Guys, just one question, over here in the french mountains; huge tractors are unsellable.Not that I've seen, they are are bank breakers, big payments here in Alabama.
Are these cheap where you are? I guess in the great plains, they're not. But in more hilly places?
Case has some giant skid loader coming out this fallIt’s a TV 620B it’s weight is 16k and only 114 hp. Way under powered and will sink like a rock in soft ground. Bobcat has a big T96 coming out. But the King of the hill ASV 135 Forestry will be Released in December it’s weight will be 12990k and 132 hp with the MAX cab
Good eveningExcellent point especially since the OP has a tractor that would work just fine for handling sawdust and grading the yard. Skid steers are a very versatile platform but in no way compare to a machine like yours for sawmill chores. Yeah its fun to turn on a dime but the fun stops when you realize half the machine needs to be taken apart to find and tighten a leaky hose. Its also dangerous to be underneath frozen/muddy/debarked logs with only a piece of plexiglass to keep it out of your lap. Yeah you can swap to grapple and fight the hoses and trying to work around bolsters. Been there and done that. Grapple brush or drill post holes and a million other chores they are the got to machine. Many better options for logs and lumber.
In response to your post, you mentioned only lifting
of material. Skid steers have many other uses
obviously
From a previous business, I have a Gradall 524
forklift, 6000#, extendable boom, 4WD
It is extremely useful across the board
I would like to have a skid steer too, but the
prices asked for used are steep, and they are tough
to maintain / repair
I am a bit surprised that rough terrain fork lifts
are not mentioned more on the forum
I bought mine used 30 years ago and still going
strong
I have a number of very good pieces of heavy equipment that have been purchased for less
than than I can buy a skid steer of questionable
value and condition for
Just my observations
.
Ok, thanks a lot. I was talking about secondhand. Not new.Guys, just one question, over here in the french mountains; huge tractors are unsellable.Not that I've seen, they are are bank breakers, big payments here in Alabama.
Are these cheap where you are? I guess in the great plains, they're not. But in more hilly places?
I forgot to mention that this past Tuesday I was down at the Ag show in Moultrie, GA. I got to climb in a lot of different machines. They wouldn't let you run them due to all of the folks around. I still don't fit in a Kabota very well but I couldn't find out if it was the new larger cab or not. The Case and NH were basically the same machine on the inside, same buttons, same screen. I didn't do much comparing of the outside of the two machines. I know Case and NH merged several years back so they are probably coming off the same line. The JD was the same as the one I have so no need to crawl in it and look around. There was a Cat machine there but I didn't look at it as I'm not interested in them.If you ever run the cat machine you'll never look back at the other brands. Sure there are some that are faster, some lift more, etc. But cat puts it all together better and more comfortable. The company I work for has 25 CTL's and there all cat. We've tried several brands, but cat always seems to come out on top.
Cat machines have become very popular on construction sites, I'll say that much. I haven't been in any of the newer ones. My "daily driver" was Cat's original MTL, the 287. It was sent up to ASV in Grand Rapids, MN (where I worked) to be outfitted with an ASV undercarriage. It was a great machine, I'm sure it had seen some torture testing as the tracks sat skewed, as if a massive amount of weight had been sat on the machine. It didn't affect anything and the tracks didn't wear to one side or anything. Now this has been quite a while ago, so I don't know how many things on them are different now. For one, I don't think they are available with the ASV undercarriage anymore. Second, that machine had true pilot controls, I think they have switched to electro-hydraulic now. One thing peculiar to that machine, which was different than the Case machines I had always ran prior, is the Cat had load sensing hydraulics. On the ground, that meant that at first I thought it had very little power both pushing and lifting. The problem was I was running it like a Case, if you were going into a pile hard and started to drag the engine down, you better back off the controls quick or you'll kill the engine. The Cat needed the sticks full forward apply the power to it. Once I realized that I started going right through tri-axle piles of gravel😁 If I was buying a newer skid tomorrow, I would take a look at Cat machines for sure.Yep. Cats are made to be run like you think you should. The farther you push the control, the more power you have. As it should be.
In my personal experience, nothing comes close to the flotation and sidehill capabilities of the ASV undercarriage. It's been quite a few years since I have been operating construction equipment full time (10+ years), but I haven't seen much change in the basic u/c designs of ASV vs other manufacturers. I think Bobcat has a torsion setup in their uc rollers, Cat uses a torsion mount on the front of their uc to attach to frame. Other than that, everything is a rigid mount, rigid uc as far as I know. The ASV just sticks to sidehills where other machines slide. Flotation on soft ground or sand is also unparalleled. I'm not an ASV "fanboy" either, they are very high maintenance/cost but the performance is superior. If I was just digging, loading and such like a construction site or using it around the lig yard, I'd probably go with the lower cost of the rigid uc machines. If I was mowing on varied terrain, ASV all the way. YH, if you have a rental place local, I would recommend renting an ASV and trying it out for your sidehill mowing, I think you'll be impressed. I've had them on sidehills that were so steep that people that were watching went to get their coworkers to come watch, too😂 Steeper than a machine should be on, makes the hind end sore trying to stay in the seat on stuff like that, but the point us the tracks still grip in those conditions.Absolutely right! ASV is king and about to get even better with the new 135 Forestry (132hp) coming out with the MAX cab system like the current MAX 75 s. The new 135 will have 119 hydraulic hp to the head. 66 gpm. Four inch wider, eight inch color display, 55 gallon fuel tank and more. Like I said the others will mulch but when you get on the various mulching sites you will find out in a short time that ASV in the skidsteer game is the best. There are actually two true skidsteer Forestry mulchers it’s the ASV Forestry and the Lamtrac units. There is a reason CAT doesn’t call there Land Management unit a Forestry one. And the proven track system on the 120 ASV will remain on the new one.
I'm still looking at everything I can in person, including articulated wheel loaders, metal track loaders, backhoes and mini excavators.The ASV Max RT 75 HD would be a good fit for you if your not mulching everyday. Awesome machine, can run a mulcher very good and can do everything incredible
I'm not in a big hurry, and its interesting that I still haven't found anything quite as versatile as a CTL for such a variety of jobs around the sawmill and the farm. I've seen specs that a CTL it will handle slopes up to 35° without issues (Cat is rated for 45° as far as I can tell), it will move dirt (I move a lot of that), cut ditches and maintain fence lines (I maintain several miles give or take), move logs, run a bush more or mulcher, and other tasks. A CTL will do these fairly easy.
While mowing some of our roadsides and hill sides this weekend where I was sliding down the hill and leaving skid marks, I pulled out my cellphone and measured the slope angle and it was 18°. I went to my tractor manual and its tip over angle was listed at 20°. I felt better, because at least I was smart enough to stop and head to the barn. I'm too old for that.
However, as people have stated, I haven't found anything with as cramped a cab and as high maintenance as a CTL. Locally, in Huntsville, I have a Deere, Cat, and Kubota dealer.
I noticed while I was driving yesterday that a rental shop in town had an ASV CTL, so I would assume they are dealers for them, but I didn't stop to ask. I haven't heard a lot about them, but from what I've read, they are nice machines, with a very good reputation, but high maintenance and expensive track system. I would appreciate any feedback on them. I'm also debating my decision on 100hp machines. I have since learned that machines in the 70 hp class don't have to deal with lots of the EPA Tier 4 equipment, which is a bonus. Thats one reason why some brands use the 70 hp class as a cutoff (Volvo).
Be sure to determine how much time and trouble it takes to get in and out of the machine, change the oil, battery, and fuel filters as well as how you will put the track back on when it comes off to the inside while on that 20+ slope chocked against the stump that threw it off.Guys mulch with these day in and day out! You don’t have to worry about a track coming off in a ASV that’s a fact! They can but it’s rare. That’s why they guarantee it. I’m a big guy and quite honestly I find it easier than getting in and out of my wheel loader I had. In some aspects I can see the forks better than the wheel loader at different heights. Crawling and standing on the 20” tracks are nice to get to the top of the cab.
I called the nearest ASV dealer, (I've never talked to him before) he's about 45 minutes away and he fed me some info, so take it with a grain of salt and correct me if it's wrong. He sells the ASV 75 HD, which is already set up for mulching and says yes they repair them, and he hasn't noticed any unusually high undercarriage work. I asked him why rental companies use them and he said because people are hard on rentals, and he's seen them come back with hunks taken out of the rollers (are they steel or rubber?) and they keep working. He says they are easy to change, also.Yes the HD is for mulching. The independent bogies are rubber. The open design is setup to kick debris and stuff out. They can get chewed up and still function the same no problem
Also, he confirms what people say, they have a very soft ride, and he keeps one himself for use around the company yard for moving things. Says they are very handy.
Anyway, I may go out and look at it. He has one on order, but says it isn't scheduled for delivery until Feb, but says ASV puts a priority on delivery as soon as a customer's name is on it. He also said that ASV has been bought up by Yanmar.
So when you this say more expensive to operate, I guess when the tracks wear out at 1,000 hours the undercarriage needs replacing also?A lot depends on track wear if you do three point turns turning or doing cookies and what material your on. Warranty is 2 years 2000 hours everything
ASV does build a good undercarriage, I'll give them that. CAT has been using it for years on their MTL machines( all skidsteers with numbers ending in 7. 257, 277,287, etc). But all of their CTLs (numbers ending in 9. 259, 279, 299,etc.)have a Cat undercarriage with steel rollers and different tracks. The ASV undercarriage just wouldn't stand up to the abuse of running in highly abrasive environments such as crushed stone or sandy material.Disagree. People do it all the time. The bogies can be destroyed and still run fine. There are companies that make all metal ones for the ASV.
That's a bunch of bull on bending one of the jcb armsI thought the same thing but a guy that was looking at one for mulching was looking for opinions and two different guys that owned them twisted them from mulching 🤷♂️
They have made Loadalls for years with the same type set up.
I put my money on a standard skid steer type arms bend first.
They must have a Patten on it or everyone else would be doing it. And they know if they could build them that way they would.
That's a bunch of bull on bending one of the jcb armsI thought the same thing but a guy that was looking at one for mulching was looking for opinions and two different guys that owned them twisted them from mulching 🤷♂️
They have made Loadalls for years with the same type set up.
I put my money on a standard skid steer type arms bend first.
They must have a Patten on it or everyone else would be doing it. And they know if they could build them that way they would.
Well, that stack of parts looks pretty expensive...Thats about half the pile of parts under an ASV/cat bogie bottom. Look at microfiche for part 372-5769
How many hours before you did the rebuild?
The twisting they we’re talking about was just twisting or flexing not bendingThat's a bunch of bull on bending one of the jcb armsI thought the same thing but a guy that was looking at one for mulching was looking for opinions and two different guys that owned them twisted them from mulching 🤷♂️
They have made Loadalls for years with the same type set up.
I put my money on a standard skid steer type arms bend first.
They must have a Patten on it or everyone else would be doing it. And they know if they could build them that way they would.
So a guy you know talked to a couple of guys he knows that claimed to have twisted not one but two arms?
Just can't imagine why we might NOT believe those third hand tales. ::)
Got any pictures?
Do you think ASV is going to have a two year/2,000 hr. warranty on everything plus the track system if everything needs replaced before that all the time by the dealers under warranty. There are guys running much longer than that and less. Many variables on the tracks and undercarriage of all makesI am in no way knocking ASV or their undercarriage. It's a great system designed for speed and high floatation. I'm just making observations from what I've seen personally. Around here a machine with an ASV undercarriage is going to be used in a forestry or landscaping application 95% of the time. Most construction sites are going to have machines with non ASV track systems. I've used both and each has their place. If I'm going into an area that I need a light footprint, it will certainly be an ASV ou cat MTL. The cat 259 CTL won't come close to going where an ASV style will in soft ground. But on the other en of the spectrum, heavy pushing and abrasive material is where the cat CTL system really shines.
The JCB has by far the best entry which I really, really like, with a side door and even an extend a boom, and even though the dealer is a long way away, it doesn’t come close to the lift capacity I need, they only weigh 7,000 lbs by themselves. I have contacted the JCB corporate to see if I’ve missed something. So far, nada. If not for that, I’d probably get one.
Gary is correct. There are three different models in that weight range give or take a few thousand pounds. YH I would take a hard look at the JCB for sure. For what your going to do all around plus sawmill the side door is a game changer if you have the loader up in the middle and need out. All of the bigger units are going to lift more in the lower positions. As for the fifty percent tipping load. It is calculated when the bucket is fully loaded at full extension. It’s been awhile but I think I’m correct on that. I don’t think your going to go wrong with any of the bigger units they are all pretty niceThe JCB has by far the best entry which I really, really like, with a side door and even an extend a boom, and even though the dealer is a long way away, it doesn’t come close to the lift capacity I need, they only weigh 7,000 lbs by themselves. I have contacted the JCB corporate to see if I’ve missed something. So far, nada. If not for that, I’d probably get one.
I'm kind of surprised by that. The JCB Teleskid 3TS-8T weighs 12,615 lbs. and has a rated tipping load of 10,558 lbs. The rated capacity is 3,695 lbs. and I don't know how different manufacturers rate their machines but I think it would do everything you need.
Go to jcb.com/teleskid and book a demo and find out.
Sorry I haven't read all the responses, but I'll say that a skid steer would not be my first or second choice around the mill. The visibility with forks is not good on skid steers. Also tracked skid steers are not nearly as smooth a movement as say a rough terrain forklift, which would be my recommendation. I have a small Farmall BN forklift conversion that will lift 2500LBS and has great visibility.Maybe some makes but with pilot controls on all the ASV and CAT units I had they where just as smooth and precise as the wheel loader. Plus in the computer you can adjust boom speeds up and down on the ASV
It’s also rated at 74 hp, which is the lowest hp for any 12,000 machine I’ve looked up.
Just by comparison the new case TV 620 B tracked has a 6,200 lb operating capacity that’s 50% tipping load compared to the 333 John Deere tracked it’s 3,700 operating capacity 50 % tipping load.The 50% tipping load on the Deere 333 is around 4,700.
Correction. Those specs were the Deere 333E. The newer G model has 5,815 50% tipping load and a 11,630 tipping load. All the bigger tracked machines are going to have a 10,000 plus tipping load. That is with a bucket down low before the machine tips forward. Can’t go wrong with any of the bigger ones. More lift capacity, power and hydraulic flowJust by comparison the new case TV 620 B tracked has a 6,200 lb operating capacity that’s 50% tipping load compared to the 333 John Deere tracked it’s 3,700 operating capacity 50 % tipping load.The 50% tipping load on the Deere 333 is around 4,700.
I really appreciate all the responses.If this will make you even think more there are are 280 plus error codes on the ASV 120 😂
From what I can tell many people are saying they have done what I was thinking. A CTL will do whatever I need on the farm, and will also serve as a useful, although not optimized, piece of sawmill equipment. A good backup for what I already have, but also able to do things I can't do with what I already have.
Cat, ASV, Bobcat, JCB, Kubota, Gehl, Oak and Deere all have good and bad, but I am starting to consider the whole 75 Hp limit for DEF units, which don't have the brute power of a larger unit. Or rather go with the 100hp class units that have more muscle but will have issues with Tier4. It's a big decision - more Hp with DPF or less Hp and no DPF and possibly less troubles down the road. I've always said horsepower is king, but so is keeping it running.
Within the last two weeks, my Chevy truck has thrown two DPF error codes, both of which I've been able to buy parts and fix, but both of which would have cost thousand to repair at a dealer. So DPF is painfully fresh on my mind.
Interesting about the 870 lift height.Just FYI I used to trim some branches with my cat 289D and 6ft rotary cutter. It was a more or less a 12K weight class machine and just the weight of the cutter with no extension it gets a little "tippy" fully extended. The whole "lever" thing working against you.
When I talked at length to the JCB Mothership, they said the JCB 8T CTL's have two sets of hydros, and the low flow are the only ones that work when the boom is extended up to 8 feet, and although "they" don't recommend it, the machine can run a low flow rotary cutter, and many people use it to reach up into trees and trim very high branches and even reach out over pond banks and mow them. They don't recommend it because people get careless and throw debris at themselves.
The high flow only work with the boom retracted, and are for high flow munchers and cutters and such.
I didn't realize they were on different sides, or even that there is a standard side.
I've always discounted Bobcat equipment, but not for professional reasons. Many years ago, I had an acquaintance who worked for the local Bobcat dealer and he would joke about how unreliable the equipment was, and how they gouged customers for repairs. It kind of spoiled my taste for Bobcat. He long since stopped working there, he had to go away for 5 to 7 years, and I am hearing pretty good things about them now.
he had to "go away for 5 to 7 years"That don't sound so good! :o
"Keep your fire extinguishers charged up and handy."The irony is i bet every one of my extinguishers is dead or buried under junk right now!
(To quote Mike Belben). ;D
See, I never realized the issues with burning, I've been running equipment longer than I can remember, but have only seen one tractor burning real time, but it was put out. However, it caught up again, and then was put out again. It started with a bird nest up against the engine. I am upping the access/egress on my priority list. It's something the dealers don't talk about, at least to me. I guess if my rig catches fire, and am mowing a pond, I'll just drive it in and swim out. :D That isn't a good plan, but does reinforce that ease of egress and exit is important. I do plan on using this machine for at least 75% mulching, cutting, forestry work, dirt moving, gravel grading, etc, at least for the first year or two. I remember it took us a year and a half just to fully fence the place, so I don't expect to get everything ship shape in a month or two. I have lots and I mean lots, of gravel that needs grading several times every year due to car and 18 wheeler traffic, and I also have a gravel pit on our property, so graveling is a common thing in my list of chores.With everything your doing don’t rule out the above 75 hp or you will wish you had more
I have one road that was built by a bulldozer that's maybe a half mile long, cut along the side of a hill. Several lanes need to be mowed above and below along its length, and with the 18° degree slope, even my tractor tires loose traction and I slide sideways, downhill, and besides getting my heart rate up, it leave some unsightly skid marks that tears up the grass. Overt a period of time, the skid marks won't heal and start to trench with rainwater run off. So the damage gets worse. One thought is that I could use the CTL to mow initially, while at the same time use it start moving some dirt up to soften the slope so I can start mowing it with my zero turn.
The reality is that I could use a dozer, an excavator, and a wheel loader all the same time. But I can only afford one, so I need a "Do All" machine. Maybe it can't do it all optimally, but good enough may be good enough.
I'm also going through the lower than 75 hp models of each, seeing if they have the lift capacity but don't have all the Tier 4 junk.
I loaded a log on the WMSuper 70 today, and the loader arms wouldn't lift it.I am sure that a Magic Hook (end tong) chained to the log clamp would have rolled it over the loader hinge and allowed you to raise it. Yesterday I encountered the first log that I was unable to load without tractor assistance. The toolbox said 6283 lbs.
You guys sound like my grandfather. Next thing you are going to be telling us is how much a loaf of bread used to cost. :DExactly! You want to play boys you got pay!
I’m not giving up, just still looking. I called up my buddy at the New Holland dealership, and asked him if I was off base for the equipment I was looking for. I’ve known him since high school, and buys wood at our place, so he knows us and our farm. So I asked him if I should be looking for a backhoe or any other piece of equipment that could run a mulcher on the boom and still assist on the farm and sawmill. He said that a new backhoe was $140K plus a $30K mulcher and I could buy both a compact track loader and mini excavator for the same price. He said backhoes were going the way of the dinosaur as far as landscapers and local dirt companies are concerned, as people could get two machines for the price of one, and trailering was easier.Unfortunately, not that I'm aware of but you could rip through, pile it up and burn - not ideal, I know.
He told me that they just got in a Kubota track loader yesterday where the guy was mulching around a pond and the bank gave way. He ended up underwater and had to escape through the fold up front windshield. Apparently a very scary experience and he was glad of the front fold up door of the Kubota.
I need to find a full size ASV to sit in and I just found a Takeuchi dealer the next town over.
I have yet to find a Cat to sit in. If nothing else, you guys should be getting entertained with all the trials and tribulations I’m going through.
We are planning on visiting the JCB dealer when we have a chance to take a day off and drive there. That’s the problem. The dealer is a looong way away.
Jpassardi,
I haven’t really looked at full size track loaders yet, I may yet have to get there. Will they run a mulching head? Thanks for watching the videos. They sure take time to make and it’s hard to justify doing them, except people may want to see what we do.
In response to the guy that ended up in the pond. My deer CTL has a emergency exit latches on the door and the back glass. Even my NH with open station has a emergency exit out the back glass. I would hate to have to be trying to exit the back glass of either machine but they are there. Makes you wish they had the handles over your head that you pulled the eject and it just shot you out. I would probably land on the mulcher.Landing on the mulcher would hurt :D
Robert here is your opportunity to develop a ejection seat for these machines. You can then sell it to all of the manufactures.my 742 came with one factory. just drive fast and itll eject you.
I like breathing the fresh air, and I’ve also noticed that dusty cabs with fans and blowers simply recirculate dusty air the filters won’t catch, and it’s nice to ventilate the cab sometimes.you need to get the burrito fog cab filter option, its extra.
Haha your wife doesn't appreciate the horn, either?😂i dont take that crap either. have i got a skid steer story for you!? (nope, sure dont)
I know its an odd new world; but even with todays monopoly dollars, $100k is a substantial sum. Drive it at your place before you buy or do without.Yes it is. We have to handle a lot of boards, make a lot of sawdust, and pop a lot of aspirin to make $100K. That's why I want this to be a one and done thing. No do overs, no regrets, no wish I would have's.
That's the best argument there is for NOT buying the largest most expensive machine you can find. You do not need the machine with the maximum lift capacity for those few times you need heavy lift. You need a machine that will do most everything you do everyday and be a daily asset to your operation. Speedy, agile and comfortable will get more work done than big.
Yes it is. We have to handle a lot of boards, make a lot of sawdust, and pop a lot of aspirin to make $100K. That's why I want this to be a one and done thing. No do overs, no regrets, no wish I would have's.
Did you get the Kubota door? It's $3K, but my dealer also recommends the aftermarket ones, like the "Shield" version, 1/2" poly with a scratch resistant finish, direct fit for $700.So glad on the DEF issue...Mine is 3 years old now. I would rarely say this but...buy the Kubota version. The doors are heavy and are going to need fiddling and it is a huge failure point. I frankly think they should not sell them to anyone with a mulching intent without the door. To me that is borderline negligent. That glass will break, easily and there is nothing like a 5" diam piece of wood sitting beside your head to make you think about life.
The new Kubotas come with a 5 year DEF warranty, and he says they have gotten much better than in the past. He said they used to be a DEF disaster.
Do you have a picture of your strainer install?
Forestry equipment has Lexan windows for a reason.Exactly right! Extremely dangerous ! I can think of several recent incidents of people getting hit and very close calls hitting metal with the mulcher and it coming through the cab!! How and what ? One guy had a small piece of rebar come through the gasket area in a CAT 299 and stuck in his cab by his head. Lucky! Heavy wire also. A couple guys had some come through the metal. BE SAFE NOT STUPID!
Yes. Yes. Get the lexan. Cost me a right eye.Sorry to hear that! Listen to him! ‘This is a piece of rebar he hit and came through the cab. Hit his leg and landed on his lap. Pictures not real clear. Was on a video.
For what these machines cost i dont know why they dont have CO2 flood or dry foam suppression systems. Id expect the insurance industry to push them into that.I think it’s a option on the CAT. Really expensive
I’m surprised I never saw an OEM fire extinguisher on any of them. It’s required on my Forklift. I’ll have one on this for sure. Plus insurance.Like Barbender said on cleaning 👍. The ASV RT 120 F has a fire extinguisher in the cab and the rear window with guarding on it is the escape hatch. The belly pans are hinged and with 15+ground clearance it’s pretty easy to get underneath. If your not mulching all the time your not going to have to do it as often. Just be prepared and aware of all the dangers and you will be fine.
With these being so low to the ground, how can you even reach the belly pan? Or is that part of the problem, you can’t?
I’ll tell you something, seeing these fires in the rear end of the machine makes a rear escape hatch pretty useless. So having a front door or escape hatch that can open in any loader position is crucial.
What’s the best way to clean these out, pressure washer, by hand, leaf blower?
It’s fun and educational watching you spend money. 8)It’s fun for me too, it makes up for miserable days like today, selling wood in 25° weather. Brr.
Have you picked out a mulher head yet?
Thanks, I look into some of these.On the Kubota I’m not exactly for sure of what the specifics of that switch. It could be flow sharing like this or adjustable flow if you have a head that’s like 37gpm and your machine is 40gpm then you can adjust it down to 37
I notice there is an adjustable max flow switch as an option. I did get the high and low flow option, but I didn't specifically ask for the adjustable high flow. Maybe it comes with with it, maybe not? Is that something I should consider if it doesn't? I assumed if I needed high flow, I'd need all of it.
I'm currently looking for a used but good shape dozer blade and maybe a tree shear. No luck yet.
The perfect Reality TV Show. “A Day at the Milton’s”.That’s a great idea, I’m gonna film it for the YouTube! I won’t even have to saw wood anymore, I’ll be a gozillionare from the videos! Just drive around and crunch up sawlogs and film it.
dont worry, NW still has a buyer for walnut toothpicks with metal. ;DToothpicks have to be right much good sized dragon toothpicks....and walnut.
Much better business model...smash a few walnut logs and get 1 million views and laugh to the bank.The perfect Reality TV Show. “A Day at the Milton’s”.That’s a great idea, I’m gonna film it for the YouTube! I won’t even have to saw wood anymore, I’ll be a gozillionare from the videos! Just drive around and crunch up sawlogs and film it.
There no way I’d use it on a high value Alabama Walnut, but I’d have a ball with it on an Auburn pine, a Georgia Dawgwood or maybe a Clemson Tiger maple! :D :D
Bite, crunch, “Next!”
I haven’t seen a processor head small enough for a skid steer, but I’m looking!
This is what I’ve seen so far. It cuts to length, and then splits it for the stove. Who wouldn’t want on of these? Imagine what it could do to my sawlog pile?
I’ll look at the Hammerhead Attachment, also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40v6Nq5d-L8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40v6Nq5d-L8)
You guys do realize you are starting to sound like "THEM" now, don't you? (Quick buck, little work, I deserve my piece of the pie too!) I'm shocked, shocked I say. :D ;DMuch better business model...smash a few walnut logs and get 1 million views and laugh to the bank.The perfect Reality TV Show. “A Day at the Milton’s”.That’s a great idea, I’m gonna film it for the YouTube! I won’t even have to saw wood anymore, I’ll be a gozillionare from the videos! Just drive around and crunch up sawlogs and film it.
There no way I’d use it on a high value Alabama Walnut, but I’d have a ball with it on an Auburn pine, a Georgia Dawgwood or maybe a Clemson Tiger maple! :D :D
Bite, crunch, “Next!”
I haven’t seen a processor head small enough for a skid steer, but I’m looking!
This is what I’ve seen so far. It cuts to length, and then splits it for the stove. Who wouldn’t want on of these? Imagine what it could do to my sawlog pile?
I’ll look at the Hammerhead Attachment, also.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40v6Nq5d-L8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40v6Nq5d-L8)
have you ever seen one doing badly in curvy stuff? i have never found a video of that and have looked, since i plan to do a slide tray feeder slaved to the splitter like that on my own machine also. in my mind it should be one of the best processors in junky stuff if you can get it loaded on the trough.
Try running some crooked snarly firewood though that, great for the staight stuff/ Steve
is it me or did bigfoot completely clone the halverson processor design?At the beginning of the video it says Bigfoot is a supplier of Halverson products.
i dont necessarily think they are toys, so much as they cost a lot of money to do what a man can do with a poulan wild thing and a sears pole pruner.They make feller butchers in shears and cutting type 20” for Skid-steers and people do buy them
a young land owner (or a kid on a tree service crew) has the back and hand tools to do the job cheap, but not the money to get into these hydraulic gadgets. an old man with money but no strength or grandkids left, is probably one of the larger demographics who buys a machine like this so he can still maintain the back 40 alone into his upper years. if the tree service owner bought one for his young monkeys to use they would be backing into clients cars and running the machine out of oil and just costing him money overall when they have cheaper tools and strong backs to do the work.
they dont make a ton of sense to timber contractors because they dont have grapple arms to bunch and there are so many other options that are better suited. which timber outfit doesnt have a buncher, dozer, digger or crawler loader to grub out small trees? a skid steer shear isnt well suited for the woods at all.
they do make a good bit of sense for ranching where one is always trying to keep the invasives out of the pasture while selectively keeping a shade species here and there. id expect them on a tractor in that case but quick attach should be pretty standard.
I would think you’d just go around and bite it again.
Well the mower finally got in. It does a decent job and makes the CTL burn a lot more fuel. I've run it about 4 hours now and still learning little tricks that make it better. In watching all the different videos of these and the mulchers I always wondered why the driver was going back and forth so much. Well I'm figuring that out too. It is rather disappointing how fast these things lose blade speed and how much power it takes to get that speed back up. So it is easier on the machine to take smaller bites.What did you get?
Here's a few pictures of my mower.It does a nice job
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These next two pictures is of some clean up I did on one of my woods roads.
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I know this is irrelevant to any thing, but everytime I see the title of this topic, i want to add, "and tip cows" it must be the plural.Took me a few minutes, but I got there Jeff :) .
Good name for that one. You still using it?
Also check out the David Bradley machine.
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I think it was called the Widow Maker
I know this is irrelevant to any thing, but everytime I see the title of this topic, i want to add, "and tip cows" it must be the plural.I wonder if there is an attachment for that. It sounds fun.
Amazing the difference in great lighting with excellent LEDs
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Boy that exposed drive belt between the tires scares me to death on that machine. :D
Also check out the David Bradley machine.
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I think it was called the Widow Maker
Go big. Bobcat s300, cat 299, kubota 95, case 90XT, new holland LS190 etc. If you are a holder-onner id go with rubber tires and OTT tracks as needed.Where did you come up with 200 hours. I'd think 1000 t0 2000 hours depending on you treat them , Tracks are great in the mud and don't tear up the log yard as bad. I have both. I use the track machine a lot more but it's a side door Volvo which is hugh around a mill lot . Steve
Long term track frame ownership gets spendy. Someone just mentioned only getting 200hrs from an $1800 track. Then theres frames, idlers, tensioners, final drives, rollers.. Forget all that. The skid steer was invented to GET AWAY FROM undercarriage expenses. 4 tires is under a grand and lasts for years if youve got a plug kit.
Why would you need a tractor to plant or drill crops in when you could use your skidGood point. I should sell my tractors and pickup truck. Put an SMV triangle on the CTL and have no need to buy auto insurance or tags.
Just like a big Case QaudraTrac.More like this version of a Quadra Trac. :D
What is the seed?Thirteen different seeds. Alsike Clover, Blanketflower, Lemon mint and Canada Milkvetch just to name a few
Why not your retired. Just trade your tractor in for John Deere with IVT 31 mph. Heck my CTL in high is 12-14 mph and rides like a CadillacWhy would you need a tractor to plant or drill crops in when you could use your skidGood point. I should sell my tractors and pickup truck. Put an SMV triangle on the CTL and have no need to buy auto insurance or tags.
So you really aren't worried about the wear and tear on the tracks and gear? How many acres?Not worried at all. Ran over probably hundreds of trees most cottonwood and cedar and stumps from various sizes of a quarter to pop bottle size and a few bigger. With stumps two to five inches. Welcome to CRP. No matter how much you do, spray or how nice it is. Had a few get caught in the planter I had to cut out. But none in the nasty stuff in tracks. They would get kicked out. 58 acres officially planted. Takes a little time with a 10 ft drill.
What is the seed you’re planting? I deal with expensive seeds but 48 bucks for a cup and a half on that type of ground....ouchHere it is. The first picture is with the oats mixed in. All of the CRP mixes are fairly expensive. I had five bags of oats and used four mixed in and that worked perfect
Just a little jealous of your drill looks like a dandy
For me this is a skid steer question, others it might be a FEL on a tractor - what if anything are people treating their bucket with to keep snow from sticking in it? I was thinking diesel or a diesel/used motor oil mix sprayed on. Any thoughts?Try silicone spray.
Well I got my YouTube channel up and going. I recorded a video of my brush cutter doing some TSI in a mature stand. Don't have much experience with the mower or YouTube so be gentle. Don't even know if I copied and pasted this right.Subscribed Custom Sawyer
Some mowing on the John Deere 333G with a brush cutter - YouTube (https://youtu.be/agULTYDzfo8)
A stock early 1970s vintage IH 66 series 6-cylinder 2wd tractor(8,10,12,14 series it wouldn't matter) would pull any one of those machine's backwards in high range without spinning a tire.I doubt that with the weight comparable. I had this tractor and I’ll take my ASV over it any day of the week
I’ve got a friend down in Texas that has this and that’s the job it does
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I have seen a unit like that runI’ve got a friend down in Texas that has this and that’s the job it does
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I think this is why I may steer clear of carbide teeth disk munchers, although they look fantastic. The replacement carbides are up to $3,000 a set and I have lots of surface rocks.None of the disc mulchers that I looked at had carbide cutters.
Just to let you know some of these guys that are doing this everyday are trending to the smaller version of the disc mulcher There were a few reasons and one was maneuvering. You probably do know but Blue Diamond is a different company than Diamond mowers. There are several different outfits that do teethI would think that the inertia of a smaller disc would not be as beneficial a larger (heavier) disc other than the physical size for more selective cutting possibly?
Who runs a disk mulcher on here with drum head experience? I run a SVL 95 with a Fecon head.Guys that have both love it. They will use the disc for the speed of knocking a area down and finishing with a drum. A few more benefits of a disc is you can reach and get at trees in and under a fence line and other tight places. If your taking trees in various places the speed of sucking a tree in and spitting it out and traveling to the next one is way faster. Your material is not going to be as nice but some will say for pasture work the disc is dispersing the material with the bigger chunks so the grass can grow as opposed to having a bigger pile of fine material that would need a little more time to back drag out. That’s why you see guys that have bigger dedicated machines along skids with discs is the speed of mulching and travel speed. The down side is they are dangerous with the slinging of material in bigger chunks and not as nice of finish. The disc is way more demanding on your machine than a drum also
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battery arc?My situation was detailed here: LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=113386.msg1827093#msg1827093)
These are two different guys I know that cover thousands of acres and look what’s on the front of the skidsA lot tighter quarters around here. Did a 2.5 acre old homesite property for a couple days this week.
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I'm also looking at getting some long forks for it, so I can more easily unload freight off trucks, or even logs off our trailer. I had seen some sets, but they are only rated for 5500 lbs, which isn't strong enough. I've been looking at Class 3 sets, but I'm finding forks, but not skid steer carriers. Ideally, I'd like to get some 7 foot long sets, 6 footers minimum.Hey there YellowHammer, congratulations on your new toys! I ran into this same issue recently. I already had a set of forks and a carrier from a tractor that I sold a while back, but the mounting tabs were not designed to fit my skid steer. I cut the tabs off, bought a 1/2" thick mounting plate for skid steers and welded the carrier to the mounting plate. You may be able to find a set of forks and carrier used, buy a skid mounting plate for a couple hundred bucks and solve your issue. Possibly save some greenbacks at the same time. I know a set of 48" skid steer forks around these parts of Texas were starting at $1000. I bet a set of 72" forks would be a bunch more.
I haven't seen those bumper counter weights. I will look for one.https://armordilloguards.com/ (https://armordilloguards.com/) This outfit has some stuff for your unit. I’m not sure how thick their rear bumper is
After all the discussions and such, and after using it for awhile, I am very happy with my Brushmonster!I just watched you're video in the past day or two 👍
Brushmonster - YouTube (https://youtu.be/V7Y1q81Ow-o)
There is a company in another country that makes some really good ones for the ASV and others I will try and find
I believe JCB's largest track loader has a capacity around 3100 lbs. The teleskid is rated around 3700 lbs which I believe is the same as the Deere 333G
Oh boy. I'm in love. Somebody give me a boat load of money please. ;DCool log trailer! Thanks for posting the recent video!
The custom log trailer in this demo can be adjusted to carry up to 24' long logs.
Mecalac 8MCR Demo - Royal Cornwall Show 2022 - YouTube (https://youtu.be/yL3yZAUb3rc)
I heard the same thing, Kubota is coming out with a 120Hp. I'd buy one...I've heard that here (I think by you) and I believe on another forum. My dealership is...
What is interesting is that they sell many more of the small frame CTL's, the 10,000 lb size, simply because they can be trailered on a conventional 14K trailer, instead of a gooseneck. So they are much more attractive to rental and construction companies because they can be trailered by anyone, not a DOT or CDL driver.
Wait a few months. Demand will plummet and dealers will be offering deals again.This is what I'm counting on also although I think it's a little farther away.
Agree. The longer we go, the more the playing field will shift in favor of buyers. But the ball has started to roll. Mortgage rates are 2X a year ago and the Fed won't stop raising rates until unemployment gets higher (what they term the "employment picture softening"). Most believe a recession is in the cards (beyond the 2 quarters of negative GDP we've already seen), the question is how long and how deep. So, yes, the longer we wait, the easier it'll be to buy stuff - assuming we still have the money to spend.Wait a few months. Demand will plummet and dealers will be offering deals again.This is what I'm counting on also although I think it's a little farther away.
I know around here there seems to be a lot of folks going hunting or fishing that pull out on a Thursday morning. Get back the next week on Tuesday, then leave again on the next Thursday. I'm working like a rented mule wondering what they did on Wednesday to be able to take the rest of the week off. They do it two or three weeks a month.I'm with you on this
I wish you guys would hurry up and get one so I could see if if works good enough for me to buy one. :D :DFor your roads, hitch it to your NH, for shaving a grade down at that project you had in YouTube, put it on your kubota. 👍
Here is a video of me using mine. Please keep in mind that I'm not the greatest at making these videos.Great video Jake! Thanks for taking the time to show us how it works and your big green toy! Nice!
How I grade my driveway. - YouTube (https://youtu.be/vgOPsnwYPcg)
You can get it with SS mounts and 3 pt also. Here is a pictureI wish you guys would hurry up and get one so I could see if if works good enough for me to buy one. :D :DFor your roads, hitch it to your NH, for shaving a grade down at that project you had in YouTube, put it on your kubota. 👍
It's pretty simple to add a 3pt to the front of any of these, at least much simpler than adding the SS mounting if they don't have one handy on their lot.
ABI attachments also makes a commercial grade grading attachment for skid steers, SR3, and a 3pt hitch mount for tractors, TR3. I own the commercial grade TR3 and can't say enough good things about it. I've owned it for 4 years and have used and abused it in all types of applications. It's bullet proof, and simple to set up once you get the hang of it. If used on a 3pt hitch, I highly recommend a hydraulic center link on the tractor.The SR3 and TR3 look very interesting! I see Dirt Monkey is using one of the units from the company site. Sounds like on the SS that once guys get use to it that they love it. I like the hydraulic rippers!
IDM (http://idmcabc.com/)@barbender (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=1286) posted the link for the tool you need.
Got a line on a 2018 299D xph
Merry Christmas boys!The fire suppression that’s on it is expensive and good to have. FAE makes the mulcher and they are good.
Cat drum mulcher, who makes them and any good?
Got a line on a 2018 299D xph
Low 300 hours, bucket & forks, oil cooler and fire suppression for $110k.
I wasn't really looking for a Cat machine but the asking price has me intrested.
Opinions on the machine, price, Cats mulcher?
No it's a drum style mulcher. To me there's 2 types of "mulchers" drum and disc. I should have mentioned "drum". All the rest are varying degree of mowers. That's nots my commentary on their usefulness or purpose. 👍QuoteGot a line on a 2018 299D xph
maybe that is XHP mulcher?
Put up a link to see what you mean by "mulcher".
Like this one?
https://www.forestrytrader.com/listing/for-sale/215749773/2017-caterpillar-299d2-xhp-skid-steer-mulchers
Any opinions on the machine and price? It's probably unfair (I've never owned one) but have the feeling that Cat just offers them (ss & ctl) filling in the "spectrum" of dirt machines for their big dirt guys. (Brand loyalty and convenience)Merry Christmas boys!The fire suppression that’s on it is expensive and good to have. FAE makes the mulcher and they are good.
Cat drum mulcher, who makes them and any good?
Got a line on a 2018 299D xph
Low 300 hours, bucket & forks, oil cooler and fire suppression for $110k.
I wasn't really looking for a Cat machine but the asking price has me intrested.
Opinions on the machine, price, Cats mulcher?
From the picture, it doesn't have the ASV track system that I can see, more of the conventional Deere/Kubota system.That could be an advantage to many possible customers and I could see them eventually offering both like Cat. (Used to ?) More likely imho is they're using ASV's USA dealer's as a sales/distribution foothold. That seems to have been one of their problems "jumping" in and out of the US market over the years.