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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #480 on: April 17, 2021, 02:55:00 PM »
I wouldnt put much stock in long range price forecasting with the atom bombs thatve been going off in the realm of currency.  Find one person from 2018 who predicted forward just 2 years what we all know in hindsight.  


Im not saying to disregard an opinion on X commodity will be cheaper than Y commodity, but the money is in great flux right now.  The USD may not even exist in 5 years. No one knows.
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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #481 on: April 18, 2021, 08:16:49 AM »
A Consumer Reports article stated that a plug in electric car gets the equivalent of 69 mpg.  They didnt explain how they came to that number but they do have a reputation for being unbiased 

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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #482 on: April 18, 2021, 08:26:57 AM »
http://ieefa.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/US-Power-Sector-Outlook_March-2021.pdf

Ieefa projections on the US Power markets.  Not much new here, solar just keeps dropping in cost and picking up marketshare.  The analysts at the IEEFA have been so wrong in the past about solar and wind that I'd take it with a grain of salt (always underestimating solar and wind production for the next year and then assuming it plateaus which it never did, then assuming coal plateaus which it never did).  So, read with a grain of salt.

They discuss DOE plans for stationary battery storage to be $0.05 and solar to be $0.02 by 2030.  If those numbers are hit than gas is gone by 2030.  That's actually below Nuke operating costs and the pressure would be on to shut Nukes early.  

In our equipment news I had an interesting talk the importer of the electric skid steer, if I get to NY in August I'll test drive it.
Nukes arent cheap to run and only make money with multiple reactor plants.
I dont agree with the statement about gas declining.  Gas cogeneration is very efficient.  The natural gas is used to turn a jet turbine. The exhaust heat is used to boil water for a traditional steam turbine.  Its hard to compete with that kind of setup 

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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #483 on: April 19, 2021, 04:26:23 PM »
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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #484 on: April 21, 2021, 05:23:15 PM »
I'll be the last guy to buy a battery powered vehicle or tractor.  Bought a new chainsaw, looked at the battery ones, because the Dr said to avoid jerking. The new chainsaw is the Stihl 180, because it has the spring wind start.  Doesn't jerk.  A new battery saw was about the same, but a second battery was about more than half the price of the saw, and could only saw till the 2 batteries play out. So guess I will stick with gas.  Bought my wife a used Toyota Corolla about 4 or 5 years ago, it has 78,000 miles on it now.  Thing makes about 40 mpg highway, only costs have been tires, oil changes, and front brake pads, and a transmission flush. Cost 11,800.  Expect it to last longer than she is willing to drive it.  All the other gals in the neighborhood are getting SUV's.  A similar size one and condition is about 20,000. 
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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #485 on: April 21, 2021, 05:32:01 PM »
I'll be the last guy to buy a battery powered vehicle or tractor


Sorry - there is no way you are going to beat me on being last when it comes to this.... :D
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« Reply #486 on: April 21, 2021, 05:43:34 PM »
If you stay healthy you may beat me, beings you are about the same age as my kid.
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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #487 on: April 21, 2021, 07:01:55 PM »
Challenge accepted. The race to be last is on!   :D
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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #488 on: April 21, 2021, 08:52:22 PM »
You'll never hear me coming  :D
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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #489 on: April 21, 2021, 09:55:42 PM »
Luddites to the rescue 

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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #490 on: April 26, 2021, 07:53:23 AM »
In our equipment news I had an interesting talk the importer of the electric skid steer, if I get to NY in August I'll test drive it.
The chances of anyone coming to NY and being within a couple hours of me are very slim, but give a shout if you make it, you never know!

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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #491 on: April 28, 2021, 09:33:31 PM »
Just picked up an electric riding mower. 
If I can figure out how to post pictures I will. 
I gotta say its different thats for sure 

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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #492 on: May 06, 2021, 05:33:52 AM »
For all EV cheerleaders here are few items to ponder.

ANALYSIS-Copper price boost? Peru's socialist swerve worries miners (msn.com)

EV's need batteries and wires. The things we need to make batteries and wires need to be mined. Just how much unallocated copper/lead/lithium/rare earths etc. are floating around? How will their pricing play out as use skyrockets? What if any environmental impacts will be incurred in the increased mining and processing required to produce these metals?

Will any new mining be permitted in the US? Can we trust socialist governments like Peru and Chile to supply us over say China?

Just asking as things too good to be true generally are. Melt a little sand into glass and collect free clean energy. What could derail such a perfect plan?





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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #493 on: May 06, 2021, 06:09:29 AM »
Everybody seems to love cordless tools why not cars 🤷‍♂️

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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #494 on: May 06, 2021, 06:15:03 AM »
controlling the things western society needs and wants is how theyre gonna paint us all red. 
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Re: Electric equipment and the future to come
« Reply #495 on: May 06, 2021, 06:52:10 AM »
Everybody seems to love cordless tools why not cars 🤷‍♂️
I have nothing against electric vehicles. I have a lot against the forced conversion without preparation and even more trepidation related to "experts" whose only experience comes from being lectured to from someone else who also has no real world experience. 
Plastic bags were going to save the trees. 
The real issue nobody wants to address is a world population of 8 billion and growing. That many people can't survive with things looking untouched. Probably will be a war with China over dwindling resources that thins out the herd long before climate change takes us out.

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« Reply #496 on: May 06, 2021, 06:58:15 AM »

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The real issue nobody wants to address is a world population of 8 billion and growing.

Yup.
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« Reply #497 on: May 08, 2021, 09:35:28 AM »
controlling the things western society needs and wants is how theyre gonna paint us all red.
Who's They?
Don't forget big car manufacturers are eager to get into the electric car business.  It turns out it takes 30% less time to make an electric car versus a standard car.  Less time means lower labor costs. Lower labor costs means higher profit margins.  Bottom line GM wants to make electric cars because they can make more money.

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« Reply #498 on: May 08, 2021, 09:44:22 AM »
I only liked it because its true. It doesnt mean that I like the fact of it being true. I like the option to carry around a (MUCH) bigger tank to increase (my) driving range. With batteries (so far) this specific reality hasnt came about. A lot of the worlds problems are not so easy to fix...at least not with a bigger tank.
Trying harder everyday.

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« Reply #499 on: May 08, 2021, 12:54:59 PM »
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Who's They?


The 2nd world.


Thats an answer and a riddle on purpose.  If you get it theres no need for me to explain and if not theres no amount of evidence that will change it.  And im tired of explaining.    
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