A few notes to help others on the L53 sytem

Started by blackhawk, March 22, 2023, 01:36:26 PM

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blackhawk

I just finished building my first kiln using the L53 unit from Nyle.  I learned several things that I thought I would share to others that are going to use the L53.  First off, customer service from K-Guy (Stan) and Byron were top notch.  Every email and phone call was returned in a couple of hours, usually in under an hour.  Every question I had was answered accurately and quickly.  Many thanks to Stan and Byron.

1) The L53 runs on a 120 volt, 15 amp circuit.  The amperage isn't called out in the manual.
2) The power vent which is the exhaust for your kiln should be mounted on the same wall as the DH unit. It should be mounted low on the wall.  This is shown in the L53 manual but the plan drawings have "intake" and "exhaust" reversed on the vent labels, so it is confusing.
3) The power vent is wired directly from the control unit.  So, you have to run separate wires from the control unit, through the wall and to the power vent.  
4) The heater in the DH unit does not run when the compressor is on because that would overload the 15 amp circuit.  You can wire in auxiliary heat to the control unit via a relay so that the auxiliary heat can run while the compressor is on.  This is what I did with Stan's help.
5) The compressor has a 5 minute delay from the time that you see "ON" in the display before it actually starts.  This is to keep the compressor from being cycled off and on too quickly.  
6) The size of the control panel has changed from what it used to be in all the YouTube videos that I watched.  It is wider at about 15 inches, see pic below.  I used a truck tool box outside my kiln to house it and it would only fit turned sidewise, but it worked OK.



 
Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

blackhawk

I ended up changing the power vent configuration quite a bit.  The way it comes, it is to be mounted with the fan side against the inside wall.  Then the louvers are mounted facing the lumber stack.  So, when the fan comes on, it is pulling the louvers open.  The entire power vent assembly sticks out from the inside wall several inches if mounted in this fashion.  You will also have an open hole through your outside wall that you would have to line with something and IMO you would need another louver or screen on the outside wall to keep out rain and critters.  Pic below is how it comes shipped for this configuration:



My change was that I flipped the fan around inside the sheet metal housing.  Then I turned the connection box 90 degrees and mounted it as close to the fan end as possible.  I took off the flanges on the side opposite the fan and then inserted the sheet metal box into the wall from the inside until the connection box hit the wall.  Like this:





So, now the fan pushes the louvers open which are now mounted on the outside wall.  Per the instructions that came with the louvers, they are designed to be pushed open.  Here is what it looks like on the outside of the kiln:



 

With my 2x4 wall and 2" foam insulation, the sheet metal housing extended perfectly right up to the exterior sheathing.  The louver on the outside makes a very neat installation and saves a knee banger on the inside.  I added the little piece of aluminum at the top to help shed the rain.  It has worked perfect for me in this configuration.
 
Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

blackhawk

One last thing on the louvers.  I saw a couple of YouTube videos where they had trouble with the louvers opening or closing and they were using bungees to assist.  I found that if the louvers are too tight or loose, all you have to do is adjust the screws in the corners that I show in the pic below:


 

Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

trimguy


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Quote from: blackhawk on March 22, 2023, 01:52:15 PMI ended up changing the power vent configuration quite a bit


Yes you did. The power vent is installed backwards, it is supposed to blow out of the kiln not into it.
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blackhawk

Quote from: K-Guy on March 23, 2023, 10:56:57 AM
Quote from: blackhawk on March 22, 2023, 01:52:15 PMI ended up changing the power vent configuration quite a bit


Yes you did. The power vent is installed backwards, it is supposed to blow out of the kiln not into it.
The fan is blowing out of the kiln.  I flipped the fan inside the sheet metal housing so that it blows in the opposite direction from the way that it was shipped.  This allowed me to put the louvers on the outside of the kiln. 
Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

blackhawk

I monitored my power usage on my first load and just got my power bill.  I used 567 kwh of electricity over 15 days.  Average temperature over that period was 40°F with some nights getting close to the low 20s.  The 567 kwh increased my power bill by roughly $80.  So, if I used the kiln non-stop over an entire month, I'm looking at roughly $160 of electricity cost at this time of the year.  I only ran for two weeks because all my lumber was air dried to 15% or less when it went into the kiln.
Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

trimguy

How many board feet did you put in the kiln ?

blackhawk

Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

trimguy


blackhawk

I am on my third load now and I noticed that my compressor was running a lot after my lumber got below 20% MC.  I added an hour meter to the compressor and it ran almost 11 hours with only 10 ounces of water coming out.  I put 3 different hygrometers in my kiln very close to the wet bulb sensor.  The hygrometers all read the relative humidity within 2% of each other.  The hygrometers were showing the relative humidity to be 10% less than what I was getting from the WB sensor.  I called Stan and he said that my wet bulb must be drying out too quickly, giving me a false reading on the wet bulb.  Stan gave me suggestions to move the WB sensor as close as possible to the reservoir and try adding some shielding around the WB sensor.  Stan said that too much air blowing across the WB sensor can dry it out.  I tried about 12 different shield combinations and did move the WB sensor closer.  After all that, I got the WB sensor to read within 5% RH to the 3 hygrometers.  This was the best that I could do.  I now keep a bluetooth Govee hygrometer hanging right over the WB sensor for comparison as you can see in the pic below.  I just cheat the WB temperature setting in the controller to match the Govee hygrometer.  One other thing that helped is that I put a wire tie loosely over the end of the wick so that air could not enter from the open end.  I cut off the wick once a week to get a fresh piece on the WB sensor.



Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

TBrown99

Thank you for sharing your experience with the L-53 (and responding to my recent post).

Why is it important to mount it on the same wall and low?

I have mine on the side wall and up high. It seems to work this way.

Quote from: blackhawk on March 22, 2023, 01:36:26 PM

2) The power vent which is the exhaust for your kiln should be mounted on the same wall as the DH unit. It should be mounted low on the wall.  This is shown in the L53 manual but the plan drawings have "intake" and "exhaust" reversed on the vent labels, so it is confusing.




blackhawk

You want to exhaust the air after it passes through the lumber stack and before it goes through the compressor.  The manual says to put it low because they are assuming that you are following their plans with the compressor unit mounted on the side wall.  If you need a more technical answer, it would be best to ask Stan at Nyle.
Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

YellowHammer

The powered and non powered louver vents need to be mounted with their gravity and air flow actuated louvers aligned with the vacuum or pressure side of the baffle, so when they are not operating, they are against the flow, being forced into the shut or closed position during non powered cycles.  So if a louver is mounted such that the louvers opening to the inside when on the suction side of the baffle, even with the exhaust fan not operating, the vents will open just enough to let air in (because of the suction) and will also push air out ( on the exhaust louver), which is very undesirable in controlling the kiln and especially when sterilizing.

You can mount low and high, high and high, whatever, it doesn't matter as long as you are getting homogeneous airflow in your kiln, which can be very problematic with the L53, unless you add additional fans in the baffles, and there are several topics showing how to do that.  In one of my kilns, I have both mounted high, in my L53 I have the powered vent low and the passive completely blocked with expanding foam.  Yes, only on vent is needed if you have power vents on the L53, the 1/4 hp air compressor plus the 1 Kw heat strips (which do not operate at the same time in the L53) do not put out enough excess heat where two vents are actually necessary as long as one is powered.  One powered vent will have enough cross airflow to maintain constant temperature.

The best place to put the fans is where they are protected and will not get damaged.

If your fans do not open fully, simply crimp a fishing weight to the vertical louver bar to neutralize and balance the weight of the bar, and that will make the louvers open further with less airflow. 

The powered louver vents do not seal well, (you can see daylight around the ends of the louvers where they join to the frame) and so I use a solid foam plug to cover them when I am sterilizing.  If you notice that your wood continues to dry during sterilization, it means you have an airflow leak and that hot moist air is being driven out of the kiln simply do to baffle fan pressure and replaced with dryer outside air, and which is picking up moisture evolved from your wood and causing further drying.   

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TBrown99

I have a lot to learn!

(I will make a short video of our install to solicit reviews.)

Thanks,

blackhawk

In case others run into this on your L53, my compressor does not cut off at the set point.  It turns off 1° above the setpoint.  Below is an example of how my L53 operates:

Wet bulb setting = 101F
Hy Comp parameter setting = 1F
Compressor turns on at 103F
Compressor turns off at 102F

Per Nyle, with the settings above, the compressor should turn off at 101F but mine does not.  Nyle did not know why mine is working this way. 
Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96

K-Guy


The way it works is, it has to be more than ne degree less, so it is actually 2 degrees.
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A common mistake people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
- D. Adams

blackhawk

Quote from: K-Guy on July 11, 2024, 12:48:22 PMThe way it works is, it has to be more than ne degree less, so it is actually 2 degrees.
I don't understand what you mean.  Can you explain with an example?
Lucas 7-23 with slabber. Nyle L53 kiln. Shopbot CNC 48x96