still there ::)
No leaves here but have a few trees blooming.
Pine was dropping pollen last week, the cherry are going to bloom in a coupe of days at most and I have caught two swarms of bees already. It was a great week of spring and I suspect summer will be here in a week or so and the death ray will return.
Quote from: barbender on April 13, 2023, 02:38:09 PM
If the ramp isn't fairly sudden, but taperd over a few feet, I'd check for a settled tail end jack as well. Lots of stuff can cause an entry push off. Dry ends on the logs will cause them to have a tendency to push off. So will a loose drive belt. Dull blade obviously.
I check that tail stand every time I saw. I had 1/16th inch shims as the ground settles under it. That seems to only affect the end of the cut, not the start.
Dry ends.................that never occurred to me. These logs were a couple of months from the burn pile.
If the customer asks I will point to dry ends. LOL
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on April 14, 2023, 08:09:02 AM
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some slabs from the neighbors sentimental pine.
You got some nice curves there Doc! Not quite enough to call them an "hourglass".
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on April 14, 2023, 01:01:51 PM
I will have to take some close up picks and put it on the ID thread. they look a little like leaves. I have mowed my yard once. We get 4 seasons here and are not dominated by any one of them.
We got 4 seasons here too. Winter, Pre summer, Summer, and Post summer.
hugs, Brandi
Thanks Brandi!
Quote from: Magicman on April 01, 2023, 09:07:58 AM
I have a fairly large (whole house) framing lumber job that the customer and I have been trying to schedule since December. It's ~70 miles away and he will have to hire the tailgunners so having a mid-week rain day would not be cost effective. It's hard to believe that in over 3 months, we have not had a clear week.
I finally made the 78 mile journey and started this job this morning. :o This is a customer that Luke and I sawed for in July & August, 2020. At that time we only sawed Oak, but this time it is both Oak and SYP. The Oak will all be sawn into 1X4,6,8,10, & 12" widths.
The SYP will all be 2X6 framing lumber.
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I counted 88 logs from ~12" top to ~26" butt. Some are very good and some not so much.
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I was there at 6:35, but we did not get everything lined out and begin sawing until 10:00. This is 1028bf headed to the stacking shed at 4:00, so not too shabby.
I had time to mill one log today. It was a walnut that was the last picture I had sent to Danny. He said it had more sapwood than any walnut he had seen. It was about a 24" log and only the middle 12" was heart. I decided it would be best as 8/4 live edge slabs. Luckily its only about 6' long so I could handle them ok. I think it will make pretty tables as long as it dries well.
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I have slowly knocked the junky/rotton Red Oak logs out. I have 6 very nice ones to saw tomorrow into 1X6's, and then there are 5 more that will be sawn after I saw the 2X6 SYP. I managed 1270bf today and I doubt that tomorrow will be much different.
Hi Y'all,
Tomorrow I'll be milling up 2000 bdft of Deodar Cedar out here in CA. Only two large diameter 16' logs. The rest are short and smaller diameter. Will be a full day to get through them all. Will have a back hoe with clamshell to keep loading logs on the mill and one helper to offload and stack on trailer and PU.
We had five feet of snow that made for a slow winter but things are picking up now. This photo was only about two feet. That's my PU on the right side of this photo.
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Hi Ron, so glad to see you come up for air and make a post!!
I had been wondering how you faired with the snow??
Not milling this yet, hoping to get it though. My dad sent me a picture of this white oak today. The burl is about 3 ft in diameter.
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Today I milled hackberry. The spalting wasn't as much as I would have liked and the sapwood was very punky, but I did get some nice boards. I also made a mantel out of the smallest of the logs I had. It has some very nice spalting.
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There are only two Oak logs left before we get to the 54 SYP logs tomorrow.
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The customer's 94 year old Mom came to visit us today, seen here with the customer on the right and a tailgunner between him and Mom.
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She is seen here giving me instructions on what to do with this badly twisted split log. ;D
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The cut list was for nothing but 1X6's today, 181 in fact. Here is 1129bf headed to the stacking shed.
As I mentioned earlier, all of the SYP will be sawn into 2X6 framing lumber for the customer's new home.
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These 2 stacks are first to be sawed. They are at a customer site 54 miles away. The man has been calling me for 2 years, the logs have been down over a year. I went over today and the logs were not laid out how and where we had last discussed last Fall when I stopped by for a site visit. Plus he was uncertain what he actually wants from them. Today he said he did not need anything over 10'. The longest log on front of the stack is 16'6". Some are 8'. The customer has a helper and an excavator operator but they were running around doing other projects and I could not get started till 9:30. I got there as promised at 7:30 and set up on the small stack. I sawed one small log then started on a nice sized poplar and a finger on the power feed drum switch broke. It pulled out of the module itself and I could not jury rig it back to get through so I stopped the job. I should have had but did not have a spare ::) so I called WM and ordered 2. They will be here tomorrow but we are supposed to have rain Saturday and Sunday. I'll go back over Monday and replace the switch and resume sawing. There are these logs and a similar sized stack 1/4mile or so away on the same site. I will do them next if the stack below which are mostly pine and I see one poplar in there do not turn out to be useable. This looks like a couple weeks work. I hate working this far from home especially for a multi-day job.
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These may or may not be worth sawing.
I have 2 more 1-2 day jobs in the works. One is a Saturday and about 20 miles from this site so I may just squeeze it in, move the mill and bring it back. I think I can finish this one before going to the 2nd job. Both those jobs are many time repeat customers.
My customer wanted to know if I had a metal detector? Yup, actually three. I handed him two and verified that they would in fact, find metal.
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He did not find anything but I did with my fool proof detector......twice.
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Trailer loaded with 1540bf of Oak 1X6's and SYP 2X6's.
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This is what I started with Monday.
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And this is what remains after 4 days of sawing.
The forecast is for intermittent rain tomorrow so we shall see.
Good luck finishing up tomorrow. But the weather man didn't sound very encouraging tonight. If you only lost one blade in all those logs I'd think that's pretty good. Especially not knowing anything about them.
Two blades lost to metal...so far. These logs came out of a campground/trailer park, so everything imaginable has been nailed or screwed to them. The customer is working really hard and so far we are even. He found two and I found two, but of course mine cost him $45 each. :o
Another log landing picture:
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Yup, the landing is clear. ;D
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And there are only 11 logs at the sawmill to be sawn Monday. :)
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Some blades didn't fair too well. Actually 3 metal strikes and trashed blades today. This one knocked the blade off of the bandwheel and the teeth that are not bent, aren't there.
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Bookmatched construction screws did the above damage. :-X
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A happy trailer load of framing lumber headed to the stacking shed. The tally was 2008bf sawed today.
We had no rain delay today and the tailgunners did surprisingly well (for a change).
Nice lumber Lynn as always. Did you get completely through and head home with your mill.
No, those 11 logs at the sawmill will be sawed Monday. I kinda wanted to finish tomorrow morning and then bring the sawmill home, but the tailgunners had other plans. We knocked off sawing at 4:00 each evening so they could sticker the lumber which easily took another hour.
Free Shipping on Wood-Mizer blades until April 30th, so another box of 15 is on the way. ;D
MM you were just a youngin when Mom stopped by your job!
Yup 'cause she is much older than I am. She will be 95 next month and it will be July before I turn 80. :)
I filled up the Diesel jugs, coiled 15 new blades, and packed up 10 to go to ReSharp this morning so I am ready for next week.
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I have a customer trying to get tailgunner help for this job. Shown here is mostly Walnut.
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And this is an assortment of whatever. I'll set up and let the Prentice handle the logs.
Some might remember this location where I sawed the 43 tree length Cypress logs last July, and the outside bark slabs were the cut list. Yhe actual lumber was a byproduct.
Magicman that 210 turn table loader was made where I worked for 39 years don't think I worked on it spent most of my later years working on the next size up the 410. We made a lot of both size loaders. Randy
I don't know what I sawed today, maybe you can help.
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Dry in first picture, wet second. Very large growth rings, 7/16ths give or take. Dense wood. Heavy.
My first thought was butternut. Maybe honey locust?
Was blown over in a storm. Broke at ground level. Rot in stump but no sign of rot in the log.
What say you?
Bark,
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Ain't Honey Locust. I wish that there was a closeup end grain picture but it looks ring porous.
I am thinking you sawed yourself some propeller blades.
Very pretty wood but I don't know what it is.
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Only pic I have of end grain.
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The bark doesn't look like Butternut that I have seen.
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Magicman that 210 turn table loader was made where I worked for 39 years don't think I worked on it spent most of my later years working on the next size up the 410. We made a lot of both size loaders. Randy
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I hauled some log loader machines on flatbed out of Prentice (WI) back in the day. At the time the company had been just bought out by Cat, and were switching over to Cat engines and paint colors.
I retired just before Cat took over. I left 8-20-2006
I would have to look when I took the pic, would have been '07 or years soon after. I know I hauled a couple to southern states; one Louisiana, one Mississippi. One I know they couldn't lift it off the trailer. Instead they had to assemble the cab, and run the hydraulics to lower the outriggers. Then I was able to drive out from underneath it.
Quote from: Magicman on April 22, 2023, 09:50:44 AMFree Shipping on Wood-Mizer blades until April 30th, so another box of 15 is on the way.
I was on the phone with WM Parts ordering accessories for my mill a couple weeks ago and my tech reminded me of this, so I ordered a box of ten.....
They arrived today.
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I sawed this 934bf which was the remaining 11 logs this morning bringing the total yield for the job to 7850bf.
I also trashed a total of 6 blades on nails & screws @$45 = $270.
I had a nice jingle in my pocket when I got home. I am off tomorrow so my next job depends upon the weather.
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did my best to resaw some 3 inch planks to 3/8th to sheet some foe beams and mantels in this families remodel. lost some to warp and cup and twist. no one was killed in the making of this material. had a good time. the oak was standing dead and cut into slabs. very hard checked knots and it dulled three bands in the process.
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I returned to my sawing site 54 miles away and replaced the drum switch to the power feed. (Covered in more detail in the repair thread). I finished the big poplar log on the mill then moved it a few yards to a new set up location. The customer had reorganized the logs in a much better set up than my past post. I forgot to take a before picture. This is at the end of the day and by the customer's count we did 30 logs there today. I think 2-4 we had to cut in half some maybe it was more. I had a good helper but we were sawing only 1X6 and 1X4 so no speed records getting broken.
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This is a 12' trailer and the helper flat stacked them temporarily on it trying to keep them separated by species and length and says it will be sticker stacked when I get back in the morning. No tally today but I'm guessing 1200-1400 bf total.
All these logs have been cut a year or more. Today was all cherry, maple and a few poplar. I have another stack this big or bigger to do after this one so I will be there a while.
It's aggravating to have to saw rotting logs. My problem with the job that I finished this morning was not the 3 months that passed while we were waiting for the rain to quit. It was the year+ that he waited before he called me. There was much loss. ::)
I was sawing 8x8 cants, 8 foot long. I was just making the final sizing cut with a sharp blade (less than 10 eight foot cuts) when the blade dived below the 8 inch line, about 5 foot into the cut. The cant is (was) beautiful with no knots, just blue stain. I removed the blade and put my last 1.25 inch blade on and cut it down to 6x6 for some other use yet to be determined. Only thing I could think was my guide was too far open.
Any other clues or suggestions?
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hugs, Brandi
had sap and dust accumulated on the blade?
Excessive blade guides opening could lead to a blade diving but if the blade was clean, my call is "less than sharp" blade and possibly blade guide vertical tilt alignment.
Looking at the log, my guess would be pitch build up. It seems to get me about every time things are going too well and I crank the feed up😁
No pitch buildup. The lubemizer does real well there. I am leaning to less than sharp, with Lynn.
Every now and then I get a bad chain saw chain bad from getting it sharpened. Guess it could be said for an older blade just back from Resharp.
The wide guide didn't help for sure. Anyway, that blade has left the building.
hugs, Brandi
I didn't measure it but I just used a ReSharp blade that felt flimsy when I uncoiled it. I sawed a couple hundred bf of Oak and at the first sign of knot wave, I pulled and junked it.
Quote from: Magicman on April 24, 2023, 05:43:50 PMI am off tomorrow so my next job depends upon the weather.
So much for depending upon the weather. He has not been able to get help so I'll saw a much smaller Oak & SYP job Friday and Saturday. That means that my one day off just became three. ;D
You deserve a couple xtra days off - enjoy. fishin-smiley
My current job seems to be hoodooed. The next time I go back I'm taking a bottle of holy water just in case. I returned this morning and the lumber from yesterday was still on the trailer which had not moved. Customer's truck died and his tractor was in the shop to be picked up.
I sawed a log or two and the customer went and got his tractor then my helper left me to go unload and stage the lumber. I talked with them and the customer decided to temporarily stage then stack when complete so he could put all the long lumber on the bottom. The customer left and the helper took over 2 hours being so meticulous it was unreal. I told him to please just stage them by length then come help off-bear. I had already sawed one big poplar from start to finish including staging the lumber on the side by side. Finally the customer came back and we got back on track but my hydraulics began to periodically fail. I checked and tightened the connection points, they would work for a cut or two then fail again. I finally called WM customer service to see if I was missing anything. They talked me through the same things I had checked and done, they'd work then fail after I hung up. Some were much more patient than others. Doug was the best. I did learn some new parts on my hydraulics like the little finger/switch on the inside of the hydraulics box. One tech was positive that was the problem (but it wasn't). We finally concluded it was the solenoid and ordered one (but it wasn't as the by-pass procedure was also intermittent). The current best guess is a sticking/worn brushes in the hydraulics motor. I ordered a new motor and will keep the solenoid as a spare as it is reasonable one will fail sometime. I'll probably try to replace the brushes if that looks to be the problem and have a spare motor on hand too.
I brought the mill home and will fix and verify it is working right on some stock lumber then resume this job when the weather and schedule permits and after I get my holy water. ::)
Cutting 8 foot 8x8s today. I charged into all cuts and at the first sign of a rampup entering the cut, I changed blades. It is so strange tearing into a cut, but reassuring hearing that "hitting the right speed zing" at the start of the cut.
Does Resharp have replacement blades now? I got a box of Resharp 1.5" Turbo 7s today and no replacement blades. I haven't been replacing 1.25" blades as I'm changing to 1.5", but I specially asked them for 1.5 replacements for this box.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on April 25, 2023, 04:45:56 PMHe has not been able to get help so I'll saw a much smaller Oak & SYP job Friday and Saturday.
According to the way things worked out I moved and set the sawmill up on this small ~20 log job this evening.
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Very good SYP logs that will all be sawn into 2X6's before we get to the Oak which will all be 1" for siding. We will begin sawing Friday morning and should easily finish Saturday.
I'll start the 10X10 & 12X12 White Oak job next week but it looks like there will be some weather interruptions.
Sun came out today and we got some pine and ash sawed sawed out. I think about 250 bd ft in total.
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Nice whack. I thinks I likes dat truck. ;D
Took the sawmill out of the barn a couple days ago and set it up. I sawed up a small white birch log yesterday as a test log to make sure the mill was running well. It was.
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It's not much but it's a start. My 2023 sawing season has begun!
Cutter
Quote from: cutterboy on April 28, 2023, 07:06:39 AM
Took the sawmill out of the barn a couple days ago and set it up. I sawed up a small white birch log yesterday as a test log to make sure the mill was running well. It was.
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It's not much but it's a start. My 2023 sawing season has begun!
Cutter
Beautiful.
I have not tallied yet but it looks like we sawed a couple thousand bf today.
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Red Oak 1" in the foreground and SYP framing lumber on the trailer.
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The SYP logs had about the tightest grain that I have ever seen, 1/8" and less.
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This old Warrier saluted me when I left the job this evening.
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The customer's free range pot belly pig was foraging in the front yard. He lives under the back porch and they only feed him once a week. He gets down on his elbows to eat.
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Those tushes are a full 2" long. :o
I'll go back tomorrow morning and saw two 8X8's and a couple of sticker logs. My next job begins Wednesday and I believe that it is only sawing 10X10's, etc. I sawed the 1" and framing lumber last year.
I found out this morning that Ole Bo has had his tushes cut back once so that is actually his second growth and if he sees that cutoff tool, he will run under the porch. Also, he loves beer.
After sawing six 8X8's and two logs into stickers, I finished this job this morning.
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Trailer loaded with framing lumber and stickers headed to the stacking shed. The total yield on this job was 3011bf plus the stickers that I do not scale nor charge for.
I'm off until Wednesday !!! 8)
These six 8x8x8s are ready for pickup.
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I charged into the cut and all is well. I kinda hit it slower than full speed and it made a ramp. So it is the speed going into the cut that can make rampup.
hugs, Brandi
Done a small cedar job yesterday 2316 bf total. One rare 20ft log as near perfectly straight as they come that yielded 2 4x8s and 2 1x8s with no knots
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I'm off til probably middle of next week also Lynn.
Nice looking whack of ERC Craig.
My customer is an "oil patch" guy that will get home Tuesday and we will saw Wednesday. Due to conflicts and weather we will probably only saw one day and then start back sawing on Monday of the next week. He will be off for two weeks so I'm sure that we will get him done. All White Oak timbers with maybe some side lumber.
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Starting this year's sawing with some cherry. I got two nice logs, two rough logs and three smaller curved pieces for live edged slabs. I had to saw between the showers yesterday but managed to saw up the three small ones, all 2" slabs.
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If they dry well I'll have some nice slabs to sell. If they don't I'll some very pretty firewood. ;)
Keep on sawing.....Cutter
I'm drooling over those 2 cherry logs
That's two of us. Cherry is probably my favorite wood, tough to find good stuff around here. Once it get any size the ants usually start in helping themselves. If the ants don't get it they are so crooked the smoke doesn't even go up straight when you burn them.
Nothing too special but I pushed my Woodland Mills HM130Max to not quite the limits of its capacity, and myself to my limits (had to call a neighbor for help turning the log).
This was a 14'+ white pine log that was 22" or so diameter. I made a whack of 1x16s. Logs like this make me yearn for hydraulics, especially for the log turner and sawhead up and down!
This was after I figured out I couldn't turn it myself. Went in the barn and found my old Peavey brand peavy for when the neighbor got there
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Here was the whack of 1x16s. Got a couple of 1x14s too.
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I called this one an "iced cookie" as it looks like frosting!
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alecs:
I'd a used a chain or a strap and the tractor hydraulics to turn that log.
GAB
Quote from: Magicman on April 29, 2023, 03:14:58 PMMy customer is an "oil patch" guy that will get home Tuesday and we will saw Wednesday.
Won't happen. He texted this morning telling me that he had been held over until Friday so the sawing will be Monday at best.
Wow, I gots a whole week off!! 8)
Sawed mostly untreated western red cedar power poles today. Here's the first whack.
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Nice runners, no? Took an excavator to place them. About 15" high.
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End game had several oak and ERC. Total 2066 bf at 40 cents/bf, in about 6-1/4 hr. Customers and Sawyer happy.
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Ps. Two turbo 7 silvertip blades used. No metal. I brought a box of carbides and expected to use them but there was no need.
Yes Sir Dennis. Very nice job. thumbs-up
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After replacing the motor on the hydraulic pump yesterday I went out and sawed this 5' white oak log as a test. Everything seemed to be working well and I notified my many times repeat customer 75 miles away to confirm Friday is still an option if he still wants to saw then. If we finish early I'll stop and resaw 4 chestnut beams on the way home for another customer.
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By my count I sawed 164 tomato stakes out of the White Oak log. I will likely only get about 12 dozen full length stakes because of knots and such. I'll get a few 4' stakes which will also sell.
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I set my table saw up to make arrowhead points and my jig is screwed down on the outdoor work bench. I built it to wrap 12 stakes at a time but my last customer wanted some packed 6 to a bundle so I add a short scrap 1X4 to convert it to a half dozen stacker. Both work well. I use the little hand held shrink wrap roller shown on the stakes on the trailer above.
Nothing real exciting here but it is good to get back to sawing after not sawing much since before the project until last week. After the nail laden cypress logs that some of you may have read about on another thread, we sawed some pine on shares Tuesday. I did not take any pics of that but the customer and his grandson were stacking and handling the slabs while JMoore (John) was bucking the logs to length and bringing them to the deck with the tractor. It felt like the logs were multiplying but it is amazing how much lumber one can saw when there is always a log ready to saw and the sawyer does not have to handle lumber, slabs or a chainsaw.
Yesterday evening we sawed some Monkey Pod logs that I picked the week of The Project. I was driving back from getting an x-ray in town and noticed the tree was down so I left a note. The tree guy called and I met him with a trailer in tow. His big skidsteer was down so I got the logs he was able to load after I cut them to a length he could handle. There are some larger ones there but evidently he has not gotten his big machine back and I have not seen him at the site since.
The logs were cracked up pretty bad and one just did not want to saw flat. We started on it with a Kasco 1.5" 7° that has sawn a few cypress logs. After two wavy cuts, we changed to new 1.5", .055 silvertip 7/39 and sawed a whack of pine. It too cut the monkey pod with a wave. After the first log, it sawed the other two nice and flat. Some of these logs had so much tension that they split the entire length as they were being sawn. Regardless, these will sell if we can dry them relatively flat.
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<All of the new growth occurred in the past few weeks since the tree was cut down.
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that is neat. I had an elm that was a log with no growth on the outside of the log. it sat a few months, and with no roots, it grew some leaves and small branches on the top exposed to sun. prob. the epicormic growth centers and the sugar stored in the sap, and sun exposure. with no roots, if there was no sugar stored, it would not be able to make new leaves. like a dead battery!
I loaded up the tools and hooked up the mill for a mobile job 70 miles away tomorrow then finished pointing and wrapping my tomato stakes into bundles today. I had 14 dozen stakes. 1.5 dozen were 4' long due to knots and breaking and the rest were 5' long. I did a bounce test by rapping each suspect stake hard on the ground. Bad ones broke at the knots but many just bounced back and seem to be okay. I till the customer to immediately replace any that break and I'll replace them. I leave them a few extra in case.
My customer tomorrow has ne saw timbers and has the logs laid out and color coded with different paint on the end of the logs and give me a code sheet at the start of sawing. I've sawed for him about 1-2 days per year for the last 4 years. His first log was a big cherry he brought here and that panned out well so now I go to him. I love repeat customers.
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Made a mess with some white pine today. Clean up tomorrow. Got all the framing for a 8x12 chicken coop in there. Plus some more.
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I sawed up my two nice cherry logs. Wednesday I sawed the butt log and was a bit disappointed with the lumber. I was expecting/hoping for some clear boards but didn't get any.
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The lumber was ok but not great. The 2nd log was much the same.
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I called a regular customer who showed some interest in the logs the last time he was here and he came right up this afternoon. He bought all of the lumber from those two logs plus another 40bf from the two top logs. :laugh: I almost never sell green lumber but he didn't want anybody else to grab it.
I didn't think the lumber was all that good but I guess he did.
This customer has a business making and selling wooden spoons. He sells hundreds of them. He can work around the defects to cut blanks for his spoons. He likes cherry, white birch and red maple.
So anyway it all worked out very well.
Keep on sawing.....Cutter
I would consider that a fun day with a sorta unexpected ending $$. :)
I drove 70 miles to a repeat customer to saw some framing lumber for him. We sawed Ash, maple locust, and one stray elm. Mostly the widths were 7.25" to match dimensional 2X8's. I sawed some 3.5" X 13" stair treads. I sawed some assorted sizes of 8/4 framing from the side lumber.
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This customer is very well organized and color codes his logs and presented me with this legend before I sawed the first log.
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Here are some of the logs.
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There were a few to be resawed after they split or warped. A couple were not worth sawing and were discarded.
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Side lumber and other 8/4 boards
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Framing and stair treads. Total yield 1614 bf. Paid and a bonus. I love repeat customers. Customer and his helper are more like friends than business associates.
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The end use - this timber frame barn. It started as an equipment shed till the customer's wife realized it was better suited to become a line dance venue so you can guess what it is becoming. ;)
I did have one big maple that really taxed the limit of my new hydraulics motor. First time I ever had a log it did not immediately lift. It did but it took a while.
Looking good Howard, nice lumber whack. :)
I had a nice thank you note from the customer on my e-mil this morning and even one picture of me cutting a good sized maple into stair treads or 4X4x. I never get pictures of me as I am always sawing or taking the pictures.
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I got here and my daughter and grandkids showed up a few minutes later so I guess the plan today is to go look for Bigfoot. We are more likely to find some box turtles and maybe a fawn if we are real lucky. I know where there are some baby bluebirds and a pair of baby Carolina wrens I know they can see. It should be a real good weekend.
Must be at the end of the day because the sawmill is dragging you along. :D
In fact, it was one of the last logs. I was probably chasing it yelling "Wait for me!"
Or hanging on as it tried to drag you over the tire... :D
I think Stephen nailed it. I was probably leaning forward and stretching than walking around the tire. ;)
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I moved to this White Oak job this morning after the rain cleared. There are 12 logs ranging from 32' to 36' and 26" to 34" butts. All of the tops are 18"+.
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We spent some time measuring and identifying which logs were more suitable for which size posts.
The cut list is for twelve 12' X 12" X 12", thirty 10' X 10" X 10" with all of the side lumber a full 2" X whatever it will make. He has enough logs to saw the 12X12's and 16 of the 10X10's so he will have to bring in 5-6 more logs.
We will not be able to begin sawing until after lunch tomorrow but no matter, we will just keep plugging along until we finish. ;D
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I sawed a little this evening, just finally got the mill serviced and ready to go for the year. I had a good office view, and who doesn't need a 10 ft 6x6 Mulberry post.
Looking good Nebraska!!!
Ohh that sky - I will see it in a few weeks!!
Nothing happened with my sawing today. The customer had a hydraulic line to pop with the first log this afternoon. The replacement is expected by 10:30 in the morning so maybe we can saw tomorrow afternoon, pending the weather. Just the way it sometime goes.
Just a half rotten maple.
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Spalting, color, curl, and voids. The widest slabs were 30". The only thing wrong with this log is it didn't belong to me. I may dream about this girl for a long time.
I bought a group of cedar logs and one log that was listed as walnut, but I figured it was cherry from the photo and it was. Theres a bunch of nice cedar and the cherry is not huge, but it is solid and is about 12" at one end and 14" at other and 21' long. I went and picked up what I could with the flatbed today. That's the first load of logs on the truck and it did well. That was just what I could load by hand. One pic is what I loaded and the other is what's still there for another day and perhaps a tractor involved.
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Before - 7:30 am. 54 miles from home. Already set the mill up to resume sawing on this customer's order.
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After - 7:so pm. We should easily finish these tomorrow.
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Oh - and this one too. A 12' red oak that flipped off the back and we did not have MHE to move it at the time.
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All cut into 4/4 X 6" or 4" boards. We did not do a tally yet but estimate 1400-1500 bf today. That trailer is no doubt overloaded but It made it the 50 yards to the current location. I'm thinking the whole job including from last week will be around 4K bf. We will see.
In that first photo, back on the knoll by the tree in the fog I think you have a Big Foot on film. ;D
Nice looking lumber Howard, but oh man, that poor trailer. It looks like the fender is right down on the tire. Oh, and how did that log end up on the ground behind the mill? ??? :D
Very nice job and sawing Howard. 8)
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Oh - and this one too. A 12' red oak that flipped off the back and we did not have MHE to move it at the time.
Ya know, I would have turned the mill 180 degrees and snatched that puppy up and kept it on the QT. Anyone that has sawn long enough has done it. Only difference is you documented it!
Now then, nice looking lumber. But that poor trailer............
hugs, Brandi
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The customer took this picture of me sawing along on his White Oak.
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This is a sample of what I am sawing; 10X10's, 12X12's, and 2"X whatever side lumber. No count but I am about half way done and have sawn over 3Mbf in about 1½ days. We keep getting shut down by the rain.
Yesterday he bought his wife a new MS271 for Mother's Day ::) and...
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This morning he let a 33' X 26" butt White Oak log roll over it. :o Less than 24 hours old.
dadgum you, Charlie! A rather large bouquet may be in order.
MM:
the photo of you - a seasoned veteran hard at work.
photo of the csaw - a brain fart that might've happened to any of us.
Yep, a bouquet and a brew may be in order.
Magic, that is a great picture of you...total concentration as the sawdust flies.
That's a shame about the chainsaw. Never mind the flowers, he better get her another saw.
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I have been sawing white pine the last few days
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I finished the pine today. These were the last logs I cut last winter. Time to cut some more trees.
Keep on sawing.....Cutter
Yes, the sawdust was flying and I was having to use my driving glasses because the side piece lost it's screw on my wraparound safety glasses. I could tell the difference.
I always keep a spare pair in my truck but I suppose I failed to replace them last time. Anyway I had a spare at home and just ordered two more pairs. Amber with a 1.50 bifocal. That plus I was able to find a screw and put these back into service.
I also retired that N-95 mask at noon today. :)
Looking good cutter. thumbs-up
CB & Brandi,
Do we really have to talk about the red oak log resting in that soft bed of sawdust? :D You may notice it has a good bit of flare for its size which protocol dictates use of the rear toeboard. As a word of caution you should lower the toeboard before using the claw to turn the log and if you accidentally hit the lower toggle on the side supports and while the rear toeboard is up, bad things can happen - at least that is what I have heard. I can]t say for sure. Since the customer had his little tractor on site this morning it was a simple task to wrap a 6' 1/4" chain I keep for use with my Magic Hook around the log and pull it to the front of the mill. It was the first log sawed today.
I finished that job today but neglected to take a final picture. Total tally for the job was 4125 bf for about 3 days of sawing spaced in between breakdowns. The customer came by as we were sawing the last log and signed a blank check and offered it to me to fill in the amount after the tally. I had him give it to the helper and we completed it after the tally. He has another, larger job coming once he gets the tree length logs bucked and staged.
Oops - hit the post vs picture button.
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I made a 10 mile side trip to a many times repeat customer to resaw these 4 Chestnut logs for him. I just raised the mill off the ball, dropped the landing gear and sawed the first log then on the last cut my mill head went on strike and would not raise. The up/down switch had been real sensitive and would stick sometimes so I checked the connection then replaced the switch with one I bought a couple weeks ago. Only 3 wires to replace so real easy - except it did not fix the problem. My customer grabbed his volt meter and checked and it seems we were getting good power to all 3 points so I had to leave the mill and will call WM tomorrow and see if they have a fist or at least a work around to raise the had so I can load and bring it home. It died at the rear of the mill lowered all the way down.
Well Howard,
I would throw a log off the side of my mill if I was handed a blank check too.
hugs, Brandi
Howard, with a mill like yours with all the hydraulics and fancy turner and stuff it is easy to throw a log off the mill. Now, my mill is manual which means all the power comes from me so I would never lose a log off the back of my mill.
Nope, never!
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ooops.
CB,
The advantage of having a fancier mill with all the hydraulics and electrical assists is you can make mistakes faster and more impressive to on-lookers.
(Kind of like having 4 wheel drive on your truck just allows you to get stuck in more inaccessible places. :D)
Lynn,
That crushed Stihl is painful to see, new no less...
I'm always cautious where I leave my Huskys as that can happen so easy.
Are you sure his Wife didn't send the log over it so she didn't have to use the saw? :D
I guess we can deduce that new chainsaws and White oak logs and kind of like new blades finding metal in a log. ::)
I bet that is not covered under warranty. :( Is it worth making a claim on your Inland Marine insurance policy?
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some fresh and some older mulberry.
I milled four logs earlier in the day.
any idea what this is?
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"Sand art" using layered sawdust is my guess. ???
Purdy..... :)
from the bottom. old walnut, mulberry, fresh walnut, ERC, fresh mulberry, and old mulberry.
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9"x3/4"x16' hemlock is what we were slicing today.
The Stihl shop is also my UPS blade dropoff point so I was able to talk to the man this evening. The saw will run but not idle, but he has not gotten deep enough into it yet to determine why. ? He is hoping that it is not a cracked crank case or etc.
I continued to hum along until the rain stopped us this afternoon.
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My customer bringing me another log with his "loader". He has four more tree length logs not bucked yet but I have no idea what he wants to do Monday. He leaves and goes back to the "oil patch" Tuesday so he may not want to work all day Monday. ??
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Six more 10' & 12' logs. I sawed the top one on the left and the top one on the right is......
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Loaded and ready for Monday morning. My three tailgunners in the background.
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He took this picture of me sitting on the back of the operator's seat so I could see over the log. This is my normal when sawing ~24"+ logs so I can see the blade guide.
I did tally what I have sawn in 4 partial days this week. 5180bf
I'll be mill'in bug bit ponderosa later this week if the weather ever clears off. Brought in this stand'in dead blue stain day before yesterday that I've let dry down for the last 4 years. Still 6" of snow over in the timber patch--- hope its gone in a week or so--- that way I'll only have to fight the mud for a bit.
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It's good to see you gettin' some logs out Dave. Be sure to post some pictures of the lumber. ;D
I got out late afternoon and brought back 4 more WO 5' logs from my neighbor. She had the tree cut last Fall and it has taken me this long to cut them to length and remove them from where they fell across the creek. The lady just wanted them gone. I'll make money cutting and sell tomato stakes from them but she got a good deal getting the stuff cut and moved for free. I have one more maple log down in the weeds I left log length but I think I'll just drag it out of the brush and cut it for firewood. I don't have much market for maple. I just got my tractor back from the shop Monday. The service and filter change fixed the lift issues with the hydraulics. They spotted and fixed a couple of cracks in the welds. It is running best now I remember.
I ordered a new up/down switch and some other stock parts from WM in Atlanta. They were the first ones I got hold of who had them. The switch should be here Tuesday. I sure hope that is the problem. I now know the up/down and forward/reverse drum switches are not the same. ::)
Did you test the solenoid for it?
Both of my drum switches are the original 1998, but I have replaced the forward solenoid.
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Both of my drum switches are the original 1998, but I have replaced the forward solenoid.
Amazing, On My old 93 I never had a problem with the drum switch, yet this new mill has gone thru both sides and now I have both spares in my tool bin.
Howard, Disconnect the two motor leads from wherever they they are connected then using a jump pac or other 12 volt source you should be able to raise or lower your head just by reversing the positive and negative leads.
This way you are totally isolated electrically from the rest of your mill for protection. This will also tell if the motor is the problem. about as easy and simple as it gets. Jack
Jack,
Since the up/down motor is directly over the battery I don't see why I could not just use the mill battery to do as you describe above. In fact WM suggested that as a work around of the switch does not fix the problem.
BTW - where is the solenoid? I did not see one in the panel box or on the diagram in the manual.
I believe they are in the console panel box on my '97 LT40. The 2 for my hydraulics (Super) are in the Hydraulic compartment.
Howard, I own a norwood lm29 that I added my own head and carriage motors. I have never worked on the woodmizers so I don't know the layout, therefore I suggested what I did mainly as a safe way to bypass your system to avoid sending any stray voltage back to the rest of your mill. Yes by all means use your battery but be careful as you are flip flopping your + and -
I know your client and you checked out your voltage but remember your ground is switching also and in this case its not your frame. its dedicated to the motor controls. Just trying to help Jack
Had some trees downed last month from a tornado. Got a few of them out of the woods and ready for the mill.
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Got out the mill and put the extension on it. Need 22' stuff for the shed extension.
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Also got the 6"x9""x22' beams done today. Solo, manual mill. I'll get a bd ft count tomorrow. :)
Bd ft total yesterday was 747.43 on the Boardwalk.
Quote from: barbender on May 13, 2023, 06:36:14 PMThe 2 for my hydraulics (Super) are in the Hydraulic compartment.
Of course the hydraulic solenoids are only for the hydraulics. They are not to be confused with the power feed solenoid which is in the control box.
Then I wonder what they call it because the word "solenoid" does not appear in my manual for the control panel or the up/down assembly.
I see H-bridges and a capacitor and such but no "Switch, solenoid" or similar term.
I have no idea about the LT35 controls but my LT40 has SOL3 & SOL3 for the power feed forward and reverse, and SOL4 & SOL5 for the up and down. Not to be overlooked is the SOL1 which is much smaller and is the accessory solenoid. Hardly nothing will work if/when the SOL1 fails. I have had to replace the SOL1 but not any of the others.
No SOL anything in my manual around the control panel or battery box or up/down system.
The only Solenoids I see on the electrical drawing go to the Hydraulics and debarker and none there in the panel.
Anybody out there with an LT35 who can find it and let me know please do and include the page and part number from the operators manual if you can.
As a token of my appreciation I will send you a free bag of sawdust. (It is handy of oil spills, composting toilets and works great as a rest for sighting in your deer rifle and probably your crossbow although I have not tried that yet ;)) or a bag of Bigfoot hair, whichever you prefer.
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Howard I see no solenoids that involve your headlift
I see two breakers 50 amp for the motor cb4 and a 10 amp cb2 for the debarker then on to the drum switch that then goes to your simple set. I'm suspicious of cb2 might be tripped.
Excellent wiring diagram that tells the whole story except you will have to locate the breakers
Relay maybe? It would have to be in the electrical diagram where the motor leads are attached, with some abbreviation for it in that diagram, and probably listed on another page with other components by this abbreviation together with a more complete description and part number.
In the diagram its what is called a setworks bridge. 12 volts + and - are fed in from cb4 and 12 volts + or - are fed out or - or + are fed out depending on direction to the lift motor.
I guess the bridge could be called a RELAY as its job is to send 12 volts to the lift motor either rotation
The bridge is fed the proper direction from the setworks from the drum switch
Again as far as I can tell from the diagram power to the drum switch to the setworks module comes from cb2 and I call that control voltage.
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Load of Hemlock and a couple Maple.
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Some Maple
Jack,
One of the breakers tripped when the head went to the bottom and would not rise. I re-set the breaker and it sounded like the down function was trying to work but not the up function so I assumed a finger on the drum switch was not working.
Both breakers were in the re-set position when I left the mill.
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It had a slight amount of tension, I turned it, think it will dry O.K.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 14, 2023, 03:50:32 PM
Jack,
One of the breakers tripped when the head went to the bottom and would not rise. I re-set the breaker and it sounded like the down function was trying to work but not the up function so I assumed a finger on the drum switch was not working.
Both breakers were in the re-set position when I left the mill.
I would check for the up down voltages at the motor. If you do not have it, try to run the motor off a battery. If the motor is not bad, work back from there. If memory serves me I have read about a few of these motors going bad. A solenoid or relay is a remote switch ,do the came thing, you apply voltage (or sometimes ground) with a small amperage,it energizes and connects the heavy load with the internal contacts or "switch". They do not all look like a conventional solenoid but do the same thing,allowing a small switch to run a higher amperage load. They may be called solenoid in the diagram but be in the circuit panel.
Obviously one needs to be looking at the proper wiring schematic for a particular model sawmill before doing any troubleshooting. The LT35 and the LT40 are completely different.
There are no similarities whatsoever. :P
Howard do you remember which breaker was tripped The 10 or the 50?
Te only real load on the 10 amp is the debarker arm in and out, could that have hungup or failed?
MM, I believe I'm looking at the lt 35 Diagram. Please correct me if I.m wrong
I would say that you are correct. :P
IIRC it was the breaker on the left side. It is staying re-set now.
and the final verdict is it working? and which breaker the 10 or 50?
The mill is 35 miles away. The replacement switch is somewhere between Atlanta and here and is due to arrive Tuesday. Depending on what time it gets here I may drive over and install it and go from there. If it arrives late in the afternoon I will go Wednesday morning so I can still call WM from the site if the switch is not the fix. More to come.
Golly Howard if you think its the switch you can jump from terminal 2 to terminal 4 to raise the head and from 2 to 1 to lower If its easy to get to thats a simple diagnosis.
The issue could be the simple set bridge as that has the contacts that make and break every time you move the head and if on the down set and they arced enough to weld themselves closed the head would keep running
Again if all else just jump direct to the motor to get the head up so you can get the mill home.
Just to be a smart a-- spin the motor pulley by hand to raise the head!! might be a lot of revolutions tho. If the pully had a nut holding it on a socket on a battery drill would work.
Agree - WM told me how to by-pass the up/down Friday when I called them. As mentioned above if the new switch does not fix the problem that is the fall back plan. I am not going to drive th 35 miles just to move the mill back here to fix it then return to finish re-sawing 3 more chestnut beams for the customer. My goal is to finish the job I started with the least time and mileage involved.
Fortunately it is a very nice, many times repeat customer who is very understanding and accommodating.
And the customer has a Sasquatch that lives there.
If I had known he had a sasquatch living there we could have gotten his Bigfoot to just lift the saw head and rolled it back to the travel point and brought it home. ::)
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Luckily I noticed the clothes line hook as I was putting the Maple log on the mill...
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Made some nice Splated 5/4 x 10" boards.
I finished this White Oak 10X10 & 12X12 post job with side lumber today.
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7236bf of posts and lumber. He still needs 12 more 10X10's so his help will fall 6 more trees. This is an "oil patch" guy so it will be June before I go back.
FF Member Beavertooth came and visited/helped this morning and most of the afternoon. It was nice having someone that knew exactly what I was going to do next.
I have a small job that I will try to get this week.
My neighbor cut this sugar maple down 2 years ago and didn't understand why I wanted it yesterday
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Sawed a little "nuisance" ERC job this morning.
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All 1X6's. Some was very good and some was very not good. ::)
That usually sums up cedar pretty well🤷
An ERC is next on tap for me to saw but the customer is having a bit of difficulty getting tailgunner help. It will not be next week for sure so maybe the next.
There is one other that might get ready but there again.....might not.
I am thinking that after school is out the the Senior Trips over, customers can find help.
No sawing in WV for me. :(
I went over and put the new Up/Down switch on and the down portion works but not the up. Bob talked me through reversing the poles on the motor of the the down switch raised the motor so I could move the head and hydraulics to the travel position. Of course I had to reverse them back to lower the head then. I'm going to make me a couple of jumper wires with alligator clips to make that easier in the future and for other testing needs. Anyway the mill is home right now.
We determined/concluded/guess/hope it is the H-Bridge to the SimpleSet and I ordered another one of them and it is in process now. I will see how hard that is to replace and if that fixes the problem later this or more likely next week.
After getting rid of my backlog my plan to slow down a bit is finally taking shape. I am excited about getting a break from the action. My objective is no more than 2-3 jobs every 3-4 weeks.
I have 5 jobs on the book with no one actually ready. A year ago there was 12-15 jobs on the book with 2-3 ready and waiting.
Lost about an hour this morning customer didn't have logs arranged, he called a neighbor with a tractor to come move them while I waited. Tractor guy was none too happy. Then wanted 2x full width out of 2 25" x 8 ft maples, after first narrow one I pulled them forward and showed him how to get them off the mill without picking up both ends. Took about 4-1/2 hr overall on site to do three logs but I made a good minimum it being an hour from home.
There was a silent protest at McD on the way there I think it was over McNuggets on the menu.
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Now that is funny no matter who you are. :D
Today it was white pine bar tops slabs. 36 in wide, 2 in thick, and 16 ft long. Maxed out the 36 in wide mill.
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We went to a great job yesterday, brought my helper/organizer, the customer had a Skidsteer and a helper. Great location, all pine logs from his house build. I was afraid the logs were going to be full of weevil but they were okay. I missed getting the early pictures of the yard we were set up in.
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Just fit, in fact I had to push and pull this to fit as the I sawed it.
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Cut a small ash that was dead in my yard. Has a few nice boards.
Then picked this Cherry with a sweep in it to cut gunstock blanks. My brother in law builds flintlock rifles and pistols. I leveled it to cut parallel to the bark and cut these near the center above and below the pith so they are the closest to quarter sawn. The closest to quarter sawn provides equal grain on each side.Many stock builders like crotch figure, these Cherry's have a little bit if you can work around the knots. Gunstock blanks are interesting, something I would like to learn more about. Yellow Hammer's videos have given me an education in attempting to cut decent hardwood.
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Cut a couple small Hemlocks into 1X6 for a friend, started cutting the clapboard siding to finish the planer shed. We have had a long run of beautiful weather here in the Catskills.
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I didn't saw much this morning from these 4 pecker poles from one SYP tree that fell during a recent storm. 2X4's & 2X6's. Didn't get paid much because I didn't charge much. ::)
Sometimes I will do stuff like this simply because I can. :)
The ERC last Wednesday was another example and tomorrow's sawing will be another. Just getting rid of some stuff and making a few previous customers happy. ;D
Sometimes its good to keep folks happy Linn.
I started in on bug bit ponderosa this afternoon in between rain storms. 23 logs to go---
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Looking good Dave.
I did not think that this one was going to be much, but it is OK.
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The SYP that will be sawn into 2X4's & 2X6's next week after I finish the Poplar and Cherry.
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Cherry and Tulip Poplar.
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Some of the Poplar was OK. ;D
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I did not get any pictures of the Cherry, but this is some of the Poplar. I sawed 1014bf today and will return tomorrow for my last day this week.
That rainbow poplar is sweet.
I had a customer bring some sweet gum to saw today. We milled it all 8/4. I was actually a little disappointed in the color. Previous sweet gum that I have milled has had a lot of color. This was mostly white with some color as you got real close to the pith.
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I only had about 10 logs to saw before finishing the Poplar.
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It was a smallish log but I did find a bit more Rainbow.
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Sawed 581bf this morning and done by noon.
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I'll go back Tuesday and begin sawing the 22 SYP logs which will all be framing lumber.
I guess that folks are waking up because I got 2 more calls this morning. 10 on the Book now, crap. :-X
After replacing the H-bridge on my mill I needed to run a test log or to so I bucked a stock poplar log to 8' and 10'. I have a 3' butt cut-off at a sharp curve I may mill into stickers or a bunch of short 2X4s.
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I sawed them into 4/4 boards for stock for my use or sale (Anything I have in stock is available for sale if a customer comes by and wants it :D).
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A couple hundred bf of 4/4 boards. I called my last customer and he brought a rollback over with 3 more chestnut beams to resaw into 3/4" boards for paneling.
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The second log turned out to be poplar. It also had 2 nails about 2" from the end on the final face he missed so he bought me a new blade. He wife also told him to bring back another dozen tomato stakes as seen on the left on this picture. She had already bought 2 dozen. This is the customer where my mill broke down last week so I was glad to finish with him for now and these are the last chestnut beams he had to saw. I had one scare with the mill stopped moving forward or up and down and I thought either the new H-bridge or Switch had failed. Turned out it was just a tripped breaker. I never found what got it bound up to make it trip so I sawed another log after the customer left. No more problems.
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I decided to saw a few more tomato stakes out of a 5' white oak "log" I had in stock. Jake did a better job ripping the 38' cypress than I did on this 5' log. ::)
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I still got 63 5' long stakes and 11 4' stakes out of that section of the log and the other piece has over 2/3 of the log. It was too heavy to lift with my little FEL. All told a little over 500 bf sawed today.
I stacked and stickered the poplar, put points on the stakes and shrink wrapped them into bundles of a dozen and planed a 1X6 and 1X8 dry poplar board for crates and left that for tomorrow.
FFOTS, if you can let Sweet Gum sit for 6 months or more and the color will bleed into the sap wood quite a bit, it also helps to reduce stress and movement in the lumber.
Quote from: Southside on May 24, 2023, 10:18:18 PM
FFOTS, if you can let Sweet Gum sit for 6 months or more and the color will bleed into the sap wood quite a bit, it also helps to reduce stress and movement in the lumber.
Glad you mentioned this. A repeat customer dropped off 3 twelve foot Sweetgum logs yesterday. What other advice do Y'all suggest for sawing Sweetgum? I have never sawn it.
hugs, Brandi
What is their intended use? Quarter sawing it doesn't improve the appearance, but it helps with movement.
Quote from: Southside on May 24, 2023, 10:32:40 PM
What is their intended use? Quarter sawing it doesn't improve the appearance, but it helps with movement.
He hasn't told me the use or the sizes. It won't be quarter sawn. I won't be cutting them until next week or two.
hugs, Brandi
Well if it's green, and flat sawn, I hope he is making airplane propellors, because there is a good chance that's what he will end up with.
I've been sawing 16' red oak trailer decking. Every time I saw long oak, I swear I won't do it again! Our hardwood quality up here just doesn't lend itself to getting long lumber without major defects. It seems I end up sawing at least double the board footage, to make my cut list. Plus, I smashed my finger with a 2x 16' oak flitch. Had to walk away from the project for the day🤬😁
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Quote from: Southside on May 24, 2023, 11:41:02 PM
Well if it's green, and flat sawn, I hope he is making airplane propellors, because there is a good chance that's what he will end up with.
I told him I have never cut Sweetgum, but he had to add lots of weights or ratchet strap the heck out of it.
hugs, Brandi
Be careful around the pith, when it dries it will really fall apart, you want to box it into a beam or something.
Quote from: Bindian on May 24, 2023, 10:29:30 PMA repeat customer dropped off 3 twelve foot Sweetgum logs yesterday.
You did not mention the diameter. ?? It does not need to be flat sawn, but vertical grain sawn.
I would take the center ~3-4 cuts out, rotate 90° and again take the ~3-4 center cuts out. I would then "flip-flop" quarter saw the 4 remaining corner pieces. Yes, this will give you various widths when edged but they will stand the best chance of remaining relatively flat when dried.
This is the method that I would use on any spiral grain species, even Sycamore or Beech when I was looking for lumber rather than ray fleck.
Quote from: Magicman on May 25, 2023, 07:56:01 AM
Quote from: Bindian on May 24, 2023, 10:29:30 PMA repeat customer dropped off 3 twelve foot Sweetgum logs yesterday.
You did not mention the diameter. ?? It does not need to be flat sawn, but vertical grain sawn.
I would take the center ~3-4 cuts out, rotate 90° and again take the ~3-4 center cuts out. I would then "flip-flop" quarter saw the 4 remaining corner pieces. Yes, this will give you various widths when edged but they will stand the best chance of remaining relatively flat when dried.
This is the method that I would use on any spiral grain species, even Sycamore or Beech when I was looking for lumber rather than ray fleck.
They are about 12-15 inches in diameter.
hugs, Brandi
Oh my, that does not give you many options for anything. Advise him what is gonna happen, saw it like the customer wants, bind it down with ratchet straps as he said, and move on to the next job.
They would make 8X8 pith centered posts/timbers that were not going to have any weather or ground exposure and no side lumber.
I doubt that he will ever deliver Sweetgum logs again.
I am with MM here, I don't think you can over emphasise the likelihood that he will be dissatisfied with the majority of the lumber if you saw this into anything other than a big post or beam, whatever you do don't try to get two posts out of it.
No lumber that I know of. I should have mentioned he (and his friends) are always making lots of woodworking projects.
hugs, Brandi
We got through a 64" oak full of metal today. 4 blades added on the customers bill on that one. One of the largest headaches in a while. Plus ~1600bf of 5/4 cherry.
Trying to make the most of this perfect weather before the real heat comes.
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good hobby woodworkers can make something out of almost anything.
Bindian, after all the SG warnings you might ask your customer if ovals will be of use to him. (Do a search on Ff). If he is a woodworker it might work.
If have had luck sawing 9" dia logs live edge 2.5" thick for benches. Still air drying after 2years and they are still straight.
I had a 42" cut-off poplar butt I decided to saw into short 2X4s. I can use them for saw horse legs or when building composting toilets as I use a lot of 40" framing in them.
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I had cut it off because of sweep.
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If it was longer and I needed quartersawed limber it would have been a good candidate with the off center pith. An 18" log but the pith center was 5.5" from one side.
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It made 19 2X4s and 2- 2X2 strips which I also use. Better than cutting it into firewood and it only took a few minutes to do. ;)
I'm loaded up and going to a mobile job 25 miles away tomorrow.
Is it just the picture or did you end up with some Rainbow 2x4's out of that?
Yes, I had a number of rainbow 2X4s. (Not that that helps in anything I will use them for. :D)
Well if you put them in your composting toilet build you could advertise them as Rainbow Toilets! Think of the extra market you could sell to
At least there will be a "pot" of gold at the "end". :D
You guys are dancing around political issues here so be careful. With my luck my customers will be color blind and sue for unfair pricing of items for which they cannot get extra benefits to justify the price incrase.
I can say my composting toilets are the original gender neutral establishments. :D
But don't confuse me with rainbow toilets. I am already considering separating and taking out my quartersawn WO tomato stakes and selling them for higher prices.
What pray tell is a quartersawn tomato stake? Turn them all 90 degrees and double the price!!! :D
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I cut these short aspen logs from a tree that blew down last winter. They are all going to be turned into kindling. Aspen makes great kindling.
I slab them heavy. Just four cuts to get a reasonably clean cant. I don't want any flitches.
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Then saw it all into one inch boards.
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Then put the boards back on the mill up on end.
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Then saw those boards into one inch strips.
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Now those 1x1s get stored in the barn for a rainy day when I'll cut them into 9" lengths and stack them to dry or fill a mesh bag and hang that up to dry.
Keep on sawing.....Cutter
CB,
That is how I make my stickers and tomato stakes. Except with tomato stakes I either start with a 5' log or a 10' log then saw the stakes in half at an angle with a circular saw to put a 45 degree angle point on one side.
All,
I feel like I'm on Hew Haw singing "If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all".
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I drove over to my many times repeat customer and sometimes log provider/partner 26 miles away to saw for him. He is building a cabin and needs framing and porch decking. His helper was a no show so we started on these 6' logs for porch decking and 2X6 framing. The decking was 5/4 and 6 or 8 inches wide. Not long logs but they saw quick and easy and he is a very good helper so we were moving right along for about 3 hours and 300-400 bf when my mill went on strike. No forward and reverse. No tripped breaker, new drum switch with 30 hours on it so couldn't be that so I decided with probably the lower CFB. I brought the mill home and called WM customer support to double check and see if there were any warnings. (Note: The last time I replaced the lower CFB I dumped the whole head. Not an experience I want to repeat!). With their help I confirmed the CFB was still rolling okay. Decided must be the motor but with jumper cables I found it worked so not that. Had to be that power feed unit in the control panel. They referred me to WM electrical but over an hour wait. Because of recent delays in shipping and the holiday weekend I called WM NC. They did not have the part so I called WM GA and talked to Justin. He talked me through basic electrical starting at the switch and breakers and then started on the drum switch, which I knew was good - till I saw that loose finger on the bottom middle. We concluded the switch was bad and I'd probably fried the power feed module. I had bought a spare drum switch so that was a quick change out and as I finished WM Indy electrical returned my call and I attached the last finger and hooked the battery back up and we found the Power Feed Module was working fine and the new drum switch fixed the problem so I am back in operation for tomorrow. I called WM Ga and ordered another back up drum switch to keep as a spare. I will contact WM next Tuesday and see if there is any warranty on the defective switch..
I called my customer and he is looking for another helper and we will resume tomorrow. With decent help and weather and no more breakdowns we may actually finish his job tomorrow.
I pulled the mill into the barn to do it's 500 hour mx. Between the flooding we have had and a (ongoing) family emergency, I have only sawn a hand full of beams for a repeat customer in the last 6 weeks or so. 18 foot 3.5x8 beams.
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The 2x10s are for me.
hugs, Brandi
those look great. sorry family stuff is getting in the way.
Thanks Doc. It is a difficult time. My Daughter is back in the hospital, again. I am keeping my 9 year old Grand daughter and am torn between working outside and spending time with her.
When I do find time to work outside, I keep thinking of my daughter and can't focus on my work at all.
Take breakfast for instance. I was gonna make toast and I opened the refrigerator looking for bread, instead of the pantry door.
hugs, Brandi
I'm sorry to hear of tough times, Brandi! Praying for things to get better❤️
Quote from: barbender on May 27, 2023, 02:22:44 PM
I'm sorry to hear of tough times, Brandi! Praying for things to get better❤️
Thanks BB!
hugs, Brandi
Brandi, we have your back here on the FF, and your heart when you are hurting.
The logs will still be there in the yard so you can be there with your family.
That's one of the signs of good people, they put Family First.
It sounds like you're the sun in that family solar system- stay bright and stay strong.
You and you mill can always relax together at a later date.
FF=family first and forestry forum. Good people here.
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on May 26, 2023, 06:39:32 PM
What pray tell is a quartersawn tomato stake? Turn them all 90 degrees and double the price!!! :D
As we all know when doing normal through and through sawing we end up sawing a certain amount of lumber where the boards are sawed at 90 degrees to the grain which by definition is quartersawn. In the case of some wood like my White Oak tomato stakes the fleck shows up real good. If I sort through them I could pick out the ones with the pretty fleck showing but I doubt they would sell for enough more to justify the effort. ::)
segmental bowls like my buddy @Jim Thomas (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51700)
I Returned to my job 26 miles away. This time the customer had a mediocre helper but better than yesterday. We had a nice, cool, breezy and cloudy day to work. Sawed 1776 bf of red oak including the 3 hours or so yesterday before my breakdown. All was good today!
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35 2X8 X 10'
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6' 5/4 boards, 10' 5/4 boards and 10' 2X6's
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Pretty neat slab pile compared to some I have seen.
Many times repeat customer and sometimes log provider/partner on lumber deals. Has worked well for both of us. I met him as a result of a sawing demo I did for our local USDA/Forestry department 4 years ago.
I was grabbing stickers one time and realized that my edger operator had run a bunch of smallish Walnut through the edger and turned it into stickers :o, we had a class on how the rules for pine are not the same as the rules for Walnut after that, I will say they were good looking stickers. ::)
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Not much for help as he likes laying in the shade and supervising best. We did manage to knock out about 400 board foot of quarter sawn white oak.
Larry,
Your helper kind of reminds me of the one I had yesterday. ::) I finally had to tell him to remove the slab laying on the bed of the mill so I could make my next cut. He had watched it as I had already made a couple passes but I finally got low enough I could not clear it any more.
Our thoughts are with you Brandi.
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My best repeat customer dropped off a couple of white ash logs he got for free from a "yard tree" a friend of a friend was taking down. The first log actually looked like a log and sawed up nice, the second...well, not so much. ::)
I did buck some off the end off that had 3 different "trunks" (more like limbs) coming out of it. :D
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Luckily no nails inside, but had to change blades when it started cutting waves. Did make some kind of funky looking slabs with real nice color coming fresh off the mill. :)
Thanks guys. It is always tough on all of us when her meds need to be adjusted. This time she couldn't do it by herself. Thus the hospital.
hugs, Brandi
I'm on a fair size job sawing a timber frame barn out of the gentleman's logs. He has cleared some lowlands and pulled all the Tamarac and pine. He had a Sawyer in last year and the gentleman quite on him. I told I know why..... Tamarac...You can't put enough pine sol and dove in the water bottle to saw it. I got out the spray bottle of diesel and that helped .
We were there for 2 days last week and I'm guessing another 2 days this week to Finnish.
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This ia about 1/2 the logs left. I will move the mill when I get there tomorrow morning .
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The tarps are covering the wood he sawed last year. I have told him not to cover the wood I sawing. I'm afraid to look underneath. At least the ends are open.
The black flies showed up on day 2 . it's hot enough now that they should all be gone when I get there tomorrow.
These pictures are somewhat out of order but I got to play with this huge, hollow walnut today. My apologies for the tease but I'll have some samples of wet cookies (circles?) to post tomorrow.
For reference, the cuts are at 3"
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Two days sawing two different helpers stacking. Good weekend.
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We do not have much if any naturally occurring poplar so I only get to saw it about every 10 years.
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Today was the day. As I sawed it my first thoughts were how can anybody charge to saw this stuff? :D ;D :D It cuts so easy, almost zero marks from the blade, no lube required, and lots of different colors. It wasn't the good rainbow stuff, but still had lots of yellow, white, green, and browns.
My customer was a guy in his 80's building a new smaller house. He will be using the wood to trim the inside.
Neat looking stuff Larry. Haven't cut any yet myself, so far cherry is my favorite to cut.
This customer is finished but not the location.
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2192bf of SYP framing lumber sawed today added to the 1598bf previously sawn is 3790bf for the job.
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This customer standing on the left and the "new" customers seated. They are 70 year old identical twins that will never be sure that they are who they are. ?? When they were babies they could not be identified from each other so they wore bracelets so the family would know which was which. Well the grandmother was bathing them and removed the bracelets and then later did not know which bracelet went on which twin. So even now, they do not know it they are me or he. ::)
I will be sawing Pecan timbers for one of them next week (that is two 4X8's on the trailer) and then ERC for the previous customer's brother but all at this same location.
I am off for the rest of the week while they stack lumber and then fall, buck, and haul the Pecan logs.
While we were eating our lunch the customer's wife serenaded us with her dulcimer. Here is a short clip:
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Wow Magic! That is something you would never expect at a sawing job.
There's an old-timey instrument you don't see much. That dulcimer does make a pretty sound. smiley_thumbsup
finished the Barn Timber Frame job in 90F +++ heat. The customer ran out of logs and will drop more trees and call me later in the summer. It will be enough to keep him busy for a month or 2.
I don't really know how you southern boys do it when it so hot.
Stephen1, couldn't agree with you more. Got home after work last night and just needed to saw up another 150bf of white oak to finish up a pac. 91 degrees and the buffalo gnats were terrible when I got home, just couldn't find the P&V to do it so I worked in the cooler shop instead. My hat's off to you southerners to be able to consistently produce in the heat smiley_clapping .
Just finished a local job for a neighbor. He actually has his own small mill but he said he has barely used it so he wanted to watch me mill to learn. Most of the logs were also too big for his mill. We sawed about a dozen red oak logs averaging 26" diameter, all 16' long. 10 hrs total. Sawed mostly 4/4 he plans to use for trim in his barndominium he is building. Also a few slabs. I didn't tally the bf because I was charging by the hour, and was dying of heat, so I just wanted to pack up and head out asap.
I also wanted to note that I recently bought some WM turbo 747 blades and they sure cut nice compared to the 10 deg Silvertips I had been using. Super straight but still need to see how they do in pine.
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I'm with you: 90 and humid wears me out. Personally, if I'm standing still in the sun and sweating it's well above too hot for me...
FPP: I like the 747's also. They work well in pine but like all will begin to dive in large knots as they dull with too much feed rate.
It was dang hot out today🥵 We just go from winter to summer anymore.
We are forecast for the 90°+ for next week and probably for the rest of the Summer and actual Summer is still 19 days away.
School is out, customers have help, and are now calling trying to schedule. I have already had to tell two that it will be July. June is booked up.
Ya, the other day I was thinking about how it seems nobody asks me to saw when it's in the 50s and 60s, but then also realized that the last few springs in MN, that would have only been within a 1 week window. No spring anymore, we go straight from winter to summer.
Yeah spring is 1 week anymore, and I hate it. I really dislike hot weather, I think I need to find new hobbies that don't include sweating. Maybe buy a jet ski or something🤔😊
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Ya, the other day I was thinking about how it seems nobody asks me to saw when it's in the 50s and 60s, but then also realized that the last few springs in MN, that would have only been within a 1 week window. No spring anymore, we go straight from winter to summer.
We have always had 4 seasons down here in Texas....Winter, Pre Summer, Summer, and Post Summer. The secret is do everything in the shade. smiley_clapping
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Stephen1 on May 31, 2023, 08:10:44 AMI don't really know how you southern boys do it when it so hot.
Sooner or later I will make it into the A/C.
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Nothing special just some Cottonwood 2x6's, just a little whack, but I did get some sawing in. I've got another 12ft Cottonwood log on the mill now, just started it then I got called out so I'm done for now... The sawmiller is low on gas anyway. :)
Sawing spalted maple rescue logs and these interesting patterns showed up.
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What does it look like to you?
The sawmill version of the Rorshach ink blot test. :D
freudian knot...
I finished this job and then sawed the "customary" ERC logs. It seems that 'bout everyone has a stash of ERC out behind the barn.
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Mostly junky ERC timbers/posts.
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Mostly junky ERC lumber.
I sawed Poplar, Red & White Oak, Pecan, and the ERC for a total of 6047bf.
My plan is to be off for the rest of the week and spend a bit of "Cabin" time. :)
Quote from: APope on June 05, 2023, 05:43:32 PM
freudian knot...
I had to look that one up.
"Freudian Knot The Contradictions of Racialized Masculinity in Chester Himes' If He Hollers Let Him Go"
It got far to deep far to fast for this country boy. :D :D :D :D
A Baboon face
Quote from: Magicman on June 05, 2023, 06:11:07 PMplan is to be off for the rest of the week and spend a bit of "Cabin" time. :)
Sounds like the perfect plan to me.
Larry, an angry horse.
Its a cuttlefish swimming rapidly away from a predator or in pursuit of its prey.
Today 2560 bf in 9.5 hr overall time on site, with customer on a skid steer and his buddy helping, mostly 1-1/4" x random width maple and oak. He's going to use it for concrete forms. 3 blades hit metal. 1 hr drive from home.
Logs were mostly not very straight and 12-25" diameter x 8-16 ft. Lots of pushing them around in the dirt.
I set up away from his log pile and skidsteer brought logs over several at a time. Logs needed front end trimmed and some cut in half, they did that once they got their chain saw running.
30 minutes in, customer broke both clamp-on forks. He had a friend tree service drop off a strange looking scoop that went on front of bobcat and was able to pick up waste and finished boards. Says now he knows what I want and maybe we can do 4000 bf next week.
Today was 30 miles from home, new customer. Logs in 2 places.
7:30-noon, setup plus 1260 BF of mostly red oak, some 2" live edge, 6 6x6's, and 1-1/8 random width for flooring.
Moved the sawmill to second spot, 45 minutes. Then had lunch, leftover Italian something from yesterday.
About 1:15-4:30, another 700 bf of 1-1/8 RW ash for flooring, and packing up.
Charged for about 1920 board feet and 0.8 hr hourly for the sawmill move, plus mileage, 4 blades hit metal, and sales tax.
Very pleasant customer and helper, a good day.
We have Canadian wildfire haze here, but it is better than breathing sawdust. Hoping it rains.
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r>More siding today.
Today was a good day, but it didn't start out so good. Customer had logs at four different places. I was pulling in to the first place, and felt some resistance, put the truck in four-wheel-drive, but it just didn't help at all. This is what I saw when I got out to look.
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The Woodmizer was up to the axle in a hole that was at least 5 feet deep. Problem was we didn't have any boards that were long enough to span the 3 foot long by 2 foot wide cave that opened up under the tire. However, we did have some cedar logs. After some work with the rear idle side jack, and two other jacks, I got the tire raised up high enough to get a makeshift raft under it, made of three cedar poles ratchet strapped together. Tom Hanks would have been proud and escaped his island earlier if he had these. A 3 foot 2 x 12 on top of these for insurance, then lowered the sawmill onto this bridge, and drove out. .
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Here is a picture of the hole with a bucket load of rocks dropped in it.
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By the time I got the sawmill moved to the driveway, as I did not feel adventurous enough to pursue other areas on this lawn, it was 9 o'clock, an hour and a half after I first arrived.
Things went very well after that. We sawed up sassafras, white cedar, and red cedar, a fragrant total of about 1450 board feet and I drove out at 3 PM. I decided that the misadventure at the start of the day was not the customers fault and did not add anything to the invoice for it. It was a beautiful day, the Canadian smog was gone, and I got to work mostly in the shade. I also got a nice tip.
TT,
Now that is different. Glad you you got out with no apparent damage to your mill, truck or by-standers.
I started out with an 8:00 am appointment 55 mils away for a repeat customer.
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You can barely see the tree length logs scattered in the tall grass. They were mostly hemlock with a couple of cherry logs topped off with a big 16' red oak. I worried the oak might overload my recently replace hydraulic motor but it just dug in raised it slowly and steadily. We were sawing dimensional lumber with the customer choosing 1-3/4" for the thickness. Only 2X6 and 2X4 and the rest as true 1" boards. I mostly saw full thickness so this was a mental challenge to add the different fractions for the kerf. I bill my 1.75 X 3.5 and 1.75 X 5.5 boards as that actual thickness. I had the customer bucking logs and dragging them with his tractor and 4-5 helpers all the time and they were all good so there was almost no wasted/lost time. We sawed 2200 bf by mid afternoon. The last 2 times I sawed for this customer we finished in the dark. In fact last time when I thought we were almost done I heard a chainsaw crank and rev and a tree fall and he brought several more longs. ::) :D It was good to see him and his team again. :)
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This big Red Oak looked rock solid till I got inside and we lost 6-7 2X6s which is always disappointing to the customer who worked hard to cut and buck and load the log and to me to saw it. I charge on actual yield and not for the waste especially in cases like this where there was no indication ahead of time.
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The lumber was stacked on assorted trailers and hay wagons the customer, a big local farmer, had available. The trees all blew down in a big wind storm several months ago.
It was a very good day with no problems with the mill. I did remove the little aluminum guard rail the slides in and out on the arm as the plastic keeper broke on my last just and I have not fabricated or bought a replacement part yet. I need to do that this week I guess.
By chance is @Jeff (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1) in your area with his backhoe TT? He may be digging stealth holes at night. ;D
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on June 10, 2023, 05:50:23 PMhe Woodmizer was up to the axle in a hole that was at least 5 feet deep
Weird, but we would have "Tomos" like that open up at the old farm. The underlying ground was old sand/mud stone with a layer of later (but still old) compacted volcanic ash of varying depths. You would get springs coming out of the hillsides, and flowing down unseen between the layers, eventually appearing down in the bottom of the gully. All fine until one got eroded enough to fall in, and make a hole like that.
One time we had a couple of calves missing, couldn't see them anyplace in the paddock. Only found them by chance when walking by checking random spots and heard them calling from a tiny hole. Had to basically "birth" them out of the hole with a rope. Another one we found when the G/F wanted a small pen made behind the house for her horses. We had a large excavator there doing other track work, so the easy solution was to have him drive some solid pointed posts into the ground. No problem, until he puts the bucket on one, it goes about a foot into the ground, then basically dropped almost out of sight. "Ahh, lets not put the pen here". Fished the post out with the thumb and we went to plan B. The hillside above and below the spot collapsed over time, but the driveway to the house (and the road below must have been compacted enough that there was no problem there.
terrifictimbersllc
Suspect the hole could be an old septic tank or cistern, or the "tomos" as Ian suggests.
BT,
Maybe this is where the old outhouse used to be that TT found. At least the customer has a good place to dump the sawdust. :D
Jeepers Dennis, that sucks! I think I would have been madder than a wet hen. You are a better man than me and that was a nice elegant solution to get you out. I think that property owner has some work to do finding that stuff and fixing it. The price you pay for nice sandy soil I guess. Glad there was no damage to the mill.
QuoteProblem was we didn't have any boards that were long enough to span the 3 foot long by 2 foot wide cave
You know it's a bad day when a sawmill falls into a hole in the earth, and does not have the right size boards to get out. :D
Glad you got out OK. smiley_thumbsup
Log availability has saved many a sawmill. :D :D :D
Thanks guys, I had no explanation to offer the customer yesterday now I do.
I was thinking of Magicman when I took the photos. Best photos are when things are bad.
I'm still trying to summarize my thoughts on the psychology of the moments yesterday.
How was it that your truck front tire, which weighs much more, didn't break through? That would have been a bit more difficult to recover from!
Probably a little more weight on that sawmill tire, it is about 2800 pounds, and smaller than the truck tire, which has about 2500 pounds on it. But the real reason is that I don't think the truck went over that hole. I had pulled forward to the left of that hole, and then was maneuvering the Sawmill further over to the passenger side of the truck by pulling forward and backing up, when it happened.
I also thought how bad it would have been if the truck had taken a nose dive into that hole.
Didn't realize the mill was that heavy. I thought they were about 2k total weight. I think you actually lucked out! I'd have a little pucker factor going when leaving at the end of the day driving out.
The 70 super wide has gvwr 6000 lb and actual weight about 5950 lb.
We had a similar hole open up at our place a couple of years ago. I believe it was part of an old well for the farm. I've been able to trace our place back to at least the early 1800's, but I've found various artifacts that could put it much older. I still stay in touch with the son of the previous owner who's in his 80's and he was clueless regarding it. They were there from 1939 to 1989, which is when we bought the place. The log deliveries would drive right over it. Fortunately he didn't find it.
The first board looked like a funny car.
A long nosed dragster.
The second some sort of amoeba.
About 15 years ago, we had a similar hole to open up between the barn and the house. I packed some of our compost in it, dug up a 4" White Oak tree out of the woods with a mini-excavator, and set it in the hole, putting more compost around it.
This is it today. It's probably 45 feet tall and about as healthy a tree as you see.
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Black walnut.
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(The full story I put in my "Chasing the Sawdust Dream" thread.) :)
Nice, I mean does it ever get old opening up a black walnut... OK, excluding the end of the day when it's 95 and humid.
Quote from: jpassardi on June 13, 2023, 11:29:06 AM
Nice, I mean does it ever get old opening up a black walnut... OK, excluding the end of the day when it's 95 and humid.
95 is a mild day here.
hugs, Brandi
Yesterday we were breaking one of our own rules. As I was pulling out of the scrap yard, dropping off 3K lbs. of metal that students have been practicing their welding on, my phone rang. It was a friend who is a big wheel/engineer at a local fabrication company. They ordered a bundle of 20' 2x8's (full thickness) that are too thick for their trailer deck application. He asked if we could resaw them. The scrap yard is only five minutes from this business, so I detoured and picked up the 60 2x8's. I explained that our mill only clamps the boards at one spot and that the thickness would be determined by the flatness of the boards and how they would rest on the deck.
Several boards began to raise up at the end of the cut as tension was released. We added a cement block on top of each board and the extra weight was enough to improve uniformity. These are pressure treated so we are collecting all of the sawdust and the offcuts to be sent back to the customer for disposal. We got 33 of them done last night and will finish the others on Friday.
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60 wet 2x8x20' are heavy. As I extended the boom towards the mill, the rear end of the telehandler got a little light. Normally, we don't mess with anything pressure treated or attempt to resaw anything, but we are trying to get our feet in the door with this customer. They have enough work that we could probably saw fulltime just to supply their dunnage needs. Neither of us want to saw all dunnage, all the time but that would be a good gig to get rid of lesser quality logs and to keep the money coming in.
A customer brought the biggest sassafras logs I've seen today. They were 18" and 19" diameter. I put a brand new blade on to mill them, because he said they were forest grown logs. Was making some pretty lumber until I hit a nail. That cost him the price of the blade. I put a different blade on and he dug out the rest of the nail. I then got out the metal detector and detected another nail. He asked me to cut a 3" slab hoping to miss that nail. That was successful. He took home a slab with a nail in it somewhere. I put the next log on and made a few cuts before I saw what I thought was another nail. It was a bullet and did not hurt the blade. Its amazing how light sassafras wood is.
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Forest grown heh?! :D Somebody must have been hunting with a nail gun. ;D We never get sassafras that big up here that I have ever seen. How does the wood look overall for making stuff?
A great job today with a local across the lake from. 4 RO logs that were 20+ inches. I did the easy third the log 1/4 sawn technic . Works great when I am portable as most of the wood comes out 4-8" wide and you do not need an edger.
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The lumber was really good for the most part. There were a few deep cracks that cause some slabs that would have been 18" wide to be not that great.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on June 15, 2023, 06:28:27 PM
How does the wood look overall for making stuff?
It has a similar grain pattern as red oak, but lighter in weight and more brown in color. Back 25 years ago it was about half the price of RO and used as substitute by some people.
I needed to dig up this White Oak
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, but was sure a limb could fall on my excavator and crunch the cab roof and me. I was really leery of digging it up intact.
So I asked a tree guy to come out and estimate. They were out this morning at 7am and were done topping the tree in 24 minutes
Before leaving, he asked if I bought ERC or Cypress. I never thought of Cypress being around here, but I knew in the past some swamps around Spring, backing up to the San Jacinto River about 30 miles south of here have Cypress.
My question today is..................how much do you buy Cypress for and how much a board foot do you charge to cut it?
hugs, Brandi
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r> Whittled down a Maple Crotch into some nice slabs.
Looking good. Sometime we take what the "log" gives us. ;D
We were in the woods hunting oak but this cucumbertree had the top pretty torn up and beginning to rot so we took it while we were there and got a couple of logs. The bark is different but loose like poplar now, other than that, look at the log and the wood, once sawn I can't separate it from tulip poplar.
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With that spiral grain I just blew through and made studs out of it.
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Don what's up with that middle log in the first photo? ;D Got a little barber chair going on there or did something else happen?
Quotecucumbertree had the top pretty torn up
Per Don, this might explain it.
Yeah, I thought that, but it don't look like the top log.
I've never milled cypress. I found a log I am going to buy that is 35' long and 28" at big end and 16" at small end. I am going to pay $250. Should be able to get about 550bf out of it. I believe the last time I bought cypress lumber I paid almost $4/bf for it. It's not a steal, but cypress is not common in this part of MO and I want to mill some. I will probably keep the lumber for myself.
Our cypress is a different species, (Macrocarpa) but it's lovely to saw and work with. Decent logs are worth paying a few $$ for. :)
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on June 16, 2023, 09:37:15 PM
Don what's up with that middle log in the first photo? ;D Got a little barber chair going on there or did something else happen?
Tom, the middle log in that pile is the bottom log of the cuke, it is fine you are seeing my partners felling notches. The white stuff showing up the side is bark from the front log (2n'd log up the tree), the bark slipped on it while I was forking it around. Just like a poplar right now, it about wants to squirt out of its bark.
Mainly someone showed a tree a few weeks ago that got no responses, so I've been putting the pics of the tree and wood up as I get one here and there. This was not a prime one :D
Ok. I see now and it makes sense. I guessed the right log order but didn't realize it was a bark sheet laying there until I zoomed in. This time of year the bark will nearly jump off the tree as it is falling. :D
I went to southern IL to get that big cypress log today. Since my F350 is going to the shop tomorrow for an engine issue and I didnt trust my flatbed to make the trip and tow my trailer(it has an engine issue too), I borrowed a friend's Dodge dually. That made the trip just fine. The log was very nice. It was 35' long, so I bucked it to 3 logs 8' and one almost 10'. I brought my log arch to load the logs and did load the butt log with it. After that, the seller said that his tractor would be able to load the smaller ones. That saved me a bunch of time and probably some kind of injury. I always skin a knuckle or something when loading logs with the arch. Now I am trying to decide what to mill out of the log. All cypress I have bought over the years has been 4/4, maybe some 5/4. I'm not sure I have much of a need for thicker boards. I think I am going to make it all into 4/4 and 5/4 in widths of 6" and 8". I may be inclined to mill wider boards like 12" knowing I can resaw later. That butt end is 28-30".
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Finally picked up my Cooks Edger yesterday in Alabama (ordered last October). Putting it to work soon.
I will take it on larger mobile jobs but likely used mostly at my location. I've never used an edger so I'm not sure about "work flow" yet.
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Congratulations on that sweet new edger. That'll be a fine addition I believe.
Jealous!
I certainly hope you enjoyed your brief stay in Alabama!
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Broke down another ugly hunk of Maple a friend cut in his yard. One nice slab and a bunch of 5/4 boards.
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Cut these little Maple slabs to name the trails at camp after our grand niece and nephews.
Cut a little bit of sheeting out of a couple poplars I've had laying on my deck awhile.Wore me out.That Covid took the sap out of me .
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some very nice Larch BC Canada
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Yes they are and those are beauties.
Welcome to the Forestry Forum !! 8)
Porti,
Those are some nice looking logs. How big is your shed. More photos would be appreciated. Also, welcome to FF.
hugs, Brandi
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This is a log from a big Maple that fell at my camp in the Adirondacks.It grew along the river and I have cut some smaller ones over the years. They have some great color and figure.
Quote from: Bindian on June 25, 2023, 05:49:49 PM. . . is your shed. More photos would be appreciated. Also, welcome to FF.
hugs, Brandi
@porti (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=54624) welcome and another request, sawmill shed photos, please.
A steel beam for header and flooring joists? for roof rafters set on 9"? centres.
Wow, you must have a lot of snow load factored into that design.
Nice larch logs, yes, but that shed; more details please!
Thank for the reply The shed is attached to an old barn built in 1913. The previous owner used the floor joists for his roof but it wasn't holding up. when I got the barn I lifted the existing roof up and put in steel beams and posts. I also installed engineered trusses to support the snow load. I have 30 feet between the posts and have a 30 foot bed on my mill.
Hello Bindian My shed is 28 feet wide by 70 feet long it is an excellent spot for my mill I can get my little Mahindra tractor in beside it which makes turning these big sticks much easier.
Porti,
What size I beam is above your log deck?
hugs, Brandi
I have been sawing framing lumber for a home package and a draft horse barn package.
Today I got to change it up a little with a big ash log.
Using a Woodmizer carbide band for the first time.
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That's a burly ash Bruno. I like the improvised clamping.
Bindian 8 inch wide flange
Quote from: porti on June 26, 2023, 10:52:29 PM
Bindian 8 inch wide flange
Thanks. Now, how many inches high is it? 10, 12 inches? Thickness?
Reason I ask, I have a 40 foot I beam 10 inches tall and 6 inches wide and 1/4 inch thick waiting for me at my local welding shop. But it is hiding behind lots of welding shop jobs waiting to ship out. If it works for your roof loads, it will work down here where we are more concerned with uplift than snow loads.
hugs, Brandi
Looking Good Bruno !!! Most of the time I have to lower my side supports about half way to allow those 36"+ logs to move over a bit. Laying a 2X4 alongside the lowered side supports adds a bit of insurance against bad things happening.
So far my "slowing down" strategy is working well with me passing off jobs to my sawing friend. That plus using Wood-Mizer's "Find a Sawyer" for those road trip jobs.
Sawing 1x12x16' form boards for a concrete contractor, out of really ugly pine logs. That's about all they're good for.
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1300 BF of walnut and hickory live edge for a customer. Saved the "best" one for last, a 35" butt hickory with a bonus... an eyebolt and 3 nails.
Logs from their parents house. I asked: did you have a clothesline or dog run and clothesline it was...
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I put together this little graph to illustrate the what I have found to be true with customer's logs-
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Barbender: Ah yes.. directly proportional. :D
I did warn him and he reimbursed for the blades as agreed
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Got some nice hickory and walnut and they were happy.
Pretty neat bark inclusions.
Barbender: are those Red Pine logs that you're milling into concrete form lumber?
Like, the very rare and sought after red pine that shows the highly valuable ' BlueJean' colour? 😁😁😁
Wow, your concrete guys are high Enders!
Yes Andries, nice denim red pine😁 It goes great with the beautiful clear white pine I've been sawing into pallet lumber. It all pays🤷
And if you can re-use some of those pine concrete form boards, after you wash them off you'll see they've taken on a unique blotchy orange color. ;D
Bruno of NH: Big ash loaded by Big Bob onto a big saw run by a big man ! ;D What did you slice and dice that one into? Too wet from rain to work outside here, how're things on your side of the mountain? All the best, Rob.
Had a few more welds break on the Hudson last week. Hopped on marketplace and found a Thomas 2413 about 1.5 hours away. Trailer package and no flex track. What a difference between the two mills. Really liking the dog setup, the blade changes, and working at waist height.
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The Hudson is going up for sale as soon as I get some steel welded up.
Your will like that mill
Congrats Rafterman. Looks like the boss (dog) likes it also...
Quote from: 78NHTFY on June 29, 2023, 09:23:41 AM
Bruno of NH: Big ash loaded by Big Bob onto a big saw run by a big man ! ;D What did you slice and dice that one into? Too wet from rain to work outside here, how're things on your side of the mountain? All the best, Rob.
Rob
:D
It had a seam in it
I sawed some nice book match 10/4 live edge on one side for table tops
The log belongs to Star Lake Farm
In town here
The rain is not much fun but better than snow :D
QuoteTrailer package and no flex track. What a difference between the two mills. Really liking the dog setup, the blade changes, and working at waist height.
With the manual mills I've owned, I've found the better the frame is supported, and the more level you can keep it, the better it will work. I also re-check level, and block it up as needed after a full day sawing.
Rafterman- Congratulations on your new Thomas Mill. I have always liked the looks of their mills. Especially after there redesign a few year's ago. I only wish they would include a few more bunks on the frame to provide more log support. There built in lap siding device looks like a great idea as well. I hope it serves you well. Good luck!
With the new mill we sawed about 700 board feet of pine (and one log dog :)). Happy the sun came out today.
Quote from: jpassardi on June 29, 2023, 11:04:26 AM
Congrats Rafterman. Looks like the boss (dog) likes it also...
She tolerates the activity we squeeze between walks, mealtimes and ball throwing haha.
All of you enjoy a good 4th of July weekend! I am Headed North.
Rich
The news said the high temperature here today was 91 degrees. My two digital thermometers were at 107 and 109 degrees around 4:40 p.m. We sold a load of cypress this morning and sawed a couple of knotty hickory logs into slabs this morning. After lunch, we got rid of some live oak, pecan and Australian pine slabs. We were planning on sawing some pine, but that will be on the agenda along with a little cypress for the morning.
We also put a load of hickory slabs and a few eucalyptus slabs into the solar kiln this morning.
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After looking at the picture of the slab, I see a hint to it's identity smiley_devil wood.
Enjoying the holiday today, I'm cookin' sausages hot off the grill, and stackin' walnut hot off the mill...
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Happy 4th of July! 8)
Sweet!
This oak took entirely too much time and we haven't really sawed it yet, but it is a nice tree. I forgot to take a pic of the top log but we did them all the same, we need a bunch of 1x12's to side an equipment shed. We centered a 12" cant and slabbed that out with the CSM. DB just left with the last of it headed over to the Lucas.
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There's that knot on the right. At the Lucas I'll start with this flat on the bunks and saw the knot edge square to the cant, then stand it up tall and spandex 1x12's down to the bunks. I hope to just get a few battens around the heart. The knot is at 9' so we should get useable for the short wall outside of that big limb.
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Then we measured and had to regroup, the smaller CSM wouldn't clear the butt log;
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The sun was drying it a little spotty there but it is one beautiful cant. Look at the narrow sapwood, I think it starved to death ???. Otherwise the rings through the last 50 years or so look like the tree was putting it on and doing good, the first years look to have been a fight for sunlight.
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Then I'll throw the slabs on the bunks, center them and rip to 12", flatten and saw to the bunks and hopefully we'll be flush. DB got stopped in the road yesterday. Another nearby farm has a barn in need of some TLC. Back to the woods :).
Oh, in the last foot or so with the little CSM the nose guard broke on one side and swung free, luckily on the side where the chain just knocked it out of the way. You can see the intact nose guard on the tailgate with the 6'er. They sit there and rattle when cutting and the break looks like it just fatigued. Anyway, if you have one its probably worth keeping and eye on it.
Don, you said you were going to "spandex it down to the bunks", can you describe that process?
It is pretty much @YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) 's drawing of what not to do on the end of that walnut log.
Here's a quick sketch of my CSM/Lucas spandex pattern ... by which I mean, I've pretty much committed myself to geometry rather than quality.
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The wide slabbing cuts we did with the csm. I'll stand up the center cant and take boards from top to bottom, whatever it gives. Then I'll rip the slabs to 12" wide and repeat.
Forgive me if I'm wrong but what you show isn't what yh was describing. He was showing I think what is commonly called a "board cut" that goes through the entire width of the log. (Not good) What you are showing, in my opinion makes perfect sense for a csm and achieves the same desired result of minimizing the severity of grain angle in any individual board.
Hey Bindian the beam is also 8 inch high. that's what "wide Flange" means same dimensions both ways. the beam is 1/4 inch thick. In this part of BC we have to build to a snow load of 60 lbs per sq/ft. I would imagine your beam will be sufficient for your application. I will try to get some pix for you!
Thanks!
hugs, Brandi
Wide Flange does not mean the flange width and the height are the same. Some sizes are but not all. You need accurate measurements to determine size. Sizes are W - wide flange, Nominal height in inches x weight per foot. Example, Porti's beam is probably a W8x31
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There are a few of the more common sizes in the beam calcs in the toolbox.
Sizing a Steel Beam (forestryforum.com) (https://forestryforum.com/members/donp/steelbeamclc.htm)
We sawed the upper 2 center cants today before we were ready to go look at an old barn. Sawing through and through is too wasteful. There was a small ant trail for 32' plus the oak heart. I made more battens and pallet stock than neccessary. This particular swingblade has a 6" depth of cut. I'll do this tomorrow.
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I'm back sawing. Wow, what a great feeling. After 3 weeks of the mill being in the barn................WOW...........I'm sawing!!!
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4x10s Sixteen feet for a very good repeat customer. Bless his heart, He has been waiting patiently.
hugs, Brandi
Thank Tom k You arte right the guy I got the beams from told me W8-31
This is one layer of 2 of the heart of the second log cant... maybe a batten on each edge or its just pallet.
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Here was the layout on the butt log cant. I decided to swing vertical and take 1x6's at the heart. As it turned out I think it was probably a wash but I did recover 2 FAS 1x6's this way.
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Then the slabs we had CSM'sd to make the cants. I recovered another 6 or 7 1x12's and left 2 slabs for something. That butt log was pretty sweet, 20 FAS totally clear 1x12's, a handful of clear 1x6 and a pair of slabs over 2' wide. You're looking at the mill through the swingset that we use to spin the sawhead. We track up the rails making a 6" cut in one direction, pick up and spin the carriage and then take the other 6" from that direction. It doubles the cut width fairly fast.
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I'm back sawing. Wow, what a great feeling. After 3 weeks of the mill being in the barn................WOW...........I'm sawing!!!
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4x10s Sixteen feet for a very good repeat customer. Bless his heart, He has been waiting patiently.
hugs, Brandi
I just noticed "my hero is Johnny Jett" He does seem like the nicest man. Love his art work.
John and I did not get much done today. This morning I drove the telehandler down to the pond on a steeper incline than is optimal due to some ducks making a nest under a canoe on the logical approach. I snagged the hickory log pretty easily but when trying to back out, the tires started spinning. I dumped the log and went to get the tractor to try to pull out the much larger machine before it was badly stuck. No dice. I did not want to use the boom to try to help push out due to the horror stories I've heard of on bending the boom.
Anyway, after a few minutes of filling in ruts, back and forth and readjusting the weight using the chassis tilt, I was able to get it out and use the tractor and the grapple to retrieve the log.
We sawed exactly one log today. The hickory, which had been soaking in the pond for a year, sawed flat and easy. Not as easy as cypress but about like fresh cut red oak. We took a few minutes to remove the the bark, almost 150 pounds of it, since it was packed with sand, and we were on the verge of being to wide to saw through and through.
John was in the water trying to lasso the log with a rope. If you look closely, you may see the 6' gator to the far right. A thunderstorm came up as we were beginning to saw so we went inside, and I made a pot of grits and reheated some fried pork chops. A fine meal for 9 a.m. We eventually got the log sawed.
Putting them in the pond will save them but DanG, it can be a hassle to retrieve them sometimes.
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Would it be worth geotextile and gravel to make a ramp in?
I was gonna say something about using the boom for self rescue... but being the guy that just repacked the boom cylinder I'll just sit on my hands :D.
Wait a second. A thunderstorm scared you off but a 6' gator didn't? If it were me that gator would have been breakfast. :D
Normally, it is a non-event getting in and out with logs, but the approach I took was too steep. We used to get chased up on docks by bigger gators when we were kids wade fishing in area lakes. This one's days are likely numbered. It is still a felony to kill them without a permit here still. I saw one dead on the road last week. There is no shortage of them. I caught a 5' one in my garage several years ago. He was hanging out under a Bronco.
I was curious if the telehandler had limited slip axles or not. I don't wonder anymore. A diff-lock would be advantageous. If we ever get all of the little things sorted out on this machine, it will be an amazing addition. As it is, it has been a game changer.
As many times you read about someone walking along a pond and being attacked and killed by these things it's insane to protect them like that. Our ancestors removed apex predators for a reason. They have their place, not saying to remove them from the map, but remove them from areas around people. From some of your posts I don't imagine you are in the middle of no where.
45 years ago, where we live was considered "the sticks". Things have grown up around us. We still see hogs, deer, turkeys and sometimes other critters even though it is much more urban than it was previously. Most of the neighbors have 10 acres. Years ago, my neighbor to the north had 7000 acres and the one across the road had 3500. Folks left the glaciated north and came here. It would be easy to get someone to come get this little gator, but I'd have to get with the fish and wildlife commission and a nuisance gator catcher would come get him.
When my oldest daughter was about three years old, one about 8' long sprang up out of the water after her when we were down by the bank of the pond. That was a bad choice.
Caveman,
What make and model telehandler do you have?
I think I finally got all the bugs out of mine, a Lull 644D-34.
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hugs, Brandi
It's a JBC 506C. The two biggest things we've been putting off is the alternator and repacking the steering cylinders. Hopefully the cylinders are the reason for the steering to get out of sync. It is operational as it is but it is aggravating to have to jockey the steering every minute or so.
This machine has enabled us to make bigger lumber packs and stack higher, move bigger logs, reach over logs to get logs. A week or so ago, we were sawing a log that we found quite a bit of metal in. We were able to reach over 10 or so other logs, grab the one off of the mill and get right back to sawing. It gets into about the same spots as my 70 hp Kubota tractor but lifts 3x more.
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We found some Sky Traks and a Ghel that were probably better than this one, but we did not pull the trigger on them. By the time this one came along the others that were comparable were $10K more.
A Lull like yours would have been high on our list as well.
I love it when I get a customer that has a "squirt boom" loader. They are game changers. 8)
I've heard gators work good for making fancy cowboy boots... ;D
Quote from: caveman on July 09, 2023, 06:27:56 AM
It's a JBC 506C. The two biggest things we've been putting off is the alternator and repacking the steering cylinders. Hopefully the cylinders are the reason for the steering to get out of sync. It is operational as it is but it is aggravating to have to jockey the steering every minute or so.
This machine has enabled us to make bigger lumber packs and stack higher, move bigger logs, reach over logs to get logs. A week or so ago, we were sawing a log that we found quite a bit of metal in. We were able to reach over 10 or so other logs, grab the one off of the mill and get right back to sawing. It gets into about the same spots as my 70 hp Kubota tractor but lifts 3x more.
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We found some Sky Traks and a Ghel that were probably better than this one, but we did not pull the trigger on them. By the time this one came along the others that were comparable were $10K more.
A Lull like yours would have been high on our list as well.
I have read in the past my Lull can get out of sync. But seems the JCB line has their own problems with steering sensors. Read about the fix here...JCB 505-22 Loadall 4 wheel steering won't sync | Heavy Equipment Forums (https://www.heavyequipmentforums.com/threads/jcb-505-22-loadall-4-wheel-steering-wont-sync.41639/)
There are a lot of threads out there about the problem on different websites. But I like to go to HEF, as it is mostly heavy equipment mechanics and operators talking about problems and the fix. Hope this helps!
What's the deal with the alternator?
hugs, Brandi
I took some time off and have not sawn since June 5th, but I am back in the saddle again.
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Some of you may recognize this sawing site by the Prentice loader. This is where I sawed the Cypress last year, but this time for the loader owner who is a logger. I quit counting logs when I went over 200. I saw Poplar, Ash, Walnut, Black Willow, & ERC and there are probably some other species hiding among those logs.
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We have a very nice setup with the Prentice handling the logs and the JD hauling the slabs & lumber off.
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Another view. I have 4 tailgunners plus the JD operator. They are all logging hands and very quickly adapted to doing what has to be done.
Rain shut us down this afternoon but we will be back at 6:30 tomorrow morning. PatD and I have appointments Thursday and Friday but I am still hoping to be able to finish this by the end of next week.
Thank you for the tip, Bindian
QuoteI quit counting logs when I went over 200.
:o :o :o
Lynn:
You wrote: "PatD and I have appointments Thursday and Friday but I am still hoping to be able to finish this by the end of next week."
Thursday, friday, saturday & sunday gives them time to add more to the pile.
GAB
Last winter snow and ice took the tops off of quite a few Red Pines on my property so finally got around to sawing them up. Most were 8-12" diameter so nothing to get excited about. Sawed 1x and 2x sizes and a few 4x4 posts.
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A fair amount I just left the wane on as I will just use it for braces on firewood skids. Funny thing though was that because I was sawing pine this time of year, I fully expected it to immediately mold and stain. Maybe because I left it sit in direct sunlight all day??? The humidity has been lower than normal for this time of year so I'm sure that helped.
Looking Good Tom. 8)
You are correct Gerald about the customer bringing more logs in. My goal is the end of next week, but I have been sawing long enough to expect the unexpected.
I am not really anxious to start the job after this one, but I ain't saying where it is or what it is sawing yet. I will only say that if I saw it, Luke will be with me.
More sawing today but again stopped by a heavy thunderstorm.
In addition to the normal, I sawed Magnolia, Sourwood, and Tupelo Gum today.
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Sourwood. Yes I hit a rock and dinged the blade which got replaced when I finished this log.
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While I was eating lunch this guy showed up but it got none of my sammich.
That is beautiful, I've never seen the inside of one. They are in full bloom here.
Yeah, it'd have to be a lot bigger to entice me to share.
We started the morning over here cleaning up and loading the by catch of the oak domino, there were 3 more oak logs. A couple of 12' x 12" red oak logs and a mis bucked short 8'er, it'll get used. It was small enough for me to spin the swingblade inside the rails and work both sides so we didn't have to fuss with the CSM, just load and go. On this mill 32" and up starts to eat time if I want wider than 6" lumber. This was in the 20's.
I started by taking several layers flatways from the top, opening with a 1x6 and at 3" above heart I got a 1x6, a 1x12 and a sticker. Then at about 3" above heart I signalled to drop 6" and began taking 1x6's vertically, a 3x6 at the heart that I flopped down for 2@3x3's then finished that layer taking vertical 1x6's, we're on a sharpening break here;
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Then on the bottom side of heart I started taking boards flatways again, look at the right side, we have just edged and taken a flat 6" deep cut, spun the head, DB has marked up the far end and I'm getting ready to go in flat and take a 1x6 and 1x12.
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I've got plenty of good timber here but we need to get over to our little boundary, we haven't been in this year. Our last trip we crushed the culvert. It's about time to get off our wallets and get back in.
Ya ever gotten a job that you felt you had no business doing? I started one today where the client has about 60 R O logs. 18"- 24" diameter, 12-16' long. I told him before we started that my saw wasn't the fastest in the world, but he was ok with it. Today we sawed 16 logs in 8 1/2 hrs which for me was good. He had 2 grandsons to offload and he loaded logs with a skid steer. I've never had such good help. I expect to be there 2 more days this week as well as a few more next week. It w
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as a good day. I must mention that the stacks that are stickered were already there and not what we sawed today.
I much better favor those jobs that I can finish in a "few days" rather than those "few weeks" jobs. That one looks good. :)
@Don P (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17)
Nice to see a lucas mill humming away. Can you post a pic or 2 of your sawshed
Cheers
I put some bald cypress on the mill this morning before it got too hot. I put a fan up behing me for the first time. That was nice to have. I will be doing that more often. I really like milling cypress. I just have to keep my eye on the dust chute. I didn't notice when the dust stopped coming out until I noticed it coming out by the drive shaft. Stopped sawing and found that the enclosure around the drive wheel was packed full. Last time that happened I broke a band. The stringy cypress bark had blocked up the chute.
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I sawed more Poplar, Ash, Sourwood, and Magnolia today and added one additional species:
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A 26" butt Box Elder. There are two more logs in the pile somewhere.
AWSOME pictures magicman
I've sawed Boxelder only once and it had some red streaks but nothing as much as that!
Quote from: Magicman on July 12, 2023, 09:51:03 PMA 26" butt Box Elder. There are two more logs in the pile somewhere.
Happy Birthday, @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) !!!
Congratulations Mr. Magic Man on the big 8-0!! smiley_beertoast
Thank You Steve, Jeremy, and others for the Happy Birthday Wishes.
I am truly Blessed to reach this Birthday Milestone and also doing so still being able to work and crack logs open. How much longer will not be my decision. ?? My Lord keeps track of that stuff.
I am also Blessed to have this Family of Forestry Forum Friends. Thank You Guys. :)
Quote from: Magicman on July 14, 2023, 07:55:04 AM
Thank You Steve, Jeremy, and others for the Happy Birthday Wishes.
I am truly Blessed to reach this Birthday Milestone and also doing so still being able to work and crack logs open. How much longer will not be my decision. ?? My Lord keeps track of that stuff.
I am also Blessed to have this Family of Forestry Forum Friends. Thank You Guys. :)
Congratulations on reaching the milestone that Pete from bear swamp called 70-10.
Oh, you are welcome and thanks.
GAB
Happy Birthday!
Im only 59 and sometimes its hard to get out of bed in the morning with aches and pains. Its getting hard to put my socks on!
I only hope I'm in as good of shape as you when I'm 80.
You must be livin right!
Why 82th Happy Birthday, Lynn.
I love reading your posts and looking at the photos of all the exotic places you visit in your sawing adventures. ;D
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on July 14, 2023, 12:14:33 PM
Happy Birthday!
Im only 59 and sometimes its hard to get out of bed in the morning with aches and pains. Its getting hard to put my socks on!
I only hope I'm in as good of shape as you when I'm 80.
You must be livin right!
Amen to that! Happy Bday Lynn. Much respect to you for still getting after it. running-doggy
Happy Birthday MM!
Happy birthday MM, Wishing you all the best and enjoying your milling posts.
Keep on keepin' on!
Happy birthday, Magic!!
Happy Birthday Lynn!
You are the man!
The Magic Man... 8)
Happy Birthday Pop's ;D
At 80, doing the jobs you do, they ought to call you a Boss. Happy birthday, my friend. I admire your resourcefulness and tenaciousness. It is hot out there for a young man right now and you are still getting it done. I hope you and Miss Pat have many more healthy years together. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience here.
Day late but happy bday MM. On paper we were the same age for 11 days. ;D
Wow guys, Thank You for the well wishes and kind words. We gathered last night for:
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Catfish and Birthday Cake. They also presented me with:
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These 80 things that they love about their Pop. It was a very nice and memorable evening with the Loving Family.
MM said at the party "Yesterday I couldn't even spell Octogenarian. Now I are one."
Many happy returns. Great looking bunch there. I still think you can spare Luke to send to WV to marry up with my GD and be my tailgunner. I'll even learn him to catch catfish. :D
Happy Birthday!!!!
Magic Man, very heartwarming to see the family there to honor POP.
#80: sawdust in his pockets. You know Lynn, Luke will always remember you that way.
Wishing the very best to you and family.
Happy Birthday Magic Man! Great pictures of the family . Sorry I'm a little late, haven't been on the FF for a few days as I have my son and his new family here visiting.
Quote from: chep on July 12, 2023, 02:26:23 PM
@Don P (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17)
Nice to see a lucas mill humming away. Can you post a pic or 2 of your sawshed
Cheers
@chep (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=8183)
This is at my partners, the lucas is his. That's it at the left end. The center is the planer sitting crossways and the tool room for everything there. We should have raised the roof but that is the kiln on the right, that was an air drying shed. More wood storage is in the big barn that we are trying to get back.
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I sawed two fairly nice Cherry logs this morning before...
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Starting with these 14 mostly 16' Walnut logs. Not really good logs but.
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Here is about 30 or so 8' & 16' Walnut logs on the other side of the loader.
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I have not scaled any of the lumber seen rough stacked here before being transported to the shed. I should finish the Walnut this week and then I suppose that I will start on the ERC next week. I see at least two more weeks of sawing before I get to the framing lumber.
A few of those highly valuable black walnut must have been alright to get wide 16' boards? Or were they not great boards even and you were just doing the "saws em and leaves em" based on customer request?
Some cherry here too, un buried couple logs before they go bad, cut from skidder damaged tree that lost 8ft of butt log to ants but still made a couple clear 8' 1x10s on the better log, nice stuff for me since I saw mostly rejects unless it is somebody else's. Pretended to know what I was doing sawing them and wife said later "I know, you made me watch a whole video" (YH 😂) add them to a pallet and move along for now.
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The customer bucked the logs according to the log defects, etc. and his 1"X12" yield is holding fairly strong. There are more 1X8's & 1X10's which is understandable. There will be many more 1X12's in the 8' logs.
He is building a Cabin but I have no idea what any of the different lumber species will be used for but it's all interior use. It's his dime. ;D
A few years ago I sawed Walnut that was used for flooring.
We just wrapped up 3500 bd ft for a guy in town. All white pine that had been down for a year at least. Some good stuff some not so great. The dog kept stealing stickers while we were stacking.
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He looks ready for more😂
More 8 foot 4x4s for my welding shop customer.
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hugs, Brandi
Been away for awhile, belated Happy Birthday MM!
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11 more Walnut logs to saw Monday before we start on:
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These cutoffs left over when he bucked the logs to length. What a (Very Valuable) mess!! ::)
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These are all 8' X various widths.
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More pictures of the 4912bf of Walnut sawed.
So far I have sawed 9198bf total on the job and I see at least two more weeks.
Due to the heat we have stopped sawing mid afternoon twice and at noon twice.
A friend needed some replacement slabs around the firepit. The slab scaffold planks I left behind 12 years ago have finally rotted, poplar and tree of heaven, who would have thought. This had a nice wide spot at a crotch on the right end I wanted to get so it took a bit of finagling to get chocked parallel. I was not level with the ladder, which is one easy way to set up for a csm first cut. I needed to make sure I didn't introduce twist as I snugged it down. I used an old carpenters trick, winding sticks. You can see them on the ladder near each end.
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Go to the end and line the sticks up with your eye. They are longer than the workpiece is wide so they magnify the error.
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Keep lowering your eye back and forth as you bring the view into plane, this can be as accurate as you want to be. I look at how the light winks out as the sticks plane in. We're good enough for a firepit!
I use this when setting up the rails and end frames on the Lucas. I guess its also sort of running in the background whenever I'm in visible framing, my eye is lining up studs, joists, rafters, etc, looking for wind, we pick up on pattern or something "off". If you are walking through a frame and a light gap winks out with a twist, your eye picks it up. I've lined up sticks on the circle mill tracks and sighted in to quickly see if a rail has sagged somewhere. There's many uses of this simple idea.
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Red Oak.
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Had a customer bring some red oak logs for me to saw, and as part of the deal he gave me some "extra" logs too. Just for fun, I took one of the short cut off logs and tried doing the RRQS technique. (As explained in Yellowhammer's "Reverse Roll Quarter Sawing" thread). True to form, just about every board cut had some degree of medullary rays. :)
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I got these home this morning, but it will be a while before I get them cut. These are awfully expensive free logs.
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I have finished sawing the Walnut and am back to sawing about 40 misc hardwood logs before we get to the ERC;
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This is a 32" Tulip Poplar from which we sawed a 12"X18" timber plus side lumber. There will also be some 10"X10" timbers. Seen here with two very good high school tailgunners.
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And then I noticed that my customer ran over my sawmill spare with his 450 JD Dozer. Thankfully he only got the tire and not the rim. The tire was just that....a spare.
Nothing like some young strong help around the mill.
True. Welcome back Home to the FF Jack. 8)
MM,
I know you charge for blades hitting metal. But, do you charge for metal hitting rubber ? 😉
I thought you stored your spare under the tongue with the fenders.
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No it's stored usually kinda behind my truck, with the sawmill covers on it during the day. I roll it to the sawmill and prop it against the fenders at night and on the weekend, but I forgot this time. This happened Saturday when the customer was bored and cleaning up. I seriously doubt that he knew he did it and I ain't telling.
EDIT: The spare and covers are also seen in the first picture in Reply #860 above.
My fender corral keeps me from colliding with the hitch and also provides a place for my ATF squirt/spray bottle.
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Friend dropped off these two pines. Took three hours working by myself, including stacking/sticking, phone calls and frequent sitting/ice tea breaks. PTL for a big shade tree in this heat!
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Ya ever gotten a job that you felt you had no business doing? I started one today where the client has about 60 R O logs. 18"- 24" diameter, 12-16' long. I told him before we started that my saw wasn't the fastest in the world, but he was ok with it. Today we sawed 16 logs in 8 1/2 hrs which for me was good. He had 2 grandsons to offload and he loaded logs with a skid steer. I've never had such good help. I expect to be there 2 more days this week as well as a few more next week. It w
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as a good day. I must mention that the stacks that are stickered were already there and not what we sawed today.
After taking a week off to move my son the Florida, I went back and finished this job Tuesday and Wednesday of this week. The total ended up at 4877 bf. Total time about 32 hrs so about 150 bf/hr. I know that's nothing to brag about but so far that's probably the best I've been able to do with my saw. It was the first time I had 2 good tail gunners as well as grandpa running the skid steer. Also helped that most of it was 2 x. Some of it 2 x 12 x16' so that adds up. When those start coming off it helps make up for the 1 x 4's...
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Looks good and there is nothing wrong with your productivity.
I finished sawing the hardwood on my job with this
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32" butt Red Oak.
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I did have a couple more Rainbow Poplar logs which were nice. I do not have a final tally on the hardwood nor Walnut.
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The only logs that I know about left to saw is 30-40 ERC logs that I believe that the slabs will be the cut list rather than the lumber.
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There are still the Walnut cutoffs but they ain't logs. Nothing over 6'. :-\
Looks great, FPP! 150bf/hr is good production in my book, the lumber looks good👍
Thanks guys.
MM. Isn't you record day in the neighborhood of 3000 bf?
You know....thats what we all measure ourselves by! :)
Well don't because I do not measure myself by daily bf totals or any other productivity rates. Just saw what you saw and keep on sawing.
Yes, I think that my all-time daily bf high is over 3Mbf.
I think he might really be saying, "do not even try, you will never catch me!" :snowball: 8) :D :D :D
Probably. :D
But he's also saying 'It's not a race, just do good work.' I think.
One can dream though... Ya, with a 16 hp saw that would only be only in my dreams. The main thing is that Im having fun.
I am steadily hacking along on my job even though the HOT is shutting us down in the early afternoon.
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The first ERC log sawn when the slabs are the cut list and the lumber is secondary.
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6½ hours of sawing.
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The cant lumber. The slabs and lumber will become reverse B&B siding for the customer's Cabin all sawn hourly rate.
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A portion of the 14645 bf of miscellaneous hardwood that was all harvested from the customer's property where the Cabin will be built.
I'll be back Monday. smiley_sweat_drop smiley_sun whiteflag_smiley
I was on vacation and missed it so, Happy belated Birthday, Lynn. 80 and many more. You are blessed with a beautiful family. Thanks for all the great pictures and stories, you are an inspiration and meet a lot of interesting people. Nice to see those teenage tail gunners getting at it. That is a Stack of Lumber!
Rich
Thank You Rich, but I am slowing down.
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I passed the "Sand Box" job to fellow FF member Beavertooth who made his first trip there this week. We talked this morning and he will now skip a few weeks while the customer gets more logs before he goes back.
I sawed on it for 5 years and I am sure that it will be equally profitable to Craig.
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Hopefully I can do them a good job as you have on the past Lynn. Thanks so much again for passing it my way. It is definitely a Sandboxfor sure 🙂. Going to try to attach a few pictures of some of the buildings they are working on now with the post that Lynn has sawn in the past and some that are completed. Maybe a few of some of my sawing and how I stayed cool enough to make it through the day 🥵🙂
I sawed all of the posts for the completed units as well as the two building in progress so thanks for showing that Craig.
You were set up in the exact spot where I sawed last August and September and I also recognize the equipment operators and the tailgunner.
I spent much time agonizing and deciding that it was time for me to step down and then determining who would fill my sawing shoes on this job. I am confident that I chose well. I was certainly there with you in spirit. This building project should go forward for the next 4-5 years.
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Big old,ugly Maple. Hard to handle but it had some nice looking slabs in there.
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I sawed all of the posts for the completed units as well as the two building in progress so thanks for showing that Craig.
You were set up in the exact spot where I sawed last August and September and I also recognize the equipment operators and the tailgunner.
I spent much time agonizing and deciding that it was time for me to step down and then determining who would fill my sawing shoes on this job. I am confident that I chose well. I was certainly there with you in spirit. This building project should go forward for the next 4-5 years.
Amazing project. Amazing what you can do with a Wood-Mizer and determination.
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Nothing but junky ERC cleanup this morning.
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The cant lumber.
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And finally the actual Cut List which was the slabs. I have no idea how many total logs nor the bf. I sawed 10½ hours @ hourly rate.
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We will not saw tomorrow but these are waiting for Wednesday morning. Two junky Walnut "logs", one White Oak, two Red Oaks which will become posts/timbers plus side lumber and two SYP logs which will be 1" lumber.
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After that we will dive into these (very valuable) 4'-6' Walnut cutoffs. :-\
Sugar Maple (spalted).
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Put a couple odd sugar maple logs on the mill that had been rotting aging on the ground for a few years. Got at least a couple pieces cut that had good spalting, will see what my lathe turning customers have to say. :)
I don't recall ever sawing any Maple. Well Box Elder is in the Maple family but as far as I am concerned it's Box Elder, not maple.
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When I got to the job this morning the "Log Fairy" had visited. He brought 14 Cottonwood and 4 Sassafras logs.
I intended to saw until noon but at 11:00 we did to the saw blade what coon hunters do to their fire. 11:00 will probably be our quitting target for the rest of the week. whiteflag_smiley
I can feel your heat Magicman.
We're in danger the danger zone too.
Going to the high 80s today. 🥵
While on vacation to the Black Hills in South Dakota last week, twice I was asked.............Sure is hot isn't it. I said no, it isn't. Then they would look at me and ask..........It's not? I would reply. Nope, I'm from Texas. It is 106 outside in the shade right now. Highest temp while we were there was 87. Day we left Rapid City is was 79............and no neat-o' humidity to speak of.
At 2pm this afternoon, I was out sawing 20 foot 4x6s in the shade with my 5 foot fan behind me. It was 98.3 in the rabbit hutch area of the open side of the barn at 3pm in the shade when I put frozen water gallon jugs in their cages.
I siesta from 3 to 6pm, so guess it is time to go back outside.
hugs, Brandi
Finally back at it but nothing big. Just a 22"x16.5' ponderosa pine. That was about all my Ford 545D could handle! I miss the SkyTrak. I was up on 3 tires a couple times. Got two 2x10s, nine 2x8s and a 2x4. Heavy stuff. Discovered the alternator is only putting out 11.44 volts :( It has what looks like an external voltage regulator that I'll see if that can be tested and replaced.
And the little lawn tractor battery on my mill is dead. I've got a group 24 deep cycle that I'll toss on there for now. I did install a major upgrade on the mill.
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I understand that major upgrade. smiley_sun
Sawing 20 foot SYP 4x6s from 32 inch logs.
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30 total. It takes longer to set it up on the mill. But after just 2 logs yielding eighteen 4x6s, I am getting the hang of using the telehandler to sit the logs on the mill. I have had to relevel the mill and move the shims under the legs twice. Once per log. I bumped the mill once picking up a 4x6 and once turning the cant jarred the mill over. Guess it doesn't help having metal shims on the wood shims under the legs.
hugs, Brandi
I milled a bunch of Greenheart today for a guy..... But I don't want to talk about it :'(
Man that stuff is hard
Brandi, I have started making my wood under my leveling jacks go side to side and be under two jacks. so like 2 x 8 x 5 feet long. seems more stable. Regards, Doc
20230803 Things get squirrely at the sawmill - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb0Khf9JX2s)
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I have not milled any lumber since May and these four white pine logs that I cut last winter have been waiting for me. Finally yesterday I got to sawing them. They were stored up off the ground but the grass grew up all around them and I was quite sure the pine borers had got to them and I was concerned about blue stain.
Well yup, the borers have been munching.
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So anyway, loaded first log and opened it up. Not too bad.
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but there were some holes from the bugs.
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I squared up the log and got some pretty good 12inch wide boards.
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That was all I had time for yesterday. This morning I managed to saw up the 2nd log between rain showers. It was a smaller and rougher log but didn't turn out too bad.
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It squared up to an 8"x8" cant and I took two 2x8s and a 4x8.
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It feels good to be sawing again and I hope to get to the other two logs tomorrow.
Keep on sawing.....Cutter
It doesn't take those borers too long to get to work.
I have sawn four 30 inch or bigger butt SYP since I got home from vacation last Monday. The trees were cut down 2-3 weeks ago. So I was ready for a sap bath on my gloves. But there is almost no sap buildup on the blade and none on my gloves.
July, here, had every day in the 90s, except the 8 days over 100. August has been over 100 here every day also.
Is the heat and lack of rain the reason? My pond is down over 4 feet also.
hugs, Brandi
Back in the saddle!
Cut two short cherry logs into 1" live edge!
The new LT 50 is a beast compared to the LT35. If I had known in 2018, what I know now, this would have been the mill to get.
Made myself use Pattern Mode just to start learning how to use Accuset 2.
Kudos to Joseph, Tyler, Wendy and crew at Carolinas Sawmill and Service, Woodmizer ASC here in NC. They gave me first rate service today!
Worth the wait!
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Started sawing on a customer order for 8/4 & 4/4 poplar today. This is a sale of limber from trees on my property not a customer sawing job. These first 2 logs are the top 2 and they get bigger from there.
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Typical middle log. Sawed 2 more just like it.
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12' long butt log ready to be sawed tomorrow or whenever. It will be 2X4s & 1X4s
Sawed 586 bf out of 6 logs. Most for the customer and rest for stock. I salvaged 13-2X2X12 strips I will use on my next floor on another bay in my storage shed. I have it cleaned out and ready to start adding fill and gravel. A big rock in the middle of the bay is determining my grade there.
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These are part of the customer order. 2X6 are complete. More 2X4 and 1X4 needed here.
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The 1X8X10 on the R side are customer order. (About 1/3 of the order). The rest is stock and for personal needs.
Good to see you're back in business Ted! smiley_thumbsup
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Customer dropped off a log he said was a red oak. Somehow miraculously changed into red elm as soon as I sawed into it. ;D
Magic blade! I need one to turn some poplar into walnut! :D
That new mill looks great.
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Red Cedar the county took out of a road right of way. I had a retired cow client approach me about some material for a shelf in a bar his son was opening. I sent him a few picture of the odds and ends i had around. One was the red cedar counter I had put in the duck blind to make breakfast on. He hunts too. He liked that cedar, wanted the shelf to be 2" x10" x8ft long when finished...
Ok, I can manage that pretty easily.
....Insert the mouse battle here.....
Long story but when Wally came to get the shelf, I realized he was related to the man who planted these trees in the 20's and 30's. It was his great uncle who planted 40 acres to trees then donated the farm to the state for forestry research.
I had been trying to figure out a fair price to ask, but knew that I had been given these logs for free, well Wally is a friend and since they were his uncles trees, going to his sons business venture. I just gave him the 2 pieces he picked out. Now they will have a story to tell about the wood. There is much more to this tale but I type to slow and I better get to going.
Nebraska,
Some things are worth much more than cash money and I bet you both got/get more happiness out of this "sale" than the $$$ would be worth.
I agree. Sometime you do what you do 'cause it's the right thing to do. 8)
My neighbor brought me the log that was the top of the barn door on his grandfather's feed barn. Neighbor wanted it cut into a mantle for his picnic shelter. His grandfather was my wife's great uncle. The barn was built by the neighbor's great grandfather
I cut it simply for the satisfaction of seeing when we go to events at his picnic shelter. It has paid for itself in referrals many times over.
I work mostly because the lord let's me help people and I saw because I want to.
I get paid much more than money. :)
Continued working on my order of poplar for my customer. I'd quoted him a wrong price and found I had the wrong number. He called today as I was sawing on the next log. I told him of the mistake which would cost him more and offered to return his deposit and asked what it would take to make things right. He was fine paying the rest of the amount due. I told him I had over half the order cut and was working on the rest. I cut the last log shown above last time and cut another tree. Nearly took out my new ATV (I guess I need to post in the dumb thread too) and had to repair some fence but dodged the bullet overall.
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I pulled down these 2- 12' logs and finished the 2X4s and overcut the number of 1X4s.
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I cut this 10' but log into 1X8s.
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I bucked this one to 21' and dragged it down cut in half and sawed the first one onto 1X8's. A fawn was eating the fresh poplar leaves and ignored me as I rode past on the tractor and stayed till I cranked up the chainsaw.
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When I got back to the mill the old doe was back about 30 yards from the mill and was in no hurry to leave. She finally browsed her way on up the hill.
My customer came over early afternoon and loaded and took all the stuff I had cut before plus the one extra log I had cut at the time.
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I cut 672 bf and stacked it for pick up tomorrow. I still have one log on the mill and need 11 more 20' 1X8s to finish the order.
As we finished loading the first load, a young neighbor came up and bought the 6-1X6X10's I had on the sawhorses from yesterday's side lumber which saved me double handling to stack them in stock. He had his car and was going to take them in it but I loaded it on my truck and drove it down to his house a mile away. His uncle is the guy who sharpens my blades.
I'll finish the order in the morning and the customer will be here to pick them up.
Nice. I love the way you are steadily cranking it out Howard. 8)
Howard, those are some nice straight logs.
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"The wood the saw guys down south warned me about..." :o
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Having never cut it before, I will say it's HARD. Did a couple blade changes (I'll spare you from seeing the wavey cut boards). :D
I got through it though, and I will say it has nice color fresh off the mill. :)
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I got up this morning to go finish my order and found I had guests in the front yard. His mom was 10-15 yards away. When I looked in the back there were 3 more. They walked along side me as I walked to the mill.
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They walked across the pasture as I got the mill set up to finish sawing the last log from yesterday. I sawed it and was still 5 boards short so I took the ATV up to the tree to cut one more log. All 5 deer were munching on the poplar leaves and showed no interest in leaving as I measured and bucked off the log then dragged it back to the mill with the ATV.
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This log yielded 7 1X8s so my order is complete, the customer is on his way to get it and the deer are probably back up munching on the poplar top. No more pictures of the finished stack as it is same as yesterday with 13 more boards added. i am glad to be finished with it.
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I went over yesterday and picked up a load of short walnut logs. These are all from above where the tree first forked and are mostly about 3' long. I will saw them into 8/4 LE slabs for bench tops and into 9/4 square stock for bench legs. I'm not sure the sort one on the right side at the rear is even long enough for leg stock and I might make some cookies out of it.
The butt log is still there and standing attached to the root ball. The tree fell in 110 mph winds we had along the Greenbrier River last week, It fell across a road and it looks like when they cut the top the log stood back up. There is 12-13 feet of good clear log before the first limb and easily 300-350 bf of lumber in it. I first declined it but decided I'll try to cut it and get my son to help me load it. I think we can parbuckle it onto his 14' trailer and I will either sell it to a log yard or take it to a mill 40 miles away with a Lucas slabber and a wide LT70 to cut into LE slabs.
After missing two weeks of sawing due to me having Covid, I made a half day this morning. We worked from 6:30 until 11:00 which was also until the thermometer hit 100° and it was time to quit. I doubt that we will work past 11:00 any day this week.
I finished sawing the (very) junky Cottonwood logs, but also 4 nice Sassafras logs. The pleasant Sassafras fragrance verified that I had my smelling ability back which was also nice.
The only thing left to saw on this job is short Walnut cutoffs which will all be sawed into posts/beams.
I have sawed over 17Mbf plus 10½ hours @ hourly rate on this job which was over 200 logs and he brought more after I counted.
Not being able to taste or smell anything for 4 days was one of the weirdest things I have experienced.
You are lucky if losing taste and smell is all you had. I lost a whole week I can't remember due to COVID.
Either somehow my wife, kids at home, and I haven't got Covid yet, or we never had any symptoms. So I'm counting my blessings for that. My oldest 2 daughters have had it. It didn't hurt that during Covid, my wife worked from home, the kids are homeschoooled, and I worked out in the woods. So human contact was minimal. I barely noticed a difference🤷 Social isolation is kind of a lifestyle if you are a logger 😊
I have no idea how I escaped as long as I did, and so far, PatD is still Covid free. We sorta avoided each other and ate on the opposite table ends. I slept in the guest bedroom.
We went "sugar free" for two weeks. :-X
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. So human contact was minimal.
Isn't that a general rule for Sasquatch? :D
Always leave them hungry for more😂
I am now sawing Walnut cutoffs generally 3'-4' in length. Most everything is too short for the sawmill loader arms so we are loading on the side support side.
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This 28" diameter "log" decided to be first.
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And yielded eight 2" bookmatched one live edge slabs that will make nice countertops.
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Various widths and thicknesses depending upon what the log gives. Three hours "hourly rate" before we quit for the day. No sawing tomorrow so I will be back Thursday.
One more picture that I overlooked showing some longer slabs:
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The slabs ranged from 1" to 4" depending upon what they were.
MM,
Pretty wood.
Did you have a tooth out of set on the cut in that first second picture?
My next cutting will be similar sized chunks from my last post. I have 2- 6' 1/4" chains I wrap around the loader arms to make a sling to lift them if I don't have MHE available. I have to be careful they don't fall off on top of the tire.
Hitting rocks Howard. These cutoffs are laying in a gravel area and I am having to search for rocks. Some I find and some I..... :-\
Changed blades a couple of times.
Must be the week for short walnut. Instructions are to slab it all, some a scant 4/4 and some 6/4. If too short to slab, saw cookies. Ok, my hourly rate just went up a additional $40. :)
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Last log of the day and the shortest. Most have been so short my chain turner won't work and I turn with the two plane clamp.
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The only nails I hit so far were in this stack. Broke one blade and thought from old age so put on a re-sharp and found more nails.
Going to a husband wife team that are producing resin art charcuterie boards on a production basis.
Had a couple of short cherry logs and the color was outstanding. Took the picture after a quick rain shower went through.
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Lynn,
Please get your customer to take photos of the Walnut countertops and share them with us.
hugs, Brandi
Larry can we see some of the crotch wood? nice slabs.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 15, 2023, 03:21:57 PMDid you have a tooth out of set on the cut in that first second picture?
Howard, I probably answered hastily but after going back and looking and remembering, those cutoff "logs" are extremely dry and very hard. I was using a "new out of the box" blade was getting some blade chatter and slowed down. I probably should have sped up. I noticed some of the same pattern on Larry's Walnut in the next reply. The ripples were shallow and would easily plane out.
I am off today but am scheduled to return tomorrow and Friday. We should finally finish this job next week working half days. Too HOT to work past noon. smiley_sun
I sawed 4 more hours of walnut cutoffs this morning. Just crooked stuff that I am laying on the sawmill bed and taking off the top and bottom. The "timbers" are ranging from 3" to 6" thick and 4' to 7' long. If they are over about 12" diameter I am sawing whatever thickness looks good with sometime one and sometime two live edges.
I should easily finish this job next week unless he brings in more logs.
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I resawed these 2 4' & 3' locust cut-offs from uprights on my pole barn. I needed some locust boards for formwork for a new bay floor and these provided enough to do that. Now I just need to collect a bunch of stones from around my place then top them with gravel.
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I went over today and bucked a big walnut log from a tree that uprooted in a big windstorm a week or so back. While there I ran into 2 ladies who showed me an emergency road that was still blocked by blown down trees. I told them I'd clear the road for the wood from a locust tree that was across the road. I got these 7' and one 10' butt log. The 7' posts I'll use for fence posts and I sawed the 10' butt log into 2" sleepers for the new floor. I got an 8, 9 and 10' 2" LE sleeper I'll put on top of the gravel. I will either cut some other locusts posts or maybe cut another tree if I need more.
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These short walnut pieces I got earlier this week.
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I started sawing these 3' pieces into 8/4 LE pieces for bench tops and 9/4 square strips for legs.
Late this afternoon as I was cutting the last 2- 9/4 pieces they slipped out of the clamp and stalled the engine. I freed the pieces from the blade but after that the mill would not re-start. It acts like a tripped breaker but the 2 breakers under the control panel look to be reset. I don't know if there is something with the key switch. It was late and I did not open the panel to look for broken or loose wires or such.
I moved the head back to the front and the hydraulics work fine but they don't go through the switch on my mill. If anyone has any suggested troubleshooting please let me know what you think I should check?
Won't crank or won't start?
If it cranks and won't start, check your fuel level 😜
Won't even light up the panel when I turn the key. I'm confident it is something electrical.
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I resawed these 2 4' & 3' locust cut-offs from uprights on my pole barn. I needed some locust boards for formwork for a new bay floor and these provided enough to do that. Now I just need to collect a bunch of stones from around my place then top them with gravel.
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I went over today and bucked a big walnut log from a tree that uprooted in a big windstorm a week or so back. While there I ran into 2 ladies who showed me an emergency road that was still blocked by blown down trees. I told them I'd clear the road for the wood from a locust tree that was across the road. I got these 7' and one 10' butt log. The 7' posts I'll use for fence posts and I sawed the 10' butt log into 2" sleepers for the new floor. I got an 8, 9 and 10' 2" LE sleeper I'll put on top of the gravel. I will either cut some other locusts posts or maybe cut another tree if I need more.
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These short walnut pieces I got earlier this week.
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I started sawing these 3' pieces into 8/4 LE pieces for bench tops and 9/4 square strips for legs.
Late this afternoon as I was cutting the last 2- 9/4 pieces they slipped out of the clamp and stalled the engine. I freed the pieces from the blade but after that the mill would not re-start. It acts like a tripped breaker but the 2 breakers under the control panel look to be reset. I don't know if there is something with the key switch. It was late and I did not open the panel to look for broken or loose wires or such.
I moved the head back to the front and the hydraulics work fine but they don't go through the switch on my mill. If anyone has any suggested troubleshooting please let me know what you think I should check?
Howard,
I will come troubleshoot your starting issue for free. But I charge $100 an hour for travel. 8)
I am gonna go out on a limb here and say another drum switch just blew it's warranty out. Did the mill move much when the clamp let go? Check for loose wires. Oh yeah................what is the level in your lube tank? ???
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
Thanks for the offer but your travel rate is a little high at this stage.
I'm not thinking a drum switch. When they fail the mill still starts and the SimpleSet still shows but when you toggle the lever the head does not raise or lower or the head does not got forward or reverse as applicable.
In this case turning the key to start or accessories does nothing and the SimpleSet never lights up. I suspect it could be in the ignition switch but I don't see how a sudden stop from the band getting stick and choking down the motor could cause that.
I may find something simple tomorrow when I open up the control panel and start jiggling wires. I may be like the old electrician on Down Periscope before it is all said and done.
Oh yeah, The lube tank is near full but was not in use. Mine is just a drip system and I do not need it it on most of the wood I saw.
I don't understand the mill moving question. The band cut about 2" into the wood, when the clamp slipped the wood slammed against the blade stopping the roller guide and choking the mill down. Not something that happens often but has occurred before with no long term ill effects.
If you have not already done this, then remove the battery cables at both ends and clean/wire brush before re-attaching and trying again to get it to crank.
Happened to me a week ago, and after puzzling over alternatives as to why suddenly would not start, I followed my own advice.. cleaned the ends, cranked, and started right up. Hope it works for you.
Howard,
Didn't you have a broken wire a month or so ago? I think I remember you replaced a drum switch. When we had odd problems on airliner systems, we would first research and go back and look where the last system was disturbed and/or worked on. Usually there is a smoking gun there.
I might be thinking of my tractor, but is there a fuse on the starter relay?
But then again, it could be the muffler bearing was knocked loose. ::)
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: beenthere on August 18, 2023, 12:02:56 AM
If you have not already done this, then remove the battery cables at both ends and clean/wire brush before re-attaching and trying again to get it to crank.
Happened to me a week ago, and after puzzling over alternatives as to why suddenly would not start, I followed my own advice.. cleaned the ends, cranked, and started right up. Hope it works for you.
That was my next guess. I blew out a 3 year old tire on my trailer the other day. The tire shop has been having numerous blow outs every day in this heat.
The trailer has been sitting for over 3 weeks with over 100 degree temps with no tire rotation. The heat can kill a battery in a heartbeat.
hugs, Brandi
On the battery I can check that but I am still getting power to the hydraulics so I do not think that is the issue. I came to a sudden stop so could easily have pulled loose a wire I guess but I'll thinking it is more likely to be in the ignition.
The last piece I replaced was the control module that runs the SimpleSet, forward and reverse and up and down.
Happy Birthday Old Man! 8)
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) Happy Birthday, Howard!
Happy birthday. I hope that you find a quick and simple solution to your problem.
Happy Birthday Howard.
If that was my sawmill it would be the "accessory" breaker tripped. On my sawmill it is under the long cover on the bottom edge of the control box front. About 4 screws remove that cover. My accessory breaker is in the center.
Thanks guys for the BD greetings.
My mill is acting just like a tripped breaker but on mine there are two right under the front of the control panel and both seem to be reset. That doesn't mean that one is not defective and will be part of my checks.
My son is supposed to come over and bring his 14' double axle trailer and we will load a 12' plus walnut log I dropped and bucked yesterday. I wanded it and can't find any sign of metal which pleased and surprised me. It likely has 300+ bf, has a crotch on top and the log yard will likely call it a 10'. I will see what they offer. I am torn between selling it to them for immediate cash or taking to a nearby mill with a Lucas Slabber and make a bunch of 10/4 LE slabs. I guess it will depend what the yard offers.
Howard,
It just might be the breaker. They do wear out.
But go ahead and have a Happy Birthday anyway!
hugs, Brandi
Happy Birthday Howard!! 8)
Brent
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 18, 2023, 08:03:11 AMMy mill is acting just like a tripped breaker but on mine there are two right under the front of the control panel and both seem to be reset. That doesn't mean that one is not defective and will be part of my checks.
Finding two breakers that are not tripped doesn't do anything. I would look for the Accessory breaker that I suspect will be tripped.
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My Accessory breaker is underneath that long panel just below the blue earplug box shown above. I have to remove the 4 screws to remove that panel/cover. The breakers are labeled on the front of the control box and my Accessory breaker is in the center.
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I loaded this bad boy up this morning. 40" tall X 32" wide X 51" long.
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The butt was 32" tall X 34" wide. The bark inclusions went through from end to end. I brought it down making two live edges to 24" and turned 90°.
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There were some amazing bookmatched slabs inside.
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The total yield of 1" and 2" slabs. It took 35 minutes to whittle it down even with taking several picture and awe sessions.
I probably have two or three more ½ days to finish this job.
Well, several of you were close but no cigar. It turned out it was the 150 A mega fuse beside the battery. I checked for loose wires and could not find power at key points so I called WM, got right through and he described where the fuse box was and after several attempts I checked it correctly and determined that as the problem. He asked if there was a spare fuse and I checked the fuse box cover and there was not one there nor did there look like room for one. So off to Advance Auto who had a couple. I came back and installed it and everything worked fine. Once that was done and I picked up the battery box cover I saw the 2 spare fuses there. Duuhh! Anyway, all is well and Millie is back in operation.
The question that needs to be answered is - what caused that 150 amp fuse to blow? That's a lot of current.
I suspect it was that sudden stop when the boards slipped out of the clamp and were pulled into the fast moving band and stalled the engine.
Quote from: Bindian on August 18, 2023, 12:05:41 AM
Howard,
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I might be thinking of my tractor, but is there a fuse on the starter relay? ...........................................
hugs, Brandi
Howard,
You're welcome.
Those are big honkers. I remember seeing them, now, when I installed external battery terminals on that fuse box.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
So I guess you were about the closest in your troubleshooting. If I'd paid the travel fee I am sure you could have identified the problem immediately or sooner. I'm not sure this is on the starter relay but it does kill the switch, starter, alternator, electronic settings, etc. Practically everything but the hydraulics. I don't understand the design where there are 2 posts with a 225A fuse to the hydraulics and a 4" wire with ring connectors jumping from the 225A fuse over to feed the 150A fuse.
I don't see any way to tell if the fuse is good or bad except to test it with a volt meter which is what we did.
you might want one of those lights in a handle with a probe and a wire with an alligator clip. you connect it to the batt +, and then can check continuity. 8 bucks at a HF near you.
Doc,
I have one of those and also a voltmeter multi-meter (which I struggle to use due mostly to ignorance and inexperience). Both from HF. I love shopping there.
Howard, the design is so 2 wires don't have to be run for power to the hydraulics and all other functions. As you've seen, they blow independently of each other.
The only times I've blown the big fuse for the hydraulics is when running them at -10°F- the kind of temps where the mill is telling you to go back inside😁
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 19, 2023, 11:05:37 AM
I have one of those and also a voltmeter (which I struggle to use due mostly to ignorance and inexperience).
Those two things are "curable!"
Belated Happy Birthday wishes!
Glad you got the mill fixed.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 19, 2023, 08:48:43 AM
Brandi,
So I guess you were about the closest in your troubleshooting. If I'd paid the travel fee I am sure you could have identified the problem immediately or sooner. I'm not sure this is on the starter relay but it does kill the switch, starter, alternator, electronic settings, etc. Practically everything but the hydraulics. I don't understand the design where there are 2 posts with a 225A fuse to the hydraulics and a 4" wire with ring connectors jumping from the 225A fuse over to feed the 150A fuse.
I don't see anyway to tell if the fuse is good or bad except to test it with a volt meter which is what we did.
Thanks Howard. I knew the tractor had a fuse in the starter relay circuit on my tractor, as it has blown and I would turn the key and nothing. Thought it might be the neutral safety wires came off the switch, as brush can knock it off.
But I haven't had electrical mishaps like Y'all more experienced sawyers have. Yet.
I am not sure if a certified Electrical Engineer could explain how the Woodmizer is wired. Mine is not wired as the wiring diagram shows it should be. My Yanmar alternator suppose to be disconnected from the electrical system. But there it is, still putting out amps. Woodmizer even sent me instructions how to disable the wires to it. I ignored them. They said the Yanmar alternator would feedback and mess up the Simple Set. Yeah, right! Glad you got it figured out.
hugs, Brandi
We got into some Bo today,
rainbow poplar
Eye candy for the sawyer
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And within a few minutes it smurfed,
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And then begins to fade
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JMoore and I sawed a log a customer brought us about a month ago. It was probably a laurel oak. It started as a 12'6", probably 40" diameter log. The customer wanted it bucked to 8' to be quartersawn. We had a couple of interruptions while we were opening the log due to folks showing up who wanted lumber. After gun barreling the log and preparing to quartersaw it, we hit some metal. We hit some more metal. At the end of the day/log, we ruined three new blades and a couple of resharpened ones. We were sawing by the hour on this one, but I did not have the heart to charge what it should have been worth. The customer is a many time repeat customer. We persevered and ended up with some nice boards. The icing on the cake was running the boards through the edger.
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We even have quartersawn firewood. I hauled it to the neighbor. Unfortunately, we put a lot of this log into the burn pile.
I have incorporated iron stained wood into projects.
I remember in 2018, waiting to get to post here for the first time! :)
Today despite the heat, I cut 2 year old white oak logs into 1x8s. The customer didn't really want any 1x4 or 1x6 so we had a bit more waste than I like.
Here's the trailer loaded with 1x8s and a few 1x4 and 1x6. Most were 11'.
It measured to 1,100 bdft in a little less than 6 hours. I'm still learning to use the LT 50.
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Yes it is dead stacked. Look close at the near side of the trailer and you can see I cut plenty of stickers for him to restack properly.
It's nice to see the LT50 following in the LT35's footsteps. 8)
I sort of hate it when the customer tells me something like "Nothing smaller than a 1X8" because I know I'll waste a few 1X4s and 1X6s but it goes speed up the sawing.
Make the face openings so that the cant will make what the customer wants and keep on sawing. It'll work out.
Quote from: caveman on August 19, 2023, 09:29:14 PM
JMoore and I sawed a log a customer brought us about a month ago. It was probably a laurel oak. It started as a 12'6", probably 40" diameter log. The customer wanted it bucked to 8' to be quartersawn. We had a couple of interruptions while we were opening the log due to folks showing up who wanted lumber. After gun barreling the log and preparing to quartersaw it, we hit some metal. We hit some more metal. At the end of the day/log, we ruined three new blades and a couple of resharpened ones. We were sawing by the hour on this one, but I did not have the heart to charge what it should have been worth. The customer is a many time repeat customer. We persevered and ended up with some nice boards. The icing on the cake was running the boards through the edger.
Ugh, the dreaded sight of black iron stain in red oak species...
It is not too often I get to add to this great website. I do enjoy all the pictures and discussions, even if my day job is sitting at a desk.
I have a few logs cut up every few years for woodworking. In our woods we had a nice Butternut tree go down in our woods. The Butternut was about 40 feet to the first big limb and 26 inches diameter on the large end of the log. I cut a 17 foot butt log, a 12 foot center log and an 8 foot log that should be firewood, hollow spot and small.
A coworker has a Woodland Mills HM126 that can cut up to 26 inches. The butternut cut like a dream. We end up splitting the 17 foot butt log because the sawmill's maximum length is 16 feet. The firewood log produced a couple of nice slabs. In all, the Butternut produced 700 board feet of lumber. That should keep a hobby woodworker like me in business for many years. Hope you enjoy the pics.
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Quote from: Magicman on August 20, 2023, 10:36:44 PM
Make the face openings so that the cant will make what the customer wants and keep on sawing. It'll work out.
Accuset 2 and Pattern mode made the "it'll work out" part relatively easy.
I used 2 patterns. One I set a cant height at 8" with 7/8" increments/boards above. That one I used to cut the opening face and the 180° face.
The second pattern was 7/8" to the bed to through saw the cant. I got a 1" dog board every time.
I tried Auto Down with 7/8" increments before switching to pattern mode. Using Auto Down, I had to make a manual trim cut to get an 8" cant.
After I figured out Pattern mode, I put my cheat sheet back in the truck! 8)
Now the challenge will be to remember how I did that.
Ted, it didn't take me long to get comfy with the Accuset for the common stuff and I use it all the time. But I still keep that cheat sheet on the console, which I use for two things, Frist, it has the numbers laid out so that I can figure what size cant I need for a given target thickness. Meaning, I open sides 1 and two and then when I got to 3 I come down and look where I am, then check the sheet to see what the number is to wind up with an even number of boards without a wasted cut. The other thing I use it for is odd sixes I rarely cut, like 7/4, Then I just work off the sheet instead of finding a spot to program in the size I want. Usually it's just a log or two. For anybody that's interested, I attached my latest sheet.
Edit to add: I deleted the attachment, it had a mistake. See my post further down for the correction.
Quote from: RonG on August 21, 2023, 08:59:25 AMIt is not too often I get to add to this great website.
Thank you Sir for taking the time to add your Butternut sawing. That is a species that I have never seen and certainly will never saw.
I got within striking distance of finishing my job today.
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I counted only 7 Walnut cutoffs left. We will look through the pile tomorrow just in case I missed something.
I took some random pictures of the lumber, slabs, and posts that have been recovered from the Walnut cutoffs:
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Some of the 17Mbf+ of lumber sawed is seen in the background of the last picture. All of the Walnut cutoff sawing has been hourly rate. So far it is 16 hours and we will add another couple tomorrow.
I will be happy to see my "taillights in my rear view mirror" tomorrow.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on August 21, 2023, 12:49:14 PM..... For anybody that's interested, I attached my latest sheet.
Well, try as I might I screwed up. GAB was gentle enough to send me a PM and ask a question about my cheat sheet after he discovered (another) error I made in my 3/4 column. I have since corrected that and am attaching a revised sheet because I don't want anybody repeating my mistakes. I don't know if I can do it, but I will try to delete the attached document from my prior post. Here is rev D:
Quote from: SawyerTed on August 21, 2023, 09:18:18 AMThe second pattern was 7/8" to the bed to through saw the cant. I got a 1" dog board every time.
At the project last April Jake was telling me about cutting 7/8" roofing purlins. I started cutting more 7/8" thick boards since. I have to manually go to the bottom 7/8" cut as our Accuset II won't do it, even in pattern mode. It must be afraid of the clamp or something. I'm slow on the uptake but I really like the Accuset II.
I have never sawn with Simple Set but we did saw for several years on an LT-28. On it I became accustomed to using the incremented wheel scale more than the scale on the mast. I should have taken the time back then to make a cheat sheet. It would have saved me some mistakes.
You are correct. It does go to 2" and stop. Manually lowering to 1" leaves the 1" dog board. But the second board is 7/8".
Ron G
Thanks for the post and pictures of the Butternut. As a Hobby woodworker is it a species for furniture? Here on the West coast we only have Alder and Maple for so called hardwoods. All these pictures of Sawyers cutting Walnut and other exotic woods makes me jealous
Dan.
I saw recently someone was talking about becoming a forest biologist and planned to move from the east to the west coast. I bit my tongue :D. But apparently not forever ::).
Hopefully @SwampDonkey (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1009) will post some pics of butternut furniture.
Growing up I got to mess with the leftover scraps of it from paneling in a few of my Dad's houses. It is relatively soft, easily worked, stable. Not particularly strong so use and joinery need to match the strength. Understated and handsome, I like butternut. Good for boxes and cases... interiors of stagecoaches, and the paneling of Gifford Pinchot's office.
Yep, that looks like typical butternut. Nice whack. :)
Blanket chest: The lid was pine and birch, the plinth is cherry. The carcass is finger jointed butternut. The plaque is pine. The small box is butternut to.
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DanR Butternut is a lot like Alder in hardness, which I categorize as a softer hardwood. It is easy to work with, I keep my tools sharp otherwise there is some tearout. Both make nice furniture. The grain pattern is usually very pronounced on almost every board from Butternut.
I have made a few furniture items out of Alder in the past few years. Nice wood, not much grain pattern.
Yea !!! I finished sawing the Walnut cutoffs this morning with these:
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Angry looking bookmatches. :) I spent 21 full and partial days sawing on this job sawing 17Mbf+ and 30½ hours billed hourly rate. Yes, it was a very nice pay check.
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I had previously mentioned that somehow my spare tire
mysteriously got damaged one weekend.
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There was no reason to be concerned because when I was loading up my spare tire had mysteriously been replaced.
I will return to this customer when he brings the SYP logs for his framing lumber. He asked if I could just leave the sawmill until then but I told him that I had two more customers waiting but coming back was not a problem. He prepaid $1100 toward sawing the framing lumber. ;D
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I moved the sawmill on to the next job which I will start tomorrow morning. The limby stuff will not be sawn but...
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The majority of the logs are very nice indeed. I have no idea what the cut list will be.
Lynn,
Not meaning to be overly nosey (Which I am I know) but on those long jobs do you wait till finished for pay or get incremental paydays? I tell my clients I expect/require pay at the end of the job or weekly whichever comes first. I often have customers who offer to pay daily when it is a multi-day job. I tell them we can wait or they can pay then. I think the longest I went on one job was about 3 weeks but that included breakdown/repair time and weather. I was a little nervous as that was 50 miles away and I had several trips but the customer paid immediately when I finished and gave him the bill.
Even on multiple week jobs such as this, I render an invoice at the end of the job. (Within this one I had two weeks of Covid.) I was there all or portions of 21 days.
You can easily tally this one up and see that it was over $9K. That plus he added the $1100 toward the framing lumber.
I left the "sandbox" job (236 miles from home) last year on a Saturday evening with an unpaid invoice for $10,688. He did a wire transfer Monday morning. I suppose that all of my sawing customers are honest because I have stated several times that in 20½ years I have never not been paid, so pay is simply not an issue or concern with me.
Yes, I have daily expenses i.e. truck gas, about a half gallon of Diesel per hour plus blade resharpening. I presently have 3 boxes of 10 at various stages of the resharp cycle.
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Sawed some 2 year old cedar logs left from the LT35 days. Measured moisture at 14%. I figured it was dry enough to dress on two sides.
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Cedar today. The white smoke in the background is todays new fire about 1/2 mile away. I tried to get a pic of the planes dropping in the background but very hard on the timing.
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I decided to cut a dead pine into. 4/4 boards to use on my new shed bay floor so I bucked this 17 & 13 ft logs. The tree was dead on the stump and the bottom 12' was punk and black ants before I got to solid wood. My shed floor angles from 14-17 feet so no splicing required on 17' boards.
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I got 10-8" wide boards, 1 - 6" wide and 2-6" that will trim out about 10' so about 132 bf but more important 98" width of floor coverage. My floor is only about 9' wide so this one log will nearly do it.
Also as nearly as I can tell the log is spruce not White Pine. There is some denium stain and some worm holes but I still think it is spruce from the limb arrangement, bark and sawdust smell.
I still have the 13' log to saw.
Spruce will have knots between the limb whorls, internodal branches/shoots. Spruce is one of them softwoods that recover when younger if snow load or a moose breaks the top below the last whorl. One of them shoots between the whorl that broke off and one below will become dominant and shoot upward and after 5 or 6 years you can't tell the tree lost it's top. A pine is ruined and you see a rotting spike above the last live whorl for years.
Dead top from insect damage.
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Mine is a patch of over-aged Norway Spruce planted for Christmas trees 70-80 years ago. They were planted on 6' centers so most are seriously stunted. This one was at the very upper edge so it may have gotten more sunlight and gotten a little bigger. I have a few White Pine volunteers that grew among them and when live they are easy to tell apart due to the color and texture of the bark and of course the needles and cones are different.
I harvest the ones that fall and when I get an order for one. I generally use the spruce for my composting toilets to keep the weight down. I guess I will cut the remaining log into 2X4s and will go see if there is another log or two in it. The tree broke when it fell just above the top cut on the 13' log which is the reason for the odd length. There may be another small log or two I can salvage from it. This is the first time I have cut and salvaged a dead one. There is some worm "Character" but not enough to affect my intended use.
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Not sure what I cut, but has a lot of color changes going on. It has laid around for a couple of years. Anyone have any ideas ?
I have no plans to saw anything until mid-September and (then only if) the thermometer starts co-operating.
Quote from: Magicman on August 27, 2023, 02:23:52 PM
I have no plans to saw anything until mid-September and the thermometer starts co-operating.
Lynn:
I wish you luck on the thermometer co-operating and hopefully there won't be any him or her icanes headed your way.
GAB
Quoteand sawdust smell.
"Follow your nose, it always knows."
(Old Toucan Sam saying.) ;)
My guess is Red Oak. ? ? ?
hugs, Brandi
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Not sure what I cut, but has a lot of color changes going on. It has laid around for a couple of years. Anyone have any ideas ?
Photo of end grain in focus would help id the board that contains the pith center. The other pic with two boards shows decay.
Do you see any rays that would indicate oak?
Looks like a red maple to me, not ring porous of oak on the end grain. a little over spalted.
I had a customer drop off some sinker logs a couple years ago. They were in pretty tough shape, I told him I'd saw them by the hour. He said to saw them, "whenever I got around to it". That is a bad set of instructions for me, because my management style is "putting out the biggest fires first"🤦 So if someone is in no rush, I have a bad tendency to forget about their order. Anyways, I was just firing the mill up and the customer texted me, wondering if i ever got any of his logs opened up. So i told him I'd saw a few right away, before I forgot again!
The customer thought his logs were black ash, but almost every one I sawed was white pine, I think.
I just through sawed them, the owner is going to edge them on his tablesaw once they are dry. That way he can make the call on where the decay is too much.
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I did not see any rays and yes , a little over spalted. Thanks
I went ahead and sawed the other 13' spruce log shown previously. Just sawed it into 6 - 2X4s to use in my vertical bins. Several had weak spot in the middle but I need short pieces so no real loss involved.
We sawed about a dozen laurel oak logs yesterday. Several would have been well suited for firewood. The edger was a welcomed addition to our little rinky dink operation.
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The older fellow on the far side of the trailer is the retired ag teacher from my high school. I did not take ag in high school, but he and I taught at neighboring schools until he retired. He is a great person. The customer is his son. Everything on this load was sawn at 5/4 and 8/4.
Our next scheduled job is some more 8" and 10" longleaf pine that will be used for flooring. Next week we could have some tropical weather.
Trimguy - if that's not a computer screen thing I think I can see some purple-ish in there, which I have seen in Pecan that sat around for a while.
Caveman, that's a load of lumber, and not a light load. ;D I wouldn't want too many yes mamms to roll over going down the road. She might rub the rear end a little. ;)
You are right about the load. It was hotter than blue blazes Saturday afternoon and I had already unloaded two of the stacks off of another trailer that was behind a Jeep. The owner decided the weight was too much tongue weight for the Jeep. They dragged the tail end of the trailer a little when they left my driveway but there are good roads and only about five or six miles of them between my place and theirs. We were ready for that load to go away so we could find some shade and something cold to drink.
I cut the log in 2 , I will look for the purple when I get get a chance to saw the other half. Thanks
Remember that is actually "Yankee Brown", not purple. We don't want to offend our brethren from the great Glatiated Northern Climes. ;)
It was a rainy shop day
I don't have any pecan but did have some mockernut hickory and some red maple.
I'm trying to show the difference in ring porous and diffuse porous woods so y'all can get back to whatever purple stuff you're drinking... and yes pecan is semi ring porous. But trimguy's pic above is diffuse.
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The white "pores" in the maple in my pic, are bad machining, I should have sanded longer. The pores are the dark fine diffuse... pores :)
Well Don I have explained on here somewhere that I am actually quite color blind, and the embarrassment of finding that out at 30 something years of age.
Maple are very hard to see, wouldn't see much in a compressed photo, yellow birch pores are more prominent. The two woods looks similar until you look at the ends.
red maple
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Maple will sand smoother than yellow birch, especially the sharp corners. One of the reasons maple was used in furniture, and not birch. School desks, rockers, kitchen chairs, glider rockers.
One more flogging of the mule :)
One of the first "keys" is to look at the end view and determine whether the wood is ring or diffuse porous. Remember hardwoods in your mind that way. With that done, you've just cut the pool in half.
I had another stick in that pic originally because I was playing in it yesterday. I just cut it out when I zoomed. This one shows the distinction more clearly. So walking up on the stack, from 10' away you can see the difference in ring and diffuse porous woods, the gears are turning. The same red maple and "poor man's oak". It is seriously ring porous like an oak. But then look, indistinct rays... another good early key, it is no oak, they have very distinct rays, its sassafras.
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JMoore and I sawed some 8" and 10" wide heart pine today for a repeat customer. He is using it for flooring in his "barndominium". I was enjoying my coffee this morning and reading the FF when my mother called and said that Pop fell face first on the floor and that she needed help. I rushed next door to find him face down and lots of blood. I got him rolled over and lifted him. She rolled his chair under him, and we started trying to stop the leaking. He had one gash that would need stitches. I told her that I could take him to the ER, but she called an ambulance. I took my phone out to take a picture of him and despite all of the trauma, he smiled like a mule eating briars. A little after noon and he was home. My mother took quite a hit trying to keep him from falling and bruised her ribs, but she is as tough as they come. When she was picking him up from the hospital, the doctor did not want to release him to her, fearing she would not be able to care for him. She evidently convinced the staff to load him in the car, because she brought him home a little after noon.
Right after the ambulance left, John showed up and I started pulling some longleaf pine logs out of the pond for this job. Some of these boards were phenomenal, curly heart pine. The edger was the hero of the day. We got it sticker stacked and dealt with a few bands of showers from the remnants of Idalia.
While we were sawing, my uncle stopped by to pick out a cedar slab that he intends to build a waterfall table out of. Soon after my uncle arrived, another friend came over. He is retired but is a machinist and is interested in seeing boards be made. I'll probably enlist his assistance when I get around to setting up the blade setter.
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We'll let it air dry for a while, put it in the kiln and then run it in the hot box for a few days. Some of this is pure heart pine and it will take a few days at 150° or more to set the pitch.
Kyle, that's a helluva a day! Been there with Mom and Dad AND work.
Keep the "importanter" things FIRST!
Ouch on that heart Longleaf. :-X
The longleaf behaved relatively well. We had the offroad blade lube running judiciously. Just got Pop put to bed. He's had a rough day but still managed to grin when I went to take his picture. He did let a profanity or two slip when he saw his new shiner when I was brushing his teeth.
The county cancelled school yesterday and today due to Idalia. Yesterday was a washout but today was not too bad. This morning the weather was pleasant and this afternoon it felt like Florida in August, hot, wet and humid. I was glad to not waste a day off. I have a lot of work to do tomorrow at the schoolhouse. We have 100 or more show hogs coming in next Friday and a bunch of pen repairs to do between now and then. I really did not need two days away from the day job this week.
Nice lumber, can almost smell that heart from here. Wow!
That second Longleaf picture shows the real deal. Better be careful nailing it or it will split/shatter. :o
Kyle,
Sorry I missed the post yesterday about your dad and mom and I sure hope both are recovering well. Any head, scalp or face would can look real scary with the amount of blood present. Keep us posted on their recovery.
Good looking pine and cedar there.
Thanks, WV. They are doing fairly well today. I'll go next door and help get Pop to supper in about 45 minutes. It's still storming a bit here today.
Magicman, I'm not going to be the one nailing this pine. We sawed it and will dry it, then heat it some more for a few days to set the pitch and then call the customer to come pick it up and show us a little money. We stacked it on pallets at a height that will allow it to fit into the hot box and also not to exceed what the Kubota tractor will lift in the even that we need to use it to move the stack. One more layer and the Kubota protests. After looking at the picture again. The top pallet load may have a bit too much for the Kubota until it dries some. We stacked some split boards and 1x6's on top for additional weight. We'll keep those for something else as the customer wants 8" and 10" widths.
Yup, if it's gonna be nailed it will probably need pilot holes drilled. Sometime an air nailer will shoot through an not split it and then.....
Air nailers can be funny like that, even with your hands. They will blow the nail through and nothing, but then ...
Kyle,
What is your Mom and Dad's names. I want to say a prayer for them and you.
hugs, Brandi
Thank you. Charles and Geraldyne Carlton.
Thanks Kyle,
Charles was my Dad's middle name and Geraldyne was his older sister.
Easy to remember for sure.
hugs, Brandi
That's tough sorry about your dad. Hope they heal quickly.
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Got out for a few minutes this afternoon and edged 3- 14' LE Ash slabs and resawed one 2X10 down to a 2X8 to fill an order for a few 2X8s for the window frames and such for an on-going cabin build for a many times repeat customer. Then I sawed the small 10' spruce log on the loading arms into 6 - 2X4s. I forgot and covered them up before I took an "After" picture.
I went out late afternoon and showed Ruth the sawmill and sawed one small 8' long poplar upper log to demo the mill. I sawed 5- 2X4s and a couple of 2X6s to use for stock or with my new bin project. Nothing fancy but she got to see how the mill works and got pictures and video to show her folks back in Norway and such.
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Milled 2x4's and 1x8's pine and hemlock for a friends project. worked till noon yesterday and this morning. Heat wave in the afternoon.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 05, 2023, 05:14:45 PM
I went out late afternoon and showed Ruth the sawmill and sawed one small 8' long poplar upper log to demo the mill. I sawed 5- 2X4s and a couple of 2X6s to use for stock or with my new bin project. Nothing fancy but she got to see how the mill works and got pictures and video to show her folks back in Norway and such.
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Who is Ruth?
You are obviously not following my Norway Invades WV thread over in the General topics.
She is our Norwegian daughter. A former foreign exchange student from Norway who spent the 1991-1992 school year living with us. She has been back many times to visit and we have been over to see her several times but it has been 11 years since her last trip here and I did not have the sawmill at that time so I wanted her to see it.
Today is her birthday and she flies back home tomorrow so we all just left a huge dinner at the Cheesecake Factory.
We have had a great time and the grandkids who have just met her love her already.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 06, 2023, 08:46:36 PM
You are obviously not following my Norway Invades WV thread over in the General topics.
Howard,
Maybe you can take time out of your busy schedule and post a link here for us that are not informed. Curious folks want to know!!!
hugs, Brandi
Ask and ye shall receive. See below.
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My tractors at a logging job and I couldn't work at it so I maneuvered my mill around to see how it did manually loading logs (at another job) with
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the winch. I had to spin a couple at an angle to get it to reach a bunk and thought I'd share how I did it
That is too much sweat equity for me. I am sure you had fun.
hugs, Brandi
It actually went pretty smoothly. Spinning to get those first cuts though, not so easy
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I am scheduled to saw the ERC seen on the right Monday and Tuesday if needed. I have already sawed all of the SYP logs on the left.
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Another view. I have no idea about the cut list, but probably 1" X up to 12".
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I have no idea what he will do with these cut-offs. Stuff like this is my normal so I am smiling. :)
Lynn, I gotta ask you a question: With all the cedar you have sawn, how do you find blade life compared to other species. I have only done a little ERC and felt that the band was very long given clean logs. Since we usually buck off the (inevitable) rot on the bottom of the butt log most logs are quite clean.
What's you sense of blade life on this wood?
ERC is my second worst blade killer that I saw second only to seasoned Walnut. The silica in ERC is very abrasive to blades and I can seldom go past 10:00 without a blade change. Yes, I saw much ERC but it is my least favorite to saw.
I suspect that this whack will produce some good quality lumber.
MM, that's interesting. I have incense cedar (think pencils not made in China) and I can go all day on a blade.
See You taught me something else. Do you know if the silica is just prevalent in the area, or if it is within the wood as a mineral? I am wondering if it is regionally dependent.
I have no idea whether is is regional.
If you saw too long with a blade it may still saw but the teeth will be rounded.
ERC is also murder on planer blades. In the sunlight you can see the reflective glimmer of the silica in the wood.
It's the same here.
When I cut ERC here, it is like I am cutting butter. I haven't cut as much as MM, but I change the blade to start the next order.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: ljohnsaw on September 07, 2023, 08:32:53 PM
MM, that's interesting. I have incense cedar (think pencils not made in China) and I can go all day on a blade.
Much different from ERC. Eastern red cedar is a juniper, I believe. Juniperus virginiana
Incense cedar is Calocedrus decurrens
May or may not have anything to do with silicone in the wood.
LJ ERC is much more like the Juniper you see over that way, technically it is a Juniper.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on September 07, 2023, 08:44:03 PM
See You taught me something else. Do you know if the silica is just prevalent in the area, or if it is within the wood as a mineral? I am wondering if it is regionally dependent.
I think there are 2 things. One is how abrasive a wood is, and silica content IN the wood would affect that. The other is sand in the bark, because of the dust that's blowing around in the area. Silica is a common element on the earth and soil, and especially in sandy areas. Silica is basically "glass", so it's pretty hard and effective as a sandpaper.
Most cedars are pretty soft and easy to cut, so a blade goes a pretty good distance, and will still cut cedar when it would be smoking on harder wood.
For me, sawing ERC is a game all of it's own. If the logs are not knotty, blade sharpness doesn't matter much to avoid waves. Walnut will cause waves after a couple of hours, but ERC just keeps on sawing flat.
The problem is that if you saw all day, the blade's teeth will be seriously rounded and getting them back to sharp will take some attention by the resharpening person.
This could sorta answer John and Brandi's experience sawing all day with one blade. I usually use at least 2 and preferably 3 blades per day to avoid killing my blades.
Lynn,
I have never sawn over 3 or 4 ERC logs at a time. So this all makes sense to me.
hugs, Brandi
The very first ERC job that I sawed had over 100 logs in it, but no picture. Many years before cellphones, I did not take any pictures.
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This was later for the same customer and after that I went back several times each year and sawed many hundreds of ERC logs. 2009.
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Another time in 2011.
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One of many trailer loads, 2016.
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ERC lumber with squared slabs in the background, 2016.
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Off loading the lumber onto a gooseneck trailer to be hauled to Good Soil, Saskatchewan, Canada. From there it was loaded onto a boat which carried it to a remote hunting/fishing camp building site.
Lynn,
At that documents you ARE the ERC expect!!!
hugs, Brandi
At that time in May, 2016, he was my largest customer, but that was the last time that I sawed for him. He bought a sawmill and I told him that there was one option that he failed to get on it.......me.
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
hugs, Brandi
Couple weeks ago my neighbors standing dead Ash tree fell in a storm over the property line. It had rotted at the base but by about 4 feet up it was solid. No bacterial rot either. The portion on our property fell through other trees and across our horse trail. Neighbor offered to come cut and remove, but after looking at it, there were a bunch of snags high up and it was precarious. We had the tree guys working at our place at the time so I told him I'd have them do it. They cut the upper trunk (about 18 feet worth) into 3-4 foot chunks. The main trunk remained on his side. Being that it was solid, I offered to bring my track loader over and remove the solid 13 foot trunk. I did and just got it on the mill tonight and started on it. Will finish tomorrow. Taking a beam out of the center and jacket boards- 5/4 and 10/4. It's a beefy log. I had to bibby the taper at the base.
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Hope to see more pictures after you slice it up
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 06, 2023, 08:46:36 PM
You are obviously not following my Norway Invades WV thread over in the General topics.
She is our Norwegian daughter. A former foreign exchange student from Norway who spent the 1991-1992 school year living with us. She has been back many times to visit and we have been over to see her several times but it has been 11 years since her last trip here and I did not have the sawmill at that time so I wanted her to see it.
Today is her birthday and she flies back home tomorrow so we all just left a huge dinner at the Cheesecake Factory.
We have had a great time and the grandkids who have just met her love her already.
That is great, so nice to have her visit.
I got a call for 4 - 4X4X12 posts for a woodshed build project from a repeat customer so I went up and finished cutting down a big poplar and cut a 12' log off and dragged it down yesterday. Today I cut it up for the order and the side lumber for framing and siding on my current bin project.
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The ugly 12' poplar log and a small 11' long top from another log.
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Just under 200 bf total from the 2.
I sawed 906bf of ERC in 5 hours today using 2 blades. Six 2" X 12" and the rest was all 1" @ various widths.
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This morning's sawing was stickered during lunch.
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This afternoon's sawing off to the stickering shed.
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Next a crooked log tried to get Sassy.
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This water snake tried to identify as a tree snake and lost the battle with the saw blade. :-\
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Seven SYP logs for tomorrow morning to be sawed into framing lumber. We will easily finish in a couple of hours.
Lynn,
I drool every time I see those straight relatively soft pine logs with no knots on one of your posts especially knowing they will be thick long framing instead of knotty 4/4 siding jobs like I tend to get all the time. ;)
Those are beetle killed trees. Sorta look above in the last picture and you will see that I am set up in a Pine Plantation. Maybe I can remember to take a few pictures tomorrow.
We are having a widespread pine beetle kill this year which means that the sawmill business will be really popping next year. Landowners will have trees that they can not sell so they will have lumber sawn that they do not need.
It's raining and I am doing quotes for the next 2 months and reading back a few pages here. I'd load up some photos but my camera is all foggy for some reason, time for a new case cover.
Howard, if I had kept up to date I Would have told you to look at the 150 fuse. It's my go to fuse when things shut down like that. It was better on the old 93 as there were aluminum bars and very easy to see if they were melted in half.
It took me a while to learn disconnect that negative cable from the battery before touching anything electrical.
Interesting that yours blew without you doing electric work. Makes me think also that maybe you have a bare wire touching some where.
Stephen,
Mine failed while running the mill. A stick jammed and choked the engine down and it popped that fuse rather than simply tripping the breaker as I would have expected. Easy fix and now I know where the spare fuse is located in the battery box if it ever happens again. There was close to 1400 hours on the mill when it blew so not a common thing at least for me.
Quarter sawn water snake! I'll bet there's limited demand for that!
Toured Tryon Palace, the colonial governors' residence and colonial capital of NC today. They discouraged photos but most of the floors was 5-6" quarter sawn pine.
The building burned in 1798, after the capital was moved to Raleigh. It was rebuilt in 1950's.
Other buildings in the area survived. One is the George W. Dixion home. It had the original pine floors. They appeared very similar to the palace floors.
BTW, "palace" was a derogatory term for the "government house" coined by colonists who were taxed for its construction.
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I finished sawing this job this morning with 3 hours sawing and 643bf. This gave this job a total of 1550bf sawed in 8 hours and the customer added an $80 tip.
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I did remember to take a picture for Howard showing the limbless trees. Today's 7 logs came from two trees with the largest butt being 16" and the smallest top being 11". Yup, tall and straight with virtually no taper.
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The Saker Mini-Chainsaw was brought into action this morning removing this hinge "snag" that was left on the log.
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That is the smooth cut below the saw bar. Very nice!!
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A guide roller stopped rolling this morning. I felt a sorta roughness when I put the blade on but it was turning freely. Freely, but not for long. It stopped turning before I finished the first log. That guide is only about a year old and was only slightly smaller than the new so I will replace the bearing and give it another chance when either needs replacing again.
Finished a job today. 28 logs in 11 hrs. Red and white pine. Some were marginal in size but was charging by the hour and the customer understood. Didn't get any lumber pics because the customer had tarped the stacks for rain. Mostly 2x and 1x material.
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Sounds/looks like you had a very productive sawing job. 8)
I sawed today. I sawed this Water Oak stump, level, after the trees guys left.
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It died real quick in this heat. The limbs went over the house, over the hi line, over the propane tank and over were I parked my truck.
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I did tear down the deck roof to drop the limbs over the house. But it was long overdue and needed a roof/eve redesign.
hugs, Brandi
@fluidpowerpro (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=55416) You must be wasted! 11 hours on the mill and I'd have to take the next day off and do nothing to try to recover. I try to keep it to 6 hours in a session so I'm not messed up the next day. I'm only sawing for myself though. Good job!
I agree BB , I try to limit to 6 hrs , otherwise I'm done the next day and not much happens.
Nice clean and level site Fluidpro. I like those 8)
My pile of non merchantable long butts and white speck logs is still growing for my sawmill. Some will probably just be firewood but there's going to be a lot I can mill
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Quote from: Brad_bb on September 13, 2023, 09:52:57 PM
@fluidpowerpro (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=55416) You must be wasted! 11 hours on the mill and I'd have to take the next day off and do nothing to try to recover. I try to keep it to 6 hours in a session so I'm not messed up the next day. I'm only sawing for myself though. Good job!
Sorry, should have clarified. 8 hrs first day and day off for rain. Then 3 hrs the next morning.
Still good. thumbs-up
A guy called me this afternoon with one 12' Red Oak log to saw. The back story was that he planted the tree 40 years ago and then inadvertently let fire get too close and killed it. He wanted it sawed into lumber for sentimental reasons. I told him that my minimum was $400 and his log would only yield about half that. He is an 85 year old retired school teacher and 11 miles away so I told him that I would come a saw it for $200. I know, but sometime we just do stuff because we can. :)
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28" butt and 26" top end.
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I did not count nor scale the lumber which was all 1X8's with one 3X8 plus stickers. I was there almost exactly 2 hours and he handed me $300. Not a bad afternoon when I was not planning on doing anything. ;D
It is OK and good to reward those that have given to the community most of their lives, like a teacher. you know he appreciated it with a tip. you got 3/4 of what you would have charged and the satisfaction of knowing what it meant to him. that is worth another hundred in my book.
Nice job MM. That is some nice oak lumber to, not a knot in it. I bet he appreciated your services immensely. :)
An old man told me years ago, "you can scare a Red Oak to death". I've since found out he was right, and it doesn't take much fire, not very close to a Red Oak to kill it.
That tree was a lot older than 40...
Keep in mind where it grew.
I've got a 40 year old white oak. It's about 40 feet tall and just shy of 20" at 4.5 feet from the stump end (DBH). And up north out of it's natural range. It's a New Hampshire tree, growing in New Brunswick. No doubt a MS oak is double the height and girth. I've got a red oak beside it, which is a native tree, that is as old and no bigger.
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on September 15, 2023, 01:53:38 PMThat tree was a lot older than 40...
Zoom in and you will see that is has 3/8" to 1/2" growth rings. He knows how old it was because he set it out when he build his home.
You are a nice guy MM.
remember "no good deed goes unpunished" :D
I guess they grow a lot faster down there. A 40 yr old red oak up here in MN would be about 1/3 - 1/2 that diameter.
I've got a soft spot for young people who hustle, work hard and have dreams.
A young couple, 35 ish, has created an agri-tourism business and venue not far from my home.
Yesterday was one of their Farm Fest Days. Austin asked me to bring the mill and saw a few logs as a demonstration. So I did.
I talked to a lot of nice people but the activities were mostly geared for children which meant mostly young families aka they don't know why they might need to hire a portable sawmill, yet
I sawed mostly pine sticks, the largest was 16" SED. Lots of 1x6 roof sheathing
I still need to perfect my cup holder/umbrella holder but my Robo Cup Holder worked well enough. It has threaded inserts in the bottom to allow the umbrella to go all the way through. A bungee cord kept the breeze from lifting it.
The only serious concern was the radiator getting poked by the ends of the umbrella bows. If I raise the umbrella a little that problem will be corrected
Since the log supply was limited, I mostly puttered around at sawing so the logs would last all day. I may have cut 500 board feet.
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Quote from: SawyerTed on September 17, 2023, 06:01:17 AMI talked to a lot of nice people but the activities were mostly geared for children
Congrats, I love to watch the children's awe and they will never forget the experience. :P
I love to do demos like that but the biggest hassle is taking the logs to the site then having to come back on another trip and remove the lumber and slabs. I'd much rather some non-profit group bring the logs and I'll saw them for free and let them keep the lumber and usually they have members who can use the slabs for kindling or bonfires and such.
Glad you were able to help out your friends.
In this case I asked the customer to supply the logs. He kept the lumber. My "compensation" is deer corn and apples.
He and his wife have a growing agri-tourism business. The trade is fair enough to suit me. I didn't have a paying job anyway.
Sawing cedar for interior window and door trim in a log home. My customer is a several times repeat customer.
I'm still sorting through leftovers from when I had the LT 35. Some of this was cut from 8x8 and 6x6 posts that haven't sold. Some was cut from logs I've had for about 2 years.
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Looks like pretty good cedar from here.
My burn pile is getting bigger every time I saw here at home. Cannot burn 🔥 as it is so dry. I seriously don't even remember when it rained her enough to count as rain.
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I see a few bird houses in there. call the local boy scouts and see if they want it for camp wood. they can come and pick it up with a leader/dad running a chainsaw. I would not do the craigs list thing but see if some neighbors have firepits.
Some Cherry.....
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Wow! That is some beautiful wood.
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Been a while since I could post in thus thread 🤣 but hey! I finally can 😁
At least you have some dry weather. We've had about 6" rain in the last 8 days, most is not off Lee. :D
I could take some rain 😉
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Took this big poplar down yesterday. Got 7 8'6 sticks out of it, 22" smallest diameter. Don't know what the small tree on the lower right is, leaves look like cherry but bark and wood don't. Poplar knocked it down so it is a bonus cut!
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Loaded on the EZ Boardwalk 40, all manual. Marked, ready to cut!
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Cut 3 sticks, got 315 bd ft finished into 2x10x48", sealed the ends, done for the day. Probably finish this job tomorrow, need about 550 bd ft total.
Pretty wood. Why 48"?
That's what the customer wanted :)
Well I was a big sawyer after work today. Dad had a 5' piece of 12x12 cedar left over from my Grandma's porch posts. He's making her shutters for her front window. I sawed it straight through and got 10 ea 1x12x5. It took longer to clean all the stuff off the mill and get the piece loaded than it did to cut.
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Troy,
Great reason.
I had a customer one time who wanted a bunch of red oak logs cut into 5/4 for stair treads. He was going to bring them to me but they were too heavy to load with his equipment so he cut them in half and brought them to me. He did not realize my loading arms were 5' apart. I finally got a suggestion from someone here and made a cradle/sling using a couple of 6' long 1/4" chains and was able to load them but I told him next time to just call me and I'd bring the mill the 15 miles to his site and saw them as 8' and he could shorten them afterwards.
DWyatt,
I get customer bring me stuff like that periodically to resaw and often tell them no charge especially if it is the first time. They often tip plenty for the work or come back later with bigger jobs. I never lose out on such work.
Got my SkyTrak back online so back to milling. I used my Ford 545D to load up a 16.5' x ~20" pine a couple weeks back. That was about the limit it could do. I milled it into mostly 2x8's for the roof deck.
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Yesterday and today I loaded up a 33' x ~28" pine. Slabbed off 2" and cut them down to 16.5' for easier handling.
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Lots of wide slabs and one 8x15x33' beam.
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Just for fun I flipped a pair of slabs off the back side of the mill. Put a sling on it and first lift it was pretty well balanced!
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Pile of roof decking is growing.
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Started a second log before it got dark. Hoping to produce 4 beams this week.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 19, 2023, 09:16:22 PMHe was going to bring them to me but they were too heavy to load with his equipment so he cut them in half and brought them to me.
I cut the logs 8'6, then after milling cut to 4' on radial arm saw with stop block. I did have to move the mill back a little farther under the shed because the logs did not line up well with the support bunks. Once I had it aligned correctly the logs roll off the platform and line up nicely with the support bunks. That was a lot easier than loading all the logs on the mill with the grapple.
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Troy,
Great reason.
I had a customer one time who wanted a bunch of red oak logs cut into 5/4 for stair treads. He was going to bring them to me but they were too heavy to load with his equipment so he cut them in half and brought them to me. He did not realize my loading arms were 5' apart. I finally got a suggestion from someone here and made a cradle/sling using a couple of 6' long 1/4" chains and was able to load them but I told him next time to just call me and I'd bring the mill the 15 miles to his site and saw them as 8' and he could shorten them afterwards.
I place 2 2x6 boards 6' long on the loading arms and then load the short logs on to them. A simple cradle that works.
Nice sawing guys.
Quote from: ljohnsaw on September 20, 2023, 02:21:02 AMLots of wide slabs and one 8x15x33' beam.....Hoping to produce 4 beams this week.
It's good to see your support equipment back into operation John, and you turning out some much needed lumber and beams before your Winter shutdown.
Stephen,
I've used boards to make such a cradle also. Usually a waste slab or two laying on top of the pile but when I have several to do I use the chains because they don't slide off as easily. Also I often have to put a board/slab perpendicular to the cradle to keep the short log from falling out int he gap over the tire when lifting.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 20, 2023, 08:31:57 AM
Stephen,
I've used boards to make such a cradle also. Usually a waste slab or two laying on top of the pile but when I have several to do I use the chains because they don't slide off as easily. Also I often have to put a board/slab perpendicular to the cradle to keep the short log from falling out int he gap over the tire when lifting.
Two boards/planks to make the log cradle and one to span the gap (over the tire) when the loader arms are up.
That's what I always did.
Jim Rogers
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I decided to start on some door frames for my storage shed so I bucked this 10' log off the top of a dead spruce I cut and dragged down off the mountainside a couple weeks ago. I cut 4 2X4s out of it which is what I need for the 2 doors that are ready to place.
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Here are the 2 frames I've started with the 2X4s from the log and some short stock poplar. One is 5' wide and the one top is 46" wide. I cut some 10" 45's for corner braces. Now I just need to put the sheeting on the front and hang them. The sheeting will extend 12" above the top of the door frame and about 8" below. The bottom door has a couple of pieces of sheeting applied and I will apply the rest once I have hung them to keep the weight down. I need to buck another 12' log off a big poplar I have on the ground just outside the pasture to finish the doors and covering the front of my shed.
It seems like someone on the FF coined the name Denim Pine for blue stained pine a number of years ago. Too bad they didn't copyright the name! They'd be rich by now with all the royalties from HD and Lowe's. ;)
In that vein, I've discovered a new variant while milling today! But I can't decide on the name for it. So, I'll put it to the Design Committee. I'm trusting you guys not to file a copyright before me and make off with my money maker.
I've never seen this pattern. Except for the center beam, nearly all the jacket boards have this. This is gonna look great on the bedroom ceiling.
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So, I'm thinking either Blue Dalmatian, Denim Dalmatian or Dalmatian Denim.
After I make my first million, I'll start a logging company and see how long the money lasts! ;)
And the pile grows, almost 6 foot tall. The part below the bottom stick is from the one 16.5' log, the other two sections on top are from the side wood from making the beams.
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The last log yielded 880 bd-ft, 330 of that in the beam. The previous log got a little more.
ljohnsaw
Think I heard the name Denim pine when in Forestry school in the 50's. Not a "new" term.
Prolly been around before that time too. But it fits, so it sticks.
FF was first I read it from. We always called it blue stained pine and it was mostly considered reject. Mother had some white pine sawed for cupboards. It was cut in winter but laid into the summer before sawing. It never got to make cupboards. :D
I get that a lot in EWP just under the sapwood, but I cut a lot of logs that have been laying a while. I think it looks nice one it is planed out if there are few knots.
I would call it variegated pine or denim patch pine. It's either a 'hate it or love it' kind of thing and yours there is nice and consistent.
Sawed 1400 bf out of these cypress tops for duck blind material. Not very stable stuff for sure. The tops came from trees that were on a 30 acre section of land on the Homochitto River. The cypress timber sold for $480,000. That is $16000 per acre. The guy I sawed for was the forester who coordinated the sale. He said that's the most per acre he has ever dealt with.
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Those Cypress "pecker poles" turned out nicely Craig. It is sometime amazing what can be squeezed out of nothing.
I am still messing with some ERC. Mostly junky stuff but I saw what the customer has. ;D
John,
I'm thinking "Denim Patchwork". (Just take it off my royalties for the shed bin project.)
What about the next grade up buck shot denim?
Some pricey duck blind right there... :)
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I cut this big poplar tree a couple of weeks ago. It is just outside my pasture and on a small bench (flat area). I went up today to buck a 12' log off it for my shed walls and doors.
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That's a 24" bar and the leaf is the 12' mark. The log turned out to be about 19" SED and cut like butter. I cut straight down and just tapped a felling wedge in to keep the cut open.
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There is still a good 35-40 ft remaining past the leaf on the log at the bottom of the picture. I'll buck and haul it when I need it. This was a heavy load for my little JD 750 but it came down the hill with no problems.
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On the loading arms and ready to saw. I started having power feed problems and tripping the breaker about half way through sawing this log. It was intermittent and happened going and on return and not at the same spot and did not see bark or sticks in the track so I'll have to chase that down. I have a new drum switch but this one is not very old.
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210 bf of mostly 1X12s. A few I'll trim to 10' because of wane on that end. Plenty to do the rest of the front of my shed.
New personal best today. Est 1500 bf in 7 hrs. Mostly white pine with a few red pine. Good tailgunners and big logs make a difference. Will be back tomorrow to saw more. Tree service guy but so far no nails.
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Sawed a maple log today. Top blew off 2-3 years ago so I sawed it down and left on the ground. I was working down there and it was in my way so hauled it to the mill. It had some rot in the middle so I almost did not saw.
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Didn't quite finish the third log. Still need to edge up the side wood.
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My arms were done after stacking up the 2x8x16.5 planks. There's a few 2x6s in there, too.
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Three down, one to go! (Next week)
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Looking good John....very good. 8)
Great work. I like the pile of stickered lumber
Long time customer brought me 3 Sweetgum logs for 1 inch live edge. This is the first log's 9 boards with weight on them left overnight.
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hugs, Brandi
Finished sawing for the tree service guy. Must have been lucky because didn't hit any nails. Did hit one backstop though. The guy also has a few nice Mopars.
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We had a 1972 Duster that was totalled in 1972 or 1973. Was not a fun car to ride in the back seat.
I remember the black vinyl of our Duster, what fun to sit on in the summer.
When I helped my best repeat customer move to his new house a few years ago, he had two 80's dodge pickups, a 66 Coronet (with a race motor), a 71 dart swinger, and what I think was a 72 Duster. The Duster was a "project" that he had taken apart down to the shell, and in hundreds of pieces scattered all throughout the garage. He knew what every part was, and insisted he would build the car and have it running. As I was loading up all the pieces, I asked him how long the car had been a "work in progress"... 19 years. :D
Sold a bunch of giant oak slabs today. Sequenced from one log at 16 feet long and 3 to 6 feet wide. Black oak.
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Please freshen my (our) memories. What are you cutting the 6 foot wide slabs with?
hugs, Brandi
Of all the mills I have owned, this is a dedicated Lucas slabber. I think it is the second one down from the largest. Reliable, no frills and always gets the job done.
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Must be fairly dry or you do not leave them laying in the sun very long.
Beautiful slabs.
The oak slabs have been air dried for 3 years in covered storage. Yesterday was pay day.... :)
TPT, three year old dry oak plus a manual feed slabber plus leaning into it = you earned the payday.
And the aspirin ! :D
Had a 26"x6' white oak log on my log deck half the summer.It has finally cooled down around here and I decided to cut it into some 2" slabs for future projects.I've got some walnut I'm wanting to saw but this log had to be gotten out of the way first.Wouldn't be much of a job on a hydraulic mill but it was about all I wanted on this one.Got a few nice slabs and a nice quarter sawn 5"x10" off one side of the center.
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Burls.
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My customer the custom woodworker brought some black cherry burls to saw up. Cut everything into 3/4" slices, bark, swirly grain, rubbery gum pitch and all. ;D
This is more like; "what's da Preacher gonna saw"?
Recently I had two customers that trimmed their logs back and also discarded everything that would not easily make the cut list. My Preacher has bought a Norwood sawmill for hobby use and does not have a readily available supply of logs so....
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First I picked these ERC "logs" up and then...
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Added these Walnut cut-offs. I delivered them this morning and made my Preacher very happy.
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Tree service was at my place cleaning up storm damage a few weeks ago. They piled up the wood so I could cut it into Firewood. There was a silver maple log in the pile that was straight and nearly clear. I've never cut silver maple because it's no use to me for timber framing. Today I said what the heck I'll go ahead and mill it to see what it looks like. I could see spots on the end that made me think it was ambrosia streaked. I cut all 5/4 Boards. I think next time I have a clear log like this I'll mill it.
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I wanted to test my repairs after my last sawing tripped the breaker due to the power feed. I removed the feed unit and moved the cam follower bearing next to the sprocket 2 washers closer to the mill so the chain ran more in the center. I grabbed this 5' long 3/4 White Oak log. The other quarter was cut out because it was too heavy for my little JD tractor/FEL. I cut it into 1" X 1" tomato stakes.
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I got about 160 stakes out of this log and a 10" log I forgot to photograph. Total yield as 135 5' long stakes, 12 4' stakes and 12-13 rejects that failed the "Whack-a-mole" test I use when there is a knot or suspicious looking spot. I'll sell these for about $170 next spring and they will all sell.
Last time my mill started intermittent tripping off after about half an hour of run time. I used exactly on hour run time on these and the breaker did not trip but the log was shorter and I had to cut a little slower because the wood was harder so I am not 100% convinced of my fix and I'll saw a few more logs before taking it on a mobile job. I need to do my 50 hour service in 2.5 run hours anyway.
JMoore and I were planning to saw some cypress for a small order this morning. We were able to find enough cypress that was left over from previous orders to fill this one. We quartersawed a short laurel oak log that had been lying around for a few months. As with all short logs, it was a pain. Part of it was hollow and full of dirt, so we sawed around that.
We also had a couple of wolfy slash pine logs that we slabbed. I was hoping for more blue stain, but they needed to be sawn.
Last month we bought a sharpener and setter. Today we used a blade that I sharpened last weekend. It impressed us with how it performed. The extra set seemed to help saw the knotty pine really flat.
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Today was a poplar and pine siding job.
1Mbft of poplar and pine 3/4"x8"x12 ½'.
There was nothing special about the logs or the lumber except it only took about 5 hours.
Customer slowed me down because he stepped in to off bear before the board return could be used. :( Even after I told him not to. He's paying so I quit try to speed him up. :o :D
I bet we could have done it all in 3 hours if the board return could have been used and he had a second helper. He was carrying the siding about 50 feet to the stack and was placing and cutting stickers as he went.
The 36 hp Yanmar diesel is a very noticeable upgrade from the 25 hp Kohler.
We did find two screws with the blades. That's after removing about 5 from one log.
Having to work out a few bugs on the mill. It did not hunt for the setting using Auto Down or Pattern Mode. But it did develop a small hydraulic leak in the box.
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Exotic wood for here....White Pine, 16 footer. Going to make a ridge beam for my cabin by the pond project, and whatever dimensional lumber it holds..
Cutting some 8/4 red oak for trailer decking for my neighbor that I will install on his trailer. Will finish up tomorrow.
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That is some nice looking lumber. But do yourself and your neighbor a favor and use the Red Oak for something else and use White Oak for trailer decking.
hugs, Brandi
Ya I know red oak isn't ideal for trailer decking but no white oak in our area. Red is still fairly durable and lasts ok once it's treated with drain oil.
We aren't blessed with an abundance of white oak up here like areas farther south. We have Bur oak, which is a white oak. It can be really hard to get ahold of bur oak saw timber, and I have decent connections.
I always tell people, red oak is just as good as white oak- when you don't have any white oak😊
I have heard that half diesel and half ATF works very well also.
hugs, Brandi
One of the benefits (I choose to be an optimist here😁) of living in the Frozen North, is that everything is frozen for half the year, and therefore not rotting.
50/50 ATF/Diesel is my go to for lubing the mill, cleaning pitch off of blades, lubing chains on the firewood processor, and whatever else comes to mind😊 Might as well spray it on the trailer deck as well👍
FPP, is that your mini-skid? I've thought one of those would be handy around the mill and processor, mainly for the fact that you don't have to crawl inside them like a regular skid loader. That gets old, especially with the firewood processor. You're constantly in and out of the machine.
Yes, its model 1 of 1. I built it about 15 years ago. It is very handy at the mill and for every thing else I do. Not a day goes by that I don't use it.
Well if you built it yourself, that makes it 10x cooler yet!
Quote from: barbender on October 06, 2023, 10:30:15 AM
One of the benefits (I choose to be an optimist here😁) of living in the Frozen North, is that everything is frozen for half the year, and therefore not rotting.
One of the benefits down here is I can leave my water hose out all year. 8)
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: barbender on October 06, 2023, 01:50:29 PM
Well if you built it yourself, that makes it 10x cooler yet!
Plus then you have the fun of building attachments. In addition to bucket and forks, I've built a stump grinder, post hole auger, backhoe, brush cutter, snow blower and snow plow. I like building things that use hydraulics.
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on October 06, 2023, 07:40:17 PM
Quote from: barbender on October 06, 2023, 01:50:29 PM
Well if you built it yourself, that makes it 10x cooler yet!
Plus then you have the fun of building attachments. In addition to bucket and forks, I've built a stump grinder, post hole auger, backhoe, brush cutter, snow blower and snow plow. I like building things that use hydraulics.
I loved that mini skid steer since the first time you posted a picture of it. Don't recall what post it was but I thought it was pretty sweet. Well done sir.
Brent
Today, was another demonstration day and sales day at the local Farm Fest. I sold about 2 dozen cookies at $3 each and $5 for two, some cedar live edge slabs and talked to close to 100 people.
I mostly cut 1x8 1x6, 1x4 pine. All were 12' long. It was pretty routine and just to show mill operations. The customer was paying in corn and apples for the deer so production wasn't a big priority.
A lot of interested folks stopped by and talked sawmills and sawing. About 50 took cards and maybe 5 to 10 were serious.
What wasn't routine was the one Walnut log. It came from a tree another customer bought. That customer culled the log. I sawed 2 other logs from the walnut tree for the purchaser of the tree
Todays customer was the original owner of the tree. He brought he cull log.
Here's what it made - four slabs 26-28" wide. Two are 3 ½, two are 4 ½. Today's customer was running the Farm Fest including a corn maze, pumpkin picking patch, apple cannon and a draft horse pull among other stuff. So he wasn't available to give much guidance on the mantles he wanted. So I decided to err in the side of caution and leave them live edge. We can rip them any time.
One other little job came up too. A man restoring a 1963 Grady White (wooden) boat. He needed a 2 7/8 x 17 x 12' piece of African Mahogany resawn into 3 pieces. He wanted two as close to 1" as possible. There's no telling what that piece of lumber was worth.
It's the last photo.
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Looks like a great day, Ted.
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Finally had time to replace the power feed module (see other thread) and get back to milling. These are 14ft 2X6, Hemlock.
My nephew is building a building at his pool.
In started a job for a "many times" repeat customer this morning.
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I counted 24 logs and then the customer skidded some more up from somewhere. Anyway, the cut list is 12: 8X8's, 20: 4X8's, 100: 2X4's, and 25: 2X6's. The lengths range from 8' to 14', but 6 of the 4X8's are 21'. I'll probably have to remove the rubber from the bumpers to get those. We are making progress but I doubt that he has enough logs.
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) At least they look straight, clear, and they do roll.
Yes, Tommy is a Forester and always has good logs.
We will take the Operator's Seat off first thing this morning and saw the 21 footers. ;D
If them logs were dogs they'd have nothin' to say. running-doggy
(No bark). ;D
No pictures yet but I did finish the 21' stuff this morning and should finish the job tomorrow.
The customer is having a bit of trouble getting/keeping tailgunners. Fall break is over today and the students have to go back to school tomorrow.
I finished this job this morning, but I did not finish his cut list. He ran out of logs so I will be back. This many times repeat customer is building a new home. ;D
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Mostly timbers and 1X6's.
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Various lengths of 2X4's. The total sawed was 3,246bf in about 15 hours.
As a note, I sawed all of the timbers and lumber to build the barn/tractor shed seen in the background. The following 3 pictures were taken in 2013 during the construction.
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This is my 12th year to saw for this customer. ;D
Had a need to saw a bunch of 1x from a pile of logs that i had left over. So I hired a local guy with his Timberking to come help me out.
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We got off to a slow start due to rain this morning, but still managed to get about 1000 feet after lunch. He's coming back tomorrow to saw the rest. Probably another 8 hours will get it.
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I cut some nice red oak this weekend , 26 1/2" wide.
I also cut a stack of clear pine 16"-22" wide.
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Very nice Sir. thumbs-up
Needed a 2"x6" to replace a treated one on my utility trailer which was rotted.Had a 5"x6" quarter sawn beam I thought might make a nice mantle one of these days but really no use for it so I cut three 2"x6"s out of it.Grain really shows up nicely so I kept the best two to add to my wood collection which is starting to get out of hand :laugh:
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Red Pine......
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That log in the background will be on the mill later today. It is "On Deck", as I have the Butt Log loaded now.....
Purdy lumber but also Purdy Leaves. :)
Thanks, Lynn. My wife has been picking up the really bright ones to save..
I used to hear a song titled "When the Sumac is on fire", and it always reminded me of this time of year. This year however, every Maple is also on fire....
Hey, if there's a club that takes "Member of the Timbery Coupl'a Dozen BF Club", I'd like to join.
This was yesterday's view to the north....
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Our trees are really screwed up this year. A freeze in late March that froze/killed the first leaves causing the trees to produce another leaf crop. Couple that with the severe drought this Summer that has stressed/killed many trees. Our Black Gum trees always show our first color, but they have already dropped.
Of course we have not had any cooler weather so I have no idea what our leaves will do.
We will leave for Colorado next week, but this late all/most of the Cottonwoods and Aspens will have dropped.
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011)
If you want some of these Purdy Maple Leaves, just mark up that pic with the ones you want, and I'll send 'em to you....
In fact, I can send you a Truckload!
You Sir are a Bad Man. :D
We sawed a few small beams for a new customer Saturday morning before working on repacking steering rams. While looking for good beams in old logs, we found some blue pine.
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These came from slash pine.
Not sawing yet, but got a mission lined up this evening. Neighbour of a guy I did some milling for last year, and turns out his daughter worked with Lil for a while. He messaged me about getting some logs milled, and I said I'd call past and see what he had, and work out what we could do. You know to keep your expectations realistic.. :D
Anyway, he did have actual logs. ;) The big one here is a 4m x 1m Monterey Cypress. Good stuff. And the 2 smaller ones are Coast Redwood, so useful as well.
The District Council took them down when they put a new water main across the stream at the back of his property. He wasn't that happy about it, but the nearby city pretty much lost water for a couple of days when a tree fell on an exposed water main where it bridged a stream. So the local council didn't want to take any chances. The trees are all introduced exotics, and not legally protected in any way. Anyway, we will be able to salvage some good wood from them at least.
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The "2nds" pile is mostly Japanese cedar (Sugi), so hopefully we can get into some of that as well.
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Now I have to go and do some repairs on the mill that I've been putting off. :-\
Been mill'in a few hundred feet of 4/4 X 15" X10' Doug-Fir for a barn project for a fella from town before the weather runs cold for the season.
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It's good to see you clicking along Dave.
I'll wave when we go through Canon City next Wednesday. smiley_wavy
Just finished up sawing 2 days for an old friend I met in 7th grade. Mostly 1x with some live edge slabs and 3 fireplace mantels. Red and white oak as well as some poplar. Was great hanging out and ADMIN LANGUAGE EDIT about the stuff we pulled when we were kids
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Nice sunsets.
We've had some cypress logs lying around for several months that either needed to be sawn or put into the pond. Some of them had metal from hanging a hammock in someone's yard. We cut around the bolt and chain and sawed some short slabs.
We sawed a couple of 8' logs and then pulled the rear steering cylinders off of the telehandler. They will go to a pro shop on Monday. Hopefully we can get this thing steering properly.
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These slabs have the ripples from sawing slow. I had to wiggle the log/cant to get it to fit between the guides.
That is some unusual looking Cypress.
I agreed to help scouts produce 2" thick ash boards for outdoor benches. That sounds reasonable and un-interesting but keep reading. The material I was to saw was from a large ash trunk (4' dia x 6' long) my church had to cut down about 3 years ago. I told them there was no way I could saw that without it being "trimmed" with a chainsaw to about 24" x 30" so one of the dads got access to a chainsaw and had at it. He produced 2 very irregular blocks measuring about 30" x 23" and 30" x 18" each 6' long and had them delivered via a dump truck. It took about 5 hours to load them on the mill and less than an hour to saw with one change of band. Good thing sawing is a serious hobby for me and not a living. (Made me think of Yellowhammer because I broke one of his most important rules. ;D) Pix follow:
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Putting 1" diameter pipes under them much easier to pull with the 2-line snatch block.
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They just barely fit under the swinging boom when loading.
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They were metal=free but did have sand which I washed off. Boards were better than I expected. Didn't get pics of them because the operation took a lot of focus and concentration, and it was trouble-free and fun.
@kelLOGg (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=3036) Dude, you need a machine with forks, bad!
Why that almost looks like @customsawyer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1861) could've ripped those with his chainsaw😁
Some pieces, knowing what it will be used for makes it worth it.
Quote from: Brad_bb on October 22, 2023, 09:35:33 PM
@kelLOGg (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=3036) Dude, you need a machine with forks, bad!
Maybe I'll get one in my next life but for now, yesterday was the first time i really needed one. Five hours to load?!- that's a one-and-only-one-time effort.
No pictures, no point. It was a ho hum kind of job.
The exciting part was averaging around 300 board feet an hour with just one fair to poor helper. I've marginally mastered the board drag back. I had to hustle.
1,500 board feet (400 ish pieces) of 1x4x12 pine. 200 board feet of 2x4x12.
Customer didn't want anything else but logs would have been ideal for 1x8x12 for board and batten. It was a shame to cut them to 1x4.
And stickers, lots of stickers.
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I got a call late morning from a repeat customer who said he had 13 logs on his trailer he wanted sawed. I told hm bring them on over and he got here about 1:00 pm. He is with his logs. Everything to the left of the LogRite cant hook is his. I'd drag them forward with my ATV and the big oak on the right with my tractor.
There were 10 wormy pines 8' long and one 7' and 2 RO logs. I sawed them all into 1" boards with a few 2X6 & 2X4 out of the last 4 pines. We finished about 7:00 pm with 3.5 engine hours on the mill. Total sawed was exactly 1100 bf. During our stops he looked at my composting toilet and recent floor project in my storage shed and she said he is going to do something similar now and left to put together a cut list for his shed build/renovation project so I think he'll be back or I'll be visiting him pretty soon. I had a very good afternoon sawing with him. Now I have 1401 hours on the mill and am due for the 50 hour service so that is a tomorrow project.
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Oops - almost forgot the "After" picture. Hard to see as we finished in the dark.
Last week, I turned the bottom 20 feet of this White Oak
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It is for 24 foot of flooring on my gooseneck.
I still got 13 feet with the limb fork left.
I have some left over 6 foot logs to make the 4 foot 2x8s.
Also, pretty sure the record 54 days of 100 degree heat killed a bigger White Oak out back.
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I started a 50 hour service on the mill yesterday but ran out of time and was short on 10W30 oil for the oil change and had to go get some more before starting the mill. My sawdust pile was getting in the way so I moved and washed the mill and removed the sawdust (about 20 bucket loads on my FEL) to a low spot I'm filling then set back up and sawed this 12' locust log onto a 4.5"X6" upright for my shed upgrade. I also sawed some 3/4" side lumber to use as framing/formwork for the gravel on my last bay floor project.
My customer 2 days ago looked at my floors I had built and got excited and went home to do some planning and said he'd be back with more logs to saw as now he saw how he could do what he'd been wanting to do.
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A whopping 59 bf in .4 engine hours. I already have the upright installed and there is enough framing to finish my project. I can now hang another door or have something to close against. I have 3 more poles cut for this project and ready to saw. I'll saw the side lumber into 2" LE sleepers to go under the floor on top of the gravel.
EDIT-ADD-ON: I forgot to mention that sawing green locust always reminds me of green peanuts as the smell is the same.
Quote from: Bindian on October 25, 2023, 09:58:11 PM
It is for 24 foot of flooring on my gooseneck.
Brandi,
Do you have a board stretcher to make those 20' boards cover the bottom of your 24' trailer? :D
Howard,
I know it is a stretch for you, but just read down a little farther and you would have seen this that I wrote....................... I have some left over 6 foot logs to make the 4 foot 2x8s.
A family friend asked me a while back if I would saw a couple cedar logs for him for half the lumber.I agreed planning to give him all the lumber as I figure I owe him being he has preached the funerals of several family members including my mothers.I was kind of disappointed after seeing logs but am trying to get all I can.Sawed the best one today which was the smallest and got six 1"x7"x8's.Some punky wood but the best I could do.Put the big one on the mill and am trying to figure out how to get something out of it.
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Well I sawed me up some that looked like that a year and a half ago. I have been using it for builds since last winter. Best I can figure is you mill it best you can as you see it on the bed and once you cut your cant, your are stuck with it, so just mill out the thicknesses you want and let it ride. Some can be trimmed off, some can be ripped down, some can be thinned. But yeah, you get a lot of loss. I do a lot of epoxy fills once I get down to finished product, but I try to minimize it if I can.
It's a frustrating species to work with, but it looks pretty and smells great. I have a hard time getting it, so I deal with what I get and am happy to have it. I use a lot of small pieces for trim and inlays, it's a nice color contrast and so I wind up using just about all I can get. Of course, as I write this, there are some ERC slabs in the woodstove right now heating the shop. ;D Not an once goes to waste.
Man Tom it must be quite a bit cooler there, it's 70 here right now at 9:10 PM and was in the mid 80s the past couple of days, they are saying it's going to get a lot colder this week.
Last couple of days were warm her too. I haven't fired up the shop stove in a few days. Today we got almost and inch of rain and he high was only 52° at midnight and been dropping since and will stay low until at least Thursday when it might hit 50°. They are also calling for some snow this week. Yeah, the season is a-changin'. But it always does, right?
Cedar is always frustrating to saw, and our local White Cedar doesn't have those deep bark inclusions either.
If they are punky in the middle I saw parallel to the bark, to whittle what good boards I can from the outside. I'm still trying to find a good market for the half rotten Washinton Monument shaped piece that is left in the middle 😁
Today cut some 8"x 11"x 24'
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Quote from: barbender on October 29, 2023, 10:08:24 PMWashinton Monument shaped piece
45° the edges and make tapered posts.
If it wasn't for the half rotten part I would be all over that. Well actually, I'd just take a couple of trim cuts and saw it out the rest of the way😊
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I have had these 2 - 8' buckeye logs laying around several months and decided to cut them up for 2X4s for bins in my next bay/floor project. Buckeye has no real value but they should work for this project. My wife said I need to trim Sampson's toenails but I am not sure she meant like this. :D
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My son wanted a short walnut 6X6 to mount one of his signaling canons on and I had this firewood (20" long) piece from a few months ago and decided to go ahead and cut it out for him. It was hard to clamp but I just used the 2X4s and a 1X4 I had cut out of the buckeye to hold it in place.
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Total yield 98 bf (17 - 2X4s, a 1X4 and the 6X6) and all for personal use but only took .7 engine hours and a little labor for stacking.
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I would not mess with logs this big most of the time, this tree fell at the neighbors. It was around 30 inches so it had to be whittled down some. Cut it to a 16 inch cant cut it in half, made a lot of 8 inch siding in a hurry. Two of them made all the siding for my nephews pool cabana.
Curious about why you had to "whittle" a 30" log down? Could you not lower the side supports a bit and roll it toward the mast so that it would clear the blade guide arm?
To me 30" is a high lumber producing "money" log.
My Lucas would be licking its chops over that log. :laugh:
Not sawing anything but I've got several logs ready.My problem was I sawed a little over 300bf of yellow pine for a guy over a year ago.All 1"x4"s and 1"x6" that he was wanting for trim boards for his log house.He paid me and asked if I would mind if he let them dry some before he got them. I agreed even though my shed was about full.About 4 months ago I told him to come and get his lumber because it's in my way and I'm wanting to put a floor in my shed and rearrange my lumber for more room.I offered to deliver lumber to get rid of it but he said road to his house is pretty rough and he would get it.Today I finally got tired of waiting.Rode 4 wheeler up hollow to check out his road which goes mostly up a creek bed.Looked ok so I took lumber up and stacked it on some 2"x4"s I brought with me.No one was home so I guess he'll deal with it when he gets in.I try to be fair with everyone but sometimes it's hard to deal with people.$300 for the lumber was not nearly enough for the aggravation.
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Well Wlmedley you are nicer than me! (I should work on that)
Had a guy last year, "no rush, no hurry, whenever you can get it sawn" - I started sawing his logs within a couple days of me hauling them home, the first morning he shows up an hour after firing up the mill wanting a trailer load of lumber because there was a RUSH and a HURRY :D He stuck around until we had a trailer load and said "no rush, no hurry" on the rest. The next day he wanted the rest of the lumber immediately and would be home if I could deliver it. So I hand stacked most of a dump truck load, nobody at his house. I set down two of the 2x6s and -dumped- the rest of the load on it. See ya later!
Canting up all of the old, grafted walnut logs left in the yard. Some of it is really pretty.
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The thought of sawing logs with graft lines is intriguing to me. To me, it would be like having a Maple something with a tap hole scar in it.
Quote from: Magicman on November 05, 2023, 07:58:57 AM
Curious about why you had to "whittle" a 30" log down? Could you not lower the side supports a bit and roll it toward the mast so that it would clear the blade guide arm?
To me 30" is a high lumber producing "money" log.
I never thought of that because they are manual and if you lower them the log will push them down and roll right over them.
But now that you mentioned it I will look into making something to block them in a lower position.
Thank you, MM
Quote from: Magicman on November 07, 2023, 03:53:43 PM
The thought of sawing logs with graft lines is intriguing to me. To me, it would be like having a Maple something with a tap hole scar in it.
Building with the graft line is even more fun!
Quote from: richhiway on November 07, 2023, 04:49:50 PMI never thought of that because they are manual and if you lower them the log will push them down and roll right over them.
You are correct but even though I have powered side supports I still lay a 2X4, etc. down just in case something bad happens.
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That is cheap insurance to prevent a 4K lb log from rolling off.
@mudfarmer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=27318) people can be that way for sure. Last Sunday a neighbor brought over his neighbors mower deck that had cracked. I don't do for hire welding but told him I would take care of it to help the older widow, as in a favor, no charge. That was mistake #1. The next day he is calling me asking if the deck is ready - nope, haven't even looked at it, mistake #2. When I did look at it I realized I never should have said I would fix it, there was no metal left to fix and the 2" of grass I had to pressure wash off of it was holding it all together. He called or texted at least a half a dozen more times over the course of the week. Saturday evening I paid an employee overtime to stay late and finish up so I could work on that deck. Spent about 2 hours on it, fabbed up parts, burnt rod, explained to my wife that I was aware the employee was on OT. Sunday I get another text "what is the status of Mrs xxx mower deck" - oh now we are all official, the guy is a Sheriff Deputy, well technically a kindergarten cop SRO who can hardly walk. I called him up and asked if the lawn was growing, or a wedding was planned, or just what the rush was and explained that I paid an employee OT the evening before, I was trying to fix air and rust, and that this was in fact a favor. He goes all up one side of me and down the other, starts texting me not to contact him in the future and that his neighbor just needed someone to trust - been drinking much bud? He keeps texting me telling me he has "informed Mrs xxx, that you will be in contact with her regarding her mower deck and you will arrange transportation" - Whatever, I finish the stupid thing yesterday and have three or more hours into it, and drop it off today when I go to vote. Mr Tough guy sees me drive by and does the old head turn - don't see you. Nobody is home at the neighbors place so I put the deck right next to the mower that is there under a tarp. Never heard a thank you or anything.
Done my share of favors for a while.
No good deed goes unpunished lol
Actually I said that to him and I think that was the trigger that set him off.
It sounds like you lost a highly valued friendship there, Southside!😂
Pushy people cause me to shut right down. I've learned to avoid them over the years 😊
We have a neighbor, mid 60's. Her husband passed a way a few years back. She pushes that widow card pretty hard. I will do what I can to help people, but she'll write me asking for something and she wants it done NOW!! One item, she often looks us up wanting us to shovel a path to her propane tank so she can get propane delivery. Needs done "ASAP". I'm mad before I even get started. "Are you out of propane?" "No." "Did you check the tank to see how many % you are at?" "No." I tell her to go out and do that, well it is still over 70% so as it turns out we don't have an emergency after all.
I finally just run over there with the skid steer to plow a path out because I don't have time to mess with shoveling it by hand. Get there and a path is shoveled, I guess she got frantic and had a different neighbor do it🤷
I'm trying to get across to her that she ought to just keep it plowed out in the first place.
The biggest thing is, she's not incapable. She just acts like she is. My Grandmother lived alone and kept her sidewalk cleared from many a Wyoming snowstorm, until she was almost 90. Maybe I expect to much🤷
Southside,It gets worse after you retire.People think they are doing me a favor when they bring stuff up here to work on for free.They say (brought up something to keep you busy).I put up with it awhile mainly because I would have someone to visit with for awhile but I finally had to put a stop to it.People would bring junk up for me to work on but say that they were busy and and couldn't hang around and talk :laugh:
My gosh. Nope, they can bring it to a shop and pay $100/hr to get it fixed.
:D
Sawed a little bit of walnut today after I got the wildlife away from the mill.Built a movable bunk that works pretty good to support log that doesn't quite reach next bunk.(Recommended by Magic Man awhile back, thanks.)Got 3 10'1"x6"s and a2"x6" out of the middle with some nice figure on one end where there was a crotch.Got quite a bit more walnut to saw but just taking my time to get all I can out of it.
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John and I sawed some longleaf logs that came from trees that were blown over during Hurrican Ian last year. They have been lying around for a year, so it was time to saw them. I was surprised how much good lumber was left inside of them. We slabbed a little heavier than normal. We sawed most of the lumber before lunch and then I got a call to get some logs off of a wooded lot that was being cleared for a house.
We took the bumper pull trailer since we did not have but 10 minutes notice and it would have taken much longer to check and air up all of the gooseneck trailer's tires. We ended up hauling four loads with about a half hour turn around, due to the close proximity of the site. These were slash pine, but some were really good. We will have to saw some fence boards and some dimensional lumber in exchange for these logs, but we should come out okay. It was hot, dry and dusty today.
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We had two hydraulic cylinders on my Kubota tractor repacked this week. Some of these logs tested them.
That looks like close to 4 cords of wood if those are 16' logs. About #20K😬
I did not scale them or weigh them. They were 16' 6". I told the guy running the excavator, who is the owner of the business, that I would like to start buying logs from him if he would deliver. He gets paid for clearing land and usually burns stuff we would saw. I would rather saw than haul and deal with all of the unpleasantries that go with that; flat tires, DOT, an old truck that struggles to haul the big loads. We'll see. His business is only a half mile from my place.
Nice haul but that trailer looks seriously overloaded. :o :o
MM, that trailer will haul the load. It has two 7K axles and E, F and G rated 16" tires and eight lug wheels (they are a mixed bunch). It has the same axles that a lot of 25' and 30' gooseneck trailers have. I built it years ago to haul my Bronco before I ever considered hauling logs. We were not hauling far, and the trailer did not have any problem with what was put on it. The trailer was built low (leaf springs under the axles and drop spindles to be able to load without ramps). It has ramps but really, to load the tractor or Broncos, they are not needed.
I don't want to be a smarty pants, and I've been seriously overloaded on my 14k trailers before too. But the point I was trying to make is that it has 2-7k axles. The trailer probably weighs 3500# or so, leaving you 10-11k of capacity legally.
Now I realize you were just going around the block, but I had to point out how overloaded your trailer is so people don't get the idea looking at the pictures that they can go out and do that without issue.
I've run into the situation several times, that people think pine is light. Red pine up here, runs #4800/cord. I think bigger logs are probably closer to #5000. Southern Yellow Pine species are heavier yet, I don't know the exact number but #5000/cord is a safe bet.
I would've put money on your trailer axles scaling out well over 20,000# (3.5 cords at 5k and weight of the trailer).
Too much of a load, :o Nice logs. ;)
Y'all are right. After looking at it, it was probably around 2.9 cords or maybe a little more as we had 4x4's on the trailer deck (6.5'w or so x 3.5'h x 16.5' l). They were bigger loads than I would have normally hauled. The circumstances influenced the size of my loads. The guy who was loading was also clearing the lot. There is someone in the neighborhood who has been causing some problems at the site when they are not there.
The fellow doing the clearing wanted to get his equipment out of there before it was vandalized or stolen so it was one of those "one more" situations. I did tell the guy running the machines that we'd be interested in buying good logs in the future if he would deliver them.
On another note, we did have the loads chained down well, several side supports and we took time to blow the bark off of the trailer after each unloading.
We finished edging the flitches after we got back with the last load of logs and then another friend brought over the last three of the Hurricane Ian logs that he had right before dark.
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The top photo is the 16's we ended up with yesterday and the bottom is of the 10' and 12's. The sap was running pretty heavy. Those with the dirty ends will need to be trimmed as it will harden like concrete.
That is an awesome whack of logs for sure. Kinda typical of what I see.
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Here is a whack of 22 logs waiting for me and it looks like it will probably be the 1st of December before I get to him. December is building up to be a very busy month.
Those are nice logs MM. If we are able to start buying logs, those are the type we will be shopping for. The summer heat should be gone by the time you get to sawing those. It was almost 90° here yesterday. As of now, we still end up sawing too many smaller logs, which is like trying to get butter from a duck when trying to produce a pile of lumber efficiently.
There were about a dozen small diameter logs that were piled yesterday, and they were put in the fire hole. They would have made 4x4's but those kind lie around here until they rot and usually end up getting burned anyway. At least we did not have to haul them.
The bad thing about a 22 log job is that unless the cut list and tailgunners work out, it could possibly take more than one day, especially with the shorter days.
I'll get there, set up, and be ready so saw when it is light enough and hopefully I can finish without a return trip. It's 26 miles away.
Seeing that load reminds me of a gruff excavator operator I used to work with when I drove dump truck. A driver couldn't drive away until HE said you were full, and his motto was "If it ain't spillin', it ain't fillin'!" :D
But the DOT Cop would not be looking at the excavator operator. ::)
Yup, it always comes back to the driver if he gets stopped. And you have to make sure you're not overloading the max load the truck or trailer is even designed to haul (seen a trailer break in half one time). :o
I can't think of exactly why, but I have seen it come back onto the company that loaded a truck at least one time. Maybe the driver got pinched too but I know the loader did.
I have a trucker or two that I call to get logs for me. That way I keep sawing, time is $$ too.
I have dirt guys put the logs in there try axle truck and del.
Or put in a pile, call me and I send a truck.
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Those cedar logs looked pretty good Howard. I got a load of Cottonwood logs last evening They look reasonably straight plenty big for me to handle. I also got a 17 inch Green Ash log that was pretty straight and clear to about nine feet it will make nice 4/4 boards.
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9 in piece of Ash just for comparisons sake. Now to actually saw wood. :)
That looks heavy!
Adding onto the sawmill shed: milled an 8x10x16' girder and 10- 2x6 rafters from red oak logs yesterday.
Got the back wall stood up: red oak framing w/ white pine sheathing and got the opposite column up and plumb.
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Finally, some time off. I have been sawing but out of practice so forgetting to take pics. I got a few hundred more board feet of ERC cut at 5/8ths for the local brew guy for a ceiling project. he needs 700 square feet and he neglected to subtract 33% to waist for ERC.
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A semi-retired pulmonologist brought some walnut logs/crotches. they turned out great and i may have a pic of those.
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Doc,
Pretty wood.
That reminds me how much fun it can be to be a small miller because we get to play with things like that while the big, full-time, gotta make a living off production sawyers sometimes can't take the time and expense to play with stuff that may be beautiful or may be a complete bust that just wastes time and tears up bands and equipment.
Sawed up a pretty rough looking walnut log myself today.Log was originally 10 1/2' long but had to cut it in two or I wouldn't have got hardly anything.Got some pretty nice bench material and like Howard said it's nice to have time to make something out of nothing.
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Wlmedley, there is some nice character along the edges. you could book match and have a nice wide tabletop with matching grain patterns.
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A customer had called and wanted to bring 3-20' White Oak logs for me to saw for trailer decking. I told him yesterday I was concerned my support equipment (a JD 750 tractor) would not handle the loads and suggested I'd rather bring the mill to him. I was still loaded from my last job in anticipation of such. I told him if he'd paid my mileage fee I'd waive the normal 1,000 bf rate and just bill him for what we sawed. He agreed and turned out he had a nice gravel lot down from his house that his dad owned.
The log on the forks is probably the heaviest log I've ever handled. He loaded it directly on my mill and after my first cut my hydraulics handled the lifting and turning.
I had run my hydraulics with the mill off and weakened the battery and had to jump it with my truck which was quick and easy and after that it charged and cranked just fine.
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Here are the other 2 logs with the customer's 16-17 y/o son. At first he was worried he did not have enough logs but after 2 logs we had plenty for the trailer plus some extras for sideboards and such so he cut last log in half and we sawed them into 4/4 boards.
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We started about 9:00 am and put 3.5 hours on the mill and had a conservative total of 833 bf. I hit 2 nails on the first log. The odd part was it was about 10-12 feet up on the log. We dug out my slide hammer nail puller and were able to pull them and my wand did not indicate, nor did I hit any more metal.
It was 47 miles over to the site but taking the mill to the site where we had adequate support equipment was the right decision in this case. I got home in time to unhook the mill and put away all the tools well before dark.
Nice job, Howard.
John and I started this morning cleaning up around the mill and burning the slash pile. We finally got some rain after over a month with none.
The logs we hauled last Friday had a cost. We needed to saw some fence boards, which we did. The guy wanted 8' er's out of 10-12' logs. We obliged, but it was painful to saw off the ends of good logs. The guy who loaded the logs last week wanted 2x in 8', 10, and 12' lengths. Unfortunately, the guys who work for him either can't read a tape measure or are challenged in another way. Most of the logs were cut at 11' 10". I called and asked if he wanted us to buck nearly two feet off of each log or if that would suffice. Thankfully, we were able to cut saw them as they were. I don't have any pics of the fence boards or the framing lumber, but we got a good bit sawn today.
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These slash pine have a lot of sap. We may need to procure a lubemizer. If they sit a month or so they are not so bad. I was running straight diesel as lube today and still had a few issues with sap on the band. These logs were trees less than two weeks ago.
Quote from: caveman on November 18, 2023, 08:20:13 PMeither can't read a tape measure or are challenged in another way. Most of the logs were cut at 11' 10".
I have seen that happen several times. He was probably looking at the tape upside down and marked 2" past 12' except he marked on the wrong side of 12'. It can be a costly mistake.
I actually did it when I had a cabinet shop except that it was fractions of inches instead of feet. Need 17¼" and mark 16¾". It "rips your stitch" when that is the last board that you have or you just ruined a sheet of plywood.
The old saying about measuring twice and cutting once. I usually measure the second time from the other end.
I always say arborists know how to make firewood (pieces of wood they can lift) not lumber. buy your arborists a tape measure so he can make you logs the right length, not pace them off and be short a few inches.
I still always drool when I see those nice straight, uniform southern yellow pine logs! The next best thing for us up here is good straight poplar - and it doesn't have the sap issues.
I'm with you Howard. Those big SY pines are enviable! We have some loblolly but mostly short leaf and Virginia pines. Few of the pines on our place are 16" or more.
Most our pines have grown in abandoned farm fields. At least on this farm, a satellite view of pines indicates the location of once tilled fields. The issue is these pines volunteered and need thinning to become much.
Further east (60-80 miles) the pines begin to be bigger and include more long leaf.
My consolation is we are considered part of the Appalachian Hardwood region (elevations 1,000' plus) so poplar, oaks and hickory are very abundant on our farm.
Pines like Danny was tending to in his plantation(s). May he RIP
Ted and Howard,
Here ya go.
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Drool away. For reference that trailer deck is 24 feet long.
Brandi,
I was thinking about you yesterday when I was sawing those 20' White Oak and wondering if I couldn't just saw them at 16' and borrow your board stretcher. :D
Actually, I was thinking "That lady has my respect for sawing something this big and this heavy!" 8)
Pretty pine logs. What time are you go to deliver them here? ;)
Here's a vertical white oak similar in size to that horizontal pine.
It's one of about 50 or so I have that size.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on November 19, 2023, 11:22:01 AM
Brandi,
I was thinking about you yesterday when I was sawing those 20' White Oak and wondering if I couldn't just saw them at 16' and borrow your board stretcher. :D
Actually, I was thinking "That lady has my respect for sawing something this big and this heavy!" 8)
Pretty pine logs. What time are you go to deliver them here? ;)
Howard,
You can pick up the sawdust now.
Quote from: Bindian on November 19, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Ted and Howard,
Here ya go.
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Drool away. For reference that trailer deck is 24 feet long.
Bindian:
You sure know how to rub it in.
If I saw a cherry log around here that long and straight and over 20" in dia I'd check for a pulse as I would think I had died.
GAB
But it is Howard. Ted just got in the way.
What is a cherry log? ??? Some type of desert? :-\
??? ??? ???
You need not worry about that from now on.
WHEW!!
It's taken me the better part of a week to catch up on "Whatcha Sawin'2023?"
I knew if I jumped in at the end (current) I would miss a lot.
Maybe now I can participate...
8)
CC
What about the previous years threads? :D
Yup, the original topic only had 626 pages and 12,500 Replies. LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=80057.0)
Sometimes I wonder why I get us into these jobs. A week or so ago, a guy had a few 3"x8"x 16' timbers hauled to us to saw into 1x. He wants to use it for a ceiling in some rustic application. Based on the referral, I assume the guy has money. Regardless, we gave him an hourly rate plus blades due to the dirtiness and hardness of the dry heart pine beams. We sawed some yesterday and finished today. Today was a bit frustrating with the metal that the blades found and the varying thicknesses of the beams. Some would knock the set out of our blades. Even resetting and sharpening a few blades, we went through seven blades on this job. One beam toasted two or three on its own. Pure lightered wood. We had the diesel drip flowing at a rate well above the normal.
The customer will end up with a good pile of edged heart pine to do a ceiling with but there was quite a bit of loss due to ring shake, termites and splits along the boards. After sawing all of this, we edged the 8" to 7" and the 6" to 5".
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There was a gooseneck trailer load of this stuff.
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I hope that the juice is worth the squeeze for what we were able to do. We worked diligently and made decisions like it was our own wood, but he would have gotten a lot bigger pile of 1x for his money if he would have just bought boards from us.
The burn pile last night glowed for hours and is still smoking today. It has been going for eight days now. The heart pine sure is an enthusiastic burner.
Caveman, I get myself into that stuff sometimes too. I have a hard time saying no to a job🤷 I have to put away what it would be worth in my mind, and let the customer spend their money on what they want. I'm getting better about it🤷
Often resawn lumber from timbers such as that is a status symbol for the customer. I had a customer that hauled factory warehouse timbers from Montana to be used in his new "cabin" that he was having built. He could boast about how much trouble it was and how much it costs.
Resawing beams pays well.
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But hard on blades. :D
It's all about the 'storey'. That's what I sell, and people love it.
Tell him you know someone who paid $27 a board foot for some 20 foot long mostly clear Heart Pine boards in 2012 to go in an 1828 museum house that were sawn out of old warehouse beams.
That replacement wainscot 19" wide panel came from a floor board in the third floor attic behind a kneewall in dead space.
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Those are beautiful. We still have a few logs that have heart pine of similar quality. I will be sure to let the customer know that if he does not have enough heart pine to finish his ceiling, that we have some already sawn and dried and we can saw more if needed.
I suppose today I'll go deal with the sawdust pile, clean out under the mill, grease machines and pick up all of the barbed wire I pulled down last week before going back to the daily grind tomorrow.
JMoore and I saved some of the cut off pieces with the age, dirt, patina and circle saw marks. I think that they would be useful to make faux beams or mantles.
And if you use terms like "reused green upcycled carbon paper neutral footprints" to describe lumber resawn from old timbers, it makes the price go up. smiley_thumbsup
I'd never describe something I've sawn that way, but if someone called looking for that the price just went WAY up!😁
Quote from: Resonator on November 27, 2023, 03:07:49 PM
And if you use terms like "reused green upcycled carbon paper neutral footprints" to describe lumber resawn from old timbers, it makes the price go up. smiley_thumbsup
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D good one
Left out 100% Organic.. :D
Quote from: barbender on November 27, 2023, 04:29:10 PM
I'd never describe something I've sawn that way, but if someone called looking for that the price just went WAY up!😁
BarbenderI might just tell the caller "Hey man! I don't know what you're talking about. Sawmill- what's that??"I wouldn't want a
mandatory upgrade to wind power.
CC
Quote from: barbender on November 27, 2023, 04:29:10 PM. . the price just went WAY up!😁
i'll bet a lot of us have the "sliding scale of PITA" in effect at all times.
Quote from: Stephen1 on November 26, 2023, 08:27:21 AMIt's all about the 'storey'. That's what I sell, and people love it.
Last week the customer was in Arizona, but I talked to him today and got the story. His grandaddy's brother, Charles, originally sawed these beams in 1960 on a circle sawmill the family had. Following a funeral 15 or so years ago of a cousin, our customer, Mark, ended up buying them for the purpose of cow pen boards. They have been stacked in one barn/shed or another since 1960. They were all sawn out of cat faced turpentine trees.
I sent one of the blades we hit metal with back with the young fellow who came to pick them up in case he wants to add that to the story. It would be cool if he could find one of the old catfaces and a Herty cup or two to put somewhere in the room that he uses this wood in.
Don't forget to add "Soy-Free", that doubles the price. :D
Gluten free, GMO free, free range, environmentally harvested, salvaged and re-purposed all add a few percent on the costs of course, These environmentally friendly extra care steps all cost time and money but it's good for the future of our planet and worth the extra cost, right?
All I sawed today was some 2x4x16 pine pallet boards. They weren't much, but they were honest😊
It's nice to be able to drop the lumber off and not have to accompany it with a backstory like an online dinner recipe😁
Quote from: Southside on November 27, 2023, 08:25:51 PM
Don't forget to add "Soy-Free", that doubles the price. :D
That can't be so! My dog has Christened that standing tree for years, the salty taste I'm sure is still there!
What am sawin? Nothin'. I'm my wifes secretary all week. Her assistant took the week off. Luckily for Cindy I had already taken vacation for the week because I had it to burn. I don't call her doctor.
maybe a compromise, "Dr. Sweetheart" try that!!! :snowball: :)
When the next patient comes in I will tell them "Dr Sweetheart can see you now". :D :D :D
Well, I just was on the phone with a cochlear implant manufacturer and had to refer to her as Dr.
Well, she earned it, and I am sure you are proud of her. Now if it is expected at home... :)
She very much earned it and I am proud of her accomplishments. At home she's "little one". Since we went to Croatia and have learned some Croatian language, I also call her "mala" which is Croatian for small, but can also be used like "little one" in English.
You sure that rear axle fell out your truck all on its own? :D
Well, she's not strong enough to remove any bolts, so she would have had to have help. Maybe its a conspiracy.
Having an accomplished successful spouse is usually a really good thing... :) I have referred to myself as a trophy husband before in front of my wife. Sometimes i hear "yeah a participation trophy" after I've said it.... ;D
Quote from: Nebraska on November 30, 2023, 07:24:38 AM
Having an accomplished successful spouse is usually a really good thing... :) I have referred to myself as a trophy husband before in front of my wife. Sometimes i hear "yeah a participation trophy" after I've said it.... ;D
Nebraska
In 1982 after just turning 20, I married a gal 3 years older than me. She was pretty quick witted and during our first family Christmas, my uncle inquired of us as to when WE were going to start a family. Before I could even think about answering she immediately pointed and said "I've gotta get him grown first."
He began his haw-hawing and proceeded to repeat it to everyone old enough to understand what he was saying. At 97 he still brings it up occasionally.
I did get some payback for a couple of years when I would ask Grandma for her senior discount grocery card- when I didn't qualify for my own.
CC
Had some walnut that most people wouldn't bother sawing but I have more time than money so though I'd give it a try.Got some pretty good bench material out of this beauty.I've got a couple nice logs left but am saving them for last.
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First post,always figured it would be in the did something dumb topic but wanted to add some photos to this post since it's been slow. Sawed a few firsts for me dogwood, & sourwood. Couple birch, poplar and pine in the photos as well.
Welcome! Great first post
If you don't have any special plans for the dogwood it is good to use to make felling wedges if you stay away from the heartwood. I think I got the idea from Howard and made some.It's pretty tough wood and wedges held up well.Welcome and hang around awhile!
Welcome to the Forestry Forum.
Click your user name and there you will be at your profile. Also, see the "my gallery" to go there and see the duplicates that you probably have already figured out why. If any are not "upright", you can turn them 90° to make them right.
Prolly will ask why the tooth marks are showing up on your sawn lumber. Or you may already know the answer to that. :D :D
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Well...I pulled off of a job a year ago to the day due to mechanical issues and weather. The intention was to repair and return with better weather.
Anyone that is smoking/drinking/shaving/sawmilling age - we know what a year can do to intentions.
BTW, my wife says I only qualify for the sawmilling category - and just barely.
The job started last year as yellow poplar 1x12 and batten strips for my then 98 years old uncle. Also pine and white oak 2xs for his son.
The last two white oaks waited a year for me to return. You know WO. They can wait a long time. My uncle was not as patient. I guess at 99 he's quit buying green bananas.
I returned a couple weeks ago. Knocked out the WO without any problems.
I was also given a nice SYP for my own use, as well as a small black walnut. Both were blown down prior to my arrival last year but had to wait for me also.
It was decided more poplar was needed for another project. Salvage logs were acceptable and some more pine are probably coming as well.
I'm only able to hit a lick here and there and the weather is about to turn wet...but only for the weekend they say.
I think I have another surprise waiting for me...
CC
Hey - we found someone with more chickens than me! :D
Quote from: Southside on December 01, 2023, 09:25:55 PM
Hey - we found someone with more chickens than me! :D
Well I need to edit my info. Still got 'em but the head count is under 10K now.
Now he needs a kiln !
Quote from: Stephen1 on December 02, 2023, 07:32:12 AM
Now he needs a kiln !
Stephen
Being applicable to more than just my post, I'll risk a reply. 😉
When I was sawmill shopping, I mentioned to Nathan at WMGA that I was going to put the mill in an out-of-production poultry house...his eyes wides a bit and he said that was ideal for sawing and air drying.
Still working toward that setup (long story) but I've even had thoughts about a solar collector addition to step up the drying.
CC
How much experience do you have with Santeria? You may be well positioned to expand your business. :D
Quote from: Southside on December 02, 2023, 08:42:05 AM
How much experience do you have with Santeria? You may be well positioned to expand your business. :D
Well...I had to look up the definition - if that answers your question. :P
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My surprise log!
Rainbow Poplar
:D
There is metal within that log.
That was my first thought too, but look near the top and you can see the green. May or may not require a sacrifice ceremony, time will tell. :D
From the picture, I can't tell if he is planning on sawing top down or bottom up.
If the picture is of the bottom, is it possible that the metal is in the stump?
If there is a "sacrifice ceremony" I'd like to know what was the cause of the stain.
In any case better to sacrifice a blade than the four blades in a 24" planer.
Best of luck to you,
GAB
Yep. That is the butt cut.
I recognized the stains immediately. At least they resembled what I had found on other occasions.
The otherwise straight log has a pronounced crook the first 3-4 ft.
I cut 6" off with my chainsaw. Well almost. I think I hit some metal and stopped. I wedged off as much as possible and the two opposing stains (approximately 11oclock and 4oclock) are both situated at the same growth ring. I'm thinking living fence post.
That also might explain the bend.
I'm not sure how I will saw it. I don't intend to use a new blade.
I swear mister sawmiller, there's never been a fence on that tree, nor has there been a tree house with nailed on ladder up to it. :D
To my surprise...
I hit no metal. YET.
I did shorten the 12' to 8'6" and lost most of the crook. Maybe I lost the non wood??
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The cutoff.
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The only thing I found in the finished product.
CC
Chickenchaser, if you had put on a new blade you would have found that metal.
That was my exact words to my cousin yesterday.
He retired from a paper mill and worked in the wood yard so he recognized the stain also.
I'm going to split and burn the cutoff...eventually. Just to satisfy my need for confirmation. lol
CC
And if you own a sawmill, you own a metal detector. Just saw into the log and listen for it... Zing! :D
Sawing red and white oak. Just piddling with some logs here on the farm. Cutting with a solar kiln build in mind.
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Man, it's been so rainy, crappy here in the pnw. Been pressure washing the long butts of a logging job to get the dirt/gravel off and keep the build up off the mill. Here's some pictures
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This manual mill is a butt kicker being solo with bigger logs but it is capable of making good quality boards when everything is set up right.
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That self loader looks awesome to have around a manual mill!
The truck is pretty awesome. It has air and hydraulic hookups on both sides, 100 gallon water tank with a pump which works for the pressure washer. Lift gate which I use a lot. 28k original miles compliments of city of San Francisco. I traded the side cabinets for welding up some removable log bunks and side rings. Came with a beefy auger that hooks up to the end of the crane and a diesel welder which I sold as I wouldn't trust my welding skills enough for anything important. Plan is to build some ramps and have a hitch sleeve welded on as the pintle is way too high for a mill.
Been sawing some cedar today.Logs were small but solid.Trying to get all I can as a hauled these logs from my sisters place in Virginia.They are kind of hard to get around here.Using woodshed I built last winter as a drying shed.They seem to dry pretty fast and I plan to sand boards a little before using as a floor in my grandsons playground.DIL doesn't want him to get any splinters.
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Gotta please your customers, even the non paying kind. :D :D
Just piddling here sawing some LE sleepers to use on my shed floor. They don't need to be straight or pretty just sit on a bed of gravel and hold up a floating floor.
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I thought this was a locust log but turned out to be elm. First elm I believe I have seen on my place.
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Then I dragged this crooked locust down withmy ATV. I had to cut it in half to make sure it would fit on the mill.
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I decided to use this little 7' White Oak top and got 3 sleepers out of it.
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After placing everything I was still short so I re-sawed this cut off from one of my locust uprights. It gave me just enough to finish my floor sleepers.
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Not pretty but works for my needs.
I would think those would make some really cool arch supports for timber framing. Seems like when they saw those arches out of straight grain it would loose a lot of strength. Should make for some really cool flooring though
Pulled my cedar boards out of the shed a few at a time and smoothed them up.I ran a hand held electric planer over them,cut to proper length with a miter saw and even planed chamber on edges.Hopefully they pass the splinter inspection.I plan on installing them Saturday.
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Neal,
They probably would make nice arches for timber framing but I don't do timber framing. They would also have made some nice curved benches. Cut on both sides of the curve to leave it intact, lay the log down and saw several curved 2" LE slabs out of the log, make them into benches and face the curve in and they make a circle when you place 2-3 of them to go around a firepit or place them around a big shade tree facing out. On severe curves I have had to put an extra leg in the middle of the curve to keep the benches from tipping over.
EDIT/ADD-ON: Here's a set of Chestnut oak benches with some curve to them.
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Must be interesting trying to mill them! I've been too busy to do any resi tree removals but looking forward to someday slicing up different species and shapes. Have a couple western cedars coming up but pretty boring compared to you guys in the east
Its pretty straight-forward. Just lay the log on the mill with the open end to the loader side, clamp the middle and start sawing. Sometimes the cant will spin on the clamp a little but they stay down. When you flip the cant if the ends aren't against the side supports/dogs you may have to rotate the cant around to face the open end to the loader side.
In some cases you may have to put a sacrificial board between the side supports to clamp against
A big walnut crotch today. Down the road I'll make a couple of end matched tables from these beauties.
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Beautiful for sure! Nice job!
Logs by the football field
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The wet season is on top of me and it's the normal disorganised mess of trucks not available when I need them where I need them, bush landings choked with logs causing issues with harvesting more, and this late in the season the gear is starting to need some love. Every year I tell myself it'll never be this disorganised again but every year gets worse because it gets bigger. And I'm waiting on a roof on a new shed over a new mill.
But bay 6 (background) in the mill yard is within a hundred ton of full. 90 yards or so long and as high as I can stack 'em.
Bays 2-5, (foreground, about 30 yards each) are half empty but the logs are on the ground awaiting transport.
And we're about to start on bay 7...which is new and double the length of bay 6. At least those logs are on a handstand at the end of a bitumen road and they can wander in after Christmas.
I'm thinking we better make some plans for another couple bays for next year. I'm thinking I have a new saw hasn't even cut a board yet and already it's not big enough :o
Growing pains: I haz sum. Just living the dream...
Do you buy and sell logs?
Lurker
Seems with me the only way I ever could organize would be to reduce inventory/liquidate/etc.
That just seems counterproductive.
Well, it just don't seem right .
CC
I buy some standing timber that we harvest in house, logs where I can. Do some subcontract work for the big boys in the southern capitals.
Sell mostly lumber but some poles and piles in the round.
I don't even pretend I'm running this show anymore: it's running me. I think it can be organised but that's a couple years away when I have enough coin behind me to plow forward through the potholes regardless. For now it's constantly chaotic and it feels like I've been swallowed by the business. Growth is like that I reckon - you either run from it or run with it but you better run somewhere or it'll run you over.
I'm driving down the road a couple months back, full days drive so I get some think time and I realised that in a dozen years there had been about two 6 month periods where it all ran smoothly. The rest of the time I've got too many staff for the work on hand or too much work to handle. Or I've got not enough logs, or the wrong logs for the order book. And someone is always late paying me and im hanging by the balls for it to pay someone else. Something is always broken down and even expecting one breakdown at a time can be ambitious given my collection of antiques. And that rather than think it would ever be any different that I had to accept that this was normal... so long as I choose to own a business I'm going to have these headaches... and I either had to accept it or get out. And further thought led me to the realisation that all of those problems have a way of fixing themselves in 90 days or less, and that I shouldn't let short term hiccups cloud the fact that I'm growing because I'm awful good at this.
Funny thing is that this was never the dream. But at every junction in the road the logical choice pointed me this way and here I am. Funny how that works huh.
Hard to follow a comment like that. It's always good to hear I'm not the only one feeling that way. I always assumed everyone around me has got a road map, meanwhile I'm lost in the woods.
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Had a order for three 6X6X10 yesterday.
Someone gave me a lot of spruce a while back. Milled that 8X8 today. Going to build a 16X12 wood shop with it.
Merry Christmas to you all.
Rich
Just had a 30"er come down in the storm, chalk white. No way to handle it. No way to saw it except firewood. I cut some up for the stove, but is slow splitting when you have the start it with the chainsaw. Like splitting elm. :D It was a solid tree, the wind tore it up by the roots. And it took out 2 others on the way down, a 10" birch and a 16" fir. Birch and fir make easy firewood. ;D Every tree was solid and white wood. Fir is a lot heavier the spruce.
I have had Spruce that was tough but this batch saws like butter. Nice straight logs, not too many knots. I don't know but I would guess there are a few sub species of Spruce.
Around here we have white spruce, red spruce and black spruce. White spruce is most common around these farms. But I have thousands of black spruce I planted on the woodlot. Spruce is all tough to split, clear wood or not, twisty grain. Fir is like cutting butter with a splitting maul. Red spruce is not all that common near me, except up on the mountain. But I have cut millions of them with a clearing saw, spacing them out. Growing as thick as moss. I've planted a small number of reds, but rabbits eat them like carrots when they are small. :D
Whenever someone is splitting elm, cursing the stuff, I feel like spruce is covering a smile and a little chuckle. Not fun to split at all!
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Neither of these 12' White Oak logs would roll before the MS261 did it's job.
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396 bf of 2" X 12", 8", & 6" X 12' for bridge decking. Each board weighed about 125 pounds and I slid every one of them off of the sawmill and onto the trailer.
It felt good to be back in the "wheel house" again but I have no plans to saw again until next year.
Next year is about 10 days from now. Just sayin' :D :D
MM, I hope you were sawing those for yourself or else someone else should have been moving those heavy hunks of wood for you. You are an inspiration to many of us. Enjoy your time off until next year.
Yes, they were my logs and the bridge decking boards will go on my bridges at the farm. This old man was a whooped puppy when I took that lumber picture of those 17 boards.
It was too dark to take a picture of the bucked to firewood length whack of slabs.
Next year is going to be especially crazy. Got two calls today, one from a customer that I sawed over 21Mbf for last year.
Quote from: Magicman on December 21, 2023, 07:39:04 PMI have no plans to saw again until next year.
LOL Enjoy your long vacation, just don't blink.
I do actually run a sawmill, although I hardly ever take any pictures to add here. Probably because most of the stuff I saw is a bit boring🤷
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Just a pile of full dimension 2x4x16' sawn from old pine for pallet racking. I was 7 short of my goal for the day of 100 of them, which would be 1066 bf.
We were having a discussion in Neal66's post the other day about 1 man production. After sawing these, I'm plenty wore out. Moving 16' lumber and slabs is tiring, but then the board footage adds up faster too.
My 3 main products are these 2x4s, 1x material for form boards, mostly 1x12x16' pine, and oak trailer decking. All of it is heavy😁
For me, having the drag back is vital. If I had to pick up and carry every board and slab off the mill with this 16' stuff, no way. I would probably end up sawing a log completely and then lifting all the lumber at once with the pallet forks on my skid loader. But doing it that way, if there is a quality/grade issue how will I know about it, unless I go through the boards afterwards?(more handling)
8/4 Cherry for a special order.....
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Oh yes, Cherry is always nice. :)
Now a question, what da heck is dat white sawdust about?? :o
It came out of the chute when I sawed a snow tree. You don't have them there.....
I thinks dat you is crazy !! 8)
Going back to the White Oak logs that I sawed into bridge decking yesterday, I only wanted 2" boards at least 6" wide with a very minimum of sapwood:
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Which meant that there was a lot of firewood from the slabs and side lumber.
Quote from: Magicman on December 22, 2023, 07:48:58 AM
I thinks dat you is crazy !! 8)
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011)
I don't mind you making that statement, but I can take issue with the inference that I'm the only one who is......
Yes Sir....I am Certified Crazy !!! :D
We are forecast for 69° today. ;D
Merry Christmas my Friend. :)
Quote from: Magicman on December 22, 2023, 08:30:16 AM
Yes Sir....I am Certified Crazy !!! :D
We are forecast for 69° today. ;D We are currently in a warm spell, which will help eliminate all the white sawdust. I can send you a warm coat if you get a chill at 69*......
Merry Christmas my Friend. :) And to you and yours- John 1:14; and thanks for being such a special piece of this Forum!
God bless us everyone!
You'll poke your eye out.
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Some more spruce today. 2X4,2X6,2X8,8X8.
Going to build a new wood shop. 16X12
More Cherry!
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....must still be Amateur Hour......
Red Pine (and an alien!)
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C'mon, Folks! Only 3 more posting days before "Watcha Sawing '24"!
Looks like the squirrel in "Ice Age". :D
Quote from: Magicman on December 21, 2023, 07:39:04 PM
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Neither of these 12' White Oak logs would roll before the MS261 did it's job.
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396 bf of 2" X 12", 8", & 6" X 12' for bridge decking. Each board weighed about 125 pounds and I slid every one of them off of the sawmill and onto the trailer.
It felt good to be back in the "wheel house" again but I have no plans to saw again until next year.
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The 2X12 bridge decking got hauled to the farm this morning and stickered until the next bridge project. Yup, some blue showed through on a couple of boards but luckily I never hit anything while sawing. ;D
We trailered the wood splitter home so I...
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Can now do some splitting and stacking.
I had two cedar logs on my log deck that I'm not sure what I'm going to use them for at this time so I sawed them into the biggest cants I could get.Ended up with two pretty nice 6"x6"s a little over 6' long.It's the only cedar I have left so I'm going to store them in my shed until I figure out what to use them for.Picture of one of them.
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First post after firing up the new EZ Boardwalk....mostly SY and White Pine for the next few days of the week. New Year's Eve Day will tell me how much I can do in a day. But having about 100-125 eighteen foot logs I can say this will likely be what I'm sawing in `24 and possibly `25 as well. More pics to come in the next few days whilst I have the skid steer (and as such can mill)
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Enjoy your mill there are times I miss my little Jr mill. Like today when I had nice weather but a predator motor with no spark, the Honda on the old mill never gave me an issue. :)
good luck with the new mill. nice loader you have there. happy new year!
Year 2023 has been a good ride so now we can move on to 2024. thumbs-up
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Year 2023 has been a good ride so now we can move on to 2024. thumbs-up
And my first real job will be a "Magicman Special"!!
Lord willin' and if the creek don't rise.
On second thought- maybe the creek WILL rise. :)
I'll save the details for next year.
CC
So now I will have to wait until next year to find out what a "Magicman Special" is ?? ???