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Started by 4x4American, April 26, 2015, 04:42:49 PM

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Don_Papenburg

I think it was in the early 60s that the standard was changed . I remember the Popular Mechanics had a cover story about the smaller framing lumber decreasing in size from 1 5/8 x 3 5/8 to 1 1/2 x 3 1/2. 
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Ianab

Quote from: Raider Bill on April 27, 2015, 10:28:03 AM
I think someone should sue whoever grades the crap you buy at the big box stores. Seems to be always full of knots, cracked, curved, crooked etc.

A couple of sawmills got hauled over the coals by the authorities here for selling "machine graded" wood that didn't meet the official standards. They blamed technical problems with the grading machines, but paid the fine and "recalibrated" the grading rigs.
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Stuart Caruk

You already do... when I was a kid we bought fuel by the imperial gallon. it's 16% more than a US gallon by weight... of course I grew up in Canada. When they switched to the metric system fuel mysteriously jumped from 96 cents a gallon to 46 cents a liter, and very, very few people even noticed. Most people are frankly clueless...
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joecoin

So, why isn't a 2x4 really 2x4 in the first place?

Magicman

It was "in the first place" and may still be close when sawed and before kiln/plane.  I seldom have requests for full sized framing lumber because nail guns in common use will not work.  You can not nail 2" lumber together with 3" nails.  Another reason is matching existing framing lumber.
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red oaks lumber

there's the problem mm, most framing nailers are 3 1/2 long :)
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Peter Drouin

All my customers want the full size, Hear it all the time,  [Now that's a 2x4] :D :D :D :D
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thecfarm

Peter,I also like the looks of a full 2X4. I just buy longer spikes. No nailing gun on this hill. I could use one,but one of those things that would sit on the shelf waiting for me to use it.
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Magicman

Quote from: red oaks lumber on April 28, 2015, 08:40:38 PM
there's the problem mm, most framing nailers are 3 1/2 long :)
The specs on a 16d nail is 3½".  The Bostitch 16d nails for my air nailer measure 3¼" and 1/8" of that is the point.   I guess that nails have shrunk with the lumber.  Same as a pound of coffee.   ;D
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landscraper

I have a Bostitch KN85PP framing gun that shoots up to 5-1/8" nails.  Problem solved for true dimension lumber.    Right now it's loaded with 4-1/2" spiral shanks and it will bury the head of the nail just fine.  I don't think they make that model any more, but there is new version.  Hitachi makes one also I believe. 
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4x4American

My Tikka T3 is a tack nail driver so I reckon I don't need one!  Hammer works just fine round here.  I like hitting stuff so it kinda works out...
Boy, back in my day..

terrifictimbersllc

Quote from: Magicman on April 29, 2015, 08:29:41 AM
Quote from: red oaks lumber on April 28, 2015, 08:40:38 PM
there's the problem mm, most framing nailers are 3 1/2 long :)
The specs on a 16d nail is 3½".  The Bostitch 16d nails for my air nailer measure 3¼" and 1/8" of that is the point.   I guess that nails have shrunk with the lumber.  Same as a pound of coffee.   ;D
Supposed to use the nails right away not let them dry out.  ::)
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Cedarman

Are there some brands or sizes of nails that shrink less than others when they dry out?
I am in the pink when sawing cedar.

red oaks lumber

a folding nail is best used once it drys out, it becomes stiffer :)
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Dave Shepard

I must have had some of those green folding nails last weekend. Trying to drive trim nails into dry black locust. :D
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