Just curious what gas prices are in different areas across the U.S.
This morning in Okla its went from 203.9 to 219.9 in one day.
Diesel is 235.9
2.35 day before yesterday
90.9/litre here. Paid 96.9 in central B.C. on the weekend. There were still lots of those big RV's with bottomless tanks on the highway.
got some 2 days ago. Diesel 259.9 and gas 239.9 at one station, later I found another station with 227.9 gas, no diesel, I had already bought at the higher one and got back to work.
It costs me about $60.00 (30,000 colones) to fill up the tank here (17 gallon) so that would be about $3.50 per gallon.
More significant - it is a week and a half wage for a farm laborer.
I figure for me to drive to the finca and back costs about 2 days wages for a farm laborer.
I paid $2.03 per gallon a couple days ago when I filled up the big ash SUV. :o
$4.59 an imperial gallon here for regular. It jumped $0.05/litre yesterday, about $0.23/gallon. Doesn't seem to crimp anyone's style here. I still see some folks make there daily 4 trips a day (tramp and tread) to their gossip groups and town. Some people's van engines never cool off. :D
2.199 most places 2.169 at BJ's Wholesale club (Member Price)
off road diesel 1.27 Filled tanks last summer :D :D
diesel 2.459
I paid 2.09 yesterday, But rumor is that it's going up 20 cent a gallon ::)
Regular gas jumped from $2.19 to $2.29 overnight! Diesel is hanging right around $2.38. Why is deisel suddenly so expensive? It was always a dime or so cheaper than regular before. Now it tends to be higher than premium >:(
Do you think the fuel boys know I just bought a diesel truck with a 38 gallon tank :-\
Regular Gas today is $2.33.9,but with my Krogers card it's $2.23.9
Houston report: Yesterday the station near my house jumped from $208.9 to $217.9. Looks as though most stations around here had a similar increase.
I just got back from lunch........they jacked it up to $2.46 for the "cheap" stuff. It was $2.33 this morning.
:( :(
Just got a call a little while ago telling me to hury up and fill up.
Price has been around $2.34.9 for reg unleaded.
Jumped to $2.49.9. :o
Here are two links for your area gas prices: SLC ranges from $2.08 to $2.25. (No E10 here, although there is an E85 pump in Clearfield that charges $2.469, about 25¢ over regular and gives you 75% of the mileage of regular! I asked how much they sell and was told "Oh, maybe $30 a day--some days nothing." Hard to understand why anyone would buy it.)
http://www.gaspricewatch.com
http://gasbuddy.com
Interesting that in the chat area of gaspricewatch the word "peak" gets bleeped. :(
-Doug
Went from 200.9 to 2.199 yesterday that e85 should be at 2.00 or less he is making the big bucks it sells for less than reg.
Dave
2.35 by morning. And to think the poor fuel companies calim to be taking the biggest hit ::) ::) :D
$2.19 this morning at 8 am. Coming home at 4:30 it was $2.25. >:(
Wal-Mart (Murphy's Brand from Arkansas) I filled up today a little afternoon I paid with a wal-mart shopping card $2.069 for reg.;D Thats the cheapest anywhere I think ??? This is East Texas...
I just filled up my tank with $2.10 plus tax off road diesel and filled my truck with $2.41 a gallon road fuel.
I'm madder'n a wet hen over it too. Just to let you know how it feels to be on the abused customer side of the transaction, figure this out.
I try to spend my money where I saw. I have a customer in Folkston who's family owns the oil company. Beause Georgia taxes are much less than Florida's the fuel there is less as well. Even though I only break even by doing it, I will travel to Georgia when I can to fill up.
Road fuel in Jacksonville, this morning, was $2.41.
The Shell Station in Folston, Georgia sells red fuel for $2.10, sales tax included. Their road fuel was $2.47.
I went to my customer's families station as I had planned and the red fuel was also $2.10. I filled up.
The road fuel was $2.47. I said, "Billy" you are higher than Jacksonville."
He said "yep, it keeps going up."
I said, "But, Billy, someone is gouging you don't have the taxes that Florida does, Y'all are usually nine to twelve cents cheaper than Jacksonville".
There was no comment. He just added the $5.20 sales tax to my $79.80 red fuel bill. I paid him the
$85.39 and discussed how I thought I was probably through sawing in Folkston.
"Pass it on", he said. "Everybody else does."
"Billy, I can't do that to my customers. They are end users. Every time I get into their pocket, it's me that's the bad man, not you or the fuel company. I'd just as soon quit as to keep them digging."
He seemed rather unplussed, and I left.
Returning to Jacksonville I bought the $2.41 per gallon fuel. My truck took $115.34 to top off the tank and i'm good for the next week. Another kicker is that the Pump will only deliver $75.00 at a time and then turns itself off. It's got nothing to do with gallons, just money. Do you want more fuel? Get out the card and prime the pump again.
Do you want to confuse a station attendant at a prepay station? Ask them for 5 gallons. :D
I'm thinking it's about time to park everything.
Regular was 2.09 yesterday, today it jumped to 2.20. Diesel is 2.39 today. I have to say thay I have not seen the prices so uniform from coast to coast that I can remember.
E85 around here is about 1.70-1.80 a gallon. There is a station 20 miles from here selling it. Older cars that were E85 compatible were getting 75% but the newer cars are getting better. Maybe the corn prices will go up if more people use E85.
Jason
here in quebec right on the ny border i paid 1.009/liter for super this morning
$2.38 reg & $2.49 road fuel, here in western Ma.
I left town this morning and gas was 2.09, by the time I got back it was 2.24
Holy Cow man...
It's getting to where ya gotta watch the stock market so ya know when to buy fuel... :(
we went to 2.499 today.
$ 2.47 cash price diesel !
I actually found ONE station that was still at $2.29.9.
Stopped to top the tank off, but will burn most of it on Sat. :-\
You know, the word gauging keeps coming up every where I go. Doesn't sound to far off if you think about how much different some of the states are with their fuel taxes and yet how close they are with the actual price of fuel. The question is who is doing the gauging? That is how far up the ladder ,so to speak, is it taking place.
It amazes me how often these stations must get their tanks refilled. Twice a day, by the looks of it! I mean, that is the only reason they need to be raising prices, right? Because the wholesale price of the gas went up? Or does their supplier charge them for the gas in the underground tanks as it is being pumped, so the price for that gas down their just keeps going up and up (and down once in a blue moon) as it sits there under the ground?
Just paid $254.9 for road deisel.
smiley_furious3
Regular was $2.199 here this morning...Premium was $2.399...cost me $11.999 to fill up the Hogley Davidson ::) :D :D :D
I filled up the pickup yesterday and paid $2.279 per gallon for regular here in Sanford, NC.
According to the local "Daily Rag", it's just speculation that is causing the increases. Right now, it's fear of the Hurricane shutting down production. >:(
Betcha no one knows how the GOLD Market is Manipulated ???
One Bank, holding the Gold, "LOANS" it to another, to get the price raised a few $, and then it gets sold, BUT, it never leaves the original Bank that "Holds" it.
I had lots of inside info on this deal. >:( >:(
I wood bet it's the same thing with Oil. >:( >:(
Construction is taking a beating here because the gravel haulers have parked their trucks. The rates were last negotiated 10 years ago and they simply cannot afford to operate any more. Cheaper to stay in bed than get up and fire the Kenworth.
Hey Tom you should try making hay and passing on the cost. Five years ago hay was 3.00 a bale now fuel is at least 4 times higher fertilizer probably tripple and hay well it's 3.00 a bale. Something wrong with this picture.
Gas was 2.09 about 3 days ago now it's 2.29. I don't know about fuel Guess i'll have to sighn over the farm on the next fillup ::) :-\ :'( >:( >:( >:(
Southern BC, just north of the border.
Regular gas $ 0.979 / litre = US$ 3.04 / US gallon.
Diesel $0.889 / litre = US$ 2.73 / US gallon.
37% of that is taxes from the various levels of government >:(.
In the winter diesel was about 10 cents a litre cheaper than regular gasoline -- about 30 US cents / US gallon. In the late spring it shot up to just over the price of regular gas. Now it's drifting back to where it was. I remember hearing 3 months ago that US reserves of fuel oil (i.e., diesel fuel) were high, but gas reserves were very low. However, you can break heavy hydrocarbons like diesel down to lighter ones like gasoline. Looks like the powers that be decided to create a diesel shortage to reduce the gas shortage.
Sawguy, yer in oil country -- no wonder it's so "cheap" up there :D.
In Illinois the ethanol blend gas should be cheaper than non blend . That is because of the tax rate , So if your station is charging more for the blend they are gouging you on price . I think that you should be talking to the states attuorny general. The E85 also has federal tax break so if it is more than regular there is gouging going on big time there. 2.34 in Strteator two days ago.
Hah we got you all beat diesel (road) $8.24 8)
and basic 097 petrol $7.82 8)
we're going away soon to where its already $9.69 and $8.31 :-[
but i think that maybe sweede can beat me on price, around 85% of our price is tax
iain
Iain, do you think it's cool for us to be paying these prices for fuel? :D >:( :(
If petrol/diesel continues to hike in price, we will see a lot more of Buzz-sawyer' type inovations. smiley_book2_page
Tim
Wife got home a little while ago.. She was P/oed payed $2.59/9 for super... looks like its headed for $3.00 hold on. Also spoke to a freind whose a buyer for a Heating oil company.. they paid $2.45/6 for fall future this week. he also ordered 2 extra cords of firewood and will be down next weekend to help spilt more..... Green wood is $ 175.00 a cord right now. Also heard from a local logger that he had to bid $100 a cord for a firewood job and didn't get the job. it went for $115.00 :-\
Timburr its way sad the price of most everything here >:(
BUT WE ARE BEATING THEM GRIT EATERS AT SOME THING :D
IAIN
Just before I headed off to the lake Friday afternoon I got a call from a real good regular customer. We haven't done anything for them yet this season though.
They wanted to know how much prices went up on account of fuel prices.
My answer was simple, "Not one penny, but we have a new policy though, the machine arrives on site full and it's up to you to make sure it leaves the same way.".
He thought that was about the most fair way he had heard of for passing on a cost that's so hard to peg down and said he had no problem with that at all, and then thanked me for being so fair. 8)
I like treating the customer like I want to be treated.
The boys said he was so happy he followed them down the road to the gas station to fill them up Saturday afternoon and even picked up the tab for cold drinks all around.
Another (still) happy customer. :)
Murf,
Thats about as honest as you can get and stay with something that fluctuates as constantly as fuel does.
North Idaho is 2.38 on 7/12 for reg..
Gas prices are still cheaper than they were in the late 50's.
Then they were about 1/4 of the hourly wage per gallon. Cheaper than that now, IMO.
But I still don't like the prices now, any better than I did in 1957. :)
In WI, we are around the $1.40 (I meant $2.40 :-[) mark. Duh! :)
Here in Central Pa Reg. is around 2.25 and diesel is 2.45 a gallon.
Guess I should plan on 2.55-2.60 per gallon for the piggy roast trip. At about 18 MPG, for 1375 miles round trip, equals about $185.00 in fuel. OUCH!!!!!!!!! :'( :o :'( :o :'( :o
Quote from: beenthere on July 12, 2005, 03:31:10 PM
In WI, we are around the $1.40 mark.
WOW! Maybe I should move to Wisconsin. 8) :D :D :D :D
-Doug
Doug
Glad you caught that. :D
:D :D There's an Exxon sign in beautiful downtown Sneads, Fla that says Reg Unleaded is $1.299. 'Course, it closed down several years ago. People still stop in, though. In fact there's skid marks all over the road out front! :D :D :D
Went to the Murphy station at Walmart to fill up the escape vehicle, Saturday. The sign on the road said $2.139, but the pump said $2.239. The price of "storm gas" was going up so fast they couldn't keep up with the DanG sign.
Regular went down to 2.19/gal. in town this morning. Dropped steadily over the last 3 days from 2.35 Sunday. We were in NY last week, about 60 miles north of New York City. There it was around 2.52/gallon, I found one station selling it for 2.45.
Yup, we are back down to about $2.37.
I figure the next big jump will put us well over the $2.50 mark. >:(
Went up another 4 cents. Regular is now $2.29.
Here is a link i found when looking for info on a 90 subaru justy 4wd and has a three cylinder 77hp motor said to get 60mpg but this says different thought i would share different cars and mpg city and hwy.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/byclass/Subcompact_Cars1990.shtml
I saw unleaded for $1.99 in Oklahoma City today.
I ass-u-me you filled it up? ;) :D :D
Fill er up :'( thats an oooold expressoin nobody uses anymore ::) :D
I do, I still like a full tank. Less runnin back to the station. ;D
::)
DanG...........course I did..............cept I only needed 1/2 a tank.
:-\
geez, HT, you should've driven around a bunch before you went to the station. Then you could've gotten a whole tank, eh?
Called our friendly propane dealer to get the yearly fill. $1.28/ gallon down from a record high of $1.32. They were expecting price gouging by the wholesalers to start earlier than normal this year. >:(
So what's the story on propane? Is it in short supply also? ???
Larry,
I'll check the DOE numbers tomorrow at work and let you know. The connection here at home is way too slow.
Bruce/subsailor
We are down to $2.22 for regular unlead, and still going down. :o
Although I think we will get another jump in a day or two. ::)
I just don't understand this (please note the sarcasim in this post ;) ).
The last big jump was blamed on the hurricane and was "said" to be because they had to leave the oil rigs and suspend production at a few of the refineries along the golf coast.
Now we have another hurricane passing through the gulf, hurricane Emily and the rigs were evacuated a couple days ago, but no price hike. ???
Does the US not use that oil?
Are there no refineries in Mexico?
. . .are they running out of excuses? :D
This was the big scare yesterday. It's amazing how gullible people can be.
http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/news/071905_NW_da_gas_prices.html
Larry,
According to the Energy Information Administration, part of Dept of Energy, the stocks for propane are running higher than the norm – 55.5 million barrels as of the 8 July vise 44.5 million for this time last year.
Currently most of the knowledgeable energy people that I deal with, believe that a lot of the energy market is being pushed up by the price of crude oil. Something called BTU parity. Example – the price for a million BTU's (MMBTU) of natural gas is running about $11.06 delivered in Missouri. The price of #2 fuel oil is around $13.63 per MMBTU in the same locations- I used Fort Leonard Wood to price this out. So the price of natural gas is being pushed up to/approach the cost of #2 fuel oil. The same thing is happening to the price of propane. There are about 10.93 gallons of propane per MMBTU or about $13.99 per MMBTU – based on your price of $1.28/gl.
Just my opinion, but back in January 2001, when Enron and the other energy giants found out they could raise the price of energy above the $10.00 range. They started running amok and charging what they wanted. Of course, it doesn't help any that in spite of increased drilling, the production of natural gas and other gas liquids continues to falloff here in the US. Propane is a by-product from "dirty/wet" natural gas.
Sorry to be so long winded. But I hope I shed some light on the cost of propane issue.
Bruce/subsailor
Thanks for taking the time to explain it Bruce.
Guess I understand...guess it is smart business for Big Oil to make money. Still sorta leaves a real bad taste in my mouth when I think Big Oil is going to make a windfall at the expense of the farmer. Wet harvest and propane use goes up to dry corn but the price of corn stays the same.
Larry fertilizer went up just as fuel did. But try to get an extra quarter for a bale of hay. That price has been the same around here for 5 years.
Anyone in the fuel business is robbing you without a gun and getting away with murder >:(
not quite sure how it converts over will look into it for ya, but here in oz we are $1.09 litre for unleaded and $118.9 for diesel
Apparently its $4.12AU for a gallon of our Oz fuel and $4.50AU for diesel which then converts into US$ as about $3.18US for unleaded and $3.47 US per gallon for diesel.
Geese this bloody @#%! has to stop, surely like any market if your customers are not willing to pay the price, then you have to lower it, these guys are just up-ing the price if they have to get out of bed, when the second hand is in the wrong side of their watch or maybe if they hear a bird call before they finish their coffee then it's up for each bird they hear. Come on we the consumer must set the price???
I think all the oil co execs get together over espresso and throw darts to set the price. Geez, 92.4 a litre here and we are sitting on the stuff.
1 example, if ALL the truckers in North America stopped running for 48 hours, things would change. If ALL vehicles, except for emergency vehicles would stop running for 48 hours, things would really change.
Supply and Demand. Supply and Demand. ;D ;D
Bought some "91" for the mill yesterday NZ $ 1.429 per litre looks like I'll just have to cut faster >:(
PS: = US $ .967/ L
Ernie, looks more like you need to find a big copper kettle, some flexible tubing and and a quiet place to build a little fire and get the corn mash boilin' some. :D
What don't run the mill will even make the operator go a little smoother. 8)
Murf
A few years ago, I tried making wine :( :( It was bad, I mean real bad so Jan went out and bought me a still so I wouldn't waste all that alcohol, what a wife ;D ;D
With all our scrap and branches etc from the logging and milling, I really should take a look at wood gasification
Hmmm, good point, Ok, stick with the aforementioned Crown Royal for the operator. :D
Seconded and passed unanimously ;)
Just paid $2.75/ gal diesel in San Luis Obispo socialist republic of CA. We pay 36 cents road tax/ gal plus sales tax. And the pol cats have split the money out of the budget for road repair and new roads and placed it in the general fund for all the other must have programs. less than 1% of the budget went for new roads. and we keep getting slower on the interstate. between LA and San Diego average speed is slow to very slow. Like 13 miles an hour as an average.. i live in the country so it doesn't affect me, but those poor people in the midst of it Melt down is coming. LC rich
Well it took a month, but we are at $2.55-2.56 a gallon for reg unlead. :o
We had dropped all the way down to $2.12-2.15 and then started to climb.
First time we have been over $2.50 that I can recall, been to $2.49 many times though.
They are calling for prices to be over $2.60 around here within about a week, we'll see. ::)
We hit $2.75 today. :'(
Chet.....
I got outta da U.P just in time den!
We tanked up at White fish point for a meager $2.64
$2.56.9 in Wolverine, $2.55.9 in Gaylord
Steady at .92.4/litre for 87 for the last few weeks. Now if the government would only use some of the tax windfall from the producers to fix the DanG roads.
Today it's $2.50 for reg. unleaded in North Idaho. 8/9/05
Its around $2.26 in Okla today 08/10/05.
Thought we were high until seeing the postings from other parts of the US.
I have friends from The Bahamas who are arriving for a visit this week.
They decided to rent a car in Miami and drive to Toronto instead of flying because with 2 adults and 4 kids, it would be cheaper than airfare.
I questioned the economy of it considering gas is around $2.40 / gal. and it's a lot of miles between here & there and back ...... ::)
When they replied that they thought gas was pretty cheap I was confused...... ???
They are paying upwards of $4.00 / gallon in the Islands. :o
when i went to town today gas was 2.29 reg and 2.29 for road fuel
When we left for the pig roast it was 219 today it is 245, bummer.
We did see a station with E85 today...189 a gallon...
I filled the truck last night at 2.47. I'm not sure today I played hooky today and stacked that trailer load of oak today ;D
97.4/litre here today. OWWWWW that one hurt.
Went to Greensboro to get gas for the lawnmower and Hootiemobile this evening. $2.369 for regular, but the power was out and I couldn't get it, anyway. Good news was, beer was down from $5.99 to $4.99 for a 12-pack of AB Natty Light. ;D That pretty much sealed my fate for the remainder of the day. :D :D :D
Now DanG dont forget that $1.20 rebate on dem cans in Michigan. Chet knows where to take them so you dont get in no trouble ;D
it is 249.9 here for now but weekend is comeing so that means another jump and diesel 265 is as cheap as i can find it :-[
jimbo
Here in washington pretty soon we are going to vote on an inititive to raise the gas tax by 25cents. A lot of folks dont want it i dont blame others especially with a govenor that put this together and cant even touch the money. This state should be split in half and let king county have there own state.
bob
1.049/litre here or $4.76/gallon
I can see I;m not going to travel up to canada and go moose hunting anytime soon >:(
$2.59.9 in Gaylord as of 10 mins ago :( >:(
I have a patented technique I'll share, but please ask for permission prior to using it.
When approaching the gas station, adjust your radio speaker balance until you reach the pump. Reading a newspaper works too. While distracting yourself make sure you're paying attention to the radio and not the big signs with the big prices on them.
Once you reach the pump, stop the engine and get out. Here's the tricky part, cover your eyes like you are watching a scarry movie and just peek through the small gaps in your fingers. Slide the credit card in and select the furthest left brand. If the nozle won't fit in, you're trying to put diesel into your tank. Do Not start pumping, your gas engine will not run very well on diesel. If this happens replace the pump handle and move on pump handle to your right and repeat.
Once the tank is full fumble around until you find your receipt. Keep your hand overy your eyes! Once your find the receipt, quickly shove into your billfold without looking.
Get into your vehicle, start the engine, and tell yourself, "Hmmm gas prices are pretty reasonable."
Once home, immetiately shove your receipt into the middle, or better yet the bottom, of your receipt pile.
Last I checked, gas was around $0.70 a gallon!
$2.59 and climbing!
I see in California it's almost $4.00/gallon in some locations.
Today average in Okla is 2.38, it went up about .10 overnight.
On August 12, 2005, gas is $2.59 9/10 per gallon in New Richmond and Hudson Wisconsin. Of course, Wisconsin has the highest gas tax in the country too which I think is 32.9¢ per gallon.
Knowing that Wisconsin's gas tax is the highest in the nation, it amused me that when I went to the Piggy Roast, gas in Michigan was more expensive by 5¢ to 10¢ per gallon. Now is that called windfall profits or just flat ripping people off? ::)
Saw a report today where major oil company profits were up 35-57% over this time last year. >:(
My, my DanG.....how could that be? Do you think they are charging the price of the $66 a barrel oil when they don't even have it in their refinery yet? Naw......they wouldn't do that....would they? Would they charge us the $66 prices for the stuff they bought for $50 a barrel? >:(
State gas tax list link. (http://www.michigangasprices.com/tax_info.aspx)
I'm now in Alma Québec and it is about $1.03/litre or $ 4.63 gallon=4.5 litre. But yesterday some gas station in Montreal sell for $1.18/litre or $5.31 gallon. Heating oil is around $.70C/litre . So soon or later it will have impact on all products we buy.
When I left for my holliday's with my nephews and son, last Saturday it was 98.9 / liter ... Get back from the camp yesterday and it is 1.04.9 $ / per liter >:(
Gas was down to 2.17 gallon last Friday and today it's 2:40
Just went up the other day >:( >:(
Local garage now $1.499/Liter
Germany :Diesel 1,12€, regular 1,27€, high octane 1,30€...prices are per litre... so Diesel is 3,96$/gal, regular 4,19$/gal and high octane 4,29$/gal
We hit $2.76 last night in Bluffton. Go figure though Montpielier was $2.65 now how does 25 miles make .10 diff ::). Price gouging at it's finest
Yesterday, reg jumped .10 to $2.45. Diesel is $2.39. It's just so hard to cut our driving back. Is anyone else having problems cutting back? Are is anyone else trying to cut back?
I've cut back for the last 4 years now. I rarely go on leisure drives now, except to keep from getting cabin fever on occassion. I just keep reminding myself that there isn't anything over there that I haven't already seen a million times anyway. Just go to work , the bank and buy the groceries. ;D
We cut back a lot Kate only goes to town once a week now. I used to drive around looking for trees now I only look if it's not to far out of the way on the drive home from work.
We've cut back a lot, too. I'm real careful to make my trips count to the max. I also don't drive extra miles to take advantage of "bargains." The extra gas used will usually offset any savings I might have enjoyed. We also share trips with friends and family. You cut your expense in HALF, this way. ;D ;D
Update from hot & humid Houston: Regular unleaded $2.54 per gallon.
And I need to fill up my Frontier today :-\. At least it's a 4 banger w/ a 5 speed. My wife's car is a Jetta 1.8T, which is kind a best of both worlds thing: It's gets great mileage when driven normally, but will get up & haul when you need it to. I suspect that VW underreported the 170 HP rating.
Aw ra best! Chris
Well we fell back down to $2.54, but I just got a call saying it jumped again.........$2.79! :o >:(
Here too. Jumped clear to 2.79. There really should be someone to answer for this, although its hard to answer if your head is on a stick. >:(
I'd like that stick to have a hole in the middle and a powder charge at the end.
It wasn't that long ago the news had a local oil big wig saying that there had never been a price increase more then 20 cents at a time. ::) (slowly counting to ten)
Problem is the gov't doesnt care the more the cost per gallon the more the money (windfall profits tax) they bring in. >:( >:(
GF
How is the tax levied? Is it a percentage of the price per gallon, or is it a fixed amount per gallon? I thought the latter, which would actually result in less tax collection if the number of gallons purchased would drop due to the higher prices. ???
Maybe the state tax and the fed tax on gas is levied differently too. Something I should check out for WI.
Edit
I checked it out, at this site
http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp
It is a fixed price per gallon, and WI is 32.1 cents in addition to the 18.4 cents the Feds get, the way I read this thing. WI is the highest tax of any state.
Yes, but some States like MI get tax on the tax. >:(
http://www.motorists.com/mi/gastax.html
Not sure how it is here in OK. I do know several yrs ago when the price was low the state was in a a major budget problem because the price of crude oil was so low. Now that the price is really high they have a surplus of money coming in. Below is an adjustement for the Tax in Oklahoma. My understanding is the higher the value of the barrell of oil (gross value) you apply the tax to that amount. I could definitly be wrong on this.
Oklahoma
Oklahoma Statutes title 68, section 1001(b) levies a tax of 7 percent of the gross value of the production of petroleum or other crude or mineral oil.
Okla. Stat. teat. 68, sec. 1101 levies an additional excise tax of 0.085 percent of the gross value of each and every barrel of petroleum oil production subject to the gross production tax.
It's the same in Canada, the federal sales tax, called GST (Goods and Services Tax), is applied to fuel sales as well.
That means we pay (here in Ontario anyways, and in US $ / gallon);
Provincial $0.463
Federal $0.347
That's a total $0.81 in fuel tax alone, then they add another $0.038 / gallon to retire the Federal Deficit, bringing it up to $0.848 / gallon in direct taxes.
Then there is a 7% sales tax on the total sale, including the first $0.848 / gallon in taxes already in the price. That adds another $0.059 / gallon. Bringing it up to $0.907 / gallon.
Then on top of all that tax on top of tax, is the sales taxes, both Provincial & Federal, added onto the cost of the gas itself.
It totals out to $1.20 / gallon of what we pay for gas goes to taxes in one form or another. ::)
$2.99 PER FOR DEISEL ALMOST CHOKED WHEN PUT IN $60 AND ONLY HAD 2/3 OF A TANK. YUK NOW IF I WAS A GAS SUPPLIER THEN I WOULD BE LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO HIDE ALL THE PROFITS. THAT AND 36 CENTS ROAD TAX PLUS 7.5% SALES TAX. YOU EVER FIGURED HOW MUCH THE FED AND STATE GOV GETS A DAY OFF OF THE ROAD TAX AND HERE IN CA ONLY 1% goes to new lane development. don't figure
My son told me that the DOT is checking fuel tanks on local trucks now :o now ya dont think
the famers would put red fuel in their trucks do ya ;D
I paid $2.68 last saturday.
tnlogger,
Farmers wouldn't do thattttttt.............I put my own red dye the tank officer, cause I think I got a fuel leak and I wanted to find it. :D :D
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
What do they do RANDOMLY search your vehicle?
If so , what would happen if you had a locked gas tank?
So, if there are windfall profits, how come the new energy bill has tax breaks for oil companies?
Normally it's the Internal Revenue Service doing the fuel checks in conjunction with the DOT. If you get caught there is a large fine. From a couple thousand to over a million. I can't find anything that says how it's decided. ::) Have heard of keeping an empty bottle of Marvel Mystery oil or transmission fluid in the truck to show that you put it in the tank to clean the injectors.
One thing off topic, According to Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa fuel fraud robs tax payers, and it's dangerous to have large amounts of fuel moving around the U.S.. A substantial amount of fuel fraud involves jet fuel. It seems that more jet fuel is produced and imported into the U.S. than is reported being bought by the airlines. Therefore, highway fuel tax evaders are to blame. They are somehow buying jet fuel inplace of deisel.
Does anybody know if jet fuel is that much cheaper than diesel? It used to be sort of high. ::)
My son tells me jet fuel is just under $2 a gal. here in the Los Angelas area.
Gas at $2.80/gallon today in Cadillac West where it usually has been cheaper than other parts of town.
Gas jumped .10 Sat to $2.45. Well it jumped again, .14. It's $2.59 now for reg. >:(
If your supplier put died fuel in your road fuel tank by mistake ,you will be in trouble for a long time . the die will last a long time and the test will pick up a very minute trace of the red die. I was also told that mowing the roadside with died fuel was againts the law also . They claim that is not part of the farming operation.
>:( >:( :( :( :'( :'( TOO DANG MUCH :'( :'( :( :( >:( >:(
"I was also told that mowing the roadside with died fuel was againts the law also . They claim that is not part of the farming operation."
Now that is a crock if I ever heard one. What happens if you don't mow the roadside because you only have farm fuel?
Hit $1.02/litre here. 3.78litres/U.S. gallon. OWWWOOOOO. Guess we can sqwawk all we want but it is not going to get any better.
Now is the time to patronize those gas stations that are slow to raise the prices and fast to reduce them and that keep the price lower than others. Patronize them even if you have to drive a little extra to get to them. Let the ones that are ripping people off want for customers.
The local news just did a story on refineries. There is currently only one in MI, and it would take 15 years to get through the permits if someone wanted to build another in MI. :o I sure hope I heard that part wrong because they also said the US is currently importing 10% of our daily amount of used gas.
They also did a poll asking if you would stay home Labor Day to protest gas prices. ::)
Results: 91% yes ( I belive there were less then 350 votes though ::) ::) )
We keep hearing about refinery problems in the US, but I think we are importing more and more of our gas from Mexico and Venezuela.
I'll beleive people are driving less when I see it. I just wonder how long it will be until some of the truckers go bankrupt.
It'll hurt for a while, but I'm sure the truckers will just raise their rates to compensate. It will be worse on the small operators who are locked into a contract of some sort.
Here's one to get your blood circulating this morning; My stepson works at a Pizza Hut, and part of the time he does deliveries. He has to buy his own gas for this. The restaurant is imposing a $1 surcharge on all deliveries to offset the fuel cost, and the customers don't seem to mind. The restaurant is keeping HALF of the extra money, even though they have NO fuel expense themselves! >:( >:(
Most 'home grown' farmers here mow along the ditches of the road next to their fields. If they don't the alders would be over the road. There is one section of road above me that doesn't have bordering fields and the alders are almost over the road. >:( I live on a road that dead ends in winter because of snow, but I've seen more remote roadsides that the government sends men to brush and chip the road ditches. They've never done that here in all my time. ::) Now you could imagine what a jungle the roadside would be without someone swinging a bush hog out over the ditch. ;) There are some farmers that don't mow their ditches, but they are mostly 'outsiders'. They let burdock, dogwood and willow take over their bordering ditches. Kind of a fashion statement. ::) :D :D
Over the last couple of years I've seen a high attrition rate among mail and flyer delivery people. I can't see how they can make it pay driving around in minivans. Most that have survived are now driving in Toyota Echos or similar cars. Pretty soon they'll be sending the pony express.
time to think steam
Most flatbeders I know are having good luck raising their rates. Us dryvan haulers have always had lower freight rates,and now they're really low comparitively speaking. The rates don't increase. The fuel surcharge does. Right now most customers are paying a .15 per mile fuel surcharge. To get us back close to where we were last year, we need another .14 per mile. What makes it really hard are the big companies. For instance, a few years ago, when the fuel price first jumped there was one company , starts with JB, getting their fuel subsidized by the gov. To help freight rates. There was no way to raise our rates at the time because alot of our customers were just going with them. >:(
I just talked to my old boss at the gas station i used to run today. He is selling his gas at cost because he doesn't want to raise the prices . Most gas stations only make about 3 cents profit on a gallon of gas.
In Minnesota it is a state law that every gas station must make at least 8¢ profit per gallon. That is supposed to keep the big gas companies from running the little guys out of business. I don't know if Wisconsin has that same rule or not. By the way, here in New Richmond, Wisconsin and also in Hudson, Wisconsin gas is $1.74 9/10 per gallon. Across the St. Croix river in Stillwater, Minnesota gas is $1.61 9/10 per gallon.
QuoteWisconsin gas is $1.74 9/10 per gallon. Across the St. Croix river in Stillwater, Minnesota gas is $1.61 9/10 per gallon.
This correct, Charlie ???
Trucker strike has started here. Diesel in my truck this morning, $2.73--Gas $2.66.
One famer here in Oklahoma has 4000 acres of farmland he normally raised wheat on it. Since the price of natural gas has been on the increase he cannot afford to run hi natural gas fired irragation pumps. According to a news article this next year he is going to plant it all in sunflowers and start making bio diesel.
Here is also another interesting thought. ::) Th gov't can spend million and millions on baling out airlines etc. Why cant the govt invest in building some bio diesel plants instead of wasting tax dollars?
That's easy. Follow the money and the PACs. Airlines help pay campaign expenses and have high paid lobbyists, taxpayers don't. I have a feeling that oil companies wouldn't be too happy about bio diesel plants, unless they own them.
GF
I like biodiesel and I make it........BUT it is only a tiny bit of any possible solution........IF we converted all the food waste, and ALL available crop land to biodiel production....we still could not run our country on it.
However it IS a fantastic way for individuals to eliminate thier fuel bill 8) 8)
Buzz,
Have you thought about making ethanol. Found a website that might be of interest.
http://www.alcohol4fuel.com/index.html
Thinking about giving it a try. I was wondering if it would be possible to use my outside wood funance as a heat source.
How do you make your biodiesel?
Ron
now my dad did that :D but he made his with potatoes and used it to fuel himself and friends ;D
Ron
It is possible to use your sawdust to produce alchohol............... ;)
This article might be of interest.
http://www.elements.nb.ca/theme/renewable_energy/wayne/groszko.htm
I heard on the radio yesterday that, considering the State of Michigan's fleet of vehicles and average daily usage, the State pays $67,000 more per day for every 1 cent raise in gas prices... amazing when you consider that it's been regularly going up a few cents a day in many places.
68 Canadian dineros to fill the Ranger today. Yikes. The exchange rate isn't that bad. Sure glad its not my old Ramcharger with the 129 litre tank. I'd hafta go on welfare.
They mentioned on the news last night that there was someone interested in reopening the other refinery in the state that closed in 1999 and was partialy torn down. Seems they are talking about making a bio fuel there.
68 bucks to fill the Ranger yesterday :'(. Sure glad I don't have the Ramcharger anymore.
Just passed a Shell station tonight $2.73 for reg
time to tune up my bicycle
$3.08 >:(
$2.74.9 at 4:15PM and they were changing the sign to 2.99.9 >:( >:( :( :( :( :( I got in just in time. Pretty bad when you're happy to pay "only" 2.75 for gas ::)
299.9 here, all over town. I saw the governor of Montana on one of the talk shows today, talking about coal gasification, which apparently is very clean. It's costly to set up, but the new energy bill has taken care of that, so their setting up a refinery in Montana. According to him, if the US were to go that way, we would have enough coal to totally supply our needs for fuel for 100years! No need for oil, and it would be much cheaper. Right now, using current technology, the cost is only $35 a barrel! Go Montana, that's what I have to say!
I've been thinking along the lines of a sail boat, but, my wife doesn't like the idea. :D
the 10 PM news tonight, says tomorrow it will likely be $3.20 a gallon...
hum, either my ATV or my bicycle is looking real good now to get to work!
$2.69/gal, I know the owners and they tell me they are selling it at cost.
Diesel @2.61.9 today & $2.91.9 tomorrow. Gas is so high it takes a $20 to fill-up a chainsaw. smiley_chop
My Labor Day weekend trip is kinda up in the air, with gas this high I'm not sure if I'm happy or sad. :-\ ::)
2.50 a gallon as of Tue. aug. 30
Tom, reg unl. was 2.55 mon. The tankers were lined up for a mile at the fuel depot though. When the new shipment got here is when it went up .14. The supplier says the next shipment should take another .15 jump. Due to hurricane Katrina. >:(
Paid $83.50 for 3/4 of tank and last year was $53.00 >:( When I got the car three years ago it cost $25 to fill it, now it's $20 for 1/2 tank. :'( Good thing is my Alero gets 40 miles/gallon. :)
Just took a trip to pick up an e-bay purchase. Diesel was $2.75 here in NY, $2.65 near Scranton, PA and $2.55 south of Dover, Del.
Regular unleaded in Okla today average price is 2.98 a gallon. it went up .20 a gallon yesturday and about .15 a gallon today. Two days ago it was 2.50 :o :-X
If they open they open the oil reserves up I am curious if the prices will drop the same day they open it or if they say it will take several weeks. I am guessing several weeks. Should drop the same day because it goes up the same day if something happens to decrease production.
Guess nothing like selling reserved oil that was pruchased for $20 or $25 a barrel for $70+ a barrell.
GF from what i read the reserve oil is a loan to be piad back with intrest so if an oil co. gets 250,000 they pay back in same to replace the reserve.
Oh yea I forgot the gov't is a non profit organization. :D ;)
This morning regular self serve was $2.79 per gallon at the cheapest place I saw. $2.85 was about the top price. :( This is in Sanford, NC.
You guys kidding ???
The news just reported it's up to $3.50 a gallon in MI.
They showed one place that was still $2.89 and they were REALLY backed up.
The main problem with the reserve as I've been hearing is refining capacity.
We were already pushing the limit and N.O. was a central hub for refining. Even if they release crude reserves, it still needs to be refined before we can use it.
They are calling for possible gas shortages here in MI real soon.
Just saw this on CNN
Ben Brockwell, director of pricing at the Oil Price Information Service, said Wednesday. "There's no question gas will hit $4 a gallon," he said. "The question is how high will it go and how long will it last?"
I'll be riding my motorcycle more and more.
Gas here just went up to $2.89/gal. A few miles over it is $3.17. Our next supply here will be $3.07 at cost.
I paid $3.19 today to top off a friend's van I used to haul some stuff... ::)
They said in Des Moines it is at $3.25. Here it was $2.70, but I imagine it will go up very soon.
Was $2.99 on way to the woods this morning and $3.39/gallon at noon on way home. :'(
See if THIS will frost yer agates !!!
According to a very good source, when the gas stations down here go dry, there will be NO shipments of gas for 2-3 weeks. >:( >:( >:(
It's all going "UP NORTH ". >:( >:( >:(
After mentioning this to my baby Daughter, she says, "Yeah, I heard that on the radio, coming from CITGO".
we hit $3.59 here for the cheap stuff today. They (bosses at work) were telling us to go fill our cars because most stations in the area will be out of gas by 5:00 PM tonight. Don't know if it is true. I do know that where I filled up at at lunch said they had about 2 more hours and they would be dry and had no idea when they might get more???????
Here is a story that just appeared on CNN that says gas will soon top $4 per gallon and explains why.
http://money.cnn.com/2005/08/31/news/gas_prices/index.htm?cnn=yes
I had to drive my wife and the widow lady across the street and her (blind) daughter to Fashion Central (Wally World) this morning.
As I passed the gas station I usually stop at I noticed the price sign changing.
The price of gasoline went wayyyy up, from $4.35 to $5.25 a gallon, the diesel didn't change at all.
That makes the spread between gas & diesel $0.917 a gallon. :o
I'm likin' that ole rumblin' diesel sound better'n better every day. 8)
CNN just had a spokesman for Pilot Travel Center ,the nations largest chain of truckstops, saying that 45% of their stations would be out of fuel nation wide in 48 hours. :o >:(
I think the USA is about to find out how fragile the supply line is. :'(
Has anyone else heard this. Local radio is saying for the time being you can run Off-road diesel in your vehicle. I caught most of it,but haven't seen it anywhere else. ???
Gas went up to $2.79. That's a 34 cent change in 2 days. I've heard nothing about a loss of supply, here in the East. But, we have most of our refineries in NJ and DE. I think we even have one down around Philadelphia.
CNN just announced up to 4.99 a gallon in down town Atlanta. Many stations 10 gal max.
I'm 2 hours north of Atlanta and prices have posted over $3 a gallon earlier today and station owners said poss another .20 tomorrow. I guess I'm going to be staying home for a while. I hope it clears up a little in a week, I have to drive to south FL. Could cost $500 one way at these prices.
pat just came back from filling the van >:( 44.69 for 16 gal
i thick i'll stay here it is so much cheaper and a whole lot more fun :D
$2.99 per gal. Fla panhandle
Went thru Brattleboro, Vt. at 11:00 am, gas was $2.65. When we came back thru from picking up a Turner edger, it was $2.86 I Greenfield, Ma. its $2.95. This talk of running out scares us, even up here.
here in the province of Quebec the price goes up to $1.34/l or $6.03/gallon. I'm tinking of rediscovering the benefit of walking.
I paid 2.71 in Oneonta on the way to meet my supply truck,on the way back it was 2.99.Sheese,I was only gone for an hour!
My job forced me ride around most of Atlanta today...prices seemed to be around $2.79 earlier this morning...the talking heads on the local news started telling all the listeners that there was going to be a shortage on gas and everyone needed to fill up today...prices almost immediately rose to around the $3.50 range and the lines to get gas were in most places 2-3 blocks long....some people said they had been waiting to gas up in excess of an hour :o :o and all the pumps had a sign on them saying that there was a 10 gallon limit per vehicle....I saw several signs in front of gas stations saying they were out of gas by 4pm this evening....one place I stopped said they weren't expecting more gas till the first of next week :( :(
The governor of the state of Georgia held a press conference this afternoon...among other things he has relaxed the EPA regulations on the refineries and the additives that they put in fuels, hopefully to be able to boost production in the weeks to come....see attached link for the report from the local news..
http://www.wsbtv.com/money/4919369/detail.html
As I got closer to home and farther from the city I stopped to fill up the scooter...it took $15 to top off the Hogley Davidson >:( >:(
In Port Huron within view of the Blue Water Bridge, 3.19 for regular a noon today. Shipping is going to go through the roof. The prices of wholesale fruit and vegetables on Eastern Market in Detroit has rose high all ready. Inflation is going to kick in quickly. I will have to try to pass on the rising costs in my vegetables if I can but it is hard.
Farmerdoug
It was $2.89 9/10 here in the Fox Valley as of noon. I'm sure it has gone up more by now.... >:(.
I am currently making a digital code lock for my dad's gas/diesel pumps on the farm. Locks can be cut, hot wiring a gas pump takes more than just brute force.
Jason
Went up .30 cents today to $2.79 for regular. I bought about 80 gallon. I think it will be $4-5 soon, I hope I am wrong!!!!!!! It is going to be a rough ride, already changing some business travel plans as the broader markets of discretionary spending are going to get tight at all levels, the pardigm of cheap fuel is about to change. Time to rewrite some business plans!!!!!
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In East Jordan, Mi yesterday it was $3.56 early afternoon. When we passed back through, it had dropped to $3.51 Day before it was $2.90 On the news last night a station in a small village near by is selling gas in the $2.80's I guess we will be driving that extra 8 miles to fill up there. I don't even want to think what it is going to cost to fill our farm diesel tanks.
If the rumor I just heard is correct, gas prices just hit 3.47 down here. That is a jump of 90 cents in less than a week. I can't help but think someone is putting some major cash in their pocket.
my sons father in law works for the county and they have sent the reg crews home to save fuel it seams they cant get any. they are saving what they have left for EMS and fire depts and law enforcement. ???
I gotta ask those that are smarter than me, Has anyone thought about who is trading the crude on the COMMODITIES Market ?? THAT'S where it seems to me to be making the big profits. Could it be Osama, with his millions, buying and selling on the Market ?? How about BIG OIL Exec's ??? How about the other Billionaires ???
This whole scenario started Trading Crude in 1986 ??????
Today here in Greensburg Pa. UP OVERNIGHT FROM $2.79 TO $3.08. STILL CLIMBING.
HEY, GEORGE W.... GIT DOWN THERE AND HELP THE FOLKS, DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHY AREN'T THERE CONVOYS OF NATIONAL GUARD AND RESERVES HEADING DOWN THERE? OH YEAH FORGOT THERE IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REID
Last nite, ( as I was riding my bicycle back from the fire dept.) I notice gas was up to 2.97 from 2.77 earlier in the day.
Going to have to fuel up the woodmizer today :(
Hmmmmm....perhaps I'm stupid, but did every gas station in America get the tanks filled last night? The gas company's cost's didn't go up with the same gas that was in their tanks yesterday!
The station where I gas up was $3.10 for regular....yesterday it was $2.74. When the lady asked if I wanted a receipt, I said, "You betcha, I want proof I paid $3.10 a gallon!" Then I said, "Did you get a gas delivery yesterday or today?" She said no. I said, "Then why are you passing on costs of increased gasoline that you haven't even PAID yet?" She said, "It was the company." ::)
Did the Alaskan Pipeline blow up or something?
Our news just reported that some gas stations in Atlanta, Georgia were charging $6 a gallon yesterday. ::)
Well the governor was speaking out against it according to the news.
Someone else said it had more to do with people's over reaction to rumors, and that is what is causing the gas shortages and what not.
Roxie,
It is the inventory method they use, LAST IN FIRST OUT, where by they charge the current replacement cost of that inventory, If you were the one selling it you would do the same. Envision an old hardware store. He has had those bolts/nut on the shelf for 20 years, the box says he paid $1 each you now have to pay the going price to replace them, say $2. He has paid tax annually by retaining them in his inventory and for storage (essentially). It follows that line of thinking. I am not defending the OIL CO. just providing insight.
REID
Isn't that what we do with lumber? If you have lumber on the shelf - you don't sell it for what it cost you when you harvested it (or worse yet, planted it) but the current replacement cost.
Our govt has been sleeping since 1968 and never woke up yet. Last refinery was built in 1968 according to reports. I guess they thought the population was going to stay the same as it was in 1968 for the next 100 years. :o
Supply and demand? Has anyone evey question how many 100's of thousands of gallons of fuel are being used in Iraq daily? That is where the demand went. I would be glad to cut back my driving, if I cut it back any more I will not be able to make it to work.
My wife just called and said a co worker just paid $5.50 a gallon this morning in NE GA. :o
All of a sudden my prices here are starting to look really good! :o
Our entire crude oil distribution system and refineries are 35 years old. Even though the refineries have been upgraded for some production increases, no new refineries have been built or are planned to be built in the US because the EPA regulations will not allow one to be built.
Do you want one in your neighborhood?
Even the refineries in the northern part of the US are fed crude from pipelines from the gulf ports.l
1.66 for a half gallon. the pumps around here are so old they cant read over 2.99, so they are pumping half gallons.
Our local gas station = nz$1.60/litre (96)
In Houston: Yesterday regular unleaded was $2.58, this morning it was $2.86. Who knows what it'll be this afternoon...
I just talked to a fellow in Atlanta about some business. He said that the prices on TV are correct. He said many stations are empty. Says there is an station ( discount beverage and gas ) that has marked up to $8 a gallon and is refusing to sell anything to anyone that isn't buying gas.
I would never purchase another thing from that business and make sure no one I know did either. I'd do my part to put them out of business for sure.
There is a station up the highway a bit that advertises $.989 a gallon.
It's been closed about 3 years. ;D
Here its 1.25$ a liter for regular .... And going up . It was 1.35$ in Montréal last night .
My local new comes out of Atlanta.
The pumping lines that serve all of GA are up. One line is at 38% capacity and the other is at 27%.
They electric crews are making repairs to the pumping stations power grid and both lines say they will be 100% capacity before the weekend is out.
I read on the net that both lines go'n to the northeast also run thru Mississippi so you guys up north should get gas soon too. Prices probably wont come down to much though. ???
On the way home today, one place had $2.99 (up from $2.65 in AM), the next station had $3.09 (up from $2.79 in AM, the next one was $3.19 and the last one was $3.39. I topped off on Monday for $2.45 at that station.
Give them a few more days, and prices will drop. But, watch the oil companies profit on their quaarterly reports. Then ask yourself why congress gave them a tax break in the latest energy bill.
To make money in commodities, you should buy a gasoline put at the current level for several months out. It gives you the right to sell a contract at a set price. If the price drops, you pull in the bucks.
90% of the commodities are traded with large traders.
New Richmond and Hudson Wisconsin are $3.20 today and Stillwater, Minnesota is $2.99. I got a little over 15 gallons in my truck in Stillwater and it cost me over $46 >:( :o
I fulled up tonight $2.699/gal, and have seen it as high as $2.989/gal, Hold on it's going to be a wild ride.
I filled up yesterday and was surprised to find diesel only(?) $2.81 as I had expected to see well over $3. Reg. unleaded was selling at $2.99. No supply issues that I know of around here.
I can't figure out why our gas prices jumped because crude is still under $70/barrel or there abouts and we export more oil every day than we use. There's no line-ups here and never where in the 70's. Living near a native reservation with the same car making 20 trips a day, you'de never believe there was any shortage of fuel. ::)
My expected "cheap place" today was $3.39. I was going to make a day trip to Chicago next Tuesday, but me and the girlfriend have changed plans. I figured it would cost us $60 just for the gas. ::)
Raleigh NC prices @ the Wal-Mart on New Bern Ave August 29-Sept 2, 2005
Monday AM $2.39
Monday PM $2.44
Tuesday AM $2.54
Wednesday AM $2.64
Wednesday PM $2.74
Thursday AM $2.99
Thursday PM $3.29
Most area stations have settled in on $3.29 for regular. A couple of stations are at $3.19 and a couple are @ $3.39. I heard of some reports @ 3.59 in the area. Some stations were running out of some grades for a short time.
My brother is a logger and he paid 2.89 for road diesel this morning.
Hey!
3.59 for regular unleaded right now
some of the places that were less are OUT of gas
Brockport NY
It's starting to fall around here, a lot of places are just under the $3 mark. ::)
$1.399/litre today at the pump. Premier will be anouncing some relief on Monday. No one knows who it will benefit yet. ::)
Gonna cost me $60 a day for fuel this week on my next job site. :'(
SwampDonkey
The way I figure it 1.39 a liter works out to $4.20 a US gallon , in US Dollars. I filled my 1 ton wood truck today for $170.00 Can dollars and it wasn't even empty!
Quote from: TeaW on September 03, 2005, 05:03:42 PM
SwampDonkey
The way I figure it 1.39 a liter works out to $4.20 a US gallon , in US Dollars. I filled my 1 ton wood truck today for $170.00 Can dollars and it wasn't even empty!
TeaW.....I think you ment to say$ 5.20 CDN / US gallon.
Gas has dropped here to 2.99 a gallon. Hope its a good sign.
Seems they kick it up a lot, and then back it down a bit, and it feels so good when it even comes down a bit. I think they have the 'shrinks' working out the plan for raising prices. ;D ;D ;D
I just reminisced a moment today when gas hovered around the $1 per gal price, and how it seemed so high. I guess it would be much worse if there was a shortage and one couldn't get any from the pump.
This past Wednesday I filled the van and my pu truck plus 2 - 5gal cans @ 2.99.9, total $162.10 about 9:00 in the morning. at 7:30 pm the same day, the price was $3.39.9 at the same station. Do I smell price gouging or what? ???
JEFF, regular gas was down to $2.99 this morning. First time it's been under $3.00 for quite awhile. Hope it keeps going in that direction.
Lots of driveoffs without paying. Now most places here will only allow either credit or pay before pumping. One local Auto Supply place says locking gas caps are selling like hotcakes, although I haven't heard of anybody complaining about gas siphoned out of their vehicles.
Up $0.03/ litre today now how can they justify that >:( >:( >:(
This morning I heard a lady say, "gas is high as a cats back." So that's pretty DanG high...........I think?? ;D $3.13 & diesel is $3.09. smiley_furious3
Tupelo, MS; regular 2.66/gal
Not to bad, still hurts though. >:( :(
Tony 8)
Ours is $1.10 AUD a litre... (about 85c) That's USD$3.20 a US Gallon
Other states in Aus it's around $1.39/litre. (About $1.08)
(My state doesn't have as much petrol tax as others).
Grrr.
asy >:(
Raleigh NC prices @ the Wal-Mart on New Bern Ave August 29-Sept 2, 2005
Monday AM $2.39
Monday PM $2.44
Tuesday AM $2.54
Wednesday AM $2.64
Wednesday PM $2.74
Thursday AM $2.99
Thursday PM $3.29
Monday, Sept 12 $2.89
Some places still holding at $3.09
A song of the times.
http://toccionline.kizash.com/films/1001/178/index.php
Bought Reg. unleaded in Chattahoochee for $249.9 today. The lady running the store said it is going up by 20 cents this evening.
Yup, we are down to $2.48, and I'm hoping it'll still be down in the morning so I can fill up.
I can hope can't I? ::)
Regular is $2.72 here. Diesel is $2.79. Gotta top off in the mornin. Goin to meet Ellmoe and get some beams he sawed for us. 8) ;D :D
I filled on cheap $2.799 ::) ::) gas on my way home this afternoon. Figure it'll $3.00 and rising by tomorrow :( >:(
In Central Oregon last Sunday I paid $3.12 for diesel.
Regular gas is around $2.85
Paid 2:58 tonight. Still took 54 bucks to fill the truck
With Rita bearing down on 25% of the refineries in US y'all reckon we ought to be stock piling? ;)
1 mile down the road diesel is 2.699 a gallon. 10 miles down the road it is 2.59 a gallon, and 11 miles down the road its 2.44 a gallon. and my truck was on empty earlier- it still took me $65 to fill the truck up. at least that should last for 3-4 days hope it doesnt go as high as it did last time
Charles
Stockpiling
That will certainly increase the prices !!!!!!!!!
We didn't stockpile the last time and prices still went up. I'm not so sure supply and demand forces are as much in play as greed and opportunity.
Gas has dropped from $1.14 to $1.01/litre here in the last few weeks but we'll see how long that lasts. Heating costs are going to be nasty this winter. I can park the truck but can't shut the furnace off.
It is 2.47 at the north end of Port Huron and 2.59 a the south end. The north end is always a few hours behind raising their prices. ???
Farmerdoug
Just paid 2.899/gal in Manassas, VA. for diesel - $62.00 for a fill-up. :o >:( :( :o >:( :( :o >:( :(
$1.99 canadian per L gas guzzler Z71
Filled 3 - 5 gallon cans plus topped up the truck, the tank was at 3/4 full. Cost 130.00 Can.
Gas was 1.19 liter or 5.35 gal.
100 miles south gas is 2.09 liter or 9.40 g.
Go figure.
just paid $345.00 to fill up on diesel(course im drivin a freightliner ;D ;D)
james
Diesel just jumped from 2.89 to 3.29 per gal, NW fla panhandle.
$3.15 for regular this morning.
$2.89 last night..$2.99 this morning for reg.
On road diesel $2.89/9 on the way to the landing this am, $2.99/9 on the way home this pm, same station >:( :( :o ::) :'( smiley_confused smiley_speechless
Someone told me yesterday that the restriction was lifted for using off road diesel in an on road vehicle. Has anyone else heard this?
I have not heard that, as yet. You watch, if that occurs offically it will rise even faster than the other. I only have 300 gallons setting here for the JX75 and the D5.
Today, I payed $2.85 for on road die sell. I do not drive the F450 any more than is necessary. $54.00 to top the tank to make a run to the North about 45 miles, one way.
Regular gasoline is running about $2.75 a gallon.
Regular has crept over $3 per gallon, here. A few stations are still under that mark, but will go up when they have their tanks topped off. :-\
I ain't going anywhere I ain't gotta go!
Now the fuel prices will have to go up even higher so the oil companies can make da same profit.
Seeing as how everyone is buying less because of exorbitant prices. >:(
We're all talking about how high fuel is going, but we're not talking much about how high a barrel of crude is. Over $67 today! And we haven't even touched on who "they" are......... OPEC supplys the bigger percentage. Is there a pattern here or am I missing something?
Gas and diesel are both from $3.19-$3.25 around here.
Earlier in September, you could put off road diesel in on road trucks. Only catch is that you have to send in the road tax and do a bunch of other paperwork.
It was passed to alleviate any fuel shortages. I always thought the dye was put in at the fuel terminal, not at the refinery. Seemed like a worthless waste of bureaucratic time. But, then again, most of it is. ::)
I'm not sure whether the time frame on this has expired.
BTW, Mobil-Exxon made over $7.5 billion in profit in the 2nd quarter this year. Cost to pump crude is about $20/barrel. Gas prices are fixed by the underlying oil company. If you go to a Mobil station, Mobil tells the owner what to charge.
Middlemen make about 10-12 cents/gal, as do station owners. I've always heard they made 4 cents, so that musn't be true. Info was in an AP article last week.
Reserved my flight to CR on Monday, RT was $287.65. Tuesday, changed the time to 3 week visit, price $240.65. MartinAir, Dutch airline. Shell is Dutch owned and has the contract. Now, you tell me that we are NOT being taken in the US. :o
Quote from: Fla._Deadheader on October 01, 2005, 02:33:24 PM
...... Now, you tell me that we are NOT being taken in the US. :o
I'm missing your point (not surprising huh :) )
Price difference isn't much. Flight is outside the US. Different airlines.
How are we being taken in the US ???
Guess I'm stoopid. Price of fuel in the US is going UP. Ticket price went DOWN, 40 bucks. Here, the ticket goes UP everyday ??
I'm outta here.
Wife came back from town and said Diesel is $3.47.
Price jumped $0.05 a litre to 1.199/litre this week. Why did our price in Canada jump up over a $1.00/litre? The World price of oil is the same or less than before Katrina. We haven't a supply problem here, no waits at pumps or anything close. If it were a problem, we'de just cut exports. I'm sure the Oil companies wouldn't suffer, we'de still be burning it here. Spineless governments. ::)
While I was out and about late Friday, I filled up at the Sheetz station in Madison - $2.79/gal. Saturday morning on the way back from the dump, it was $3.19/gal. 40 cents in less than twelve hours, @#$%^ &*()!@#$%^&*().
Bruce/subsailor
Gas went up to $2.79 at the local station, but the one by the mill was at $2.69. So, I filled up on Friday figuring that prices were going to start higher. Went to the mill today and their gas was at $2.65.
I still can't figure out how they price this stuff.
The ONLY gas station we have in town sold today. In the morning reg was 2.89 gal, then this afternoon, AFTER THE SALE WAS OFFICIAL we saw two signs.
UNDER NEW OWNERSHIP
Regular Unleaded - $3.19 gal.
Talk about fed up. And YES, I stopped in and gave them a piece of my mind, especially after seeing that ALL the prices in the store went up between a dime and 50 cents. Yesterday a 16 oz Diet Coke was $.075. This afternoon, the same soda was marked at $1.20 :o >:( >:( This new owner probably has no clue how fast he will fail by doing what he did today in this small town.
Got a call tonight and the locals have already picked a new place for the morning coffee. No longer going to be at the gas station, which was owned by a local until today.
Filled up today, $2.79.9 for reg., saw another station at 2.82.9. I've never heard of gas prices being lower in NY state, better go buy some more, sounds like it will jump again soon.
Gas was $2.88 on Sun. Monday morning $3.00.
Seem's to be easing off a bit, here. Linda saw it for $3.10 at Flyin' J this morning, but didn't stop. I topped it off at Walmart for $3.04, then it was down to $3.08 at Flyin' J this evening.
In Fla, they can't increase the price until they buy more gas at a higher price. The smaller places usually have the best prices when it is going up, since they don't fill their tanks as often. The big places get trucks in several times a day, so their prices go up faster, but also come down faster. Fla's Attorney General busted a couple of stations in Tallahassee for price gouging last week. Shut'em down COLD! ;D ;D
Kirk, we've been paying $1.20- $1.35 plus $0.10 deposit and 15% tax for 600 ml of Coke for years. We don't get full deposit back here. Needless to say that it's gotten too high that I don't even buy soda pop any longer. I ain't seen $0.75 Coke for at least 20 years when they used glass.
Got gas today for $2.739 reg before they decide to raise it again. I have every vehicle and gas can full right now. The last time I did that the price dropped soon after ;D
Kirk
We been paying 1.29 for a 20 oz .coke for about 2 years now. a 2 liter is 1.10 go figure gas was 3.19.
Its amazing that the gas hasn't shot up in price. I thought there were more refineries down. I wonder if it has anything to do with no major gas buying holiday, like Labor Day.
It did shoot up around here, Ron. After Katrina it went up to about $3.30, then slid back down to $2.50 after a couple of weeks. After Rita, it went up to $3.50 and is back to about $3.00 now.
I think a good part of the shortage has been caused by transport issues. The Atlanta area saw $6 gas after Katrina because their pipeline was down. We get our gas via barges from La. and those have just started to move again.
Stopped for gas at BJ's Wholesale club on the way home last night.
$2.56 It's coming down slowly. Strange what difference a year makes.
Last that price would have probably brought on an anxiety attack. Now it looks pretty good.
Around here a majority of them (80%) are around 2.26 but some are 2.59 trying to get that last dollar out of everyone. Diesel is still arounf $3.00.
Wow 2.59, its still 2.89 here. :(
I just paid 2.959 in Binghamton, the least since it shot up,and I buy a lot of gas! :(
Quote from: GF on October 12, 2005, 03:19:45 PM
Around here a majority of them (80%) are around 2.26 but some are 2.59 trying to get that last dollar out of everyone. Diesel is still arounf $3.00.
We seem to have the same problem here. I saw a station today: Super $2.75 and Diesel $3.30! I sure am glad I heat with wood and have a small gas pickup for everything that doesn't require the big Diesel.
Cary
Quote from: breederman on October 12, 2005, 06:41:33 PM
I just paid 2.959 in Binghamton, the least since it shot up,and I buy a lot of gas! :(
It's been my experience that NY state and CT are the most expensive places to buy gas in the northeast.
Here in NH, 87 octane is under $2.70 in most places.
Normal here is $8.55
with 2ltrs coke at $3.62
iain
2.18 here today in Okla.
I just filled the pickup at the local Fleet Farm. Gas was down to $2.28 and diesel was up to $3.21. It was $95 for about 30 gallons.
That's a huge rip off for diesel to be almost a dollar over gas. They are just sticking it to the farmers harvesting their crops and the fuel oil for home heat.
Gary, they've been getting their jollies doing that for years here. :-\
I'm of the conclusion that the oil companies (who wrongly get the blame), are being limited in what they can do by the 'enviros' who limit them at every move. There is oil to be had, and the 'not in my backyard' tune for off-shore drilling, refineries, and shipping has made it so gas and oil to the consumer is getting rare and expensive.
I heard the other day that the oil companies should just say "okay, we will stop our operations and only pump half as much oil out of the ground, and we'll see what happens to the price then".
The only way to get the price down is to get more of the available oil and gas, (or use less of it, which some of us are now doing), IMO.
I wonder if decreased demand is forcing prices down. I paid 94.9/litre this week which is down 20 cents from a few months ago. I am driving less and there are a lot fewer trips out of the city. Others I talk to say the same
Yeah, but now that it down some...... I'm driving more! ::)
How long ya figure it will last ???
I don't travel very much, never did. Once in awhile I might go for an hour's drive, other than for work. Can't seem to justify burning gas, just for the sake of burning it. ;)
$2.66 to $2.74 for regular.
$2.76.9 in Gaylord for regular but diesel is between $3.46.9 and 3.53.9 :o :o >:( >:(
My daughter and I went to town to get our $1 chance on the powerball tonight and gas was $2.76 but I about had a stroke when I saw that Kero. was $3.79 Yikes
Diesel here today in Okla is around 3.65 a gallon.
WOW Shell have got really generous today ;D ;D
They have knocked 5 cents a litre off both petrol and diesel.
There is a catch of course, the price reduction only lasts from 4 pm to 7 pm one day only>:( >:( >:(
Just got back from the Moultrie Expo...........$2.42 for regular in the Moultrie area. Comming down! 8) I've got some $3.00 gas I bought in a panic so I would be sure to have some on hand just in case it went up some more. I wonder if the station would buy it back from me? ;D
I paid $2.40/gal for unleaded today. 8)
But diesel is 3.19. ::)
Farmerdoug
Today on my way back from a natural gas briefing in Willow Grove, PA. I got diesel for $2.899 at a Sheetz station was west of York, PA on US 30. It was $3.199 on the PA turnpike and most other places.
Took at kinda slow and got 21.3 MPG in the F250. The wind musta been behind me.
Bruce/subsailor
We were proud to fine regular gas at $2.47 a gallon in Moultrie, Ga. I think we all filled up on it to come home.
They're really doing a job on our heads when we think $2.47 is a deal, dontcha know.
Tom, you're behind the times. ::) By the time I left you off at your truck and got to the station, Regular was down to $2.45. ;D
What!! and I misssed a "deal" like that? :P :D
In New Richmond, Wisconsin regular is down to $2.57 a gallon.
Across the St. Croix river in Stillwater, gas is $2.32 a gallon.
When I have to drive to Minnesota, I fill up there.
Diesel is up to 3.60 >:( >:( :( a gallon and gas is down to 2.60 8) ::). Not a good time to own a diesel P.U. :( >:(
It was 2.22 in springfield missouri this morning didn't look at diesel but was running 3.39
In Emmett, MI, the price of gas was 2.49. But I filled the cube van with diesel at 3.49. The van took 125.00. :o It only took 95.00 for the same amount of diesel three weeks ago. ::)
Farmerdoug
Filled up tonight at $2.27 in Bridgeport , Ohio . It was the first time in many weeks I could fill up for less than $60 in the truck .
I quit paying attention when diesel got to $3.59. i think it's still like $3.29, but i have to buy it. I know it has been awhile since i filled up both tanks though. if fuel goes up so does everythimg else. i just pass it on to the customer.
$2.27 in Brookville Pa today. Thats for the cheap stuff that makes the company car spit and sputter.
Heard a petrol analyst on the radio today stating that the high diesel prices were caused by the shortage of gas. All the producers shifted to gas to make up for the gas shortage. This is also is contributing to the future storage of heating oil. He also stated that when they shift back over to the "distillates" – heating , jet and diesel, the price of gas will go up again.
Bruce/subsailor
Well it better. :( Gas today 2.35, diesel 3.59.
People think that since gas is dropping they should not have to pay more for shipping. When I tell them most stuff is shipped in diesel powered trucks all they can say is that is stupid. ??? Someimes it is not worth wasting your breath.
Farmerdoug
Not sure how exactly that works...... ???
Kinda like saying the price of hamburger is going up because everybody wants steaks.
When you refine a barrel of crude you get different things out of it, depending on where you are in the circuit, but you can't put diesel, kerosene and jet fuel "back in the oven" and get more gasoline instead.
By virtue of the process, if they make more gasoline, they have to (proportionately) make more diesel also, period.
Now that's not to say their not leaving it in tanks and just shipping more gasoline, but they don't have enough tank space to do that for very long.
I don't pretend to understand how this all works but what I've read is that we are benefiting from the oversupply of gasoline in Europe (where they use more diesel fuel proportionately) which they have diverted to the US following the hurricanes. But the piper is coming down the road and will have to be paid back. Diesel is in short supply (and priced higher) because they (refiners) are building up the supply of home heating oil (from the same 35% of crude that produces diesel).
Does that make sense?
-Doug
How about propane?
A greenhouse grower called to get a price on 5000 gallons. They told him 2.00 per gallon for last week only. :o He paid 1.30 last year. I think that alot of greenhouses are going to be empty this winter. ::)
I am told that they can make more gas and less diesel and propane from a barrel of oil or vice verus. Usually they push gas in the spring and summer and diesel and propane in the fall and winter. But they were pressured to increase the gas supply at the loss of diesel and propane. ::) People will pay less for their gas but spend the savings on higher heating and electricity. Go figure the goverment mentality. :-\
Farmerdoug
Quote from: farmerdoug on October 26, 2005, 01:20:47 PM
................ Go figure the goverment mentality. :-\.......
What does the "gov't mentality' have to do with this? Curious here. :) (other than they now are apparently a BIG user of diesel that is shipped overseas and back to the mideast). ::)
What I meant by goverment mentaliy is that they will order a change in the natural flow of business just to satisfy a momentary problem. Like pushing the oil refineries to produce more gas per barrel of oil when they would normally be producing more fuel oil and propane for the heating season. The average citizen is happy because his car/suv is cheaper to fill but the long term consequences of higher shipping and heaing costs will still have them hollering tomorrow. Then they will push for more oil/propane when they should be producing gas. I guess what I am trying to say is that the goverment interference is slow and usually late.
farmerdoug
MORE REFINERIES. Seems like it might be a good investment. I heard somewhere that this country hasen't built a new oil refinery in 30 years. Demand 30 years ago was 1/10 of what it is today. Sounds like our steel industry.......... Shipyard in Sturgeon Bay is buying steel from Russia to build new freighters as there is none availble that is US made.
Jason
EPA
it is cheaper for a co. to shut down then upgrade to the EPA's standeds
it is far less costly to out souce then to keep the jobs here it is a sad fact but true. :-\
GM is also investing heavily in Russia for research and development. It's cheaper labor of course, but they want to make use of talents from Russian universities. GM recognizes discoveries in technology made by Russians in the past and want to tap into their talents. ;)
Gas is now 2.27 and diesel is 2.95, I don't understand it.
Gas is 2.399 in Cypress Fla. .....NW Fla panhandle.
89cents a litre here in bruce county ontario canada 8)
$2.79 for regular here. >:(
84.9 a litre here. Still too DanG much but a lot better than a few months ago. I haven't checked diesel but now will.
In the past week I've seen unleaded gas as cheap as $2.19
Diesel as cheap as $2.79 and as high as $3.70.
Road diesel $2.90 gal. Off Road diesel $2.70
I-10 Fla Panhandle Reg. $2.39 Diesel $2.71 cash is $2.64 :-\ Why would they even offer a cash discount?
Last night regular unleaded was $2.399 per gallon. The price has been steady dropping for the past month or so.
For what it's worth, my aunt owns a piece of land that had a mineral lease on if for oil and gas. It ran out years ago after the company drilled a couple of wells in the area and the capped them and left. They found some oil shale and I heard some gas also. This was in about 1980. Last week she got a call from a gas company wanting to renew the lease. Could be that higher prices have made her land attractive again. ;)
Quote from: Tobacco Plug on November 01, 2005, 07:16:20 AM
Last night regular unleaded was $2.399 per gallon. The price has been steady dropping for the past month or so.
For what it's worth, my aunt owns a piece of land that had a mineral lease on if for oil and gas. It ran out years ago after the company drilled a couple of wells in the area and the capped them and left. They found some oil shale and I heard some gas also. This was in about 1980. Last week she got a call from a gas company wanting to renew the lease. Could be that higher prices have made her land attractive again. ;)
Same type of deal I saw on TV about a farm in the west. The old man had mineral and oil rights and has long passed, but the daughter hung to the paperwork. She has 2 or 3 wells recently dug and the local farming community is up in arms. But, what it looks like to me is pure jelousy. These folks didn't look rich, they are down to earth and live simple lives and drive around in an old 70's ford pickup truck. So what's the harm in riding the wave to improve the family finances?
Here in Canada, the federal gooberment owns the mineral rights. The natives own the rights on the reserves, however. The seismic exploration or oil company will come to a landowner and tell him/her, not ask, that they are crossing the property or drilling and this is what they pay for access. If permission is refused, they go to the neighbours and suggest the big windfall is being delayed because of one individual. No Jed Clampetts here.
Gas is a 1.99 here for the past several days, I am guessing they are dropping the prices because of the holiday season around the corner. If gas was still high no one would spend money for the holidays. I would be willing to say around mid January it will start going back up. Its all a game they play.
It was a claim I guess that the old man had and they were getting a commission from the oil company to take the oil/gas. They are getting a cheque every month, but didn't disclose the amount on TV.
Quote from: sawguy21 on November 01, 2005, 08:07:11 AM
Here in Canada, the federal gooberment owns the mineral rights.
I think it would be a more accurate statement to say that when they gave out the land, they didn't automatically give out other rights except "surface rights".
Anybody can apply for the mineral or other rights to their lands, most just don't bother, that's all.
An old Dutchman up the road from our farm has the gas rights to his place, and there is a small gas pocket down there, it isn't worth building a pipeline to connect it to the distribution grid and sell it, the cost of the pipe would be more than the revenue.
But he gets his house, shop & greenhouse heated for free ........... 8)
I think the real reason for the gas prices falling is that the Legislature has scheduled some hearings on gas prices. I think they start next week.
Meanwhile, gasoline profits hit all time highs and consumer spending was up in September, thanks to the rise in gas prices. >:(
They raised natural gas prices here because of the rise in grude oil.
Auto gas is starting to come back down( 2.29 for the cheap stuff) but my heating bill hasnt changed?
I can get gas 14 miles away for 2.17 a gallon.
For the cheap stuff.
diesel finally got below a dollar a litre 95.9/Litre = USD 66.2/Litre
Premium petrol 1.399/litre = USD 96.5/ Litre
On the reservation in Tobique it's 0.969/litre now. It's back on par before the Katrina holicaust.
Check it out
http://stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3466204a4560,00.html
Ernie that is terrible.. its like that kid a few years back got a mickey mantle rookie card from a topps basball card packet. He bought it free and clear and opened it in the store. The owner called the cops trying to use the police as a big bully trying to get something that wasnt his back i mean the card was worth at the time 30k. The kid did buy it and the owner didnt get away with it. It was the gas stations fault. I remember a funny going around the net where the kid puts a sign up at this gas station he was working for. It read MY BOSS TOLD ME TO CHANGE THIS STUPID SIGN SO I DID :D :D. At costco here it is 2.44 gallon i know right across the border the litre is very high right now.
bobby
You guys don't know how lucky you are!!
Over here fuel is £0.98/litre.
If my maths is right that works out at $7.79/gallon! :( :(
Its down to £0.87 per ltr here today
iain
We've been way down to around $2.06-2.09 for a good while now.
End of last week it jumped up to $2.19 and then fell again over the weekend to $2.08 on Monday morning.
Monday evening it was up to $2.29. ::)
Yesterday I bought some at 218.9, that is the lowest we've had in a loooong time. But still not as low as when I first had my licence. Back then it was 27.9 but as soon as the found out I was driving the price went up to 29.9. That was before I had my own car, could take my girlfriend (now my wife of 38 years ;D) on a date, put $.50 worth in the car and the gauge read the same as when I started. Now I can't go around the block on $.50 hardly. 8)
I went by a station today that had $1.279 on the sign. Unfortunately the place has been closed for years. :D
I screwed up. Yep, plain and simple, I screwed up. We went Christmas shopping in Tallahassee Sunday, and on the way home we saw the gas price at the Pilot truck stop was $1.999. Boy, it sure was good to see that 1 up there again!! 8) 8) We had almost half a tank, so I says, "I gotta come this way again tomorrow. Maybe it'll be down another penny by then." Well, when tomorrow came, I stopped in, and it was $2.099! The thieving 8!@#%^&* went up a whole dime in one day! I got enough to get where I was going and left the rest there. I'd rather pay $3 at a convenience store than give those SOBs any more of my money!! >:( >:(
Last night it was 1.989; this morning 2.079. Should have filled up yesterday :-\
It was down to 1.949 last week and it is now 2.279 as of yesterday. ::)
Farmerdoug
Filled up the car Sunday where gas is usually cheapest- $2.09 Drove down the road a half mile- $1.99 >:( Came back to the town nearest me-that I didn't drive through going out - $1.95 >:( ::) :D
Wonder how much it costs to haul that stuff? We are still at $2.36/gal. Gotta pay for the privilege of living in the Empire State!
Price is down here to $6.95 per gal (keep the same exchange rate)
iain
Prices here are jumping up and down like a kid on Christmas morning. Got down to 78.9/litre last week and now at 81.4 although most stations are giving an extra 3.5 at the pump. Believe it or not, we get winter and summer gas. No, it's not like winter and summer air in bicycle tires. :D :D The winter gas has more aromatics to allow quicker vaporization but they are taken out in the summer to prevent vapour lock.
$2.39 and still climbing. >:(
So much for Christmas time having the lowest prices of the year like all the the news reports claimed happens every year.
I noticed some near Salem last evening at $2.09 for regular.
Up to 85.9/l here. I just give up and pay it :'(
It dropped to $2.159 around here for a few days then shot back up to $2.309 and has been hanging fast at that mark. Thought gas was really cheap at $2.159 ::)
92.7/L here this morning, glad the little metro averages 50 mpg.
Still siting a 2.149/gal here as of 12-23-05. Cannot beleive that people are happy at this price now when they were screaming about this price the same time last year.
Farmerdoug
why is diesel more than premium by 40 cents . was a dollar or so more for awhile.
Was $2.05 in Indy on Thursday night, went up a few cents Friday morning.
We are holding in the $2.20's around here.
$2.419 in town. $2.369 in Gaylord
It's been $1.799 here in northern Utah for the past few weeks but it had just jumped up to $1.899 when I filled up yesterday.
Diesel is higher for two reasons. One, it has more BTU per gallon (*) and two, gasoline has been low because of buildup from what has been borrowed from Europe, following Katrina. It takes time for the ships to get it here and work its way through the system.
You don't want to know what gas is going to do this spring....
That's my 2¢.
-Doug
* remember Smokey Yunick from Popular Mechanix or was it Mechanix Illustrated? He predicted diesel would be priced higher because of the BTU content, way back in the fifties or sixties.
diesel is a by product of gasoline.
Quote from: IMERC on December 25, 2005, 01:37:39 AM
diesel is a by product of gasoline.
I'm not sure what you mean by that. You can't get diesel from gasoline. Each is derived from crude at different levels in the refinery.
At least that's how I understand it. :)
-Doug
at some point inthr refinery process you get diesel. keep refining and you get gasoline
Quote from: DouginUtah on December 25, 2005, 01:50:35 AM
At least that's how I understand it. :)
-Doug
gasoline takes more processing than diesel.
(http://)
Source: American Petroleum Institute (www.api.org). Figures are based on 1995 average yields for U.S. refineries. One barrel contains 42 gallons of crude oil. The total volume of products made is 44.2 GALLONS - 2.2 gallons greater than the original 42 gallons of crude oil. This is called "processing gain," where other chemicals are added to the refining process to create the products.
From what I understand is the ratio of gas and diesel is variable where the gain in one is a lost in the other. After Katrina the refiners shifted to heavy gas producion a the lost of diesel to build the gas stocks.
Famerdoug
I saw regular going for $2.05 a couple days ago, and paid $2.59 for diesel. :'(
Gas today in Okla is averaging $2.58 per gallon.
Around here (northwestern Illinois) we are seeing $2.69 for regular.
I bought some diesel a few days ago and paid $2.49. Thought that was a real bargain!
Also am using E85 in one vehicle and that is going for $2.09
$1.07Cdn/litre here. I heard a news report that said get used to it, prices will be climbing for a while.
I just ordered 500 gallons of diesel to be delivered to the Tractor and the price is $2.34 gallon. Ouch! >:( While at the pump for the F450 I have to pay $2.79 a gallon.
Gas was $2.709 and diesel was $2.729 in Gaylord a couple days ago.
Diesel has been at $2.90 here :-\
Gas is $2.70 as of yesterday here in Maine.Could be $2.80 by now.
Jumped 12¢ overnight, to $2.79 at noon today. Will be easy to get over $3 at this rate.
I took a trick from Southwest Airline's operations book and pre-purchased a bunch of farm diesel at the end of '05 when the price was down. 7000 gallons at 2.03 a gallon hurt at the time, but when it went up a nickle a week after I bought it I figured I'd do ok. The best part was being able to write the purchase off in '05.
Gas Prices in Derry, NH ; Mid Grade was $273.9 this AM. At 9.98 mpg, it don't take long when it needs to be refill.
FirewoodGuy
I just filled up for 2.89.......I'm pithed
I paid 2.699 inUnadilla yesterday, didn't look today. Will have to fill up again in the morning. :(
Central NY, price today was $2.899. We seem to generally be higher than USA avg by at least 10-15 cents, most likely our state taxes, that taxem til they move out mentality our leaders have.
You guys are kidding ???
It's as high as $2.98 around here.
Seen diesel at $2.86.
In Lancaster county ( about an hour and half from Phila ) I got some B5 diesel today for 2.77 and I saw regular unleaded just outside Phila for 2.86 three days ago - nope wouldn't bite on that .
That B5 diesel is kinda neat - they blend the bio with ultra low sulphur and I'll swear there's less smoke/soot which they tell me is better for the turbo.
While out driving today in West Palm regular at Walmart was 2.83
An independent had it at 2.84 and the Big Boys had it at 2.89
$2.899 in Indian River about an hour ago for regular. >:( >:( >:( >:(
$2.79 in south AR. today for reg unleaded
$2.69 in Central Missouri ::)
$2.69 today in northern Minnesota, but I managed to fill my truck for less than $100. Only $96.50
It was 113.9/l in Vancouver yesterday. Drove 50 miles east to Abbotsford and it was 99.9. Lessee, 70 litres x .14/litre equals a difference of $9.80 per tank. Sumpin wrong here ???
$2.85 central Colorado... diesel...
amazing.. A barrel of oil goes up a dollar and we see a dollar a gallon increase at the pumps...
go figure...
Well...not really because here gas get a new record 6,40 $/gal :o :o :o
I have to use more my legs :D :D
DoubleD I can feel for you at $6.40 per gallon. We are in Louisiana (U.S.A.) and paying $2.75. Although I don't like our prices, I feel we have been blessed all of these year for having cheap gasoline. On the other hand we have become spoiled. I really think it will get worse before it gets better. The way to get the price down is lower the demand.
highpockets here the gas is heavy taxed if I am not wrong we could pay half of that without taxes.
I am more than glad that my car have a small engine 1.0 L (61 cubic inches) so it doesn't drink to much 8).
I think that we could lower the demand for gas if people quit to use the car to move less than 1 or 2 km (0.6-1.2 miles) and start to use more their legs like I do.
Here we have a problem IMO : a big part of our electricity is produced by combustion of methane and other byproducts of mineral oil :-\ so we import a lot of oil.
Another problem is that everytime the cost of a barrel rise they rise the price of the gas, but when oil is cheaper they don't lower the cost of gas >:(
Probably you know that yesterday at London the barrel of oil was 74$ :o
Just a week ago (April 12) I posted that gas was up to 2.69 around here. That seemed high at the time, but now regular is $2.89 to premium $3.09 at most stations.
Seems to me like things will keep going up. At least this thread is giving us some details to remember "the good old days" of cheap gas - under $3.00 / gal.
DoubleD is right - taxes in Europe are MUCH higher on gas. So in many ways we are paying at least as much as they are.
87 here is from 2.95-3.04 now :'(
Yesterday I noticed that regular gasoline was at $2.90 (rounding up the 9/10¢) in New Richmond, Wisconsin.
I'm not sure what regular gasoline in Minnesota is right now but it's usually about a nickel less per gallon for two reasons. Less state gasoline tax and 10% alcohol added. Of course for Minnesotan's, the lower price at the pump doesn't include the money they pay out because the Minnesota government heavily subsidizes the companies making Gasohol from corn. So they get to pay for it twice. Once through income tax and once through state gas tax.
Charlie,
Don't you know by now that Government money is Free? :D
My wallet hurts just as bad as everyone else. However, I just did some calculating and don't think we had better be too quick to blame the oil companies.
Here is what I have found. In 2004 oil was selling for $37 a barrel and gas was averaging $1.85 / gallon.
Today oil is selling for $73 a barrel. If the same proportion is used, then gas should be selling for an average price of $3.65 a gallon. Maybe that is where it will be soon. :o
We need to find some new forms of energy so we can stop importing oil. This is a long hard job, but we put a man on the moon in 1969 and the Manhattan Project produced an Atomic Bomb in the 1940's. Each of those projects took several years and the sooner we start on this one, the better. I think that we have the expertise to move away from oil if only we have the desire to do so. With gas this high it seems to me that the economic incentive should be there.
I have heard and dont know how true this is but, here in Okla landowners who have wells are not getting no where near the $73 per barrel for there share they our pumping from there rights. It would be interesting to know if this is true or not, unfortunantly I do not have wells on my property to determine this.
What frustrates me is that when a barrel of oil goes up a dollar, today its already reflected at the pumps tomorrow, I dont think they are refining the oil that quickly, then the oil companies are posting record profits, something just does not seem correct.
$2.89 today for the cheap stuff. I won't be shocked when it's $3.15 in a few weeks. Where were those plans to make ethanol again ??? ::)
Flip
Visiting family in Los Angeles this week and don't believe my eyes. RUG is 3.05 and premium is upwards of 3.25 per gallon. ouch.
Not that I don't like oil companies but I'll be driving less.
I did read somewhere that if we all bought diesels ( cars and trucks ) for the past year the savings would be enough to eliminate middle east oil. Don't know who did that study . . .
I also read that the utility companies generate more pollution than all the cars, trucks, buses in the country combined. Again the source didn't say where they got their facts. . . .
:P
I read where the oil companys really didn't make that much of a profit durring Katrina and that it was just a normal flux that averages out as a whole, and results as the cost of doing buisness. I don't know who did that study ....... ::) ::)
Here's the breakdown for branded gas @ $2.81/gal in California for April 10.
Dirtribution costs, marketing costs and profits - $0.01
Crude oil costs - $1.59
Refinery costs and profits - $0.63
Taxes - $0.57
I imagine the price breakdown would be very similar in other areas.
Here's a thought. When was the last time you saw a commercial on TV for gasoline? They used to sponsor all types of programs, but I can't remember seeing one in years.
2.999$
CF, oil prices are shown based on a certain area. For example the price may be Saudi Arabian Sweet. Other world oils are prorated off this rate based on their sulphur, b.t.u., etc. Regardless of what you hear, I can assure you that they Oklahoma Folks are getting a pretty good proportion of that price. We have some shallow production here in N. Louisiaina but I haven't talked to any of the local pumpers recently to see what they are getting.
I read a deal this morning published by some oil analysis group. They are saying that if the American People would reduce their consumption by only 3% for 30 days that oil (gasoline) prices would crash. Wouldn't it be nice if we could stick together and do that?
Talk about coincidence -
I just got one of those chain type emails asking me to stop buying Exxon/Mobil so they'd have to drop their price to sell again. I guess in theory it could work but I wonder whether the other companies would follow. Seems we'd have to get alot of people on board to make it work . . .
So, if you stopped buying Exxon, do you think they would stop making it? They would probably just sell it to whoever you buy from instead of them. The only short term cure is to drive less. I'm rather skeptical that a 3% drop would crash markets.
I got that same e-mail to boycott that company.
Bill O'Reilly said today on his radio program to boycott the same company because they paid their CEO a Billion dollars since 1993. I think it would work. Once others companies see what can happen, they would get religion.
$2.989 here for reg. I need to get a horse powered saw.
3.099 :'(
They can charge whatever they want, people will still need/want to go places >:(
started a job thursday
had a tankfull in the chipper at $1.12 ltr
filled the gas can at 11:00am at $1.17 ltr
filled the gas can at 3:00 pm at $1.209 ltr
finished today at $1.189 ltr
sure is hard to stay ahead of the game
dan
It was anywhere from 2.97 to 3.11 around my sales area today. The answer to "Why are your prices so high?" is " so that I am still able to be in business tomorrow!" :(
Interesting idea......... prepurchased gas at a locked in price. :o
Not sure I like the 50k gallon tanks though.
First Fuel Bank Link (http://articles.news.aol.com/business/article.adp?id=20060507124509990002&ncid=NWS00010000000001)
Follow the link's to the pipline site
This idea is getting a lot of coverage here
maybe it would work your way
iain
Forgot to put the link in
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?f=57&t=221815
iain
We lock in our mill diesel prices for 6 month stretches. The average person can do that if they want to play the commodity markets. That's how the fuel distributors do it.
A contract covers 1000 barrels of oil, gasoline, or diesel. A barrel = 44 gallons, so you actually don't need the storage capacity. Its all done in the markets.
Prices seem to be coming down a bit. $2.639 at Flyin' J and Pilot truck stops last night.
Has anyone ever heard of First fuel banks? I read about this company in the newspaper. They say you can buy gas now and save it for when the price goes higher than it was when you bought it. Suposed to have no storage fees,and no service fees just a $1.00 membership dues. The article says one person is using gas now that he bought when gas was 99 cents.
I dunno about that one. Gasoline only has a shelf life of 4-6 weeks without a stabilizer.
I don't think they keep the actual gas that you would buy from them until you need it.
Lower prices are nothing but a ploy. A way to get the Government and the media off of the backs of the Marketing divisions of the Oil companies. I wouldn't trust the Fuel marketing industry anymore than a three month old child with Grizzly Bear. Slightly lower prices are nothing more than training the public to escalating prices. Three Years ago, we would have thought someone was nuts to say that $2.79 was a buy.
All they have to do is jump the price to $5 a gallon and then take it to $4 when everybody screams, and we'll think "how well off we are".
They are a bunch of wolves with a captured market that do as they please. An animal in the forest with no predators.
The only way to control a Market like this is to control the money. You will see an end to millions of dollars being given to one executive, Luxury parties at conventions, and lower fuel prices.
The only way to deprive them of the money is for someone else to Market a new competing fuel. If the oil companies do it , they are still in charge.
Using less fuel in smaller vehicles that are used seldom will only prolong the fuel in storage now, not drop the price. As a matter of fact, I believe that they will respond to fewer sales with higher prices.
To really fix the perceived problem, someone must develop a fuel from a renewable resource. Something that can move our vehicles and power our manufacturing plants.
I could have not said it any better Tom. You are 100% correct in your reply. What frustrates me also is that oil companies can create there own supply and demand, if prices are low and need to be increased they can claim they need to take a refinery offline to repair or upgrade and this drives the prices up also.
I also honestly think that whenever the feds say they are going to check for price gouging they have some kind of deal worked out with the oil companies. Every time they announce this the prices stabalize out and drop a little. Could it be that if the feds have an aggreement with the oil companies when they announce this that if the prices stabalize or drop the price gouging investigation will not be followed through with.
Yesterday regular was 296.9 and this mornig when I filled up it was 289.9 here in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan (Engadine)
Tom there is a Canadian company that has invented a way to run on hydrogen prossesed on board . It uses a water tank and a hydrogen generator and uses what it makes so no pressure tank is needed to store any hydrogen. pull up to your well and fetch a bucket or two of water and go to town. They have an addative for the water to keep it from frezzing.
Regular $3.49. Deisel $3.39 :-\
In New Zealand, prices change (up and down) on a regular basis--yesterday NZ$1.72 per litre which equates to US$2.68 / litre
Using the same exchange rate as my first post on page two it's at $8.93
at the garage just down from the new workshop that's for a galleon of Dieselonka
Iain
Updated: 05:48 AM EDT
$2.73 a Gallon? Not at First Fuel Banks
By GREGG AAMOT, AP
ST. CLOUD, Minn. (May 8) - Most motorists are feeling the pain as gasoline creeps toward, or over, $3 a gallon --
2.77 today.. going back up grrrrrr
2.99 today >:( 2.79 last monday.
One of the guy at work said people like me were to blame for high gas prices (all of us that drive pickups and SUV's that is). I told him no problem just bring his neon down and I'd strap a load of logs to the top of it and see how good his milage was if we could get it out of the field. :D :D ;D
Some people's kids.
Tom
What's a neon? Can I load a sheet of plywood or some 2x4's in it? Not much good otherwise :D
Sawguy
A neon is a dodge product. The whole thing is about the size of the bed of a standard pickup. Maybe.
I don't think you could get a nights burn of firewood in it. :D :D
Tom
I still think it'd look good with them logs duct taped to the top. ;D ;D ;D
Quote from: Part_Timer on May 13, 2006, 08:51:35 AM
Sawguy
A neon is a dodge product. The whole thing is about the size of the bed of a standard pickup. Maybe.
I know what a neon is, it's just that I have no use for one. Juvenile car thieves seem to like them though ;D
Current Prices in Prescott, AZ:
87 unleaded - finger
89 Unleaded - left arm
91 UNleaded - right arm and right foot
Diesel - both arms and both legs
Gas price here is now $ 6 / gal. Beside that I needed a heavyer car to pull Amerika-Sågen. Found a good Volvo 945 -94 last week. That will cost me $ 800 more /year for gas :(
But I still have a lot of sawing. :) I don´t know how people find me, they just call.
Swede.
Quote from: Swede on May 28, 2006, 05:34:03 AM
Gas price here is now $ 6 / gal.
Swede, $6 a gallon sounds unbearably high if we had to pay it here in the U.S. I was wondering .... what does the average worker in sweden make per hour, and how does it convert to U.S. dollars?
1. A grocery store worker.
2. A law enforcement officer.
3. A store manager.
4. An auto mechanic.
5. A physcian.
Woodbowl
you can have the uk average if you wish, the £-$ i used is $1.69 to the £1
1. $17k (good store with good boss )
2. 37k ( asked my inlaws)
3. 27k (big box but normally not much more than the workers)
4. 33k
5 name your price
iain
$1 =SEK 7,5 or so.
A normally income here (1-4) is SEK 180-300 000 (-31% income tax) a year working 8 hrs. a day.
It´s hard to find a doctor and he will cost you SEK200-800 every visit.
Swede.
Here gas is $ 6/gal too if you like I could give the average for Italy
1. $ 13 K
2. $ 31 K
3. don't know
4. all what they want
5. all what they want
1€=1,27 $ today
On the doctor front, they can name there price for private work, and earn a big wage most places, but we most all have access to them when we want, and there is no real hassel getting into hospital if you really need it
but booking in for operations can take a long time, the amount spent on medical care is huge, but it dont seem to be getting to the patients to fast, lots of nose's in the trough before the sick, esp at the PFI trust's
iain
If I recalculate the petrol prize here to American units I also end up above 6$ per gallon. The wages here are significantly lower than in southern Sweden. About 10 euro=13 $ per hour - about 30 % tax for a younger house carpenter.
I'm curious about your tax rate. Is yours a flat tax or is it graduated? Here in the states, the rates go up as your income goes up. We also have several layers of income tax - federal, state, and local. At the local level you end up paying taxes on the tax, since we have no deductions at those levels.
The income tax is graduated both in Finland and Sweden. Tax is paid to state and municipality. The total percentage I gave was only roundabout, I think it was too low. It is hard for me to know excactly because I work only part time and study engineering part time.
The high taxes is the reason for that we can have
- No school fees
- Cheap health care
- Social security
and so on
Ok for the conversions/income, but what is the average cost of living? Do you guys in other countries, UK, Sweden, Finland have as much tax on your fuel or have as far to drive to work? Is meat, dairy products, produce cost as much over there ???
One of the local counties here decided to limit their tax on gas at .08/gallon as long as it is over 2$ Thanks guys :D
My understanding is that the mass transit is a whole lot better over there. And I would certainly exchange the Autobahn for any road we have in our state. It seems that we build our world around the car and not the people.
Well it depend living is costing more everyday.
Meat : 2.2 pounds of beef cost between $ 6.40 and $19.40 depend of the "cut" you choose
Bread: 2.2 pounds cost around $ 6
Milk: 0.26 gals cost $ 1.48
On fuel we have every kind of tax we are currently paing a tax to finance the Ethiopia war ended in the 1936 :o >:( :-X go figure
They just got rid of a phone tax that they've been collecting here in the States that helped pay for the Spanish-American war in 1898. :)
Ron W :o :o :o
the problem for Italy is that the Italian governament doesn't care to get rid of these taxes the Ethiopia war was only one example because there so many old taxes on gas that I don't remenber some other are a tax to pay the peace-keeping in Bosnia the earthquake in East Italy happened 25 years ago ect... :-[ :-[ :-[ .
BTW what is the average cost of living across the pond both USA and Canada?
and for sure even from other country since the FF is World wide
Here's some things I've found that may help you out. This is for central Pennsylvania:
Regular gas is $2.75/gal.
Potatoes - $.70/lb
Provolone cheese - $6/lb
Whole chicken - $1.49/lb
Beef - $2-$12/lb, depending on cut
Shrimp - $5-$9/lb, depending on size
Apples - $.79/lb
Milk - $3.50/gal
Eggs - $1.50/doz
You can buy "bread" for about $1.50 per loaf, but it wouldn't be the kind you're used to. The good bakery bread is about $2.50/loaf. That's probably the kind you get.
The stuff in our center aisles of the store is our industrial foods. Mass produced and low in quality, in my opinion. Taste is often lacking, unless you like salt or sugar. :D Its best to skip this section, for the most part.
In north central AZ, here's some examples:
Regular gas is $3.09/gal.
Potatoes - $..68/lb
Provolone cheese - $6/lb
Whole chicken - $.99/lb
Beef - $2.75-$12.50/lb, depending on cut
Apples - $1.29/lb
Milk - $3.20/gal
Eggs - $1.50/doz
Cost of living?
I bought my home a year ago, and paid $133,500 for it.
IT has 2.6 acres, an 1100 SF manufactured home, 1200 SF shop, 150 sf storage building, and a pump house. It's nothing special, but it's mine.
The kicker is that, I had it appraised about 2 months ago, and the appraisal was $231,500.
One year, and it has appreciated 100K. That's NUTS!
In reality, I couldn't afford to purchase anything even remotely close to this today, even making $60K.
But, dating an RN does have it's advantages...especially since she's "Take my breath away" cute and smart! Oh, and that Alabama accent......makes me weak in the knees!
SD
Regular Gas $2.90 in North Idaho.
If the price increases keep going, I'll have to get a dog to pimp out just to pay for diesel!
Let's see....english bulldog pups...$2500 each....4-6 to a litter...that might pay for diesel for hte year!
SD
Well prices for regular unlead are at $2.69, less around town I'm told.
Trying to figure out how we can shut down an oil field and have prices drop. smiley_headscratch
Diesel prices haven't moved though at about $3.09.
Anyone looked at the begining of this thread in a while?
Yes, Furby, I just went back and read the first page. I can't believe all the people complaining about fuel at about 2.20 - 2.40/gal. Now they would be cheering if it got to those same numbers. I myself just made a comment the other night to Shirley about finding Premium at about $3.00/gal and thinking that was at least reasonable! Hard to believe how our attitude can change in a year. I keep hearing we should expect $5.00/gal by end of the year. I hope they are wrong, but I seem to remember these same sources predicting $3.00/gal gas a year ago.
I guess I need to consider raising my rates again. Maybe I will do something like the banks. Instead of linking my rates to the prime interest rate, I will link them to the Premium fuel rate!
VA-Sawyer
As soon as Iran thumbs its nose at the U.N. and sanctions are really envisioned by the powers that be, watch out. This drop is simply the same thing we see before every dramatic price rise. Its the step in our training process. Make us crazy about the large increase and thankful for the small decrease. Being brainwashed with gasoline.
I am almost daily amazed at the folks I run into, some who are otherwise pretty sharp, who haven't figured that out yet, Jeff. That has been the standard oil game the last 30+ years.
At the moment, my gasoline stop is 2.79 for unlead. I never look at the diesel (tractor) price, just pump it.
Any day, I look for UPS to go up on shipping and increase their fuel surcharge. That's a daily expenditure here.
I just filled the van for pats trip to maine 30 gal 83.70 th elast time I filled it it was over 100.00 :)
Diesel has been at $3.29 in my area for about 4 months. premium I think is about $3.59. Running the sawmill and my saws have become a major expense I used to over look. I continue to raise my prices. I called about buying a shipping container, and I was quoted $1400 for the box, but $700 for the delivery. :o
Quote from: solodan on August 23, 2006, 11:51:41 PM
I called about buying a shipping container, and I was quoted $1400 for the box,
Where do you call to see about buying a container?
http://www.royalwolf.com.au/
that's where I got my shipping container from. I paid about $1000aud, plus $99aud delivery. Don't forget that's about $850usd.
It's not in perfect condition, but it's sure watertight and it locks, which was all I was worried about. Not much rust at all, and freshly painted inside and out.
Do a google search for 'Shipping container sales' and you should find something in your area.
Royal Wolf have a US branch too: http://www.royal-wolf.com/
asy :D
Diesel in NH: $3.099
Diesel in CT: $3.179
Diesel in NY: $3.259
-- Guess where I just filled up. ::)
Reg. Unleaded in CT: $3.199
Premium in CT: $3.499
Gas w/o Ethanol: must be priceless because I haven't found it yet.
Gas prices in my area are around $2.69 for regular. One station has it for $2.56.
Quote from: woodbowl on August 24, 2006, 12:15:43 AM
Quote from: solodan on August 23, 2006, 11:51:41 PM
I called about buying a shipping container, and I was quoted $1400 for the box, but $700 for the delivery.
Where do you call to see about buying a container?
Yikes, I paid about $60 for delivery. Instead of a steel shipping container, I actually bought a big aluminum 8x45'x9'h tractor-trailer trailer (how do you say that?) flat on the bottom with the wheels removed. The advantage of the aluminum instead of steel is I can forget about it and not worry about the top rusting through.
Look in your yellow pages under storage containers or look for a phone number on the side of one you see on a construction site (that's what I did). Around here I found several companies that rent and sell - one of their biggest rental customers is Walmart which rents a huge number for Christmas lay-a-ways every year. Just after Christmas there is a big selection to pick from in a wide variety of condition.
I got one in good shape with new doors for about $1600. I used 1/2 of it as a garage for my tractor for a while which fit inside nicely even with the ROPS up. I wish I had the cash for a second one.
JKJ
I just got back from Atlanta (what a disappointment), paid $2.67 on the Army Post. It was $2.77 in the surrounding area. Here at home it is $2.79. All of these were regular unleaded.
Stew
Seems like we have the beginnings of a Gas Price War in Central Palm Beach county.
It all started with one station lowering their price to 2.71 from 309.9. This station had competition across the street and it was having a slow business day. It was a local news story. Made everyone else in the area lower their prices. I was passing through there yesterday. The sign read 2.67.9 :) Now I'll bet Palm Beach county has 30 Gas Stations at the 2.69.9 price. 20 miles to the north in Jupiter, it was 319.9 yesterday.
Was reading a story on the Bangor Daily news online. There was a wealthy individual who bought a gas station somewhere in a small coastal town and was selling a little over cost and was getting all the business. He even got the town Police fuel contract.
It forced Irving to match the price. The Store Manager said the extra traffic was great for their other convenience items in the Store which made for profitability.
Gas $2.599 this weekend in Otwell IN
Faron
That's 40 cents lower than in Wisconsin. Not sure why there should or could be such a wide gap in price per gallon.
Wenona this morning 2.86
Williamsville 2.66
Springfield 2.68
Wenona this evening 2.99
They are gitting ready for the huricane to ravage the gulf.
Or the upcoming holiday weekend.
Stew
Tokyo, Japan? About $5.25 per gallon U.S.
Jim
Quote from: beenthere on August 27, 2006, 10:15:27 PM
That's 40 cents lower than in Wisconsin. Not sure why there should or could be such a wide gap in price per gallon.
Ya beenthere thats for sure, up north we topped out at around $3.18, maybe even $3.21 on the tourist side of the Minocqua bridge.
Jim,
$5.25 in Japan, we are over $3 a gallon, yet we (USA) have high crime and go broke paying for collage and healthcare. I assume the Japs are like most of the Euro's. Prices that appear higher but services and support that exceed what we have in the USA.
max
Paid $3.18 /gal a few days ago for reg unleaded... I think I paid $3.28 or $3.32/gal for diesel....
Quote from: beenthere on August 27, 2006, 10:15:27 PM
Jim,
$5.25 in Japan, we are over $3 a gallon, yet we (USA) have high crime and go broke paying for collage and healthcare. I assume .......Prices that appear higher but services and support that exceed what we have in the USA.
max
It is true that we do get better service for the price here. For one thing, it is full service, old style. They wash all the windows, mirrors, and empty any garbage out of the car. Even with service, it is still pricey. All things are relative though. The cheapest price I can find for a gallon of milk is about $4. A small water melon is about $12 at a discount food shop. Considering those prices, I don't mind paying over $5 for gasoline.
Jim
It's at $2.63 around here and $2.57 at a truck stop South of Louisville,KY.
Reg is $2.78 here.Was up to $3.00 2 weeks ago.
Down to $2.43 today.
Gas 11,89 :)
Diesel 10,79 :)
SEK/ Litre
$1~SEK. 7,25
1 US. Gal. =3,785L.
Swede
If my math is right, that would be:
Gas - $6.20
Diesel - $5.63
A nice size watermelon 5.95 at Costco and gas about 2.90
$2.689 in Gaylord. $2.759 here. It's almost cheap again ::) :( >:( >:( >:(
$2.59/gal for gas in Big Rapids, MI today.
1,129$/ liter for diesel
1,059$/ liter for regular in Wakefield , Qc
I aint gonna put no smilly's to this , cause there aint none that would fit my thinking about gas prices .
I heard a blurb on the local news last night, gas is predicted to fall to $2 by Thanksgiving. Seems to me that just last month they were predicting $4 gas.
I'll believe it when I see it.
QuoteI aint gonna put no smilly's to this , cause there aint none that would fit my thinking about gas prices .
A winner always has to smile and I´m the winner of the gas price race. ;)
Swede.
Swede
Thats one of the only races that I would willingly be proud to come in last . :D :D
1.117/litre for gas here today.
My propane jumped from 72.3 to 92.5/litre :( for heating this winter, luckily I had them come and fill my propane tank before the price went up and I'm hopinfg for a real mild winter.
OH man, some prices look good,
California, Hollister, Central Coast area, Pebble Beach 1 hour away,
Diesel, $3.30/gal Gas $3.29 / gal.
Biodiesel $3.38/gal
wishes i had a mule team.
Dirtdoctor
I was in Point Roberts WA a couple of weeks ago which is only accessible from Canada by land. Gas was $0.86.9/litre there and $1.16/litre across the border two miles away. Even with the difference in the dollar, that is a big discrepancy. Our proivincial and federal governments heavily tax fuel :(
wal I just got back from topping the truck off
2.57 for reg. now if it would stay there :)
Stay there my foot!!
I want to see under a dollar again. 25¢ or 30¢ a gallon wouldn't hurt my feelings any. :D :D
While doing my rounds today around WPB, the lowest price was 276.9.
It was the same station that started the price war last week around town. The station across the street had 279.9.
If 'n me was president. Hugo Chavez and the Iranian President's planes might get hit by a cruise missile on the way to go visit Castro or the Islamic Fundamentalist reunion. Just to get their attention of course.
Just got back from New Albany, (MS), 20 minutes from where I live. Seems gas there at exxon beside walmart has dropped to 2.35 and change a gallon. :)
Drove down the road and Gas at Dee's oil was 2.29 a gallon. :)
Weekend before last I took a road trip up to Connecticut and in Colchester Gas was 3.15 a gallon. ???
$2.76 here, like tom, I'd like to see it back to .21 gas & .18 diesel. Should someone say "ah those where the days" ;D.
I am looking at the silver lining in the high gas price cloud. We're building ethanol and biodiesel plants like crazy here in Indiana. Looks like it will be a good boost in crop prices. 8) Those plants also produce a good , fairly cheap cattle feed. And maybe the high natural gas prices will motivate those guys up there in Michigan to get down here and drill these gas wells they got leased down here. I'm pretty sure my farm is about the center of a big field. ;) :D
Quote from: Mooseherder on September 01, 2006, 08:01:13 PM
If 'n me was president. Hugo Chavez and the Iranian President's planes might get hit by a cruise missile on the way to go visit Castro or the Islamic Fundamentalist reunion. Just to get their attention of course.
You got that right. Chavez would be on top of my list. It seems to me the Monroe Doctrine could be applied here somehow ;) Gas is hanging around the 2.769 mark around here
Quote from: TW on May 29, 2006, 04:18:58 AM
If I recalculate the petrol prize here to American units I also end up above 6$ per gallon. The wages here are significantly lower than in southern Sweden. About 10 euro=13 $ per hour - about 30 % tax for a younger house carpenter.
I worked for a Finnish company for 20 years been there 20+ times. I would rather pay $6 a gallon and have health insurance and education that you can count on.
How many Americans have a summer home on the lake? Quite a few Fins do. Yes I will admit you live more conservatively than us in the states but you do have good things about your system Like a tax and penalty system that takes more from the rich than poor.
Max
I'll take our system.
Had to go to Lake Okeechobee today. They have their own price war going on.
Regular was 2.45.9 at 2 locations, a 3rd had 2.47.9
Ain't no price goring going on in that fine town. ;)
An hour East the cheapest today was 2.71.9
Makes you wonder why Stores an hour closer to the port charge more....hmmmm??
GREED?
Quote from: beenthere on September 02, 2006, 12:21:03 AM
Max
I'll take our system.
Beenthere,
I was going to just let this go, but since this post came back I will comment on your statement.
I will take our system too. Our system is "good" but it can be better. It is how the USA works in my opinion. In my opinion part of a democracy is too demand a higher standard and state opposition freely ;D It is also also my opinion that big Government and big business are making out real well while the "patriotic" American struggles ;)
I have problems with the current situation :-X :-X :-X
max
Unlead in central TN is $2.22.
Saw diesel in KY for $2.59 and it's slowly falling here at home.
It's around $1.09 a litre around here, down from $1.19 earlier in the summer. It's always higher in the summer months. We have been regulated since July and if the world price drops 5 C the regulatory body sends notice, otherwise the changes take effect every two weeks on Thursday morning. We still pay more than south central Canada and it's refined here. I know we pay more provincial tax than in Ontario, but they even pay less than places like Thunderbay and the Saulte. Historically, NW New Brunswick pay less than Saint John were it's refined. ::)
Regular is $2.09 at some stations here. Diesel still $ 2.99 .
I paid 96.3/litre with the discount card on Sunday. Yippeeee :D To put that in perspective, cost me 68 bucks and change to fill the almost dry Ranger. Earlier in the year it would have lightened my wallet by $80. :'(
I filled up last night for 76.8 per liter. During the day it will run about 85 per liter but at night they drop the price. We are in the land of "price wars" or that is what they tell us.
Texas, $2.09 to $2.22 most places, higher in some.
Yall' are making me feel soooo bad!
I just paid 2.68 per gallon here in north Fla. It was the cheapest place in town. :-\
Here at home unleaded is down to $2.29 and diesel is down to $2.81.
Down to $3.09 for the cheap stuff, and diesel is down to $3.29.
Funny thing is in California, almost half of it's crude is from, well California. ???
45 % comes from Alaska and a very small percentage is imported. And 100% of California's gasoline usage is refined here as well.
They blame our high fuel prices in our state on fuel tax, and though it is the highest in the nation, it is on average maybe a few cents higher, not the $1/gallon more they charge us at the pump. Whatever goes on in the middle east may affect Chevron(which is based in California) but why should anything outside of California, or Alaska affect the price we pay for Gasoline. I think that this is not about supply and demand, but more about what price Californians can afford or are willing to pay. >:(
I heard it was taxes and additives because of the pollution laws that makes your gasoline higher.
I read that you get about 19 gallons of gas from a barrel of oil. So, for every $1 differential in barrel price would relate to 5 cents per gallon in gas. We've had a 60 cent drop in the past 5 weeks which would reflect a $12 drop in oil. Or is someone playing with the prices?
Anybody watch the trading prices of Oil on the Commodity Board ?? Folks (Bin Laden) or others, can bid the prices up and sell anytime. Traders are responsible more than anything else, the way I see it ???????
For every contract bought, there is a contract sold. Its a zero sum game. Most commodity contracts do not get fulfilled, but are liquidated before expiration. But, the guys that are selling at those high prices are the big boys. Follow the money and you will see where the market is going.
The commodity prices are being bid up by speculators, not the oil companies. They are the ones selling to the speculators. They are guaranteed a price for their oil, whether the contract gets fulfilled or not.
That doesn't mean that traders don't push the market, but they don't have as much influence as you may believe. I've seen some unexplainable spikes in the market, and it just looked like someone was trying to wipe out investor stops.
If traders can push a market up, why can't other traders bring the market down? Using your scenario, a fund of consumers could control prices just as readily.
So what effect will lower gas prices have on ethanol and biodiesel development or the fall election?
I've watched the trading on some days. Seems that if we KNEW the actual price per barrel, then we could see where the traders go with it ?? Remember the "embargo" of the mid 70's ??? We were just getting started in Arkansas. Had to buy road Diesel and that included taxes. Once the prices started back down, the general consensus was, " No need to look for alternatives. I think this lowering of prices is just a tool, to keep the free thinkers and doers from getting too serious about alternatives. Seems to work every time we face these issues.
I'm looking into promoting straight oil from crushing oil bearing seeds, down here. Got some leads and need to check them out. Costa Rica is SERIOUS about alternatives. They even have a small Wind Farm right off Lake Arenal. 8) 8)
Here's a link I found a couple weeks ago about a Manitoba farmer that got in to extracing oil from seed
Bio DieselLink (http://www.climatechangeconnection.org/pages/news2006/biofuels06_jan6.html)
That's pretty much my feelings, as well. People who were screaming for alternative development will now keep quiet until the next oil heist. Happens every time.
Good link, Paul. Anybody ever seen the crushing machine and the process ?? I'm pretty foggy on this subject. ::) ::) ;D
I was at Costco two days ago in Salem and their regular was at $2.63 a gallon, where in most places it is still nearer the three dollar mark. Here, diesel is still at $3.18 and a bit less in some places.
Pulled in the station today and mid grade was 0.99/8 per litre in Andover. I had to take a second look because regular was 0.99/7 per hmmm ::)
There's a convenience store/gas station not to far from me - but across the line in the city. They tend to be the lowest near me because they draw them in with the gas. Thursday am RUG was 2.49 a gallon. Gettin better . . .
We have been seeing $2.19 for ethynal blend (regular) at the pumps the past few days. I am looking for under 2 bucks here soon. :)
I paid $2.45 for diesel at the local station in Merry Oaks, NC yesterday.
Paid 2.06 yesterday in Sikeston, a station in Jackson was selling it for 1.999
Never thought I'd see it this low again.
:) :) :)
Must be all that extra oil they found down in the Gulf. ::) The price will fall just enough to put these bio folks out of business, then it will climb again. ;D
$2.19 in Bossier City, LA for Regular unleaded. Paid $2.54 a few days back for diesel but I'd bet it's less today. Finally going the right direction.
LOGDOG
Still about $3.00 out here ::)
Paid $3.45 a few days ago for Diesel, here in the Willamettee Valley of Oregon. :'( >:(
$2.18 for regular and $2.38 for diesel in East Texas.
Paid $2.49 for diesel fuel today in Opel, Va at the East Coast station.
Bruce
found it for $2.49 a gallon (87 oct) for the first time. west of Pittsburgh, PA.
75.5 cents per litre. x 4 for the 1 US gal. conversion
Sothern On.
$2.04
I'll throw yall a big kiss when it goes under $2.00!
I paid 2.03 Sat.
Here's a link to MS gas prices and where they are;
http://www.mississippigasprices.com/index.aspx
Tony 8)
I bet gas prices will go back up just after election day. All a big bunch of BS
$2.29 for reg gas and diesel was still at $2.69
Jason
$0.91/9 here, but still likely to be $0.20 higher than southern Ontario. I'de like to see it back down in the $0.60's range for awhile. That wasn't all that long ago. ;D
Under $2 here! smiley_kiss
Patty beware of strangers wearing big belt buckles for the next couple of days. ;D
2.29 sw PA
96.9/litre here today, and we're not any where near as far away from S. Ont. as Swampdonkey is!!!
Something just isn't right.
2.09 in Greenwood Mississippi today
Gas is $2.24 at the pump today,
Just had the diesel tank filled with off road, $2.02 a gallon.
$2.05 this morning, the cheapest I've seen in a month of Sundays. Still waiting for the elusive "under $2.00" though. ::)
Just up the road, about a mile, it was $2.25. ::)
$1.97 for Reg, $2.09 for Premium, and $2.21 for diesel in St Helen, Michigan last weekend.
$2.01 for Reg and $2.56 for diesel in Belleville, MI yesterday.
Yeah, they are playing with us here!
Prices are going up and down based on area.
One area will be cheap this week and next week will go up, while the high area this week falls next week.
Gotta shop around.
There's about $0.20 difference between Oakfield and Houltan Maine and they are 10 miles apart, Houltan is further north. Then it is even $0.05 cheaper than Houlton at Mars Hill, Mars Hill is further North on Route 1. :o
it was 202 in Lexington Ky on monday
smiley_clapping smiley_bouncing_pinky cone_1
PUCKER UP! $1.92 to $1.99 in south east Texas. Road trips are back on!
$1.95 for regular unleaded in Bossier City, LA / $2.49 for diesel still.
LOGDOG
Quote from: Bill Johnson on September 26, 2006, 08:14:52 AM
96.9/litre here today, and we're not any where near as far away from S. Ont. as Swampdonkey is!!!
Something just isn't right.
Well, I'm alot closer to the refinery than you are. So maybe things are look'n up on the east coast. :D :D
Its only down to $2.38 here in w.ma I'm feelin left out :(.
Paid $2.29 for diesel today in NW IN.
Still around 2.40-2.50 here for 87 :'( I guess that's better than 3$
Seems to be around $2.25 in northern Maine.
$4.00+ per gallon.
Had to bring this back to the top, its interesting to watch the same pattern of gas prices each year. Its $2.73 in Okla today.
GF
$1.21.9/L for regular yesterday. $1.36 for premium. :o
$2.80 per gal. Fla panhandle >:(
Diesel at Shell $2.80, Murphy (WalMart) $2.69 with 3 cent discount card.
Northern Maine on Saturday $2.99 Reg :o
Don't y'all forget that .9¢ they have painted on the sign. :D
$2.83and9/10. In a truck that gets 8mpg. :o I need to get my CTD fixed, 20mpg!
Dave
$2.759 here in Southern MS.
Sorry Tom, but they stopped using that 9/10th of a cent thing a looong time ago around here.
Now you just simply know it's there even if it's not on the sign.
Got y'all trained good, did they? :D
Yeah they do Tom, yeah they do. :D
$1.069/litre here.
$2.65 in north MO 8)
Paid $3.01 9/10 here in Oregon today. Regular.
This morning regular was $3.219 smiley_crying smiley_crying smiley_crying
Diesel 2.86 Walmart regular 2.79 That was yesterday ::) ???
At the Valero across the road from the shop, regular unlead is $2.73 and diesel is $2.75 (of course, + .9 ). It has held that steady for the last 3 days. What the Valero store's rack price is, is 2.76 for reg. unlead. So, I imagine it will be increasing shortly.
I don't even bother looking anymore, I'm gonna buy it either way. ::) Last time I noticed it was about a month ago. Diesel $3.09 regular $3.29.
Diesel here in Baton Rouge is 2.85 regular is 2.80 premium is 2.90. What I dont get is when fuel prices are more stable, diesel is higher than premium by about 7-10 cents. As the prices start climbing they catch up to each other then gas surpasses diesel, when the prices start falling diesel stay higher. ??? I just dont understand I guess. :-\
Gas prices actually went down at the Raceway here in Manassas. Regular went from $2.85 to $2.73. As Gomer Pyle use to say to SGT Carter "Surprise, Surprise, Surprise".
Bruce
$2.65 yesterday
was $2.89 for diesel and reg. gas is $2.87 as of a couple of days ago, but am sure it's higher by now. If we go up the road about 20 miles, it's roughly 10 cents cheaper. go figure dangle_smiley
WAY TOO MUCH. >:( >:( Diesel $3.00. Regular E10 about 2.80 and premium close to $3.00
4/20/7
RUG $2.859
Diesel $2.819 - better
SE Pennsylvania
southeast mo 2.55 yesterday afternoon
central New york 2.95$ a gal
Stonebroke
The Dalles, Oregon--- $3.15 per gallon regular.
We must have the best gasoline anywhere. Why else would it be so much more expensive?
just paid $3.00 per gallon for super !!!!!
$2.939 in central NY today for 87 octane. The spiral continues.
I thought I heard a projected higher gas inventories amount to be reported on the financial news come Monday...this will drive the price down....yeah right....with government lobbies in Washington D.C. padding legislators wallets...come on....a decadent society...
diesel is at $1.25 a liter
gas is $1.20 a liter regular
$2.779 in Streator yesterday. Thats reg.
Down to $1.16.9/l here, reality must have kicked in. :D :D
gas went off 10 cents sat in North Mo...$2.55 :D
Earlier, I wrote about the gas prices, on the 20th. Well, now we have gone up almost 10 cents since then... dangle_smiley Good thing the dodge gets good mileage. My chevy truck doesn't get bad mileage either. That's a lot to pay for gas... :o
1.099 /litre here now. Our prices are regulated weekly based on the NY harbour price, plus our taxes.
The paper said we should expect 4.00$ a gal gas later in the summer. Must be they are getting us prepared. Isn't it great when monopolies can control the market and charge whatever they want?
Stonebroke
3.16-3.19 here, was only 2.95 a few days ago. Wonder what dramatic event occured now to raise it, CEO farted maybe? Good thing my car gets about 30 mpg ::)
$1.27/l here yesterday. That is $4.9149/ gallon :o :o :o My 90 Dodge pickup would have cost $145 to fill. :'(
smiley_crying I've got a Dodge Pickup!
This is all very bad news. :o :o :o 30 May, the wife and I start a road trip to New Mexico and back for the grandson's birthday. About 3900 miles round trip. Think I should plan on about $3.25 per gallon for diesel fuel or maybe that's too low? :'( :'( :'(
paid 2.89 this morning
3.05$ in CNY this morning
Stonebroke
$3.259 in town and $3.199 in the next town north. Both prices were yesterday. Probably went up a nickel overnight >:( >:( :(
Saw a sign this mornig, Diesel $2.69 and Regular $2.79.
Interesting, at the end of last week gas went up to 3.16 and sunday evening was back down to 3.09 ::)
Diesel $1.06/L
Supreme $1.26/L
It costs me $50-60 to fill my mill & edger... ::)
Prices are down 10¢ a gallon across the board here.
Diesel $3.09 Supreme $3.79 :o
Sunday, we paid $2.79 for diesel. The only cheap place around. Reg. gas is $2.91, could be more now. >:( :'(
Gas here in Okla is from 2.94 to 3.00 per gallon. It jumped .10 just a couple of days ago.
They were raising the price as I filled up this morning from $2.99 to $3.09 .
Here are the current regulated prices (http://www.pub.nb.ca/Documents/PetroleumProducts/currentmaximumpriceenglish.pdf) set by the public utilities board (PUB) in NB. Note the taxed price versus the benchmark. ::)
I saw a lighted sign at an Exxon off the interstate that said regular at $5.39 and high test was $9.98. :o :o I'm pretty sure the sign was off, but it got me kinda nervous that they were checking those lights to see if they worked.
I saw one on a sign the other day that said .399. It didn't take long to realize that they weren't open. Hadn't been for a long time I suppose. :D
michigans reg running about 3.40 the driving force??????? GREED!
Yesterday diesel was .86/L and gas was 1.12/L Few days ago diesel dropped .10/L same time gas went up :-\
Some days ago I filled unleaded 95 octane for 1,32 euro per litre which makes 6 US$ per gallon plus minus a couple of cents.
You have dirt cheap fuel over there!
Gas in central mo. $3.05 regular $2.78 diesel. Last month diesel was $2.98 and gas was $2.69
Same rip just a different way. Sure would like to thank that idiot in Washington for this.
We may not like it (higher prices). But lets face it, we keep buying it regardless the price. When "we" stop buying so much, the price will go down or level off.
If the demand is high, the price goes up until the demand is satisfied. Simple economics. Not GREED, IMO.
Still is cheaper per gallon compared to wages and price per gallon in the 50's (when gas was around $0.32 / gal and wages $1 an hour. We just enjoyed the cheap gas for many years in between there.
My take is we should drill for the oil that we know is there....off coast of California, and deep in the Gulf.
I don't like the price, but I don't complain about it. I like to have it available when I want it. :)
When my money gets tight, I will stop buying fast foods and eat out less often, before I will stop driving my SUV. Just my priorities at the moment. :)
Beenthere,
I do not totally disagree. A free market economy is just that we are all free to make choices.
BUT...
One must feel some animosity twords the oil companies that are making record quarterly earnings, while airlines go bankrupt, and we all don't get to eat as many hamburgers as we would like to :D ;)
Record profits are fine. More power to people that find a way to make a buck. Problem is the massive tax dollars subsidies that go to these large oil companies. ???
Just something to think on.
Max
I haven't been following this thread because I tend not to want make myself depressed.
But apparently gas prices are not nearly high enough. I've not seen any slowdown in traffic (speed and numbers) when I've been out.
The other day as I was putting $95 in gas our 3500 Dodge, a couple of times a young men pulled through the lot in an old clunker 3/4 ton Chevy PU and "got on it" as he left the lot. Apparently he thought he was entertaining someone. I bet he was burning gas faster than I was pumping it in my tank.
Friday evening I took Mary out to the corner dinner for a catfish dinner. As we eat, I bet I saw 20 hobby stock cars pulled on trailers heading to the dirt track just down the road. I bet not one of them staid home because of the gas prices.
Yesterday evening as I was working on Mary's lawnmower I could hear the "RIPPPP, RIPPPP, RIPPPP" of some kind of 2 cycle noise polluter on the farm to the east and a "ROOOOOR!" of some kind of pulling truck or hobby stock car on the farm to the west.
I get tired of hearing the free market argument used as it relates to many industries. These markets are not free, they are controlled. Free markets have to do with one that has many suppliers and many users. The agricultural markets are a good example, so is coal.
But, the oil market has many users and very few suppliers. As such, any one supplier can control price by making some adjustments to their supply chain. Sometimes all it takes is just a threat, and markets respond.
Other arguments of it being more expensive in the past or in another country doesn't mean a thing. Other countries have different taxation and infrastructure. Past pricing has no impact on current pricing. Why use it as a yardstick?
I am with Beenthere on this. (now that is SCAREY! :o ) My only gripe is I don't own stocks in oil! :D I will give up alot of things before I give up my big ash SUV and pick-up. It is a matter of priorities for sure. I have made decisions in my life that enable me to walk to work and to grow most of my food and my entertainment is on the farm where I live. My only reason to drive is for items I do not build or grow.....such as beer. :D
I agree, Ron.
And, your local distributor can accept some of the blame for the price as well. He's capable of gouging when his religion tempered guilt is overcome.
Georgia, to the North, has always had lower taxes on fuel. Florida residents close to the border would trade across the line, which also took other monies across the line too. For the greater benefit, it was a good thing and towns prospered from this miniature economy.
When gas prices started going up, more people began to make the trip. Then some of the Georgia retailers decided to take advantage of the difference themselves. They have raised the price of gas to match Florida's prices. The difference is that the State of Florida gets the increase here, The retailer or distributor gets the increase in Georgia. Why? Because, it's taxed by the gallon not the dollar. The result is the loss of incentive for the customer from Florida to shop in Georgia, so the Georgia retailer is beating up his own now. The short-sightedness is that the community has lost the Restaurant dollars, etc. that came with the lower fuel. Is it really greed? What else could you call it when there is no sense of community?
Jacksonville is a large, port town. Fuel is shipped into our port and distributed. Yet, gasoline can vary as much as ten cents a gallon from one side of town to the other. It's just a game that the entire fuel market plays with its customers.
It's the same as insurance for your car. The company's have to compete until the government says that you must have it to drive. Then, somehow, all the prices seem to rise and find a different level to "stabilize".
Here's a test, if you have the money to try it. Cancel your home-owners insurance. Then go out out and try to replace it. You are required to have insurance if the home is mortgaged. If you don't, the mortgager is allowed to insure it himself and charge you for it. So, the only shopping choice you have is pay a higher price for what you had, or re-finance and hope that insurance will be part of the package that one finance company uses to get the business from the other.
If anyone thinks that Big Business operates by the Golden Rule, they are sorely Evian, ..I mean naive.
We are just being trained. You can tell that you have been trained when you say "It's only $2.00 across the street". Only!! :D
A recent study was released about fuel prices in Canada and it has concluded that there is a lot of price gouging. But, I am glad to see the prices closer to the refinery have begun to be less than those far away for a change. But, this is due to regulation. Even when the price is set and a max rate established, there are still some stations adding a point or two above that rate and figure no one will say a thing. They are right.
Also, there is no shortage of fuel in Canada by a long shot. So why should a shortage in California affect my price in NB, for example? There is even a second refinery going up here. The particular company putting it up has rail, sea and road transport all integrated into several companies they own. They depend on no one to get stuff done.
A line I read from a magazine this winter read, 'They seem to be able to make money when everyone else is operating at a loss.' ;D
Quote from: beenthere on May 12, 2007, 01:46:49 PM
My take is we should drill for the oil that we know is there....off coast of California, and deep in the Gulf.
But I doubt that this would make fuel any cheaper. :-\ California uses more fuel than any other state in the Nation, but only gets 5% of its oil from arab nations. California produces half of it's own oil, and the remainder comes from Alaska and Mexico, and California refines all of its own oil. However, California continues to have the highest fuel prices in the nation. ??? Why ?because we keep buying it. :-\
Quote from: TW on May 12, 2007, 11:02:03 AM
Some days ago I filled unleaded 95 octane for 1,32 euro per litre which makes 6 US$ per gallon plus minus a couple of cents.
You have dirt cheap fuel over there!
TW,
Correct me if I am wrong, but in Finland, you get free higher education, health care, job security, and a real high safety net that helps make crime as we in the States know it almost non existent, all on a "tax dollar" that is not too different than we pay in the USA....(Best I can figure comparing with my Finnish friends.)
(Not saying the USA should be come a Socialist country, but Finland with high gas prices does have perks for the average joe.)
I get a kick out of how speeding tickets in Finland are based on income the more you make the more you pay.. That seems fair to me.... ;D
Max
3.299....
for diesel...
premium is 3.099....
something isn't right....
Ten days ago, last time I left the yard with anything other than a 4-wheeler, reg gas was $2.69.9, this am went to the bank to visit some of my moldy money, reg gas is $3.09.9 to $3.11.9. This past weekend was also the opening weekend of fishing season, methinks there might be a connection. And the major tourist season won't start till after Memorial Day.
On Tuesday May 15, 2007 there is a nationwide "gas out" planned.
If you search the internet there are several sights that have information on this.
They do not want people to buy fuel they say that the companies will lose millions of dollars. It was on our local ABC channel tonight.
Mrs. Stump Jumper
The only problem with that idea is we will fill the tank on Monday or Wednesday. Big oil will not notice it but the stations will be hurt in other sales for sure.
We need to use less gas overall to show the big oil guys. Then it will be cheaper for China. ::)
Farmerdoug
It only works if you stop driving for the day. I don't fill up every day, so these "gas outs" are lost on the vast majority of people. I filled up on Sunday, and will be good for 1 1/2 weeks. Gas went up 6¢ on Monday to $2.95.
In case you missed it, April retail sales were down. This is probably a result of gas prices. People have less money to spend, due to fuel prices. It happened the last time that fuel spiked in price.
I think they're just pushing to see how much it takes to kill the goose laying the golden eggs. :D
The big oil companies are the only entities that have the resources (from us) to research alternative fuels. But where is the incentive since they are reaping (raping) huge profits from oil. We're stuck with what big oil provides until we can separate the water molecule and burn hydrogen. If some of you wizards can figure that one out you can be very wealthy or very dead. Until then, I'll be burning gas to Sawlex.
Hmmm.....
My latest costing of my home brewed bio diesel was 96cents per gallon (not including my time or electricity cost). Sure am glad it is warm enough to burn it without worrying about gelling 8)
Max Sawdust
Yes we have all that but the stupid politicans are bysy breaking it down. No matter who we vote into parlament they all work hard to break down this wellfare system, once they are elected. Gallups show all the time that a majority wants to keep it but the politicans do not care what the people wants even if we have democracy.
Personally I am a firm believer in the Nordic form of moderated capitalism.
I remarked thay you have strangely cheap fuel, not that ours is expensive.
I have always wondered if people have thought about how much fuel is being used daily in Iraq, Afgan, etc could this possibly be a large demand culprit? I think our govt needs to look at its ownself to see how much more of a demand they have caused, it would be interesting to see the true results.
just had the off road diesel tank filled, $2.67 a gal. I think regular diesel is somewhere around $2.89 at the pump... When the guy got done filling the tank, he said "ya shoulda called last week it was 6 cents a gallon cheaper", I told him he coulda left that bit of information out.
I ask if he could bring me some gas for the woodmizer, he said yes, but I was better off putting my tank on the truck and filling it at walmart... :-\
Well I drove past a station that was still the same price as earlier this morning and it was PACKED with cars!
Knew there was a jump, one phone call and I heard the news........... $3.49 for 89 octane unlead. :o
Haven't been that high here since Katrina!
We give them the "gas out" that really don't work and they spike the price.
Thing is, they were saying on the radio this moring that prices are expected to be around $4 by Memorial Day. >:( :'( :'( :'(
That is interesting , I just filled up on off road and asked about gas 3.19 delivered It just went up to 3.29 in town . Been years now since it was cheaper off the truck. E85% was 2.58
GF, the military mainly uses diesel fuel and jet fuel, very little gasoline. Iraq is also providing a portion of that fuel, so I don't think they are the culprits...
Stew
It topped $1.30/L here. Other than going to work, I don't drive much anymore. I was planning a trip to the Okanagan this weekend but might need to re think that one.
Quote from: Furby on May 15, 2007, 08:46:59 PM
Thing is, they were saying on the radio this moring that prices are expected to be around $4 by Memorial Day. >:( :'( :'( :'(
Gas prices in San Francisco Tuesday were: $4.33 for regular, $4.43 for plus and $4.53 for their highest grade. :-\
It is a little cheaper up my way, we are about 3 hours east of SF so it is only a matter days before we see $4/gallon here . Then when it goes down to $3.29 in sept we will think it is a deal. :-\ ::)
I am sure that the Eastern Sierra and the Great Basin are near $5/ gallon, same with Death Valley. You really have no choice but to fill up in these areas, cause you may not see another gas station for 200 or more miles. move_it
$3.30 a gallon in New Richmond, Wisconsin on May 15th
1.079 - 1.099 for regular here. No more expensive than last year.
Diesel around here has gone down to $2.76 gal.. 8) 8) The regular stuff is still $3 or more a gal. >:( We use the dodge more than mine right now. My chevy truck gets good mileage, but the dodge, which is diesel, gets better mileage... ;D ;D
Diesel has started it's slow climb in this part of the country.
Be thankful if it is climbing slowly. It has us dancing around and dropping our drawers like a kid caught in a bed of Fire Ants. >:(
Diesel was $2.54 last week in NW IN, was up to $2.65 same place yesterday.
We had about a 10 cent or so jump over last week here at home as well.
3.09$ a gal for regular in central NY.
Stonebroke
3.45/gal in Port Huron this evening.
Farmerdoug
Has been around 1.08-1.10/litre for regular for the past week but jumped 3-4 cents tonight. Seems like a deal compared to the 10-15% higher prices in some western areas.
in my part of middle tennessee regular is $2.959 the indians have bought out most of our convenience markets. the price will probably go higher if the remaining ones sell out. they bought most of the motels so now are going after the convenience markets.at least part of them claim to be hindu. i guess that is better than if they were muslem. ;D
They own most of the convenience stores and gas bars here too but don't control their cost of fuel.
Max price for 'regular' self serve this morning is 1.148/litre.
3.30 a gallon here today, gas has went up .20 per gallon in 1 1/2 days. :( >:( >:(
3.20 this morning but 3.35 this afternoon. Diesel remained the same at $2.85.
Watched the Wal-Mart FLW bass tournament start this morning on Beaver Lake. 200 pro anglers wot, with a big contingent of press boats, and spectators with there boats. 4 day tournament but with practice days and travel...we speculated 100,000 gallons of gas used to chase them little old sunfish.
North Mississippi; Amory: $3.16
Iuka: $3.07
Oxford: $3.09
Starkville:$3.09
Tupelo: $3.05
Tony 8)
It was went to 3.08 Friday morning until it hit 3.15 that evening. I don't know what it is now as it is rising too fast to keep up with.
I am starting to think about making my own ethanol!
I received an e-mail from my cousin that said "Not a good day. I asked for five dollars worth of gas, the attendant f---ed and gave me a receipt." ;D
3.13 in CNY
Stonebroke
I saw 2.89 in Adamstown Pa. today, then got home to reality of 3.29 in Ct. The traffic on the roads seemed endless, I don't think it's keeping anyone home. The tourist traps & flea mkts. were packed.
I went to market in Detroit for the first time this year yesterday. I was thinking with the gas prices up traffic would be down. ??? Nope, more traffic than last year on the roads to and from market. ::) Still wating for the people to cut back on travel, NOT!!! :D :D :D
3.39/gal on the way to market and 3.49/gal on the way home. :o
Farmerdoug
I cut back on travel as much as possible several years ago, still the case.
Been trying to get up to Jeff and Tammy's place since Feb. ::)
Point being, some folks have cut back, but can you even begin to imagine the traffic if no one had cut back like they say they had, and gas/fuel prices were back below a buck ??? :o
Gas is 3.559 and diesel is 2.899 in town. We saw diesel in NC for 2.519.
We saw gas from 3.49 here at home to as low as 2.79 in South Carolina. Every 150 miles or so we came back north the price rose a dime. :-\
We ran into the same thing going south. The deeper into georgia we got, the higher the prices. We finally stopped just before entering Florida to take advantage of what we knew was going to be our cheapest gasoline. It was 3.09. I dread to see what the Florida Gas is tomorrow.
Everyone is at $2.99. It seems no one wants to be the first to trip $3.00, or else they just don't have enough 3s for their price board. :D
Apparently they got in a new shipment of 3s. One place is 3.05, the other is 3.09. 10¢ since this morning. >:(
Ron, they were probably sooooo desperate to go over 3.00 that they sawed all the 8's in half - :D
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10125/2007_05200035.JPG)
Betcha you guys don't get this kind of service in a Yankee station. ??? ???
8) 8) 8)$3,30 in North Mo..I put $15.70 in my Harley yesterday..not long ago it took $5
Larry, I bet no one else read the bill board. :D :D
Swamp, I bet you're wrong! ;D
Stew
I'll bet Swamp's wrong too ;D
As least it's better than grits. :) $3.00-$3.11 here.
reg 85-3.08 mid 87 - 3.15 super 93 - 3.24
I went to the Okanagan yesterday for a break. I put 20 bucks in the 6 cylinder Ranger cuz the fuel light was on then another 70 at the cheapest station in the valley. Down to a 1/4 tank today so another 70 bucks. OUCH. Funny thing is, it did not seem to hurt the line up at the toll booth. Plenty of BIG motor homes pulling pickups and boats plus the usual assortment of fifth wheels behind dually pickups. Lots of hot rod boats on the lake too.
diesel $3.09 reg $3.59 mid $3.79 super $3.89 :'(
It's too late for the Vasoline :-X
Can't pull anything over on this bunch. ;)
New record around here, and I sure hope that this post don't come across happy. :'(
Regular 87 octane unleaded gas.............. $3.65. :o
Highest I have ever seen it and it's that way at all the stations around here.
They got their early week hike, just waiting for their late week hike on Thursday.
Wondering if they are gonna make it to $4 per gallon by Memorial day as claimed.
I remember last year when it was a big deal and a promise that there wouldn't be any price hikes higher then 20¢ at a time. This one was 25-35¢ hike, who knows what the next one will be. >:( >:( >:(
Almost can't afford to work anymore. :-\ :-X
You guys have been getting it easy, wait until it tops $5.25 a gallon. ;)
$3.45 for hightest for the bike yesterday. I'm glad it gets 42 mpg. It would get alot better if I could keep it around 55 :)
Unfortunatley I am taking my Durango to the beach this weekend. It only gets 14mpg on a good day. that 5.9L dodge really moves tho.
Jon
first link (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/524517/double_your_gas_mileage_2x/#)
Has anyone ever heard of increasing performance, engine life and fuel milage by putting acetone in the fuel? I'm too chicken to try it till someone else does first. ;D Here is another link to back it up.
other link (http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/)
Very interesting. I was talking to one of the millhands and he says that he puts in dry gas every other tank and that improves his gas mileage by about 20%. He also keeps putting in injector cleaner.
The big drawback is pouring the acetone into the tank. It would be best to premix some in a gallon of gas, then just add that gallon when you filled the tank. It would dilute it pretty good.
Maybe we should ask the Car Talk guys. :D
Well I heard on the radio on Thursday that the state issued a statement that they would be looking into these gas prices.
Low and behold the price started to drop that same day. ::)
Down to $3.48 now. :-\
you're right furb..fuel prices compared to working distance travel just dont cut it today..added to home heating/cooling prices..they all add up to over 50% of my wages,of which the government gets another 30%..then comes the ever increasing cst of medical at 12%..that leaves a whopping 8% for me and a lot of folks like me.I would love to be able to purchase a new fuel efficient vehicle but even if i could save 5 of the 8% that i actually bring home it would take years to save enuff to buy one..and thats if i dont eat more than 3 times a week..the big question here swamp..is if the fuel prices are this high now..how will your grand children survive? :(
3.15 in CNY. How come Mich. is so much higher, normally we have about as high a gas price as anyone outside of Cal. ?
Stonebroke
GREED!
In downtown Chicago yesterday premium was 3.99.9 I forgot what regular was
Well said Furby
Stonebroke
My wife filled up for $2.999 at the Pilot truck stop this morning. I paid $3.079 at the same place earlier in the week. We can only hope that the prices have peaked.
Well it was down to $3.38 up at the lake earlier today.
I just quit looking at the price. I can't tell you what it is and have not noticed in weeks. I have to have it so I just fill up. I slide my debit card, punch my code in, and let it run till it shuts off. With 38 gallons and how I often wiat until I am sucking fumes its always well over $100 so i must be paying over $3 a gallon.
I say let it run to $10 a gallon. The sooner the better. When we start lynching politicians maybe they will do something. Whether or not it is their fault on the gas doesn't matter. They are guilty of treason in so many areas I say lynch them all and let God sort 'em out. We need a clean slate.
I paid $3.59 today. Last year I said that the price of gas wasn't impacting my decisions about traveling, and when to go run errands, or whatever, but this summer is a different animal altogether. It's really impacting my bottom line, and my budget, and it's caused me to change the way I operate.
What do you think next summer's going to be looking like? $4.59, and approaching $5.00?
It's going to reach a point where the assumption we have that everyone can afford to own and operate a car is no longer accurate. How can a minimum wage parent even afford a car these days, unless they just use it for running necessary errands? >:(
I filled up my 6.0 disel and 3, 5 gal. gascans yesterday. Just under $150.
This hurts.
Quote from: woodbowl on May 25, 2007, 10:03:24 AM
first link (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/524517/double_your_gas_mileage_2x/#)
Has anyone ever heard of increasing performance, engine life and fuel milage by putting acetone in the fuel? I'm too chicken to try it till someone else does first. ;D Here is another link to back it up.
other link (http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/)
Tried this on a quad four engine with different amounts from what I found without it I was getting 35MPG, with it I got 34MPG, I would say there is no difference if using acetone or not.
I looked at the price this morning when I pumped a Ben Franklin in her . . . . $2.78. Diesel. I guess I am supposed to be grateful. I am not.
Then I took her out for new rubber all the way around. Toyos. Seems like a good bang for the buck. Wife's van has been doing well on them so I thought I'd see how the truck does with 'em.
Then, I took her over for new oil and grease.
Full tank, new rubber, oil and grease all in the same day. We'll be eating balogna for a month now. ::)
The wash was free on the way home. has been practically everyday for weeks and looks to continue for the foreseeable future. My wife called from Oklahoma and says she got hailed on this morning and had about zero vis for a few minutes. The highway traffic stopped dead in its tracks.
Suicides go up when it rains and rains and rains. Not me. I got my prescription refilled. I'm manic again. 8) 8) 8)
Most of your fuel economy relates to how you drive and how much you idle. Shutting your car off at lights does not help, that is bologna. You wouldn't believe the # of calls we get when fuel prices go up. Everyone whines about poor mileage, "I've been getting 25 now I only get 22". Give me a break. Make sure the air and fuel filters are clean, tires are set per manufacturers specs., use good fuel, stay away from ethanol. If the check engine light isn't on and it is running OK there isn't a problem. I recommended to a guy that was getting 10mpg on his F450 pulling a trailer if he wanted better mileage to buy a Focus, he didn't think it was funny ::)
A F450 getting 10MPG pulling a trailer is about right unless is it a lightweight trailer with nothing on it.
I bought gas last night in Port Huron. $3.30 per gallon. :( The station was full and everyone fueling had a smile on the face at getting cheap gas. ::) Next year they will probably smiling at getting cheap gas at $4/gallon. :D :D :D :D
Farmerdoug
Brookfield WI had a BP (I think) station offering 55¢ off per gallon today for ethenol blended gas, didn't look like a huge pile of folks were lining up.
Last week before the holiday gas was 3.30 a gallon average, today it now 2.99 average, price drop of .30 cents in a week. Normally our lakes are packed on Memorial Day weekend, this year they were saying some lakes hardly had anyone at them. Alot of people elected to stay home and cook out instead of going to the lake.
Less money spent over the weekend resulted in less tax income from sales for the state govt :'( :'( :D :D, to bad for them.
Wonder how many people who commute long distances, and barely were making ends meet a year ago, are hitting credit cards just to get to work.
I bet credit card usage is at an all time high. Ought to google that.
Around here some people are just happy to have a job. With building down and the auto industry losing we are really hurting here. I guess that is why they are charging us more for gas. ::)
My sales of vegetable plants are at a all time high which I figured with prices and job cuts. People are planting bigger gardens this year and planning on canning more. If you can, get your supplies early this year.
Farmerdoug
Bolinbrook, IL was 3.55 today, at a station that is usually $0.10 lower per gal than 'home' (which is $3.35). So a $0.30 difference.
Bolingbrook isn't a real cheap place for gas, maybe compared to "in town" Chicago, but other then that, not really cheap so I'm surprised at your post BT.
Cheapest is off I-94 in IN.
Furby
For three years, it's been 10 cents cheaper than here in the Mad Town area. Intersection of I55 and Bolingbrook Rd.
All I know 'bout gas prices in that area. :)
But don't be surprised by what I post... ;D ;D
Around my area it is $3.14 for the ethenol and $3.26 for the other.
It was $3.36 all last week and now it is $3.26.
A gas price question:
Two years ago in August (at least that's how I remember it), when gas went up to around $2.40 (??) the gov't raised the mileage reimbursement to 48.5 cents per mile. Now with gas almost a dollar more, there has been no action.
Any idea of what formula is used to calculate the govt amount? Also, does anyone have solid information on why they are taking so long to raise the amount?
Down to 2.89 here
Stew
Regular self serve dropped to 1.097 last night. Suppose to make me feel good?
;)
I think its either to prove the economists wrong ($4/gal by summer's end), or to put the Congress at bay. ;) The cyclone that hit Iran could prove interesting to oil prices.
Prices have dropped about 5-10¢ in the past week. Back to 2.99
Saturday, a local gasoline dealer had a sale....$2.80/gallon. They had the fire police directing traffic. I drove on by, and went to my regular station and paid $2.91. Yeah, at 15 gallons I paid $1.65 more for the fillup, but I probably would have burnt that amount up being the 50th car in line waiting for $2.80. :D :D
it's $3.06 here today, it has worked its way down from $3.30
It is down to 2.90 here, but we have no choice on ethanol thanks to our Governor. Not good for chain saws.
filled up my truck yesterday at $3.05 gal... >:( Diesel for the other truck is $2.75 :o
Since nobody seemed to know the answer to my question - what formula is used to determine mileage reibursment, I did some research. I found the following information at a Texas web site.
"The IRS employs a contractor to establish the federal mileage reimbursement rate. The contractor, Runzheimer International, conducts a nationwide survey and collects vehicle-operating information under the guidance of the IRS. The company has developed the federal mileage reimbursement rate since 1981. The data gathered by Runzheimer and the exact composition of the formula to weigh the items to determine a mileage reimbursement rate are considered proprietary by the IRS."
Now I wonder why this is proprietary information. What kind of secret lies in such a formula? I guess it just figures that with gas prices going higher and higher, the government wants to keep everything a secret.
For years the Canada federal imbursement rate was $0.30/km, that was when gas was $0.45/litre. Now that it's $1.09/litre the adjusted rate should be closer to $0.50/km. But, they base it on the old rate as if time stood still. So, it is best to keep a logbook on mileage and places visited, gas purchased, oil and repairs (keep receipts). You can also claim 30% depreciation expense and cost of finance (based on mileage for work). ::)
still at 3.15$ in CNY, Been at that price for two months . At least it was stable.
Stonebroke
We have been watching the difference in mileage between gas and ethanol added gas for some time. At least on our vehicles, we see no difference to slightly better mileage with the ethanol. We have checked it on a crown vic, a Ford F 150 pulling a tile plow on a trailer, and a Buick
2.71 a gal at the beach in delaware.
Stonebroke
The gov't. reimbursement rates don't seem to keep up with increased fuel prices. You are also expected to cover all your own vehicle maintenance with the rate given. It doesn't encourage one to want to use their personal vehicle for "official business" as they expect you to.
Quote from: kevjay on May 30, 2007, 01:13:58 PM
I looked at the price this morning when I pumped a Ben Franklin in her . . . . $2.78. Diesel. I guess I am supposed to be grateful. I am not.
Been nearly a month since I posted that and lo and behold, it ain't changed just a whole lot. A little better but i still ain't happy. Ya just can't please some people ya know. I will be happy when it gets below $1 a gallon. I'm sure that will happen just anyday now. ;;)
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/12394/DieselPrice.jpg)
We are down to $2.86 for unleaded, but it's been a real slow fall with lots of ups and downs. :-\
It is 2.99 to 3.07 around here.
Diesel $2.63 and regular $2.79
This struck me as funny.Gas prices in Iran (http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070627/Iran_gas_070627/20070627?hub=World)
It went all the way down to 3.13$ in central NY.
Stonebroke
$2.89 reg...diesel is $2.69
Reg unlead is down below $3.
Seen it for $2.96 today.
Kinda hope it stays down for a couple weeks. ::)
Make the piggy roast and after roast UP trip easier to afford. 8)
Paid $2.719 just outside Tallahassee Monday nite.
Just filled up today at $ 2.659 /gal for regular . But that 34 gal. tank just kills the wallet anyways.
$3/gal in WI today
3.09 in CNY
Stonebroke
Last week end when I filled up, it was still $3.44.9 here. :'( :(
$2.67 for regular unleaded and $2.73 for diesel here in Louisiana yesterday.
$3.12 for regular unleaded.
$2.899 in my neck of the woods for unleaded.
2.949 for unleaded here today, but one station was back at 3.429. ::)
Farmerdoug
Do ya get a free set of tires with a fill-up at that one place, Doug? :D :D
Don't know but it was mighty empty though. ::) :D :D :D No sure why though. ::) ;) :D :D
Farmerdoug
2.499 this morning in SE Mo
Dropped a nickel yesterday down to $3.099 in west central WI
As of Friday evening it was $1.81 near work for reg. unlead.
Still have some places 15 miles up the road selling for around $3 and a few miles further up the road selling someplace in between the two prices.
If they are selling it for 1.81, I'm sending a tanker truck. :D
Stew
$2.78 lowest in Streator today of course I filled the truck yesterday morn when it was 2.85
Um, yeah. :o
Guess that's a big typo eh? :D :D :D :D
Even so, it would still cost ya more then $3 per gallon to ship a tanker full to ya at that price. :-\
Gas was 2.69 point nine today in Miami.
$2.559 here for unleaded and $2.699 for road diesel.
$1.06 per litre here, today ??? ???
2.99$ in CNY
Stonebroke
Was 2.59 the beginning of the week. Went to 2.89 now its back to 2.59
Holding pretty steady at about $2.79 in my area. After looking at the prices after Katrina, it still looks like a bargain.
Oil prices have risen over 10% in the recent weeks to all time highs. It doesn't seem to be showing up at the pump, yet.
2.99$ in CNY. Went up a nickel this week.
Stonebroke
Across the road, here, reg. unlead is 2.68 and diesel is 3.01. This morning.
96.9 ¢ here this morning , One reason last summer for gas prices to go up was the strong U.S. dollar ..... Wunder how long it will take for them to roll the price back down .30 cents . ???
Quote from: isawlogs on October 20, 2007, 03:08:30 PM
Wunder how long it will take for them to roll the price back down .30 cents . ???
Never is a very long time !!!!
$3.04 here in the far north east
On tuesday morning I noticed it was $2.69 decided to stop on the way home it was $2.77 when I got back. Never wait as its going to go up >:(.
I heard on the world news that someone highjacked a tanker of diesel, they found the truck in D.C. later that day but they didn't say if the fuel was still on board.
Petro diesel was $3.11 two weeks ago at home (Sequim, WA), but went up to $3.25 by this past week... all around us is much worse... I'm on a trip right now near Anacortes, WA and petro diesel is $3.65 here... kinda p#@@# me off, because there's a refinery right here!
The good news is that biodiesel B99 is $3.26 here, so I'm filling up with that tomorrow!
-N.
We are up 12 cents since Tuesday! >:( >:( 3.11 tonight.
There's a thread on another Forum I follow, and the concensus is, price is not escalating, buying power of Dollar is dropping into the toilet. Y'all DO know that the CDN Dollar is now slightly ahead of the US Dollar in purchasing power, right ???
A few years ago, it lagged behind the US Dollar by nearly 45 cents. The Euro is being accepted as the World standard replacing the Dollar. When it gets completely changed over, hold onto yer butts, it's gonna be a rough ride.
People in the USA have GOT to stop buying cheap Chinese and India crap. THAT will reverse the trend if everyone in the USA buys MADE IN USA goods. ::) ::)
Good logic Harold, but hard to do.
And I don't like it. I try to buy home grown products, even if I have to pay a little more. Just when you are about to buy a product from a "good ol" American Co., you read the fine print. >:(
Diesel went up to $3.09 in May, Ok. today.
Wrote a check for $1206.00 to fill two trucks before it goes higher. :o
Diesel was $3.39 at the end of last week through this week at home.
our propane is around 2 dollar a gallon. i know its not gasoline or diesel but its gas right. going to make a hard winter. i need to switch over to wood. but outside units are what around 7 thousand.
$1.06/l here this morning. Just sorta numb to the pain, kinda like 10 minutes after smackin' my thumb with a hammer.smiley_carpenter_hit_thumb
Just paid $3.05/gal here today.
Regular Unleaded, 87 Octane, $2.799 gal, Diesel, $3.059 yesterday.
regular is 3.09$ but in albany ethanol is 2.09$
Stonebroke
Diesel was 3.499 and regular was 2.299 at 9AM this morning.
Greg
Buy a lot of the regular....dat's a great price... ;D ;D ;D but maybe 3.299, and wishful thinkin it was 2.299 :) :)
deisel went from $3.06 to $3.17 TODAY
western mass-Diesel $3.29/gal
CNY diesel 3.41$
Stonebroke
Quote from: beenthere on November 02, 2007, 01:24:04 PM
Greg
Buy a lot of the regular....dat's a great price... ;D ;D ;D but maybe 3.299, and wishful thinkin it was 2.299 :) :)
I was dreamin' :( :'( ;) ;D
Diesel was 3.499 today . ::)
$3.09, $3.39, $1.06/l, $3.05/gal, $2.799, 3.09$, $3.17, $3.29/gal, 3.41$, HUH ?!?!
You folks ought to be rejoicing with the second cheapest fuel on the planet! ;)
What would you think, paying $7.63/gall. for basic 97 at the pump? :o ::)
id saddle my horse if it goes to $4. a gal
diesel was .11 a gal when i started driving today i paid $3.20
my labor income hasnt gone up that much
$3.29 / Gallon for diesel and $2.85 / Gallon for reg unleaded yesterday. RIDICULOUS!!! What's driving the cost of oil per barrel up to record highs right now? I know they say "supply and demand" but what's putting the extra demand on the supply right now?
LOGDOG
Quote from: Timburr on November 03, 2007, 07:03:54 AM
$3.09, $3.39, $1.06/l, $3.05/gal, $2.799, 3.09$, $3.17, $3.29/gal, 3.41$, HUH ?!?!
You folks ought to be rejoicing with the second cheapest fuel on the planet! ;)
What would you think, paying $7.63/gall. for basic 97 at the pump? :o ::)
We know, but we still like to complain. Also I think we average alot more miles per year than most people over there.
I payed 2.09 per gallon here in kentucky to fill the car a few days ago and yesterday when I went to fill the mill it was 2.98. The price isn't what gets me as much as the constant fluxuation.... if they want to charge me 10.00 a gallon for gas than so be it, but please leave it there so I can get used to that price.
The price per barrel is driven by the stock market and has nothing to do with supply and demand.....its all predictions that traders are making and the suppliers capitalize on. The price started to climb at the beginning of the war because traders surmised that fuel was going to cost more because #1 production in Iraq would cease. #2 the war machine would be drawing from supply. that started the climb and then other investors saw the chance to make money and jumped on the oil band wagon....now we pay 3.00 per gallon for gas and diesel is refined less and now costs us even more.
Diesel went from $3.05/gal last week to $3.28/ gal this week.
I think that it is odd the number of people that complain about gas but don't have a concern in the world about diesel. Yet everything they buy now days has got a fuel surchage on it.
I don't pay much attention to diesel because I don't use it. My buddy the transport driver sure does though and I pay through the cost of the goods he hauls. :(
It is just human nature for folks to only concern themselves with things they can see and feel. Coal prices are not much of a concern for me, because I don't buy any, but they have an effect on my because some of my electricity is generated by it.
Cantcutter sort of stole my thunder with his explanation of the price fluxuations, and probably explained it better than I could. I sometimes wonder what things would be like if we didn't have the Futures markets. I know that they keep most things more stable in the long run, but they sometimes seem to inhibit free enterprise, too. I also wonder how deeply the people who speculate there are imbedded in the transportation industry. Are they shuttling commodities about all over the country just so they can get an even bigger piece of the pie? The roads are clogged with JB Hunts and Schneiders and Werners, all hauling something somewhere, just be be hauled somewhere else, later. Or is all of this just something developing in my own mind as I become more and more of an old fart?
Diesel hit 3.559 here yesterday :'( :'(
Lots of things get factored into oil prices. But, we have had a rapidly falling dollar in the past couple of years. That has helped drive up oil prices. While our costs were rising, Europe was fairly stable.
The recent push has also been the industrialization of the third world. They sell more cars in India than they do in the US. Guess there might be some demand there that wasn't just 10 years ago.
Quote from: cantcutter on November 04, 2007, 08:04:49 AM
Also I think we average alot more miles per year than most people over there.
Maybe. Whilst your country is considerably larger than the UK, our hauliers are still driving for the same time duration per day , they just have multiple drop-offs, instead of a one drop. Our sawmills and other off-road machinary is still running at 'x' ammount of hours.
The average mileage of a person in a year is in excess of 20,000. Although granny only burns up 1,500 miles in a year, she is averaged out in the annual mileage by truckers, reps and the like, who drive more than 200,000 miles.
I know many people, who commute for more than 4 hours to and from work daily.
Crude price, I agree, is definately governed by the futures market, but there are other contributing factors. In it's hunger for capitalism, industrial China's (and India) demand for fuel is rising exponentially.
Ron beat me to the third world industrialization point.
I was talking about just average everyday driving....Truck drivers (haulage contactors) here will run 500,000-1.000,000 miles per year easy. I used to drive locally around town and would run 50k per year just in a 20 square mile city. My wife an I put 20k per year on each of our three vehicles.
Just so you folks know, it's pretty hard to do much over 120k miles a year as a trucker.
100k-110k is a pretty good average.
It was easy at one time, many years ago, but with todays regs, not as easy.
Some drivers that may have a near perfect run all year long may do more, but I can tell you for a fact that no single driver is putting on a half million miles a year, that pure myth!
As a driver DanG, I don't see things being moved around the country needlessly.
I see consumers wanting what they can't get near them and paying for it to be shipped.
Don't matter if we are talking about shipping a pick up truck, or a package of popcorn.
Everything is affected by supply and demand. You can say that it's brokers on Wall Street jockeying futures but take away the buyers (us) and consumption and watch the price fall. The same happens with lumber, homes, steel - you name it. Does anyone remember back in the late 80's when the truckers all went on strike? I remember going through Duluth, MN and seeing semis parked for miles on the side of the road. Seems to me it might be time again. Although, as a point of interest - railroad stocks are doing well these days.
LOGDOG
Yeah, half a million would be a bit of a stretch. That would be over 1300 miles per day if ya drove 365 days a year! Even James couldn't do that! :D :D
B-b-b-but Furby, what about all the stores that truck passes while taking that stuff to the distribution center? It all has to be shipped back down the same road to those stores. Now I know it wouldn't be efficient business for Walmart's bottom line, but speaking purely from a fuel consumption standpoint, it would be more economical to drop-ship the merchandise from the manufacturer or POE, directly to the stores via common carrier.
Not when you look at volume of material moved vs amount of fuel consumed.
Wally World, Home Depot, ect. are only getting a half pallet of this and a pallet of that and maybe two pallets of that at each store.
How many suppliers does Wally World have?
Drop shipped from all the suppliers would mean THOUSANDS of trucks pulling in and out of EVERY Wally World, EVERY DAY.
Having said that, I've personlly picked up a load of pallets in Central NY, and hauled them back to OH.
Seems like some waste, someplace in that trip, cept for the fact that I would have been driving back to OH empty at about the same fuel mileage if it wasn't for the backhaul.
Quote from: DanG on November 04, 2007, 09:29:57 PM
Yeah, half a million would be a bit of a stretch. That would be over 1300 miles per day if ya drove 365 days a year! Even James couldn't do that! :D :D
Maybe a little strech for one person ;D But I see plenty of 1 and 2 year old tractors on ebay with 500K on them.... Alot of big outfits are running teams now....and there is also plenty of log fudging going on.... I have been told to drive over 24 hrs straight before... one reason I am getting out of trucking is because the companies can't play by the rules.
That is a big issue with the truckers here. Some are running with 4 'drivers' , two in the sleeper. Only two actually drive but they all fill in the log book. >:(
Our fuel price remained a constant for 6 months, but at the turn of the year, pump prices rose by 8.25%. It's currently costing 105.9 pence per litre at the forecourt. smiley_British_jack And if you really want to know, that equates to $7.88/US gallon!! >:(
Map of gas prices.
http://www.sanjosegasprices.com/price_by_county.aspx (http://www.sanjosegasprices.com/price_by_county.aspx)
3.27$ a gal in CNY
Stonebroke
stonebroke, you need to "go west young man" ;) we have ben at 3.19 for 3 weeks, 3.16 on tuesdays as it is 3 cent off day in Unadilla.
Gas up again today $2.92, the killer is almost everything I own is diesel at $3.29 gallon.
Oil closed at over $100 a barrel today.
Calling for prices at the pump to hit $3.60 for reg. unlead, possibly yet this week.
The refinery that blew up is where they are placing blame. The news report said it could take two months to get it running again.
Our prices jumped to $3.19 today.
I paid 2.94 last week.I stopped at a small country store on the way to work,3.04 on the way to work.Got to the big city 3.09-3.15.Small store was 3.04 all 4 days.I guess they bought it when it was cheap.
I paid $1.08.7 per litre on Sunday thats about $4.95/Imp. gallon or 4.12/US. gallon, this today the price has jumped to 1.13.7 per litre which would be around $5.19/ Imp gallon or $4.30/Us gallon.
Well thanks to the yo -yo in Washington D.C., gas went over $3.00 and diesel is $3.39 today, with promises for gas to be $3.50 and diesel over $4.00 by mid summer. I don't understand how the oils companies(mostly owned by overseas countries) can get by with record profits every quarter and no one do anything. Whoops, yes I can, the president is from Texas.
CLL
We will see how fast the price per gallon comes down when the new "yo-yo" goes to Washington...wonder if that is really the cause?
At least it is not $12 a gallon as in Africa...or double what we pay in other countries.
Gas prices are comparable to prices we paid 50 years ago...when it was 30 cents and wages were $1/hour. Maybe about the same as now... ::)
(I thought a yo-yo was a toy... ;D ;D ;D)
Beenthere, your probably right. The only thing that burns me, if we had kept our nose in our own business it would have been a lot better on the prices, my opinion. I firmly believe we should take care of our own first. We have enough problems without worrying about everyone elses.
I paid $3.80 for diesel here last week.
-N.
Recent gas price increase is due to the refinary being down in Texas where they had the explosion. It will be down for 2 months.
Seems to me, with one less refinary, that there would actually be less oil demand, since you can't really sell to a refinary that can't use it. That should make oil prices go down. Gas prices would go up to reflect the lower supply.
Our prices went up 15¢ this past week.
I've heard lots of people blame people they don't like for the high gas prices. If you take the profits that the oil companies made and figure out how much profit per gallon they made, it works out to about $.10 per gallon. They are making record profits because we are buying more gas than ever in spite of the cost, not because they are raking in massive profits per gallon. Put the oil companies in a break even situation and prices will still be $3+ per gallon. The main reason prices are so high is because developing countries want more and more of the crude oil. The countries that have the oil are just selling to the highest bidder, one of which is the US because we the people are using so much gas and diesel. I own and drive a semi. My fuel bill can run as high as $1200 - $1500 per week, but I am not going to start blaming people that didn't cause it. Sorry for the rant, but I hear this all the time.
I came up with distribution of costs from this site: http://www.gravmag.com/oil.html It happens to be a geology consulting firm. This is the breakdown as of April, 2006. A little dated, but probably still within the ballpark. The basis is $2.65/gal.
Production costs: 33¢
Production profits: 95¢ These 2 are the crude costs, I believe.
Refining costs: 40¢
Refining profits: 10¢
Transportation costs: 12¢
Transportation profits: 9¢
Marketing costs: 4¢
Marketing profits: 4¢
Retailer costs: 8¢
Retalier profits: 8¢
Taxes: 25-85¢
According to that breakdown, nearly half is profit, with the bulk going to the producer of oil. I imagine quite a bit of that production profit can be blamed on the run up of crude prices. It costs the same to get a $30 barrel oil out of the ground as it does a $100 barrel of oil. Profits would vary substantially.
3.35$ a gal in CNY
Stonebroke
Diesel is $3.85 here.
:( :( :( smiley_eek_dropjawI had to go to town this afternoon and when I came pass the Country Store the price of Diesel Fuel was $3.99.The last time I was in town the price was $3.87.I guess that means everything is going to go up.Gas is $3.36.Richard
Where are you located Richard/ I see that it is around Walton, you are in my neck of the woods.
You know I see these discussions on oil company profits and our government controlling prices, etc. all of the time. I want to think that people really know better but need a place to dispense their anger. I to hate to pay the kind of prices we are having to pay but I do understand supply and demand.
I managed rigs drilling in The Ghawar Field in 1977. These kinds of fields are not known on earth anymore. They are being exploited are a massive rate. Many people are talking peek oil production. The answer in every country is to slow down. Walk to the mailbox. Stay home, burn less. Here is so interesting reading. http://www.searchanddiscovery.net/documents/2004/afifi01/index.htm
It is serious folks. I spent 42 years around the world looking for more oil. Where is it?
Boy. You folks got it easy. Here in Western Mass. diesel went from $3.53 to $3.80 overnight a week ago, just after that explosine down in Texas. Regular gas went from $2.94 to $3.09 during same time. Like they need more $
we are still at 3.35$ in central NY. I guess that is the only good thing about our price never going down is that it takes longer for it to go up.
Stonebroke
diesel $3.75 here. :-\
The Irving refinery in Saint John, here in NB supplies about 20 % of the US imports and they are working at building a second one. I think about 90 % of the oil for the refinery comes from outside of Canada. It will continue to come from those poor countries because it's cheaper to get. Also there is lots of foreign investment in those tar sands in Alberta. If the price dropped to $30/barrel that would stop that up over night. I doubt that will happen, since a lot of that investment comes from the US.
Last Saturday, I needed to fill my fuel tank in the pickup with diesel and drove past a number of stations and decided on the return trip to fill at the cheapest one. Most all were exactly the same price, which is unusual. But the Murphy station at the Walmart store was at $3.579 and that was two cents cheaper plus they honor competitors coupons and I had some 4 cents off coupons. So when I came back about two hours later, I stopped to fill up. Takes 95-100 gallons for the tank in the back and up to 34 gallons for the pickup.
But when I got back the price had gone up two cents to $3.599. So when I paid, I said something to the attendant about the increase and he said "I did not do it." So I asked how it was changed and he told me it is all done by satellite from the main office. Thru the satellite they update the price directly at each pump and the sign out front. I wonder if the updates come directly from Saudi Arabia?
Ain't this new technology great!!! :)
Here in Minnesota they now have a web site called Minnesotagasprices.com where people report actual prices at the pump so you can easily find the lowest prices in your area. I use it all the time.
Prices are regulated here and changed weekly if warranted. Since they have been doing that we have had some of the cheapest in Canada. Before ours was much higher and we live by the largest refinery in the country. I guess they figured we had to subsidize the trucking and shipping out of the province. ::)
I think that Obama or Yo Mama will probably get into office and immediately call China and tell them to stop making cars.
China's need for energy is projected to increase by 150 percent by 2020. to sustain its growth China requires increasing amounts of oil. Its oil consumption grows by 7.5% per year, seven times faster than the U.S.'
Growth in Chinese oil consumption has accelerated mainly because of a large-scale transition away from bicycles and mass transit toward private automobiles, more affordable since China's admission to the World Trade Organization. Consequently, by year 2010 China is expected to have 90 times more cars than in 1990. With automobile numbers growing at 19% a year, projections show that China could surpass the total number of cars in the U.S. by 2030.
still 3.35$ a gal in central NY
Stonebroke
I got careless and got on the wrong side of town with an empty diesel tank... pulled into a station I normally don't go to, because they are pricey... got out of the rig and walked around to the pump, only to find this!
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/15714/diesel_price_03_04_08.jpg)
Holy cow!
I pumped one gallon, and then drove the couple of miles to my normal station, where the price was $3.55 a gallon (the cheapest here now).
-Norm.
$1.50 a gallon and soon to get cheaper 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
up to3.37$ a gal in CNY
Stonebroke
I just filled up at one of the cheapest places in Jacksonville. Regular was $3.16 and HiTest was $3.69
My wife's place (well, it belongs to Valero Energy Corp./they just let her run it) across the road went down from 3.09 to 3.04 and diesel is 3.59 today. She calls before she's about to change prices to see if I need fuel. ;D
She's one of the 4 low price competitors in town who watch each others' fuel prices 2 or 3 times a day. One moves, they all move most of the time.
A refinery In Edmonton, the Shell Athabasca plant, is not running to capacity for a couple weeks because of maintenance so there are shortages in local supply over that period. Some pumps are closed, but delivery priority is to rural areas. No doubt there will be a little bump up in pricing.
Diesel price here tonight $3.99 only after the evening news reported that reserves are higher than normal.
Regular unleaded went from 3.199 yesterday to 3.349 today. Diesel stayed the same at 3.949 for on road and 3.639 for offroad. It really suxs >:( >:( >:(
Gas is 3.299/gal
Diesel is 3.999/gal
At this rates we will be using wheelbarrows like in Parttimer's pics. ::)
I just filled the truck with diesel at $4.07 a gallon. smiley_furious
Today in Stittsville, Ontario - just west of Ottawa ::
$1.07/Litre x 4.54 = $4.86/gal-imp x 0.8 = $3.88/gal-US and the dollar is about par, so we'll call it $3.88/gallon (US$ and US gal)
cheers eh?
I saw Diesel yesterday in Zanesville, Oh at Speedway for $4.15
Delivery man came by the mill yesterday and said diesel was $4.18 in Reading, PA. He didn't care since he wasn't paying for it. >:(
It's the highest I've seen here--I put $15 in with unleaded at $3.45. :o
In CNY gas is 3.41$ and diesel is 4.01$
Stonebroke
Bet Paschale got it as Speedway. ;)
They are reporting that speedway is the highest around here right now for some reason, and $3.45 is the highest per gallon in the area today.
$3.50 fur gas at da cheapest place around here, road diesel was $4.26. :'(
Quote from: Furby on March 11, 2008, 07:37:21 PM
Bet Paschale got it as Speedway. ;)
They are reporting that speedway is the highest around here right now for some reason, and $3.45 is the highest per gallon in the area today.
Nope...got it at a BP, when I was really low on gas. I kept an eye out today and most places were that high. ::) I usually try to get my gas at Costco, which is usually at least 10 or 15 cents cheaper than the most expensive.
Well I gotta get some tomorrow, we will see how high my "cheap" place is. :-\
$4.07 for diesel this mourning :( Goes up a few cents every couple days. Premium gas for my saws has been $3.97, I think regular was $3.72.
Erik
$1.19.9/l here and the gauge in the Ranger is on E for Exercise. DanG, this is gonna hurt. :'( At least I am not driving the Dodge with the 114 liter tank any more.
just passed the Mobil on the way to work, $4.25 gal... :o :o :o
I don't even look at the price anymore. I just put in how many dollars I can afford.
My truck hasn't been started since Monday. and isn't getting started till Sunday. good thing I don't leave the farm much
In CNY gas is still 3.41$ but diesel just jumped from 4.01 to 4.25$ I guess they figured they would save us the misery of watching it creep up and get the price rise all done at once. Considerate folks aren't they.
Stonebroke
Heck - you all are making reg @ 3.22 and diesel @ 4.29 sound like a bargain :o
I just spent 117$ in gas to take two cows to the slaughterhouse. Ouch!!!
Stonebroke
did you have to pay the slaughterhouse to take the cows...
Naw, I was selling them to somebody else ,They were just killing them. It still takes a pretty good chunk out of the profit if you have to truck small amounts. I wonder what this will do to the small farmer in the long run. I have sent cattle to the auction and not got anything back, Our local auction has a fund to pay for commision and checkoff if the animal doesn't bring enough to cover that.In the past some farmers would get bills, mostly on jersey bull calves.
Stonebroke
Stonebroke
I don't know how the little guy survives myself. The folks next door have a green house and about 2 acres of gardens and just moved onto the farm 2 years ago. The most of the family has been away all winter. I ask no questions.
Diesel jumped to $4.23 here now... just in the past two weeks. Sure makes it harder to drive the 15mpg diesel Suburban... so yesterday I bought a '93 Subaru wagon for $100... that's less than it would cost to fill the tank in the Suburban. The Subaru is 4WD so that's nice, but... DanG I hate small cars!
-Norm.
Gas here in Georgia is 3:12 a gal. and Diesel is 3.85 a gal. The price has dropped on both about 10 cents per gallon the past two days. Hope it keeps it up!
diesel is4.39$ near the thruway in upstate ny
stonebroke
Gas here is $3.18 and diesel is $3.99. This is crazy!!!!
Gas in central Mo. is 3.98-3.05 unleaded, 3.85-3.99 diesel. It is absolutely nuts.
Gas in Streator went down today at a couple of stations to 3.18 The highest is 3.47 most were 3.22
In Central Bridge NY Gas is 3.45$ and Diesel is 3.49$
Stonebroke
In Denmark it´s Dkr. 11,00 per. liter. Thats is 2.31 US$
diesel $4.10 :-\
Paw
Is that $2.31 per liter or per gallon? At $2.31 per liter, that comes out to $8.44 per US gallon. And we think we got it tough.
Truckers in my area are talking strike with diesel at $4.25/gal. How do you folks move goods over there where it doesn't break the bank?
We got gas to for 3.12 gal. In Houghton Lake MI
Pretty sure it's per litre. Fuel is twice as high in Western Europe compared to Canada.
I've searched and didn't find this question or answer, so excuse me if it's been asked. I've always thought that it cost less to produce a gal. of Diesel than a gal. of Gas . If this is true, why isn't the Government calling these prices, ( gouging).
David
NE Mississippi - Reg Unleaded: $3.05, Off Road Diesel: $3.52, and road Diesel: $3.82
Quote from: dsgsr on March 25, 2008, 06:53:05 PM
I've searched and didn't find this question or answer, so excuse me if it's been asked. I've always thought that it cost less to produce a gal. of Diesel than a gal. of Gas . If this is true, why isn't the Government calling these prices, ( gouging).
David
I've been told that the price is higher because there are more BTUs in a gallon of diesel fuel. There are probably other reasons.
I wish I could find what the ratio is regarding gasoline to diesel use per day, i.e., for each gallon of gasoline used there is 1.5 gallons of diesel used. Or maybe the other way around? So if you get 19.2 gallons of gasoline per barrel that means there is less diesel to be gotten. Thus it is in shorter supply. Diesel, jet fuel, and heating oil are essentially the same aren't they?
Top of Utah (Flying J): Regular is $3.20, diesel is $3.94.
Even stove oil is high and traditionally it has been cheaper than gas or diesel for trucks, even though it is burned in trucks to.
I think it's $1.25 a litre here for stove oil. My oil tank is 900 litres and in our winters a tank might do a month and a half, with the stove never shutting off to maintain 75 F. When, the fire is out it gets cold quick. With a wood fire it's warm for several hours after the fire goes out and takes less than a cord a month at $200/cord. Time taken to clean up the basement in spring of wood chips and bark and dirt is about an hour and time taken to stack the wood is about 2.5 8 hr days. ;D
I found this information about what comes out of a barrel of crude:
Finished Motor Gasoline 51.4%
Distillate Fuel Oil 15.3%
Jet Fuel 12.3%
Still Gas 5.4%
Marketable Coke 5.0%
Residual Fuel Oil 3.3%
Liquefied Refinery Gas 2.8%
Asphalt and Road Oil 1.7%
Other Refined Products 1.5%
Lubricants 0.9%
Another site said that you get 7 gallons of diesel per barrel.
Diesel is always high during the winter months when its in competition with heating oil.
On my way to work this morning, I saw diesel for $4.25. I repeat....$4.25.
Historically diesel was priced below gasoline as it is basically a by product with the focus one of producing gasoline.
I believe the reason diesel has been more expensive at the pump is that the oil companies understand that the price of diesel is somewhat meaningless to John Q. Public and so the masses don't get too excited about it. The public fixates on gasoline. So in a perverted way the oil compaines can improve their margin two fold by increasing the margin on diesel, jet and heating oil (yes. the consumers in the northeast react to heating oil but that is a small percentage of the market).
The other thing that would make this scheme work better than hiking gasoline prices is that the higher diesel price is basically a pass through for most users of diesel. It is only now that John Q. is paying attention because the cost of commodities has risen to the point it is beginning to hurt.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it .......unless of course you all shoot it full of holes. Ron?
OWW
Here one hole I think 8) Ethanol came along and made diesel the short one and gas is a by product now.
SE
Just paid £1.20 per litre here in the UK for diesel. >:( >:( >:(
How many litres to a US gallon?
John
According to my metric converter 1 US gallon equals 3.785 litres
Filled the car this morning at 1.15$/liter >:( I did not go check diesel . :-\ I just know its way up there. :-\
$3.39 a gallon for regular unleaded gas in the northwoods of wisconsin :-[ 50 bucks for a half tank took me 3.33 hours of work (with out uncle sam gettin his share) to put that gas in my tank :-\
max
Unleaded is 3.29/gal this morning, off road diesel is 3.85/gal. I have started to calculate how much it cost me per mile to go somewhere..... helps me think twice about it.
When I went to work this morning, the local gas station was at $3.29. When I came home, it was up to $3.37.
I can't see any reason for this rise. Oil prices peaked a couple of weeks ago.
I don't think fuel and coffee companies need a reason, Ron. They probably had a big convention last month and need to pay for it. :D
Right now, Big Oil guys are lying their brains out, in front of Congress ::) ::)
In Montreal today gas was $1.27 per liter so $4.80 per US gallon....
Well Irving Oil has to find some way to subsidize that 400,000 barrel a day refinery next to their existing 300,000 one.
I'll be glad to throw that Graham out on the street after the next election. ::)
Filled up this afternoon for my 70 mile commute ta work. And it only cost me $3.56 for regular. >:(
Chet,
You could almost get an apartment closer to work for that kind of money.
If I were still sawing I could pay for a camper on the back of my truck... with a garden and putting green. :D
3.27 is the lowest for regular unleaded i've seen here in lebanon county Pa I cant wait for for the temps to rise a little more so i can get the motorcycle out and start saving for back and forth to work. I'm glad i'll be heating with a wood stove for 08-09 and beyond now all i need is a electric hot water heater and i wont need heating oil at all.
1.144/10/litre regular unleaded self serve
1.382/10/litre ultra low sulfur diesel self serve
1.245/10/litre furnace oil
Over $4 for diesel today. We saw prices from $4.10 to $4.16 in town today. When we got back home our local and only station in Nob Hill was still at $3.99 so I filled up...to the tune of $84.
Can't wait till we break $5. ::)
3.45$ for regular and 4.37$ for diesel in warnerville today
Stonebroke
$3.47 gas
$4.19 diesel
$3.52 for 87 unleaded last night. Joliet, IL.
:-[ :-[ :-[ Gas is now at $1.59 a ltr diesel $1.65. Up the Dempster hwy in Inuvik it has hit $2.20 a ltr :-\
One of our stations raised the price Monday afternoon and then when I went home yesterday they had already raised it again.I'm pretty sure they hadn't got another load in a 2 day span.Usually I see the truck there in the evening when I go home on days he delivers . They raise it then he pumps it. I didn't see a truck there unloading fuel at any time went through there. PRICE GOUGING BIG TIME!!! The other 2 stations in town are still at $3.34 a gallon. Thats a .13 a gallon difference!!! What are we to do? ??? I have already parked my truck and my wife and I are carpooling .... whats next ??? will I have to saddle up the pony??? ???
In my monthly electric co-op magazine, there is an ad for a 2 and 4 seater pedal machine. I am beginning to think of just how much of a load I could carry with one, with the right gearing and all.
Gas went from 3.45 to 3.55 yesterday. It makes it easier for them to change the sign when it goes up in ten cent increments.
Stonebroke
The last time I bought gas, it was $3.25 and that was 10 days ago. Today its $3.45, so its 20¢ in less than 2 weeks.
Gas went from $3.17 to $3.35 overnight. Diesel is now $4.15 what a rip.
I use 93 oct. in my lawn mower. paid 3.63 a gallon bought 4 gallon that should get me 3 mowings. Even mowing the yard is getting expensive. But that is my alone time so i'm not sure I can put a price on that.
Time to mow again.
Quote from: little Bark on April 18, 2008, 03:22:08 PM
I use 93 oct. in my lawn mower. paid 3.63 a gallon bought 4 gallon that should get me 3 mowings. Even mowing the yard is getting expensive. But that is my alone time so i'm not sure I can put a price on that.
Time to mow again.
WISH I WAS MOWING STILL SNOW HERE
Reg unlead was up to $3.55 earlier this week and fell to $3.47 by yesterday.
However, diesel has been holding pretty steady $4.15 with a high of $4.19.
It jumped to $4.29 as of yesterday.
Diesel here is 4.39. I put $150 in my 550, and four gas cans was another $65. Yowza.
The peridigm is a changing!
Ironwood
3.63$ for regular and 4.49$ for diesel in warnerville NY
Stonebroke
Was wondering why all the gas stations had lines today............ as if I couldn't guess. ::) ::)
Reg unlead $3.69 up from $3.43 this morning. >:( >:( >:(
Not sure how much longer a lot of folks I know can hang on, myself included. :-\
All this because the price of oil hit a record $117 a barrel, only because a Japanese oil tanker was attacked. Don't you like how gas prices go up right away at the pump, when all the hubbub on Wall Street is all about crude oil that won't trickle down to us for months?
The buggers... >:(
Seen 6 tanker trucks in a 6 mile stretch near work yesterday morning.
Two were off loading at stations and 4 were enroute.
Never seen that before in such a small area and can't figure out why, unless there was a run on the pumps with folks fearfull of it going even higher.
My Mom saw on the news last night that prices were going to go up today again.
They went down a penny or two.
they still carry the super premiun blend for up to .40 a gallon more. i wonder why anyone would buy a car that would require the extra price for fuel? just dumb ::) it looks like they think since the automobile manufacturers can convince us that we need 300 horsepower to get to work that we should shut up and pay up. i still drive my yugo and get passed by those gas guzzlers, but i catch up to you at the first redlight not to mention i pass you again while you are in line at the gas pump.
At the moment, across the road at the Valero, unlead regular is 3.41 and diesel is 4.09.
The wife and other retail managers had a meeting with the upper crust of Valero Energy yesterday. Since Valero bought into the retail, it had been utilizing the refinery's capital to help renovate, revitalize and build up the retail stores to what their maketing strategies had envisioned.
Now, the retail is on its own. Rather an either make it or break it scenario. Notoriously, retail fuel sales in such environments has been an 'invite' to merchandise sales. Summarily, there's not enough profit on fuel sales to pay its own way (pumps, fees, electricity, delivery, etc.). With the 'pay at the pump' becoming more popular and universal, trying to keep people coming in the store to make purchases has been more and more of a challenge.
Ultimately, the retail store can not/will not remain if it does not maintain enough profit to keep it from becoming a burden.
As an interest, the wife's store's projected fuel sales is 4,500 gals a day. Anything over that, and she is penalized. Anything under 4,000, she is penalized. In the past, managers received a quarterly bonus depending on a complex list of percentages of initiatives and quotas.
As of May 1, this changes to a trimester bonus. Of course, significant changes as to how those fewer bonuses are translated will implement also. As an example, if, during a trimester (4months) there is the loss of one employee, the 17.5% on "turnover" is lost. An employee caught selling tobacco or alcohol to a minor, costs the manager 50% of the trimester bonus. Etc., etc.
I suppose it should be considered fortunate that the minimum a manager can make on their bonus is $0.
Now, this morning, my wife gets up at 2 AM to get into her store to have time to complete absolute necessary functions, before she has to leave at 5:30 AM to go to another meeting (stopping at another store on the way and picking up some other managers who are to meet her at that location) at 8:00 AM, from which she will leave at about 5 PM, and get back to her store about 7PM. At which time she will have to complete other absolute necessary functions before she can leave 'for the day'.
Oh, the upper crust from Valero did recognize and address the fact that there will be more theft, robberies and irate customers as the fuel and merchandise prices increase, and as the economy goes the route it is going.
One of the, in my belief, positive changes in determining a manger's bonus, is that there will no longer be a 15% loss due to customer complaints. It seems Valero's research designated that nearly all of those turn out to be unwarranted complaints.
The people who work in these stores have no control on their prices and/or merchandise.
More and more checks and credit cards are being declined at the pumps and registers. The employees have no control over that, either.
More and more, paying before pumping fuel is becoming necessary. The employees can not hold credit cards, driver licenses, money, children, etc. for 'possible' payment. Policies do not allow it.
Trying to get them to do it, wastes time and puts the employee(s) in jeopardy. They are strictly limited as to how much money they can have in their registers at any given moment. They do not have the funds in their registers to break $100 bills for small purchases.
Having such, could cause their immediate termination.
In the end, the managers/employees are under a lot of rules, regulations and pressures.
In short, it ain't their fault and they're all trying to make a living in an ever increasing economic downturn, too.
makes me wish i could work for a nice company like valero. i heard of a case that happened in nashville tennessee. a clerk was robbed at a convenience market. the company fired her because the robber got too much money was thier excuse. hell i would not want to work at a convience store just think 10 or more pumps having to watch for drive offs as well as shoplifters. not to mention getting shot.
Quote from: easymoney on April 25, 2008, 01:16:18 PM
makes me wish i could work for a nice company like valero. i heard of a case that happened in nashville tennessee. a clerk was robbed at a convenience market. the company fired her because the robber got too much money was thier excuse. hell i would not want to work at a convience store just think 10 or more pumps having to watch for drive offs as well as shoplifters. not to mention getting shot.
Let's not forget getting cussed multiple times a day for everything under the sun, including not being able to rummage the dumpster. The growth in the last few months of transient population scrounging every loose item in the neighborhood has become pretty critical.
On the upper side, those same Valero upper echelons did come to the wife's store a couple weeks ago to take her to lunch and present her with second service award. Only one other store in the country has received two of those awards.
Didn't come with any money, though. :(
3.64 for regular here in central KY. diesel is 4.15 a gallon.
Gas has dropped 8¢ in the past few days. Our highest had been $3.65, and now its down to $3.57. Seems that the dollar has increased in value.
We broke the old record (set last week at $3.69) here this week.
$3.75 for regular unlead.
It had fallen to $3.66 as of this afternoon.
Diesel is still holding steady at $4.29, with a handful of places a few cents cheaper.
3.77$ a gal regular and 4.54$ for diesel in warnerville NY
Stonebroke
We just came back from Springfield, MO. Paid 3.299 for 87 regular at a 66 station right off interstate 44. Diesal was 3.98 the lowest place I seen.
Closer to home we got, the higher it was. Was up to 3.499 for 87 reg. in town. Fallen a few cent here and there.
The one place here in Kent is 3.84 for the cheep stuff [joke, huh?] Up in Torrington last night, 3.71 - Big town, more compitition I guess.
Quote from: Ron Wenrich on March 24, 2008, 05:07:39 PM
Paw
Is that $2.31 per liter or per gallon? At $2.31 per liter, that comes out to $8.44 per US gallon. And we think we got it tough.
Truckers in my area are talking strike with diesel at $4.25/gal. How do you folks move goods over there where it doesn't break the bank?
Hi Ron!
Its $2.31 per liter - and we have two cars ...........
did you see the guy on the news down by huoston he said he had been driving a fuel truck for bunches of years and never thought he would ever get hijacked. seems someone pistol whipped him and took his truck and trailer. they still had not found the truck or trailer as of this am.
gonna get worse as time goes on i am afraid.
Regular unlead up to $3.89. >:(
The news report I just saw, claims the price will continue to rise until at least June. ::) ::)
We had an 8¢ jump yesterday. Back to where it was last week. The drop had been due to the stengthening of the dollar.
We went from 3.65 to 3.79 yesterday. So amazing how all the gas places in town uped their prices at exactly 11:00am. If this isn't price fixing I'm not sure what is.
we're at $3.55 reg $3.65 Mid $3.75 super................ I like how the price has change three time between tanker deliveries..................... All I keep hearing is pass on the costs to the consumer..
We have to get Joe consumer to wake up and stop buying stuff !!!!! Stay away from Walmart, Sams,BJ's Se rs Kmart etc etc, stop going to the chain resturants and so on let the monopolies feel the heat, buy local stay local support only Mom and Pop operations................... I don't see this happening soon enough,we're going to feel the heat for a while --- its going to take a depression to wake up the yuppies etc...................
I don't know what the price of gas is here ;)
My fuel is holding steady at $2.17 per gallon.
We are traveling in BC right now and Diesel in Osoyoos works out to 5.32/ US gallon.
My Dodge makes 20.5 mpg towing the trailer. I don't care, there is no snow here and the leaves are green and the flowers are out.
Sawdust.
Cheater ;) :)
Quote from: flip on May 08, 2008, 07:30:57 AM
We went from 3.65 to 3.79 yesterday. So amazing how all the gas places in town uped their prices at exactly 11:00am. If this isn't price fixing I'm not sure what is.
Same here Flip.
Greg
Just left the wife, and she had a stack of numbers and the pole to change the prices. Was going up to 3.63 for unlead and 4.29 for diesel.
Corporate sent more 4's and 5's for her numbers yesterday.
This morning's prices will likely change for the higher later in the day. She's still selling lower than what her rack prices are.
Just saw $3.95 here this morning at Speedway
Price was 3.69 on the way to work a 6:00 in the morning and was 3.75 on my way home on 5/12/08. I can't wait to see what they are today. I now always stop in the morning before the daily price increase takes place.
Has anyone started to fill up more often to try to keep the tank full on the lower price? I typicaly will fill my Honda 1 once every 12 days. now on average there could be 5 price increases or maybe decrease in that period. I think the last time I filled up the price was 3.63 a gallon. I could have stoped yesterday and got maybe 3 gallons at 3.69 if I were to stop to day I would be 3.75 for that same 3 gallons. Or do you wait until next week when who knows what it is going to cost.
I just fill up when it's getting low, but I do use a website that tells me the gas prices in my area, and the cheapest price in my commute route.
If I can hold out until the weekend, I get my gas in northeast Maryland where it's at least $.20/gallon cheaper.
Went to $3.96 while the wife was in town today. Man I can't wait for them to get my jeep done.
I filled up my truck on Saturday - $4.219 for diesel at the cheapest station in town. It cost me $98 to fill my tank.
Diesel on Monday was $4.259.
The good news, such as it is, is that with the warmer weather the demand for heating oil is down, so we should start to see the price of diesel fall below regular soon here in the Northeast.
Regular went from $3.85 to $3.99 here this afternoon.
Yup, $3.99 here for unlead and $4.59 for diesel. >:( >:( >:(
Another driver saw diesel for $4.75 in the Chicago area today.
And that brings up a question.
I was talking to a fellow West of Chicago on Friday and he said that Chicago past a law requiring a special blend of diesel to reduce emissions/smog during the summer months and that blend was going to cost more.
Anyone know about that law and what the special blend is ???
Little Bark,
Normally I fill my tank and drive until empty, I don't like wasting time stopping to fill up all the time.
The past several months though, I put in around $20 at a time as that's all I can come up with most times.
Means I get to stop for gas most days. :-\
3.89 for reg and 4.71 for diesel in warnerville NY
Stonebroke
$1.32/litre here. It's gonna cost almost a hunnert dollars to fill the 6 cylinder Ranger :'( My buddy says he pays $1.25 at the diesel card lock. We are charging freight on all orders of non stock units now, we have to.
Filled up the Toyota yesterday, 199.9c per litre :o
They were just too chicken to break the $2 litre.. yet :-\
I make that about US$ 6.40 per gallon.
Might be why they sell more Toyota Corollas than V8 pickups here :(
Ian
Ian
I know that the reason for high fuel prices in Europe is mainly due to high taxes. How high are your taxes on that $6.40/gal gas? Ours varies from state to state, but I think ours totals about 52¢. I'm sure someone will correct me.
Ron, I found this on Gas tax.
http://www.michigangasprices.com/tax_info.aspx
Quote from: Furby on May 13, 2008, 07:35:37 PM
Little Bark,
Normally I fill my tank and drive until empty,
My daughter always rolled her eyes when I would tell her she was going to burn her fuel pump out, and clog her injectors by running on empty always.
She's pretty smart for a blonde, she thinks. "Dad, a fuel pump can burn up if it
runs empty with no gas going through it not while it is just low."
Dear Abby, said I. A fuel pump housing will be exposed, not immersed in the fuel, while it is running with only a shallow layer of fuel in the tank, which will allow it to overheat. After so many times the pump can sieze. Plus, all the sludge, contaminants, and algae which grows down there will make it's way to your injectors filters be danged.
I just spent over $800 last month to have her fuel pump replaced. Coincedence I'm sure. ::)
Furby I am 100% sure you are aware of this possibility - just a frieindly reminder.
Coincidence---might be some cars that could hurt a tiny bit, but think theirs more importance things in life to worry about. Like--- do you have enough grits on hand.
SE
Quote from: Ron Wenrich on May 14, 2008, 05:48:43 AM
Ian
I know that the reason for high fuel prices in Europe is mainly due to high taxes. How high are your taxes on that $6.40/gal gas? Ours varies from state to state, but I think ours totals about 52¢. I'm sure someone will correct me.
Yes, I think our tax rate on fuel is much higher. I dont have the exact figure on hand though, but it's probably about $2 gal tax
Ian
Quote from: TexasTimbers on May 14, 2008, 11:21:22 AM
Furby I am 100% sure you are aware of this possibility - just a frieindly reminder.
I am now after spending over $200 to replace my fuel pump a couple weeks ago. >:(
Add another $60 + in gas driving my folks V8 to work while the truck was down. :'( :'(
Coincedence ???
Maybe, maybe not, but I also had just run 2 gallons of old chainsaw mix through that tank as well and my filter was REALLY dirty as well.
Where's the truth........... who knows, but I can't afford the $ to keep the tank full. :-\ :'(
Jumped from 3.75 to 3.96 in a day .Sorry folks but gas does not jump that fast in price . there is somthing funny going on behind our backs.
3.93$for reg. and 4.79$ for diesel in warnerville NY today
Stonebroke
The Jehovah witnesses stopped by today to tell me about the higher fuel prices and it's relationship to the teachings in the book of revelations and to the second coming of Christ. (Honest they did) I said Hallelujah! I hope he can turn water into gas.
QuoteI said Hallelujah! I hope he can turn water into gas.
;) ;) 8) 8) :) :)
Jeff if he comes by your house first send him by here next please ???
3.95 for reg. and 4.81 for diesel today
Stonebroke
I need to mow the lawn, but I'm wondering if it's worth it. :-\
get some sheep
stonebroke
Farm Diesel is $4.15, road diesel $4.39. Regular jumped from $3.65 to $3.75, like someone else mentioned, something fishy going on. And big oil denied any wrong doing today with the top Exxon guy fessing up to 12 million plus as his yearly take. smiley_airfreshener
Quote from: DanG on May 21, 2008, 04:59:30 PM
I need to mow the lawn, but I'm wondering if it's worth it. :-\
Get one of these: https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,31500.0.html (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php/topic,31500.0.html) (the reel mower, not the RR!)
I filled up Friday and paid $4.259. Monday it was $4.359. Tuesday it went up to $4.459. Holding stead ysince then, although I've seen it as high as $4.799 at another station.
Goats are better than sheep for lawn care, 'cause they love poison ivy - it's like goat candy...
We hit $4.10 a couple days ago fur da regular stuff, and Ya really don't wanna know what der askin' fur da diesel stuff. :'(
I paid $5.08 today for diesel. 25 gallons came to $127.00. I guess I better get to work. :o :o
Wow logwalker, I thought it was bad over here on the other side of the pond... when I drove home today the local Chevron went to $4.10 a gallon for regular unleaded, and $4.70 for diesel... seems like it's jumped 15 to 20 cents in just the past week...
-Norm.
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Illusions of Candor
By Chris Nelder | Wednesday, May 21st, 2008
Rising oil prices just seem unstoppable.
Even I was amazed to see crude pushing $130 on Tuesday. Not because it had gotten to that price, but because it got there so fast. That's 30% over where it was at the beginning of the year.
The peakers (or, if you like, the "peak freaks") have won the debate about oil supplies, and it was the price shock that ended it. I'd still prefer that the discussion revolved around flow rates-that is, whether we can really get from 85 million barrels per day (mbpd) today to 116 by 2030, as the IEA has predicted-but I'll settle for not having to see some "expert" on TV predicting that oil is going back to $45, or $25, or whatever, anymore.
At least the message that oil prices are never going back to those levels seems to have gotten through.
Last July, the National Petroleum Council joined the chorus predicting that oil supply would reach 115-120 mbpd by 2030. I lambasted them for it, along with many other knowledgeable observers.
One of those observers was Matthew Simmons, the world's top oil investment banker, who remarked, "We don't have any idea where those reserves are going to come from or how we are going to get them out of the ground. The odds of this ever happening are zero."
Simmons had argued for years that oil was far too cheap, and would soon go into triple digits. He saw $150 oil not too far into the future, and eventually perhaps $300 oil, but in mid-2007, he was widely ridiculed for it.
Well, Simmons was right. He wasn't the only one, either.
Legendary oil investor T. Boone Pickens agreed with Simmons, and placed his bets accordingly, which made him a fortune. Pickens' latest bet is that we'll see $150 oil by the end of this year.
Goldman Sachs is another. They were the only investment bank to correctly predict today's oil prices last year. Their latest prediction? $148 a barrel this year.
I think that's about right. It might even be a bit on the conservative side.
But not everyone in the oil and investing business has had the vision to see the future of oil clearly, or the guts to make such bold predictions.
Unfortunately for America-indeed, for the world-our president, with all of his experience and knowledge of the oil business, has been one of the last to come around.
The Jawbone of an Ass
When Dubya was first running for president in 1999, and oil had risen to the shocking price of $30 a barrel, he chastised President Clinton for it, arguing that he "must jawbone OPEC members to lower prices."
Perhaps he intended "jawbone" as a reference to Judges Chapter 15 in the Bible, where Samson picks up the jawbone of an ass and uses it to slay 1000 Philistines. That sort of megalomanic Christianity has been a common theme in his presidency. But some of us might read his metaphor a slightly different way...
As his campaign went on, the "jawbone" solution became a regular part of his stump speech. In June 2000, the New York Times reported:
"I would work with our friends in OPEC to convince them to open up the spigot, to increase the supply," Mr. Bush, the presumptive Republican candidate for president, told reporters here today. "Use the capital that my administration will earn, with the Kuwaitis or the Saudis, and convince them to open up the spigot."
His pitch was essentially unchanged in the spring of 2005, with oil now trading in the $50s: "I'll be talking to our friends about making sure they understand that if they pinch the world economy too much, it'll affect their ability to sell crude oil in the long run," Bush said.
When Gov. Bill Richardson was energy secretary under President Clinton, he did plenty of jawboning-or at least, he tried. In an interview with the Associated Press a few days ago, he remarked that "on several occasions they increased production and the price actually went down."
But Bush, he said, was (as they say in Texas), all hat and no cattle. "He never jawbones."
Until recently, that is.
To be fair, Bush has sent his energy secretary, Samuel Bodman, several times to try to talk OPEC into producing more oil, but he too has been frustrated. "I certainly have made my views known. Whether they respond or choose to respond is up to them and not up to me. I'm doing the best I can within the limited sets of options that we have," Bodman recently remarked.
Neither Bodman's efforts nor Bush's have produced results. Not only has Bush earned no capital with Kuwait or Saudi Arabia, he's been earning their disdain.
Last Sunday, on his second jawboning trip to Saudi Arabia this year, the president had the temerity to lecture the Saudis over their morality, social policies, and energy policy. He warned that "the supply of oil is limited, and nations like mine are aggressively developing alternatives to oil."
"Over time," he cautioned, "as the world becomes less dependent on oil, nations in the Middle East will have to build more diverse and more dynamic economies."
The Saudi leadership was swift to respond, chastising those "who are questioning our oil practices and policies." They were also quick to point out that their decision to increase oil production by 300,000 barrels a day by June was not influenced by Bush's trip. That decision was made a week prior, and was simply calculated to meet anticipated demand.
The markets weren't impressed, and responded to his trip by sending oil a few dollars higher, to over $126 a barrel.
"Bush's credibility is zero anyway," remarked Walid Khadduri, a Beirut-based consultant, on the trip. "I really don't know anyone who follows what he says, especially after what has happened in Iraq and then his Knesset speech the other day," he said, referring to Bush's apparent swipe at Barack Obama at a recent speech to the Israeli legislature, wherein he said that "some seem to believe we should negotiate with terrorists and radicals."
Once again, Bush seems to be living in an alternate universe.
Not only is jawboning the Saudis to increase their oil production a kind of negotiation with our "friends" who don't subscribe to most of our democratic ideals, biting the hand that feeds you at the very same moment is a tactic that even a three-year-old wouldn't try.
OPEC knows the score on oil as well as anyone. They are basically correct in asserting that the markets are well-supplied, and that global refining capacity for the ample supplies of heavy sour crude from sources such as Iran, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela is limited.
They also know that, as I have written about previously, the skyrocketing price of oil in recent times has as much to do with the sinking dollar as anything else. But the Bush administration has done nothing about that, so why should they make extraordinary efforts to increase oil production? They would rather simply limit their exposure to the Fed's failed fiscal policy by trading more oil in euros and other non-dollar denominations.
Finally, OPEC knows that peak oil has arrived, and its members are becoming more focused on stewarding their black gold riches for their own countries' benefit than they are on trying to prop up the U.S. economy. "I think it's a mistake to have your biggest customer's economy to slow down," Bush whined, but OPEC is looking at their biggest customers going forward: not the U.S., where petroleum consumption is slowly declining, but the emerging economies of the world, where demand is red-hot.
But President Bush has continued to pretend that we can drill our way to oil freedom, if only those *DanG Democrats and environmentalists would get out of the way...even though he knows that's not true.
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"W" Is For Wrong Way
It's not like President Bush has been oblivious to peak oil. This wasn't his first statement to the effect that oil won't last forever, although he's been careful to avoid the phrase "peak oil." Dick Cheney himself explained the reality of peak oil to the Institute of Petroleum in November, 1999:
By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously controlling about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greater access there, progress continues to be slow.
Adding another 50 million barrels par day is like adding another five Saudi Arabias. Even Bush knows that's not possible. The whole time he's been talking about jawboning our friends, he has known what was to come.
And he has done his level best to ensure that America is completely and utterly unprepared to deal with it.
A president who truly cared about his country, knowing what he has known about peak oil, would have taken the galvanizing effect of 9-11 to ask his fellow citizens to drive less, to conserve, to pull together in a campaign of relocalization, and do to all that we could to wean ourselves from our addiction to oil.
Instead, he encouraged us to jump in our SUVs and go shopping.
Instead, he tried to manufacture consent to invade Iraq, and go after its oil militarily on a false pretext, which actually reduced the global supply of oil.
Instead of actually doing something to reduce our dependence on oil, or aggressively pursuing renewable energy technologies that are technically and economically viable today, he has put a big fat thumb on the scale in favor of the oil and gas business, and trumpeted the fairy tale of a "hydrogen economy" and not-ready-for-prime-time switchgrass ethanol.
He has blocked and stalled every meaningful attempt to address the climate change challenge, to the point where America now stands alone in the developed world in opposing the Kyoto Protocol. Worse, the White House has directly intervened to prevent the EPA from granting states the authority to set more stringent air quality standards. This administration has consistently demonstrated a "disregard for the law and science" in its opposition to environmental protection, according to federal judges.
Instead of asking America to reduce its dependence on petroleum, he has argued that we should crawl out even further on that limb by expanding destructive drilling off our coasts, and in our remaining wildlife refuges and natural preserves. This White House has attempted at every turn to gut conservation laws and render their enforcement toothless.
"Until we change our habits, there's going to be more dependency on oil," he admitted, but then has recommended absolutely nothing to change those habits. Instead of doing something effective, like supporting expanded rail service and requiring higher CAFE standards, the administration has sided firmly with the automakers in resisting higher efficiency and emission standards, while leaving Amtrak to struggle along on a life-support budget.
Indeed, he has actually made our problems worse, by killing the Partnership for a New Generation Vehicle program, which promised to deliver 80 mpg cars, and replacing it with a the pie-in-the-sky "Freedom Car" program, which only served to delay any real progress.
Not to mention this administration's full-throated support for corn ethanol, which has caused the painful-and entirely predictable-inflation of food prices, but which has not brought oil prices down at all. In fact it has only delayed the inevitable day when we must find ways to reduce our consumption of liquid fuels, a delay that will cost us dearly in the coming years.
"Our problem in America gets solved when we aggressively go for domestic exploration," Bush said after meeting with Afghan President Hamid Karzai a few days ago. "Our problem in America gets solved if we expand our refining capacity, promote nuclear energy and continue our strategy for the advancing of alternative energies as well as conservation," he said.
If only that were true. The nation's refinery utilization is currently at the bottom end of the normal range. Nuclear energy production cannot grow much beyond the current level (I explain the reasons for this in my book, Profit from the Peak), and it isn't going to do squat about our liquid fuel crisis. For electricity production, wind and solar are safer, and in many cases, cheaper than nuclear energy anyway.
And continuing his "strategy" for advancing alternative energy and conservation would amount to doing far too little, too late.
There is talk, and then there is action. With the Bush administration, they are two totally different things.
When you look at the actions of this administration, they are clearly focused on one purpose only: to increase the wealth, and limit the liability, of the traditional energy business. Period.
The rest of the nation has been hung out to dry.
A recent survey by law firm DLA Piper showed that 54% of its top corporate clients cited energy as the top issue that the next president and Congress should focus on, because energy costs are hurting their businesses from top to bottom. Energy costs have trumped the credit crisis, the recession, and foreign competition as their primary threat.
But you wouldn't know it from listening to Bush.
While oil and gasoline prices have hit record high after record high, and the dollar has posted record low after record low, Bush has said next to nothing, other than that he "understands" that America is hurting.
I have no doubt of that, just as I have no doubt that things are going exactly the way he wants them to. He has successfully pushed the difficult choices that this nation has to face onto the next administration, and delayed the growth of renewable energy, while thickly lining the pockets of his friends in the energy business.
Thanks for nothing, Dubya. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Until next time,
Chris
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There are two stations in my home area that are offering a discount for cash at the pump.
Today: $3.699 for cash, $3.749 for credit or debit card.
I work 35 miles from home. Home is rural, farm community, middle income. Work is in a very high rent district with Jaguars, BMW's and Mercedes everywhere. The price of gas (in the same county, and the same gas companies) at work is $3.899. The gas is being pumped out of the same tanker...from the same substation. ::)
They call that "zone pricing". At one time Rochester was the home of Kodak, Xerox, Bausch & Lomb and a host of successful manufacturing plants. There were many high paying jobs, so the oil companies hit this area with that "zone pricing" scam. The economic climate here has changed considerably but we are still subjected to zone pricing. Get 40 miles away from the city and gas falls 10-20¢ a gallon.
3.99$for reg. and 4.89 for diesel today in warnerville NY
Stonebroke
3.68 3 days ago 3.88 today in S. GA for regular. It has nothing to do with the holiday, I'm sure. Really, I'm sure it doesn't.
$4.19 for regular unlead!
Quote from: GF on July 08, 2005, 08:30:01 AM
Just curious what gas prices are in different areas across the U.S.
This morning in Okla its went from 203.9 to 219.9 in one day.
Diesel is 235.9
Seems like a bargain now. Amazing!
From $4.10 yesterday ta $4.35 this morning fur da regular unleaded stuff.
we are at 3.99/gal of regular87 octane & as of 6pm tonight and fuel is 4.79/gallon :o >:(
what is bad is there was 3 ethanol plants in the works last year in near by areas but were scrapped due to high cost of beans/corn and the local governments denying permits!?!? the local RICH county/city planers thought it might smell in their rich side of town...
as far as refineries they have been updated but like others said EPA/High costs are reason to NOT build as well as fact that more refining ability means cheaper fuel costs to ave guy and less profits for big oil execs.
mark
Heading to the family camp for the weekend. 300 mile round trip. We typically we head to Newport Vermont to visit my sister. This year we went up over the Easter Weekend. Is going to be a bueatyful weekend here in PA so I don't have a problem spending the 45.00 to get us there and home.
Well it finally happened. The outfit I was driving for went belly up. Jevic transportation out of Delanco, NJ closed their doors this last Monday 4/19. 1500 employees all together. Sited rising fuel cost. I suspect that might have been a factor, but not the only factor.
Sorry to hear that Paw, Jevic was one of the trucking firms we used to transport from the east. I hope you find new employment soon.
Sorry to hear about that PawNature. I quess Yellow Freight strikes again. I think you know what I mean.
Good Luck my friend.
Quote from: SPIKER on May 22, 2008, 09:38:48 PM
we are at 3.99/gal of regular87 octane & as of 6pm tonight and fuel is 4.79/gallon :o >:(
what is bad is there was 3 ethanol plants in the works last year in near by areas but were scrapped due to high cost of beans/corn and the local governments denying permits!?!? the local RICH county/city planers thought it might smell in their rich side of town...
as far as refineries they have been updated but like others said EPA/High costs are reason to NOT build as well as fact that more refining ability means cheaper fuel costs to ave guy and less profits for big oil execs.
mark
You'd be interrested to know that "big oil" profits came mostly from selling diesel in foreign countries. There's no low sulfer requirements except in the US so the refining costs are alot less. Oil companies make 1 cent per gallon on gasoline and 3 cents on diesel. In foreign countries they make 20 and 25 cents profit. If Congress would allow drilling in ANWAR and off shore (where China is drilling away), then we might have a chance to increase supply. More supply means cheaper prices, economics 101.
These concerns that if the LEFT, environmentalists, Congress, Hoot Owl Compadres, etc. would 'allow' drilling in more places in the US, are a bit off center, in my opinion.
From what I know of it, if the major oil concerns wanted that oil, they would have it.
I'm driving my truck home this weekend so i can burn up all this $4 gas to get the the $5 dollar stuff...... ::)
It's all going to come to a screeching halt if this keeps up.
I just thought of something. There are folks alive, not many, that can remember when there werent no cars. Steam engine trains, boats, and wagons were means of transport. Now that werent all that long ago in the sceme of things. Now look at us as a society. Completely helpless. I aint sure how bad things are gonna get, I am certain that they will get real rough but remember that not too long ago folks lived long happy lives without all the niceties that we have now. Lots of folks will have it worse than others due to lack of adaptability. The words to a Hank jr song comes to mind. I feel for our big city neighbors in a big way.
Diesel $5/gal today.
Quote from: tcsmpsi on May 23, 2008, 12:57:13 PM
These concerns that if the LEFT, environmentalists, Congress, Hoot Owl Compadres, etc. would 'allow' drilling in more places in the US, are a bit off center, in my opinion.
From what I know of it, if the major oil concerns wanted that oil, they would have it.
I suggest that you try to build a crude oil pipeine or obtain a drilling permit from the BLM. I do this for a living.
If the major oil concerns wanted it, they would have it. The lobbying power and control would far outweigh other thoughts and concerns.
Today, with fuel the way it is, even the large part of the populace would be for the drilling.
Keeping government and/or Hoot Owl Worshipers as the 'bad guy' keeps pressure off the oil companies to drill and set up refining and delivery from pools that are not going to ultimately be profitable.
However, as retail fuel becomes stabilized at a significantly higher price, the possibility of profit may reach a level that these options will be pursued. If so, 'government' will conveniently 'part the sea'.
Of course, that's just mine and a few other's analysis and not meant to interrupt the status quo or taint the popular belief.
Deisel - $4.59 Gallon yesterday. Unleaded - $3.69 - $3.89 and climbing.
LOGDOG
Reg 4.09$
Stonebroke
I bought off road today for 3.59 a gallon.
$3.999 yesterday for 87 and 4.799 for diesel. I sould have invested in oil stock back when I had some cash. I did buy off road diesel on may 3 @ $3.93 and filled my tank. Now I can't afford the needed armed guard to guard the tank.
Road Diesel $4.99 :o heading to Jersey thsi coming week, #$%^ am I going to be paying out the backside. I am not looking forward to fueling up. >:(
Ironwood
Road diesel $4.99 today Off-Road $4.35 Unleaded Regular $3.85
.
I watched the Senate hearings this week against the big oil companies. These Senators are a joke. They blame everyone for high prices but themselves. These EDITED say they won't approve drilling that we should use alternatives to oil. WHAT ALTERNATIVES??! They preach to the people that we should get away from foreign oil. How can you get off foreign oil when you won't drill domesticly. I blame stupid, lazy politicians who are bought and paid for by environmental groups. I say drill and get off foreign oil. Give attractive tax credits for those that buy hybrids and fuel efficient vehicles. Have Congress pass laws that oversee these greedy traders that push crude prices up due to speculation. If we become oil independent from middle east, then if a conflict occurs over there it would'nt affect crude prices. Build at least one or two new refineries here also. These politicians are'nt feeling this like we are. Their cars and fuel are paid by tax payers to get to and from work. They are so out of touch with reality. Did you all know Chelsea Clinton is a hedgefund manager that is making millions off high crude prices. Did you you all know Sen. Barbara Boxer was an oil trader before she became a Senator? She made millions on oil. Do you know she still owns large amounts of stock in oil? There are many of our politicians who own stock in big oil and are scoring big right now. We have too many hipocrits in Congress and they are playing us like a $3.00 fiddle. Check out your local congress and senators records. It's easy, just Google it. Vote these clowns out or put pressure on them with phone calls. This economy will never flourish without affordable oil. That's the bottom line. God help us if we get another Katrina. Prices will be skies the limit. That's all I have to say about this.
Where the people fear or rely on the government you have tyranny; where the government fears the people, you have liberty.
One problem with drilling domestically is that the wells will be owned by major oil companies, Major oil companies sell in a global market, due to greed they will not cut profits to sell domestically cheaper. Did that make any sense? Now if the gov't stepped in and said that they had to sell to us at a cut rate, well then the oil co's cap their wells and continue to sell their overseas oil @ world market value. If we were the only player in this game our demand would control the price speculation be hanged but other nations are controling the supply demand balance. And if demand goes down globally well good ole oil producers can always cut production to below demand and up the price to make up for profits.Produce less oil, use fewer resources, save on manpower requirements, sell oil produced for record profits......Sounds like a winner. I would say that it is safe to say that we are properly screwed on oil prices.
Heard a new word today - "Staycation" (vs. "Vacation")
Let's say we do up our production of homedrilled crude, how will that effect anything other than the short term market? Can we really depend on oil as being the energy source of the future? I'm not in the camp that thinks that short term solutions will yield to long term relief.
What role should government play? A lot of people are looking for the government to give them relief at the pump. We could open up the rest of the US to commercial drilling. We are producing about 40% of our needs. Is there that much untapped potential to give us long term relief?
We could remove all road taxes. That takes away needed money for highway repair. If it doesn't come from fuel taxes, they'll have to take it from someplace else. Running deficits haven't proven to be a good deal.
Governments role should be to strengthen the dollar. That's going to hurt, but that is the only role government should play. A stronger dollar will lower the price of crude. We have lost 1/3 of our buying power due to a devaluation of the dollar. That's the tax that wasn't paid in the past to balance the budget and the cost of borrowing.
Personally, I don't think the future of our energy is in oil or other fossil fuels. Its part of the puzzle, but not all of it. It would be better to give incentives to other sources of renewable energy, if any incentives should be given.
The government stayed away from the credit bubble, the internet bubble, and many other market bubbles that have formed. It would be really a smart idea to stay away from the oil bubble. Speculation provides market liquidity. They make money on the run up, and take a bath when the bubble bursts.
I just got back from a weekend trip to NH. Traffic was the lightest i can ever remember it being on a holiday weekend.
Diesel prices:
Filled the tank in NJ: $4.55
Connecticut: $4.79
Mass: $4.89
NH: $4.69-$4.89, found a Hess station outside Concord NH where I filled up at $4.59. A sign on the pump read: "Due to increased diesel drive-offs, you must pre-pay in cash, or leave a credit card or drivers license with the cashier before filling." Sad...
On the plus side, I think I got decent fuel economy - at least 19 mpg - on the drive up. Full pressure in the tires, and kept the RPM's to 1900 max (68 mph).
Regular gas ..... $3.85 for the cheap stuff!!! This is a killer. Supposed to go on vacation in 2 weeks ...... May have to do the "Staycation" as mentioned above.
Id take all the 3.85 gas I could get. 3.96 today in Unadilla and tuesday is .03 off day. was 4.16 above Oneonta yesterday
Across the road this morning, regular was $3.79 and diesel was $4.68.
One thing's for certain, can't go far on a dollar's worth any more.
The "cheap" station in town was up to $4.79 for diesel this morning. That means it went up an average of $0.06 per day over the weekend. I'm gonna graph my fuel log since January and see if I can come up with a per-day increase average...
I saw diesel as high as $4.93 this morning. If this keeps up it will be cheaper for me to stay home than go to work!!!
Quote from: Lurcherman on May 27, 2008, 11:26:15 AM
I saw diesel as high as $4.93 this morning. If this keeps up it will be cheaper for me to stay home than go to work!!!
You can go to work and go broke or stay home and go broke, either way you go broke.
My brother had a good observation this weekend. Gas prices are not nearly high enough. There are still people traveling up and down the road for pleasure and the big, gas hogs are not parked yet. Far too many big farm trucks and luxury SUVs on the road for pleasure trips.
Before everyone here who drives the big farm trucks attacks me, I can understand the need to drive them for business, but not the trip to Wal-Mart and such.
Unleaded spiked up to $3.99 here last week, now it has backed off slightly to $3.92 or so.
Here is SW Ohio,
Greg
If prices stay this high (or higher, God forbid) into the winter, there will be a lot of hurtin' folks up here in Alaska. I've heard rumors of $6 or $7 a gallon for heating oil. If it comes to that, I'm shutting down my boiler and we'll survive. We were burning right at 200 gallons of heating oil per month, during the real cold months (that was just to heat the crawlspace and the shop). At $7/gallon, that'd be around $1,400/month. No way I can afford that.
*sigh* Might be time to pull the water softener back into the house and throw an old barrel stove in the shop.
I went to the library this morning to download AVG 8.0 (46 MB--4 hours on my dial-up. It took 6 minutes there.)
On the way home I stopped at the (only) local ethanol station and checked on the price of E85. It is $3.82/gal.
I noticed a guy filling up his Chrysler Sebring FlexFuel car. I went over and talked to him. I noticed that it had US Government plates on it.
"Are you required to use this?"
"Yep, word came down that if we have close access to E85 we must use it."
He seemed as excited about using E85 as I am. :(
I went to www.fueleconomy.gov (http://www.fueleconomy.gov) and found that the Sebring gets (city) 19 mpg on gas and 13 mpg on E85. If my math is correct, using E85 at $3.82 is equal to paying $5.61 for gas.
Unleaded regular gas is $3.62 at AAFES on Hill AFB or $3.72 at Maverik.
Our highly efficient green government at work.
(Is there a need anymore to say unlead when you say regular? :D )
DougInUtah,
Sounds like typical politics, sounds good but costs more money.
Doug
How much does it cost to get a pair of lungs fixed? ethanol really burns clean compared to reg. gas. I see in the chain saw thread they still like leaded gas. ::)
Car co. are calling alternater, generaters-- so maybe some day reg. gas is E-85, we can jump over unlead. 8)
sharp E
There is already talk that in our lifetime (for most of us anyway) Maine will become unaffordable as a year 'round place for the working man to live. And one of the people saying this a former Governor.
Quote from: Lurcherman on May 27, 2008, 11:26:15 AM
I saw diesel as high as $4.93 this morning. If this keeps up it will be cheaper for me to stay home than go to work!!!
I just PAID $4.93 for a tank of diesel here in PA.
Good thing it was on the company card. ;) :-\ :-\ :-\
Quote from: okie on May 25, 2008, 09:27:01 AM
One problem with drilling domestically is that the wells will be owned by major oil companies, Major oil companies sell in a global market, due to greed they will not cut profits to sell domestically cheaper. Did that make any sense? Now if the gov't stepped in and said that they had to sell to us at a cut rate, well then the oil co's cap their wells and continue to sell their overseas oil @ world market value. If we were the only player in this game our demand would control the price speculation be hanged but other nations are controling the supply demand balance. And if demand goes down globally well good ole oil producers can always cut production to below demand and up the price to make up for profits.Produce less oil, use fewer resources, save on manpower requirements, sell oil produced for record profits......Sounds like a winner. I would say that it is safe to say that we are properly screwed on oil prices.
Sorry, I can't go along with your theory. If you look at the Bakken and Barnett oil plays, in a few years, if Congress doesn't screw it up, oil prices will fall with the added supply. Not to mention the Canadian and Mexican plays, it's just like the housing market....supply and demand. Once these new oil finds come into the market along with ANWAR and off shore drillings, the market for oil products will fall. How far is another question. No different than timber or lumber products. Look at plywood prices from 10 years ago and now. How about corn and grain? As soon as the farmers start over producing, the prices will go down. That's the way life is.
Read good article on Bakken oil field. contains 500 billion barrels of light sweet crude. Biggest find ever. Way bigger than Saudis 150 Billion barrel field. Based on USG report , we can be off Saudi oil now!! What in the hell is going on. They are now able to tap into this. All the government has to do is give go ahead. Just the announcement alone would cause crude prices to tumble and the Saudis to get real nervous. Something real strange going on here.
What's happening to diesel prices? Check out this article from February of this year.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/oilRpt/idUKN1151397820080211
::)
Quote from: pappy19 on May 27, 2008, 11:08:34 PM
Once these new oil finds come into the market along with ANWAR and off shore drillings, the market for oil products will fall. How far is another question. No different than timber or lumber products. Look at plywood prices from 10 years ago and now. How about corn and grain? As soon as the farmers start over producing, the prices will go down. That's the way life is.
How many players are there in the oil industry, compared to how many loggers and farmers there are? When so much power is controlled by so few people, things work a little differently.
For as long as I can remember, fuel has never lowered in price. There have been insignificant lowering of prices during significant surges, but exponentially, fuel prices have risen quite notably.
Regardless of who drills for oil, and where they drill for it, the cost of that production is higher due to the current rising pricing status of every aspect of its implementation. As such, that cost will have to be passed on to insure profit.
Quote from: Warbird on May 27, 2008, 12:59:28 PM
If prices stay this high (or higher, God forbid) into the winter, there will be a lot of hurtin' folks up here in Alaska. I've heard rumors of $6 or $7 a gallon for heating oil. If it comes to that, I'm shutting down my boiler and we'll survive. We were burning right at 200 gallons of heating oil per month, during the real cold months (that was just to heat the crawlspace and the shop). At $7/gallon, that'd be around $1,400/month. No way I can afford that.
*sigh* Might be time to pull the water softener back into the house and throw an old barrel stove in the shop.
I agree. People can always come up with a few extra $$$ here and there to put gas in the tank, or limit trips.
But when four figure heating oil bills start showing up come November, there is going to be some serious you know what hitting the fan. Particularly in areas like the northeast who are very reliant on #2 heating oil. Also, we seem to be overdue due for a protracted winter/cold snap. I seem to recall last winter was very mild in the NE.
My house in Ohio has a forced air, oil furnace. When I first bought the place, we probably heated 90% with oil, 10% wood. Next winter it will probably end up being 20/80 oil to wood. Of course, I have the heating equipment, resources and tools to burn and supply most if not all of our firewood.
Many don't, and thats what concerns me.
Greg
I'm waiting for the day when wood burning will be illegal due to emissions. I'll bet the environmental extremist have guys like me on their radar. I predict a whole new set of regulations for that in near future. >:( >:(
I paid $4.95 for diesel this morning. It seemed like I was getting a bargain when I bought some high-test gas for the chainsaw for $4.09 :-\ Can't wait to get my motorcycle to run back and forth to work.
Toolman, a few municipalities 'round here have already banned any new outdoor boiler installations. Better not tell me I can't heat with my woodstove. Other source of heat in the house is electric baseboards (I don't use them), and our electricity is supposed to jump up 63% in a year or so :(
Quote from: Toolman on May 28, 2008, 01:36:43 PM
I'm waiting for the day when wood burning will be illegal due to emissions. I'll bet the environmental extremist have guys like me on their radar. I predict a whole new set of regulations for that in near future. >:( >:(
When they try passing them wood burning regs, be sure to tell them to compare wood burning to oil burning. With my wood stove, I burn wood waaaay cleaner than my boiler burns oil.
I paid close to $4000 this winter on heating oil. I'm going to install a coal stove this summer... If I install a wood burning stove, my homeowner's insurance goes up. But, not with coal.
We made a trip down to Portland, OR this past long weekend... about four hours each way. Diesel was $4.70 at the cheapest place out here, $4.89 in Seattle, and $4.99 in a few places on the highway and in Portland.
I thought we did OK, we averaged 19.9 mpg in a Dodge Cummins pickup, with six people in the rig and a bed full of tools and luggage and such, and three ladders on the ladder rack. Regardless, it still cost us $130 to fill up.
The trip made me think about the price of oil at $130+ a barrel, and how oil is valued in US dollars... so I wondered since the dollar is getting so weak, what would oil be if it was priced in Euros or some other currency? I had heard that in Europe people are not panicking, their gas prices are not spiking... so, I looked it up and found these:
Oil Would Be $65 if the Dollar Had Stayed Strong - AGI (http://seekingalpha.com/article/72651-oil-would-be-65-if-the-dollar-had-stayed-strong-agi?source=yahoo)
Oil and the Dollar - WSJ article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119941453085566759.html?mod=opinion_main_review_and_outlooks&apl=y&r=150548)
Weak Dollar Central to Oil Price Boom (http://www.cnbc.com/id/20988001/)
-N.
Excellent point on the dollar.
Ron Paul, where are you now ???
Greg
I do not agree with the emphasis in the articles that the decline of the dollar is primarily responsible for the rise in oil prices. For whatever reasons, those articles are slanted in the wrong direction, ie to blame the dollar for the high oil prices.
I have been hearing all along that experts say that over 40 percent of the price of crude is due to the enormous amount of large speculators in the crude oil markets. And today the CFTC has taken the unprecedented step of disclosing they have a six month old and ongoing investigation into price manipulation in the crude oil markets. Here you can read the entire announcement of increased scrutiny of the crude oil markets: http://www.cftc.gov/newsroom/generalpressreleases/2008/pr5503-08.html (http://www.cftc.gov/newsroom/generalpressreleases/2008/pr5503-08.html)
This is the part about the investigation:
III. Continuation of Ongoing CFTC Nationwide Crude Oil Investigation
In December of 2007, the agency's Division of Enforcement launched a nationwide crude oil investigation into practices surrounding the purchase, transportation, storage, and trading of crude oil and related derivative contracts. Although the Commission ordinarily conducts enforcement investigations on a confidential basis, the Commission is taking the extraordinary step of disclosing this investigation because of today's unprecedented market conditions. The specifics of the ongoing investigation remain confidential. All Commission enforcement inquiries are focused on ensuring that the markets are properly policed for manipulation and abusive practices.
The Acting Chairman and the Commissioners commented:
"In addition to the CFTC's ongoing examination of the role of fundamental economic forces and new investors in the recent commodity market price increases, the agency continues to pursue one of its primary missions – to deter, detect, and punish futures market manipulation.
I believe it would be more accurate to say the decline of the dollar is the RESULT of higher prices of energy and the enormous amounts of crude oil that we buy to support our energy consumption habits. :)
Thanks for sharing that Gary. At least that gives us a little assurance that somebodys doing something. Just checked NYMEX and saw oil down to $126.00 barrel. At this point I would be a little happy at $95.
It's cheaper now to use electric heat than any petroleum heat. Natural gas is higher here than in the US because we are paying for the infrastructure to export it. ::) >:( They can come up with any scheme and get away with it.
It would cost me as much to fill a 900 litre oil barrel as it costs for my whole stockpile of seasoned furnace wood. 7.5 cords
New homes being built are not even considering oil as an option.
If you put a chart of the Euro against the chart with oil, you will find they pretty much run together. As the Euro got stronger against the dollar, the price of oil went up. That has nothing to do with speculation.
The dollar gained strength today, and crude dropped $4. For some reason, I'm seeing a correaltion there.
I guess you can find an expert that will agree with any position you want to take. I haven't heard of any that have blamed the run up to speculators. The ones I heard said that it has a minor effect. Maybe we have to swap experts. ;)
Quote from: Ron Wenrich on May 29, 2008, 05:58:53 PM
If you put a chart of the Euro against the chart with oil, you will find they pretty much run together. As the Euro got stronger against the dollar, the price of oil went up. That has nothing to do with speculation.
Ron, that's a "leap of logic" that I do not care to take. Just because they "run together" does not say the two are related.
For some time now, the commodity experts that I see, specifically the CBOT analysists for farm commodities have been saying we are seeing strong speculative interests, including large institutional fund buyers, pension fund managers, and other large investors that have turned to the commodities markets since the stock market has been stagnant and the real estate market is dismal. They liken this to the dot com bubble, the Enron bubble, and other stock market run ups in recent memory. And these analysists see on a daily basis the contracts, both long and short that large investors are holding. And they have been saying for some time that over 40 percent of all commodity values are due to these large speculative interests.
There have always been suspicions about the oil market being somewhat rigged by oil companies and the governments that are heavily involved in oil production. Just imagine the enormous profits that could be made by the Iranians if they one day took some of their oil profits and bought long futures contracts in the oil market and then the next day the president of Iran announced they were curtailing crude oil deliveries. I do not doubt that similiar senarios have occured at some time in the past. Unfortunately, there is probably little that can be done to stop those types of things from happening other than stop being so dependent on imported oil.
Quote from: Gary_C on May 29, 2008, 07:29:22 PMUnfortunately, there is probably little that can be done to stop those types of things from happening other than stop being so dependent on imported oil.
Amen!
-N.
Update, in a rush to get to a client's house last night in NY, I left NJ w/ out filling up (fuel is cheaper there NJ), so on I-95 south I go for Long Island, stop at the ONE diesel station I could find at 12 midnight, ..................$5.75 a gallon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. >:( >:(. Two bridge tolls $21 each way (Throng Neck), nice veiw of the city at night, but NOT worth $21. Man was I glad to get OUT of the City.......
Here is a short quiz....
While researching for a post in another topic (about the government requiring the use of E85) I came upon a term I had never seen or heard of before.
Without using Google :D , can anyone here tell me what gas 370 is?
(Even if you do use Google, it isn't easy.)
I think I know, now, but I'm not positive. ???
Quote from: Ironwood on May 29, 2008, 10:14:22 PM..................$5.75 a gallon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. >:( >:(.
HOLY CRAPPOLA!
-Norm.
It's over $6 an imperial gallon (4.54 litres) here. About $5.25 a US gallon (3.8 litres). I think it went up $0.04 a litre yesterday.
It's very expensive in the Arctic in those communities. They have been discussing alternative energy sources for electricity. One idea is to use small nuclear reactors like on subs to provide electricity for 7000 homes in small communities. Kind of overkill for our northern communities unless you look at all the small villages scattered all over. Would have to look at running transmission lines all over I suppose. Canada's northern territories are huge tracks of land as anyone knows and very sparsely populated. The Russians are collaborating in talks about it. They have some rather large cities in the north compared to here.
They have plans to build a second reactor here, thus the interest in Uranium exploration. But we don't need it here. We have way more Gigawatts than we consume, unless the plan is to eliminate oil. But, I can't see that happening since Irving would go into convulsions, being the largest oil refinery in the country, getting ready to more than double production with a second refinery. During peek water flows here we don't use much oil, we have free flowing water.
I give up. what is gas 370.
Stonebroke
Is gas 370 a by product of coal ?
I don't know about the 370, but there is a field of study in coal gasification, or should I say oil "shale" fluid extrication that a friend's father was involved in many years ago. I do know it is very expensive and involved to produce, but give the current cost of petroleum, it may become feasible.
i will be curious to see what hte 370 is.
Ironwood
Pennsylvania is now building the nations first waste coal to diesel facility about 60 miles north of Harrisburg along I-81. I saw it this past weekend coming back from New York. There are millions of tons of waste coal piles in those coal regions. They basicly cook the oil out the waste coal.
The analysts are saying the price is about to decline back to $100 a barrel soon.
Funny, isn't it. It was just the other day that it was a shock to the world that oil had reached $100 a barrel.
Quote from: DouginUtah on May 29, 2008, 11:41:36 PM
Without using Google :D , can anyone here tell me what gas 370 is?
(Even if you do use Google, it isn't easy.)
As far as I could figure it out, I think littleBark has the answer. It is the fuel (gas) produced from coal. Presumably named after the legislation (HB 370??) which supports it. Only certain flexfuel cars are listed to use it--Chrysler Sebring being one. Apparently, they don't get "regular gas" from coal.
My question now is has anyone ever seen a gas pump with this fuel?
I had a VERY old forge here that was operated on "manufactured gas", which from my inquiries in the blacksmith community seems to have been made by "coal gasification" process. Kind of funny thing are cycling back around aye?
Ironwood
Paid $4.65/ gallon for diesel today. ::)
LOGDOG
Man we need to incorporate this tread in the jokes and internet fun stuff. Cause the fuel price now days are a joke. BUT not the funny kind!!!
4.11$ for reg. and 4.99$ for diesel in warnerville NY
Stonebroke
Folks, out of interest from a British perspective, what's the difference in price between your road and off-road diesel? ???
Currently, our off-road is half that of road diesel and 7 year ago off-road was a 1/16th of road
A couple of weeks ago, off road diesel was $4.15 and road diesel was $4.30. Not that much of a difference here.
Thanks Radar. "Translating" $4.15 to UK speak, we are only paying marginally more for our off road diesel. Shame about our road diesel though. ::)
Diesel was $5.15 Friday, and I heard it was over $6 today ::) I should have bought more on Friday. ::) California has proved that the price at the pumps has nothing to do with foreign oil. California oil is supplied by California, Alaska and Mexico, and 100% of California Gasoline is refined here. Why is it so expensive, cause we keep filling up. ???
Y'all keep crying about Gas prices. This is what happens in Malaysia.
QuoteYesterday, our government has increased the fuel price to 40%. Even if I gain 15% from the mods, I still have to pay 25% more than current price.
What he is actually saying, is, 40% increase. ::) ::)
I'm heading up on vacation to the Keweenaw Peninsula in the U.P. sometime this month, which I try to do every year. The cost of gas for the trip this year compared to last year will literally be over twice as much. Amazing when you think back on the price of our gas a month ago, let alone a year ago. ::)
I paid $4.15 a gallon for unleaded in west Michigan a couple of days ago.
The Hess station in town dropped down to $4.69 for a couple of days last week, I think it's back up to $4.73 now. Several hot 95+ degree days in a row, and I'm still waiting for the summer crash of diesel prices due to the drop in demand for home heating oil. Something tells me the summer price drop might not happen this year. :'(
Lurcherman, I think you'll see that crash in diesel prices superimposed on the steady rise in petro prices. Case in point, in the past two weeks, the price of gasoline in Northport, Wa. rose 60 cents, while the price of diesel rose only 3 cents.
You all don't have it too bad yet. :-\ (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/11780/optimized_photo_gas_pump.jpg) I took this picture on Beaver Island last Sunday the price per gallon is $5.49
It hit $1.50/L ($5.80/U.S. gal) here on the weekend and we got socked with an extra 2.5 cent tax at the pump effective today. Grrr. >:(
In Shippensburg PA last Sat. Gas was 3.89$ and diesel was 4.75$
Stonebroke
Diesel is holding steady in western NJ at $4.69 for almost two weeks now.
Diesel locally = $4.69 ....... was on the road last weekend and I seen it from $4.61 up to $4.89.
It changes almost daily, and upward.
The state of Maine has a annual tax hike of $.08/gal every year on the first of July. I wonder who gets the extra penny, as gas prices is set to the 9/10ths of a dollar? Not that it's that much, a penny. Tim B.
Today here gasoline is $ 9,30/gal and Diesel is pretty the same price :-X
DoubleD,
Thanks for the perspective!
Ironwood
DoubleD, as you live across the ocean, do you have the small auto in your part of the world and are the gas or diesel versions preferred? And what is your opinions on them? Tim B.
I own an Opel Corsa bought new in 2000, it has a gas engine 1.0 L with 55 hp. It is a very good engine, I could get 41 mpg, but I live in mountain zone so I get a lower mileage around 36 mpg. Yes it is a small car not very powerful but I don't mind because i could still afford to use it even if it cost over 70$ to fill the gas tank. I am 69 inches tall and I weight 231 pound and I feel comfortable to get in an out of the car and I could take other 4 people with me and still have a boot for two travelling bag. It has air conditioner too 8) 8) 8)
Cars with small engines gas or Diesel are very diffuse and they are good. Diesel cars are very diffuse here especially engine with a capacity of 2.0 l turbo and non turbo all Common rail, engines with a bigger capacity are very rare ::)
I hope to have answered your questions but if you have more I will give it a try
Davide ;D
Regular was 3.90 when I left the house today to move the mill to my next job, when I got back four hours later it had jumped to 4.15.
Regular was $3.999 at the Pilot outside Tallahassee tonight.
we have been at 4.21 for a month in Wartnerville,NY.
Stonebroke
I paid 4.10 yesterday in Unadilla but Tuesdays are three cents off.
Stumbled across this ancient gas price in a thread where Jeff and Big Dave was discussing Dave's fancy underwear. ;D
Just thought I would remind y'all gas used to be under $2.00 not too long ago.
Quote from: Tom on February 15, 2003, 05:29:55 PM
We're at $2.00 a gallon in some places in town but most are in the $1.65 to $1.75 a gallon. I gave $1.799 for diesel Wednesday, best I could find. I think I'll park the truck. :-/
I paid less than $2.00 a gallon as recently as 2005. Today I paid more than $4.00 a gallon for the first time ever: $4.059 :-[
I'm across the border in Vancouver, BC and gas is $1.59 CDN per liter... which is $5.96 US per US gallon!!
(and the economy still seems to be going gangbusters here... people say it must be the 2010 Olympics keeping it going)
-Norm.
Tell me about it. ::) I just spent $96.00 filling the Ranger. GRRR >:(
Sawguy,
I waited until I got down to Blaine, WA and filled for $4.99, but it still cost me $130...
-Norm.
Max selling price for self serve regular unleaded is $1.411/10/litre here, $5.45 US gallon, $6.40 Imp gallon
Murphy Oil at WalMart in Fulton, MS is $3.849 for Regular and $4.529 for diesel with 3 cent off discount card. This is up 2 cents since last Sunday. I put $160.50 in my dually last week. I bought some off-road diesel last week for $4.169 at a small independent station.
Price per gallon of diesel is holding steady at $2.17 at my favorite self service station :D
Predictions are the price will drop a bit as the proprietor perfects a methanol recovery process. 8)
:D
8)
Nice going there Mr. OneWithDiesel ;D
1,43.9 $ / liter in Montréal Sunday evening .
Minot, ND $4.099 & holding fairly steady.
Diesel prices are falling off a little here in NJ, from a high of $4.79, now down to $4.71.
1.404/10/litre $5.42 US gallon.
Holding steady at 3.99 a gallon for a little over a week now.
4.23$ in warnerville NY up two cents
Stonebroke
$3.95 gallon for regular gasoline here in our little town. Diesel I believe is $4.70 a gallon. Adam
$3.79 at one station, 5 blocks away $3.89 Whats up !!!!!!!
Oil is down $20/barrel since last week. I saw one station that went from $3.99 to $3.94 this evening. The locals only dropped 3¢.
Only dropped a cent a litre here, I suspect a big drop by this coming Thursday if oil continues to slide. Our prices are determined by trading in NY per week and set by our public utilities board. Changes take effect Wednesday midnight.
$ 4.07 a gallon here for regular. three days ago it was $4.17
Just our luck, We have been stable for a month(4.21) everybody else goes down and we go up(4.23)
Stonebroke
There is no real cause to worry about the price of gasoline. It is merely a training exercise by those who sell the stuff. You find the same techniques used by those who train dogs, horses and other animals. They are deprived and then rewarded in incremental lessons until the expectations change. They become elated over any offering that is a little better than the previous one and become numbed to the elevated aggravations of those that are stretching the envelope. Soon the steak that the dog had become used to disappears and the dog is happy with a small piece of chicken, becoming exuberant with a handful of dry cereal dog food if the quantity is more. These cycles allow the animal to be dragged around by the nose, following without much argument and even being happy over diminished offerings, the same as the masses of humans are trained to accept rising prices if the company's want more profit.
It really works too. You can see the positive results when the customer says, "the price is only $3.99 a gallon today if you don't count the 9/10 of a cent that is Painted onto the sign.
Ahhhh....a breath of fresh air.
Thanks, Tom. ;)
I see Congress is thinking about adding on 6¢ more for highway tax. I hope they do it before the November election.
That would take some moral fortitude and backbone. Not likely ::)
Tom, you have hit a homerun again. The price of oil, and therfore gasoline and other fuels, has been pushed to the point the consumer actually started to change behavior. Now that the break point has been established we can look for prices to hover around $3.75 - $3.90 per gallon regardless of what the price af a barrel may fall to. Of course if the price per barrel should recover and continue the upward trajectory the price of fuel will climb again. What joy! :-\
If by some miracle the American consumer would change their energy guzzling habits the above scenario could change...
I heard that the feds, since fuel consumption has dropped, are looking at an increase in the fuel tax to compensate in order to maintain roadways.
With most industry, in one manner or another, dependent on day to day use of current fuel, with tighter and tighter margins, the likelihood of any positive change is little more than a fleeting whim.
Quote from: OneWithWood on July 14, 2008, 08:33:05 AMPrice per gallon of diesel is holding steady at $2.17 at my favorite self service station :D
Predictions are the price will drop a bit as the proprietor perfects a methanol recovery process. 8)
OWW, you're doing better than me... we have a little co-op here, I buy offroad B99 in bulk... I had bought some at the beginning of June, and it was $4.19 a gallon (after WA state sales tax)... four and a half weeks later, I bought some more, and it was $5.19 a gallon!
I keep thinking I don't have time to make biodiesel, but at these prices, I'm thinking I could make time...
-Norm.
Since the 9/10 of a cent painted on the sign doesn't mean anything (We don't pay attention to it, someone reciting the price of gas tells you the per gallon price and doesn't round up), perhaps the Government should take that marketing strategy and paint the road taxes on the sign. It would do two things, It would cause the per gallon price to drop drastically, enabling the gasoline companies the opportunity to gather more profits with increased prices without the public becoming alarmed, and it would hide the road taxes so that the public would think they weren't being pig-stuck by their very own government. In the end the results would remain the same, but everybody would be happy, just skipping along through the tulips, whistling and staring into the sky like the simpletons that the oil people and government think they are. There would be strains of Tiny Tim's falsetto and mandolin on every street corner, and promises of a chicken in every pot, or pot in every chicken, or.....whatever it takes. :P :D
That is what the government does not want ,Tom . There is a law stating that gas pricing will include the tax . The gov does not want you and the other consumers to know at a glance what they are sticking you with . If there were not so many taxing bodies sticking it to the consumer I would say itemize the taxes with the total at the bottom . But then the signs would be to tall to be in compliance with the zoning and building codes.
We need roads and I like the open roars. Don't like toll roads like IL, FL, and other States do. So will gladly pay the tax. Amounts to less than car Ins. in a year. ::)
sharp E
Florida hasn't got much in the way of toll roads, Disney/aka Orlando does. It's those who are new to the State who like to impose money making schemes like they had back home. If you get off to the "real" Florida, you find that it is quite different than what the tourists see.
My point wasn't that the tax should disappear. I'm sure, as smart as our elected officials have shown themselves to be, that it is going to good use. I was suggesting that the price of gasoline (on the sign) could be halved, in some instances, if the taxes were painted on the sign along with the 9/10 that nobody pays any attention to. If that were done, Gasoline would all of a sudden go from $5.00 a gallon to $2.50 a gallon and the public would ignore the $2.50 9/10 that would be painted on the sign.
You would still pay the $4.99 9/10 at the pump that you have been trained to pay. shhhhh-h-h-h--h---h----h :)
Today price on everage in Okla is right at 3.50 a gallon, some station have 3.46 marked.
Still 3.97 here in town, 3.67 across the river in mo.
Driving home last night, I noticed the price of gas had actually dropped a few cents... first time it's done that in a while. The Chevron near my house is $4.37, $4.47, $4.57 for gas and $4.89 for diesel.
8) 8) 8) 8) Gas dropped .10 yesterday!!! $3.85 gal. now!!! 8) 8) 8) 8) I will fill up my truck today cause it may go back up tomorrow!!!
Dropped $0.386/10 cents a US gallon this week here.
4.18$ in Warnerville NY
Stonebroke
Gas in Sedalia,mo is at 3.65 today
3.54 today
$4.65/gal for diesel, down .24 in the past couple of days. I don't even look at the gas prices, but typically .60-.80 cheaper. Tim B.
Prices have been dropping... gas is $4.19, $4.29, $4.39... diesel is $4.79.
-Norm.
Gas in Mo @ $3.55 and diesel @ $4.17
Ron
$3.64 for regular this morning.
Quote from: SwampDonkey on July 25, 2008, 01:43:07 PM
Dropped $0.386/10 cents a US gallon this week here.
:D
Tom, I always round up (unless I forget). For example when I am looking at something for "$199.95", I say in my head it will cost me $220.00 to buy it. I fibure 8.25% sales tax is close enough to 10% to figure it that way. When a guy brag about a good deal on a new whatever "I only paid $15,000 for that new whatever!"
Really? What did you do, create a farm account for that bass boat?
Huh?
Well didn't you pay sales tax on that bass boat?
Oh yeah but that don't count.
Oh really. Then tell your wallet because it's under the impression it does count.
That price drop was tax included. :P
I think it went down $0.005/10 cents a litre this week, almost 2 cents a US gallon.
Quote from: GF on July 08, 2005, 08:30:01 AM
Just curious what gas prices are in different areas across the U.S.
This morning in Okla its went from 203.9 to 219.9 in one day.
Diesel is 235.9
way more than double since the original post or still ignorant...
I'm afraid the price is going to rise as our dollar seems to be slipping in value. Good for exporters, not so good for inter provincial trade.
Bringing this one back to the top... funny that it hasn't had a post in over two months... I guess we're used to almost $4 a gallon gas now??
Gas here has dropped to $3.77, but more significantly, diesel has dropped to $3.99... the first time it's been below $4.00 since about the first week of March...
-Norm.
Have not seen a recent diesel price but gas is down to $1.25/l from $1.51 earlier in the year. An analyst on tonight's news predicted under $1.00/l in a few months. Still too DanG much but a huge improvement. As a side note our airlines are removing the fuel surcharge.
Right here around the house, regular is $3.45, Down in Hattiesburg regular is $3.05 at 5 or 6 of the stations I pass coming home.
there are a few stations reported to be under $3.00/gallon, I heard 2.99 and 2.93 but local stations are at 3.14 in Mansfield mid state ohio. diesel was./is at 3.85~3.94 range cash/charge I'm about due to get my fuel for winter... :( I got a propane letter that has LP Propane at .245/gallon I believe from 2 different sources if ya signed contracts ect...
Mark
gas is 3.59 and diesel is 4.39 in warnerville NY
Stonebroke
I just filled up today in Davenport, Iowa (Shell Station at Brady and Locust). Paid $3.09 per gallon.
It is a sad state of affairs when that seems cheap.
West Palm Regular Gas 3.69.
Diesel 4.09
Lowest regular I've seen is 3.28 and diesel at 3.85.
I think it's around $3.46 in Houlton, Maine. It is usually 2 ¢ cheaper up at Mars Hill.
$1.18-1.20/litre regular self serve here.
It is unfortunate that it takes a slowing economy bring gases prices down. I got gas this morning for 3.25 a gallon.
Here In Stillwater today it was $2.92 for regular and $3.72 for diesel.
Aaron,
I bought road deisel in alva, Ok. yesterday for $3.71.
That was the best price from here to tulsa and back.
$2.93 to $3.35 for regular.
$3.26 for unleaded in Kansas but $2.95/gallon across the river in St Joe MO. Diesel in St Joe was at $3.76 this weekend.
I saw Diesel prices today across Palm Beach from 3.99 to 4.55
Lowest Regular was 3.46 point nine :D
Paid $2.85 for regular in Lebinon, MO. on Saturday. Paid $3.05 in Cabool, Mo. on Monday.
Gas was $3.09 in Fulton this morning. This afternoon it was $2.99 at Kingdon City, MO. - where HY54 crosses I70.
Same stations now have it for $2.75 for regular.
Down to $1.20/l at the pump today. Cost me $81.00 to fill the Ranger instead of $96.00 a few months ago. Diesel is still $1.34.4 though, what's up with that ???
Unofficial until Wednesday night, but they are predicting 1.09-1.12/litre at the pumps Thursday morning.
I paid $3.449 in Unadilla yesterday. I sure hope we catch up with some of you other guys soon.
saw 2.92 yesterday
We are down to $2.88 here in Stillwater. We seem to drop about $.04 a day.
If it keeps this pace we will be less then $2.00 a gallon in a month. :D :D :D
I wouldn't mind seeing $0.43/litre again. ::)
Ever since Katrina, the price seems to be influenced by those storms more than ever. Never moved the price much before and besides that the world over is producing as one or two platforms are damaged someplace else. So prices need not jump like they have the last 3 years. Ridiculous! Storms haven't interrupted the flow anywhere in Canada for 25 + years that I ever heard of. My gas and oil doesn't come from the Gulf. If my power gets interrupted for a week, the power rate doesn't go up. ::)
Quote from: SwampDonkey on October 08, 2008, 07:25:21 PM
I wouldn't mind seeing $0.43/litre again. ::)
Ever since Katrina, the price seems to be influenced by those storms more than ever. Never moved the price much before and besides that the world over is producing as one or two platforms are damaged someplace else. So prices need not jump like they have the last 3 years. Ridiculous! Storms haven't interrupted the flow anywhere in Canada for 25 + years that I ever heard of. My gas and oil doesn't come from the Gulf. If my power gets interrupted for a week, the power rate doesn't go up. ::)
Hmmmm.... :-\
Gas hear has been $3.99, then 3.79 and just yesterday $3.59, so I filled up.. :-\
max
Some places have 2.49, thats for E10 blend, 100% is 2.69 at several stations such as Valero and Shell in town.
The boys filled a couple trucks today @ $3.63 (deisel).
Heating oil was $3.66 per gallon, delivered, today. I know because they auto-delivered.... a whole 12 gallons. ;D I bet the delivery driver had a tale to tell back at the office, about the 5 to 6 cord of split firewood he saw while he was here. 8)
We burned roughly 200 gallons per month during last winter, along with 3 - 4 cord of wood. I am making some major improvements to the boiler system efficiency and the house, so this winter should be much lower consumption.
Regular $2.93 - $3.19, Valero has all but one of their refineries on line. The one in Port Arthur, Texas, is still off line, no water in the community after Ike.
Max, just one of my rants. I know it's not the only thing influencing price.
$1.099/10 this morning.
Now the NB retailers want more from that price, and they already are the highest in the country. Try and figure that one out. ::)
3.15
3.49 here
3.41$ for regular and 4.19$ for diesel in WarnervilleNY today
Stonebroke
$3.299 yesterday. Looking for $3.00. :)
Mark
Regular $2.93
Wow, oil has dropped below $80/barrel. At the same time the Canadian currency has dropped to $0.83 US this week. Good news for exporters I suppose.
Gday
diesel is at about $1.85 L ($ 7.03 au a Us Gal ) for onroad fuel I can clam back $1.40 a gal for the sawmill loader ect each quater with my tax we dont have any dyes in our fuel as yet overhere ;) ::)
Reguards Chris
2.51 @ Wal Mart in Neosho,Mo. Sat.
2.93 at mcclures in upland, indiana.
$2.69 in MN along the MS river yesterday, and $3.19 across the river in WI today. That's mor'n a penny a mile difference per gallon as the crow flies between the two spots. ;D
Up to $3.35 a gal in central WI today. All with up to 10% ethanol.
3.33$ for regular and diesel is still 4.19$ in warnerville ny today
Stonebroke
$2.88 reg 3.68 Diesel in Sikeston, MO
Down to $3.19/ gal for regular in west central Fla.. Saw kerosene at $5.29/gal. at the same station.
Mark
2.49 a gal. ethan. blend
and diesel is 3.09
thats in antlers okla.
87 Octane Murphy's:
Yesterday $2.719
Today $2.519
A 20¢ drop in one day. That'll work.
I read on a blog a poster said "This is teaching those sheiks a lesson!"
Well that's loony. They have been teaching us lessons all the way to the bank for 30 years. It needs to drop another buck or so if you ask me.
3.19$ a gal for regular and 4.19$ for diesel
Stonebroke
Paid 3.07 for 87 octane today in NW Florida
1,089$/litre Just might see it under a buck yet .
Well, oil is under $70/barrel now and our prices are steadily falling. Now 1.059/10 per L at the pumps. Heating oil is expected to fall again next week along with all oil products.
3.15$ for reg. and 3.99 $ for diesel today in warnerville NY
Stonebroke
2.86 today
I have a question about "barrels" of oil. I saw a still picture on a news clip on TV once, they were talking about the price /barrel. It left me thinking they shipped the stuff in barrels, not large bulk containers which has always been my assumption. When we go to the filling station we buy by the gallon, it is only a means of measuring. But I do pump it in a gallon or 5 size container then transport for different uses. I am bring this up because the other day this topic came up and the person I was talking to had the other assumption, that it was transported in the actual barrel, that just doesn't seem efficient. Tim
Tim, you're right, he's wrong. ;)
Some people amaze me sometimes. Then, others leave me scratching my baldy head. ::)
i think a barrel of oil is equivelent to 40 gallons instead of the 55 gallon barrels we are used to seeing.
$3.19 for 87 Octane in Russell.
I always thought they were 45 gallons, actually I'm quite sure. Kerosene used to be bought by a 45 gallon barrel for folks with sporting camps. Grandfather bought it that way for years up until the early 70's when he retired.
Looked it up.
Oil
Measurement of Oil
What is the measuring unit for oil?
Oil is measured in "Barrels", shortened to "bbl".
One oil barrel is:
· 42 US Gallons
· 34.97 Imperial Gallons
· 159 Litres
· 0.159 cubic meters
· 0.136 metric tonnes weight (approximate – depends of the density of the oil)
Gas is 2.44 and diesel is 3.29 Talked to a friend in alabama and there gas was still above $3.00
A barrel of oil is indeed 42 gallons. At one point in time it was transported in open topped 60gallon barrels. Roads weren't so good back then and a good bit of the stuff would slosh out the top. The 42 gallons comes from the average amount left after the slosh factor.
I read that the first oil wells pumped them in to whiskey barrels, which were the only barrels that were readily available at the time. A whiskey barrel holds 40 gallons. They made them 42 gallons to make it favorable for the buyer. Something like the baker's dozen.
$2.999 for regular, and $3.689 for diesel. To be honest, I haven't looked at the price in many months. I use a certain amount of fuel every week, the price isn't going to make the trip to work shorter. I just looked yesterday, as I couldn't fit the usual $80 in the tank, thought my gauge was broken. :D
Dave
$2.699 at Costco this morning.
Bruce
Ok 42 then. As you guys say, bakers dozen. Kinda like Imperial versus US gallon to. :D
3.07$ for reg. and 3.89$ for diesel today in Warnerville NY
Stonebroke
Diesel has dropped another 11 cents this week. I get my diesel at Sam's Club since it's the cheapest around. Also, I can pay at the pump with my credit card and the pump goes to $100 before shutting off, but it allows me to re-swipe my card multiple times. Everywhere else involves having to go inside the store and leave them my card or other such shenanigans.
Anyway, diesel was $3.589 today. I only got $100 since it will still drop more this week. That put over 28 gallons in my dual 50 gallon tanks though. When I'm busy I'll use 150 gallons per month.
You can use Interac at some pumps here also. The way it works here is you swipe and punch in a limit you want to spend. If the tank is full before the limit, it doesn't matter, it just charges for what was pumped. I guess the machine must check the credit in your account against what you key in to see if you have the cash to cover it. Stops the bums with NSF accounts from trying to pull a fast one.
$2.889 yesterday when I went to work in Marion MI
$2.389 regular while diesel is at $3.65. Don't worry about the falling prices though...OPEC has called an emergency meeting to cut oil production in order to stabilize prices.
I think prices will still fall for a bit, just a gut feeling. ;D
Quote from: Larry on October 19, 2008, 08:27:39 AM
$2.389 regular while diesel is at $3.65. Don't worry about the falling prices though...OPEC has called an emergency meeting to cut oil production in order to stabilize prices.
OPEC is following the polls and figure they won't have to worry about
us the USA doing anything about drilling for our own oil. OPEC will continue to play the cat and mouse game, and they do it very well, IMO :)
Maybe they will be surprised this time. ::) ::)
OPEC is good at adhering to quotas and such when the price of oil is rising or is high. When it drops, with the exception of Saudia Arabia, they talk quotas and then pump all they can to try and keep the income up. Venezuala and Iran have gotten used to high oil prices-they are so overburdened with obligations that they cant afford to see their income drop. Unless the saudis seriously cut output, my guess is the other countries will pump all they can, and it really wont affect oil output.
Friday was $2.99 way up here in the Crown of Maine
Just filled up in Opel, VA with diesel for $3.359/gl.
Bruce
2.99 for regular in Lyndonville, Vermont on 10/19/08
$2.599 Elkton Maryland
Simon, I see from your avatar that your ready to dive right into the snow season.
Me to!! ;D 8)
2.29 for 100% gas at Valero and Shell, and 2.17 for the E10 blend this weekend.
YEEHAW!!
Sorry.... had to get that out of my system, fueled up at the local Co-op. Diesel was 3.00 dollars a gallon. I see on their website that offroad diesel is 2.60 a gallon.
I almost have stopped regretting buying another 7.3 powerstroke. Almost.
Gasoline is still $3.62 per gallon up here. :( http://www.alaskagasprices.com/index.aspx?s=Y&fuel=A&area=Fairbanks&tme_limit=72&site=Alaska&srch=0&list=0 (http://www.alaskagasprices.com/index.aspx?s=Y&fuel=A&area=Fairbanks&tme_limit=72&site=Alaska&srch=0&list=0) Considering we have 3 or 4 of our own refineries in this state, plus a lot of our own oil and gas, this sometimes makes me bitter.
Got it for 2.75/gal this am. We'll see how long it lasts, the recent increases to $4 and more just made us happy to see sub $3 gas...what a joke huh? Did you ever think that you would appreciate $2.99 gas????
I am curious as to why gas would be that high in alaska.....you would think with the raw material plus refineries right there coupled with a small population that it would be one of the cheapest places in the nation.
Until regulation, we were paying the highest in the country and beside the largest oil refinery in the nation owned by a NB family. :-X
It is all in what they decide to refine and then where the stuff is shipped. These are the major pieces in how they control the market. I really would like it if the state of Alaska just bought 1 or 2 of the refineries and then refined all of our own gasoline. We could be so efficient here... it's just plain ridiculous.
Mary came through Sedalia, MO. last Sunday and paid $2.27/gal regular. She said it was 20 cents higher in towns east and west of there. It's only down to $2.79 or there about in town.
Other oil prices are a killer too. I see chainsaw bar oil for $11/gal. Motor oil from $2.00/quart on up.
We went to an oil supply company to get some hydraulic fluid. They had just sold 40 gallons of what we needed earlier this morning at $45/5 gallon bucket. They'll get in more in two weeks. I hope the price goes down. (I only need to top off with a gallon or two.)
Bibby, I wish we had your prices here...
$3.39 for gas, $3.59 for diesel this morning, and that's the cheapest I've seen it since this Spring.
Hydraulic oil was $52 per 5 gal bucket last time I checked, but if you bring your own bucket to the local Chevron petroleum place and buy it in bulk, it's about $8 less.
-N.
Here in Stillwater got off road diesel today delivered to the field for $2.71/gal. Been a long time since I have seen a 2 instead of a 3 in the dollar column on diesel.
Regular was $2.39 at the pump.
Well, one day makes a $.10 difference...
$3.29 gas, $3.49 diesel on my way to work this morning...
-N.
Today I bought 10 gallons of kerosene at a Marathon...for $4.79 a gallon! That's $49.76! That price seems really high..I forgot to look what other stores had it for.
Mary, you should have yelled when you came through Sedalia and I would have bought dinner. Yup! gas here is $2.25-$2.32 depending on name brand or discount station
Dropped again this week to 1.038/10/Litre
Heating oil 0.9988/100/Litre
297.9¢ for 87 octane here in Russell.
I feel like my mill gas tank is shrinking now, I can't get $20.00 worth in it anymore. ;D 8) 8) ;D
I heard 87 octane is $2.02 today in Marshall, TX - 45 minutes west of me. I paid $3.39 for diesel here a few days ago.
LOGDOG
Use this web site to find out what gas is, most anywhere in the U.S.!
http://www.gasbuddy.com/
2.99$ for reg. and 3.89$ for diesel in warnerville yesterday. Heating oil is 2.80$
Stonebroke
Just came from Sikeston, and saw gas at 2.359/gal
1.019 in Mansonville Qc ...........
Swampdonkey . my daughter told me its under a buck in Ottawa ...
Had to go up to Donalsonville Ga today, but the tank was empty. Filled up in Sneads Fl for 2.749. Got to D'ville, and found it for 2.299, with a DanG full tank! >:( Road diesel was 3.099 and I didn't even have a can with me.
Quote from: isawlogs on October 25, 2008, 09:08:00 PM
1.019 in Mansonville Qc ...........
Swampdonkey . my daughter told me its under a buck in Ottawa ...
So isn't our Canadian dollar, dropping with the oil price. ::)
I expect the gas will drop a little more yet. It all depends on what those OPEC dudes do. :-X
2.91$ for reg and 3.79$ for diesel in warnerville NY
Stonebroke
yesterday it was as low as $1.93 in Dallas and they said on the radio station I listen to they were expecting it to get down even lower.
95.5 in hamilton on
Gas is $2.12 here in mid missouri today.
$1.99 north of Cinn. , Oh.
289.9¢ for 87 octane here in Russell.
There are some places close by where the price is in the $270's.
Saw regular for $2.139 this morning.
$2.289 here. Showed on news this morn that is was $1.989 in Nixa , Missouri. Thats next door to Springfield, Missouri.
seen 2.09 in durant ok yesterday. at antlers it is 2.14 with a nickel off so that makes 2.09 a gal. there too.
I am guessing after the elections are over it ill go back up. Some places around here are $1.99. I wonder how the people feel who purchased new cars with the option of $2.99 gasoline guarantee, or $3000 cash back on the new car? They had alot of those car sale commercials here when it was around $4.00 gallon.
The price has been dropping pretty fast... Costco dropped about $0.40 in one day last week... but here in Sequim, WA it's still $3.05 for gas, $3.43 for diesel.
-N.
It's down to 2.38, been hearing its gonna drop below 2
262.9 in NW Florida
Same station from this morning had dropped to $1.999 this evening.
284.9¢ for 87 octane here in Russell.
A/O Noon today.
1.97 at some stations this morning.
GF
Down to 2.42 in the north GA mountains. I saw 2.15 on the SC coast this weekend.
Max here is $0.989/10/litre today, regular self serve.
2.85 this morning 2.81 this afternoon. heating oil is 2.53
Stonebroke
i dont understand what the oil companies are doing with gas prices going crazy. so much difference from town to town even from one side of town. we havw a sunoco station here that is always at least ten cents a gallon lower than everybody in town. so he gets all my business.
$2.059 this morning in se mo
$1.99 to $2.27
$1.76 at the Chevron on the corner of Mines Rd-FM1472 & Killam Industrial Blvd in Laredo, Texas. In case anyone wants some real cheap gas. ;D
Gas sure has gone up in price in Laredo. :o The last time I was in Laredo gas was $.48 a gallon. Of course that was a few years ago. ;D
Yesterday $1.93 but this morning $1.99 and the boss just came in and said $2.09...going in the wrong direction.
Analysts are saying $50 oil before long.
We are still paying well over $3/gallon here. :-\ $3.17 is the cheapest in town.
Gas has been steadily dropping here, diesel was stuck at $3.30 a gallon for a couple of weeks... then this morning on my way to work I saw $2.57 gas, $3.19 diesel.
Warbird, why is it that fuel is expensive up there? Do they think you folks can afford more because of your $3,200 Pemanent Fund Dividend checks? ;) :D No, seriously... how close is your nearest refinery? I've seen it actually be MORE close to the refinery in Anacortes, WA than it was in outlying areas...??
-N.
The closest refinery to me is about.. oh... 30 miles away. Maybe 35. We have 3 or 4 refineries in Alaska and our own oil fields. They blatantly control the local markets.
Quote from: Warbird on November 05, 2008, 10:29:29 PMThey blatantly control the local markets.
"They" is who?
-N.
To clarify (and just so you don't think I'm some sort of whacko smiley_dunce )...
local market prices are controlled by the refineries by manipulating 2 key items; those being, deciding what to refine (ie. not enough gasoline and heating oil), and where to ship to (ie. not the local market). I am not saying this lightly. I have watched this for more than 20 years. My first degree is an Associate of Applied Sciences in Petroleum Science Technology. I worked in Prudhoe Bay and in natural gas fields.
Our state government has questioned the refinery owners about local prices. IMO, their answers have been weak and lacking. They exemplify what is wrong with what the "free market" principal has been turned into today.
So... that is why fuel is so expensive up here.
$0.93/litre here this morning for self serve regular.
2.09
Just paid $2.28 for regular and noticed that diesel is below $3.
Quote from: Warbird on November 05, 2008, 11:02:22 PMOur state government has questioned the refinery owners about local prices. IMO, their answers have been weak and lacking. They exemplify what is wrong with what the "free market" principal has been turned into today.
Warbird, just be glad you "only" have to pay $0.08 per gallon state fuel tax, or your prices would be worse... here in WA state, our state fuel tax is about $0.38 per gallon! :o
-N.
Flying J Carlisle,Pa - Diesel $2.92 gal Gas $ 2.06 gal.
Universal - Diesel $2.82 ga Gas $1.96 gall these prices falling daily past 30 days 8)
Anybody remember what fuel prices were when crude was $62 barrel the last time. I don't remember them being this high then. Are refining costs going to be the next issue with prices?
Also, anyone know much about Universal oil. They have been taking over the Citgos in this area. I googled and found Universal lubricants up in northern Ohio. I don't know if that is the same outfit. I have'nt bought their fuel yet, even though they are cheaper. I was wondering if Hugo Chavez changed the name to throw us off. I don't buy Citgo just for that reason. However, I still see Citgos around yet. So I don't know what the deal is.
Our current base price before delivery and taxes is $0.4868/100 per litre.
$2.35 for regular and diesel is 3.54
$1.99 for regular in St. Louis
2.65 this morning and 2.63 this afternoon.n warnerville NY
Stonebroke
2.24 for premium this morning in Norfolk...I'm back to 11.00 fillups..
$1.92 in Jane, Mo. @Wal Mart $1.89 with there card 8) 8)
$1.99 for 87 octane in NW Louisiana today. Paid $2.99 for diesel yesterday. Could hardly believe my eyes. :o
LOGDOG
Saw $0.99/l on the sign today. Could hardly believe it, that is a long way from $1.52 we were paying this summer. I can live with the current price if the oilfield keeps working, we do not need that shut down.
We're down to 0.999/litre this morning as well.
1.89 for 100% gas at Valero and Phillips, Wal-Mart E10 blend 1.85.
GF
3.29 / gallon for 87 octane. Just not right :'(
$2.45 for regular today. Rode the motorcycle to work today in a t-shirt ;D
Western NC, Haywood Co., in the "Peoples Republic of Waynesville" it's (at the Enmark station) $2.18.
In Salisbury, NC (3 hrs East of me) on 11-05-2008 at the Hess Station it was $2.09.
UPDATE: Flying J Carlisle, Pa. $2.85 diesel Gas $1.91 and dropping 11/8/08 diesel dropped .15 in one day! :o :) :)
Went to gun show in Tulsa today and filled up for $1.77 a gallon. 8)
Most stations around here are holding at $1.008 but I saw one last night at 94.5cents/litre. Near drove off the road in disbelief. :D
2.27 gallon
2.19/gal in lake mills on sunday not bad......but could be better!!!!!
83.9 in Milton On. almost giving it away ::)
I filled at 88.4¢/liter yesterday in Magog .. Finding this a cheap price sure sums up where they want us .... :-\
Mtn. Grove, Mo. today--------gas 179.9, diesel 286.9.
Notable day here... gas is $2.37, diesel dropped to $2.99... first time below $3.00 since last Spring...
-N.
1.89 gal in antlers, plus a nickel off a gal cash price. shell station.
Its $1.74-$1.79 per gallon all over Kansas City MO!
$2.09 for regular gas today in Ellington,Mo.
Gasoline is $3.01 per gallon today at the cheapest place in town (Sam's Club - have to be a member to get gas there). Looks like it'll finally be dropping below the $3 mark for the first time in a very long time.
We had heating oil delivered yesterday. $2.55 per gallon. Needs to be well under $2/gal. :-\
buck eighty five for regular in smithfield va this morning...diesel is 2.19
$0.873/10/litre for reg. self serve this morning
Quote from: GF on July 08, 2005, 08:30:01 AM
Just curious what gas prices are in different areas across the U.S.
This morning in Okla its went from 203.9 to 219.9 in one day.
Diesel is 235.9
Most of us are now below the orginal post that started this thread. 8)
81.3/L in Hamilton
$ 1.959999999 :)
2.47 for reg. and 3.39 for diesel
Stonebroke
2.18 gal. 87 octane today
1.99 this morning at our local gas stations. 8)
This week I was on the island of Eleuthera in the Bahamas and I paid $4.85 per gallon.
1.799 in Cape Girardeau, MO this morning
Sounds like diesel vehicle sales have fallen off with the price of fuel being higher than gasoline. Apparently, some Texas dealers won't take them in trade.
2.13 in lake mills tonight-getting better!!!!!!!
Buck 72 @ wal-mart. I really didnt think we'd ever see gas under $2 but here it is.
There was a news report earlier in the week and the reporters were stating what a harmfull effect the falling oil prices were having on our economy! :o
Can you believe that. Just makes sense though cause the average American people really dont need that extra money we were spending on gas.....That money would be much better off in speculators and foreign oil companies pockets ::)
regular unleaded: $2.35 9/10
$1.85 here. The lower prices of gasoline is caused by all the speculators. ;D :)
Paid 2.08 for the 'cheap stuff' yesterday - Sure beats the 4.39 it hit last summer.
$1.79 in Rising Sun, Maryland today!
1.99 in madison tonight 8)
under 2 dollars unbelievable!!!!!!!!!
93 cents/litre this afternoon, cost me $63.50 to fill the almost empty Ranger. Paid over $96.00 during the summer.
$1.17 per liter the other day. Diesel was $1.24 in the Capitol on Thursday. Heating fuel(stove oil) is about 7 cents less than diesel. Minus 25 C tonight. Wood heat looking and feeling better than ever.
Gas has dropped to around $2.00 and we're happy. I noticed that as the price began to drop the # of posts on alt. fuels also fell way off. I think we're letting them fool us again
sorry I didn't mean to kill this thread. gas prices just below $2.00. Still looking into wvo as I think the trouble is just beginning.
$2.349 for 87 octane here in Russell.
There are some places close by where the price is in the $2.20's.
1.79 in antlers.
1.63 at some Okla City locations
$2.94 here still. :(
79.9 here
97.9/litre here, you would think it they can harmonize the price of a case of beer across the province the silly #$%(*&^ should be able to do the same for a litre of gas.
regular unleaded: $2.29 9/10
just paid 1.99
so sweet 8)
$1.78 at wal mart in Ruston, diesel $2.99 next door.
$1.99 in Ohio yesterday, SHOOT I even punched the throtttle a few times just cause I could afford it. :D
Ironwood
$1.67 in mid Missouri
$0.84/litre this morning
$1.789 in Ellington this morning.
92.9 as of 10 a.m. 8)
$1.85 reg per gal. Hess in Leominster ma...
$1.69 here is the best price in town. Does'nt much matter as folks are losing there jobs pretty fast and the economy looks to be going nowhere but down.
Probably a good thing though. Its about time folks learned how to stop spending every nickel they could earn, beg, borrow or steal.
77.3
regular unleaded: $2.14 9/10
$1.69 gallon today southwest va
Saw it at 1.529 in Sikeston this afternoon.
Paid $2.68 this evening at a store I get a $0.10 per gallon discount at.
Cheaoest I've found in Central Fla.. $1.779 last night in Waldo (NE of Gainesville).
Mark
I havn't been to town for awhile, but on the news, it reported $1.50 gas in Springfield, Mo. this morning. 8)
Paid .879¢/liter in Québec city yesterday.
Aren't you all glad I started making my own fuel?
Scared them oil companies right into submission I did :D
Thank you Robert . :P 8)
Paid 1.62 yesterday. Two months ago I never thought I'd see it under 2.00 again.
$1.49 @ wal mart jane,mo. 8)
1.93 a gallon
$1.99 for gas here, first time it's been below $2.00 since last spring.
-N.
Scared them oil companies right into submission I did
if ya can get it under a dollar you deserve a commision.
$0.80/litre this week
Under 90cents here for the first time in a long while. Our prices are among the highest in the country due to taxes. even the regional district slaps one on go juice. >:(
$2.179 for 87 octane here in Russell.
Some seem to think that it will drop to less than $1.00 here, by the end of the year.
I don't know. I like the way it's been going, but it still makes me think they're up to something.
We have one station nearby the usually drops their price in 20¢ increments. But, they are still at $2.409 for some reason.
I suspect that gas prices have bottomed out. Yesterday, on Turkey Day, we drove about forty miles south on I-35 and the traffic was very heavy and all those big Yukons, Explorers, and Tahoes were back out in force and traveling at over 80 MPH. We are getting started on the next gas crisis just like we did back in the 1980's after the last shortage.
We forget those high prices so fast and the things that caused them. :)
It is also worth remembering one of the big reasons for this price drop is the large speculators have been pushed to the sidelines by this financial crisis. If the financial mess improves, those money managers may again see we are using too much foreign oil along with OPEC planning to reduce the flow and we could very well see another explosion in prices.
This would be a good time to fill those tanks and even contract ahead for next year.
2.15$ and 3.25 for diesel
Stonebroke
Gday
$1.18 a L down here gota say its alot better than the $1.75 we wher paying earlyer on in the year ;D
Chris
1.88 a gal. today
$1.60 monday when I left Tenn.
Paid 1.91 tonight for regular in West Palm.
.89.9/L at the Petro Can this afternoon. WHOOHOO. Our prices are among the highest in the country due to taxes, even the regional district gets a cut :-\
Gas didn't move much this week, but actually rose a few pennies, while diesel and fuel oil dropped. Can't figure that one out. ::)
regular $2.199 in Maine
$2.079 for 87 octane here in Russell.
$2.00/gallon and that is with 10% ethanol. I asked to day when they started that and they said a week ago. Anyone else seeing this? I assume this cost more.
Tim
With ethanol at 10%, the gas is about $0.10 cheaper a gallon around here. I go to the straight gas, no ethanol if I can conveniently. Get 10% better mileage with no ethanol gas.
$1.56 @ Wal-Mart Jane,Mo.
1.71 for 87 today! 8)
It was a Mobil station. All the pumps had it added. I am guessing they want to use it up and are pushing it on the public? I will have to check the other stations in town.
I will forgo the link, Yahoo this morning had a bit on gas $ and it could hit .99 in the mid west, $1.25 soon. The last time we saw that was 1999. That would put some FF member at a young age of 4.
Tim
It's getting hard to find straight gas up here ::) It isn't any cheaper when it's 10% ethanol.... what's the deal ???
We pay the same for a product that has less shelf life and doesn't perform as well. ???
The price of gas implies a glut on the market and there could be 10% less glut if they kept the darn ethanol for someone who wants to use it
There is a subsidy for putting ethanol into the gas. I think its 50¢/gal, which would come out to a 5¢ difference. Right now, there is only a few cent difference in the price between the 2 different types of gas.
In my area, those cheap prices usually are for the 10% ethanol blend. My gas mileage went down when they brought them in. Gas mileage also drops when it gets cold.
We're down to $1.79, but they're down to $1.61 in some areas close by.
Oil has dropped to $40/bbl.
Now they produce a diesel additive here that they use in city buses and say it increases mileage by 20 %. I can't think that it would be much different than ethonal, maybe. ::)
The price difference in octane here is wider than in Maine. In Maine it is generally 0.10 ¢ per gallon difference. In NB it's 0.16 ¢ to go to mid grade, then 0.23 ¢ from Mid to High grade. A 0.39 ¢ spread instead of 0.30 ¢ as in Maine and a lot of Maine Fuel is coming from St. John, NB. It's the same approach with Natural Gas, if the Maritimes is the source our prices we pay subsidizes export costs. ::)
$1.429 @ Sikeston MO this evening.
.84.7/L this afternoon. This is good, I don't need to take out a bank loan just so I can get groceries.
2.03 and 3.11 for diesel
stonebroke
There is something wrong with the math I think here. Back when our dollar was worth $0.65 US and a barrel of oil was $40 the price at the pump was around $0.67/litre for regular gas and that was 8 years ago. Or am I mistaken and it was down to $25 a barrel. It couldn't be though because I remember the oil sands back then where being worked and they said it was only profitable at around $40 a barrel. Sure is cornfusing. ::)
$2.50 per gallon here. They are still gouging us. :-\
I remember $25 oil back during Desert Storm. I bought a contract at $23 and sold at $32. Yep, I was a speculator. I'm thinking about doing it again. OPEC is threatening a huge slowdown after their meeting on Dec. 16.
Current exchange rates on the Canadian $ is about 78¢.
Yeah I know, so the price should be closer to $0.67/L than $0.80/L. :D
1.45 for 100% gas here today. Oklahoma sour oil was trading at a little over $23.00 a barrel this past friday.
E85 was 1.85
$2.019 for 87 octane here in Russell.
Bought gas in Ogdensburg a couple days ago for $1.839!
1.39 for 100% gas at numerous locations this morning.
.849/ litre as of this morning that must mean its selling for around .600/litre in Taronto. >:(
I think it should take quite a drop here tomorrow. Isn't it below $40 a barrel now? Gotta go check.
Nope, I guess it went up above $45 today. You know it used to be, it would move just pennies, now we see it moving by several dollars the last 8 years. It's become a big game, if we need it, it's there, it's not like we have to go looking tomorrow because all the wells are dry today. Just need to open the tap. That's what don't make sense. Sure we'll run dry some day, and we don't need to be wasteful now. But this yoyo BS is enough already. Those that are producing it want to sell it as bad as those that want it.
On the news last night they showed a southern michigan town where Gas was 1.299
Quote from: Bill Johnson on December 10, 2008, 12:29:58 PM
.849/ litre as of this morning that must mean its selling for around .600/litre in Taronto. >:(
nah it's still 70.1 cents
$0.73/litre here today, $0.71/litre if the top-up delivery charge is not added.
It's now down to $1.959 for 87 octane here in Russell.
I saw $1.71 here.Probaly around my FIL place,½ hour away,it's $1.65.I've been seeing Irving at almost 20¢ higher for 3 weeks now than a Maine based company.Most times they are only a few cents off from each other,be it higher or lower.Not many getting gas there now I noticed.
Saw it for 1.379 in Jackson MO today.
.75.9¢/liter it going the right way , Down .
$1.89 gas and $2.49 diesel here this morning...
77.6 a litre ... it went up a cent and 1/2 this week ... after it went down below $ 40 a barrell on Friday a drop of 2 or 3 bucks .. so they put it up at the pump,,,...go figure ?
I noticed that too, it went up .02/L in the last few days. Wazzup with that ???
Gday
Its between $0.90 and a $1.10 a liter in central Victoria Aust
Chris
Quote from: sawguy21 on December 19, 2008, 08:42:56 PM
I noticed that too, it went up .02/L in the last few days. Wazzup with that ???
New Math !! smiley_clapping pc_smiley
Yeah $0.76/litre here, I think it went up 4-5 cents. The way it seems to work is on the previous week's trading, because the price is set mid week here and Fridays are always a day where there seems to be big swings in the market.
1.89$ in warnerville
Stonebroke
$1.999 gal. Highest in the state of Maine I'm told.
$1.57 for 87 octane in Streator, Ill.
The BioPro processor has now paid for itself.
Biodiesel $0.97 per gallon in Robert's garage ;D
and just as soon as it warms up we'll be puting some in the truck
$1.899 here in Russell, $1.879 in Canton!
69.1 cents per litre in hamilton
$0.72 a litre here this morning.
$1.71 for regular last night. Diesel @ $2.37.
hi centeral OHIO 161.9 yestarday
Welcome to the Forum, andytree!
$1.55 in Boscawen NH up from $1.51 two days ago.
$1.43 Sioux City, Iowa
Prices fluctuate quite a bit from place to place. Reg is 1.659 here, 1.569 in B'ham Alabama, and I bought it for 1.449 on the Alabama side of the Fl/Al line last nite. Passed up one place that was 1.419 'cause the line was 3 deep. I ain't sittin' in line for 3 cents! ::)
Our 2000 Plymouth Grand Voyager usually get's 23mpg at 75mph straight and level. Last night, after filling an almost empty tank with 10%, it was hovering between 24 and 25mpg according to the computer. It is an E85 ready vehicle. I'm wondering if that makes it get better mileage on 10%, since the computer is set up to adjust to it. ???
Maybe it has a setting to ignore the .009 cents a gallon painted on the filling station sign and thinks there is less uzen's in a gallon than what there really is. :-\
Have y'all noticed that the fuel delivered sign on the pump jumps to about .05 cents when you turn the pump on? But, it doesn't jump back .05 cents when you turn the pump off? :-\
Gotta pay for the vaporized stuff to I guess. :D
If the pump is jumping .05 without pumping anything i'd say call
the weights & measure dept. the number is on the pumps, they
will check it out
Yep, get ahold of the USDA That is their job to regulate weights and measures . If your pump is not right it will get fixed fast.
Isn't it the county Weights and Measures Job?
Stonebroke
Quote from: Tom on December 26, 2008, 12:35:42 PM
Have y'all noticed that the fuel delivered sign on the pump jumps to about .05 cents when you turn the pump on? But, it doesn't jump back .05 cents when you turn the pump off? :-\
May not be the pump. If you remove the hose and hold it down close to ground level, then squeeze the trigger, you can get about a cup of gas without turning on the pump. Next guy who turns on the pump pays for enough gas to refill the hose ;D Two or 3 such visits would yield enough fuel to run my old whizzer motorbike for couple of days....When I was a kid, this trick sorta fell in the same category as stealing watermellons ::)
$1.399 per litre here for 91 octane
Here in Warren,Ohio today regular was $1.559 per gallon. Have heard that it should fall about $0.40 per gallon in the next 3 weeks. Hope this is true, then it may be time to fill the farm gas storage tank as well as the diesel tank.
68 - 70 cents a litre in Nova Scotia...
Went down 6 cents a litre this week ;D
Great !!
For some reason diesel is still 10 -15 cents higher
$1.48 in Streator today
Just back from a holiday trip. I stopped at an auto/truck stop just outside Meridian Miss, got reg 87 no alky for $1.35. they had diesel for $1.92 . 12 pumps and waiting lines at every one...
Quote from: pineywoods on December 28, 2008, 09:03:03 PM
Just back from a holiday trip. I stopped at an auto/truck stop just outside Meridian Miss, got reg 87 no alky for $1.35. they had diesel for $1.92 . 12 pumps and waiting lines at every one...
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It's a beautiful thing.
Dropped to $1.499 in Warren, Ohio yesterday. I think it will drop another $0.30 in the next couple of weeks.
Had to go on a road trip yesterday and saw reg gas at 1.29 and diesel at 1.80. That was 40 some miles from home. Here it is fifty cents higher.
79.9/L here in Peace River Alberta...sounds incredibly high to me compared to other areas of the country considering we make the darn stuff in my back yard... ???
$1.54 here in dowtown Largo, FL
Lowest I saw today in West Palm was 1.629
I filled up for $1.79 a gallon yesterday... noticed on my way to work this morning that gas had gone UP to $1.84... first time it's gone up in a while. Diesel is still $2.39 here.
-N.
.779/litre this morning on the way to work.
Still 2.19 /g for 87 octane up here in the mountains
$0.675/10/litre, self serve, here this week.
Gas went up 6-10¢ today, depending on the station. Local went from $1.59 to $1.65.
The stuff going on with Israel is going to raise the price of the barrel. I am going to buy heating oil now for the machinery, sawmill, fork lift, tractor, all off road machinery. I have been waiting for it to hit the bottom, I think it just did.
Tim
Our gas went from 1.86 to 1.83 today go figure
stonebroke
I spoke too soon, it's back up to .829/litre this morning >:(
.86.9/l here yesterday. :-\ Oil is back to #50.00/ barrel this morning, the squabble over Gaza must be making people nervous.
$1.99 Gal >:(
Gas is $1.99 a gallon here, up from $1.85 yesterday... and diesel went from $2.49 yesterday to $2.59 today.
-Norm.
Quote from: Don_Papenburg on January 07, 2009, 11:30:28 PM
$1.99 Gal >:(
Gday
Why so angry Don ;) :D ;D You could be getting hit $4.50 au + per us gal ;) doining a convert worrks out to around 3.25 a gal US ;) ;D
Chris
$0.778/10/litre this morning. At the same time oil dropped yesterday to $42 and change. I suspect a dip in gas prices next week if trading continues to hammer at oil prices. This is from news of supply from the US.
Because it was $1.43 last week
Gday
Don thats a fairly large shift in 1 week :o ::) ::) we where up around the $6.66 au per gal :o :o :o $4.40 US a gal just a few months ago
I see your into Dimond Ts what models do you have ??? Im just about to become a member of ATHS American truck historical society Australian Chapter ;D ;D 8) Ive just confirmed on a trade with an earthmoveing contractor for a barter ;) Float deaking for a 71 K100 Seattle cab w/sleeper(one of the last fully imported) with a 250 cummings a 15 spd RR 44000 pound rears on Tbar suspension in bloody good nick apart from the paint work and needing alittle tlc inside the cab and a new sett of tyres ;) ;D ;D ;D ;D 8)
Reguards Chris
They moved it up 6¢ more at the local station, but down 10¢ at the stations by the mill. Its getting to be that you can't out guess their next move. :D
up to $1.67 a gallon today as opposed to $1.51 2 weeks ago. Let the games begin...
1.87$ in warnerville, We may have hit bottom and are starting to rise.
Stonebroke
Around the $AU1.00 per litre here...
But I'm driving on LPG... at anywhere between 45c and 65c (AU) a litre.
Ray Bell
About da same miles per gallon liter with da LPG?
Hellooooo der Yoooper guy translator
I did not know you could still get that gasoline in Yooperland. They tore down the brewsky in St. Paul a long time ago. I could not drink much of that stuff cause it gave me a headache. :D :D
Quote from: Gary_C on January 09, 2009, 06:33:45 PM
I did not know you could still get that gasoline in Yooperland. They tore down the brewsky in St. Paul a long time ago. I could not drink much of that stuff cause it gave me a headache. :D :D
Boy are you goona look silly in the morning. :D
Perhaps it was intentional. :D :D
Medo miller . I have two 201 pickups , one 306 w/grainbox and a509 SC
One of the pickups was a parts truck that I plan to make into an extended cab The 306 is basicly stock . It has a varnished oak box with a hydraulic tail gate. The 509SC has a 306H cab because the 509 was missing the doors. I raised the cab 9inches to clear the fenders . It will be a oneton whenever I get it finnished. All of them are 48 and 49 model years.
QuoteOriginally posted by beenthere
Ray Bell
About da same miles per gallon litre with da LPG?
Not quite as good...
I'm told that the fuel yields about 85% of the power compared to the same volume of regular. I believe I get about about 85% of the mileage I would on unleaded regular.
Oil is below $37 a barrel this morning in trading, so I expect a big drop at the pumps this Thursday. :)
Today it was $1.66 in my town. I didn't fuel up because I had to go up to Tilton where it's always been about 5 cents lower. Of course today it was 3 cents higher than my town,even at B.J'S wholesale club where I fuel up. I have never seen it higher there than my town. what gives?
they knew you was coming? ??? ???
james
Well I for one, can not figure out this latest gas pricing trend. Oil has hovered around $40 a barrel for weeks, today $37.50 and gas has been climbing a cent or two a week and diesel and heating oil falling. What the heck is going on? ::)
What is going on is the oil companies are starting to gain control of the market again. They will creep the retail price up until such time as they are making "acceptable" profits.
Stonebroke
$1.79 tonight in my town (Boscawen NH)
Been at 2.45/G for about 2 weeks now. :(
$1.97 gal. for 87 octane today.
I paid $1.97 @gallon for diesel at the Walmart Murphy station this morning.
I think gas was $1.79 for regular.
just wait gas is headed to the moon *(the Democrats )* are looking at more gas taxes !! Our wonderful Govenor "Cadillac" Deval Patruck is requesting a 30+ cent per gallon tax here in MA...
same old same old Tax and spend break the backs of the average Joe!!
The story on the business report this morning is that the credit crunch is hurting the refiners so they are cutting production which drives prices up.
In my house at Hayward, wi
ele. 329 kwh $60@ mo.
car gas $2.00 gal. the E-150 van gets 16 mpg the rest of cars get 30+ mpg
L.P. gas $2.05 gal. used 300 gal in 16 mo. Didn't like the bill on L.P. gas so putting in a water tempering tank above the fireplace. Hope to cut L.P. use in half. I think I'm on the green side for energy use. 8)
SE
Barrel prices keep falling while the price at the pump here keeps going up...up from 1.68 to 1.77 overnight across the state line in SC today. 1.99 on the NC side
Right at $2 here in southern Oregon ???
Gday
I love your fuel prices overthere ;) :D ;D ;D Downhere its sitting at Ulp @ $3.96 a gal
and Desiel is @ $4.50 a gal and thats Cheap ;) :D :D :D ;)
Chris
But is that Aussie dollars or US dollars?
Stonebroke
Gday
SB its in those Bloody funny Aussie dollers the ones that you dont get tooo much value outa when you convert them nowadays ;) :D :D :D ;D in green backs thats about $3.00 Bucks a gal for deisel Mate ;) ;D
Chris
Gas is 2.07 in warnerville and diesel is 2.79 so you are not to far ahead of us.
Stonebroke
went back above 2.00 the last couple of days in western Pennsylvania
Dyed diesel 1.97 this morning. haven't seen it under 2.00 in a long time.
UL reg here $2.25, 38 miles away $1.99, off road diesel $2.25, propane $1.65 gal
I couldn't believe my eyes Monday. I filled up and the price was only $1.969 for 15PPM diesel.
Bruce
Offroad diesel today was $1.59 a gallon, road diesel is $1.89 on average.
GF
We've been sitting at .889/litre for unleaded for a couple of weeks now. The propane guys were in last month to fill my tank .689/litre for 1000+ litres should be good til spring now.
My 3500 Ram and 51 Cat appreciates it.
merging another thread.
Gas today is $2.21 here, diesel dropped to $2.15... significant, because this is the first time in a couple of years? that diesel costs less than regular unleaded...
-Norm.
gas went from $1.78 to $2.00 for the weekend monday it was down a bit to about $1.89
I filled up the truck yesterday- first time in 2 months, since I rarely drive it anymore- for $1.769 in St Joe, and gas there was $1.799. That is the first time in ages that I have seen diesel cheaper than gas.
Charles
1.95 to 2.05 for regular unleaded in sw PA
Filled up with diesel today in Pawnee Ok, for $1.57. 8)
Diesel is $1.99 today in Redwood City Ca. cheaper then regular. I'm not complaining
$1.83 tonight in Boscawen for unleaded.
Gas has been going up,2.49$ But diesel is now cheaper than gas 2.45$ been a long time since I have seen that.
Stonebroke
gas went from 2.03 to 2.19 in one day, just the gas companies way of raping us for the holiday.
They can only rape you if you let them. If enough people would stay home and not use gas on holidays, they may eventually get the message.
It's about $2.23-2.29 around here, filled up before the weekend
We fill up at Stop & Shop .10 off for every $100 in food you buy
We usually get .20-.30 off a gallon
I fill up my truck (close to 27g) & then gas cans until the pump shuts off at $100
They have the pumps set back again to only pump $100 at a time
They couldn't do that when gas was $4 a gallon :(
I just filled up today. $249.9 ouch! When it rises so fast without a major event causing supply problems, I know the oil companies just orchestrate it to be high for holiday travel.
If I wasn't so fed up with the stock market, I'd buy some oil stock. They keep showing RECORD PROFITS at our expense.
Actually it's the stock market driving the price increase
according to the news
2.39 - 2.43 in sw PA
$2.42 a gal last night in Boscawen NH
2.58 for the 'cheep' stuff here. I heard our attny. general is 'investigating' price gouging here in Ct. Great, I feel more protected already. I think he did the same thing last summer too.
Diesel is finally lower than all three grades of gas, 2.49/gal..
Tim
Gas is 2.57$ diesel is 2.45$ when was the last time diesel was 12cents lower than gas?
Stonebroke
In SE Pa - Guthriesville - Sunoco had diesel at 2.479 and regular unleaded at 2.499 - nice to see diesel where it oughta be - less than regular - even if gas has gone up 0.40 in the past few weeks. . . :o
It was 1.019 per litre this morning, it is anyones guess what it will be on the way home tonite. >:(
2.57 per gal. in brainerd, mn. for 87 oct........ maybe it will top out at last summers average high of 2.79??????
Our high last summer was 4.20$
Stonebroke
As the dollar hits the dirt a result is the rise in fuel prices. I just heard home heating oil is going up as well, not that we are going to pay much attention to that at this time of the year, in three months it will be a different story.
Tim
The propane contract came today. Last year at this time I contracted at $2.26 per gal. This year's contract is $1.49. I think summer before last it was $1.62.
However car fuel went up 10¢ today to $2.75, which is 35¢ over what it was two weeks ago.
Already filled up on heating oil when it was under $2 a gallon
Usually only use 1.25 tanks a year
Filled up the truck & gas cans for $2.09 last week
We shop at Stop & Shop & get .10 off for every $100 spent
So I fill up the truck & gas cans
Then fill up the wifes car & have enough to fill her car 2x more
97.9 per L here in Grimshaw this week. Starting to creep back up I see.
Diesel is 3.19 and home heating is 2.69 now . Wood sales are up , but so is productions prices . :'(
diesel is 3.13 now it was 2.91 lasr week
Stonebroke
In Missouri $2.49 gas and $2.64 diesel
i paid 3.159 a gallon yesterday for deisel
$1.04/litre here this week
AU$1.28/l diesel
DTR
Western Massachusetts gas is $2.70 a gal. Diesel is $2.99 A gal.
we pay per litre in New Zealand, 3.5 litres to a US gallon, currently $1.75 per litre x 3.5 = $6.125, convert this to US dollars = $4.59 US per gallon, very expensive dont ya think.
Last year when things were really bad we were paying $2.10 per litre.
Quote from: mcfcfan on January 17, 2010, 04:55:15 PM
we pay per litre in New Zealand, 3.5 litres to a US gallon, currently $1.75 per litre x 3.5 = $6.125, convert this to US dollars = $4.59 US per gallon, very expensive dont ya think.
Last year when things were really bad we were paying $2.10 per litre.
Holy crap. What do people drive there to afford the gas?
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Mostly smaller Japanese imports. But there are a lot of v6 and v8 fords and holdons as well.
I suppose it is what you are used to.
Diesel is about $1.07 per litre, but on top of that you have to pay "Road users fees"
The road infrastructure is also not the best so use more fuel. :'( :'(
Also, it's an Island (x2), you cant make a long road trip anyway, you run out of road. :D
Ian
$2.57 regular unleaded and $2.85 for diesel.
A trip to Ft. Pierce this weekend showed prices to be in the 2.72 to 2.80 range with distinctions made for credit or cash. Credit prices were around 3.03 and it's becoming more common to see thise credit/cash signs in middle and south Florida.
With global freezing happening for a little while longer I'm sure glad I'll have a snow sled to push/pull/coast on. :D
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3242784/Petrol-prices-drop-with-a-3c-cut
$2.75 regular unleaded at the Sheetz in Duncannon, PA. (Stopped there on the way to work this morning. Filled up the truck, $74.00... :()
I remember coming back from the slaughterhouse one day about eighteen months ago and putting in 140$ worth.
Stonebroke
Where I live( south of Seattle) diesel is going for $2.93 to $3.19. All grades of gas are still pretty much below that.
I just got back got back from the Virgin Island of St John and the gas price was $3.24 there :)
$2.999 for regular (87octane) on average today!
Memphis,
Gasoline
$2.48 Regular
$2.53 Midrange
$2.68 Premium
Diesel
$2.67
Was 1,02$/liter this morning and was 0,989¢/liter when I got back , no need to saye when I gased up ::) :-\
Supposed to drop here over night by $0.03 a litre.
$2.65 for the cheap stuff ten cents more for higrade.
2.85$ here for the cheap stuff!!!
Went to $2.61 today
$3.07/gallon, diesel.
Tim
$2.959 for regular (87octane) on average today!
It's been $2.799 for 87 and 89 octane here for the past month or so.
Here the prices are $1.059 / litre for 87 Octane and $1.012 / litre for diesel.
$1.012/10 for regular self serve.
NE MS
Reg $2.399 less 3 cents with discount card at WalMart. Diesel $2.749. Gas down 8 cents since last week. 20 miles away in Tupelo, one station had $2.749 for reg gas, no diesel.
We came down two cents to 2.91 in warnerville NY for gas diesel is still 3.13
Stonebroke
$2.59 today
Regular gas on average is $2.71 a gallon today in Oklahoma.
Gary
Around here, some stations are selling regular at $3.039 and some are at $3.059.
That's self serve, full service add 5¢.
That is a old yankee tradition that is slowly dying out.
Stonebroke
Quote from: Magicman on April 07, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck White on April 07, 2010, 09:09:22 AM
full service add 5¢.
What's full service ??? ???
Good one MM! ;D
Now it's where someone comes out and pumps the gas for you.
Used to be someone would (1)pump your gas (2)check your oil (3)top off fluids (ws washer, pwr steering, transmission) (4)wash your windows (front,rear and sides).
As Stonebroke said, full service is dying out.
Quote from: Magicman on April 07, 2010, 02:44:38 PM
Quote from: Chuck White on April 07, 2010, 09:09:22 AM
full service add 5¢.
What's full service ??? ???
Full service is when the wife gets out, pays for the gas, pumps it, grabs me a coffee and washes the windshield. 8) 8)
.99 cents a litre here and that's a Canadian cent! 8) 8) 8)
I think it went up to $1.039/10/litre this morning.
Its pretty DanG expensive here, about $3/gallon now.
2.99 regular 3.19 diesel
Stonebroke
$2.90 here for regular
Marv
$2.699 for regular and $2.899 for diesel.
2.89 for reg unleaded. Didn't check diesel.
262 unleaded and super unleaded 2.85 premium. 2.85 diesel in central Missouri
2.85 for reg and 3.19 for diesel, about the biggest spread I have seen in quite a while.
Stonebroke
$2.62 unleaded
The last time I fueled up a month or so ago, diesel was at $3.29 This week it is down to $2.99
Saw $2.519 for reg unleaded on the Flyin J sign yesterday.
Hard to believe, but the closest station to us is now the cheapest in the area at $2.929
Dropped $0.23 an imperial gallon last night here.
Outside of town, RBOB is 2.56, diesel is 2.96.
Right now the average price for gas in Oklahoma is $2.45
GF
2.68 here but I am expecting it to take its normal jump today for the holiday.
filled up everything yesterday.
Reg is down to 2.81 but diesel is still 3.19
Stonebroke
This was a nice sign at a station in South Carolina a couple Saturdays ago.
Fuel here is usually 40 or 50 cents more per gallon because of taxes.
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13635/1176/Raceway_Fuel_SC.JPG)
Well, at least it's been under a buck a litre for the last three weeks. That still don't make me feel all that good. But, the trip out to Jeff's was surprisingly cheap with good mileage. ;)
Unleaded regular @ $2.95. Diesel @ 3.64.
3.39 for diesel here. Costs me $61.50 every morning to fill the truck and skidder fuel with a cup of coffee :'(. Glad my TJ and cummins don't suck alot of fuel!
Diesel is about $2.99 here. I'll add a couple new fuels to the mix. We recently had a CNG (Compressed Natural Gas) & E-85 (Ethanol) station open up down by my office. CNG is $1.60 and E-85 is $2.00. The E-85 was $1.85 up until about a week ago.
Here regular unleaded is at $1.104 / litre and diesel is $1.142 / litre this tranlates to about $4.09 USD / US gallon for unleaded and about $4.23 USD / US gallon for diesel.
Unleaded with ethanol 2.69, diesel 2.91 per gal. bg
$1.16/liter for diesel here, 1.14 for regular. :-\ What's up with that, diesel used to be somewhat cheaper?
$1.05/litre here. When traveling this summer, prices were higher west of Drummondville, Quebec.
along I 80 unleaded 2.80 deisal 3.30
off I 80 small town unleaded2.69 deisal 2.99 ???? holidays also heard LP was going up cold weather is on the way
$3.12 here for regular!
Worst part is, there's no reason for fuel to be that high!
Kansas Prices - Reg Unleaded - $2.71 Super Unleaded - $2.99 Diesel $3.17
Missouri is usually about .05 to .08 cheaper per gallon over fuel in Kansas due to the road taxes Kansas adds to fuel. >:( But I will say we have good roads in Kansas for the most part.
Diesel ...3.10$ central Colorado...
E-85 Ethanol bumped up to $2.10 here yesterday.
gas-2.89 deisel-3.19 here
Regular 10% Eth $2.589, Diesel - $3.059, Off Road Diesel - $2.699
3.249 for diesel, gas 3.059! This is in central Maine >:(
Non-ethenol regular, $2.679. Off road diesel, $2.699.
I filled up with diesel last night. $3.159 NW Fl.
Reg. 3.24 , On road diesel 3.69, off road 3.34. And at 120 gal. a day it hurts.
in ct 3.259-3.679 >:(
When I left work yesterday i got gas for 2.72. Gas is usually 10 to 20 cents cheaper than here in Harrison, MI ;D
$2.91 for reg gas last night in Boscawen NH (just north of Concord)
For some reason it's crept up a little since summer and there is a lot less travel this time of year. Sure we can't boost the price over the BP mess in the Gulf? ;)
Paid $3.06 for a gallon of regular today.
$3.27 this afternoon for Regular Unleaded. >:(
3.05 gas 3.24 diesel
$1.20/liter for regular here. $1.16.9 for diesel. help_me
Around $1.11/litre here, some places $1.085 self serve.
$3.09 for 97 last night. I hate pumps that cut off at $75 before your full. I mean do they not want the extra sales.
1,199$ >:( They have us by the handle or nozzle and sometimes I think they got our balls too.
$1.170 here as of this morning for regular ... diesel is about the same price
3.39 for road diesel, 3.09 for regular gas, that'll kill any up tick the economy may have :-X
Glad I only fill up once a month in the winter. ::) If I'm having to burn it, I want to be paid while doing so, even if on paid vacation. :D Our regulated retail rate in the gas formula may be going up. ::)
Heard today that for every 10 cent price increase on a gallon of gas results in $400,000,000 dollars less going into the economy for other items.
Price of regular unleaded in Oklahoma City area is at $2.89 to $2.97 gallon.
GF
$3.31 this afternoon for Regular Unleaded. >:(
$3.59 for High Test.
$101.9/L here today...a jump of 10 cents this past week.
Regular gasoline here is now $1.180/litre or about $4.47/US gallon
Diesel is $1.183/litre or about $4.48/US gallon
12/30/2010 - diesel - $3.49/gal.
Wednesday at Steamboat Springs Co, Diesel 3.38 per gal. and Bio Diesel 3.41 per gal. bg
Top of Utah: Regular (85 octane) $2.679, Diesel $3.299 at Flying J and Maverik.
front range Colorado... 3.15/3.25 diesel...
looking hard it can be had for 3.10
the west slope... 3.35/3.75....
that's consistently more than premium....
wasn't so long ago it was less than regular...
It is about $8.00 a gallon , $2.00 a liter, here in Germany.
However, the beer is gre.at, college tuition is free, everybody has health care, and you can drive as fast as you want on the autobahn.
self serve maximum price $1.131/10/litre here in NB. $4.37/US Gal.
Self serve ultra low sulfur diesel $1.19 1/10/litre $4.60/US GAl.
Furnace oil $1.03/litre $3.98/US Gal.
Regular unleaded, about3.15/Gal. here in Cincinnati...Westside.
diesel $3.54/ gal
in SE Pennsylvania
$3.05-3.20 / gallon for self serve regular gas.
What is more amazing is that, @ $1.50 for a bottle of 16 ounces of drinking water, we pay $12.00 / gallon for Dasani and don't complain! So you can drill oil in the middle east, sail it over here for refining, turn it into 87 octane gas with all the additives etc, ship it all over the country, and sell it for 3 bucks a gallon, but we can't by a bottle of water for under a buck! Everybody's got to make a little, but......when I am reincarnated I want to return as the CEO of a bottled water company. :D :D
Went down today to $3.05 regular
DocB just start as production manager today . Order a truck load of bottles , when they arrive sit at the kitchen sink and start filling bottles. Cap em slap on the DoctorB label and start hauling in the big bucks.
Up to $103.9/L here
$1.49l for diesel, $1.38l for unleaded. ouch
$2.029 per litre unleaded 91 octane as of yesterday
Wow, that's $5.83 per US gallon in US dollars. >:( :(
BTW, is there any place in the world that still uses leaded gasoline?
New prices set last night by NB EUB:
1.13/litre regular
1.25/litre diesel
1.08/litre furnace oil
1.126/litre propane
$3.05 for non-ethanol regular and $3.05 for off-road diesel. And the guy said that it was gonna go up. :-\
Quote from: DouginUtah on February 17, 2011, 04:02:10 PM
Wow, that's $5.83 per US gallon in US dollars. >:( :(
Just one of the many many many extra costs of living in Taradise. (Taranaki/Paradise) it's a local expression
3.59 diesel.Western pa.
Gday
$1.28 L for Ulp and 1.29.5 Diesel up here ;)
Regards Chris
1.056/L in Grimshaw this week. With the temperature hovering around - 30, the fuel mileage is likely cut in half of what it is during the summer.
went up six cents in one day for a total of 28 cents over 3/4 days to this just ain't right...
irving at 3.88
Off road Diesel went up 4¢ today. I paid $3.09. :-\
Regular unleaded $1.185/L
Diesel $1.255/L
Regular unleaded went up 8 cents today. >:( On a yearly basis todays price increase will cost me $400 .
Reg. is $3.43 in Russell today.
Went from 3.06 to 3.26 today
Unleaded at Walmart with discount card was $2.909 yesterday. Shell was $2.999. On road diesel $3.359. Off road $3.099.
New maximums for self serve per litre:
gas 1.145
diesel 1.251
furnace oil 1.084
propane 1.129
Jumped from $3.14 to $3.25 yesterday. Get ready, looks like a long rough ride.
I predict a short ride, by next month things will be back to normal, but prices won't fall back for awhile and gradually because the market is testing response to consumption. The test is, will things keep bustling along or cause a down swing on the economic recovery?
My 2 cents.
There is currently a 60 cent difference in regular gasoline vs diesel. It was either last year or two years ago diesel was briefly about 5 cents cheaper.
I never really understand why the difference fluctuates so much - I know, supply and demand, but seriously, why?
Quote from: Dean186 on February 24, 2011, 10:57:49 AM
There is currently a 60 cent difference in regular gasoline vs diesel. It was either last year or two years ago diesel was briefly about 5 cents cheaper.
I never really understand why the difference fluctuates so much - I know, supply and demand, but seriously, why?
I've wondered the same thing often, even with supply and demand taken into consideration, diesel requires less refining so why is it so much higher now? I haven't driven a diesel pickup for quite a few years but when I was it was cheaper than gas.
SD, I think it's gonna take a little longer than you think for the simple fact that come Aprilish we get to start burning any where from 150 to 200 gallons a day in the field, it's never cheaper once that starts. :-\
You'll burn up the expensive oil in your tractors and then I can buy the cheaper stuff. All has to work through the system. Although, the increase is quicker than the down swing because of uncertainty. We'll be back to 0.99/litre by June. :D
What's the Canadian dollar doing in this latest spike? I read yesterday, people are investing more in Canadian oil again and the tar sands are getting real attractive again.
Regular grade went from $3.47.9 yesterday to $3.61.9 this morning in the Russell/Canton area.
Regular unleaded was 3.25 a gallon today on the east side of Oklahoma City. Diesel is around 3.49 a gallon on average. How high will it go? :-\
It's jumped as much as 25 cents in the past 7 days. Cheapest I've seen today for Regular Unleaded (w/ 10% junk added) was $3.02; highest was $3.19.
I had off road diesel delivered on Monday for $3.26 no taxes included.
Saw 3.99.9 At several places yesturday! Getting real depressing when 50% of your gross is going in the fuel tank!!!
What a shocker. I just filled up my petrol jugs at the local gas station $2.169 per litre. >:( Time to start thinking about woodgas.
3.86$
Diesel $3.82, regular $3.32
Regular is up to $8.50 a gallon in Germany.
If it weren´t so cold I would be riding my bike.
regular $1.224/litre or about $4.63USD/US gallon
diesel $1.274/litre or about $4.82USD/US gallon
Wow, I just filled up this afternoon. $3.33 for regular non-ethanol = $97.00. Ouch !!!
Quote from: Ernie on March 01, 2011, 01:15:53 AM
What a shocker. I just filled up my petrol jugs at the local gas station $2.169 per litre. >:( Time to start thinking about woodgas.
My thoughts exactly Ernie. Inventory of my parts dept (junk pile) turned up enough stuff to get started. May be time to revive Paul_H's wood burning truck thread.
Quote from: pineywoods on March 01, 2011, 08:52:06 PM
Inventory of my parts dept (junk pile) turned up enough stuff to get started. May be time to revive Paul_H's wood burning truck thread.
You're lucky my "parts and other valuable stuff" department was ransacked and taken to the dump while I was last in the hospital having a few stents stuck into the ol ticker. Almost sent me back in for more surgery.
The station down the road from our house went up again today to $3.39 for Regular, with 10% ethanol. 2 weeks ago, I think it was $2.97. Average around VB now is about $3.21.
Every time something goes wrong in the middle east, the price of oil goes up.
Maybe that was the reason the Texans started a war there.
$3.55 at a McClure's today for regular 87 octane.
The cheapest I saw today was 3.47
$1.28.9/l for diesel at the pump today. $75.00 gave me less than 3/4 tank. :'(
My kids go to school 20 miles from home. Factor in football and basketball practice and games at $3.39 a gallon, it gets old fast. And don't forget about softball and baseball in the summer either. The oil companies have us over a barral and there's nothing we can do about it. It just stinks! smiley_smelly_skunk smiley_smelly_skunk
filled up yesterday Diesel 3.77 unleaded 3.44 Ouch!
Maximum Prices set this morning are:
Regular self serve $1.196/l
Diesel Self Serve $1.311/l
Furnace oil $1.152/l
Propane $1.136/l
all x 3.78 to convert to us gallons. your money is worth about the same as ours your fuel taxes must be higher? here between the fed and state its about .55 per gallon on diesel gas is a little less maybe .50
Gas is 3.45-3.49 here.Just a short story about off road diesel. Not many places have it now at the pump. I go to a small store to get it.On road diesel is 3.87 there.Their off road is 3.77 now. :o Use to be 40-60 cents less. Now I have a hard time getting it,they are sold out alot of time.Times are hard now,and people come in with their 5 gallons cans for their furnace.They can afford $30-60 but not the $350 at once or more for 100 gallons to be delivered to their homes. He went up on the price because of the demand. last time I bought it was 50¢ cheaper,but he was out,so I had to buy on road and spend $10 more.
you dont have to pay the road tax on off road but they do add the sales tax
1.269/l this morning >:( glad I filled up 6 gas cans at 1.199/l last week it will at least keep me going a little while.
Filled up Friday for $3.29/gal Regular, it's $3.39 this morning.
Quote from: thecfarm on March 03, 2011, 09:09:47 AM
people come in with their 5 gallons cans for their furnace.They can afford $30-60 but not the $350 at once or more for 100 gallons
That's a small tank, try 900 litres (233 USG) @ $1.15/l. Makes short work of a $1000 bill. :D
SwampDonkey,here in my area the oil companies will not delivery any less than 100 gallons. ;) Some have 200 gallons tank some have 250 gallons. Most can't afford 100 gallons let alone to fill their 250 gallon tank.Would be impossible to have a 100 gallon tank here.Would have to run it dry each time so the oil company will come.
Ah, now I see what your saying. The oil guy for my area is just 2 miles away. He will come right away if I call. But I have never called in 2-1/2 years. :D One tank full is the cost of half my winter's wood. F%^^& that! ;)
Reg was $3.40 at 11:30 AM, and $3.47 at 2:30 PM. How'd that happen? Diesel up to $3.88.
Diesel, 3.8999999999 and going,......up >:(
this morning 3.45]gal this afternoon 3.55/gal and the oil flow hasn't even been disrupted at all.
we should start takin side bets on when this summer it hits 5 bucks.
Diesel is one arm! And gas will cost you a leg! ................... 4.099 today for deisel gas is 3.499!!!!!
I was getting groceries today and noticed a sale sticker 4.99/lb on all chicken breast meat, everything in the display however was $8-10/lb. I asked where the sale chicken was and the meat guy said it was sold out, but were substituting another brand. So I said, I'll take it and he went and put sale labels on the tray. I walked further along and I see turkey half breast with bone in and skin, 2 lb trays. I see no label and I got a little cocky and said the meat guy musta got discourage with the high price and never put the label on. :D Meat is getting high, even pork is high and the pork farmers are still struggling. Paid about $16 for 3 lbs of chicken and over $12 for 2-1/2 lb of pork rib roast, $8 for 1-1/2 lbs of cross rib roast (beef). It's not that bad really when you look at what you get around these parts in a restaurant. Each of those roasts makes 4 or 5 meals for me and that chicken will last me over a month. I don't usually eat big portions of meat. I'm not really complaining. But, the grocery bill between two stores was $160 bucks (2 weeks grocery for me). I refuse to deny myself whatever food I want. And I buy mostly fresh stuff or frozen. And I have also decided I'm making all my own bread now. Made two loaves when I got home from shopping. 8) ;)
There now, finally after a gazillion pages of numbers, there it is...FOOD. :D
Item on tonight's news mentioned food prices are going up a lot. Production and transportation costs have to be passed on, truck and combine fuel ain't cheap..
I heard that some stations in Chicago are over the $4.00 mark >:(
Cowboy Bob had to raise the price per head to haul cattle. He's telling the farmers that if gas drops back to $3/gallon he'll lower the price to his old rate, but this is more than he can keep absorbing. No one is happy, but they do understand. It's the first raise in hauling he's had in five years, and it's not going in his pocket, it's going to the gas station.
$3.48 - $3.58 per gal. - regular - on my way to work this AM.
Regular $2
Vodka $65
/Litre.
Beside that my Jonsered 535 died the other day. :(
Swede.
Just filled up with reg at $3.50 a gal. The guy was waiting for me to leave as he was changing the price on my pump to $3.70.
Diesel tonight as I came home was $3.95.9 I could hardly believe it ! The most Ive ever paid was $4.85 the way its going we may see that again as summer comes on.
Was 3.95 for diesel at the cheapest store I'm town today. :o :o yikes
Memphis Low Fuel Prices, add .9 to the end of each. I don't know how they figure that out every time. ???
Gas Low $3.25
Mid $3.35
High $3.59
Diesel $3.59
Boy them arabs sure got us under them thumb don't they? Now they can tell us it is because old Mommor kadifi is on the way out is the reason fuel prices are so high, 125 yrs. ago it was because sperm whales were becoming scarce :D :D :D , I read about what swamp donkey is paying for something so simple as chicken, turkey & pork and all I can think it is a sad state of affairs for certain. So much of our money is going to these arabs and investors in oil futures, and all they have to do is turn the handle on the pump to let more out or turn it off. Hmmmm... there are only a limited amount of solutions to this problem and none are going to be easy to implement, but it would give me some satisfaction to see it happen in my lifetime. :) For me the solution is to reduce my consumption and figure out how to live without having to spend my time paying for petroleum. Things like raise my own FOOD! And enough for my neighbors too if they want some... I'm just waiting for some new technology to be developed that will make petroleum for the most part obsolete, and anyone who thinks that won't happen is 100% mistaken... that is if we can vote for people to run this country who don't stand to benefit from high petroleum prices :D :D :D
QuoteBoy them arabs sure got us under them thumb don't they?
I don't think it is that at all. Its the speculator that may live down the street from your or I or anywhere. If they can make more money gambling on the future of fuel then it costs them to buy their own personal fuel, then they could care less what it costs everyone else or how high it goes.
The question seems to be shifting from "what?" to "why?" I think we should leave this thread as it has been, simply a report of the fact, and create a new thread if someone wants to discuss the reasons. ;)
Quote from: DanG on March 06, 2011, 12:24:27 PM
The question seems to be shifting from "what?" to "why?" I think we should leave this thread as it has been, simply a report of the fact, and create a new thread if someone wants to discuss the reasons. ;)
I apologize for that Dan. Diesel is about $3.80 here and can be expected to keep climbing. What the price is though is really irrelevant unless we can to begin to discuss "WHY". This is not something we can control, it is something that at this time controls US, more that any one thing.
No apology necessary, it is a natural progression to ask why. I just can't offer any sort of reasonable answer without bringing politics into it, and this isn't the place for that. I've started a new thread on another board asking the question. ;)
We paid $3.99 for diesel in Ferndale WA today which is still cheaper than here.
$3.62 a gallon for regular gas in Oklahoma.
GF
$3.729 for diesel in Opel, Virginia - at least a $1.00 higher than it should be. :( :o :'( :( :o :'( :( :o :'(
Bruce
$4.10 for diesel here this morning in Ohio, they just said here on the local news gas may be as high as $5.00 this summer . I wonder where that will put diesel :o
I paid$3.94 a gallon for regular here yesterday...can't say much more than that. :-\
Diesel, $3.62 in Pryor, Ok. bg
Diesel has been holding at $3.98 in my area, higher along the interstate. During the summer, diesel generally holds with the high test gas prices. Right now, they are about 10¢ lower, but they went up last week and diesel didn't. I'm thinking the gas prices will come up to meet the diesel, while it holds steady for awhile. $5 gas would mean oil at about $125/bbl. Very possible.
Home heating oil will take a 4 or 5 cent a litre drop in a week or two because of winter blending tapering off.
We had a 3.4% increase in taxes (3% fuel tax and 13% HST on that tax) on fuel in this last budget in NB.
$3.859 today average in this area for regular! :-\
1.29 liter for reg gas, 1.30 liter clear diesel :(
3.70 here today for regular.
Here in western Illinois today (April 5)
$3.79 for regular.
$3.89 for diesel
On southern Van. Isle. $1.29/ltr for diesel or reg. Thats $4.89 a U.S. gal!! And our $$ is on par these days.
3.79 here in SE WI smiley_thumbsdown
Quote from: GF on July 08, 2005, 08:30:01 AM
Just curious what gas prices are in different areas across the U.S.
This morning in Okla its went from 203.9 to 219.9 in one day.
Diesel is 235.9
$1.29/liter in Southern Ontario.Ouch.
And in just 2 days, the price of high test has matched the diesel. Gas went up 10¢ so far this week. Diesel stayed the same. $3.699 for regular, $3.979 for diesel.
Diesel probably didn't move much because demand for stove oil is dropping. That happens every spring. Then watch it climb. :D
I paid $1.254/10/litre yesterday for regular gas here in western NB.
Our natural gas distribution cost is 15 times higher than in "Upper Canada" and it comes from right here. ::)
Regular $3.489, Road diesel $3.799 Fulton,MS today.
I paid 3.799 in Vero Beach today.
North and south of there the average was 3.879
i was in Weedsport NY today and gas was 3.89,when i got home to Ontario it was 1.26 a litre or4.788 if my math is right at 3.8 litres to the us gallon.
3.82 today, diesel was 3.92. Looks like gas is catching up?
Diesel 3.99 to 4.15
Reg Gas 3.75
Western Pa.
Raised it again. Diesel went up to $4.069 and regular went to $3.739. 15¢ in 6 days for gas.
Went up to 1.29/litre yesterday set by NBEUB regulation.
Gas - 3.39
Diesel - 3.99
1.284$/litre in Montréal today. 1.299$/litre here at the village
Marcel, I've noticed Drummondville quite a bit cheaper than the city.
Unleaded reg 3.75 and Diesel 4.29 :o :o
Ironwood
Unleaded regular $3.99/gal. here this afternoon.
Unleaded was 3.79 and diesel was at 3.99 a gallon this morning.
South central Michigan, Jackson County, it went up about 15 cents. Which coincides with the price per barrel falling 3%. :-[ >:( :( :'(
We are making the oil company stockholders very happy. :-\
Memphis, TN. @ Sam's Club
Gasoline
Reg $3.50
Mid $3.63
High $3.67
Diesel $3.77
Today: Diesel - $4.29/gal
Boy, this thread is getting depressing :(
This past week I took my 30 gal drum back to my oil distributor to get it refilled with AW 32 hydraulic oil. When I wrote the check I noticed the price was up slightly ($6.29 per gal vs. under $6.00 last time) and we had mutual complaint session about climbing oil prices. So I asked the guy if he was having any trouble with getting product and he laughed. Said there was oil inventory everywhere and lots of it.
I guess we have repealed the supply and demand rules for fuel and oil.
Saw diesel price of $4.159 yesterday.
$1.19.9/Litre here today...crazy I say. We make the DanG stuff...
Filled up my 20 litre jugs today at our local regular 91 is now @2.249 per litre. Anyone got mini woodgas plant plans so i can afford to run my mill?
I just worked it out that's US$ 6.776 for one US gallon >:(
$3.94 on Diesel here as of yesterday. I expect it'll be over $4.00 momentarily. :-\
4.15 for diesel 3.92 for regular!!!!! Trucking prices will have to be adjusted when mud season is over!
I wish someone could get locked up for what is happening to (us) fuel customers.
Regular Gas went to $3.99 at many places on the Illinois side of the Mississippi. On the Iowa side, I filled up yesterday for $3.65.
I've been told there is a 10 cent difference in tax between the two states. Can anyone confirm that?
People here would kill to only pay what you guys do south of the border. Our prices changed again last night (they are gov. regulated and change every thursday night).
Regular Unleaded $1.364/L Cdn or about $5.45/US gallon (in US $$)
Diesel $1.312/L Cdn or about $5.24/US gallon (in US $$)
It's gittin' crazy.....
4.179 for a gallon of diesel and 3.939 for regular u/l
I have a diesel Pickup on the way... :-\ :-\
Finally came to your senses and got a ford huh. ;D
$4.259 at the cheap Diesel place across the border... I'm just glad that after 1/4 million miles the TDI is still getting over 41 mpg.
Don't even want to think about what the (gas) Dakota is costing to drive. ::)
Off road Diesel is $3.49 per gallon. I gotta have it so it really doesn't matter. Makes me mad, but I still gotta have it. :-\
I thought Obama said he was going to do something about these speculators. :D :D
Remember the fuss when they took leaded gas away?
People with Hot Rods were upset.
This sign in Jensen Beach on Thursday 4/21/2011 reads Ethanol Free Unleaded 4.349
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/13635/1176/Ethanol_Free_Unleaded_at_434.jpg)
Quote from: Mooseherder on April 22, 2011, 05:57:39 PM
This sign in Jensen Beach on Thursday 4/21/2011 reads Ethanol Free Unleaded 4.349
I'll take 20 gallons of that for my mill saws!
Quote from: Raphael on April 22, 2011, 07:14:27 PM
Quote from: Mooseherder on April 22, 2011, 05:57:39 PM
This sign in Jensen Beach on Thursday 4/21/2011 reads Ethanol Free Unleaded 4.349
I'll take 20 gallons of that for my mill saws!
Quick Trip stations here have Super Unleaded / No Ethanol
It's usually just a cent or two higher than BP's Super U/L
It was 3.949 the udder day
That's all I burn in my mill and saws and mowers etc...
$200.00 usually fills the cans for a couple a weeks during the summer :-\
And no Norm I'm not getting a For.......Ugggh I can't even finish spelling it :D :D :D :D
Regular grade gas here in Russell is $4.03.9/gal.
It's easy to put $20.00 worth in a 5 gal. can now, don't even have to worry about running the can over! :-\
I've heard that soon they are going to be offering Gov't coupons for a gallon of gas. They look very much like a $5 bill. ::) ::)
:D :D Good One!
Ouch !!! I'm glad that they don't make $6.00 bills.....yet. :o
Hang in there guys, the Donald is gonna fix it!
Ole' Donald ... ;D He's stirring it up for sure. We need to lift the moratorium for drilling in the Gulf ASAP. Did you guys catch that special on CNBC the other night talking about the oil sands in Alberta. The CEO of Shell Oil Canada estimates there is 2 Trillion barrels of oil reserves there. That's 8 times the amount of reserves in Saudi Arabia, who is currently the largest producer and holder of traditional oil reserves. I don't remember my history too well. Why was it we (the USA) didn't take Canada way back in the early days of establishing this country? ::)
Quote from: LOGDOG on April 23, 2011, 09:08:25 AM
Why was it we (the USA) didn't take Canada way back in the early days of establishing this country? ::)
I think that we wanted our FF friends to have a nice place to live. :D :D :D
Isn't there also a huge untapped reserve under Western Louisiana/Eastern Texas? Maybe on the South end?
Quote from: LOGDOG on April 23, 2011, 09:08:25 AM
I don't remember my history too well. Why was it we (the USA) didn't take Canada way back in the early days of establishing this country? ::)
You tried, but you got your capital burnt down. :D
I almost think the Gulf thing has already been lifted from what the media reports up here.
Too much. $3.89 just for regular. Who ever is making all the profit won't be happy until the working man has no money to buy food with.
$3.99 in Fort Kent and $4.04 down in Caribou >:(
Your news as well as our is reporting part of the story . the ban is lifted but the admin. is not issuing permits
The west and east coast has had a 30 year ban. But the Obama moratorium was lifted in the Gulf in October. It's just that the bar has been lifted a notch higher.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2010/10/12/deepwater-oil-moratorium-drill.html
Is that when the judge lifted it and then the Obama administration went back after it again to shut it down for the second time?
Hey MM ... we would have still let our FF friends live up there. :) I just want access to the oil, hunting, fishing, timber, etc, etc just without the high prices. ;D
The oil play down in Eastern TX I think you're referring to is the Eagleford Shale. It's good but no where near the size of the Alberta oil sands. The Bakken Shale up in North Dakota and Montana is a pretty big deal as oil goes though. Supposed to be a little less that 5 Billion barrels of oil in that one. I think the U.S. Geological Survey Dept. said that it was the biggest oil reserve they had ever mapped in the lower 48 in U.S. history. There's also a new oil play brewing on the North line of Louisiana and South line of AR over by Pineywoods place. I think they're calling it the Brown Dense. They're leasing and drilling now. Before we know it Pineywoods is going to be driving a new Escalade and rolling on chrome d's. ;D Maybe not. But it'd be cool if he was sitting on top of it.
Just picked up a $120 and change of gas today. It was at a T&A station on I-94 for $3.88. Here in Jackson it's $3.99. I always take as many empty gas cans as I can when I travel outside of Jackson County. Today I filled the car and four cans. $3.00 saved at one fill up doesn't seem like much, but at the end of the year it adds up. I was not the only one with that idea. All twelve pump lines had a minimum four cars each. Constantly.
Yeah Logdog, I'm sittin right on top of a ridge that runs north to south right through the middle of the brown dense formation. They say it's a deep formation, below 10,000 feet. The leasing guys have already been here. They wanted the 40 where my house and mill sits real bad. We did alright on the lease, but I'm not holding my breath on the drilling. There's been 2 or 3 deep exploratory wells drilled within a few miles of me, but everybody's being real close-mouthed about the results. Probably don't want to drive up the lease prices. There's bunches of gas wells all around me, 5 on the place here. But they are all old shallow wells that are just about played out. In any case, I'm planning on keeping on driving a 93 Toyota pickup and sawin logs with a 95 manual woodmizer.
Regular is $4.05 and Diesel is anywhere from $4.05 to $4.15 a gallon in the northeastern part of Illinois. Down in Cook County, it is running about 20 cents a gallon higher with all of the added taxes. Just over the border in Wisconsin, it is about 10 cents a gallon cheaper. Gentlemen, those of you with welding knowledge and pickups might want to start doing some conversion work to the wood gas powered trucks.
We have an over abundance of natural gas and the customers on it right now are paying 15 times the distribution cost of other customers to the south and west. So having all your gas home doesn't drop the price, it sometimes raises it. :D :D
As far as I'm concerned it's illegal to over charge home to subsidize someone elese's costs. What say you? ;)
mrcaptain bob, $3 in my pocket is better than $3 in thier pockets. :D I do that with off road diesel here. In this area I think there is only one place that has a pump for off road. It's about 20-30¢ cheaper now.
Regular is now $4.18/gal here.
Diesel here today $4.40/gal. Will this ever end? :(
We hit $4.09 on Diesel today on one side of town and the other side was still at $3.94. Valero seems to be the cheapest consistently.
Pineywoods ....
That's awesome news. I knew you had to be real close to the Brown Dense. I'm following the progress of the wells that have been drilled. You want me to keep you in the loop? I hope you used a good exhibit document with your lease. It's all about the details. Congratulations! Somehow I knew you wouldn't be going for the Escalade. I'm still sawing on a 95 Woodmizer too. ;)
Hey what do you guys think about this Investigative Committee Obama has formed to investigate why oil and gas prices are going up? Uhhhhh ... can you say "devaluing the U.S. Dollar, drilling restrictions in the gulf, ....."? I don't think we need a committee to figure that one out.
Logdog ,you are spot on there. Not to mention the drilling leases that were pull after Obomba got into office . Like Forest said "Stupid is as stupid does"
Quote from: LOGDOG on April 24, 2011, 10:51:33 PM
Is that when the judge lifted it and then the Obama administration went back after it again to shut it down for the second time?
Don't think so because there was a news item just 4 days ago about it. The problem is, the bar has been raised a level in order to drill. It ain't status quo. Six permits have been issued according to this report.
http://www.cges.co.uk/resources/articles/2011/04/14/deep-water-drilling-resumes-in-the-gulf-of-mexico
BP has the go ahead to reopen 10 wells for this summer.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/apr/03/deepwater-horizon-bp-restarts-gulf-of-mexico-oil-exploration
SD ...
Six permits have been issued, though the US government has yet to remove completely the drilling moratorium imposed following the Macondo well blowout in April 2010.
.....and it also says in the first paragraph it's being done on a "project by project basis".
Now when you consider that there were 57 rigs drilling in the Gulf of Mexico when the BP well blew out and those were 57 rigs of the 347 total rigs being operated offshore globally, you're talking about pulling 1/6th of the world offshore oil production off the table. Now we're behind the curve with that lost production. Bringing 6 or even 16 of them back online isn't going to bring that curve back into place. We need to be drilling like we were and then some - pronto!
We also need to start edging up our interest rates gradually to show the world that we intend to protect the value of the dollar as the World's reserve currency. Strengthening the dollar would in itself bring oil prices down because that is the instrument by which oil is valued globally. Enough of this QE1 and QE2 bologna that's trying to inflate this economy.
It hit me as ironic last night that there in 2008 we experienced a visual hyperinflation where we literally saw prices on fuel, groceries, and pretty much anything that traveled via truck to the point that it became unsustainable. People just couldn't afford it and the bubble broke. Reflected by housing of course because when you have the choice of filling your gas tank and going to work to buy food so you and your family can eat OR pay your mortgage, well ...they opted not to pay their mortgage. So then we enter a period of severe deflation. Oil goes from $147.00 / barrel to the $30's, Nat Gas goes from $14.00/mcf to the $2.++'s , housing prices come down in areas that were overinflated, food prices come down. Now, after the deflation you could afford to run your household on the budget you may have had set up prior to 2008, if you had a job of course. Then the Fed comes along and decides we're going to bail out this one and that one with our tax dollars, then they're going to do round one of quantitative easing and then round two, all meant to re-inflate the economy. Well it's working, if you call driving prices on oil, gas, food, etc back up "working". How ironic is it that the Fed creates debt to buy debt (Treasuries) to artificially drive interest rates down to encourage people to borrow money that they otherwise wouldn't, so that they can re-inflate this economy back to the point where it's too expensive for those living on a fixed income to live?
QE2 ends June 30th. We'll see if they bring on a 3rd round. Let's hope not. If they do, look for the dollar to become even weaker and oil prices to go even higher. If they don't then we're likely to see interest rates begin to move upwards which would strengthen the dollar and bring commodites down.
All that "Committee" is that Obama is setting up is a dog and pony show for voters so he can say, "Yeah, and when gas prices rose above $4.00 I created this committee..." It's horse poo and a reflection of big government which is the last thing we need right now. It's happening right before our eyes and those who are willing to to see it for what it is will. There will always be those who won't.
Right here is part of the problem: http://www.usdebtclock.org/
Lack of drilling is the other part.
Went by a gas station this morning and the sign said $3.49 a gallon. The refinery is 3 miles down river.
Not only that but the obomba EPA just stuckit to Shell after 4years and several millions of dollars on leases and permiting working out regulation BS the
epa told them that they forgot to include the icebreakers in the emmisions report . So they pulled their permit for artic offshore drilling.
CNG is $1.75/gallon here. I'm considering adding CNG fumagation to my Ford Diesel. I read an article about a guy that did this with his Duramax diesel and is getting 38 mpg. It basically injects CNG in with your diesel and causes it to burn hotter/cleaner. If you're out in the boondocks where there is no CNG to re-fill your tank, you can run on diesel. Your mileage will just be what it was normally without CNG.
One other thing I left out as far as the causes for prices being high is "consumption". The USA is still 5% of the world's population using 25% of the world's oil supply. We drastically need legislation and tax incentives that would encourage the heavy truck traffic to convert to motors that use CNG or LNG. We have hundreds of years of supply right here in the USA and it would put U.S. citizens to work.
Just my two cents this morning.
Regular gas is 3.859 in Palm Beach County.
News reports yesterday said PBC were the highest in the State
Indian River county to the north of PB 70 miles is 3.749.
Martin and St. lucie counties are between these two.
They are at 3.94 ::)
Looks like there is a lot more leeway in regards to price permissions or county tax systems and faulty reporting going on.
I think they like this crisis myself.
Yesterday when I drove into a small town the regular gas was priced at $3.66. Two hours later when I passed back through that town, the price had jumped to $3.79. YIKES! Up thirteen cents in two hours, I knew I should've filled up on the way down instead of on the way home. ::)
1996 Bronco
26.44 gallons
$103.40
$3.91
ouch :o
Today it jumped to $4.11.9 for 87 octane!
Believe it or not, Diesel dropped back to $3.89 here and $3.94 from $4.09 a couple days ago.
Filled up the truck yesterday, the gauge read half, and a 5 gal. can, total 75 litres----106.00
1.41/9 litre :o :o :o
Cheers
pep
Ouch Pep! Ontario is beautiful but the fuel always has been high up there. Dang!
You must have a small tank on that truck. I put $100 in mine and it got me 1/2 a tank. :o
Nick
5 gallons of mid-grade for the saw was just about 30 bucks.
price as of this morning.......$1.62/L smiley_furious3 smiley_furious3
Quote from: fuzzybear on May 02, 2011, 05:49:16 PM
price as of this morning.......$1.62/L smiley_furious3 smiley_furious3
That equates to $6.50 US per US gallon. I thought that $4.15 a gallon was bad. There is one station in my area, northeastern Illinois, that is advertising Diesel at $4.08 a US gallon.
Filled up in Des Moines yesterday for $3.79 for the cheap stuff. That was in Iowa.
This morning, on the way to work I passed a Shell station that had $4.19 - $4.29 - $4.39. That is in Illinois.
Diesel is still under $4.00, but not by much.
4.29 here today.
Gas here went from $3.62 to 3.75 to $3.85 in two days. Sure am glad we killed Osama so the gas companies can have another reason to gouge us.
$1.29 L here :o :o
Paid $3.99 for diesel today here.
In Quebec its around 4.99$/gallon (1.32$/liter)
With our gas tax increase, I was surprised to be the same as Alberta. Monday I paid $1.29/litre. Goes up again tonight by a couple cents I think.
Off road Diesel cost me $3.49 today. I'm glad that the Lombardini sips.
Should see a bit of a dip in price the coming week since the crude price fell quite a bit. Our heating oil may drop 5 cents a litre tomorrow, that's 19 cents a gallon, maybe more.
So nice to see oil at $97/$98.00 this morning. Never thought I'd say that.... ::)
The weasels. That's the whole idea,get it up around $4 and than bring it down to $3.25-3.50 and we think it's a bargain.
"Conditioning" ...fuel prices aren't the only thing they're "conditioning" us to.... ::)
At the local rural garage unleaded 91 octane $2.269/litre. $2.219 in town.
$1.31 at the end of the block, $1.25 5 blocks down the road and it hits about $1.20 about 20 mins from me. I'm burning up around $500.00 a month for my business and then there's our road ventures so I'm well over $800.00 a month.
I personally think the prices are getting beyond stupid :-[
I read an article tonight online that said they expect gas prices will drop 50 cents per gallon in the next few months. They're expecting oil to head back to $80.00/barrel in the next few weeks. I'll believe it when I see it. Although, if the job numbers don't start improving it could pull prices down. Or for that matter, if one of these other countries that's been having currency problems ends up on the rocks with their currency again, the dollar could gain strength and that too could bring the price of oil down.
Gas prices will drop as POTUS elections get closer.
My uneducated guess would be that the price will fall. It's not sustainable with the way the economy is world wide. I think there are other countries in far worst shape. Ireland at one time was riding a wave, and I think the bottom has fallen out from under it these last couple years. I don't know what the Chinese are paying at the pump, but I bet it's crimping their middle class a bit. I don't hear much about Russia, but it seems that country needs a kick in the butt. All the riches that place holds and not knowing how to make it work. ::)
During the last few days, 87 octane has dropped 2¢ at the pumps!
It's a start!
Rumors are "it'll take a significant drop before Memorial Day"!
I say Wait and see!
Gas dropped $0.084/litre this week ($0.33 cents US gallon). From $1.328 to 1.244/litre. ;)
I was looking at propane this morning. The base price is $0.41/litre , wholesale margin is $0.25 and retail is $0.25/litre and $0.10/litre on delivery, plus all the compounded taxes on each of those steps. Here in NB it's all Irving owned. :D
1.45/9 L reg. unleaded
1.30/9 L diesel :(
cheers
pep
I'm finding it $3.79 steady here. Went to the big city,they still want 3.95 for it. Drove by one place and saw the paper the next day and they wanted 3.59. Never noticed it. ::) This was the same day we went to the big city too.
Diesel has dropped here to $3.76/ gallon at the Valero stations. Amazingly, many of the other stations are still charging $3.99/$3.94. I want to say regular unleaded was like $3.67 last night when I drove by the station.
Memphis TN
Gas Regular: 3.46
Mid-grade: 3.59
Premium: 3.69
Diesel: 3.75
Se MN diesel price 4.03 Gallon
87 octane 3.87 Gallon
Thinking that prices are unsustainable but that at the same time the petro companies are going to break our backs if we don't find a way to intruduce some competition into the fuel industries. I'm thinking that any kind of private industry such as our renewable fuels should not be hindered by legislation, and that the oil co's should be banned from buying controling shares of the ethanol and bio diesel stocks.
A jump to $4.19/gallon for regular gas here yesterday.
The 4 gas stations in town are all around a steady 3.69 for regular. They hate to bring it down any lower.
Road diesel $3.629, Regular at Murphy's (Walmart) with discount card $3.349 in Fulton MS. 15 Cents higher in Tupelo, 18 miles west of Fulton, Why?
We are still at $3.99 / Gal for regular her in Western Illinois. Our son from Des Moines visited this evening and was astounded at prices. He is paying $3.69 in Des Moines.
4.04 to 4.14 :( a 20 cent jump overnight ????????????????
Yeah, last Thursday it dropped 3 cents a litre, and Friday (next day) it went back up 3 cents/litre. Thursday this week it when up another 2 cents.
All it means is the casual driving gets cut back, but the working man/woman still has to go to work and pay every day. Always the working stiff taking to blow. But, I don't know if the casual driving gets cut back much, I still see folks who will go all the time, price don't mean a thing.
There is a big difference in Diesel prices along the eastern seaboard. ::)
Maine and Mass were at the 4 dollar mark while New Jersey was 3.69 and they pump it full service for you. I guess that is a requirement or law there. ???
Virginia south of D.C. Was holding proud at 4.19!
Just across the line in North Carolina the price drops to 3.67 but I had to pay 3.97 for
it a hundred miles down the road when It was needed in the same State.
I am a firm believer in profit not being a dirty word but something greasy is going on.
Does Jersey still makes her profit having to pay da pumpers?
Oh, and the tolls, or should I say trolls?
Ten dollars to cross the Delaware memorial bridge cause I have 6 tires. >:(
Yesterdat in Vancouver, BC unleaded was 1.36 per liter at a Husky station and was full service. bg
#1.38.9 today. Now the metro Vancouver mayors want to tack on another .02 to pay for public transit . The system is struggling with the volume it has and they want more riders. Makes me wanna gag, motorists are such easy targets.
$1.283/10/L here for self serve, price dropped this week a cent.
I kinda wonder about the price of gas. A big gas station about ½ hour from me is just about 10¢ more than we are. Been this way for more than a year now. We use to run the tank down when we knew we was going to the grand kids games or see the FIL. We went about 2 hours form here the other day,North, and passed a little small country store and they was cheaper than Augusta area. Gas is around $3.65 here,probably Augusta area is 3.73.
Got 100% gas at Shell today for 3.28 a gallon in Oklahoma.
GF
In spend and tax NY I paid $3.73.9 last fill. I took a trip to Ohio last weekend, paid $359.9 there both for 87 octane.
Maple must live in the cheap area of NY. ;) We are at $3.83 here >:( 20 miles south In Pa. It runs between .15 and .20 less. I deprive NY gas tax money several times a week.
In Fredericton Costco has driven the price down at their new store to win memberships. Some of the local pumps around there had to drop prices, but say they loose 4.5 cents a litre to compete. I wonder how long you can operate at a loss?
Murphy's with Walmart card regular $3.199 and road diesel $3.589 this morning in Fulton, MS
Just bought a diesel, now I'll be looking for best diesel prices. Saw 2 yesterday, 3.999 and another at 4.099. (I'm in tax and overspend New York) I'm thinking I might buy a big tank and get fuel delivered after maple season during it's traditional lowest price of the year. Just like I just bought 1600 gal home heating fuel on pre buy for my mother at $3.16 from my farm diesel supplier when the next lowest pre buy price was $3.599. My biggest problem will be large tank requirements. Over a certain size they now need a outer containment vessel and a roof.
$1.23 7/10/Litre here
The prices always go up faster than they come down.. Oil is now in the 70's per barrel. It ought to be coming down.
Three years ago when it dropped to $68 a barrel it was still $0.89/litre.
Went up to Rumford,Mexico about 40 minutes away and gas was $3.44,I filled up in town at 3.66. :o Read in todays paper there is a gas war going on and it's down to 3.38. The norm for gas is around 3.64 or so.
Quote from: Kansas on September 24, 2011, 08:34:19 AM
The prices always go up faster than they come down.. Oil is now in the 70's per barrel. It ought to be coming down.
That's very true Kansas! >:(
All they need to do on the news is mention that the gas prices
might go up and they will jump right away.
On the other hand when they start to drop they only drop a penny or 2 every few days.
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Yesterday the lowest gas price I saw in town was $3.71.9 for 87 octane! The others were around $3.79.9!
On the way back from the Southern Chapter fun day, I bought Reg south of Jackson, MS for $307.9, It is $3.199 in my area.
I can't figure out why gas is so much higher in Maine than down country, it's across the street from the refinery. ::) Maybe Maine gas tax is high, don't know.
Quote from: SwampDonkey on September 25, 2011, 06:03:55 AM
I can't figure out why gas is so much higher in Maine than down country, it's across the street from the refinery. ::) Maybe Maine gas tax is high, don't know.
close to $.50 per gal on gas .55 on deisel
I filled up the truck today in Norfolk, VA at the Wawa for $3.02 a gallon for Regular. "Cheapest" I've paid in months. It's still a ridiculous amount for a gallon of gas, though! smiley_furious3
What percentage of your hourly wage is a gallon of gas at $3 ??
10% 15% 20% 25% 30% ?? Just curious
need to get it back below 2 where it belongs.. that would be a good government stimulus!!!
Getting closer to 65% >:(
Depends if I'm working for myself cutting wood or working in a plant for someone else. :D
I don't see where the relationship of the price of gas is to the hourly wage, fuel and gas prices are just too dam high and they are running the economy into the ground. I have not heard of one single person to aprove of the prices that we are being charged at the pump..... not even the station owners.
Hard to tell around here if gas is high or not, because on a dead end road here 3 or 4 families tramp and tread continuously like it's just water, going nowhere and doing nothing. Not only that, one person per car and all going the same place. You'd have to live here to witness, because you'd think I was lying. :D
there is more to blame that just the gas prices for sure if we all started car pooling and using lots less fuel it would have to come down.
Carpooling to me is not an option , geographicly speaking it just not gonna work. All merchandise is moved by truck today, all of it, they all burn diesel. The more the fuel cost the more it needs to cost us, I don't see how car pooling will get that to be lowered. Car pooling may be part of the answer but IMO , it is a very small part. The economy and the buying power of the people are strangled by the high cost of fuel/gas.
Quote from: isawlogs on September 26, 2011, 06:57:03 PM
I don't see where the relationship of the price of gas is to the hourly wage, fuel and gas prices are just too dam high and they are running the economy into the ground. I have not heard of one single person to aprove of the prices that we are being charged at the pump..... not even the station owners.
Just that back in the 50's when we didn't think gas prices were high ($0.33 a gallon if no gas war going on) it was when $1/hour was many a working man's wage. Then gas was 1/3 of an hours wage.
I'm thinking comparing that to today's wages and just using $10 an hour, that the price for a gallon of gas hasn't changed since the days of "cheap" gas by very much.
True, we went through some years when gas price relative to wages was very cheap, and now not so much. Just sayin...;)
True , but then most merchandise was also moved by train at a much lower cost !!!!!
Payin 3.99 For Diesel, 3.57 for gas
Just filled up for the first time in my "new to me" diesel F 250, paid $4.089/gal. Not knowing how accurate the guage is on an '01, I stopped at the first station I saw with diesel. Sure shot a big hole in a $100 bill.
Paid 3.29 for gas and 3.66 for diesel today ;D
I filled up today. $3.32 per gallon for 87.
$1.22/litre here this week
Paid $2.99 at Columbia'Mo Tuesday, paid $3.14 thursday.
You might better just buy on Tuesdays. Get some extra cans if you can't last a week on the Tuesday fill up.
Average price for 100% gas in Oklahoma is running $3.76
Regular with 10% ethanol is $3.80 a gallon in New Richmond, Wisconsin 3/21/2012
$3.90 -3.95 around Madison, WI
4.25 for diesel gas i dont use it around 3.80
$3.99 -$4.19 here for diesel ... I think Reg. unleaded was $3.69 when I looked. CNG is $1.81.
Apparently, our Alberta oil would be $20 a barrel cheaper than what we currently use from overseas at the Irving refinery. But we only have pipeline as far as Montreal, as usual for us Maritimers. But I can't see why we would need it, we have Hybernia in Newfoundland, which would be cheaper to extract on an oil platform wouldn't it? But, the Irvings don't want cheap, we found this out in the 70's. That's when they became lavishly rich off oil speculations. By the time the oil got to shore in Saint John it may have have been traded 3 times.
Regular grade gas w/10% ethanol is $4.07 here in Russell! ::) :-\ :-X
Gasoline here is 8.86 American $ per gallon (3.78 liter to the gallon right?)
$4.45 - $4.65 / gal for Regular gas in San Francisco. Yikes!
Still under $4.00 / gal back home when I left last weekend.
It's no good anywhere.
$1.42/ltr or $5.38 per gal for diesel here, a few cents a liter cheaper for reg gas. I use a lot of diesel.
Jay
:D :D :D :D :D
Yesterday in south of Sweden: SEK 15,46/L.
1$=6,66SEK
1 Gal=3,785 L.
:'( Swede
Heard a guy on the radio saying ethanol is a curse. Lowers mileage and fowls up small engines. Well been hearing it for years from you guys. He lobbied against it before the Feds instituted a 10% content in regular. The oil barrens won of course. Cheaper to produce apparently, but the prices don't reflect it at the pump.
Another 2 cents a liter effective this morning in our area supposedly to help fund mass transit. Then another 1 cent carbon tax province wide on July 1. Easy to target us environmentally irresponsible fossil fuel users. >:(
Regular grade gas w/10% ethanol is $4.11 here in Russell!
Hope this climb stops soon! :-\
South eastern Wi. $3.94 - $4.11 - $4.19 this morning.
$3.92 for ethanol-free
Amazing, from the opening post, to the last post, the price of regular grade gasoline has more than doubled.
That's from Jul 2005, $2.039 - Apr 2012, $4.119!
What's next.
Diesel was 179.9 in April of 2004 in Florida.
That is when I had bought my truck and diesel was cheaper than regular gas.
Now diesel is at least a quarter more than regular.
Diesel was probably a lot less in States like South Carolina at that time. Probably close to 1.50 a gallon.
My times have changed.
It used to be your savings doubled every seven years. ::)
Now I just hope to keep mine for the next seven years.
It's due for a crash again like 2008 because we ain't much better off. But even in the depression, not everyone lost. The money in there someplace. Just now the truckers will be walking away from their rigs. And when they do it's going to hurt everyone.
Im not a super smart guy, nor a politiacl guy. There all crooked and should be ousted!!! with that said if Obama whats a shot at gettin in next term he better do something about the gas price. If he doesnt the republicans could put anyone up against him and their a shoe in!! Oh and gas is 4.05 in southern wisconsin.
$1.44.9/l for diesel tonight. 50 bucks gave me somewhat less than half a tank. An hour east $1.25/l, they don't pay the regional district tax. For the difference in price I can afford to make a run.
On Monday I filled the car @ 3.989/gal, today the same station was at 4.079. Last Friday I filled the truck, diesel was $4.349.It sure takes deep pockets to fill up these days.
Ethanol subsidized gasoline is $3.789/gal here tonite.. Diesel is closer to $4.
Here in NS we are now lucky enough to have THE highest average gasoline prices in the country according to an article in the newspaper. At the pumps across from my house the price is $1.449/L or about $5.49/US gallon assuming currencies at par.
The Finance Minister for our province was on TV last night doing a post budget interview and he said that the government has projected an average cost of $1.23/L for the next year ... i hope he has informed all of the oil companies, gasoline futures traders and speculators of this ::)
I don't know if anybody else pays attention to this or not, but even if our economy tanks again, we still might not see a drop in fuel prices. It turns out the United States' highest dollar rated export is, wait for it, gasoline as of the end of 2011...
http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/energy/story/2011-12-31/united-states-export/52298812/1
Tulsa, $3.46 a gallon regular last Saturday.
Regular grade gas w/10% ethanol is $4.159 here in Russell!
Jumped another $.04 today.
Bet it will drop just before election day. Any takers?
Seems they like to drop around 5-10¢ off the price for a few days to make people think it's dropped and then they jack it back up another 25!!
I have a feeling we'll never see anything less than $3 again..
According to the financial guru on tonight's news we ain't seen nothing yet. He figures $1.70/l is a very real possibility even as the price of crude is falling. The oil companies say it is a result of supply and demand as they are cutting production. >:(
The wife said someone on Facebook said gas in CA is $6. :o Is this true???? I got gas today,I think between $3.85-90. I forgot now. :( Was a liitle over 4 a few weeks ago.
Regular grade gas w/10% ethanol is $4.099 here in Russell!
Jumped $.07 about a week ago.
Still bet it will drop just before election day. Any takers?
It's over $4 from Houlton to Caribou, Maine. $5.50 here a US gallon.
4.179$\us gallon in Newport Vt, on thursday.
1,379$\cn litre yesterday in Castleman On.
Unleaded with 10% ethanol $3.46.9 in tulsa. Diesel $3.86.
We went to Bingham today,we did see just a little over $4 up there.
Yep ...$6.00 +/- in California.
In Louisiana ...
CNG= $1.75/Gallon
Reg. Unleaded= $3.43
Diesel= $3.83 at the cheapest, most are $4.19-$4.21.
The price of fuel in California must have something to do with their budget shortfalls. As long as the rest of us don't have to pay for their shortfalls I'm good with it. The problem is that mentality spreads east to infect like minded bureaucracy.
We've already been infected up here a long time ago. I think Cal. probably caught the bug up here. :D :D And Irving still shipping it by rail from Alberta $20 a barrel cheaper than from the Saudis. We had another big dig into the purse when the latest bunch got voted in to the legislature. The bunch before got us real deep in the hole, had to come from someone. ::)
After this over run with the Lepreau nuclear refurbishment, I see Quebec has decided to shut the doors on their oldest reactor. They have lots of hydro anyway and if memory serves me, Montreal is a declining population.
At least you have an excuse with all that free healthcare and all. :D
We grumble a little then change the topic to grumble some more. If it wasn't for the government lots of outfits would close up shop. They keep the money recirculating. ;)
I heard on the news that gas has hit a high in California of $4.61/gal. That's an avg price. It went up 47 cents this past week, due to a refinery shortage and another that lost power. National avg is $3.81.
Right around $3.75/gal at most places around here. I saw half a dozen stations selling at $3.57/gal in Annapolis, MD and on the other side of the bay bridge this past Thurs.
We haven't built a new refinery in the US in over 30 years.
When you have the reserve currency of the world, and when oil sales globally are settled in that currency, and you start printing that currency like there is no tomorrow....... this is what you get.
went to portland last nite the truck stop in gray on the pike gas was 4.17 diesel 4.25
Pump Fiction (http://www.cbc.ca/m/rich/news/story/2012/10/30/marketplace-premium-gas.html)
A ¼ mile up the road.....$3.42 a gallon.
4 miles down the road......$3.18.
8 miles North of me.......$2.99.
I'm thinking of paving over the yard. It might be cheaper than mowing it. :-\
Lots of folks have been going to rock bed gardens, not much fun to walk in I'm thinking, david
You don't have to mow moss! 8)
Come on up here to the great land of Nova Scotia ... regular gas is going for $1.297/litre ... equals roughly $5.00 / gallon
Diesel prices here at The Beach today range from $3.35 to $3.55 a gallon.
Lowest price for Regular is $3.25 a gallon.
3.65 for Regular in Palm Beach County today.
southern mo, 3.45 reg, 3.65 diesel, a few miles change but a good avg.
Fulton, MS. Regular $3.26, diesel $3.53. 15 miles west in Tupelo, 13 cents higher ???
Both are Shell convenience stores, SprintMart.
Eastern Ontario: Regular $1.143 per L ($4.34 per US gal - I think). Diesel $1.179 per L ($4.48 per US gal). Prices have been creeping down lately. Diesel was over $1.30 per litre this winter ($4.94 per US gal) and regular gas was around there too.
in roscoe ny gas 3.79 diesel 4.09 3miles down the road 3.79 gas 3.99 diesel
We are ~$3.30 for gas. I paid $2.99 for "off road" Diesel yesterday.
It's been $3.93 for diesel in SE Montana for awhile and I just fill up a couple cans of gas for the mill and saws.
A friend told me what he does is he buys himself an ice cream or milkshake to drink while filling up to distract himself and lessen the pain. :D
Allan
Just thought I would share my work around for this crap we are getting for gas here. I used to work as a contract/custom spray applicator in the earlier years as well as doing my own crop care needs. When looking for a "easy/clean" way to separate the ethanol from today's choice of gas, I remembered the chemical inductor tanks we used to use for mixing, blending and introducing chemicals prior to loading the spray rigs. These are available in as small as 10 gallon, all the way up to the larger 110 gallon cone bottom units. I called one of my past suppliers (GVM in Bigglerville, PA) and ordered up a 15 gallon cone bottom ($75) and also got the mating steel stand (a bit more than the tank) then the necessary couplings to come out the bottom and end up with a nipple capable of fitting a 3/4" nylon re-inforced hose to, to allow filling the gas containers back up.
I have been using this now for the past several weeks, following the suggestion of adding 2.5 oz. of water per gallon of gas being converted, mixing well for a bit and then allowing to settle out. Works like a charm and you can see the separation begin almost immediately. I let it sit for maybe 30 - 45 minutes and the draw off the water and ethanol. I then put the remaining fuel back in the gas cans to which I have added 1 - 2 oz of octane booster as well as a touch of marine grade stabil and an ounce of SeaFoam.
Works like a charm 8)
Cal
Yesterday, 87 gas was $3.65/gal.
In Canton, 15 miles North, $3.62/gal.
Quote from: Jeff on June 18, 2013, 09:42:08 AM
I'm thinking of paving over the yard. It might be cheaper than mowing it. :-\
When I posted this, gas had reached $4.19.9 a gallon here in town. Now, 5 days later, it is back down to $3.69.9. I hate being messed with!! >:( >:(
$3.739/gallon (e10). Should follow the stock market down.
Just got back from UK where diesel was $7.99 a gallon. we drove an Audi A4 Turbo that got right at 40 mpg and had plenty of juice.
Reg 3.739, Mid 3.839, Prem 3.939 yesterday in town.
91 octane NZD 2.32/litre = USD 1.83 or USD 7.34/gal
I paid $1.41.9 for diesel the other day, 91 octane was $1.66.9. :o Sure glad I'm not driving the 71 Coronet anymore although I miss that car. The gurus are blaming the spike on the uncertainty in Egypt, probably more of an excuse for price gouging than anything.
Gas went up yesterday. 145.9litre here in NE Ontario
Gas went up $.10, twice last week, I think it's $3.899/gal now.
I filled up yesterday, $3.21.9. I wish that they would get rid of that .9 and just go to whole cents.
They are advertising something that you can not buy. It's impossible to buy exactly one gallon of gas, because you do not have 9/10 of a cent to pay for it. :-\
Oh, if you are buying a gallon, you are paying the whole cent!
Gas is 3.259 here in Crimson Tide territory. Jumped from $3.049 to $3.199 to $3.259 in 4 days. When (if ever) have you seen the price go down that fast?
Quote from: grweldon on July 18, 2013, 11:55:13 AMOh, if you are buying a gallon, you are paying the whole cent!
Which means that you are getting a teaspoon more than a gallon.
Technically speaking, an exact gallon of gasoline is a product that if you could buy, you could not pay for.
Even the idea of a "gallon of gas" being a standard unit is a bit off. Measuring fuel by weight is more accurate (honest?) than measuring by volume. :)
Yep... after work I'm going to stop by the station and buy 60 pounds of gasoline!
Actually, it appears the density of gasoline is not an absolute like water, it varies with variants in the the refining process. "The density of gasoline ranges from 0.71–0.77 kg/l... with higher densities containing more aromatics" according to Wikipedia (no citation included) so it doesn't appear that buying by weight would be any more accurate as buying according to volume, even though volume changes with temperature.
I heard a news snippet this Morning that a Fuel Station in Oklahoma had broken the 2 dollar per gallon threshold and was at 1.99 per gallon. Riding around Palm Beach County this morning the prices range from 2.68 to a high of 3.09.
I doubt everything that went up during the fuel price increase comes back down even though it was the reason used for and by most businesses.
It felt pretty good yesterday when we were traveling home from Syracuse, we stopped in Watertown to fuel up and bought 87 octane gas for $2.999/gal.
The $1.99 per gal. only lasted for a little bit. Local it is $2.40. bg
Gas, $2.35, diesel $3.35 kinda crazy separation between the two around here,
All of the Southern states are predicted to drop below $2.00. We are paying ~$2.30 now.
Gas $2.79 diesel $3.99 some places $4.55
Gas is $2.55.
Paid $2.52 for 87 octane 10% ethanol today in Prattville, Alabama.
Average for Regular is about $2.59, although it is as low as $2.39 here in Tidewater.
On a history note, the national average was $1.86 the day Bush left office. Sure has gone up a bunch since then. I had a Dodge Neon in 1998, and I could not get $10 of gas into the tank.
I just filled up; $2.289.
Saw some gas for $2.46 in Clinton today.
drove around Houston this afternoon killing time till I needed to return the rental and catch my flight. Gas prices were all over the place. Anywhere from $2.35 to $3.00. Diesel prices from $3.11 to $3.85. As much as $0.50 difference from one side of the street to the other. Never seen anything like it.
LeeB
You prolly get extra fillers and water in the cheaper gas.
Brings the price down, as many will pull in to the cheapest price they find.
Got some diesel this morning for $3.19...
Filled up with 87 octane regular at $2.309 Yesterday. Shell
just filled up for 2.28 Love it.
Luckily I'm right on the sc line so I can sneak across pretty much unnoticed and get the cheaper gas, got it today for $2.29 ;D
I was griping today about paying 2.39 a gallon for gas, when my friend from Md. spoke up and said "How about paying 2.59 back home?? Taxes play a major role in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. :o
Quote from: reswire on December 06, 2014, 08:13:12 PM
I was griping today about paying 2.39 a gallon for gas, when my friend from Md. spoke up and said "How about paying 2.59 back home?? Taxes play a major role in the Peoples Republic of Maryland. :o
You think that's expensive, price has dropped to about £6 a gallon in the UK 9.4 dollars I believe.
we must be in the high rent district ;) 87 oct. $2.79
$1.99 Oklahoma City.
Quote from: red oaks lumber on December 08, 2014, 05:26:03 PM
we must be in the high rent district ;) 87 oct. $2.79
It's all about transportation costs. The further you are from South Texas the more it cost to transport the fuel so the price is higher.
Then there is the thing about different amounts of state gasoline taxes. State Gasoline Taxes (http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/mf.pdf)
Notice that Mississippi's taxes are 18.4 cents per gallon where Wisconsin's are 32.9.
I saw gas today for 2.29 per gallon. Cars were lined up everywhere, reminded me of the gas shortages of the 70's!
I think 2.90?? Now if all the other stuff would start to come down too. ::)
we have a regional refinery 70 miles away. one of the biggest in the upper midwest. ;)i think they just like us looking at our boots :)
Quote from: reswire on December 08, 2014, 06:52:20 PM
I saw gas today for 2.29 per gallon. Cars were lined up everywhere, reminded me of the gas shortages of the 70's!
Where was that?
Quote from: Magicman on December 08, 2014, 05:53:01 PM
Quote from: red oaks lumber on December 08, 2014, 05:26:03 PM
we must be in the high rent district ;) 87 oct. $2.79
It's all about transportation costs. The further you are from South Texas the more it cost to transport the fuel so the price is higher.
Then there is the thing about different amounts of state gasoline taxes. State Gasoline Taxes (http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/mf.pdf)
Notice that Mississippi's taxes are 18.4 cents per gallon where Wisconsin's are 32.9.
Got you all beat - good old California with 46.5 cent taxes! Highest in the nation ::) Stupid voters keep adding half cents every election to provide some benefit that the politicians promise :-X Cheapest is $2.65 now (Sacramento area) and holding steady this past week or two. I think we've seen the bottom. Big warnings come the first of the year. Our really stupid carbon sequestration crap to prevent climate change is predicted to add as much as $0.40/gallon. So long cheap gas!
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we must be in the high rent district ;) 87 oct. $2.79
It's all about transportation costs. The further you are from South Texas the more it cost to transport the fuel so the price is higher.
Then there is the thing about different amounts of state gasoline taxes. State Gasoline Taxes (http://www.taxadmin.org/fta/rate/mf.pdf)
Notice that Mississippi's taxes are 18.4 cents per gallon where Wisconsin's are 32.9.
Got you all beat - good old California with 46.5 cent taxes! Highest in the nation ::) Stupid voters keep adding half cents every election to provide some benefit that the politicians promise :-X Cheapest is $2.65 now (Sacramento area) and holding steady this past week or two. I think we've seen the bottom. Big warnings come the first of the year. Our really stupid carbon sequestration crap to prevent climate change is predicted to add as much as $0.40/gallon. So long cheap gas!
Well you figure out why PA is still well above $3 a gallon and we only have 40 some cents tax. Our tax at least goes to fix the worst roads in the nation if we give them another buck or 2 they may actually start on them :D
Quote from: jcbrotz on December 09, 2014, 04:20:40 AM
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Well you figure out why PA is still well above $3 a gallon and we only have 40 some cents tax. Our tax at least goes to fix the worst roads in the nation if we give them another buck or 2 they may actually start on them :D
Wait a minute, they tell us that California has the worst roads in the nation ::) :D :D I grew up back east, I know what bad roads are (pot holes that eat tires)! Out here, if it's a rough ride for a skateboard, its a bad road :D :D
but diesel is still 3.36. I guess they are sticking it to the truckers
A barrel of oil fell to 55.07 today. That's right at a dollar a gallon before refinery.
We should be seeing the savings soon. :D
$2.139 here for 87 octane.
Under a buck a liter outside the metro area, the local burghers stick us with a 17 cent tax to support the bloated inefficient public transit. Diesel is still over $1.30 which is an improvement but still hurts.
87 Octane gas in Russell is now $2.959
Cheaper than in Canton where there are about 10 gas stations. :)
Got it for $2.15 in Chesnee (sc ). I don't even pay attention to NC gas prices.
Unleaded $2.19 and Diesel $3.02. bg
2.099 - 87 octane... CoSpgs...
that 2.09 from this morning is now 2.03...
Ft Collins.. 1.91...
$2.39 here. I'll try and keep an eye on it.
Steady at $2.49 in Jax.
In Gatineau Qc. it is o.999¢\liter deisel was still 1,259$. We might get a small break yet for Christmas if this keeps going down.
$1.959 in parts of St Louis, MO.
94.9, 88.9 on the Rez. Diesel 112.9
2.05 regular unleaded
2.95 diesel
at Wal Mart in Meridian, MS
I heard it's a $1.79 in Blacksburg sc
Quote from: curdog on December 17, 2014, 10:30:46 PM
I heard it's a $1.79 in Blacksburg sc
They're always running deals over next to 85.
Wife paid $1.92 in Claremore, ok today.
Paid $2.22 for 87 octane and $2.92 diesel in Lexington, SC
Paid $2.16 today. 87 octane.
its finally starting to drop here $2.59 reg 87 octane
Gas $2.39 diesel $3.59
Happy birth day r o l
Paid 2.99 for on road diesel. Not sure about gasoline, 2.6something.
Quote from: ljohnsaw on December 09, 2014, 12:14:32 AM
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Cheapest is $2.65 now (Sacramento area) and holding steady this past week or two. I think we've seen the bottom.
I stand corrected :o Down to $2.45 :o
thanks goose63
1.95 in Joplin
Regular 87 octane $2.099, Road diesel $2.999. Shell in Fulton, MS. Murphy at WalMart is $1.999 for regular
$2.25 for Regular 87 in Western South Dakota today- I just hope it lasts(for a while, anyway).
Just spent the night at the shop updating the splitter for tomorrow. On my way home I glanced and couldn't believe my eyes. We are at $1.99 a gallon in my small little home town. Sucks though. I got everything filled up when it hit $2.09
91.5/L in Owen Sound Ontario where the south end of Georgian Bay meets lake Huron.
We are at $2.079 and have not broken the $2.00 mark yet. Some locations in the state have.
Just saw on space book where it's $193.9 in Springfield MO.
What the heck??? Gas went UP from 95.9 to between 1.00 and 1.06.9/l!!! Diesel went up a nickel. I wonder if the regional district upped the taxes. >:( Diesel is 116.9/l outside the metro area, I just might make a short road trip.
$2.919 here in Russell, $2.859 at Woody's in Hermon.
$2.039 down .04 from yesterday.
$2.18 at Sam's Club in Jax. Lowest I've seen in NC.
$2.46 I saw. News had $2.39 just about 10 minutes from the $2.46
2.97 this weeks diesel bill!
I paid $2.419 for 87 in southern NH this evening. Lowest I've seen, so far.
Jim Rogers
Today in Streator it was priced at 2.15 on the east side and 2.13 on the west side.
Finally bought some gas under $2.00, I got it for $1.98 in Chesnee sc.
Saw on the news this morning, $1.88 in Springfield MO, still a little over 2 bucks here,
Wife paid $1.84 yesterday for unleaded. I saw diesel Sat for 2.85. bg
Down to $2.57 here in NEPA, onroad is still $3.40ish. I filled the offroad tank it was 2.77 last week
Gotta fill the RAV4 up tomorrow. I hope that it is below two bucks, but then it will only hold about 9 gallons so......
MM, do you need a loan to fill that big tank up? bg
Price is still dropping like a pregnant rock, so I'm not filling up. I'm buying 10 gallons or less every time and when that's gone the price is even lower. :)
Just bought 87 @ $1.84 and diesel for $2.64. bg
The tanker truck was unloading this morning and I never fill up until the underground tank has had time to settle. It may change with this delivery, but the price was still $2.039.
Dropped to $1.98 here today , and just before a holiday . That hasn't happened since I don't know when .
finally dropped to $2.39 for reg 87 here. i thought about just holding the nozzle and letting it spray cuz it's so cheap :D :D
$1.99 for 87 octane here today, it almost seems cheap.
1.85 in Tulsa for 87 , buddy posted a pic of a gas pump in Ma. and the price for 87 was 1.68 . Just glad to see it down .
Dropped again today $1.88 gal
1.71 here today
$1.69 here in the corn field .
We filled up at Kroger today and used our accumulated fuel points to get an extra $1.05 off a gallon. Got 35 gallons at $1.00 per gallon! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) First time I've been able to do that in years. :)
Just after Chistmas the price was down to 1.66 well happy new year the price is 1.99 today
Seem like I saw $2.26 somewheres in Maine.
Filled up Friday in Davenport, IA. Pump price was $1.97 and I had points from local grocery chain which brought it down to $1.60. I thought that was low until reading others here.
Glad it is headed down but not sure for how long.
it's just hard to believe it took so long for the prices to come down, but now, below 2 bucks from Missouri to South Carolina and back,, just got to love it! Diesel is even below 3 bucks now a gallon here, $2.77 today
And still they drop, despite the prediction that the new CARB rules would add 40 cents or more come Jan 1. Down to $2.29!
Road diesel this am in Loxahatchee Florida.... $2.99. Gasbuddy app is my friend!
Just paid $2.29/gal here at the mom and pop market. Noticed it was $2.32 at a station I sometimes buy from when I'm out that way and $2.39 at the Maritimes in town.
Shell and Valero in my hometown in Oklahoma is $1.79 for 100% gasoline, and diesel $2.27. In some stations the E10 blend is $1.59.
1.68
On-road diesel 2.95, off-road 2.55/gal
Had to make a run to the airport to pick up my daughter from her trip. Topped off (1/2 tank) at $2.29 at one station. All the other "cheap" ones are now $2.35-2.45 I think its over :-\
Hanging around $2.23 here.
Paid $1.69 yesterday just south of St. Louis. Gonna go find me a big tank.
$2.11 reg. Unleaded. Sure is helping the wallet out.
NY....$2.69 and it's a good deal! :D Love it!
Got some yesterday in H.L. $2.09 its a few cents cheaper in town.
Here in Russell, 87oct gas was $2.72
Seems funny/odd to top off the tank and not hand the cashier $50.00+. 8)
Quote from: Chuck White on January 09, 2015, 02:30:45 PM
Here in Russell, 87oct gas was $2.72
Seems funny/odd to top off the tank and not hand the cashier $50.00+. 8)
Surprised that gas is that high in NY, but then it is NY. A buck more than other places reported here.
Paid $2.31 for diesel this morning. 10 miles down the road it was $2.95. I usually buy from the folks where it is $2.95, but for $20 diff on a tankful, I had to pass them by.
Shell regular with 3cent discount rewards card $1.889. Diesel is $2.669.
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Quote from: Chuck White on January 09, 2015, 02:30:45 PM
Here in Russell, 87oct gas was $2.72
Seems funny/odd to top off the tank and not hand the cashier $50.00+. 8)
Surprised that gas is that high in NY, but then it is NY. A buck more than other places reported here.
I've talked to distributers before, and they blame the high price on DELIVERY!
Gas is notably cheaper down around the Watertown, NY area. (50 miles south)
$1.68 for 87 unleaded at Wal/Mart if you use a master card from them. Diesel $2.59. bg
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Quote from: beenthere on January 09, 2015, 02:49:46 PM
Quote from: Chuck White on January 09, 2015, 02:30:45 PM
Here in Russell, 87oct gas was $2.72
Seems funny/odd to top off the tank and not hand the cashier $50.00+. 8)
Surprised that gas is that high in NY, but then it is NY. A buck more than other places reported here.
I've talked to distributers before, and they blame the high price on DELIVERY!
Gas is notably cheaper down around the Watertown, NY area. (50 miles south)
Pulaski down to Mexico is cheaper yet, then it ticks up towards Syracuse.
But NY is open for business.....we're told
1.58 today
0.96/litre here. Last time I remember when oil was $47/barrel, gas was 0.70/litre and $CDN was worth $US 0.67 . Must have had a few tax hikes on petroleum in the last 15 years. ::) I know the wholsale price here is $52.40 as of today before tax. Getting as bad as cigarette and booze tax, which I don't partake.
I got it for 1.83 for regular unleaded down the road in sc.
I paid $2.16 in southern NH yesterday, lowest so far..
Jim Rogers
Filled up this morning at $2.029, lowest so far here. Why do they always have to put that .029 or whatever on the end, just call it .03 ::)
We are paying less than 0.90/litre ($3.40/us gallon) for gas but on road diesel is nearly 30% higher. Have a hard time computing why there is such a difference.
Gas went down in Streator today to a more realistic $1.679. well OK $1.68
Saw $2.19 today just after I bought it up the road at $2.24. Road Diesel yesterday was $2.99 when everywhere else it's $3.10. Should have stopped off to buy Kero for the chipper instead....$2.59.....
Down to $2.679 here in Russell yesterday!
I saw 2.19 this morning for regular and 2.79 for diesel.
A station just a few miles away was at 3.49 for diesel.
At 70 cents more per gallon they are proud of their brand obviously.
A 35 gallon tank would save you 24.50 to shop around.
Gas is at 2.35. Kind of nice!
$2.349 for regular, $3.199 for diesel most places, but did see one place at $2.999 last week.
Paid $2.109 at a Mobil station not far from me yesterday, lowest they've ever been.
Jim Rogers
$1.79 a few miles down the road at the mom and pop gas station.
I paid $1.63 for unleaded today. Diesel was $2.50. Unleaded in Tulsa was $1.49 today. bg
Go Gas is $2.09. Hoping it goes to $1.99. I will fill up for the first time in a long time.
87 Oct. is $2.639 here in Russell today!
I saw diesel in Tulsa today for $2.34. Unleaded $1.58.
bg
Just paid $2.07
Jim Rogers
Paid 1.89 unleaded. And have seen it as high as 2.40 few miles away. They must have not got the memo yet.
Just paid $2.19 with a 3% cash-back credit card! Most stations charge 10 to 15 cents/gal to use credit, but not the one I use.
Just paid 1.699 / gallon at the Pilot station. Real nice to fill up the Grand Cherokee for only 32.00
$1.73 for regular unleaded. 8)
Paid $1.99 yesterday with my Irving Rewards 10cent discount! Wish I'd been filling the truck.... Diesel was at $2.99 and off-road for the tractor today was $2.39.....
That's good news for #2 fuel heating users. :)
8) $1.85 here 1/17/15 8)
1.67 this evening both at the Kum and Go on the highway and our new Walmart in town .
25 bucks got me 15 gallons
Went down to Austin Texas to pick up my new BBQ pit this week. Diesel prices ranged from $3.10 to $2.40. The big truck stops were charging at the high end. Couldn't believe that diesel prices were actually cheaper in Arkansas than Texas.
Regular unleaded is at a low of $1.739 a gallon and a high of $2.099 a gallon around Montgomery/Tuskegee, AL. In my travels, of course.
Is there such a thing as "leaded" gas on the market any more? I was under the impression that everything was unleaded except for aviation fuel. Just wondering...
$2.29 for diesel last nite at the truck stop in calias maine. the day before they said it was $3.17
Down the road.
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We are in Phoenix. You can buy gas for $1.76 per gallon out here. We were really getting screwed in PA at $2.46 a gallon.
JUST SAW IN THE PAPPER THE FEDS ARE GOING TO PUT ANOTHER TAX ON GAS HAS ANY ONE ELSE READ THE SAME >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Just looked , don't see it yet. Thank you present administration.................................... >:( >:(
filled up the mill for 12 bucks, 5 gallons, not sure I've seen it this low since owning the mill, I do like it, not sure on how much I will like the hike when it comes, and it will...
On road diesel was $2.339 today.
Finally broke the 2 dollar mark. $1.99 in Jax.
gas 2.55 on road diesel 3.04 in 03 when I got my first diesel truck it was 2.69
I paid $1.97 in southern NH this morning lowest yet.
Jim Rogers
Went to the little party store gas pumps yesterday went from 1.88 to 1.99 overnite
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Went to the little party store gas pumps yesterday went from 1.88 to 1.99 overnite
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Quote from: Bricklayer51 on January 25, 2015, 08:33:30 AM
Went to the little party store gas pumps yesterday went from 1.88 to 1.99 overnite
:o :o :o
To me, out here - NOT :o
I regularly see gas station prices change twice a day from 3 to 5 cents at a time. More often, 5 cents on the up swings, 2 or 3 cents on the down swings. One station is generally lower in the morning, goes up in the afternoon and then back down the next morning. Really? :-[ They aren't delivering that often to affect the price. Someone in HQ is sticking it to the commuters. Good price in the morning, I'm late for work, I'll catch it on the way home - then on the way home, ouch!
ljohnsaw
In WI, the price cannot change more than once per day. Maybe one reason that it became the law is to stop such wild price changes.
Although the big jumps up and little jumps down seem to be typical here too. ;)
Reg Gas here in Russell was $2.549 this morning!
I forget now what the 91 Oct. is, the price on it doesn't seem to move much! :-\
Ours took a little jump up to $2.84 yesterday.
But thats a huge improvement over the price 4 months ago. ;)
Stalled out at $2.01 at the handy mart.
Yesterday afternoon 87 oct was $2.519 here in Russell.
We're at 1.96 and holding (so far), not sure what diesel is.
Went up a nickel to $1.999
$1.77 in Cookeville TN this morning for reg.
Went to the party store this morning gas went from 1.99 yesterday to 2.19 . Still better than 4.00.
Up to 1.04.9/l here this morning, I hope this isn't a trend. It is a double edged sword for us, low oil prices have driven our dollar into the ground. Great for what little we export but goods coming in are killing us.
Dropped a penny to $2.00 at Handy Mart.
Seems to be settled around $2.30/gal around CNY. I filled my car from 1/8 tank to full today for $29!! 8) I can't remember doing that since I was probably about 16-18. 6 months ago the same gas I pumped today would have been at least $50, probably a little more. This can't last but sure is sweet for now! ;D
Quote from: sawguy21 on January 29, 2015, 10:21:23 PM
Up to 1.04.9/l here this morning, I hope this isn't a trend. It is a double edged sword for us, low oil prices have driven our dollar into the ground. Great for what little we export but goods coming in are killing us.
Wow, that's rough. Equates to about $4/gal. :-\ In 2012 my wife and I went to Ireland and IIRC gas was 2.38€/l! Crazy! Hope you get some relief soon.
I saw 1.10.9 in Vancouver this afternoon. :'( 1.14.9 for diesel
1.99 Washington NC
It's down to $2.479 here in Russell today.
Up .20 in the last two days
up 12cents in a week
gas has been under two dollars for several days around here. diesel is still quite a bit higher. i wonder why diesel and motor oil does not go down as much as gasoline. i have been considering a diesel but i wonder if i would save money with a diesel?
Diesel was $2.319 my last fill up.
Went to Las Cruces, NM yesterday. Filled my wife's car for $25 bucks, $1.559 at Sam's Club.
Quote from: easymoney on February 02, 2015, 11:26:22 PM
gas has been under two dollars for several days around here. diesel is still quite a bit higher. i wonder why diesel and motor oil does not go down as much as gasoline. i have been considering a diesel but i wonder if i would save money with a diesel?
If you're looking at a diesel to save money...forget it. Especially since the EPA decided that diesel fuel needed to be something other than a byproduct of producing gasoline.
If you're looking at a diesel to pull loads with, they can't be beat.
Jumped 10 cents up from $2.00 to $2.10 today.
Prices have gone up 10 to 12 cents this last week - Up to $2.19 now They are blaming it on the Iron Workers going on strike and one of the refineries shut down in Southern California. Somehow that affects us up north...
Really, you can't keep a refinery running without iron workers??? I could see boiler tenders and chemists being needed all the time, but...
they have to blame it on some thing ;D
By tomorrow, it will have jumped ten cents higher than it was a week ago here at The Beach. Knew it was too good to last. The economy is going to head the opposite direction I will guess. The price of oil drives everything.
Up .14 since Monday.
Still going up from 2.19 yesterday 2.35 today.
Up 2 cents today. $2.12. :(
Up $.06 to $1.79 in sc and up $.10 to $2.09 in nc.
We just got below $2 here. Filled up for 1.959 yesterday. I don't know if it bottomed out below that, since we don't drive much anymore. The last tank lasted 2 weeks. :)
It is going down from 2.35 to 2.33.
Shell price went up from $1.879 last Sunday to $2.059 today. Murphy USA from $1.849 to $2.019 today.
boy it shur takes a long time for it to go down at the pump BUT don't take vary long to go UP ;D
2.09 wichita kansas
Quote from: coxy on February 08, 2015, 01:18:51 PM
boy it shur takes a long time for it to go down at the pump BUT don't take vary long to go UP ;D
Got that right! Was $2.05 two weeks ago, now its $2.39. Just doesn't seem right >:(
The oil companies are really putting the pressure on with cut back and layoffs to force the prices back up. Artificially based prices are a double edged sword.
Still slowing coming down from 2.33 to 2.26
Got as low as $1.91 at some stations. Took 7-10 days to come back to $2.29 yesterday when I filled up. Don't see anything different on the global scene - as much chaos as when the price was coming down. Perhaps the OIL companies said enough of this and raised price of raw materials - their margins are only in the hundreds of millions, not billions right now! The price has to be high enough to support the new technology being used in extracting the "tough oil", that's their line, not mine. And "someone" doesn't like Alaska right now, or the Keystone project. The Saudi's love that tact. How long until we rely on foreign oil again?
Keep seeing various articles about the oil prices staying down on a global basis.
One is this one..
http://gcaptain.com/worlds-biggest-oil-trader-says-slump-resume-u-s-supply-grows-dramatically/
Another, can't put my finger on it, where the saudi's were dropping their price to keep attracting their oil business in the Asia countries and maintain market share.
Found it:
http://gcaptain.com/saudi-arabia-cuts-oil-prices-fight-asian-market-share/
This gcaptain site is a very interesting one on world wide shipping news with plenty of pics.
One recent article on a car ferry that went aground, and listed badly. Finally managed to get it upright, and to a port to offload the "cargo" of luxury cars and the debate now is "junk them or repair them".
The Saudis can't lay all the blame on the US shale play for the oil surplus. They have been upping their production too and have been carrying out an extensive workover and drilling program for the last few years to maintain and increase their own productivity. The drop in prices isn't all golden for them either. They are now trying to renegotiate prices with the drilling contractors on long term contracts. I don't have any hard numbers to back this up. Only what I have seen while working in the region.
I hope I am wrong, but I expect prices for regular to rise to about $4.50/Gal when is all said and done. I filled up in GA on Saturday for less than $2. Last night in Florida it was 2.38.
Going up and up to $2.17 at the handy mart.
I just filled up; $1.989.
It changes every couple days up or down. I was at the party store yesterday they had just dropped it to 2.33.
Currently up around $2.399, where we were at around $2.129 two weeks ago.
Ethanol Gas is $1.969 and good Non-Ethanol Gas is $2.299
Jumped 5 cents to $2.22.
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Quote from: coxy on February 08, 2015, 01:18:51 PM
boy it shur takes a long time for it to go down at the pump BUT don't take vary long to go UP ;D
Got that right! Was $2.05 two weeks ago, now its $2.39. Just doesn't seem right >:(
Another 10 days and its up to $2.56 :(
Dropped a nickel over the weekend to $2.23. Had been $2.28.
I though it was going to go back up but it has dropped a few cents here as well.
Jim Rogers
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Quote from: coxy on February 08, 2015, 01:18:51 PM
boy it shur takes a long time for it to go down at the pump BUT don't take vary long to go UP ;D
Got that right! Was $2.05 two weeks ago, now its $2.39. Just doesn't seem right >:(
Another 10 days and its up to $2.56 :(
We seemed to have topped out at $3.09 about a week or so ago. Sat there a week but now its "down" to $2.93. Will it be another long slide down??? :-\
in my town its 269 in the other town 8miles away same guy owns both stations 257 diesel is 319 in the other town in my town 349 go figure
Paid 2.72 on my irving card for diesel last week! Its 3.39 or so on the pump last week!
1.08 a liter x 4.5 for members south of the border
Paid $2.47 for diesel this morning. Gas was $2.19.
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Quote from: ljohnsaw on February 08, 2015, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: coxy on February 08, 2015, 01:18:51 PM
boy it shur takes a long time for it to go down at the pump BUT don't take vary long to go UP ;D
Got that right! Was $2.05 two weeks ago, now its $2.39. Just doesn't seem right >:(
Another 10 days and its up to $2.56 :(
We seemed to have topped out at $3.09 about a week or so ago. Sat there a week but now its "down" to $2.93. Will it be another long slide down??? :-\
Just saw regular for $2.79. Diesel is the around $2.79 as well!
Got some $1.99 gas at the Skippers, Va exit this week.
3 buck a gallon in southern cal,, brutal, ready to get back home, nuff said,
Our new government jumped our fuel tax again with their first annual budget, so it added 3 cents to a litre. I'd say the feds added a lot of tax the last few years to. The last time oil was $48 a barrel gas was 79 cents a litre before Katrina. Now that that hike has been seen as a sham (even at the time) and prices settled back we see taxes have added 30 cents to gas. People that don't get gas and tax rebates for working expense will continue to cross to Maine for their leisure driving gas. $2.49/gal in Houlton, Maine.
Shell $2.079 last few days, Murphy at WalMart is $2.049
our gas is 2.699 on road fuel is 2.999
2.36 Reg Gas, 2.56 Diesel
$2.55 - 2.69 for E-10, $3.20 for non-ethanol 93 octane.
Got it for $2.21 for regular across the line in SC this morning
Here in Russell, Canton & Potsdam the average price for 87 octane gas is $2.929
Cry over this for a while. Bethel Alaska home heating oil $6.67, car gas $6.70.
Gas 2.65 road fuel 2.58
Roughly $1.41 per litre or $5.33 per Gallon
Been bumping up and down 10 cents a day - cheapest is running $3.09 regular/gallon. A month ago we dipped to $2.89 for a week or two.
$1.14.9/L for diesel here, last week it was $1.32.9 in Vancouver thanks to Translink, the metropolitan transit authority. Fortunately I didn't need to fill there.
We are hovering around $2.499 here. I hope that the prices hold for our Pig Roast trip. ;D
2.21 yesterday morning at noon it had jumped to 2.79 ;D
1.21 liter for regular x 4.5
Down to $2.48. Eo is $3.15
Well....... gas prices finally turned downward a little, went from $2.929 to $2.879 here in Russell. 8)
It's a start! ::)
Average price around VA Beach this week has been about $2.55 for regular. Still much too high. ::)
$2.39 in Clinton, North Carolina.
I just paid 2.54 in HL in town 2.52
Quote from: clww on July 19, 2015, 10:53:56 AM
Average price around VA Beach this week has been about $2.55 for regular. Still much too high. ::)
Man, I would do just about anything for that price! Ours is "down" to $3.19 :-[
Ours has dropped into the $2.30's which is good for me but bad for a Grandson that worked offshore but is now laid off. :-\
Diesel, at the corner gas station is $3.27 a gallon, but a lot of places have it now for just under $3.00. Interestingly, I haven't filled my bulk tank for years and called a couple places for a price. At 500 gallons it's $2.60 a gallon, and at 600 gallons it drops to $2.20. So I guess it's time to fill our 550 gallon tank back up, and the log loader, the bobcats, the excavator, and lawn mower... I should have checked sooner. I just didn't feel like gambling that the price would drop as soon as I bought it. Last time I checked bulk fuel was as much as I could buy it at the corner store. Sure will be nice to stop using 5 gallon jugs...
I bought diesel yesterday evening for $2.19. Unleaded was $2.37. bg
Regular $2.19 in south east Texas 8)
On the way down in my area. I paid $2.449 today.
Jim Rogers
Diesel $2.29
87 Octane is $2.779 in Russell, Canton & Potsdam it's $.02 cheaper.
$1.97 here.
The price for regular gas jumped from 2.599 yesterday to 3.439 this AM. The excuse is that some refinery in the Midwest broke down or something. I think it's the end of the summer tourist season myself. At least diesel stayed at 2.699.
Average lowest around The Beach right now for Regular is somewhere around $2.32. I think I read on GasBuddy that SC is overall lowest in the US right now.
$2.09 for regular unleaded around the corner in sc 8)
Regular unleaded $3.35 here in Anchorage...
279.9 reg gas 279.9 diesel here I saw in pa on rt 191 that off road was 239.9
Corley5,my spelling is not the best,but I think I spelled GREED right? ::)
Yup, that's right
Was $2.39 on Monday, $2.99 today... Something about refinery maintance. I call BS!
Quote from: coxy on August 13, 2015, 05:32:11 AM
279.9 reg gas 279.9 diesel here I saw in pa on rt 191 that off road was 239.9
Troublesome to learn that one refinery has a maintenance problem and it affects the fuel supply (and prices) immediately in five states (MI, IN, IL, OH, WI were named and the refinery is a BP in Indiana).
Wouldn't take a rocket scientist long to figure out where that weak spot is in the belly of a big country and its infrastructure.
Our prices have jumped 60 cents a gallon in less than two days.
And I agree, it is GREED.
We paid 2.699 in Michigan and 2.029 in Tennessee. Most of the time we found gas in the lower range between the two.
At least when they get that refinery in the midwest up and going the price will come back down. ::) :(
I filled up 2 days ago in Port Arthur, Tx. at $2.18 a gallon. Good for me, but not for my son, a trucker hauling crude oil.
Yup, the lower fuel prices are not good for my Grandson either. He has not been called to come back to work for a couple of weeks. :-\
Paid CDN$ 116.4 per liter here in Mt. Pearl, Newfoundland, Canada today. Paid total of CDN$ 75.11 to fill our Nissan Altima with 64.5 liters.
Herb
2.99 in hl this morning
Here is a link to a feeble attempt to cover up what happened to cause the price spike. We are at the mercy of those who just decide to cover their behinds and not risk getting caught with less profit.
Indiana refinery breakdown (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-11/one-indiana-refinery-breakdown-ripples-through-u-s-oil-market)
diesel was 2.67 this am
I have seen Diesel and gasoline the same price a few times lately.
Today I saw gas for $2.09 and diesel for $2.37. Also to the point I can start driving the Ford diesel!
gaser 10miles per gal diesel 22 miles pre gal gas 2.57 a gal diesel 2.67 a gal still cheaper to run the diesel figure I pay 1.33 a gal
Diesel yesterday here was $2.13. Now I like that. bg
Gas 2.64 Diesel 2.44
Quote from: Magicman on August 14, 2015, 08:10:51 PM
I have seen Diesel and gasoline the same price a few times lately.
I saw this at a station locally today for the first time. Remember when diesel used to be really cheap? And kerosene the same way?
For highway Diesel I just paid $2.849, the lowest by far in years, and a week ago, when I picked up a replacement 150 gal. farm diesel tank (the old one had rust in it and I replaced it before I had a major leak) and I was told that farm diesel had just dropped to $2.099 that morning. Unfortunately, both of my tanks are too full to take advantage of the good prices. My 150 gal tank is only down about 9", and my 300 gal tank at another location is only down 8". They won't deliver less than 100 gal, there is a hefty surcharge if you order and they can't fit at least 100 gal.
Today gas in our area is $1.959. Diesel $2.059. I like it. bg
Today in Rock Hill S.C., gas was the lowest in the country....$1.67.
I have 2.49 in my area. Drive about 45 minutes to the west,South Paris and I paid 2.27.
Quote from: POSTONLT40HD on August 29, 2015, 09:02:28 PM
Today in Rock Hill S.C., gas was the lowest in the country....$1.67.
:( Just paid $2.73 for regular out here. Diesel is down to $2.49
I have always been puzzled as to why fuel prices always end in 9/10 of a cent. Who started that anyways? It doesn't fool anyone.
Yep, as advertised, it is impossible to buy exactly one gallon because you could not pay for it. I have wished for many years that they would get rid of the farce.
If the IRS can round up or down to even dollars, why can't fuel be rounded to even cents and get rid of the 9/10.
Lynn, just think, they would have to reinvent the gas pump to get ride of the extra digit. bg
Regular $2.02, Diesel, $2.20
$2.11 and dropping daily. :laugh:
Down to 2.39 in hl this morning.
Paid $1.95 for E-10, this past Friday.
$1.99 reg
Just paid $1.85 in Bossier city Louisiana.
Gas is $1.70 in Rock Hill, S.C.
Regular 87 octane is priced at $2.659 here in Russell.
Quote from: maple flats on August 30, 2015, 08:48:13 AM
I have always been puzzled as to why fuel prices always end in 9/10 of a cent. Who started that anyways? It doesn't fool anyone.
True or not, I don't know but I was told years ago that the 9/10 was added to eleviate gas station attendants from fudging with the till or with the tanks to maybe get a little free gas or a few $$$.
Here's a link to what seems to be a fairly good explanation, as it starts back to the 30's when fuel was 10 cents a gallon and the feds adding tax.
Why the 9/10 cents ? (http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/04/gas-pricers-get-set-prices-ending-910ths-cent-nothing-else-priced-way/)
Quote from: beenthere on September 05, 2015, 04:28:31 PM
Here's a link to what seems to be a fairly good explanation, as it starts back to the 30's when fuel was 10 cents a gallon and the feds adding tax.
Why the 9/10 cents ? (http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2015/04/gas-pricers-get-set-prices-ending-910ths-cent-nothing-else-priced-way/)
Interesting, and thanks - I just lost 2 hours of my life learning a bunch of stuff today! :D
One of our news stations said gas prices were the lowest in 11 years. I filled up today for $2.49. When I searched back through this thread I found gas well below $2.00 / gal in late 2008.
Trying to figure how they can claim this is the lowest price in 11 years. Any ideas from the rest of you?
$2.149 in Hillsborough, NC
87 octane is priced at $2.639 here in Russell, dropped another $.02 yesterday afternoon.
Still though, I wonder why the 91 octane hasn't dropped even a penny yet! :-\
On the Canadian border in northern Maine regular yesterday was 2.53 and diesel at 2.54. Must be a big difference in State taxes per gallon or profiteering going on.
On the Canadian border in south eastern BC/NW Montana
Eureka MT - reg gas at 2.71 and diesel at 2.67
75 miles north here in BC [quoted in USD] reg at 5.85 Diesel at 5.45 and farm marked diesel at 4.66.
The BC provincial tax and carbon tax is about .80 cents per gallon which is exempt for someone with farm certification.
Price fixing and government taxes - I call it "pigs at the trough", both corporate greed and a government tax grab.
Tom
Shot up up from $2.02 to $2.19 today. >:(
87 octane is priced at $2.519 here in Russell, dropped 3 days ago.
Even the 91 octane has dropped I think $.11!
Gas war in Houghton Lake. Paid 1.40 this morning?
I think if I was you Jeff, I'd go buy a thousand gallon tank, today!
Yea, if gas was any good after two weeks it might be something to think about.
Think "Stabil" Jeff :D
There is a law in WI that won't let a gas war happen. Apparently been on the books since 1939. An attempt in 1986 to take it off the books apparently failed as it seems to be still in effect.
QuoteThe law mandates at least a 6 percent mark-up on gasoline and prohibits sales of gas below cost.
Another law won't allow more than one price change per day.
Quote from: sandhills on September 24, 2015, 01:17:10 PM
Think "Stabil" Jeff :D
Then what would be the savings? Invest in a tank, buy enough Sta-bil, ... lose plenty to evaporation, get tank condensation... ??
And would "Sta-bil" really protect your investment?
I suspect this gas has 10% ethanol in it, and Sta-bil would just be an added expense ($100 to put Sta-bil Storage in 1000 gal that is good for 12 months).
Edit: Just re-read this and didn't mean for it to sound so DanG negative... just questions that come to mind. ;)
Gas wars used to really be something back when I was stationed at Abilene, TX.
I've bought gas at the time (1970-1972) for as little as $.10/gal!
Just paid $2.47 for regular. Prices have been sliding about 2 cents a week - woo whoo :-\
$2.21 to $2.59 depending on location in town and owner. I remember pumping gas in 1971. Union 76, octane of 102+ I believe (or was it 104?) for 27 cents a gal. I think it was the most expensize gas at the time. I did like washing windows though ;D.
My dad had 3 Texaco stations and a Sinclair station in the late 60's. Lowest price I remember was $0.18. One of the Texaco and the Sinclair were across the street from each other and he had gas wars with himself. Texaco made him sell the Sinclair and then he lost all of them when my mom had some major hospital bills. We were living in Singapore in 68-71 so I don't know what prices were at home then.
Went to hl yesterday gas was 2.19 Tuesday 2.49 yesterday.
No worries beenthere, I was just being a smart ash about the Stabil, you did raise some points I hadn't thought of though with evaporation, and condensation. I just use gas too much apparently, it doesn't have enough time to evaporate :D.
Shell is $1.899, Murphy at WalMart is $1.87 I also saw diesel at $2.229
Diesel was 2.27 Tuesday when I was "down the hill".
Gas was...I think 2.40.
Why is fuel always higher the closer you get to a refinery???
Paid $1.76 at the local grocery store. Cost is the same at Walmart here in Athens, TN.
$1.909 here at WalMart.
$1.83 for regular, $2.29 diesel, $3.09 ethanol free (I use in my boat(s) and 2 cycle applications)
2.25 in mid Michigan today.
Quote from: ljohnsaw on September 24, 2015, 03:12:22 PM
Just paid $2.47 for regular. Prices have been sliding about 2 cents a week - woo whoo :-\
A month later and down to $2.44 ::)
I didn't pay attention to price but today I filled up the truck with diesel, 35 gal, and a 55 gal drum with gas, $197. I was expecting it to be way more than that.
Well we are down to 3.06 for regular and 3.11 for diesel.
gas 2.399 its the lowest iv seen in years 8) 8) 8) 8)
Been $2.479 for 87 octane here in Russell for about the last 2 weeks!
Down to 2.32 in HL yesterday have to go to the va in town it should be two or three cents less.
It has been at $2.07 for a few weeks and just dropped to $2.05 recently.
Jim Rogers
Diesel was 2.26 in Vero Beach Fl. with debit card. 2.16 if you paid cash.
Regular was at 2.08.
Palm Beach Diesel is 2.47
I got regular for $1.83 yesterday around the corner in sc.
2.21 in hl yesterday today 2.49.
In Southern NH I paid $2.039 last time I got some.
Jim Rogers
Jumped today from 2.09 to 2.39 >:(
1.97 yesterday in Ok. Saw it cheaper after we bought it too !
I filled up @ $1.889 yesterday.
Still $2.389 here in Russell.
chuck it costs more to get the gas to you :D :D
That's what they say! :-\
Jumped from 1.94 to 2.15 yesterday. bs
Went UP $.07 today, $2.459! :-\ ::)
Went to Lowe's this evening, and saw it for a $1.79 (south carolina ).
$2.19 or $2.09 depending on station
Ours bumped up to $2.029.
Today......the news said Rock Hill, S.C. has the lowest prices in the country.
$1.63 gas $1.87 Diesel
Last I paid in Southern NH was $1.919
Jim Rogers
Tulsa, Ok, unleaded $1.56. bg
Here in Russell, it's $2.359!
I just filled up with offroad #2 and it was $1.90/gal
Quote from: 4x4American on December 22, 2015, 05:02:46 PM
I just filled up with offroad #2 and it was $1.90/gal
Do you run off road in your truck?
No but I run offroad in my sawmill and tractor. If I did that it'd be just my luck I'd be driving by a DOT with my gooseneck on and no cdl overloaded and they'd dip the tank and really give it to me!
Quote from: 4x4American on December 22, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
No but I run offroad in my sawmill and tractor. If I did that it'd be just my luck I'd be driving by a DOT with my gooseneck on and no cdl overloaded and they'd dip the tank and really give it to me!
:D :D :D
1.76 for gas at BJs in maine with there credit card, 1.91 without. I use card each time I am near them. On road diesel was 1.99 last week at irvings in maine. That is on there card.. I use it and it comes out of my checking each week.
:( Was $2.09 yesterday and now is $2.19. Probably up another nickle tomorrow.
I don't even look when I pass the gas station here, but down the hill diesel is $2.09 and regular unleaded was $1.85.
It seems like the closer you are to a refinery the higher the price. :o
I find there is quite a disparity here in the pricing scheme. Here we are at $36/barrel and price at the pump is $0.97/litre. When oil was $125/barrel the price for gas was $125/litre. The game is rigged, always will be. Gasoline is a commodity just like oil is. Oil price influences it, but it is not a direct relationship as the refiners are making more profit now since the margin between oil and gas is so much higher. The last time oil was this price, gas was 20 cents a litre cheaper. But, everyone forgets that here in NB the gas tax has been increased 5% in total by two consecutive governments. >:( :-X Yes we are paying for services, but in my case someone else is getting them.
87 octane gas here in central Alabama is around $1.72-$1.75/gallon.
Low-sulfur diesel is about $2.19/gallon.
Prices fluctuate a few cents upward every so often...
I think 93 octane was around $1.97 at Costco the other day when i filled up. i only noticed because i couldn't remember the last time i saw premium under $2 (and that's with a credit card). I remember a while back when it was in the $4.50 range and my daily commute was costing me a fortune. Incredible swing.
Hope the next car i pick up isn't a turbo so i can skip the 93 octane.
Here's a related question - what is the largest difference you have seen at a station between cash and credit? They just put in a new Shell station by a new Walmart (there are other stations in the area, including a cheap ARCO). The first time I drove by, I thought I miss-read it. Nope. Twenty (20) cents more per gallon for credit! And they are also 10 to 50 cents higher than the neighbors! That's insane.
The most I've seen around here is $.05 difference!
You don't get any discount here for cash, on nothing. The only place you could is if your not dealing with corporations. Their price is set in stone. Good heavens it becomes complicated you know. ::)
I forget what the typical cash/credit difference is around here in northern NJ... i think it's something like $0.10 or $0.15 ?
I think Costco only accepts their own American Express credit card or a debit card. They only list 1 price.
IIRC, in WI there is a law that the price can't be different between cash and cc. Now do think they can refuse some cc's if they are too expensive to carry. And used to be that AmXp was one, and still is one, that all places do not accept.
Costco is being dropped by AmXpress come early 2016. Switching to a Visa card.
Quote from: Chuck White on December 22, 2015, 04:54:23 PM
Here in Russell, it's $2.359!
What is it in Potsdam Chuck??
Syracuse is below $2/Gal for the cheap stuff.
Dan
Siloam Springs, Ark last night unleaded was $1.52 with a Wal-Mart card. bg
Dan; Gas is within $.02/gal Russell, Canton & Potsdam with the exception of one full-service station in Canton, it's $.20/gal higher.
He told me "it doesn't make much difference to me whether or not I sell gas", I'm a service station.
Last night it was $1.96 for gas, $1.77 for road diesel, and off-road diesel for $1.37 a gallon (which I hauled home 200 gallons of).
Gas is $2.09-2.12
Regina saskatchewan payed 87.9 liter that would be around
$2.32 a gallon. Then the exchange rate probably $2.00
We are charged $1.37 a US dollar at banks here, so even less than $2.00/gallon. They are charging way more than their 2.5 cents on top of current international exchange rate. If so we would be paying $1.28 a $US
Gas just dropped to $1.48 in Rock Hill, S.C.
Still hanging on at $2.29/gal. On the News they said the barrel of crude was at an all-time low of $32 or $33/barrel. Hasn't been that low in 10 years. But our prices haven't dropped - lots of excuses. We are still on our "winter blend" (i.e. more alcohol to lower your mileage) to keep the pollution levels down. I wonder if it's a wash - lower the pollution level by x% while you need to burn more because your mileage drops by 22%, in my case. It's all a big conspiracy. :-X
It's not dropping very fast here in Canada, still 90's cent ranges a litre. Meanwhile in northern Maine next door it's $1.25 $2.05/gallon. Same refinery. ::) ::) :-X
$2.299 for 87 oct. here in Russell, a few cents more in Canton. :-\
EDITED: Not $2.599, but $2.299! :embarassed:
our diesel just went up 10c a gal go figure :-\ ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Reg gas is 1.99 near our PA farm but today I filled up for 1.79 in DE on the way to our other place.
Looking to be at the lower end of $2 a gallon now. I saw $1.99 a few times. Guess I'll have to make a 4½ hour trip to see that $1.25 gas. ;D
ooops $2.05 ;D
http://www.mainegasprices.com
Ours is 3.63 a US G.
darn,looks like I will not be going on that road trip now. :D
$1.60 for reg, $1.70 diesel, off road $1.60, all I know is I like it, been a long time since I filled up the mill for less than 10 bucks,
$1.55 for regular, $1.72 for road diesel, and $1.32 for off road. Sure is nice being able to run equipment around and not break the bank doing it.
I pass a station on the way to my 40+ a week and they have regular at $1.69/Gal cash
majority of other stations are at about $1.80/gal regular
Diesel $2.19/Gal next town over Lafayette
Dan
It is down to 1.81 in hl this morning.
Lowest I have seen for regular is $1.59, propane delivered at $1.49.
where you are located, makes a difference, special state mandated blends along with state, county, city taxes.
saying that, my local stations range from $1.45- $1.67 for regular..
1.48 before discount of .05 a gallon so 1.43 this morning in Tallequah Ok.
Today in Tulsa at one place, $1.29 for unleaded. bg
Looks like we have the record for now. Houghton Lake is the next town up the road from us.
http://www.9and10news.com/story/30988075/houghton-lake-gas-prices-drop-below-one-dollar
Under a dollar a gallon. :o :o :o :o :o
To me, low fuel prices are like hitting the lottery. 8)
Have to wonder if they will drop all over like up there in Mich. no complaints if they did
They won't. Houghton lake has been having gas wars up there since late in the summer. We got it once for 1.39 or something a couple months ago. Anywhere else it is around 1.85 right now.
I'm a little ticked off. >:( The media reported $0.88/l in Abbotsford (near Vancouver) saying it's due to low oil prices. It hasn't budged here, I paid $1.04.9 last night in Vernon, apparently it is $0.98 in Kelowna (35 miles) and $0.96 in Kamloops (75 miles).
$1.51 regular. $1.74 diesel
Dropped to $1.95 a gallon here and then started up again.
I'm jealous of those $1.59 type prices. Makes me want to drive my new-to-me and not very fuel efficient pickup somewhere. ;D
93.9 cents a litre here in town, but in the city it's probably 10 cents cheaper. They have a Costcos there so they have a gas war on there all the time. When I was working, out near Burtt's corner it was 10 cents a litre cheaper there back in November. And that's about like going to De Tour, MI for size comparison, but it's not far from the city.
Crazy, had to see a surgeon today for my wife, bad gall bladder, coming out Thursday, anyway price was 1.61 here in town, gas buddy showed 1.54 bout an hour out, just past there at a Casey's 1.45, crazy but I like it,,
I paid $1.31 @ Murphy's in Claremore this evening. bg
;D
http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/18/investing/gas-prices-46-cents-michigan/index.html?iid=surge-stack-dom
$1.66
I saw the low price of MI gas on the news.
Add about 60 cents to your price and that's what we have in CT. Diesel on I-95 rest stops at 2.259. No complaints here and I'm NOT dropping my mileage charge. >:( >:( >:( 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: dgdrls on January 16, 2016, 08:36:00 AM
I pass a station on the way to my 40+ a week and they have regular at $1.69/Gal cash
majority of other stations are at about $1.80/gal regular
Diesel $2.19/Gal next town over Lafayette
Dan
That's not bad, must be at the nice n easy off 11 by the thor lounge?
diesel here in corinth is $2.49 yesterday night. It's always more $ in corinth, I think they charge you extra for the entertainment you get from wathing the local clowns have their family reunion at the sterts every night..other day two kids were throwing a football across the pumps lol
$1.66 here in Jax, NC.
2.14 reg gas 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) haven't seen it that LOW in years diesel 2.19 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) the last time it was that LOW was in 2003 when I got my first diesel pick me up truck 8) 8) 8) let it keep coming lower I think at 1.50 I might start to make some money :D :D
Wife paid $1.23 for unleaded close to Houston yesterday. bg
$0.94.9/l here last night. Still a lot more than south of the border (we can thank taxes for that) but it's a far cry from $1.50 that we have seen. Fifty bucks filled the Ranger which was close to running on fumes. 8)
8) 8) 8) 2.09 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
1.49 here in mich 8)
$1.76 in Berlin NH 8)
0.92 /litre here. Still too high compared to oil. ;D
1.50 for home heating oil thinking of shutting down the OWB 8) 8)
Gas $2.239 in Russell and $2.159 in Hermon, 5 miles apart. ::)
I paid $1.779 in southern NH yesterday.
Jim Rogers
gee wiz the price of oil falls and falls they lower it a little every month but as soon as it goes up it takes them about 12 hours to jump it at the pump I think its bull >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
You noticed that too. I like your remark about lower it a little too. You forgot they jump it alot when the price goes up. ::) Seem like a penny or 2 at a time,on the way down,but 10-15 cents when it goes up.
$1.95 is common around here.
Just got back from Greenville SC, got unleaded for 1.47 ;D
Was in San Francisco this morning and gas was $3.59 and I rode home on fumes to fill up at $2.04. Lowest was $1.99.
Went to L.L. Bean today in Freeport. I should of got gas there,I paid $1.89,there it was $1.74.
$2.089 in Fowler, about 12 miles from Russell.
I paid 1.699 tonight before the big blizzard.
Got 776 gallons of off road number 2 diesel delivered yesterday, $1.46 also got 100 gallons of gas,$1.10 but .30 Wis tax & .18 fed tax,so $1.59. 8)
But has anyone noticed with low crude oil price & low gas/diesel why is motor oil & Hyd oil not been going down? Unless it just a regional thing? :(
$1.64 in Jax. 8)
errrrr gas went down to 1.99 diesel just went up again to 2.25 I just don't get it ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
$2.089 here in Russell today! 8)
I paid $1.739 in southern NH today.
Jim Rogers
Yesterday.....$1.33, on a walmart card, 3 cent discount plus 10 cents off if you buy 3 bottles of water, making it 13 cents off at Murphy's.
We was out and I had to stop at a stop. Looked to the left and saw a small store with a price of $1.76. A real low price. Told the wife we are turning left. Got a little bit closer and cash price was $1.72. 8)
Most prices that I see are about $1.85.
Quote from: ljohnsaw on January 31, 2016, 08:28:33 PM
Was in San Francisco this morning and gas was $3.59 and I rode home on fumes to fill up at $2.04. Lowest was $1.99.
A week later, now down to $1.89! But I didn't have room in my tank so maybe next week and it will be down another 10cents?
Went down across the state line for supper tonight and filled up for $1.39 for unleaded
Streator $1.37 30 miles away in Peru $1.29
you guys and gals shur know how to make a New Yorker >:( >:( >:( >:( with your LOW LOW LOW gas prices :D :D :) 8) 8)
Unleaded in Claremore, Ok was $1.26 yesterday. bg
$1.55 in Jax, NC. 8)
Filled up with on road diesel yesterday, $0.5725
per quart :)
Today in Claremore, Ok, unleaded $1.20 and diesel $1.47. Murphy station at Wal Mart. bg
its hard to believe this post is still going after more than 10 years! :)
Yip, Unleaded today in Claremore, $1.17. bg
The station that I usually buy at had it posted at $1.699 in southern NH. today.
Jim Rogers
Dropped 5 cents a litre here today (max selling price set by government regs) , it's now 88 cents a litre and some places here probably less than 85 cents. The starting price is 37 cents a litre. ;)
You can see what we are all paying up here for taxes and delivery over here:
http://www.nbeub.ca/images/documents/petroleum_pricing/currentmaximumpriceenglish.pdf
oil less than 30 a barrel and still over 2.00 a gal >:( >:( :( :'(
I think Costco is down in the 75cent / litre range.
Down some more. $1.14 today for unleaded at W/M. bg
$1.53. We are now back to pre-Katrina prices. Only took over 10 years.
Regular gasoline is running around $1.85 a gallon in my neck of the woods, upstate NY over by the Vermont border. Never thought we would see it below $2.00 a gallon again.
The best I have seen in Vernon British Columbia is $0.94.9/l which is still very high compared to what some of you are reporting. We can thank our tax structure. >:(
Any one have prices jumping 30cents? Our area stations jumped from $1.23 to $1.59 in one day. I got the 2500 filled at the lower rate just in time.
1.14 tonight in West Tulsa at Quick Trip and 1.32 in OKC a couple hours earlier ! Love it !
Gas jumped 13 cents yesterday to $1.69.
Around here $1.70-1.79 is all over the place. And holding. :( Has not gone down for 2-3 weeks. Might be on the rise???
As of yesterday (didn't go out today), regular was down to $1.83. On the radio, they said to fill 'em up! Switching to summer blend today and expect a 30 cent jump in price! :-[ Great, costs more and I get about a 20% drop in MPG. Makes a whole lot of sense to burn more gas to improve the air quality... ::)
Regular gas is going for around $1.85 here. We could be down around what some of the other states are paying, but we wouldn't wanna forget about NYS taxes. Evidently they need the money, we just had two state officials being tried in court at the same time for corruption. spidey-smiley
Central Ontario, our gas price has been dropping, just went to the equivalent of $3.36 per US gallon. That is the lowest I have seen it in 6 years. We briefly had close to this price about a year ago but not for long.
I think the cheapest diesel I saw this week was in Montana at $1.50 a gallon.
$3.32 a US gallon here, 86 cents/litre. Costco around 76 cents a litre.
Gas up 20 cents to $1.89 today. >:(
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As of yesterday (didn't go out today), regular was down to $1.83. On the radio, they said to fill 'em up! Switching to summer blend today and expect a 30 cent jump in price! :-[ Great, costs more and I get about a 20% drop in MPG. Makes a whole lot of sense to burn more gas to improve the air quality... ::)
Well we are back up to $2.09 and holding for the last few days (26 cent jump in a few days)
Here in Russell, 87 oct took a $.04 jump back up to $2.099! :-\
There's talk that it will take a big jump around Labor Day.
Last week, I recall seeing diesel prices that were LOWER than gas prices posted at four different stations. I seem to think these were all west of the Mississippi River. After so many trips, through so many states, they all seem to run together. smiley_dizzy
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As of yesterday (didn't go out today), regular was down to $1.83. On the radio, they said to fill 'em up! Switching to summer blend today and expect a 30 cent jump in price! :-[ Great, costs more and I get about a 20% drop in MPG. Makes a whole lot of sense to burn more gas to improve the air quality... ::)
Well we are back up to $2.09 and holding for the last few days (26 cent jump in a few days)
Up to $2.21 now - up 38 cents since they announced the 30 cent jump. :-\
Gas $1.99 - diesel $1.99.
$40 oil, but gas has climbed now for a month, diesel dropped. Back to $1/litre for gas and climbing. Funny how it was that price when oil was $95. ::)
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As of yesterday (didn't go out today), regular was down to $1.83. On the radio, they said to fill 'em up! Switching to summer blend today and expect a 30 cent jump in price! :-[ Great, costs more and I get about a 20% drop in MPG. Makes a whole lot of sense to burn more gas to improve the air quality... ::)
Well we are back up to $2.09 and holding for the last few days (26 cent jump in a few days)
Up to $2.21 now - up 38 cents since they announced the 30 cent jump. :-\
Holding at $2.41
It dropped from 2.19 to 2.15 this morning in HL.
reg gas 2.29 diesel 2.29-2.49 depends on witch side of the fence your on :)
Gas is $2.15-2.20
$1.99 regular gas $2.05 diesel
$2.279 - $2.299 in my area for 87ethanol Oct.
Gas same as chuck here, bought my diesel and home heating oil yesterday.
Diesel for the mill $199.9 off road diesel, house oil, $239.9
gal said more tax on the house oil.
Cheapest I saw last week on the way north was $187 .9 I think in Virginia.
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Gas same as chuck here, bought my diesel and home heating oil yesterday.
Diesel for the mill $199.9 off road diesel, house oil, $239.9
gal said more tax on the house oil.
Cheapest I saw last week on the way north was $187 .9 I think in Virginia.
Hmm, I thought that off road and home heating was the same blend with the same dye. Why not fill your home tank from your off road tank? ;) Way back in 1973 fuel crisis, a family friend bought a VW diesel rabit and he would fill it up from his home tank :o
Fine until he gets caught. :) I gassed up the Ranger yesterday, up 10 cents to $1.06.9/l. Canadian dollar took a jump so I guess that's a good thing.
Here anyway, home heating oil and off-road diesel are the same.
It just has to be billed and taxed for it's use.
If you ordered a bunch of off-road diesel and someone got suspicious and came to investigate and found that your off-road diesel fuel was in the tank in your cellar and connected to your furnace, there would be a big issue and more than likely a hefty fine involved.
Had saw this in awhile. Noticed at two different convience stores today that diesel was around 18 cents cheaper than gas. Don't know how long it has been that way. Worked some for a company from mid-Feburary till last week and haven't been home. Hope to be back to logging soon. Just have to catch up on a few things.
The trucking company I work for kept close tabs on fuel. They rank the states in order of price. Today in Canada saskatchewan was the cheapest province. But the US is cheaper PQ IN Canada is the most expensive. They are the most vocal about no pipeline for oil going to the east coast for the refineries.
I just took these pictures last week...
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As of yesterday 2.79 in hubbard lake.
$1.22.9/L here, $109.9/L for diesel. According to the media the problems are lost production in Ft McMurray, a refinery in Edmonton down and high U.S. demand. We are currently running into shortages here in BC, I need to buy gas wherever I can.
$1.07/litre here and cheaper in other towns within 50 minutes.
Just filled mine and my wife's rig this morning (gas) 2.179, I still can't figure out that 9 thing, why don't they just call it 2.18?
Here in central NY, (NY, the spend and tax state) gas was 2.329 yesterday and diesel was 2.399. I also agree about the 9/10 cent, it fools no one. If it wasn't just a gimmick you'd see 3/10, 4/10 etc too. I only recall once seeing a fraction other than 9/10, and it was in a grand opening years ago for a new gas station. The price used the frequency for the radio station that was there doing a live show, The price ended in 3/10. Needless to say, that was a long time ago, because the price was 1.0_3. If memory serves me that was about half the going price for gas at the time, and that was long before the recent fall and then the current rise.
Regular 87 Oct. is $2.459 here in Russell, $2.429 in Watertown (50mi South).
The 91 Oct. is $2.999, here.
1.04/litre regular. Same mileage as higher test according to recent tests.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPPkPAbzwbU
Down to $1.88 here in Jax, NC.
87 Octane is $2.399 here in Russell.
gas 2.49 diesel 2.59 :o :o I keep forgetting that I live in ultimate trout/ town USA
$1.00/litre in town and that is after taxes jumped 2 % x 3 in their formula for regulated price
$1.82 at Sheetz :)
I filled up yesterday @ $1.799. This will help with out Pig Roast travels. move_it
On a recent trip I noticed the Diesel fuel price in Pennsylvania was way higher than any other State at 3.78.
Diesel was 3.27 in Maine, 3.44 in Maryland, 2.88 in South Carolina (yup,2.88!) and 3.19 in Florida on the Turnpike.
Looks like Penn. Economy is booming, warehouses going up for miles and miles. Lots and lots of Trucks!
What is going on? Seems counterintuitive
I don't follow fuel prices closely since I'm not a pro, and don't have to, but I assume PA has higher taxes. They're always ~30¢/g more than MD. I do get alcohol free gas from PA, but I can't compare it to anything since they don't sell it here, and the little I use it, I don't have to be concerned with cost.
If I had a large fleet of Trucks I would look to base them in South Carolina if it was feasible. The fuel cost savings every year could pay for a lot of other business expenses.
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As of yesterday (didn't go out today), regular was down to $1.83. On the radio, they said to fill 'em up! Switching to summer blend today and expect a 30 cent jump in price! :-[ Great, costs more and I get about a 20% drop in MPG. Makes a whole lot of sense to burn more gas to improve the air quality... ::)
Well we are back up to $2.09 and holding for the last few days (26 cent jump in a few days)
Up to $2.21 now - up 38 cents since they announced the 30 cent jump. :-\
Holding at $2.41
Ahh, the good old days! ;)
Cheapest regular is $3.19 and diesel is $3.95/gallon.
Well gas was $2.95.9 yesterday here in Cottage Grove , Oregon and I did not have to get out of the rig and get hands dirty. the attendant put gas in rig and loaded the 5 gallon can in the bed. Diesel has been running from $ 2.99 to $3.15 a gallon lately.
Cheap oil mean higher gas price. The refinery business is booming for sure. :D $1.26/litre here. Seems it should be $0.78/litre if you use Katrina oil price spike logic. :D :D
Irving said 1/3 of their oil is shipped in by rail from western Canada and elsewhere. But not giving up that cheap Saudi oil.
Irving Oil?s president says it would keep Saudi imports even if Energy East goes ahead | Financial Post (https://business.financialpost.com/commodities/energy/irving-oils-president-says-it-would-keep-saudi-imports-even-if-energy-east-goes-ahead)
Here prices are steep compared to a lot of others: $3.099/87octane $3.599/91octane!
Yep they passed a gas tax here in pa a year or two ago was to help with roads and we always have terrible roads. The money disappears and nothing gets better
Penn. just used NY as a model. Same here, except we've had gas taxes since I started driving in 1963. Brace yourself, they only go up from here. I never saw a tax that was ever reduced or eliminated.
Diesel here was 3.109 a week ago.
Paid $2.659 for regular gas in southern NH today.
Jim Rogers
Regular is $2.50 and diesel around 2.95
$2.79. 12miles west, in town 2.89 to 2.99 .
In nova scotia reg was 1.18/liter if using cash or debit,thats just outside the city,in the city theyll grab you for 1.27or more.
Thats 4.46 canadian for a US gallon or 3.45us using simple exchange rate.
Anyway you look at it its pretty expensive.
Here in southeastern CT, regular about $2.89 (cash) and diesel (cash) $3.15-3.25. Credit card 10 cents more.
There is one station that charges 20 cents more for credit then cash/debit but most here are 10 to 13 cents more for credit.
Within the last year, nearly every station price for mid-grade is 20 cents more then regular and premium is another 10 to 12 cents on top of mid-grade. So, when regular is $3.19, mid is $3.39 and premium is $3.49 to $3.51 or so and diesel is $3.95. It used to be that diesel was right around the regular gas price or a little lower.
Anyone else seeing this trend (20 cent jump between grade) or is this just a local (California) thing?
Any station I've been to in this area accepts Debit, same as cash!
I use cash for everything but online stuff. I like the simplicity. I give you cash, you give me stuff. Straightforward, and good luck hacking my wallet. You might get something more than regrets, but it probably isn't worth it ;^)
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Any station I've been to in this area accepts Debit, same as cash!
Out here there is a distinction between Debit and Credit. MOST places treat Debit like Cash - same price. The exception is ARCO - AM/PM. They charge a fee of 35 cents per transaction on debit cards and they do NOT accept credit cards. I try to NEVER go there - a matter of principle. On a full tank of gas, its like paying 2 or 3 cents more per gallon.
Nearly everyone else charges 10 cents more when you use your credit card. Credit card companies charge 3 to 6% to the merchants for the "convenience" of the card. So they are just passing it along (with a markup). I patronize a station that charges the same price no matter what you are using. So I use my credit card and get 1% cash back. ;)
You guys think your gas is dear Try buying in New Zealand NZ$2.50 per litre =US$6.30 for one Us gallon But hey we do drive smaller more economical cars and diesel trucks
$2.89 for regular $3.19 for diesel. It is about 15-20 cents a gallon cheaper in 2 of the adjacent counties and about 40-45 cents a gallon cheaper if we cross the line over into Virginia.
2.65.9 in North Arkansas today, unleaded gas.
About $2.90 in Green Bay, WI.
$3.099 - 87oct (10% ethanol), $3.599 - 91oct (ethanol free)
Just realized Pa must have upped the gas tax again. NY is .30 ($3.39 vs $3.69) a gallon cheaper than Pa on diesel. I am going to NY for Fuel from now on. How sad is that!
I drove on fumes to get thru Pa.to spend my money elsewhere. Then I spent money on food also after filling up in Maryland. The savings bought my lunch. ;) My memory of Pa is one of being starved and stressed. It's a very long stretch on 81. A rookie trucker might fill up once but learn a quick lesson from it.
Gas 87 oct. $3.04 LP $ 1.59 as of yesterday.
Went up $.06 over the last few days! >:(
Was: $3.099 - 87oct (10% ethanol), $3.599 - 91oct (ethanol free)
Now: $3.159 - 87oct (10% ethanol), $3.659 - 91oct (ethanol free)
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As of yesterday (didn't go out today), regular was down to $1.83. On the radio, they said to fill 'em up! Switching to summer blend today and expect a 30 cent jump in price! :-[ Great, costs more and I get about a 20% drop in MPG. Makes a whole lot of sense to burn more gas to improve the air quality... ::)
Well we are back up to $2.09 and holding for the last few days (26 cent jump in a few days)
Up to $2.21 now - up 38 cents since they announced the 30 cent jump. :-\
Holding at $2.41
Ahh, the good old days! ;)
Cheapest regular is $3.19 and diesel is $3.95/gallon.
Diesel is "holding" at $3.95 and regular is catching up - now $3.47
Get ready for prices to go up more. Oil price is climbing.
1.26. Per liter or 5.67/ gal.😳
$1.43.9 locally today, diesel is $1.35.9 which means my truck tank holds more than $175 bucks! Youch!!! Apparently Vancouver has hit $1.78.9, the highest in North America and midnight gas and goes are rising.
3.74 per gallon
$3.79 regular/gallon at the cheapest place. Over $4 at the name brand stations.
Prices are going STUPID here now, average price per gallon is now $2.939-$2.959, these are for 87 octane!
$2.699 here in Harrison, mi
This is the sort of price where an electric car starts to pay for itself in places like CA and Canada. Still 2.65 here in my part of virginia but it has been climbing. My off road diesel (farm use dyed no tax) is 2.55.
I think it was $2.94/gallon yesterday here in my county. Has gone up about $.25 in the last 4 weeks.
2.47 gal here
2.99 a gal in hl
United States now exporting gasoline to world markets get used to high prices.
Yeah, industry analysts say they are here to stay. It's going to drive up the cost of everything, nothing gets moved without gas or diesel. This area depends a lot on tourism, I don't expect to see a high number of out of province plates this summer.
$3.39 today
$2.49/gallon regular @ the Shell station this morning in Gardendale, AL.
Here in Saint John, New Brunswick Canada price is $1.32 per litre for Regular Gasoline that works out to $5.016 / USGal. :o
Marinette wi regular gas is 2.89/gal. Premium is 3.49. Off road diesel 2.73 and road diesel 2.99. Prices haven't changed much in the last 4-6 months
Here in Russell, 87 octane gas is now $2.999/gal.
Typically, it's a little early in the year for prices to start going up so much!
$2.819 here tonight in western mass.
Gone up almost .30 cents in the last few weeks.
$2.76 a gallon here.
There's one station here and their price is $3.099, makes one wonder WHY!
Filled up last night in Northwood, NH. $2.74 a gallon for 87
Just paid $3.819 for 19.8 gallons or $75+! :-\
Luckily we live within yards of the state line, so gas is a little cheaper in SC, but still paid $2.55 for 87 regular unleaded today. It's been climbing pretty steady over the past week or so...
In S Ca it is $4.00 gal. and climbing. :o
Kind of got me wondering if the prices get to high, some people won't be able to buy gas for their commute to work!
Then what? Apply for unemployment benefits?
Makes me appreciate that I'm in a position to where the only time I HAVE to travel is grocery shopping and med appointments!
I think it was $2.74/G on Friday. I don't actually pay for gas aside from my OPE. I paid for my truck, and the company pays for everything else.
Here at the gas station I own its $3.38 for regular with $.10 per grade increase per gallon, diesel is $3.38 as well. We keep a 5% markup on our wholesale price, so just getting this stuff is spendy..
our propane rose a $1 a gallon wholesale after the Texas storms of last year, apparently the company that supplies us is owned by a Texas corporation and reasoning for price increase, albeit our supply comes directly out of Canada, never pass up an opportunity to exploit a weather disaster.. >:(
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Kind of got me wondering if the prices get to high, some people won't be able to buy gas for their commute to work!
Then what? Apply for unemployment benefits?
Makes me appreciate that I'm in a position to where the only time I HAVE to travel is grocery shopping and med appointments!
Good on you to be thinking about those less fortunate but compared to many times in the past this is really just avg gas. $2.60 is about the average inflation adjusted price over the last 40 years.
Well, it seems there has been a rise in oil volumes by rail once again over the past year. The trouble with the rail scenario is prices are too volatile for a refiner to commit long term. It could be profitable for a few months, then they are back to overseas oil. If you have to buy tanker cars they are looking to put them into service for 30 years ,not 3. So the infrastructure in rail is not likely to grow capacity. ;)
Price at the pump is 1.25/litre and the prime minister charges us another 4.5% since April of this year, a necessary commodity for any working person, and calls it climate action. I call it for what it is, it's BS. I'm burning just as much gas as I ever did. I don't see it changing as long as they have it for sale.
We're being charged for an idea dreamed up by someone in another nation. And the dreamer isn't paying any of that tax. :D
In the middle of Canada, Winnipeg, gas is at $1.11 per litre.
A few observations:
1.) Years ago, it was getting more and more difficult to build pipelines. First Nations objections, species at risk, climate changes accords, endless etc. etc.
2.) Warren Buffet bought Burlington Northern Railroads about 10? years ago. Hmmmm?
3.) I'm seeing an endless line of shiny new tanker cars carrying Alberta oil to points East.
Conclusion: Buffet can connect the dots better than most. 😆 $$$ 😆
I'm gonna guess that he makes a bit more money than most of us sawmilling types.
How does diesel price compare between New York and Ontario/Quebec? Later this month a few of us are going on a walleye trip to the Kipua area entering Canada from I-81 NY. My PU has a 65 gal tank so should I fill up in NY or wait until in Canada?
According to the rails they aren't jumping on the band wagon with both feet. Crude is only 3% of their business and their is no one making long term contracts. The new rail cars you see is because of laws that govern their use. They had to replace the old warn out stuff. And there is a lot of politics over pipelines, especially new ones, both nationally and internationally.
Railways mull crude opportunity as pipelines face political pressure - BNN Bloomberg (https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/railways-mull-crude-opportunity-as-pipelines-face-political-pressure-1.1039331)
I don't think there's ever a good reason to buy fuel in Canada if it can be had from the US.
It's more expensive up here for sure, all the taxes on it.
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Just paid $3.819 for 19.8 gallons or $75+! :-\
Prices have plummeted ::) over the summer. Down to $3.33/gal for regular and 15¢ bump per grade. Guess its time to fill up all my gas cans for working up the hill. Diesel is hanging around $3.90/gal.
SC 2.19 regular
Diesel 2.52
Kind of interesting I saw driving across state regular as high as 2.59 and diesel at 3.15. I don't understand the variations. I was in Ohio last week and diesel was 4 cent less than regular. Go figure......
regular $2.28, diesel $2.57
Quote from: hopm on August 04, 2019, 10:50:12 PMI don't understand the variations.
I don't see the reason, either. I see up to 60 cents variation in just a few miles.
Ms. in the $2.30 -$2.45 range
filled up diesel today here in Oregon and diesel and gas the same at $2.85.9 and had my slip tank for off road filled(diesel) for $2.52 a gallon. and we don't have to get diesel on our hands, Oregon still has people employed to pump our fuel, really like that during our wet,rainy,windy winters
on a brighter note i filled up today for 2.53 and got the best mileage I ever got in my truck....13.4 mpg 8)
Gas, here in Russell is $2.919 for 87oct.
Gas is slightly higher in Canton. Several stations and more competition there!
I think in northern Maine it is $2.79/gallon, won't know until Saturday when I go down to Patten for bean hole dinner.
I can see something coming down the pipes now from Ottawa. This $4000 purchase tax on trucks and SUV's they are mulling over recently, currently not implemented but in discussions. Hmmm and the $5000 rebate for new EV vehicles, which they are disappointed in has not caused the big uptick in EV sales. EV is only 5.6% of sales, so they are finding new ways to double down. Along with the Canadian 'clean fuel standard', lowering carbon in fossil fuels.
Furnace oil is CDN$7.80/USG today (nearly $2000 to fill a 250 gallon oil tank), diesel is CDN$8.50/USG, regular gas is CDN$6.70/USG. :o
$4.19 a gallon. Took some looking for that. Most are $4.29.
And tomorrow Ottawa adds another 4.5% X 15% = 0.52% actual on top of that price
all the fuel in maine comes from canada. the inside word is its dropping $.40 a gal soon. diesel yesterday was 5.09 gas 4.10 the price for heating oil listed on there website 4.80 where i get it. the truck was here yesterday. i asked the price 4.40 . he didnt know the rack price because he hadn't filled the truck since last week. my guess is they still had some higher priced fuel on board
We had a one day drop in price because of price drop at NY harbour barge price, but jumped back higher today to make up for that drop. We have an 'interrupter clause' in regs that means price at pump moves if a 4 cent jump either way at the NY harbour barge price. I wouldn't hold for any price drop, it went up at NY harbour barge price a few hours after the drop. $3.18 to $3.30, this morning it is showing another drop, 0.14 already, but it's early. The site I watch updates every 15 mins.
New York Harbor RBOB Gasoline Front Month Futures price information - FT.com (https://markets.ft.com/data/commodities/tearsheet/summary?c=RBOB+Gasoline)
my imfo came from the fuel guy that works for the company you luv to hate
The price is going the other way now, up.
All our gas stations here are switching to prepay , I was in line waiting my turn and the guy in front of me tells the girl at the till "$10.00 regular on pump #2 please" she says to him "$10.00 how far is that going to get you?", "pump #4 " he says.
Yesterday it was between $3.96 to $4.09 depending on the locations .I can easily go a month on all three vehicles combined so it doesn't affect me much .During the summer I'd say the mower uses more gas than all three combined
Remember that we are dumping our strategic oil reserves at this time to keep prices lower until the midterms. That will be empty by the end of the year at the rate we are going. It's going to be a hard heating season for many if things don't change to up American production.
They've used oil prices related to fuels as a political or economic football for decades and they always win .Natural gas went from a so called shortage to almost a glut on the stuff over the years .So they tried diesel engines in automobiles which did not work out as well as they thought it would .The whole grand plan is designed to do one thing ,extract money from people because they will pay for it complaints or not .
Over the years the average automobile has decreased in size so they like wise have decreased the sizes of the parking spaces in parking lots to get more in .Then some cowboy want-a- be parks a one ton dually pick up next to you so close have to get in the passenger side door because you can't get in the drivers side .-----mumble grumble .
On Sunday we are leaving for a road trip to Nashville, TN for a Navy reunion, most driving on I81 through western Virginia then crossing TN to Nashville. Both states are normally cheaper than PA, but is there much difference between them?
Gas did actually go down to $3.19, from $3.30 yesterday at the NY harbour today.
Visiting my brother for a few days, filled up in Ashland Oregon this morning where it was cheap - $4.69 cash. Now, back home, I see it is down to $5.43 8) ::) from $5.59.
Down at $3.12 already this morning.
Trudeau slaps his April fools carbon tax on this morning. $1.76/litre this morning or $6.79/USG.
Quote from: SwampDonkey on April 01, 2022, 03:02:09 AMTrudeau slaps his April fools carbon tax on this morning. $1.76/litre this morning or $6.79/USG. smiley_thumbsdown NOT Like
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Regular gas is $4.319 here in Russell, it's been hanging there for about 3 weeks now!
As I predicted earlier, gas took a jump again. Another 7 cents a litre (27 cents a USG) jump this morning at the pumps. $7.08 USG this morning.
Neighbor told me the other day he was after a jug of diesel, on the other pump opposite was a woman in a big SUV who pumped $178 into it. She dashed and then later when he went to pay, the cashier asked if he wanted the gas purchase separate. He said he only pumped diesel into his jug, the woman ran off without paying apparently.
87 came down to 3.67 yesterday.
Fuel is already trading 5 cents higher this morning. You can only discount the tax so far before government starts needing it back. :D Must not be much down there for road tax and sales tax because price is $3.20 at NY Harbour. Whatever is left is shipping/distribution. Our government lives like kings up here, 50% in price is tax. And compounded tax at that, tax on tax. Every time it changes hands along the way tax is applied. We pay tax 4 times by the time it reaches the pump.
[CBC News] (https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/fuel-price-new-brunswick-1.6407017)
$3.61 to $3.66
Prices seem to be holding here, diesel is $1.88.9/l and gas $1.78.9/l. I only put in what I need and carefully plan my trips. Our esteemed prime minister has backed off on his tax grab carbon tax but apparently the provincial government hasn't
Quote from: sawguy21 on April 04, 2022, 09:37:03 PM
Our esteemed prime minister has backed off on his tax grab carbon tax but apparently the provincial government hasn't
When? He slapped it on everywhere else. Diesel is CDN$2.37/litre ($9.15/USG) in NB.
NY Harbour price has gone from US$3.15 to $3.24 since the start of the week.
$1.81/litre at the local pump for regular. Be going up again this week.
Won't be long before the farmers park their tractors and potato trucks and the truckers park their rigs. The truckers parked in protest when it was $1.49/litre for diesel in 2006. They that much happier now behind the wheel? $1350 to fill a truck with 150 gallon fuel capacity now. Some have 300 gallon capacity. Singing 'We're in the money'. ::)
Already rumblings in the works.
https://globalnews.ca/news/8681335/truckers-rally-bc-high-gas-prices/
and Spain trucker protest
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/spain-truckers-get-gas-price-cut-but-some-still-strike/2022/03/25/0daa3ce6-ac26-11ec-8a8e-9c6e9fc7a0de_story.html
It's never ending .The great oil wars doesn't always involve how much to use in chainsaw mix oil .It's a political football and always has been .Who to lay blame on not what to do about it .The great battle now is that tar sands oil nobody wants . If Canada wanted it they wouldn't be trying to get rid of it . NW Ohio has oddles of it still in the ground because it's sour heavy crude and requires more money to refine it just like the tar sands stuff .
Now it gives rise to electric vehicles that come with their own problems some where down the road ,count on it .
There is no simple solution except perhaps riding a bicycle or a horse but I think I'll pass on that .I never had a love affair with a horse thanks to those stubborn little Shetland ponies when I was a kid .
Tar sands oil has increased production in 2021 to record levels to 4.67 million barrels per day in August 2021 by improving efficiencies and with small expansion projects. It has been profitable above $66/barrel. It's about the technology. [Reuters and others]
Gov. Youngkin of Virginia just put forth legislation to suspend the VA gas tax for 3 months, 26 cents a gal for gas, 27 cents a gal for diesel. Diesel is $4.99 gal, reg gas is $4.09.
Big price drop at NY harbour yesterday in afternoon trading, local price dropped 10 cents/litre after midnight in response.
No talk of any tax cut here, plowing straight ahead with deficit spending to sink the ship. I don't see hardly a truck on the road lately. Trudeau thinks he can tax us into prosperity, it failed every other time. As Churchill put it, "it's like standing in a pale and trying to pick it up by the handle". :D
Bank of Canada interest rate is going up .5% next week.
They play with the interest rate often under the quise of stopping run away inflation or stimulating commerce .Weather it actually works depends on who is telling the story .There really isn't much the common man or woman on the street can do about it besides belly ache .Same with the price of gasoline .On that last I checked it was back again near 4 bucks a gallon with diesel about a dollar higher .Fact just two days ago I dumped nearly $50 in Georgia's Envoy for 3/4 of a tank full .On the other hand it might be a month or more before it needs some more .--and that's the way that cookie crumbles .
Monday Red diesel was 4.98 while road fuel was 4.78. It shows that the terminal price on roadfuel has dropped and has high turnover, while the farmers and loggers who run red fuel are holding off and buying as little as possible. the red tank is turning over slow so the price isnt updating as fast as road tank.
If both tanks were filled same day a more normal price would be 5.00 road fuel and 4.40-4.60ish for red. All retailers are pretty much the same. Take purchase price, add 6cents/g and wait until its empty. No other red retailer around so they arent gonna lose money on the red tank. If you dont like it go buy that yellow diesel.
As for trucks on the road with MC numbers, trust me. The ones who survived this long are making a killing right now. I negotiated rates and booked loads for myself and up to 3 other trucks at a time out of a 6 truck OTR fleet when rock got slow. High fuel is a good truckers dream.
It wipes out the financially insolvent competitors by the thousands. Their fuek cost consumers their breakdown budget, truck breaks and theyre parked. The load to truck ratio skyrockets (high fuel is always paired with high economic production and more loads) and the trucks still running can name their price because there are more loads than trucks. You post an empty truck and the phone explodes. Nope. Nope. Nope.. Im at $x/mi plus 100% FSC. Nope too low call me back when you come up. Nope. Nope.. Sorry. You get to name your rate.
When fuel is $2/gal the road is clogged with trucks and the shippers tell you what the load pays because they have the leverage. When i quit it was $99c mile and zero FSC. Guarantee there are guys getting $5/mile right now with fuel paid on easy legal loads no tarp. Just raking it in loving life for a change.
Thats truckin. Gotta have your money right and good reliable iron. High fuel is the shipper and receivers problem. They are paying it all right now. When it hits $2.50/g the truck will be paying for all of the fuel and eeking by while hordes of new MCs rush in because fuel is cheap and they dont understand the game. They think theyll make a fortune with cheap fuel cost.
To be clear this is only for hired interstate transport through load boards on the spot market.
High fuel absolutely kills the private truck so if he has a brain he is gonna get out on the spot market. Thats why your log haulers have dried up, because you guys arent paying the fuel separate like how spot market works so they park their pitts and grab another trailer if they are legal for it.
Dedicated for hire freight can go either way depending on the fuel cost agreement in the freight contract. Best time for spot market driver is now. Im sure i could make $3k a day right now with a flat.
When the spot market tanks from cheap fuel and economic bust theyll all be back local for logs. You watch. Trucks go where the money is, we have tons of electronic commerce tools to identify where exactly that is on a daily trend basis.
Gas has been trending down since April 1, but every spike in the trend moves our pump price up and down, it has moved 5 out of 7 days so far here. We are only 4 cents off the lowest price back on Thursday last week ,when it dropped to $2.80 at NY Harbor. Now $3.06 and may fall more by day end. The high of the last week was ~$3.70.
No log hauling here much during road closures, until June.
We just paid $3.97 for gas.
They've dumped a lot of strategic reserve just as the weekly draws were slowing so inventory was building anyway. I honestly don't think they needed to do it, pricing was falling as production increased and demand was not soaring.
If they waive the tax here I might have to buy road diesel when I fill the storage tank, nice for the pickup but strange times. 1200 gallons of road diesel would normally have been quite a bit more, $500 or so. For some reason off road price difference far exceeds the state tax. Like Mike said the price difference is really about gone.
In a jaunt out today it was back to $3.61 .That's 30 cents up and down three times in one week .
This evening I paid $3.32 at Circle K with their easy pay card, in Dublin, GA.
Jim Rogers
Up again, now $5.559 for regular.
On road diesel $5.39
Off road diesel $4.79
Gas $4.75
In central VT
Federal cabinet has approved the US$12 billion Bay du Nord venture off the Newfoundland and Labrador coast on the Flemish pass basin. Estimated yield of 300 Million barrels. But has to meet current emissions standards.
Historically it can be amusing .Some time back on a jaunt for a family reunion on the S Carolina Georgia border the price rose to $2 from about a dollar and half and it's made locally .The farther I went south the less expensive it became .In that week it lowered again to around a buck and a half .That said there is no way to compare prices in either California or some east coast states with most other locations .
The baseline is at whatever price it trades. Then the taxes and distribution on top. So yeah, its certainly a mix. :D
In my area Eastern Nebraska fuel price has seemed to level off. Gas went down thirty cents or so the last couple weeks and is around $3.70 most places and diesel didn't come down at the same time frame and it running just under five dollars. I am glad I bought all my farm diesel for the year last year before the big jump. Higher fuel cost hasn't seemed to keep anyone off the road around here.
Fuel prices dropped $.02/gallon, now $4.299
We just saw gasoline prices ranging from $3.329 to $4.029 while traveling to and from the Project. Twice I filled up and then traveled a few miles and it would be 40¢ per gallon cheaper. ::)
In 1980 I paid the equivalent of $4.00 a gallon to gas up my moped in France so high prices are nothing new to me. High prices are another justification to go electric as soon as possible and defund the dictators and despots of the world. Electricity through renewables is the best way to be independent. The days of ICE are numbered.
Quote from: RPF2509 on April 11, 2022, 11:41:44 AMThe days of ICE are numbered.
My neighbor and I both have 2005 Tundra 4 door trucks. We both love driving them. The EPA 22 mpg highway is a joke in CA. With the fuel for sale here, lucky to get 14 mpg highway. Right now that's $120 to fill the tank.
My neighbor's wife is a doctor and drives a lot to different hospitals down the coast. Their one car was getting tired so they bought a new Lexus for her to drive. Less than 2 years over 60,000 miles on it and costing $2,000 a month in gas! So they ordered a Tesla Model 3 but that would take a few months to be delivered. Kept calling for the wait list (people change their minds when it comes to closing the sale?). A Model Y popped up with every option but took that. Her last trip cost $24 in charging for over 1,500 miles.
The other day, my neighbor needed to go do something for a relative and wanted to drive his truck because he likes to. He calculated it would cost a full tank of gas ($120). So he took the Y and it was like $8. He has solar at home so really it was free as his electric usage is very low this time of year (no A/C running).
I drive my son's Prius as it goes nearly 4 times as far per gallon as my truck.
I've been on the wait list for the cyber truck for 2 years and looks like at least another year :-\
Just came home from taking the fifth wheel camper to Indianapolis for the weekend. I got about 10mpg on the way there, so that cost about $150 to get there with diesel at $5/gal. Coming home we had a terrible headwind and I was getting about 7.5mpg. Yikes.
I paid $1.85.9/l for diesel the other day but need to go 50 miles each way tomorrow, I just hope the price hasn't got worse. :-\ I plan my trips and only buy what I need but this is getting stupid.
Here in Cottage Grove, OR. I paid $4.80 (79.9) a gallon today for Diesel the gas was less.
When the pump price got to $125.00 it shut off but I was very close to full.
I really hate that, especially right now. I had 2 pumps cut me off at $100. That's ridiculous. I'm not running my card twice to fill up. You just lose part of the sale if you wanna cut me off at 100.
Harbour price dropped a few cents today, I suspect there may be a drop at the pumps in the morning up here. $3.02 right now.
$3.51 yesterday
$4.09 to $4.19 per gallon for regular in my county. $3.90 per gallon one county over.
1.699/10 on the corner.
Diesel dropped here yester day down too $5.09
Price of gasoline ended up at 3.14/gallon at NY harbour.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on April 11, 2022, 05:07:54 PM
I really hate that, especially right now. I had 2 pumps cut me off at $100. That's ridiculous. I'm not running my card twice to fill up. You just lose part of the sale if you wanna cut me off at 100.
My F-150 holds 36 gallons. Its cheaper to run the card twice than make an extra stop where fuel is often higher? :D
A nearby hardware/fuel stop/building supply has the cheapest area off road diesel. I use that building supply hardware and lately there's no shortage of diesel PU's with bed tanks filling the up. I guess the leos don't check PU trucks as they do larger trucks?
Candidly said, the $100 limits been around many retail fuel places a long time. I'm more bothered by finding out that my card wont function cause my CU sees I'm out of state. We used to have GK's in AL and TN and we'd get cut off in AL trips if we didn't think to call in. Finally we talked to them and got that fixed! They'd say it was "for our protection" when we all know it's them who has the coverage for fraud to pay. But of course we all pay the end costs involved. Which is the $100 limit thing most likely as well?
Here red diesel is $4.55 gl and cheapest 87 is $3.73. Valero seems to be on a cost cutting kick here? Several are the lowest of all and were stations that changed from BP. I'd read that Valero got more of their raw crude from Russia than any other USA refiner. But I kind of doubt that's their price cut rationale?
I paid $3.449 at a discount station today in eastern NC.
One of those places that you set up a easy pay card so that they take the money from your account automatically. The give you 10 cents off per gallon for the direct pay.
I was surprised to find it that cheap.
Jim Rogers
Gas fell a half cent this week at the local pumps, but I see a sharp jump today in trading. 15 cent jump to 3.30/gallon.
NY harbour price $3.37/gallon, local prices went up in response.
Probably 5 cents a litre more for diesel. Thursday it had dropped below $2.00/litre at pumps. Almost $2.04/litre today
I think it's just something we might have to deal with it for a while .At $3.50-$3.65 a US gallon it's usually around 50 bucks to top off a standard 20 gallon gas tank using approx 16 gallons .--could be worse you know .I suppose here in a few weeks I'll spend more money in mowing the yard with a zero turn than I do in the cars .
Price at NY harbour today is $3.22/gallon currently.
I paid $1.98/l for diesel this afternoon :'( Can I at least get a kiss?
That would equate to about $6.10 a gallon in US dollars .Rather steep I'd say .Diesel was cheap at one time--past tense .
Local station is $4.19 for gas, $5.49 for diesel. They're also talking about put tolls on bridges to pay for repairs. They raised the gas tax a couple of years ago to the highest in the nation to pay for road repairs. California has since raised theirs to higher than ours. They're also talking about going to a mileage tax.
Not sure of the pump price for diesel here
Yes diesel was cheap in the 80s, but price went higher than gas here in the latter part of that decade.
I had 3 diesels back then a 79 Olds Cutlass supreme small block (260) with 5 speed trans, a 81 Rabbit and an 85 chev 6.2.
Replaced all as needed except the olds with gas after diesel price got higher than gas
My off rd. diesel last week was $4.699 and I dont use much since I sold the mill.
They used to have a 100 gallon minimum delivery but they reduced it to 75 gallons for me and an additional 7 bucks off for paying the driver. Still hurt tho.
BTW home heating oil was $5.299 an thank the lord I didnt need any.
I was going to retire the Classic boiler and burn oil, but not with prices as they are currently.
Those little GM 260's got great mileage .I had one in a Olds wagon that was making oil ,leaky fuel pump 50 dollar special .I let it go for $200 . :D
Gas jumped 10 cents to $1.829/litre here this morning, CDN$7.05/US gallon.
On I-75 in KY we got a new Buckee's with a grand opening this week, gas prices are great above & below trying to compete with the goodies there. Ramps full of cars both ways there. I bought gas for $3.60 nearby them.
Quote from: SwampDonkey on April 21, 2022, 08:08:41 AM
Gas jumped 10 cents to $1.829/litre here this morning, CDN$7.05/US gallon.
Yesterday here in Northern Ontario our price for regular gas went from $1.72 to $1.97 a liter - $.25 in one day and for no apparent of logical reason!
That's $1.13 a gallon increase in a matter of hours!
Too bad we can't get a government that would like to make use of our country's own vast oil resources instead of tying us to the idiots of the World and their dirty oil!
Gas at US$3.31/gallon at NY Harbour is the reason ours went up. That's the bench mark for any change in regulated prices here in NB.
We are back up to $4.19.
Than about 20 minutes away, $3.99.
A week ago last Wednesday I paid 3.26 for gas in El Dorado KS, yesterday in Salina KS it was 3.56 at the Sams club. Lucky I have a 4 cylinder Tacoma. Averages 25 mpg. Try not to drive the heavier trucks unless I need to haul cattle or the skidsteer. Have to keep some seafoam around to keep the bigger trucks running right.
Price dropped here a few days ago from $4.269 to 4.199/gal
Quote from: farmfromkansas on April 22, 2022, 09:04:51 AM
Lucky I have a 4 cylinder Tacoma. Averages 25 mpg. Try not to drive the heavier trucks unless I need to haul cattle or the skidsteer. Have to keep some seafoam around to keep the bigger trucks running right.
Now you're not going to believe this but I have a '97 Ford Ranger with a 2.3 liter over head cam 4 banger and a 2008 Full sized Mercury with a 4.6 liter V8 and they both get 26 MPG .Seems odd to me . ???
Diesel is bouncing back and forth between $1.98/l and $1.85, I can't figure it out. Apparently we are in for another hit this weekend, I plan my trips and only buy what I need.
Today I had to get 2 cans of gasoline, lawn mowing time here in the big corn field plus a can of diesel and a can of kerosene .the later two are what we used to term "Boy Scout Oil " ,fire starter ,slash piles etc .The kerosene was over 5 bucks, the diesel was about 5 and the gas $3.61.Same gas station three different pumps . Diesel burns longer and is hotter than kerosene but the kerosene fires up easier and starts the diesel .Gasoline used for a fire starter is not the thing to do --ever
If you do it right and start fire on top of the stack as it burns down the smoke has to pass through the flames emitting very little smoke .
Thieves cut the fuel line under our church van and drained the gas out. I suppose this means that theirs was free.
Lynn,
Sorry to hear that. I hope they end up paying big time for may not be in this lifetime and we may never know about it.
I filled up today for $3.999/gallon. It is usually $4.099/gl but next county over is cheaper and this was near the county line.
During the 60's it was great sport for some to siphon the gasoline out of farm tractors .Some it didn't work out real well because some were diesels .They didn't make it down the road very far .Back then gasoline was 27-29 cents per gallon .My mini bike held 7 cents worth of regular gas and got over 100 MPG at 24 MPH .Teen aged "east rider ". 8)
You could ride around most of the weekend in a v8 '55 chevy for 2 bucks.
Central Virginia I saw 3.91 today for regular, 4.98 for diesel at the Marathon station.
Quote from: Al_Smith on April 25, 2022, 02:09:53 PM
During the 60's it was great sport for some to siphon the gasoline out of farm tractors .Some it didn't work out real well because some were diesels .
Sometimes they just came to the pump. When grandmother was still with us and living at her house, the switch was in her shed for the pump. She never knew if it was someone working or steeling gas cause she wouldn't know some of the people coming and going, some she did. One family near here, you couldn't get any work out of them, but they knew how to pump gas. :D
I worked a project in 2006 at a gold and copper mine in the Gobi Desert in Mongolia and the nearest town Khanbodh was about an hour away by dirt road. The local fuel dealer there had a Ger (Yurt) full of barrels of diesel and I assume some gasoline. There were no gas stations with pumps as we know it in the town. He lost his whole stockpile to a fire one night and we had to start putting guards on our construction equipment until the guy stole/built up enough stock to resume operations as they were cutting our fences and stealing fuel from the dozers and graders and such. Turns out the main supplier was our trash truck contractor who we provided fuel to. He'd take a load of trash from the camp to the dump at Khanbodh, siphon off all but enough fuel to make it back to camp, return for another load of trash, top off his tanks and repeat.
Remember the little springs you used to buy to put in the neck of your gas tank to keep the people from being able to get a hose in to siphon gas out of your tank? Seems like that was during the "fuel crisis" in the '70s. Remember even and odd days to get fuel based on your tag number. Some people kept 2 tags. The 10 gallon limits. No gas on Sunday except at the interstates. Remember hitchhikers carrying a gallon gas can? (It might be empty but it got you to stop.)
Don't be surprised if the gas goes up again this week, I see $3.38/gallon, up 7 cents since Monday at NY harbour.
Lake Tahoe $6.35. If you want to fuel the boat at the dock for a lake ride $9.95. Gonna be over $10 for summer
Northern Maine gas $4.05, diesel $5.30, heating oil $4.70 per gallon. Gasoline most places around here are higher than $4.05, most around $4.20, but we have a locally owned station that keeps it as low as they can.
Well it finally happened! Diesel is $2.05/L here this afternoon, Dang this bites. >:(
I filled up yesterday for $73. I had stocked up before the prices went crazy, but the lawnmower was about empty, and I had it on the trailer anyway, so I went ahead and filled it up at the non-ethanol pump.
I knew diesel would be going up yet again and went to the off road diesel place on my way to an appointment in the morning. Put the 10 gallons in the excavator around lunchtime and drove the 20 miles back for more.
The big sign had gone up 90 cents a gallon but the pump hadn't. Great ! But then the phone rang and by the time I got rid of that guy, they had raised the actual pump price from inside the store. Drat !
I was not about to pay $5.59/gallon for off road. Drove away. ( Street fuel went to $5.89 ! ) Went to another station and got clear diesel for $5.29. That's about the only way that that price for street diesel looks good :D
Looking like heating my house will be very expensive next winter.
Diesel is CDN $8.88/ US Gallon up here this week. Gas never moved much, down 5/10 of a cent. And that makes no sense since it has gone up 40 cents a US gallon at NY Harbour this week, higher than it has been for 3 week. ::)
It jumped 3 times this week. 6 cents on Wednesday, 19 cents on Thursday and then 8 cents on Friday. Diesel is now just shy of CAD$2.40/L here in northeastern Nova Scotia. That's equivalent to USD$7.15/US gallon.
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North jersey prices. :o
Sky's the limit, no oil reserve is going to do much on price in the end. We are all paying for fuel that was bought or refined sometime in the past anyway, on old price. A ship of oil leaving port might trade 15 x before reaching destination. If I ship potatoes, it doesn't work that way for me. And everyone seems just dandy with it. ::)
Gas and diesel both up around here this AM. Diesel up around thirty cents currently $5.20 gas up around twenty cents and is just under four dollars at most stations.
$5.99 diesel in my part of NH today. I don't watch the news, so I'll just assume the whole world has gone crazy and venture out even less than I used to
Diesel jumped again overnight here. It's $2.47/litre or CDN $9.33/US gallon (US$7.46).
diesel $ 6.30 here ::)
Quote from: SwampDonkey on May 01, 2022, 04:08:25 AM
Diesel jumped again overnight here. It's $2.47/litre or CDN $9.33/US gallon (US$7.46).
My neighbour filled up his truck at $3.01 in NB this morning, he wasn't happy. $2.45ish here today.
Couldn't have been NB, because regulated price is $2.469/10 / litre.
New Brunswick Energy & Utilities Board - Current Petroleum Prices (https://nbeub.ca/current-petroleum-prices-2)
I'll let him know, that's interesting. It was at a cardlock in Salisbury, there was no price per litre advertised but he was definitely charged $3.01 when he did the math
If he was, he was scammed.
He always takes pictures of the pump for his records so he's sent them, his receipt and his credit card record to his boss to look into. The company doesn't usually go that far east but it sounds like he's going to be doing the run regularly now so he appreciates the heads up, 300 bucks extra on a weekly trip adds up
Around here, most pumps sell below regulated price.
Regular gas at $4.32, diesel at $6.39, off road at $5.39.
Where do you go to buy off-road diesel? Is there a pump at the station or do you need to go to somewhere special. I've never seen it around here. Now that I have the SkyTrak and the Ford, it might be worth finding some. Road diesel is a little over $6 now.
There are 2 stations in town that sell off road diesel. Its home heating oil. It has the red dye. At the mill, we had the local oil man fill our tanks each week. Ran our gen set and all the off road equipment with it.
Overnight, the off road jumped from $5.39 to $5.84. Diesel is at $6.53, and will probably go up in the next delivery.
Diesel dropped 7 cents a litre here, $2.39 8/10/litre.
Went thru town this morning reg gas was $4.19 and diesel was $6.499 might as well call it $6.50.
Stopped at Kroger in Cartersville, GA to fill my F250 with diesel. Sign showed 4.69. When I started the pump it showed 3.76. I put 18 gallons in and was quite happy with the deal. When I got back to Aiken, SC I filled up at Sam's Club. Diesel was up to 5.11 here. Big change in prices in just over 220 miles.
Filled my tank for the mill today $5.65 $1265.00 8)
Sold $3500.00 of lumber too.
I think I'm ahead. :D :D
We just made a ~1200 mile round trip to Allen, OK. Gasoline ranged from $3.65 to $3.89, mostly in the $3.80's.
Gas CDN $1.92/litre and diesel $2.68/litre. Gas price at NY harbour $US 3.71/gallon. As high as it's ever been.
CDN$2.00/litre ($6/US gallon) gas this week, diesel dropped to CDN$2.59/litre. Highest yet for gas. Trading was up today, $3.95 at NY harbour price.
Diesel ⛽ dropped 10 cents a gallon here today ($6.39)I can afford to walk too the mail box now
I just saw a news blurb that some of the big fuel stops on the east coast are having a hard time finding diesel right now to keep their tanks from running dry. Seems the supply is dropping off due to our exporting oil to Europe that recently ramped up. $10.00 a gallon diesel could become reality this summer if the supply isn't stabilized.
Regular gas (87oct) is $4.699/gal, and 91oct is $5.399/gal.
here you have to pay sales tax on off road fuel but not heating oil if you live in the building. a garage you pay the tax.
Regular $5.49 cash + 10 cents for cards. Diesel $6.49 :-\ Pretty sure I filled both the SkyTrak and my new Ford tractor tanks last fall before I packed it in. That saved me about $100. Now just hope it lasts until the prices drop :D :D :D
Has anyone seen the motor oil prices? They have at least doubled here in the last year. And the shelves are as bare as the baby formula. $25+ for a gallon of Delo 400
Just had another ten cents price jump in Virginia. It was under $4 for a week or so, then $4.10, $4.17 and $4.29 in a matter of days. Diesel running $5.55 now.
Quote from: KirkD on May 14, 2022, 12:16:22 PMHas anyone seen the motor oil prices?
Yeah, Rotella is pricing itself out of the market. I think T6 diesel oil is about 45 a gallon now IF you can find it.
I hope hurricane season this year is mild. A good hit in the Gulf will really add to the pain at the pump.
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 14, 2022, 09:42:42 AM
Regular $5.49 cash + 10 cents for cards. Diesel $6.49 :-\ Pretty sure I filled both the SkyTrak and my new Ford tractor tanks last fall before I packed it in. That saved me about $100. Now just hope it lasts until the prices drop :D :D :D
This morning was $5.49, this afternoon, $5.59 >:(
By my quick maths gas is getting close to US$8 a gallon here.
To be fair it probably hasn't gone up by the same % as the US because a big part of the cost is taxes (which have , and those have been temporarily reduced to reduce the shock on the voters wallets. But it still hurts when you need to fill up :-\
I'm going to have to get a better job so I can afford to live!!!
Off road diesel was $6.08!!! :o
I got just a little over 16½ gallons for $100!!!! I've never spent that much at one time.
I can see why people let the fields go up.
Quote from: Ianab on May 14, 2022, 10:19:31 PM
By my quick maths gas is getting close to US$8 a gallon here.
To be fair it probably hasn't gone up by the same % as the US because a big part of the cost is taxes (which have , and those have been temporarily reduced to reduce the shock on the voters wallets. But it still hurts when you need to fill up :-\
Trudeau never dropped the carbon tax. Any other country paying such a tax? Nope! It went up this April.
4.34 Costco regular unleaded, Orlando, just now.
We paid $4.11 for BP regular Friday. Most were $4.19.
I used some $2.45 diesel mixed with used crankcase oil on a hay wagon top. I went heavy with the oil and lighter with the diesel ratio since it's gone over $5 for off-road here.
Just saw on the news that gas pump manufacturers are cranking out new faces for the pumps with an additional digit. Apparently the prediction is that diesel will be over $10.00 a gallon in June and gas over $10.00 a gallon sometime before the end of summer so pumps that go over $9.999 will be required in the near future. This is crazy.
4.89 for Regular, 6.49 for Diesel. Regular was 4.75 3 days ago.
Quote from: 21incher on May 18, 2022, 06:08:47 PMso pumps that go over $9.999 will be required in the near future. This is crazy.
I remember when I started driving in 1976. Second oil embargo or something. The pumps wouldn't go above a $1 so they set the price at half and then doubled that when it was time to pay.:-\
Diesel has been at $6.29 for the past 2 weeks. I'm not seeing how it will go to $10 in that short of a time. Gas went to $4.69 this week. Oil future prices have been in a steady climb, but it hasn't taken off. March 7, it hit a peak of $130/bbl. Today its at $105. Lots of volatility in the markets. Looks like we'll be buying oil from Venezuela. Part of the problem is that there was a refinery fire back in 2019 in Philadelphia, and it still isn't on line. The other was that a lot of refineries were down for maintenance. They should be coming back on line to help the inventory, and the price.
Quote from: Ron Wenrich on May 19, 2022, 05:20:38 AM
. Part of the problem is that there was a refinery fire back in 2019 in Philadelphia, and it still isn't on line. The other was that a lot of refineries were down for maintenance.
I don't know Ron. I think the "problem" is democrats in office.
They had pictures of pumps on the west cost with premium at 7.499 and diesel over 8.00 a gallon right now. JP Morgan is predicting regular gas at $6.50 nationwide that would put west coast pumps over $10. I don't see why they don't just switch to the liter volume
Regular gas is $4.899/gal, A/O yesterday afternoon.
If they would just quit that fraction of a cent they'd have another digit. Back when gas was under a quarter it may have made sense to have a fraction of a cent but once it was at several dollars per gallon they need to just round it off to the nearest cent.
Gov. NeedsSome want to push a bill through that will give $400 to each registered vehicle, limit 2 per name to offset gas prices. That will give me 2 weeks ::) Knowing how they like to screw things up, I can see it going to EV owners as well. :-X
Quote from: ljohnsaw on May 19, 2022, 09:53:53 AM
Gov. NeedsSome want to push a bill through that will give $400 to each registered vehicle, limit 2 per name to offset gas prices. That will give me 2 weeks ::) Knowing how they like to screw things up, I can see it going to EV owners as well. :-X
That is the sorry thing about Gov't involved. Just
give them the money and the problem should go away.
And the result is watching inflation shoot up.
Throw money at the problem, that is their long-time solution. Never has worked.
Per Ron Wenrich,
QuoteThe other was that a lot of refineries were down for maintenance. They should be coming back on line to help the inventory, and the price.
Good to hear some positive outlook with respect to the many negative outlooks posted here. The sky is not falling like chicken-little exclaimed.. IMOAnd I have faith and foresee a change in Gov't happening. None too soon.
This thread has turned that corner, and seems to be headed toward restricted topics.
Diesel $6.159 at Costco today. About 10 cents less than everyone else. 2- 5 gallon cans for $60 that will last me about 2 1/2 weeks mowing 😟. Last spring it was 1/2 that. On the positive side back ribs went down .59 a pound 😋. Couldn't believe how crowded it was in the store.
Coloured diesel is $2.04 CDN per liter. That's $6.04 USD per US gallon.
In Jan 2021 I paid $0.88 CDN per liter. So that's a 131% increase in about 15 months by my estimate.
And they say annual inflation is running at 7.4 percent. :D
Saw a station down in Northampton Ma. reg was $4.75
Here in s.e. n.y. on the Hudson river I am told diesel/red fuel in just about gone from the terminals. There have been warnings that this was coming . Someone told me to stop sawing so I would not run out. I will saw until every drop is gone because my logs are old already and must be sawed and stickered now. That is when I will stop or when the fuel is gone. A tractor trailer just left with a load of lumber [from my yard] on a 2 1/2 hour run, one way, back empty. He added $200 to his $1200 charge. Where is all this going?
Yesterday 5/22/2022
87 octane $4.20
Offroad Diesel $4.99
Ethanol free 87 octane $4.89
$166 to the fuel companies, Truck $80, tractor/skid steer $53, Lawnmower $33
Gas $409 Diesel $509
just filled up a Camry, $5.90 a gal. Gave the clerk a $100.00 bill, got back $11.00 in change.
Paid $4.17 for 87 regular yesterday, was $4.11 a week before same "BP" place. That was the cheapest gas withing 135 miles of us. Elizabethtown, KY was $3.99 recently-heard from a friend.
In CA I fail to understand how lower hourly workers live? My cousin in SD, CA they owned their own home in town since the mid-1960's and recently moved far from main part of town to afford to stay in CA. When one of my sons was in the Navy in SD, CA, he told me you had to be at least an O-5 or O-6 to be able to afford to be anywhere close to the Naval areas. Meanwhile he and another JR officer lived on toney Coronado Island in a rental cottage that cost a
$half-a- $mil$ as they were pulling extra quarters and shared the rental. My DIL, a teacher worked for a flooring contractor there too so lots of money in, then lots back out, but life was good for them in LALA Land :D...
Cal. is getting crazy, back in the 60's it was a good place to be, I was playing rock and roll, you could hitch hike any where, surfing was good. Not anymore. I was just back in Ar. what a difference. If I did not own a house here, things would be different. :o
Northeast Wisconsin just filled off road diesel cans for 3.89 sadly I thought that's a great price
NW Ohio jumped from $4.35 to $4.79 yesterday for regular 87 gas. Never seen a jump like that after the holiday weekend, normally it's the Wednesday before.
Same thing in Dayton, DWyatt. I was driving by my normal fill-up spot and noticed it was 4.79 for the cheap stuff this morning. Ridiculous.
I live on one of the Ozark corp lakes. For some reason hardly any boat traffic this past holiday weekend when normally it would be a mad house. Only saw a couple of jet ski's. I would guess the recreational boat business is in a recession at present.
I keep my boat in a slip at the marina where I can only buy gas at the marina pumps. I was scared to ask what the price was this past weekend. >:( That's ok because I can always use the kayak. ;D
A friend was in Germany last week. He told me the gas price there, converted to American dollars and gallons, was $8.95 a gallon.
The boat business is Booming here on this lake. My Nephew is in the jetski business, and they sell anything they get in. They sold a 74k pontoon boat this week.
Gas went up 20 to 30 cents around here before the holiday and diesel went down about 10 cents. $5.20 diesel and $4.20 on the gas. Lots of campers and boats on the road around here this week and last week. Schools all out now around here and lots of people on the road. Fuel prices don't seem to be keeping any one at home around here.
Saudi Arabia is agreeing to pump more oil, but they are raising the price above what they're selling it for now, so it doesn't look like fuel prices will go down any time soon. Demand is still very high.
Gas (87oct) went up to $4.999/gal here in Russell and surrounding area!
87 octane $4.59
The pump just shut off at $175.00!!! No I did not restart it. :-X
Too much, just too dang much. That's the price in my area.
Quote from: newoodguy78 on June 06, 2022, 04:40:52 PM
Too much, just too dang much. That's the price in my area.
Look at it this way. It's lower this week then it will be next week.
I don't see busy roads around here. I also am not seeing hobby farmers making 20 trips to the house every day like they used to. How can you be working and running to the house every 20 minutes? :D
I live on a dead-end dirt road.
Heading towards 10 homes above me.
Yes, on the ones that leave the hill 2-3 times a day.
Sometimes I don't leave the hill at all.
Not many days I leave the hill twice in one day, unless something breaks down.
We use to be on the road all day. Just go!! We have got back on that. :(
One thing that I enjoy about the gas prices is the peace and quiet now, there are no teens racing dirt bikes, 4-wheelers & side-by-sides up and down this little town road I live on! :)
We jumped to 5.09 for the cheap stuff today. Highest I've ever seen it in Dayton, at least.
What bothers me worse than putting gas in the car is filling up 5 gallon jugs to mow the lawn, just seems worse.
At $5.09 this morning to fill the lawn mower which holds 6 gallons would be 30 bucks .I'm going to see about that flock of goats .
Prices do get ones' attention. But I woe the day that there is no fuel to pump.
Those who recently couldn't find baby formula would have been okay if it were just available but at a higher price.
Quote from: Al_Smith on June 07, 2022, 01:45:55 PM
.I'm going to see about that flock of goats .
You mean a "herd" of goats. :D Don't do it Al. I've been fighting a running battle with my wifes milk goats for many years and have never really had the upper hand for very long.
Your better off covering the the yard with concrete. ::)
I think its "an affliction of goats"
$4.65 for regular in the big town, flex fuel was $3.65 so it got its second tankful of moonshine.
$41 to fill a 5 gallon jug yesterday for saw gas. :-\
Do what a neighbor did on hills he didn't want to mow and trim, throw on a bunch of poly tarps. ;D
There's already been a few things that you can't get, and they are still made. It all depends if they decide to pull product from your area. Try to buy a molasses doughnut in NB, try to buy a lemon angle food cake in NB. Try to buy canned yellow eye or soldier beans in NB. Try and buy Wells Lamont insulated gloves in NB. You can other places. :D
Quote from: beenthere on June 07, 2022, 02:42:14 PM
Prices do get ones' attention. But I woe the day that there is no fuel to pump.
Those who recently couldn't find baby formula would have been okay if it were just available but at a higher price.
I worked at a gas station back when we used the plate number to determine if you could buy gas that day. Some days we supposedly ran out and had none but really there were always a couple hundred gallons in the tanks we saved for us and our families. Back then the tanks always had some water in them so we had to constantly stick them so we didn't start pumping it near the bottom.
Quote from: Don P on June 07, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
I think its "an affliction of goats"
$4.65 for regular in the big town, flex fuel was $3.65 so it got its second tankful of moonshine.
Is that flex fuel worth using? I have read your mileage can decrease by up to 25% depending on the vehicle and it's not the best for the engine if you can avoid it.
I put a 5 gallon can in my UTV today that was $25.00 and it had room for 3 more gallons. Then dumped 6 gallons of $6.00 a gallon diesel in my mower. Remember back when it cost more for beer to mow your lawn then fuel :D. How many goats do you need for 10 acres?
Quote from: SwampDonkey on June 07, 2022, 03:27:51 PM
$41 to fill a 5 gallon jug yesterday for saw gas. :-\
This right here is depressing. I usually keep two 5 gallon jugs full on non-ethanol through the spring-summer-fall seasons for my Mule, Chainsaw, log splitter, and mower. This year I am working on one can and don't refill it until I have to. The splitter is sucking a tank a day now as I work on firewood and I know I will have to refill soon.
Worse, I have a 6 day music fest coming up and I bring 10 gallons plus a full tank for the Mule so I don't have to bother them for fuel. This year that is going to constitute a significant donation for me anyway.
Some donuts, angle cake, and gloves we can get along without much easier than fuel for the splitter, mule, brush cutter, and the car. ;) ;)
@21incher (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24694) , I think they made that particular Ranger for 2 years. What I've read is that engine, stainless tank and coated lines, large bore injectors, computer that reads fuel composition and can super advance timing... was designed for alcohol and runs best on it, on gas it is really running a compromise and in my vast experience it seems to compared to another Ranger with the same sized engine in a regular fuel build. Most people who wrote in to a forum with real experience said it cost around 2-4 mpg in it and it does produce around 8 hp more on flex fuel. What I have read is I need to go get a new fuel filter, it probably scrubbed the tank clean.
In all the digging recently when that system went flakey, i came across a thread, they made 1800 electric Rangers in that same late '90's era, lead acid or nicads, I saw I think 60 miles on the range gauge, the "guess-o-meter". They must have been municipal or some sort of facilities leases, that wouldn't get me over the hill to the store :D. A young guy in CA had 2 of the 400 remaining and had put in a modern battery pack.
Quote from: B.C.C. Lapp on June 07, 2022, 03:09:31 PM
Quote from: Al_Smith on June 07, 2022, 01:45:55 PM
.I'm going to see about that flock of goats .
You mean a "herd" of goats. :D Don't do it Al. I've been fighting a running battle with my wifes milk goats for many years and have never really had the upper hand for very long.
Your better off covering the the yard with concrete. ::)
Herd,flock ,gaggle what ever it is .A congregation of goats perhaps :) I'll just mow it .A flock of sheep wouldn't get it done the coyotes would get them but I suppose a pair of Great Pyrenees herd dogs could dine on the 'yotes .A couple of big nastey smelling foul tempered Billy's might get the job done too .My Lawd do those things stink .
Quote from: Don P on June 07, 2022, 05:27:48 PM
@21incher (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=24694) , I think they made that particular Ranger for 2 years. What I've read is that engine, stainless tank and coated lines, large bore injectors, computer that reads fuel composition and can super advance timing... was designed for alcohol and runs best on it, on gas it is really running a compromise and in my vast experience it seems to compared to another Ranger with the same sized engine in a regular fuel build. Most people who wrote in to a forum with real experience said it cost around 2-4 mpg in it and it does produce around 8 hp more on flex fuel. What I have read is I need to go get a new fuel filter, it probably scrubbed the tank clean.
In all the digging recently when that system went flakey, i came across a thread, they made 1800 electric Rangers in that same late '90's era, lead acid or nicads, I saw I think 60 miles on the range gauge, the "guess-o-meter". They must have been municipal or some sort of facilities leases, that wouldn't get me over the hill to the store :D. A young guy in CA had 2 of the 400 remaining and had put in a modern battery pack.
Wow you have a unicorn. Pretty soon cheap moonshine will cost less then gas and you will never have to worry about supply. Wonder if today's flex fuel vehicles have similar technology.
Don't get dogs to guard your sheep/goats or you'll have to buy dog food, get a standard sized donkey and the donkey will help mow down the pasture plus chase dogs or yotes away.
Just topped off my truck at $5.999 - $105 for 3/4 tank. Needed some diesel for the tractor - $6.899 so $35 for a 5 gallon can. :o :-\ :-X
We are bouncing off $5 for reg 87 here, glad truck is not diesel, still have not had to refill diesel stock for tractors/rtv but the sad day is coming.
2022 Q1 profits:
ExxonMobil - $5,480,000,000 (a 100% increase compared to 2021 Q1)
BP - $6,200,000,000 (highest quarterly profit in a decade)
Chevron - $6,260,000,000 (a 400% increase compared to 2021 Q1)
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$2.14.9 CAD/l for diesel was the best I saw yesterday. I sure don't drive any further than necessary and seldom leave town. I deliver groceries for a non profit organization once a month, it is an 80km (50 mile) trip. They have been giving me $50 to cover my vehicle expenses but at this rate we need to talk! I wanted to retire so I could travel, now I can't afford that. :'(
We missed all that gas embargo of the 70's here, was no rationing at all, business as usual. Can't remember not having fuel, we always had our own tanks on the farm. I remember in the New England states we had warning of it when travelling down to NH to see dad's uncle. But we still could buy gas, I don't remember being stranded.
Food and gloves is more important than gas. I can walk. :D Everyone would be better off creating work within 5 miles and promote more community in doing it, like the good old days. Two generations ago, we didn't go 50 miles to work every day. A lot of farmers had housing for workers who lived far off to, who worked the fields and cut the wood. ;)
I filled up my wife's car today near Beckley WV and it was $4.79/gl for 87 octane.
I watched an interesting article the other night where the commentators were stressing with the current rate at which oil is trading that gasoline should be selling for around $3.50/gl. I wonder where that extra cost/profit is going?
Refineries gave themselves a big raise back 6 years ago or so I noticed.
I've never seen any scarcity of fuel, so it's an artificial hike as far as I can see.
Hurts for sure to pay 5.00/gallon, but that will be a true bargain if we get a good hurricane this season. After a few days with no generator, 10.00/gallon will seem cheap!
From what I've read lately, it is the refineries, not the barrel price that is driving fuel prices higher. The Ukraine situation is not helping any at all. When we reach a price that lowers demand, prices will come down. I'm doing my part to reduce demand, only travel when necessary.
Oh, BTW, 4.75/gallon most places in central Florida. 5.35 or so for diesel. Trip to the Keys this summer gonna be pricey.......
It's up to $5.099 here now!
Prices held steady in Central Virginia for a week or two at $4.49, Diesel $5.50. I said whew! maybe it will go down a bit now. NOPE. Jumped another .10 cents. I took a trip about two hours south and prices were .20 cents higher. Yikes.
Quote from: Chuck White on June 09, 2022, 07:53:08 AM
It's up to $5.099 here now!
Ahhh, the good old days! $6.099 here :(
Did all the guzzintas(Canada/US/liters/Gallons) and its 6.50 US per US gallon here....... Yes indeed Im a walking :D :D :D
Propane at $2.149 the last fill (bill came today).
Just got back from Costco and filled up there. 10 lines wide with about 8 cars in each line. My wife said they must be giving it away. Well the price went down. Paid $4.609 for regular subtract the 4% for using the Costco card and its $4.425. Couldn't believe how fast the lines moved, everyone must have just been topping off at the lower price. That was the only thing that went down at Costco, everything else in the store went up.
Quote from: beenthere on June 09, 2022, 01:43:03 PM
Propane at $2.149 the last fill (bill came today).
Wow. Our dealer wants $4.99 a gallon. Now they want $80 to pick up the tank so we bought a couple gallons so we can keep it a couple months for cooking. Have a hybrid electric water heater on order. I wonder why there's such a difference.
Taxes and whatever distribution numbers game they use.
Sounds like your dealer is a crook. I just signed on with Quarles for 2.69 gal plus a 5 cent senior discount.
Box stores like Costco, BJs, Walmart sell gas at a discount to get you in the store where they get it all back and then some.
Quote from: rusticretreater on June 09, 2022, 03:47:26 PM
Sounds like your dealer is a crook. I just signed on with Quarles for 2.69 gal plus a 5 cent senior discount.
Box stores like Costco, BJs, Walmart sell gas at a discount to get you in the store where they get it all back and then some.
We checked with another local dealer and the same price. We only use a little over 200 gallons a year and wind up in the highest price tier. Our electric is 16 cents a kw up here and getting ready for another increase. That's quite a bit higher also.
yet another reason to make folks leave NY
For 3 hours a Shell station had miss-placed the decimal point on a premium pump. Sold it for $0.699 a gallon!
In our small burg, a certain group of persons have bought all two gas stations the 3rd is sort of locally owned by a man who has 3 small area IGA grocery stores. He's has always been high on gas, the other two were high now FAR!!!!!!!!!!!! higher. As an e.g., they are running 30-40 cents a gallon higher than the next small towns in any direction. Gas is branded from two sources not the same in both. Krogers gives their points for purchase but truth is their groceries are overall higher to get those points plus in my nearest Kroger town, they have not fuel point so the points only work at Shell stations who all up their prices by 10-15 cents per gallon over all other stations.
Meanwhile politicians talk about controlling gouging.
This thread is basically impossible to discuss here with any real meat toward the subject given it's a heavily political subject.
Well, on the plus side, my local Safeway grocery store gas station has lowered their price to $5.859 for cash regular. 8) ::)
Our local hardware store and grocery store are a blessing.
It's pretty bad when it takes 30 dollars to fill up my lawn mower .Which is a Toro zero turn that drinks fuel at about a tad near a gallon and a half per hour .In the course of one week I actually use more gas in the mower than I do in my automobile which has a 4.6 liter V8 engine .
Hope is in sight though because about July in the hot sun the grass doesn't grow as fast but I doubt the price of gasoline will decrease .As luck would have it I have the best of two worlds .Living about 3 to 5 miles from everything I need yet having the luxury of being in a somewhat rural area .Corn fields and soy beans as far as the eye can see .
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I haven't paid 5 bucks yet but yesterday I paid $ 4.999 for regular! The station nearest me, about a mile, just finished getting new tanks and pumps so there is quite a selection, flex fuel @ up to E85, E15, regular is E10-87 octane, mid grade, high test, and ethanol free 89 octane, with diesel at a separate set of islands. None of our cars are approved for the E85 so can't consider it, the Toyota is approved for the E15 but at $4.799 that only saves about 4% so if mileage went down at all it isn't worth it.
Check your mileage with the different percentages of ethanol mixed with your regular gas. With 10% ethanol I get 10% less mpg.
As I see it, the same gallons of regular fuel are used for the miles driven.. and/or I can pay 10% more than the price of 10% ethanol fuel for non-ethanol fuel.
So we don't save any regular gas by adding ethanol. We are being duped?
Seems I read in this thread where E85 gets 25% less mileage. Never have tried it, and don't plan to as long as I can buy ethanol free fuel.
I figure that $4.999 price is really $5.
Gasoline is something that you can not buy as advertised nor be able to pay for it if you could. Who has 9/10 of a cent? ::)
Yes, we were duped several years ago with ethanol and are being duped by EV's now.....by the same people. :-X
Well the average household with 2.3 children has the ability to pay 9/10 of a cent. And 4.999 is MUCH less than five dollars if you just focus on the 4 compared to the 5. All those numbers to the right of the decimal point are just noise. lol
"We duped 'em again, Josie". (Sort of a quote from the movie "The Outlaw Josie Wales".)
this is the highest price for gas i have seen. on the dock for your boat $6.61. it is hi test with no ethanol. only about half the boats on there moorings this year. usually most are in the water by now. at the store $5.05. i bought a new chartplotter for my boat and i can bring up the engine imfo on it. at 1200 rpm it burns .5 gph at 5500 rpm its 21gph at 50 mph
Quote from: beenthere on June 12, 2022, 02:45:38 PM
I figure that $4.999 price is really $5.
Not at all, I got 14 gallon so saved .014 that's over a cent so after just 60 or 70 fill-ups I'll be able to get a small candy bar with the savings! 8)
Only if that candy bar is still at it's old price. :(
Quote from: chet on June 12, 2022, 08:49:18 PM
Only if that candy bar is still at it's old price. :(
We go to a local discount grocery that sells out of date or nearly out of date products at a heavy discount so it will be a full size bar but maybe a little stale. On a more serious note much of their out of date products are just fine.
There have normally been a lot of Tesla's on the road here, especially from all the Zoom workers who rent lake houses, but in the past few weeks the number has gone Way up.
Yesterday, I met a guy on our road driving a new Tesla. He must have been in his 90's. I don't think he is from here, as I had never seen him before, and he didn't raise his hand to wave like everyone who is from here, or has even been here for a while does.
I don't understand what people are talking about with the economy being bad. Things are Booming here, but the lake area has always been immune to economy changes. People in the building business are still having to turn down work, and from what I hear, rental houses are fully booked for the Summer.
Debt is an amazing drug.
Quote from: snowstorm on June 12, 2022, 07:47:45 PM
this is the highest price for gas i have seen. on the dock for your boat $6.61. it is hi test with no ethanol. only about half the boats on there moorings this year. usually most are in the water by now. at the store $5.05. i bought a new chartplotter for my boat and i can bring up the engine imfo on it. at 1200 rpm it burns .5 gph at 5500 rpm its 21gph at 50 mph
Both my Ford F-150 & Lincoln SUV calculate the MPG to a tenth with a button click. Other than knowing they are running OK it's a worthless number.
BMW's (I was a BMW mechanic) have had vacuum gauges that show continuous MPG on the dash for years and again a worthless gizmo. On a boat or aircraft it might save yer life I guess? :D
I'll throw this out again-I did a google inflation adjustment for gas in 1973 when I moved to KY at 24.9 cents per gal and now that 25 cents equals $1.60 in todays USD.
W/O the politics: we are getting screwed. :-X
Quote from: chet on June 12, 2022, 08:49:18 PM
Only if that candy bar is still at it's old price. :(
I read about products that have covid volume adjustments. Cheerios and on & on are now smaller. Even TP has changed.
Quote from: Tom King on June 13, 2022, 08:49:38 AM
There have normally been a lot of Tesla's on the road here, especially from all the Zoom workers who rent lake houses, but in the past few weeks the number has gone Way up.
Yesterday, I met a guy on our road driving a new Tesla. He must have been in his 90's. I don't think he is from here, as I had never seen him before, and he didn't raise his hand to wave like everyone who is from here, or has even been here for a while does.
I don't understand what people are talking about with the economy being bad. Things are Booming here, but the lake area has always been immune to economy changes. People in the building business are still having to turn down work, and from what I hear, rental houses are fully booked for the Summer.
Lots of folks will never rent a lake house or have much. Those people among them who work are hurting seriously. In rural America commuters are pressed to even get to work lately. The "toney set" is hardly a logical measuring stick for a healthy economy, but I do get your point.
Look at my own children who all three work at 6 figure jobs and do still take vacations, live great-their 401K's may never be what they would have been. This is serious stuff.
Quote from: Tom King on June 13, 2022, 08:49:38 AM
There have normally been a lot of Tesla's on the road here, especially from all the Zoom workers who rent lake houses, but in the past few weeks the number has gone Way up.
Tesla is warning of a number of layoffs. Musk had announced earlier a 10% labour reduction of salaried employees and also stated the economy is not as rosy as the government wants you to believe. The manager in Singapore was fired recently due to layoffs coming. He also put a pause on hiring in China.
I can tell ya there are no EV's on sale around here, zip. Ones you see are used or someone moved here from west of here with one. I see some car lots pretty bare. And I've never seen one in person around here. I've seen hybrids in showcase, and that was years ago in Toyota. Today, I see none of those in the local dealers.
We took a thousand mile round trip last week to a antique, classic semi truck show in SpringField ILL. Gas was around 4.69 and diesel was 5.39 pretty much the whole way. Lots of people on the road. Fuel stops all were full of people buying everything. Lots of people and trucks at the show. The 250 dollar a night motel was full. It was a good trip. I do think the high fuel cost will keep us home more this year. Locally there are a couple good sized lakes in my area and I am seeing plenty of boats and campers going by my farm all the time. No body staying home yet.
On the onboard mpg calculations, cars and trucks use whatever calculated method they use.
A boat with properly installed flow meters measures actual fuel flow through the fuel lines. It isn't a calculated number based on previous fuel consumption like many cars and trucks.
Premium non-ethanol gas at the dock here is $5.999
Didn't even make it out of Ohio, half tank, 125 bucks. RV trippin'.
Nowadays, SawyerTed, on the dock, that doesn't sound too bad. I paid 5.76 for Shell premium, in the ghetto (legit), a couple days ago.
Quote from: SawyerTed on June 13, 2022, 03:17:55 PM
On the onboard mpg calculations, cars and trucks use whatever calculated method they use.
A boat with properly installed flow meters measures actual fuel flow through the fuel lines. It isn't a calculated number based on previous fuel consumption like many cars and trucks.
Premium non-ethanol gas at the dock here is $5.999
i am not using a flowscan. i did have one on a boat i had . all the data is coming from the ecm or emm and it connected to the plotter with a nema2000 back bone cable. the cable fittings and engine harness are about $200. most outboards since 06 are able to connect
I didn't mean to sidetrack anyone here, or worse sideline their vehicle. Don't burn over E10 in any regular engine, high alcohol takes a special build. I'm pretty sure it'll lean out and damage a regular engine. I just happened into a flex fuel truck.
Fuel is up worldwide, our prices are lower than most.
FWIW it takes 40 more percent ethanol by volume to equate the same power as pure gasoline .Bulk ethanol is $2.14 a gallon ,do the math .
When they got on the kick the farmers rejoiced but so did Monsanto and John -Deere .If they would have been serious they would have planted sugar beets and cane rather than corn .Now we have five dollar gas and $4.50 a pound hamburger .The farmers are still belly aching automobile drivers are blaming the politicians and everybody is pointing fingers but it still goes up in price .
Speaking of which I need mower gas which I buy 20 gallons at a time so that's a hundred bucks just to mow the lawn .
Al; how long does that 20 gallons for mowing last?
I buy 5 gallons at a time. I get off easy on fuel for mowing; lawn is small enough to use a push mower. Still, I'm curious enough to do an informal study and see how much OPE gas I use in a year. Mower, trimmer, saws, splitter and snow blower. Also have a Suzuki 4x4. Don't expect it to add up to very much. Doubt it will be anywhere near a single fill up on the pick up.
I also go through a bunch of gas for non-road stuff but we pay the road taxes on it, at least for diesel some of the stations have off-road diesel a bit cheaper.
Quote from: gspren on June 18, 2022, 08:42:13 AM
I also go through a bunch of gas for non-road stuff but we pay the road taxes on it, at least for diesel some of the stations have off-road diesel a bit cheaper.
I use a lot of off-road gas in a year on the farm and our tax guy files the paper work at tax time and we get the road tax we pay at the stations back at tax time.
My local station just went down 6 cents two days in a row.
Jim Rogers
I drove two hours west today and saw a 50cents per gallon spread. Near me it's cheaper than anywhere I've been lately-$4.55 was the lowest.
The evening news telling me/us the price of gas is wearing thin? Real people all know the price mostly, yet I still see folks paying much more across the road for gasoline while it's price is a worldwide news item. I guess some people are immune to reality.
West central Ohio today gas was $5.02 and diesel is $6.19
We bought RV gas, in NY (no taxes!) for 4.77.
In Vermont, filled up from about a quarter tank, for 5.09, I think. It was 193 bucks. It was the first gas station I've been to in years that didn't make you pre-pay. I went in, even though there were instructions not to pre-pay on the pump, and handed the lady my credit card and said "I'm about to fill up the RV" she said "go ahead, I trust you". That was nice.
@aigheadish (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=53516) , You may have mentioned in another thread what model RV it is but what model is it and what kind of gas mileage are you getting?
It's a winnebago something 30'er. I haven't calculated the mileage but the guy at the rental place said to expect 8-10.
Gas (87oct) here in Russell has been $4.999 for the past 2-3 weeks.
Price at the pump dropped 10 cents a litre this morning, 2.069/10.
Reg here went down, $4.899 but that still hurts :(.
Erroll, NH yesterday morning was 4.79 87 oct and 5.79 diesel at Irving. Non-e super 5.79. Back home in CT was 5.75 diesel ar Shell where i fill up, 6.09-6.19 most other places.
I noticed yesterday gasoline varied from $4.86 to $4.69 on a drive to and from Toledo .
I saw a guy I know who owns a thriving gas and oil business this morning at the store. I knew his Dad when he started that business in the early 1960's when I was a teenager, and his Dad only had an old pickup truck and a bank loan. He installed gas pumps on the lake himself out of the back of that pickup.
I had a job pumping gas on the lake then, so that's when I met him.
Now his Son, the guy I met this morning owns several truck stops on I95, and other places around with big stores, Subways and such. I've known him since he was a baby, and he is probably in his 50's now.
I say that just to say that I believe what he tells me. I asked him how the gas business was, and he said they're setting records for gasoline every week. I asked him if he meant dollars, and he said, "No. Gallons." He did say that Diesel wasn't quite where it was before the pandemic, but not far behind.
I just filled up my Camry, It had just under a quarter tank. I gave the station a $100.00 dollar bill. I got back $6.00 in change. Gas was 6.19 a gal. cheapest in town. I now need a drink. :-X
Some guys in Kansas are spending over 5,000 a day on Diesel harvesting now
Gas at my local station when down another 3 cents yesterday. Now down to $4.489
Jim Rogers
Quote from: Tom King on June 26, 2022, 11:33:30 AM
I say that just to say that I believe what he tells me. I asked him how the gas business was, and he said they're setting records for gasoline every week. I asked him if he meant dollars, and he said, "No. Gallons."
I'm not surprised at this. Fuel prices shot up and so did the amount of traffic I've seen on the roads. 2 years ago, when fuel was at a third of what it is today, there was noticeably less traffic than what had been normal (yes we had Covid but we weren't locked down at the time).
Quote from: Walnut Beast on June 26, 2022, 02:18:01 PM
Some guys in Kansas are spending over 5,000 a day on Diesel harvesting now
Just wait until that reflects on the price of what they're harvesting.
Here's some gas info from my yesterdays trip: I went from E KY, 171 miles-one way- to ~ 20k south of Indy, IN.
Nearby, gasoline is a range from ~ 4.49 to 4.39 with several Shell stations (mostly all owned by a "certain group" ::) of folks and I'll stay culturally civil here, your welcome ;D) higher than the rest.
Shell gas here qualifies under Kroger grocery fuel points program in the nearest town which has no Kroger gas station so they ALL up the price to match the rest of the market-well sort of, not really as tend to stay higher! I saw several Shells yesterday near me that were $4.79 or higher yet. Go figure huh?
As I near the outskirts of Louisville, KY I see similar prices (outside the city where reformulated gas ups the price there).
As I cross into IN the prices are a range from $4.93 to ~ $5.05.
Using a state tax chart for fuels, IN is 8 cents higher than KY but retail it ranges around 60 cents higher.
In my mind thats what I'm calling a price gouge. :o
The trip left me feeling sorry for folks in IN or using the I-65 corridor from N to S.
Arco or Am/Pm and other no name stations are as "cheap" as $5.89 while Shell and Chevron are in the $6.79 and up price range. Go up in the mountains and it a tad over $7 for regular. With the state surplus tax money, some assemblymen are pushing for dropping the state tax on fuel saving 25 cents a gallon while the governor is pushing a $400/registration rebate.
I remembered talking about filling up on a woodworking forums when gas prices started rising in March. I did a search, and found my post. Judging by that, I filled my diesel truck up in the end of Feb. while the olympics were on, and the tractors. While I had the 100 gallon diesel tank on the truck, I went and filled it back up. I think the price for onroad was 3.79 then, and I don't remember what offroad was, but I have enough to last the rest of this year for the tractors.
I've driven the pickup 435 miles since then, and can drive it another 465 miles before I have to fill it up again. That's without trying to drive less, but I'm tied up at home caring for my 106 year old Mother. Guess it paid off some sort of way.
Regular 87 octane gas just dropped a few cents below $4.00/ gallon in Georgia. That is good because it is too hot to do anything but drive anyway.
Here yesterday was in the 70's/80's, while gasoline keeps going down a bit but not enough to keep it from dominating poor folks commutes or working man trades.
Off road is now $5.35 at my source. Lots of older diesel pickups seen there lately filling tanks in the bed... :D The pump is out back of the station in front of the hardware store where unseen from public in large part.
I still notice that in spite of price variations, lots of people fuel wherever they seem to land, price be damned.
There are many gasoline notions/theories held among drivers toward octane, Top Tier vs, whatever brand and I suspect they keep on buying what's a fungible product no matter the truth as some know it.
Gasoline lesson for the day: read up on "fungible gasoline", that should stir the brands addicts up? ;D
Gasoline is basically the same no matter which brand it is .Prices locally from $4.53 to $4.68 .It's came down a little at least.
I just filled up with some cheap gas 8) Only $5.799! 2/3 of a tank on my Tundra for less than $100 ($96.96 stuffed in).
So when are these stations going to raise the limit of $150.00 on your credit card per sale? Just this AM I needed 200 gallons of diesel in the truck and had to run the credit card many times to get filled up. Diesel at Sam's club $5.25 this AM. Most other station around $5.39-$5.49.
Quote from: Al_Smith on June 28, 2022, 08:45:37 AM
Gasoline is basically the same no matter which brand it is .Prices locally from $4.53 to $4.68 .It's came down a little at least.
Thats why the "fungible" term is used. But lots of people think otherwise and pay thru the nose for what they think is "the best stuff".
87 is now at $4.29 locally here. Off road is still $5.35 but a local logger farmer tells me a bulk oil dealer sells to anyone, any amount, and off roads cheaper yet than my price in front of a local hardware building supply. But I would have to drive further for my small buys.
Central New York, gas $4.95, Diesel $6.17. For Diesel I'm still using $3.40 for my truck, I dread to think what my bulk tank will cost to fill when I need more. I last had it filled in Aug 2021. Glad I don't use like I used to. In my tractor I use farm exempt diesel, I think I pd $2.65 for my last fueling on that, in Oct 2020. Things sure have changed since then.
Saw a guy raking hay with an ATV.
Fuel price for reg. gas dropped 7 cents a litre here. CDN$1.99/litre. Ottawa looking to add on a 'climate change' tax now, meeting on it today. Doing all they can do to kill petrol vehicles by 2040. Elon Musk has already stated that with the current market situation, "new Tesla plants are 'money furnaces' burning billions of dollars." Austin and Berlin
Local Petro Can is out of diesel today so went across the street to Esso, $2.34.9/l :o Ten miles up the road $2.19.9/l and they receive from the same truck. Off brand in town $215.9 We are getting gouged >:(
Working wells and tank batteries in western Kansas are being taken off line right now. I know the guy whose job it is to shut these off and was just there. This is a light crude that will burn in a diesel engine as it comes out of the ground - not really good for the engine - but you get the idea of the quality of the oil.
Why would anyone take existing producing wells off line right now unless there is a desired outcome?
Yet another reason this thread is volatile to say much.
The entire subject is touchy way beyond simply stating the price.
Our oldest Son flew for Petroleum Helicopters International, Inc. for some years after he left active duty Marines. He was based in Houma, LA where PHI maintained the 2nd largest helo fleet in the world (other than the US Government) and kept a large trailer park as housing for the pilots who flew/worked on rotations and lived there while flying crews and big wigs to Gulf of Mexico rigs.
When oil prices fell so low a few years back as the USA was producing and moving much crude, it evolved that they couldn't justify pumping that cheap oil below the production costs and most of the pilots were laid off permanently.
Our boy took the better deal which was a severance pkg that ended his job buy paid more money that taking a chance of no severance. Now many are pumping again and talk of "this and that" out there".
Those rigs & their production during these latest HUGE! oil price increases remain a hot topic political discussion that I cannot touch here. They are part of a political current positioning by our government.
I will say that of all the obvious retail fuel price gouging I see; IMO, nothing will ever come of that in spite of politicians always saying they will.
Quote from: Southside on July 04, 2022, 11:42:36 PM
Working wells and tank batteries in western Kansas are being taken off line right now. I know the guy whose job it is to shut these off and was just there. This is a light crude that will burn in a diesel engine as it comes out of the ground - not really good for the engine - but you get the idea of the quality of the oil.
Why would anyone take existing producing wells off line right now unless there is a desired outcome?
If you'll research that topic it's the subject of much reporting and a well known answer thats complicated. Glut of 2020 USA oil & current lack of workers & materials are the easy parts. Small guys in petro have gone out of business in some cases lately.
I say it's to throttle back supply to keep the prices up. We are begging the middle east to pump more, Europe is screaming for energy, and we shut off systems that have been in place for years. Who is giving the order though is the question.
Quote from: Southside on July 04, 2022, 11:42:36 PM
Working wells and tank batteries in western Kansas are being taken off line right now. I know the guy whose job it is to shut these off and was just there. This is a light crude that will burn in a diesel engine as it comes out of the ground - not really good for the engine - but you get the idea of the quality of the oil.
Why would anyone take existing producing wells off line right now unless there is a desired outcome?
It's because of refining capacity. The light sweet crude is good for single stream refining and does not produce a lot of the by products like Naptha, or bitumen for roads. Light sweet crude makes good diesel fuel and heating oil. The multiproduct variety all comes form heavy crude that has to be shipped in. Refineries like to maximize their production runs to get the most value out of one barrel of oil.
If refineries are not using it, they shut the wells down.
A friend that has heavy equipment keeps hearing that there is going to be a diesel shortage this fall. Says he might have to shut it down if there is none 😂
Quote from: Southside on July 05, 2022, 09:33:09 AM
I say it's to throttle back supply to keep the prices up. We are begging the middle east to pump more, Europe is screaming for energy, and we shut off systems that have been in place for years. Who is giving the order though is the question.
Research that topic (it took me all of a couple of "google seconds" to hit on several articles) for that state using what you already know and you'll see articles which detail the basic reasons for those mostly small energy companies shutting down wells.
It is not to raise prices.
It might have tax benefits, but I'm sure no tax lawyer.
Neither do they need someone to tell them how to run their businesses but we all know they get plenty of that from the government via regulations.
They do what makes sense for their company at the time.
Quote from: snobdds on July 05, 2022, 01:24:33 PM
Quote from: Southside on July 04, 2022, 11:42:36 PM
Working wells and tank batteries in western Kansas are being taken off line right now. I know the guy whose job it is to shut these off and was just there. This is a light crude that will burn in a diesel engine as it comes out of the ground - not really good for the engine - but you get the idea of the quality of the oil.
Why would anyone take existing producing wells off line right now unless there is a desired outcome?
It's because of refining capacity. The light sweet crude is good for single stream refining and does not produce a lot of the by products like Naptha, or bitumen for roads. Light sweet crude makes good diesel fuel and heating oil. The multiproduct variety all comes form heavy crude that has to be shipped in. Refineries like to maximize their production runs to get the most value out of one barrel of oil.
If refineries are not using it, they shut the wells down.
The media tells me we haven't built a USA refinery since the 1970's plus many have been shut down lately or been storm affected and not in production.
Labor, skilled and unskilled is a huge USA issue. Materials and delivery of materials is also huge. Parts to maintain machines, machines themselves, the list is long and varied.
The media also tells me today that USA crude oil has now gone below $100 a barrel as we speak.
It was $4.56 a gallon this morning . It took $75 to fill the tank on Georgia's Envoy from approx 1/8 of a tank.It might go three weeks to a month no more than we drive for it to need filled again . The Ranger might go for 2 months ,same for the full size Mercury .They both get between 23 and 26 MPG on a trip .The Envoy doesn't do that well .It's just more handy .
I have gotten to the point I have zero trust in anything media reported, so take those reports for what they are worth.
Case in point, I was flying Delta, in the Atlanta airport reading a story about how it was the "perfect storm", "Armageddon", "Delta pilots on strike". Had a 35 minute layover, in Atlanta that is supposed to be a death sentence, walked to the plane train, half full, crossed from A to T terminal, walked to my gate with 15 minutes to spare. Actually a smaller crowd than normal, two other airports were empty.
You can't trust anything in the media today, it's all agenda based.
FWIW, the report I read on why Kansas producers were shutting down wells was not a TV or newspaper source. It was energy industry trade publication info. Small energy companies shutting down wells is not a novel thing; it's happened periodically for many years as the marketplace changes.
My wife's uncle Paul Wade, operated a small family owned oil/gas operation on weekends and days off in Eastern KY. He and his wife were childless and her Dad was a wealthy small time energy guy, land owner who worked his way into serious ownings. That uncle was a public school teacher, principal, superintendent his entire life, yet had a well service truck parked in his driveway & rolled up his sleeves every weekend.
My wifes OH uncle owned a drilling company which her own Dad was the main driller for. They drilled based on the market when they could. Every brother in my FIL's large family either drilled, promoted or the one owned the equipment. Thats all they talked about at a family picnic was which formation are you in on the hole your drilling now. It was a "got money some days, none the rest" operation.
Guess what-sometimes her uncle pumped his wells sometimes, then he didn't. The MARKET! dictated when.
Yesterdays market saw crude fall below $100 a barrel and it was a WSJ lead article that you can choose to read or write off as misinformation, your choice.
The word "recession" was a major aspect of that article. As interest rates climb I fear the wall street experts might be right.
Not that we personally have much money to lose (retirement checks, small savings that draws not much) but all of my kids 401K's are at risk.
Education taught me to sort what information I come upon and how to seek such information to begin with. Web info as we all know can be weak. Cable news same thing as very superficial and slanted. I've been shot down here on FF for quoting the NYT's newspaper as if I didn't know they were so politically slanted it's not discussion worthy in some ways. Knowing what "the other side has to say, wrong or not my to my thinking is worthy of my time, even though it often ticks me off royally!
Going back to fuel prices here, it's still going down but based on other folks here I see that my area is an exceptionally low price. WHY? thats the real question.
The high oil prices should be making less profitable wells in times of low prices profitable now. The problem is only wells on private lands are able to be drilled. In Wyoming, we have a lot of BLM land that contains a lot of oil. Two years ago all that drilling stopped. A heavy handed approach to oil leasing resulted in a lot of companies pulling out. Schlumberger and Cyclone drilling have huge yards that's full of idle equipment. Which is weird in a time of high oil prices. Those companies should be going gang busters and they're not.
My off road red dropped below $4.00 today. This is promising.
Quote from: snobdds on July 06, 2022, 10:46:26 AM
The high oil prices should be making less profitable wells in times of low prices profitable now. The problem is only wells on private lands are able to be drilled. In Wyoming, we have a lot of BLM land that contains a lot of oil. Two years ago all that drilling stopped. A heavy handed approach to oil leasing resulted in a lot of companies pulling out. Schlumberger and Cyclone drilling have huge yards that's full of idle equipment. Which is weird in a time of high oil prices. Those companies should be going gang busters and they're not.
If we google "current crude oil prices", only 11 hours ago articles state crude was slumping. Yes, retail energy is still high and hurting us as we all know, but crude is headed downward & many experts fear recession.
There is so much lying to the public about leases and permits which clouds the issues at hand for actual producers and consumers looking to place blame.
Honestly, I doubt many in government know a permit from a lease. I'll refrain from specifics that might offend on that one.
Something about retail energy prices that baffles me: I live about 75K from the refinery that sits on the Big Sandy River near Ashland, KY/Huntington, WV. I have lived in this area since 1973 and NEVER has it been an area to see low retail fuel prices, ever. Now out gas and diesel is lower than nearly anywhere else? Our oldest son lived in Amarillo, TX for several years where gas was cheaper than much of the USA, until it wasn't. He left during the covid period and gas there had climbed to nearly my own areas prices.
Obvious question is how did my area go from high retail to low in recent 10-15 years. It is not a gas war. In fact, during this period the retail near the TN/KY border has climbed a lot, especially on the TN side where they raised the TN gas tax.
Price of gasoline hasn't moved here in 3 weeks.
$4.09 here locally.
Tier one and the rest-higher exceptions for Murphy Mart(Walmart) and the on or next to the interstate places which run from 15-40 cents higher.
Shell locally has around 6 stations (owned by a certain "group" which I cannot name for fear of cultural insensitivity) which all give Kroger points on gas, they range from $4.15 to $4.79 and all within a 10 mile range of each other.
Circle K near me selling for $4.019 87 octane with their payment card.
Jim Rogers
I bought diesel for $2.03.9/L yesterday, down from $2.34.9 last week at local Esso where it is now $2.24.9. He and the Petro-Can (who were dry on Thursday) are beside a busy highway, the sumbee is milking the tourists.>:( The next closest fill up is 10 miles in one direction and 15 the other.
Off road red dropped again and sales are picking up after being dead for 2 months.
5.399 diesel at my favorite shell station in Groton CT today. Down from 5.799 couple weeks ago
Yesterday we paid $3.65 at the stop & shop station, diesel is still around $4.95.
Quote from: Ed_K on July 12, 2022, 08:11:43 AMdiesel is still around $4.95.
>:( Just filled two 5 gallon cans @ $6.43 totaled $68. Put it off as long as I could.
I filled cans last night 91 alcohol free was 5.69.
$2.03.9/l for diesel this morning, same as gas. Still painful but better than what we had.
Diesel is at $5.49 ⛽here,I didn't know what Todo with all this cheap fuel now!!! 🤣🤣
Just looked back to my post to see I made a boo boo it's supposed to be $4.65 ok how I wish it weren't :(.
Several places in my area are now below $4. Whoopee Do!
What with crude market now going below $100 a barrel, retail prices are still too high to be affordable.
$3.89 is the cheapest at several spots, while the local Shell "group" ranges from 3.98 up to $4.74 in the same area.
We traveled south on I-75 yesterday and saw 40cents a gallon above my local area in an area that's typically cheaper than nearer to us.
The story line I hear so often that retailers make only a few cents a gallon seems crazy when I see prices much cheaper near me from sellers who cannot afford to do "loss leader" gasoline sales.
Even as prices go down, many are still cashing in on the backs of the working class!
regular $3.99 to $4.49, diesel $4.39 to $5.39
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on July 11, 2022, 03:39:30 PM
5.399 diesel at my favorite shell station in Groton CT today. Down from 5.799 couple weeks ago
Speaking of which ,Groton Ct . of which I should be there next year .Up coming reunion of the first submarine I served on 50 years ago .With any luck by then the price will drop because it's a long drive from Ohio .
Quote from: Al_Smith on July 14, 2022, 08:28:48 AM
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on July 11, 2022, 03:39:30 PM
5.399 diesel at my favorite shell station in Groton CT today. Down from 5.799 couple weeks ago
Speaking of which ,Groton Ct . of which I should be there next year .Up coming reunion of the first submarine I served on 50 years ago .With any luck by then the price will drop because it's a long drive from Ohio .
I was stationed at the sub base in 1978
The price is s l o w l y going down, 87 oct is $4.789 here a/o yesterday afternoon!
$4.90 diesel here. $3.50 regular.
2/3 tank fill on my Tundra = $100, three 5 gallon jugs of diesel = $100 and various gas cans totaling 22 gallons = $100. Expensive day yesterday. Regular down to $5.399 and Diesel down to $6.199 cash prices. I play the game at Am/Pm. I buy $100 gas cards with my Visa (3% back) and then use that card to get the cash price at the pump. ;)
Quote from: ljohnsaw on July 19, 2022, 10:20:22 AM
2/3 tank fill on my Tundra = $100, three 5 gallon jugs of diesel = $100 and various gas cans totaling 22 gallons = $100. Expensive day yesterday. Regular down to $5.399 and Diesel down to $6.199 cash prices. I play the game at Am/Pm. I buy $100 gas cards with my Visa (3% back) and then use that card to get the cash price at the pump. ;)
With those CA, "down to" prices it's easy to see who's "winning" ;D
Paid $3.73 for regular at the Irving station in Belmont NH on Tuesday. A little encouraging. That station has been mobbed for the last week as it has the lowest price around. Been a tanker unloading every day in the late afternoon.
Diesel has been stable at $197.9/l gas $1.94.9 for the last week or so. Still hurts but we might as well get used to it. ::)
$4.159 for regular at Costco today.
$4.28 here --$3.96 Sylvania Ohio 90 miles north .A little road trip today .
$3.79 / gallon in central arkansas today
Regular gas dropped 4 cents a litre here. CDN$ 1.872/10/litre at the local station.
Quote from: Dragline on July 21, 2022, 04:41:31 PM
$3.79 / gallon in central arkansas today
Similar near me unless you head for Morehead, KY in another direction. I used to work in that town and gas prices have always far exceeded the other small town areas nearby, so we avoided filling up there, when possible. Yesterday it was still $4.39 or $4.49 there at all outlets. I've always assumed those retailers have an organization that holds the prices upwards?
It's a, shopping place for rural folks and a regional college town and huge lumber industry town, so truckers suffer as do I-64 travelers.
I call that gouging.
Two small corner stores had gas for $4.30 a gallon. Others are about 40-50 cents more.
I paid less than $5/gallon for the first time in months for diesel yesterday. If you haven't heard of Upside app check it out. The price for diesel was $4.95 at the pump. With Upside i got 21 cents off of that so $4.74 per gallon. The rebate comes back to you thru the app which you have to cash out whenever you want. I usually wait til I have about $100.
$4.599 yesterday here in my county in WV for regular. It was $4.499 one county over last weekend. They are typically 20-24 cents cheaper than us.
Had to do some running in the city yesterday big spread on price. $469 gas $539 diesel on the way into the city. I paid $414 for gas at Sam's club. In the city I saw $439 gas and $500 diesel.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on July 22, 2022, 08:42:59 AM
I paid less than $5/gallon for the first time in months for diesel yesterday. If you haven't heard of Upside app check it out. The price for diesel was $4.95 at the pump. With Upside i got 21 cents off of that so $4.74 per gallon. The rebate comes back to you thru the app which you have to cash out whenever you want. I usually wait til I have about $100.
Our CU Visa pays us back as many do. Ours works at double points for gas & grocery buys. Of course, we all pay for such stuff no matter if you use cash or card to buy stuff.
Krogers points system can result in a large cents off buy also means you'll pay there higher grocery prices to get to that higher points level, over Walmart's price points, so hard to calculate the true savings.
For us it's worse because our Krogers has no self-branded station and the Shell stations in their points program all overcharge their gas at the pump compared to the other retail pumps, so it works against the set-up to save.
Yesterday's grocery run our prices were down to $3.72 locally, a few were @ $3.79. That cheapest station also gives 5 cents off for cash. In the past month or so he went to pay before you pump due to many drive offs not paying. I don't mind as the owner keeps down prices. His off-road pump is back in front of his hardware store so I don't know the price but is always best in area, other than bulk sales.
I had to get gas for the mower and tractor this morning .Which BTW I buy more for than for the three vehicles we drive . It was $4.19 local and 20 cents cheaper other side of town .I live in kind of remote but it's only 3-4 miles from everything ,gas, groceries etc .Kind of the best of both of two worlds in a manner of speaking .That said it was a tad over 50 bucks for about 16 gallons .
I just got back from an island in Alaska where fuel is 10-15 cents cheaper than here in S.California !
The average price in this area is $4.449 for 87 octane!
Regular low of $3.61, diesel $4.59
Tuesday I saw $3.76 for regular .Depends on what side of town you are on, could be 20 cents higher on my side .
Went to the city this AM and finally the prices have come down. Gas is four bucks and diesel is five bucks. Still put a hundred dollars worth in the pickup.
Filled up my 20 gal gas caddy this week with ethanol-free gas for close to $100 at 4.99/gal
2 cent a litre drop on reg gas this week and probably 20 cent a litre drop on diesel. Diesel is under $2/litre now.
Just got back from a Costco shopping trip. Regular was $3.999 and diesel $5.299. Felt bad holding up the long line by filling up a couple diesel cans for my tractor after filling the empty gas tank on my truck.
$3.69 here lately. If you search a state fuel tax chart it will not correspond with retail prices between states, other factors are the main determinate for retail price.
We're down to $3.99 reg and $4.57 diesel
Yesterday we traveled eastward to I-75 then southward close to TN. Locally we are at $3.57 and I saw $3.49 & $3.54 on further south, 41 miles above the TN state line. A Love's Truckstop was @ $4.04 where I got on I-75 then 40 miles south another Love's was @ $3.55. Speedway was @ $3.79 same spots.
A WSJ article this last few days by an oil industry spokesperson said retail hasn't accounted for increased production & refining & delivery costs as yet. Thats something I don't understand? How or why would they know about an increased cost, yet we not see it affect prices at retail? Seems like they're admitting to knowing something yet not factoring it?
reg $3.57, diesel $4.48
Regular $3.32. Diesel $4.50.
Quote from: WDH on August 01, 2022, 10:33:08 AM
Regular $3.32. Diesel $4.50.
Not many years ago GA was some of the cheapest gas anywhere. As you'd leave FL that entire strip of motels and gasoline from the line up to Macon was cheap. Now not (usually) true, I've even bought gas in FL for less than GA a few times.
Filled the 4Runner this morning for 4.299, most of the stations were 4.39.
Good to see it under $4 for some of you. Lowest I've seen was $4.27 about 45 minutes North of me. I thought that was a deal and filled up at $52.
Awful to think $4.27 is a deal. ::)
My last purchase, I paid $3.49 per gallon for 87 oct.
My wife's second daughter does these online surveys she gets, and by doing that she gets a big discount per gallon. I don't know what these surveys are or how to get them.
But last time they "piggy backed" (that is they start the pump, fill one van and then pull out and then fill the second van on the same purchase) they paid $2.99 per gallon. They filled both vans.
Jim Rogers
Yesterday a barrel of oil went down to $91.00. 87 went back up to $4.11 was $3.99 and diesel up to $5.27 was $4.57. Who's stealing this time.
Yesterday I had a reason to drive south into Maryland and filled up the Subaru at $3.89, that's $.040 cheaper than here. I know a few people that live near me that drive down just for gas but 20 miles one way doesn't make sense to me.
Lots of stations have regular at $4.999 and a few at $4.959. Diesel is still flirting with $6. Lowest I've seen I think was $5.89
$3.87 reg, $5.09 diesel in central virginia
WTI Oil is holding below 90. Big oil is making more profit than ever in history. We've had 90 oil before without these fuel prices. It will all come crashing down at some point. My offroad is still $4.59. Gas is all over the place from 3.59 to 4.29. That's a huge spread and rewards people for shopping.
I mostly agree but many, many factors are at play, one being that the USD has fallen in value, along with distribution costs going up along with refining costs.
The huge variations in retail price points within a small geographic area of one state bother me more.
50-60 cents a gallon is big bucks! Love truck stops i went by again yesterday are only 40 miles apart yet have 40 cents spread and other brands are larger than that in same area.
Gas buddy Lima Ohio -$3.41 to $3.76
large fleet price on diesel is just under $4 yet the pump price here is 5.20 figure that one out.
In Dayton, Ohio I'm seeing $3.66ish.
Reg. gas dropped 15 cents a litre here today.
Bought BP here in Camargo, KY @ $3.28 yesterday. The same "cultural family ownership group" has a BP in my small burg priced at $3.79 currently and only 20 miles from the $3.28 place with both sharing suppliers too.
Others around the cheaper one are @ $3.39 while Murphy's/ Walmart is $3.31 in the nearby town 5 miles away.
My off-road cost only 4 cents less than on-road? ???
Quote from: 21incher on May 18, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
Just saw on the news that gas pump manufacturers are cranking out new faces for the pumps with an additional digit. Apparently the prediction is that diesel will be over $10.00 a gallon in June and gas over $10.00 a gallon sometime before the end of summer so pumps that go over $9.999 will be required in the near future. This is crazy.
Did you mean $10 a gallon for this year or next year? Maybe you meant $10 a gallon sometime this decade or next decade?
We finally have a few stations in this area that are posting $3.999 8)
$3.14 here at KY-Murphy Mart/Walmart. It's probably less around Corbin, KY on I-75 south.
$2.96 per gallon for unleaded regular today in Clinton, AR
Central Vermont diesel ⛽ today was $5.09
I think gas was around 3.98
Well, the price drop over the last couple of weeks down to $4.499 is now gone. Back to $4.959. :(
3.59 for 87 unleaded with ethanol. Staying fairly steady here.
Looking at the level of the strategic oil reserve as it is dropping off the cliff, won't be long before prices head in the other direction. Lowest level since 1985 and it's dangerous to keep pumping from it. Guess after Nov we will see what happens because it's supposed to be shut off the end of Oct.
I bought gas for 2.97 yesterday. Unfortunately the same station was still 4.59 for diesel. It would be nice for diesel to come down.
Gas Buddy Lima Ohio $3.19 to $3.59 .Odd since the $3.59 is on the cross roads of the USA ,Beaverdam Ohio at the junction of US 30 and I 75 .About 8-10 miles north of me .
$2.999 for E10 regular at several upstate stations, a dime cheaper at the least expensive stations in the state (not close to me). Refined gasoline is creeping up to ~$2.54 on the commodities market so there's room for lower prices, just not enough incentive. I'm kind of torn on this issue as I'd love to see lower prices at the pump but I'm heavily vested in enough energy stocks that the dividiends alone pay for more fuel than I'll ever use and that only becomes moreso as profits go ^
Although the stock market is another subject I don't lose any sleep over .It ebbs and flows like the waves of the north Atlantic .I'm not Bill Gates but for a country boy have done okay considering .For me it's just passive wealth because I doubt I'll ever need to use it .Over time, long term it's always made 10-12 percent .
Real estate is another .You of course need to pay property taxes on it just like you have to pay income tax on dividends etc on stocks but long term it usually works in a positive way .
As far as gasoline prices I'm old enough to remember when it was 27 cents a gallon but average wages might have been $2.50 an hour .Well times have changed not much more to be said about it .As far as the economy we've all survived in the past and will in the future .If not we'll all be in the same boat .
Around five bucks. I'm sure these boys are not happy about fuel prices. Need some serious rain. It's dry and dusty out in the country
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The grain cart being pulled by the Case Quadtrac is 2,200 bushel cart only 150,000 for it and all you need is a minimum 400 hp tractor to pull and run it
Gas has climbed here the last 3 weeks. CDN$1.74/litre (CDN$6.56/US gallon or US$4.73/gallon). Gas is a lot cheaper here than westward, Irving refinery is near here. 25 cents a litre higher on the west coast.
Gas dropped here yesterday from $3.099/gal to $2.999/gal for regular at Costco.
Ours is $3.19. other than the west coast, the USA has about 3-4 groupings of retail fuel price points. Mine is the next to the lowest. I still see variations in my area of a few cents to ~ 50 cents per gallon here. We were at 3.05 until past couple of weeks. No matter that many are getting hit hard here where nearly all jobs call for a serious commute, I still see many buying at high price point stations like they don't care or notice the sign out front. My small burg prices tend to be around 35-40 cents higher than 10 mile down the road where it gets competitive. Sad fact for those who don't get away from here or buy tiny amounts to leave here as no money. Same people blow bucks on lottery tickets though, so go figure. ;D
Yesterday it was $3.89 a gallon .However you can get E-85 cheaper but I personally won't use it .I feel that high tech moonshine would make better cattle feed than it does a fuel additive .--mumble grumble ---
CDN $7 a US gallon since yesterday around here. I see the Fed Gov. here in Canada just sent out inflation money today direct deposit. Maybe that is for the 12 cent a litre hike yesterday for gas. What a bunch of clowns. ::)
Gas fairly stable in VA at $3.45 or so. Diesel spiked to over $5. $5.22 statewide average according to AAA.
Sheetz in Powhatan yesterday, regular 87 was 3.49. E15 was 3.12. E85 was 2.91
Dropped here further to $2.959/gallon at many of the predictably lower priced stations (typically the only places I buy) and a slight increase in the commodity price brought the low retail to between $2.979 & @2.999. So essentially little to no change.
Quote from: bigblockyeti on November 04, 2022, 02:12:32 PM
Dropped here further to $2.959/gallon at many of the predictably lower priced stations (typically the only places I buy) and a slight increase in the commodity price brought the low retail to between $2.979 & @2.999. So essentially little to no change.
If you filled out your profile with your location, we'd know where you are talking about.
Jim Rogers
P.S. I paid $3.049 today.
Right back up to $4.29 today....
$5.79 gal for Diesel today Citgo. Irving wanted $5.99 gal.
Hanging around $4.899 for regular and $5.699 for diesel.
3,79.9 in most stations around here.
Diesel is way over 5 bucks, near 6 in some places.
Bought our off rd diesel last week for 5.19.9, 100 gal minimum.
2 years ago almost to the day it was 1.79.9
Like Jim Rogers said, fill out your profile so we know of where you speak.
Bangor Maine...
Heating Oil $5.49
Kerosene $6.49 (although some locations are out)
Regular UL $3.89
Middle UL $4.22
Premium $4.50
Diesel $5.95
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Triple the cost across the board since Hidden Biden crawled out the basement and caused the price increases.
Tuesday can change that if you vote for effective positive change.
Diesel is $US8.40/US gallon up here. Big jump yesterday.
If they were complaining during Katrina's big jump, they should be ready to park their trucks for a long winter. I don't know who can afford this, the farmers are complaining already. Back to oxen and plows.
Quote from: petefrom bearswamp on November 05, 2022, 08:12:10 AM
Like Jim Rogers said, fill out your profile so we know of where you speak.
Sorry, I had my location in my profile listed as upstate SC, but that apparently doesn't immediately show up below my avatar. The cheapest fuel around me was (and still is) at the Spartanburg, SC Costco and Sam's Club as well as a few other near by stations. Still hanging in there at $2.979/gal for regular.
Quote from: TN King on November 05, 2022, 11:00:43 PM
Triple the cost across the board since Hidden Biden crawled out the basement and caused the price increases.
Tuesday can change that if you vote for effective positive change.
Guess what happened... :-X
Gasoline dropped to under $2.36 on the commodities market Friday and the price at the pump for regular has been inching down for over a week. There's a Walmart close to downtown Spartanburg that has it for $2.85 and the Costco I mentioned previously has it for $2.86. It will be interesting to see which way it trends over the next week.
Still $4.099 here in Russell for 87 oct.
The last off highway Diesel that I bought was $4.499, but @~4 gallons per day, that is still less than $20 per day sawing.
I adjusted my sawing rate up to account for that plus my truck expenses.
Gas and diesel have both dropped over 26 cents a litre since my last report.
$1.61/litre for gas (US$4.44/gallon), $2.70/litre for diesel. Heating oil is $2.48/litre
Here in western Ma. on road was $4.999 I call that $5. they need to get rid of the 9/10th, it's only a penny. I filled the pickup on Sat. @ $3.699 That's really $3.70, $73.98 to fill it.
Diesel was $4.89 this morning, down from $5.99 in just a week, at my favorite Shell station in Groton CT
Last Monday, my local AP/PM regular dropped from $4.839 to $4.639 and 2 days later to $4.539, where it sits now. If I take a short drive, I can get it for $4.099 (at a 76 station) and a lot of places at $4.299. Diesel is still $5.69 or more. There are some places still selling regular for $5.79 or more and diesel over $6.
87 Octane here is around 3 bucks a gallon. Diesel is right at 5 bucks a gallon. Don't make sense to me for the 2 dollar a gallon difference.
Been on the road a little bit the last couple weeks bought some gas in Kansas for less then three dollars. Diesel in that area was just under five. Gas in my area is 3.40 and diesel is 4,89. Was in Iowa yesterday central Iowa close to Minn. Gas was 3.40 and diesel was five. Gas is down a little but diesel has stayed steady around here.
Quote from: ljohnsaw on November 27, 2022, 08:26:23 PM
Last Monday, my local AP/PM regular dropped from $4.839 to $4.639 and 2 days later to $4.539, where it sits now. If I take a short drive, I can get it for $4.099 (at a 76 station) and a lot of places at $4.299. Diesel is still $5.69 or more. There are some places still selling regular for $5.79 or more and diesel over $6.
And now dropped to $4.439 at my local station. So, something like forty cent drop in two weeks.
The bottom is falling out of the commodities market in some areas, gasoline is trading at under $2.06/gallon at the time I'm typing this. The retail market is floating down like a feather, very, very slowly. The cheapest regular around me is $2.699/gallon with several stations hovering at $2.729/gallon. I'm hoping for more of a drop (who isn't) but I don't urgently need to fill everything up either.
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Last Monday, my local AP/PM regular dropped from $4.839 to $4.639 and 2 days later to $4.539, where it sits now. If I take a short drive, I can get it for $4.099 (at a 76 station) and a lot of places at $4.299. Diesel is still $5.69 or more. There are some places still selling regular for $5.79 or more and diesel over $6.
And now dropped to $4.439 at my local station. So, something like forty cent drop in two weeks.
Today down to $3.999 (that magic threshold!). 44 cents in 13 days. :)
Reg gas here is $3.89 =/- .005. Home heating oil $5.00 and just ordered propane today at $1.75 which is a big part of my switch from a 17 year old oil furnace to a new propane furnace hooked up yesterday.
Is that propane at $1.75/gallon & delivered? If so, that's an awesome deal. The best I can get when filling bottles is $12.42 after tax I paid for filling an empty 20lb bottle at Costco & they'll fill bottles up to the 100lb size. Assuming I bought 4.6 gallons, that works out to $2.70/gallon & driving just under 30 miles to get it.
Gasoline around $2.75 .Propane 2 bucks .On the later unless a Siberian express blows through one tank( 500 gallon ) should do it .The wood stove insert is carrying that load nicely .Evidently the natural convection in this house must move the heat around very well .The furnace has not ran since the first week of November .
Quote from: bigblockyeti on December 10, 2022, 07:23:54 AM
Is that propane at $1.75/gallon & delivered? If so, that's an awesome deal. The best I can get when filling bottles is $12.42 after tax I paid for filling an empty 20lb bottle at Costco & they'll fill bottles up to the 100lb size. Assuming I bought 4.6 gallons, that works out to $2.70/gallon & driving 20 miles to get it.
That's delivered and pumped into a 500 gal tank, I mentioned in the other thread that it is probably taxed different if its for heating a home versus grilling some wienies.
FWIW no more gasoline I use or propane to grill weenies I don't get real concerned what it costs .Those fuels are only a 3 mile drive for me .Really it's the best of
two worlds .10 acres with 7.5 wooded so the firewood which will never run out in my life time is within 500 feet in any direction .Plus shopping is usually within 3-4 miles .
$3.35 a gallon for gas, and $5.69 diesel at the pump here in my neck of the woods NH
I was out and about today in the rain and filled up with $3.479 cash. Then I saw a Chevron station with regular for $5.859 and diesel for $7.4something. Across the street was a good buck and a half cheaper - but people were still buying the expensive stuff!
In eastern NC I paid $2.789 today 10 cents off list price for direct payment from their card.
Wife paid $2.739 at Sam's club yesterday.
Jim Rogers
Had my bulk tanks filled the other day. Gas $2.78. Off road diesel $2.75. On road diesel $3.45. Northwest Ohio
Sams club is usually the cheapest except I have an ought with them .Paid my 50 bucks only to get a notice 6 months later they needed more money .You only get one chance to put the wammy to grumpy old Al .I'm done with them----
Gas dropped another 10 cents a litre to CDN$1.51/litre (US$4.16/US gallon). Must be that $60/barrel Russian oil they are buying and selling back. All kinds of oil now. Corruption to it's fullest. :D :D
I gassed up the truck yesterday and gas here in Russell was $3.59 for 87 octane.
I paid $3.54 for a gallon of regular.
Paid $2.659/gallon for regular at Costco today, looks like there's a few other stations 2 cents cheaper now. I still remember being freaked out seeing it jump from $1.79 to $1.92 to $2.36 to $2.55 and up and up. We've been conditioned to thinking that only being mildly ripped off is a good deal.
Quote from: thecfarm on August 03, 2022, 05:29:19 AM
Good to see it under $4 for some of you. Lowest I've seen was $4.27 about 45 minutes North of me. I thought that was a deal and filled up at $52.
Awful to think $4.27 is a deal. ::)
I said the same thing way back in Aug. ::)
A lot of it is location .For example I'm about 10-12 miles from Beaverdam Ohio which is at one of the cross roads of the USA being of US 30 and I 75 .Fuel usually is a few cents cheaper but not always .Meijer with their credit card is a 10 cent discount .All kinds of angles you just have to find them .
I might add for the propane I get a discount also as I pay the driver the day it gets delivered .I pay exactly nothing for interest nor ever carry a balance on any thing related to credit .Like good old Ben of kite flying said .A penny saved is a penny earned .
Gas Buddy online or app will show the prices around, depends on customers inputting the prices though. Might even be a few gas stations adding to it also. ;D
Gas (87 octane) has fallen further to $2.499/gallon at several stations with 10 minutes of me.
Filled the old ranger and 5 5gallon cans this morning, $2.95.9. In my sawmill yard are 2 old yard only picker trucks, 1 diesel and the other a 392 IH gas [F1800/ Prentiss F rear mount] Guess which one I have been using? Who would of guessed that diesel would be $2.00 more than gas.
Gas dropped another 9 cents a litre here this week. CDN$1.42/litre or US$3.92/US gallon.
Still $3.59 for 87 oct. in Russell, 5 miles down the road it's $3.39
$2.65 today
E-10 at Sam's club today is 2.95 most other stations are 3.09. Diesel is still running around 4.69.
87 Octane bottomed out at $2.459/gallon then a little blip in the commodties market and it shot up to $2.899/gallon at virtually all the stations near me at once. Up like a rocket and I'm sure it'll be down like a feather yet again.
Well, our "down the road" gas jumped from $3.39 to $3.54, still $.04 cheaper than the rest of them in this area!
Gas Buddy today top 10 from $ 2.60 to $2.89 .
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Last Monday, my local AP/PM regular dropped from $4.839 to $4.639 and 2 days later to $4.539, where it sits now. If I take a short drive, I can get it for $4.099 (at a 76 station) and a lot of places at $4.299. Diesel is still $5.69 or more. There are some places still selling regular for $5.79 or more and diesel over $6.
And now dropped to $4.439 at my local station. So, something like forty cent drop in two weeks.
Today down to $3.999 (that magic threshold!). 44 cents in 13 days. :)
Was down to $3.699 for the entire week before Christmas. I commented to the kids that it looks like fuel prices have finally stabilized. We were seeing price changes up to twice a day at some stations. So the next afternoon, the prices went up 4 cents ::) and has held for a few days there. There is a station that I hit when I'm out an about that is $3.399. Pretty consistent that it is 30 cents cheaper then my local and 20 cents cheaper than anything else I see.
Happy New Year not!! Called 3 weeks ago on 1 1/2 screened white crushed rock and it was 900 bucks for truck and pup. Called back again to get some later in the week thinking it had went down. Wrong!! Fuel surcharges since the first. 1,100 bucks for truck and pup now 😡😡😡
You can't even turnaround without getting charged extra or taxed anymore
What I saw today in my agenda it was from $3.04 to $3.14 .E-85 which nobody I know uses it was $2.59 . < I wonder if that stuff would be good tractor fuel ? No matter because I doubt I will even use 5 gallons all winter hauling in the fire wood .The stacks are only about 100 feet from the house .
It's $3.65 here in Russell, down the road 5 miles it's $3.63
Filled up in Maryland today for 3.21, if I'd of waited 30 miles until I crossed into Delaware I saw 3.19. We take this route monthly and it's a guess where it will be cheaper but usually only a few cents between MD & DE while .45 cents higher in PA.
Gas Buddy Lima Ohio $2.98---$3.19
Has climbed 12 cents/litre since the last report, $1.54/litre ($US 4.36/US gallon) locally.
We went from a low of $2.459/gallon for regular E-10 a few short weeks ago to around $3.099/gallon as a little blip in the commodities market made many things shoot up like a rocket. When (if) things drop back down, retail prices will very, very slowly follow suit.
Fuel here in GA. just took about a 30 cent jump. They had taken the sales tax off when it went crazy last year and put it back on the other day. The state does have over 6 billion surplus so it was the least they could do. Probably all them folks coming down to watch some good college football. :D
Some here jumped up $.15/gal.
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Last Monday, my local AP/PM regular dropped from $4.839 to $4.639 and 2 days later to $4.539, where it sits now. If I take a short drive, I can get it for $4.099 (at a 76 station) and a lot of places at $4.299. Diesel is still $5.69 or more. There are some places still selling regular for $5.79 or more and diesel over $6.
And now dropped to $4.439 at my local station. So, something like forty cent drop in two weeks.
Today down to $3.999 (that magic threshold!). 44 cents in 13 days. :)
Was down to $3.699 for the entire week before Christmas. I commented to the kids that it looks like fuel prices have finally stabilized. We were seeing price changes up to twice a day at some stations. So the next afternoon, the prices went up 4 cents ::) and has held for a few days there. There is a station that I hit when I'm out an about that is $3.399. Pretty consistent that it is 30 cents cheaper then my local and 20 cents cheaper than anything else I see.
Ahh, the good old days! Never thought I'd get excited about $4.79 cash price for regular. ::) Most places are $4.99 or $5.09. Major name brands are as high as $6.19!!!
All through this area, the price for 87 octane is $4.099
I have not noticed more than a cent movement per litre up and down every week here since July. July that added on two taxes, carbon, and clean energy taxes. Of course the feds have no oversight on the clean energy tax so the provinces are taxing customers and not refineries. It was meant to tax refineries. They dream up nonsense and don't implement it as advertised. :D
If they would have taxed the refineries the customer would have ultimatly paid it anyway.
The tax is suppose to be used to incentivize clean energy development (through rebates), not to pocket for profit. Which is nothing more than a shell game. As it's being implemented they have no reason to bother.
With oil just below $90 a barrel and reserves on empty this time plus canceling leases I think it's going to hurt the pocketbook by year end. OPEC isn't giving an inch with cutbacks for now. Like they are saying get gas over $7.00 a gallon and everyone will buy a EV. :-X
Quote from: 21incher on September 11, 2023, 09:57:42 AM
With oil just below $90 a barrel and reserves on empty this time plus canceling leases I think it's going to hurt the pocketbook by year end. OPEC isn't giving an inch with cutbacks for now. Like they are saying get gas over $7.00 a gallon and everyone will buy a EV. :-X
Maybe....Still don't see how there will be enough infrastructure in charging
stations to make it viable for several years in the future. In addition the electric grids would need to be upgraded significantly which would likely take decades. Particularly when the powers that be will not embrace nuclear generation and they want to eliminate coal, oil and LP from the equation :(
In my county regular is 3.69/gallon. One county over it is 24 cent/gallon cheaper as they have multiple distributers and some competition which we don't have here.
Quote from: JD Guy on September 12, 2023, 12:22:43 PM
Maybe....Still don't see how there will be enough infrastructure in charging
stations to make it viable for several years in the future.
Up here, more than half of the EV chargers installed don't even work reliably according to their own figures. It's going to take some doing.
$3.65 a gallon for 87 today near Concord NH
Just over 2 euros per litre for both 95 octane petrol and ordinary diesel fuel. 2 euros per litre equals 9,40 US dollars per US gallon.
There is a war going on uncomfortably close to us driving up prices on everything.
I often don't even pay attention to what I'm paying at the pump. I'll have an idea of an average price or what the trend is, but I have to buy the fuel either way in most cases🤷
I did keep an eye on diesel fuel prices on out recent trip out west. I sae prices between $4.19 to $5.19 per gallon. Minnesota is actually typically cheaper than Wyoming, and North and South Dakota, even though out fuel taxes are higher. I think that has to do with hauling distance and refinery capacity.
In our area in the last six weeks gas has went up around sixty cents a gallon and diesel has went up around fifty cents a gallon. Gas is around 3.79 and diesel is around 4.25. Glad I bought my fuel for harvest earlier when I thought it was high. LOL
Read an article online a week or so ago. Said to wait till after September 15th. That's when they can start to sell winter blend. Prices will drop 30 cents!
Prices have gone up 30 to 50 cents depending on the area.
6.10 a gallon here. ouch
I just paid $3.199 for 87 octane and 3.999 for road Diesel. Both are up about 40¢ per gallon.
Its $3.699 here for 87 octane but one county over it is $3.299 and I even saw one station advertising $3.249.
I think we only have one supplier here and over in the next county they have multiple with some real live competition in play.
Just today I paid $3.13 with direct card payment. They give 10 cents of a gallon when you use their card. Pump price was #3.23.
I just paid 5.79 gal. in S. Ca. I think the days of a driving vacation is over. :'(
at the nearest station just a few minutes ago:
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Price is high to begin with because of the 'price of carbon' and added on 'refinery tax', but it has dropped 12 cents a litre in 2 weeks. Trudeau's big dream, tax and spend. Inflation went from 3 to 4% in a month, but based on anything you buy it's way higher, so everyone up here knows that is total BS. Valuation on the house for insurance is higher than 4% year over year, double in 5 years. I see nothing to back their inflation rate figure.
6.40 yesterday
Love this place in Kansas! How about the diesel!!
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I see HW 36. what town?
Washington
Here in Russell, the gas price is $3.59/87oct 91oct is about a buck more!
Well, we have a Russel Ks, where Bob dole is from. And Washington Ks is 45 minutes from my hometown of Concordia, Ks. I sold insurance out of Washington, Ks when I was trying to earn money to go back to school, and interest rates were 21% variable rate, in the early 80s. So, no homes being built! A band I was in played in a diner where the young folks left kids in car seats on the booth table so they could dance, and the older folks would keep an eye out for the kids.
I played drums and had blond hair to my shoulder blades. always neat and clean as my former army MP Dad would otherwise "offer" to cut it for me. Our band has a country and a rock name. I do not remember them now. Old friend Glen played guitar by ear and Dan played piano the same. we could take a request and play a sone for the first time having never rehearsed it, at a dance. The good ol days!
Remember Bob Dole? he was asked in an interview, "boxers or briefs"? (like Jordan) and he said "Depends"!
My guess is Saudis and Opec are going to do another market flood to drive the US producers out of the market like they did a few years ago. Banks would not go near the US producers for a couple of years as they lost billions but the run up in oil prices got them back in. That means some real low prices for a year or so to squeeze out the high cost producers and then a run up to $100 a barrel. Hopefully the US can refill the strategic oil reserve before the run up.
Price been falling here for a month. Would be even less if no refinery and carbon tax on top.
Gas prices were plumiting for a while. Settled out at $3.979 reg with diesel a bit over $5.
We are almost down to $3 [reg gas] now. I am thinking after Christmas we may get below $3. If that happens it's time to fill all the tanks again.
$2.49
Interesting Doc! That brought a few good memories back for you! They are open 24/7 there and that's the cheapest I've found in my travels if you're rolling through.
Quote from: Walnut Beast on December 15, 2023, 07:41:42 AM
Washington
Seeing that intersection brings back a lot memory's back in the 70's, 80's and into the 90's hauling fuel across highway 36. There was a terminal on south of Washington we use to load at and went threw Washington a lot in the winter going out to a refiner in western Kansas to load number one fuel to take back to south east Nebraska. Current fuel price at Sam's club in Lincoln Ne is $2.48 unleaded and $3.60 diesel just filled up this AM. Most other places were $3.12 unleaded and $4.05 diesel.
Little gas station down the road has gas for 2.49. Their price on diesel is not very good. I get diesel with upside and the best I've done recently was about 3.39. I'm hoping to see diesel down to $3.
2.41 in Omaha a couple places, 2.47 in town last I filled up.
Quote from: peakbagger on December 15, 2023, 08:54:22 AM
My guess is Saudis and Opec are going to do another market flood to drive the US producers out of the market like they did a few years ago. Banks would not go near the US producers for a couple of years as they lost billions but the run up in oil prices got them back in. That means some real low prices for a year or so to squeeze out the high cost producers and then a run up to $100 a barrel. Hopefully the US can refill the strategic oil reserve before the run up.
You mean U.S. Presidents don't control worldwide oil prices??? :D :D
Quote from: Tom King on December 16, 2023, 08:25:02 AM
Quote from: peakbagger on December 15, 2023, 08:54:22 AM
My guess is Saudis and Opec are going to do another market flood to drive the US producers out of the market like they did a few years ago. Banks would not go near the US producers for a couple of years as they lost billions but the run up in oil prices got them back in. That means some real low prices for a year or so to squeeze out the high cost producers and then a run up to $100 a barrel. Hopefully the US can refill the strategic oil reserve before the run up.
You mean U.S. Presidents don't control worldwide oil prices??? :D :D
He is taking credit for the price drop caused by putting so many EVs on the road that the demand for fossil fuels is dropping causing price drops ;D
Careful folks with the political comments, this ain't the restricted board.
We seem to be at about parity, for now, between gas and propane. Gas looks to be around 2.50 or so, propane just got filled up for 2.47, I think. Diesel is still quite high, around 4.50 and a couple weeks ago I bought Kerosene for 6.60(! ouch). I did fill my car tank, with premium, for less than 40 bucks a week or so ago and I'm hoping to do similarly today.
Dropped to $3.49/87oct yesterday!
I saw regular for $2.37 cash today with $2.47 credit card .Now what caused that drop in prices I have no idea other than say politics had nothing to do with it IMO and say no more about it .However I really don't think EV's had anything with it either .Geeze when I joined the navy in '67 it was 27 cents .Four years later in '71 it was 42 cents and I thought it was highway robbery .
Quote from: aigheadish on December 18, 2023, 07:31:28 AM
We seem to be at about parity, for now, between gas and propane. Gas looks to be around 2.50 or so, propane just got filled up for 2.47, I think.
Here propane is less than half of gas price, that's comparing pump price on gas and delivered to a 500 gallon tank for propane.
Yeah, I'm not sure what a good price is for propane, we may be over paying, but I've seen elsewhere that mid 2 bucks wasn't terrible.
$2.999 at Costco Rochester today.
Propane ,Ottawa Ohio $1.69 on a leased tank with a nickel off if the bill is paid in ten days . $1.59 on an owned tank . I went through about 400 gallon last year ,wood burner ya know . 8)
Just paid $2.89 a gallon propane to top the house tank off (stove, hot water, and if heat kicks on cause I didn't fill the stove). $3.09 for 87 at the fuel pump yesterday near Concord, NH
$4.09 for regular but if you go to depressed neighborhoods, as low as $3.89. Propane swap tanks $25!!!
Gas as low as $2.96 but going up. Red fuel about the same.
For a while, 87 octane was $3.39, but about a week ago it went back up to $3.49!
I just don't understand why there is so much diversity in the prices around the states, but I lay it mostly to the cost of delivery!
Funny, when the news says the price may go up here, it goes up almost overnight, but when it says the price will be dropping, it takes quite a while for it to be noticeable here at the pump. :huh?
You guys have got it good over there. It's about £1.51 per Litre here in the UK. Costs me an arm and leg to fill my car. ffsmiley
Quote from: lurk on February 18, 2024, 10:19:58 AMYou guys have got it good over there. It's about £1.51 per Litre here in the UK. Costs me an arm and leg to fill my car. ffsmiley
I assume you mean Diesel? It's £1.39 p/L for Unleaded down here on the South Coast.
Last fall, prices were to drop because of switching to winter blend (less additives) but would be offset by lower production because of plant shutdowns for yearly maintenance.
Now they are getting ready to switch back to summer blend in 2 weeks. Prices are already climbing because of yearly maintenance starting...
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Quote from: tino on February 18, 2024, 11:06:10 AMQuote from: lurk on February 18, 2024, 10:19:58 AMYou guys have got it good over there. It's about £1.51 per Litre here in the UK. Costs me an arm and leg to fill my car. ffsmiley
I assume you mean Diesel? It's £1.39 p/L for Unleaded down here on the South Coast.
Yes, sorry tino it was for Diesel. Mind you, not a lot different for Petrol here in Essex. I will check tomorrow.
If my math is right, that makes it close to $8.00/gallon? Give or take a bit
Quote from: lurk on February 18, 2024, 10:19:58 AMYou guys have got it good over there. It's about £1.51 per Litre here in the UK. Costs me an arm and leg to fill my car. ffsmiley
That's $1.91/liter which translates to $7.16/US Gallon (3.75l to the US gallon vs. 4l to the imperial gallon).
Yikes, that's terrible! Here where we pay more than most, it's around $3.59/US Gallon for unleaded. Diesel is still running over $4/gal