Over 40" bars for MS660?

[terrifictimbersllc]

Can anyone direct me to a source for an 40-50" bar for an MS660?  Stihl goes up to 36" and to get longer with them I'd need an MS880.  Trying to stay lighter than this.

[Al_Smith]

Oregon must have made them at one time at least because I have a 42" in the garage .

[Ianab]

Baileys will be happy to sell you a nice shiny new 42" Oregon bar that will fit a MS660

http://www.baileysonline.com/search.asp?SKW=ORPM%2042%20.375%20.063&catID=12377

Ian

[Clam77]

Supposedly you can special order them from Stihl.... may take a while to get it though..   :-\

[tyb525]

+1 for Bailey's they almost always have what I need.

[76gmc]

try cannon saw bars. there  out of BC. 888-604-9990. or cannon bar.com     

[Al_Smith]

Well yeah Cannon would make you up one 7 feet long if you wanted .Good bars but costly .

[mikeb1079]

just bought a forester 42" bar on ebay for 85 bucks.  check there i think the fella has more...

[Dan_Shade]

my stihl dealer ordered me an aftermarket 42" bar, I think it's a GB.

[lumberjack48]

May i ask, what are you cutting, being you need a 42" bar ?

[tyb525]

May i ask, what are you cutting, being you need a 42" bar ?

He's got a slabber. So probably for neatly felling and/or trimming big logs.

[Dan_Shade]

i use mine to dig waterline ditches  :-)

actually, I use mine in a 36" alaskan setup.

[Al_Smith]

The one I have has had the slot milled out to 084 size .It seldom gets used .Fact the last four years the only action the big 84  gets is 2 or 3 GTG's a year .

It may see some run time later this summer as I have a 100 foot bur oak to flop for a guy that is a tad over 4 feet at the cut line .

[terrifictimbersllc]

May i ask, what are you cutting, being you need a 42" bar ?

Wood.      I saw with an LT-40 super and a Peterson swing/slabber.  Mostly trimming bumps or butt flare off to get clearance on either mill, but sometimes wanting to trim ends of bigger logs. Mostly I'm reaching in from the end of the log.  Frequently use the full capacity of my 41" bar, not uncommon to be unable to complete such cuts without assuming difficult posture.    With this saw/bar combo I like to keep my feet on the ground not climbing on the log or mill.  I want to reduce the weight of my setup, and get up to a 47-50" bar capability.  Thanks for your responses so far, looks like a 50" bar for 660 can be had in Cannon and can actually be bought at Bailey's under the Woodland Pro name (haven't checked with them but the WP have the Cannon numbering).

[lumberjack48]

Thats good your thinking ahead, reaching or climbing around on a piece of equipment with a saw is a accident waiting to happen.

[terrifictimbersllc]

Well I did it, came home with a MS660 and 36" Rollomatic ES bar.   Maybe order a 50" bar and some skip chains later for the MS660 if it seems wise.  Will carry along the 090AV/41" bar for a while to cover things.   

[deerslayer]

Interesting thread because I am presently looking for a 42" bar for an MS660. I did confirm that Stihl only makes up to a 36" for the 660 but other bar manufacturers make them. I see the Forester bars on the bay  but I haven't been overly impressed with their stuff. I don't run a mill much (have an Alaskan but don't use it presently) but we have a lot of large trees here in the south and sometimes the 30" I have isn't enough. I realize that 42" is a bit beyond the ideal for the 660 but for occasional use figure it will do fine. Best price I have found thus far is about $200 for an Oregon bar and three skip tooth chains. I am not ready to drop that much and figure that sooner or later I'll encounter a good used one for a nicer price.

[HolmenTree]

Stihl's MS660 are not famous for putting out alot of bar oil for a 90 plus cc saw. That's why Stihl recommends up to 36".
I got a couple of Oregon 36" bars for my 066 and their both in .050 gauge. The narrower bar groove takes a little less oil to keep things lubed.

[s grinder]

I have a MS660 with a 32" bar i use for stumping,like Holman Tree said they don't oil very good,went on this forum AL Smith gave me a part # for a high output oil pump,went to Sthil dealer and ordered it,much better, now you can see oil in the chain,before on a big cut the bar and chain was bone dry.I would recommend this upgrade with a big bar

[Al_Smith]

FWIW in this area most 066's run 36" bars .A standard 066 will oil a 36" with no problem unless something is wrong with the oiler .

Now when you get talking about an Ms 660 with all the EPA hype and reduced power it most likely has a reduced output oiler I'd imagine .It seems to that bunch that a little chain oil on the ground equates to the wreck of the Exon Valdez . : How silly .

[terrifictimbersllc]

My new MS660 has a screw on the bottom to vary the amount of oiling.   It is set in the middle of the range.  I haven't used it yet but will turn it up if my 36" bar isn't oily.   S Grinder how much was that higher output oiler for your MS660?

[s grinder]

Terrifictimbersllc,The up graded oil pump was $82.34 retail,part #1122-640-3201.Now Sthil issued a technical bulletin #34.2009 stating that "in the future,oil pump #1122 640 3205 will be replaced by oil pump #1122 640 3201 on both flush and wrap handles on versions of the MS650 MS660 Magnum.If you just bought the saw and is brand new you might have the up graded version,mine is almost 2 years oil and did not.If you cut a couple of logs close to 36"and they are dry,you'll know how it oils very quick

[terrifictimbersllc]

Thanks.  There is something in the manual about how to tell whether it has the high output oiler. I will check. 

[terrifictimbersllc]

Continuing to shop for a long bar for my MS660 for occasional freehand trimming of flare on large logs.

Have found an Oregon OR 423RNDD025 at Bailey's, 42 is for 42", 3 is for 063, RND is replaceable roller nose, and D025 is the mount for "small Stihl" (12.1mm slot).  This bar is $120 at Bailey's.

Cannon has CSB-S1 50 63 4 (S1 is the "small stihl" 12.1mm slot for MS660/MS460, 50 is 50 inches,  63 is 063 ga, and 4 stands for 404 pitch).  Bailey's has it and says they can swap on a 375 roller nose which makes it a CSB-S1-50-63-3 (last 3 is for 375 pitch).  This bar is $300 at Bailey's.

Wondering if these are the only choices for over 40" bar for MS660.  I already have a 36" so I am thinking get a 48-50".  Still wondering if there are others to choose from.

[clww]

I've gotten my two longest bars (used) off ebay. The 54" is a Cannon, and the 60" is an unknown brand. I don't use these often, but they come in handy when needed. The 60" hanging on the 090 is really a sight! ;D

[sawguy21]

Not much call for the really long bars anymore, the loggers have modified their techniques so they don't have to lug those monsters around. We still get requests from mills, they use them to trim lifts before loading on rail cars and sea containers. Cannon is very good but very expensive as they use high quality materials and are limited production. I am really glad I don't need to swing that 090

[HolmenTree]

Here is a photo of a job I had at our local Tolko pulp and paper mill about 7 years ago. We had to cut these cull paper rolls in half so they could be put back into the re-pulper. The rolls couldn't be sold because of defects so they were just recycled.
On the first week of the contract I swung my 090 with 60" b/c through these rolls 12 hours a day all by myself, but the following week I got a helper :D

On our best day we cut 42 rolls of this tough SPX paper used to make cement and feed bags, some of the strongest if not strongest paper in the world. One mile of paper in these 54" diameter rolls  when rolled out and weighs over 5,000 lbs.
One cut took up to 5 minutes at wide open throttle, and the .404 Stihl harvester chain needed a quick 5 minute touchup with the file for every cut. Toughest fiber I ever cut.


  

[turbo885]

Here is a photo of a job I had at our local Tolko pulp and paper mill about 7 years ago. We had to cut these cull paper rolls in half so they could be put back into the re-pulper. The rolls couldn't be sold because of defects so they were just recycled.
On the first week of the contract I swung my 090 with 60" b/c through these rolls 12 hours a day all by myself, but the following week I got a helper :D

On our best day we cut 42 rolls of this tough SPX paper used to make cement and feed bags, some of the strongest if not strongest paper in the world. One mile of paper in these 54" diameter rolls  when rolled out and weighs over 5,000 lbs.
One cut took up to 5 minutes at wide open throttle, and the .404 Stihl harvester chain needed a quick 5 minute touchup with the file for every cut. Toughest fiber I ever cut.


 

That had to be a dirty dusty job

[customsawyer]

If I was buying a new long bar I would lean towards the Oregon reduced weight bars.

[terrifictimbersllc]

I can't find Oregon selling any bars over 42".

[HolmenTree]

Here is a photo of a job I had at our local Tolko pulp and paper mill about 7 years ago. We had to cut these cull paper rolls in half so they could be put back into the re-pulper. The rolls couldn't be sold because of defects so they were just recycled.
On the first week of the contract I swung my 090 with 60" b/c through these rolls 12 hours a day all by myself, but the following week I got a helper :D

On our best day we cut 42 rolls of this tough SPX paper used to make cement and feed bags, some of the strongest if not strongest paper in the world. One mile of paper in these 54" diameter rolls  when rolled out and weighs over 5,000 lbs.
One cut took up to 5 minutes at wide open throttle, and the .404 Stihl harvester chain needed a quick 5 minute touchup with the file for every cut. Toughest fiber I ever cut.


 

That had to be a dirty dusty job

It was but it paid a $100 hr at the time 7 years ago and all it cost me a day was 5 gal of mix gas and a gal of bar oil plus minimum wage for my worker.

Btw I think Stihl still sells 42" and over bars, could be wrong now though, Cannon is the only other alternative.

[terrifictimbersllc]

Yes Stihl over 42" for the large mount 880, 090 etc, but 36" is the largest stihl bar for the MS660.   I have two 090AV's but these are just too heavy for me anymore.

[HolmenTree]

Yes Stihl over 42" for the large mount 880, 090 etc, but 36" is the largest stihl bar for the MS660.   I have two 090AV's but these are just too heavy for me anymore.

36" was the longest I ever ran on my 066 Mag. That was the longest bar spec Stihl put on the 660/066, a lot of the 066/660 had weaker then normal oil pumps but there was a high output pump available, I'm not sure my 066 has the option, never replaced it.

[terrifictimbersllc]

Yes Stihl over 42" for the large mount 880, 090 etc, but 36" is the largest stihl bar for the MS660.   I have two 090AV's but these are just too heavy for me anymore.

36" was the longest I ever ran on my 066 Mag. That was the longest bar spec Stihl put on the 660/066, a lot of the 066/660 had weaker then normal oil pumps but there was a high output pump available, I'm not sure my 066 has the option, never replaced it.

Yes, I can get a higher output oiler for the MS660 if I need to, think it's about $80.  Doubt my usage amount would make me need it though.

[customsawyer]

I will check with my still dealer and see where he gets them. All I can say is that he has gotten me two 48" bars over the years.

[terrifictimbersllc]

I will check with my still dealer and see where he gets them. All I can say is that he has gotten me two 48" bars over the years.

Appreciate that.  Maybe Oregon or some others sold them earlier but don't now.

[terrifictimbersllc]

Customsawyer checked with his dealer and was told that they can't get an Oregon longer than 42" for the MS660 anymore.

My conclusion..... only options I have found for a 50" bar is a Cannon 063 bar (Bailey's) with either a 375 or a 404 sprocket nose.  I don't know if Baileys can get me a 50" Cannon 050 bar or not. 

Now I'm wondering if the MS660 (1 year old) will pull 404/063 chain, I would use OR 27AX (the skip sequence).   This chain is 0.025" wider (chassis) and about 0.08" wider (outside of cutters) than 375/050 chain.  I don't know how much wider it is than 375/063 chain (dont' have any of that).    I think I'll make a new post to ask this question.