Looking like Saw Stop Tech is going to be mandated for table saws

[peakbagger]

Safer table saws may get mandated, possibly preventing severed fingers : NPR

I think in addition to the upfront cost, everytime the system is actuated, a brake cartridge needs to be replaced for around $150. Cheaper than an ER visit. 

I have used various quards over the years and if the saw is set up for a specific repetitive task they can work well but not as easy when the tasks are switching minute to minute. Most of the near misses I have seen are folks trying to do things outside the capacity of the equipment.

The one thing I learned years ago is to minimize potential exposure by dropping the blade height to bare minimum to clear the board and keep a couple of push sticks nearby. 

I dont expect I will ever replace my Unisaw. 

[doc henderson]

same here.  some stuff requires the guards off.  I usually get bit by band saws and circular saws, cause I am not as worried/careful.  I want a saw stop, but love my Delta as well.

[Don P]

He's been lobbying for at least 20 years, the patent has to be about up .

I've used their cabinet model and it is a nice saw. I can see both sides. It doesn't require special guards to be "on". I'll have to wear out 3 others and the radial arm before I'm in the market. As always, the most important piece of safety gear is between your ears.

[peakbagger]

I must admit, my radial arm saw days are long since passed. We had a Craftsman version and I had more near misses with it than any other tool. No much demand for used ones. 

[Oth]

The more crap they put on the tools the more complacent you get. Sawstop isn't going to stop kickback. If you have half a brain you can manage not to put your meat into the sawblade which is always in the same place. Circular saws, routers, biscuit joiners are all far more dangerous since the spinning meat grinders can go any which way if you make a mistake.

Just a money grab, subscription model for tools. Old iron is good iron.

[rusticretreater]

A friend of mine bought a Saw Stop in an estate auction.  Really nice saw.

I use a GRR-Ripper safety push block for the table saw and the GRR-Rip block for the jointer and router.  You can pass right over the blade safely.  Waxing the table surfaces makes the wood slide smoothly.

Radial arms saws are scary.  I used to have a longer prep time to use a radial arm saw than I do for when I get suited up to use my chainsaw.  What I use now is a Bosch sliding arm miter saw.

[SawyerTed]

Saw Stop saws are great for school shops, community workshops etc.  If I were an employer in a business where a table saw was necessary, I could see the possible payback especially if insurance loss management gets involved. 

My approach in the school shop as a teacher and later as an administrator was, if the guard needs to be removed to do an operation, a different and safer tool needs to be used.  In my own shop, I use that thinking up to a point.  Feather boards and other devices get used frequently to keep fingers and hands away from the blade and to reduce kickback.

Saw Stops are way too expensive for me to put one in my shop just to replace a perfectly good and accurate tablesaw. 

As soon as the 12" compound sliding miter saws were available, I got rid of radial saws in school shops.  

[barbender]

 I clicked on an ad for a free radial arm saw on Facebook Marketplace once, suddenly many of my ads were RAS...I might as well have clicked on an ad for free kittens or something😂

[beenthere]

More and more stupid laws, people will still find ways to get hurt. Then come more and more laws on the books. Saw stop is available, leave it at that, IMO.

[Larry]

Six or seven years ago I helped to assemble all of the woodworking machines for a new craft school. A mixture of Jet, Grizzly, and the professional Sawstop. The quality of the Sawstop was far above the Jet and Grizzly machines. Everything was well packed and the manual is great. The quality was on par with made in the USA Powermatic's and Unisaws. Fit and finish was better. I was impressed how the dust collection was designed.

The Sawstop is used in the school by students with anywhere from zero experience to exceptional woodworkers with years of experience. As far as I know, it has been triggered three times. Once by a instructor cutting wet wood, once an unknown, and once possibly a finger. I have used the saw a lot and can see no difference in performance between it and my Unisaw.

If I were to replace my Unisaw without question it would be a Sawstop. The excellent dust collection is reason enough. I would hate to see legislation making the technology mandatory as it is expensive. I can remember when I was young and dollars for woodworking machines was hard to come by. Sometimes one has to make choices......

[Southside]

So SawStop is actually owned by Festool these days and they are making the patent open source when it expires this year, so they will not receive any royalties off of this.  The claim is that by doing so others can improve upon the design and maybe make it cheaper and less expensive in the event of a stop incident.  

Have to admit I was surprised by that. 

[Ianab]

So SawStop is actually owned by Festool these days and they are making the patent open source when it expires this year, so they will not receive any royalties off of this. 

It's not like they really have a choice. US patents are good for 20 years from date of filing. Idea is that the inventor gets that time to market / licence his invention, and make a profit. After that the patent expires, and others can copy the patented principle. Also, by the nature of the patent process, the patent is public knowledge (not a proprietary secret). You have to explain how your widget works in the patent. 

The initial push back to mandating the Sawstop style tech was that the company wanted a large amount of $$ to licence their patent, and even sued other manufacturers that tried to market a similar system. With the patent expiring every other tool maker becomes free to produce their own version, without paying extortinate licence fees. 

[peakbagger]

I am surprised this video hasnt made the forum  Saw blade flies across parking lot, nearly hits man (youtube.com)

I guess they need a sawstop version to prevent this type of risk ;)

[customsawyer]

I have a saw stop table saw. I got it because I needed a table saw and it wasn't that much more than most other quality table saws. I figured the extra cost was cheaper than a hospital visit. I have some friends that are missing fingers, and over half of those friends that lost them were lost on a table saw. None of these friend are on the low IQ scale. They just had bad moments like we all do. Now they get to spend the rest of their lives missing digits. I'm not pushing the saw stop table, just saying that I don't think it is the worst thing to look at.

[Magicman]

I have a friend that cut the end off of his index finger.  I told him that he just could not point as far. 

[Southside]

So SawStop is actually owned by Festool these days and they are making the patent open source when it expires this year, so they will not receive any royalties off of this.

It's not like they really have a choice. US patents are good for 20 years from date of filing. Idea is that the inventor gets that time to market / licence his invention, and make a profit. After that the patent expires, and others can copy the patented principle. Also, by the nature of the patent process, the patent is public knowledge (not a proprietary secret). You have to explain how your widget works in the patent.

The initial push back to mandating the Sawstop style tech was that the company wanted a large amount of $$ to licence their patent, and even sued other manufacturers that tried to market a similar system. With the patent expiring every other tool maker becomes free to produce their own version, without paying extortinate licence fees.

All it takes is a tweak to the design and the patent protection can be renewed.  Happens all the time.  Seen any competition in the mono-rail sawmill design since 1986? 

[YellowHammer]

Selling to woodworkers, we used to have customers come in all the time with pieces of fingers missing and other scary blood spraying stories.  Fresh bandages, gauze, and "I didn't even feel it" stories.  Just last week a guy showed me a hand with one missing finger and I mentioned that a saw must have got it and he said no, the saw got them all, but they were able to reattach all but that one.  I was giving a speech to a group of woodworkers a couple weeks ago, and I made a joke about the old guys were missing fingers and the new guys all had sawstops because of it.  Now, when customers come to the store, all the stories I hear are of how people didn't lose their fingers when they screwed up and tripped the saw stop. Years ago, I thought the Sawstop was a gimmick but after hearing so many first hand stories from my customers since it came out, and  about how it saved them from a trip to the hospital, nope, it is that good.   

I hear of stories of guys who say after tripping a sawstop, they would now give up woodworking if they didn't have one, as it was a real scary thing that would have cut some real meat off if the saw didn't trip.  I only know of two injuries with one.  The first is a guy who slipped hard into one and it only drew a single drop of blood.

The second is a guy who was cross-cutting and wedged a board between fence and blade and got hurt about as bad as a conventional table saw.

I don't own one, I sold my table saw a few years ago and moved up to more automated machines.  However, if I was going to get a new table saw, the only issue I would have is deciding which Sawstop model to get.

[Southside]

I thought the Sawstop was a gimmick but after hearing so many first hand stories

No pun intended? 

[SawyerTed]

I doubt it.  It was an off handed comment!   Ba dumdum.

[rusticretreater]

I am surprised this video hasnt made the forum  Saw blade flies across parking lot, nearly hits man (youtube.com)

I saw that but never got around to posting it. I think its also the next low-grade horror movie coming out.  The possessed Saw Blade.

[YellowHammer]

Nope, but I'm glad you "pointed" that out, and I guess I'll just have to "shoulder on."

[Southside]

Well you are cut from a different cloth.  

[barbender]

Having spent a lot of time on those concrete saws, I would've been happy if the blade would've flew off so that I didn't have to use it anymore😁

[Bruno of NH]

Being a builder most of my life 
I have spent many hour running a table saw.
I have witnessed 2 men who both in their late 60's have table saw accidents. Not very nice to see.
Both life long builders.
I would buy a saw stop.
One of my builder magazines had an article about the cheapest box store table saws (ryobi) type as being the tool that causes the most emergency room visits.

[Don P]

I wonder what a jobsite saw will weigh?