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I started the original Whatcha Sawin' ?? topic with this picture back in 2014. Wow, how many of our logs have become lumber and sawdust in the past 7 years??
Personally, I have trimmed back on my sawing and have stopped taking "road trip" jobs over ~50 miles except for repeat customers. Even so, I am booked tighter than I had planned to be. Several 1-2+ day jobs plus one "whole house" framing lumber job that will be sawn based on the customer's 'oil patch' job.
So the question is: Whatcha Sawin' 2022 ??
I have a couple of small jobs in backlog and weather and customer help availability permitting I'll try to knock 1-2 out next week if we don't get flooded out this weekend. Happy New Year.
New Year's Eve had me trying to saw a huge 7 foot Red Oak with a crotch. I was gonna cut it into slabs. But the huge crotch gave me too much of a wave and it was a no go. It was cut down about a month ago. I took it off the mill, after getting some firewood for my daughter, and stacked it back on a whack of oaks to age more. I will wait until I get into the 1.5 inch wide blades to take another crack at it.
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The crotch was wider, but I had to bibby it shorter than I wanted to. Even the back side was bibbied.
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I am wore out, as I took the ax to all the short "knot" slabs I cut off, to split them. Then I cut them into short lengths,with my Stihl, of firewood small enough for my Grand daughter to handle. They moved back here in August and now have a fireplace I get to fuel.
hugs, Brandi
I want to get in the group so I can see all the cool lumber and slabs being made. this is a pic of some lumber I sawed, and made stuff from, and my buddy @Jim Thomas (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51700) or sawdust Jimmy picked up the scraps and made something. these are Christmas yarn bowl for holding your yarn ball and not having it roll on the floor as you knit.
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can you guess the wood species?
Hey Brandi, that looks like some of the stuff I try to saw. Hi-Five! Doc
Walnut-heart and sapwood. Might be a light colored, "ringer species" in there? ;D
Hey guys, Happy New Year.
Remember to be sure to record your vehicle odometer readings if you are going to need that info for your tax records. My tax guru always asks for my starting and ending miles so they can compute personal vs business mileage. Just in case it applies to you.,
you got it. the first 3 pics are just walnut trimmings the transitioned to sapwood. nice alternating pattern. the 4th and center bowl in the "all three pic", is walnut and tree of heaven.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 01, 2022, 10:28:44 AM
Hey guys, Happy New Year.
Remember to be sure to record your vehicle odometer readings if you are going to need that info for your tax records. My tax guru always asks for my starting and ending miles so they can compute personal vs business mileage. Just in case it applies to you.,
Hey Howard....I know you are getting older and slower, but this is 2022. You are suppose to say, "Hey guys and girls". But I forgive you because I know things move slower in West Virginia. HAPPY NEW YEAR HOWARD!
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on January 01, 2022, 05:20:23 AM
Hey Brandi, that looks like some of the stuff I try to saw. Hi-Five! Doc
Doc, that was the better of three logs. The biggest won't fit on my mill at all. I will take photos of them today.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
I think you are out of touch. Don't you know gender specific pronouns and terms and such are no longer allowed? I am just trying to be politically correct and ensure all FF members know I care and love them equally - even the ones who criticize my ATV driving. :D
Anyway, I was just trying to help and I apologize if anything I said unintentionally offended you - usually when I offend people it is on purpose. :D Take care, Be careful with that big ugly RO crotch log.
I am just finishing up processing some tops from harvested logs. Building a small camp building/hunting blind. I got the roof on before weather started to turn. So far I have sawn all the wood from beech out of my woods except some PT for ground contact.
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Here is a picture of my processor. I thought someone might be interested in the log deck. It is made from an old trailer. I added a fold out wing to give it some more width. Totally portable and quick to set up. You might be able to use the concept for a mill without a hyd loader.
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We sawed three white spruce logs yesterday and then it started to snow so we had to quit for the day but we did get some real nice 1x6x8' boards. Today it's right around zero we will wait for a warm up to saw again. Randy
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 01, 2022, 01:30:07 PM
Brandi,
I think you are out of touch. Don't you know gender specific pronouns and terms and such are no longer allowed? I am just trying to be politically correct and ensure all FF members know I care and love them equally - even the ones who criticize my ATV driving. :D
Anyway, I was just trying to help and I apologize if anything I said unintentionally offended you - usually when I offend people it is on purpose. :D Take care, Be careful with that big ugly RO crotch log.
You are trying to be politically correct? smiley_lit_bulb Well, you can go buzz saw the bleachers with that PC stuff. smiley_monkeyfight You are not gonna blow my skirt up with that nonsense! smiley_female_sign smiley_male_sign smiley_furious
Oh yeah....................HAPPY NEW YEAR! smiley_blue_bounce
hugs, Brandi
Doc, those yarn bowls are awesome, I've never seen anything like that. Do you happen to sell those or know someone who does? My wife and a few of my daughters would love those...
I never posted in the last thread as all I had was walnut last year, but I am through my ~80 ton of them. I've bought another 50 ton or so of Blackwood (acacia melanoxolyn) and ~40ton of whatever else, I went through a phase of doing nothing but log collecting adventures, my partner and I would jump in the truck with the forklift in tow and scooped up all sorts, some indigenous logs, oak, cypresses, cedars, elm, sheoak, silky oak. Whatever else, the log yard looks like a crapshow but I know where everything is lol.
My partner has started a little project with a CNC table we imported, she is sparks and sawdust NZ on Facebook if anyone is interested, selling kids toys and puzzles etc. Our latest item is a flat pack dump truck I designed in cad, the toy ships as ~10 panels and main body/wheels etc, and some nails/glue/sandpaper/oil, I designed a little assembly manual for it too, so son and father (or whoever else!) assemble the wooden dump truck then off they go. I've got a rimu log there I'm going to saw into stock for her and fire into the kiln as soon as I get it running, hopefully the locally sourced, indigenous timber, locally made hardwood toy theme will be good for it.
Happy NY best of luck to everyone. I won't be setting foot near the sawmill until these days drop below 30!
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Still sawing for my planer shed project.
Happy and Healthy New Year to all of you. Although we have never met I consider you my friends.
Have a great year of milling!
I didn't run the sawmill yesterday or today even though I had two requests for service. Sometimes I think there should be two of me. :D :D
I did load out two guys today. One customer snapped a picture.
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From past experience around customers I've learned to smile at all times as they always have cameras and some even take videos.......
Quote from: sumday on January 01, 2022, 04:19:55 PM
Doc, those yarn bowls are awesome, I've never seen anything like that. Do you happen to sell those or know someone who does? My wife and a few of my daughters would love those...
The yarn bowls are available, one place would be Amazon
Amazon.com : yarn bowl (https://www.amazon.com/yarn-bowl/s?k=yarn+bowl)
May not be as nice as Doc Henderson shows.
Quote from: doc henderson on January 01, 2022, 05:20:23 AM
Hey Brandi, that looks like some of the stuff I try to saw. Hi-Five! Doc
Doc,
Here is the upper half of the log I rejected from the mill yesterday.
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Here is the log right below it.
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Here is the butt long. About 48x44 inches.
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Guess they will be hacked up into firewood.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: sumday on January 01, 2022, 04:19:55 PM
Doc, those yarn bowls are awesome, I've never seen anything like that. Do you happen to sell those or know someone who does? My wife and a few of my daughters would love those...
they are all over the internet, and where my wife got the idea. My buddy made them on request, and we do things back and forth. my wife wanted one for her friend that always gets her great gifts, so she tried to go way out this year. Jimmie does most stuff for fun, and I can see if he is interested. I do not know the cost, but it is usually tough to get him to take more than just a return favor. Jimmie just left yesterday to miss the ice and is in New Mexico till march or so. You might look and see what they go for, and it may be simpler to buy one, but if you want, I can ask. it might be a few months.
Brandi i did not mean to imply you should not cut it, and it can be pretty wood, but it is some work. I know you are not afraid of that. I think it is guys and gals, or boys and girls. that politically correct stuff seeps in. I like to say Merry Christmas, but if I suspect someone might be other than Christian (based on looks), I might say Happy Holidays. maybe that is more "racist" than just saying Merry Christmas. oh well. :-\
I like my maple boards I got from an ugly log.
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I was a little confused as I opened the thread. I forgot that it is a new year, so Happy New Year. I have spent the new year in bed and confined to my bedroom with the Covid. Last year I had a goal to do more sawing for customers bringing logs to me for sawing. That did not happen and that's ok. I have plenty of my own logs to saw. I need to get a lot of logs sawn and drying. I would really like to get a bunch of walnut dried and put in storage at my wife's office. I have had a lot of people looking for slabs and had nothing to sell. Spending several months working on bedroom floor didn't help with that. I think I might be building more walnut furniture in the future too, especially live edge tables.
Well Bill, at least you have a beautiful floor to looks at while you are lying there! (Not to mention that chair in the corner!) Feel better man, tomorrow is another year.
Howard, just say y'all. That includes everyone, even the glaciated types.
Danny,
Thanks but then there will probably be complaints of singular vs plural tenses from selected members. ::)
There just ain't no justice in this world. Here I was just trying to be helpful and post in the spirit of ultimate inclusiveness and look at how much grief I get. (If it weren't for bad luck I'd have no luck at all.) :D
I was trying to include the grits bashing glaciated types too to show that I am an open minded guy person individual man.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on January 02, 2022, 09:37:43 AM
Well Bill, at least you have a beautiful floor to looks at while you are lying there! (Not to mention that chair in the corner!) Feel better man, tomorrow is another year.
True, Tom, the view isn't that bad. I'm also seeing a little bit of snow falling out the window that makes me happy. Also I can see my sawmill, mule and tractor out the window.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on January 01, 2022, 01:30:07 PM
Brandi,
I think you are out of touch. Don't you know gender specific pronouns and terms and such are no longer allowed? I am just trying to be politically correct and ensure all FF members know I care and love them equally - even the ones who criticize my ATV driving. :D
Anyway, I was just trying to help and I apologize if anything I said unintentionally offended you - usually when I offend people it is on purpose. :D Take care, Be careful with that big ugly RO crotch log.
I like gals vs. girls as its more age neutral? ;D Are we really gonna "go there"? on wokeness...such as birth person, etc..
It's -27 , nothing Steve
Quote from: ladylake on January 02, 2022, 10:40:43 AM
It's -27 , nothing Steve
I was in Ely MN in about 1995 and it was -30. Man that was cold. My little Ford Ranger used to living in MO did not want to start. It did start and ran at about 3rpm for a long time. Slowly it began to speed up. I headed south and the cab did not heat up. I think I was in Biwabik when I stopped and bungee corded my floormats to the grill to cover up the radiator. It finally began to warm up in the cab. I drove all the way back to MO like that. The next day I replaced the thermostat which had stuck open.
Thanks for the replies on the yarn bowls. I'll Google them up.
Quote from: doc henderson on January 02, 2022, 01:40:18 AM
Brandi i did not mean to imply you should not cut it, and it can be pretty wood, but it is some work. I know you are not afraid of that. I think it is guys and gals, or boys and girls. that politically correct stuff seeps in. I like to say Merry Christmas, but if I suspect someone might be other than Christian (based on looks), I might say Happy Holidays. maybe that is more "racist" than just saying Merry Christmas. oh well. :-\
Doc,
Nothing implied or heard. These two bigger logs are just too big for my sawmill. Like you said, it is a lot of work. Just turning a large non straight log is a lot of work. Putting that much work in and getting ruined slabs from waves is a non starter for me. It will be firewood.
The rejected log was almost too big. The clamp stopped about a foot from clearing the log and could only be used as a chock.
I was just teasing Howard. Back in the 8th grade, in marching band, our row leader was a girl from Michigan. She called everyone, "U guys". That was very different to hear when you were raised hearing, "Y'all".
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on January 02, 2022, 08:53:43 AM
I was a little confused as I opened the thread. I forgot that it is a new year, so Happy New Year. I have spent the new year in bed and confined to my bedroom with the Covid. Last year I had a goal to do more sawing for customers bringing logs to me for sawing. That did not happen and that's ok. I have plenty of my own logs to saw. I need to get a lot of logs sawn and drying. I would really like to get a bunch of walnut dried and put in storage at my wife's office. I have had a lot of people looking for slabs and had nothing to sell. Spending several months working on bedroom floor didn't help with that. I think I might be building more walnut furniture in the future too, especially live edge tables.
It is amazing how magically customers show up and ruin our wood building projects. smiley_swinging_board smiley_furious3 My WM salesman told me to hide my sawmill when I got it home for that reason. smiley_huh
Get feeling better smiley_thumbsup and SAW that Maple and get it drying. smiley_chop I think I let a 12 inch Hickory log ruin on the stack. Cut an inch off the end yesterday, after noticing damage, and it is all spalted. dadgum you, Charlie!
:P Until the snow melts (sometime in July?)
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Quote from: firefighter ontheside on January 02, 2022, 08:53:43 AM
I was a little confused as I opened the thread. I forgot that it is a new year, so Happy New Year. I have spent the new year in bed and confined to my bedroom with the Covid. Last year I had a goal to do more sawing for customers bringing logs to me for sawing. That did not happen and that's ok. I have plenty of my own logs to saw. I need to get a lot of logs sawn and drying. I would really like to get a bunch of walnut dried and put in storage at my wife's office. I have had a lot of people looking for slabs and had nothing to sell. Spending several months working on bedroom floor didn't help with that. I think I might be building more walnut furniture in the future too, especially live edge tables.
Interesting you say that, are you on a better wicket sawing other people's logs rather than creating your own stock?
Any time people ask me to saw their stuff I try and weasel out of it now, I'd do it for friends only really.
Quote from: Bindian on January 02, 2022, 01:03:12 PMIt will be firewood.
Some "logs" do not even qualify as firewood except maybe "bonfire". :-X
I've got about a half a logging trailer load of logs on the ground now that were taken down about a month ago. It's a mixed batch of evergreens and none are really what I would call saw logs. I'll call them practice logs for when we get the mill built. Which is supposed to happen this week but the dang weather is interfering in a big way. There are a couple storm downed red oaks on the ground also but they have been down about a year. They definitely qualify as saw logs if they are still any good.
The Red Oaks will definitely have Ambrosia Beetle holes, especially in the sapwood. Other than that, the logs should be OK.
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Quote from: Bindian on January 02, 2022, 01:03:12 PMIt will be firewood.
Some "logs" do not even qualify as firewood except maybe "bonfire". :-X
True. I threw some Red Oak on the burn pile the other day. Too rotten to be fireplace fuel.
hugs, Brandi
Josh, I love the dump truck.
Was able to get some hours on the mill to ring in 2022. Happy New Year everyone!
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I'm feeling better today, so I"m gonna go out later this afternoon when the temp is above freezing and do just a little bit of milling. Someone wants me to make some 3"x9"x36" red elm stair treads for a barndominium hes building. That will be a good little project to go outside for and get some fresh air.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on January 03, 2022, 10:24:17 AM
I'm feeling better today, so I"m gonna go out later this afternoon when the temp is above freezing and do just a little bit of milling. Someone wants me to make some 3"x9"x36" red elm stair treads for a barndominium hes building. That will be a good little project to go outside for and get some fresh air.
Glad to hear that. Fresh air always helps.
hugs, Brandi
It's been a month or so since I ran the mill. It wasn't happy about starting and kept dying. I put some carb cleaner in there, so hopefully next time it will start easier. I milled a large red elm into a bunch of 3x9x72 boards. I only hit one piece of steel wire.
Calls started up again yesterday, got 4 wanting to schedule now.
Man its cold here. About 35F today. :D
Going to draw the line at about 25F start temp in the morning unless I know the customer has to have frozen ground.
I began my 20th year of sawing today with this whack of logs.
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This is only a few of the logs and I immediately culled/rejected the two on the left.
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This 30" butt 20' log was my first for the year.
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And it sawed out 23 ea. 2X8's plus 3 ea. 2X4's. This was the only log we sawed before lunch, and we finished sawing by 4:30. Not too bad.
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Our yield was 2149 bf sawed with two blades. My customer looks cold but happy it's done.
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Here is what I sawed for the same customer last July.
When I showed up to work on January 1st it was the 25th anniversary of my first day on the job. Then I promptly took a covid test and went right back home. Happy Anniversary to me.
I had no intention of sawing yesterday but a many times repeat customer called so....
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Six SYP logs 8'-18' plus 3 Red Oak logs with rotten sapwood.
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Yup, I hit metal but I believer that this will "buff out". ::)
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After a late start I got the SYP sawn into mostly framing lumber and probably ~20 1X10's. I will go back probably tomorrow and saw the Red Oak into odd shaped porch rails.
I would go ahead and send that blade in for sharpening. I think it will be fine.
I need to go thru my blades. I've got them scattered around the place. Some sharp here and there and some dull here and there. It's getting close to time for taking some in for sharpening. I have a feeling that I will buy some equipment to do that myself this year.
I have a box of blades somewhere in the ReSharp cycle most of the time. That plus a ordered a box of 15 last night. I 'had' one last 4° blade in rotation but after yesterday I am now 100% Turbo7° blades.
MM:
Do you know what you hit with the blade?
I find that dry wall screws are hard on blade teeth.
GAB
I looked into Kasco blades a few weeks ago, since theyre in St Louis. They actually referred me to a place 90 minutes south of me which many be familiar with, Baker Products, which builds and sells sawmills and resaws and lots of other types of sawing equipment. I ordered ten 7 deg blades. They will make them and let me know when they are ready for pick up. I figure it will be a nice road trip to go and see their place. I have never used 7 deg blades, so I'm interested to see how these work for me.
Quote from: GAB on January 06, 2022, 10:32:57 AMDo you know what you hit with the blade?
Oh I know exactly what I hit. :-\
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When I turned three cants for sawing 2X4's the claw caught underneath the outside cant and was sticking up above the cut line. In over 19 years of sawing, this is the first time that I have ever hit the turner claw with a blade. I have hit it a couple of times with the Debarker, but never a blade.
You will notice that half of that claw was already cut off which was done by my sawmill's previous owner. My mark is about 1/8" above his. ;D I have a photo somewhere in my Gallery of the previously cut off tooth.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on January 06, 2022, 11:21:16 AMI ordered ten 7 deg blades. They will make them and let me know when they are ready for pick up. I figure it will be a nice road trip to go and see their place. I have never used 7 deg blades, so I'm interested to see how these work for me.
I could not tell any appreciable difference between a Wood-Mizer 7° blade and a 10° blade.
There is a huge difference between a 7° or 10° blade and a Turbo 7° blade.
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18' hemlock, getting a bunch of 2x8s ready to add a 90' leanto on the lambing barn in the spring. Lifting with my legs, not my back. Mixed in with some shorter poplar and hemlock for strapping
did not get a pic on the mill, but here is a bit of Cottonwood on a 16-foot-tall wall in the addition on by buddy Dallas's shop. the room behind this wood wall house many of his deer mounts in a climate-controlled man cave and out of the basement living area in their house. Dallas is enjoying learning to be a carpenter.
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16-inch-wide boards will dry in place. you may remember him from this pic. He loves ERC.
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Lynn,
That would not have happened on my mill. ;)
(I already cut the left claw tip off a year ago. :D I don't remember what it did to the blade but it whacked that point right off.)
That's a tall wall, Doc.
He's either going to have to stop hunting or build a bigger wall. :D
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New Year's Day my son and I sawed cedar logs that were brought here and left by a customer. He never told me what he wanted and I can't find him now.
On Sunday we made benches out of some live edge 8/4. I made the mistake of posting a photo of one on Facebook. Now I have to build more $$$ 8)
I finished my sawing job this afternoon with 1330 bf of lumber and a couple of hours of hourly rate.
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This is the last of 3 loads of railing that finished the job.
I have a special project sawing 'Sinker Cypress' and slabs from various species next week that I will try to put behind me before I start a "1X12 job" toward the end of next week.
@SawyerTed (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=38503) that doesn't sound like a mistake.
I found someone selling what he says are cypress that he pulls out of the mississippi down in southern missouri. If its real, I'd be interested, but it just doesn't seem like there would be that much cypress drifting in the MIssissippi. While there are cypress in southern MO, I find it hard to believe that many of them get into the river.
This Sinker Cypress came out of South Louisiana and is end cutoffs that I salvaged from a previous job that I sawed several years ago: Sinker Cypress (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=74726.msg1132218#msg1132218) The logs are shown bucked in Reply #19, the actual sawing begins in Reply #41, and the end cutoffs are shown in Reply #63. I have these ends which range in length from 3' to 12'.
It is a specialty item that I will only saw for special customers @ $25 per board foot.
Short answer to OP's question is Doug Fir, Redwood, White Oak, Claro Walnut.
Doug Fir Timbers milled and baked last summer, now ready for S4S and timber framing. Redwood siding, decking, architectural posts and slabs milled in the fall and now air drying, with first load in the solar kilns. White Oak was slabbed in November and crotch figure looks awesome. Claro Walnut landed in my lap unexpectedly over the holidays and still scratching my head on best game plan there. Stoked for 2022, and no sign of snowfall here in Santa Cruz County. Highs next week 60*F.
I heard John quoting Yellowhammer again this morning when we started this Pecan smiley_devil job.
A repeat customer texted me a picture and asked about us sawing for him. I should have taken time to analyze the picture a bit but I sneaked a peak at a traffic light or stop sign and told him to bring it. I wrecked a chain on my little 545 cutting off rotten, dirt filled limbs.
This "log" challenged us most of the morning. sawing 26" + wide pecan/hickory will let one know if the drive belt is not tight enough or if the new blade is dull after just a few cuts.
Our second blade of the day was a resharpened 4°. After installing it, it fell off the wheels. We reinstalled it and tried again. It fell of once more and went into the scrap pile. Another resharpened 4° was the ticket. I've never sawn wide pecan slabs that were so flat. I should have taken a picture of the slabs. There was very little sapwood in them, and the color of the heartwood was incredible. In hindsight, we should have sawed these "logs" on shares instead of our hourly rate. I stopped the clock any time we had to make an adjustment.
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That is as nasty as it gets smiley_devil smiley_bat_morph smiley_bat_morph.
Obviously your "No" button is busted. ::) :D
Quote from: caveman on January 08, 2022, 03:25:56 PM
........ I should have taken time to analyze the picture a bit but .......
Well, that was your sign right there, but as you said, 'I SHOULD have..' so you already knew that. :D ;D
Sorry, I've been sucked in also in similar ways. We all learn the hard way.
I guess sometimes you just have to consider it an adventure and go with it!
I have certainly been found guilty of sawing with my "No" button blinking many times. :-X
I guess it's true what they say about beauty being on the inside, because it sure ain't on the outside of those tree pieces. :D
Logs like that caveman would never be on my mill. I've had customers ask, I give them a price and they somewhere else. ;)
Another TT load of hemlock with a bunch of 20' and 22''
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More timbers going out. I'm about sick of cutting timber frames. Have one to start next week.
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Not the best driver.
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milling an oak for my buddy Dallas. for his addition to his shop that will house his camper and have a climate-controlled room for taxidermy and such.
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oak next to some cottonwood we edged on the mill. here is a wall of 16-inch-wide CW posted before
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Good job on the Water Oak. It has a special look of it's own with the 'bacteria' stains. 8)
The bacterial infection/stain in the low grade bottomland red oaks like laurel oak and water in the Deep South can be quite beautiful.
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Dallas is wanting to put this up right away, but it is wet. He asked me today if I thought it was ok, and I told him we can try it, but it would be better to sticker it for a while. any thoughts? I have known people to put stock up wet, but usually open on both sides. this has a vapor barrier behind it. He both wants reassurance and wants to put it up today. He is a smart and reasonable guy. is this a disaster waiting to happen? it is in an addition to his shop and can be a little rustic.
lots of character.
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Quote from: doc henderson on January 09, 2022, 09:58:01 AM
Dallas is wanting to put this up right away, but it is wet. He asked me today if I thought it was ok, and I told him we can try it, but it would be better to sticker it for a whil. any thought? I have known people to put stock up wet, but usually open on both sides. this has a vapor barrier behind it. He both wants reassurance and wants to put it up today. He is a smart and reasonable guy. is this a disaster waiting to happen? it is in an addition to his shop and can be a little rustic.
Thought here would be "he won't like the results". Sticker it with fan moving air through it. Can't have it both ways.
Does he have the shop heated now?
not the area this wood is going.
Putting the wide boards up wet is going to cause something to give eventually. Either the boards are going to split or the screws or nails are going to pull out or break. He might be able to make it work if he puts up the boards but doesn't fasten other than close to the middle and use battens to secure the outer edges trying to make sure the fasteners holding the battens go in between boards. I put kiln dried 1x12 pine on my garage years ago with no battens. It still shrunk and left almost 1/2" gaps. I later cut 1x2 pieces out of 2x10s and put them up as battens.
I've put stuff up right off the mill before, none of it fell off the wall but cracks and movement/shrinkage definitely took place. I made it a point to fasten really well knowing it wanted to move.
Before I put it up I explained it to the customer that it was inevitable.
Put felt paper on the wall first so an gaps that end up happening become shadow areas that are simply black. Much better than looking through and seeing the writing on the insulation in my opinion.
In the end the customer was happy and gave them the rustic look they were after.
Quote from: Magicman on January 08, 2022, 07:47:30 PM
I have certainly been found guilty of sawing with my "No" button blinking many times. :-X
I had that light blinking two weeks ago.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on January 08, 2022, 05:17:34 PM
Obviously your "No" button is busted. ::) :D
I saw by the hour with the attitude that it's your money if that is the way you want to spend it, I'll accept it.
Last month I sawed a few chunks that definitely would not meet Mr. Milton's definition of a log.
GAB
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Started cutting some pine to mill. Probably slab this double butt log and see what I get. A lot of my pine is past it's prime and has red rot part way up. A number of them blew over in the last ten years. They are so heavy the roots can not support them.One of the reasons I got into milling is to see they are not wasted. It was cold but a beautiful day yesterday. Today was freezing rain and sleet. Tuesday a high of 9 and 0 overnight.
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We were sawing before 7:00 this morning and watched the Sunrise. My customer watches as the tailgunners debark.
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1887 bf of mostly 1X12 X 16' with a few 1X6's & 1X10's. We finished and I was headed home by 3:00.
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My customer opened his can of Vienna Sausage and was one wiener short. :o
Did ya call him one wiener short of a full can?
At least they did look to be water packed and not those nasty gelatin packed type. :D
Most likely poured it out before he took the pic.
I like to bring those along with a few hard boiled eggs and cheese and crackers to munch on while ice fishing. Unfortunately when I add a few IPA's to the mix, I get a little "windy".
Not good in an enclosed fish house.
those and the spam singles are great. but the price goes up and down on amazon. 24 in a pack. beats going hungry.
Cant forget about potted meat. UUU Huu (Slingblade)
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on January 12, 2022, 08:10:01 PMMost likely poured it out before he took the pic.
Edited: As pointed out, I see now that the reference was to the water, not the wiener.
I think he was referring to the liquid, not the missing link.
Shrinkflation. :D
The middle one slipped out when he poured the water out. If he would have drank the water first, it would still be in there ;D.
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Nope. OEM all the way. :D
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Just part of what I sawed last week for a cabin floor and trailer boards. 8x8 for seals 2x11x8 for joist and 1x8 for subfloor. Forgot to take pictures of the rest that was at a different site.
All that lumber was 10ft long not 8ft. Not thinking right. I will blame it on being sick this week. Actually cut the floor joist 10 1/2 inch wide so customer can edge them on a small manual mill a friend of his has after they dry so he will have a good flat floor. And he will still have a probably more than sufficient size floor joist.
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Playing around with a 20' elm today, got a couple nice live edge slabs. Had fun getting them off the mill and onto the forks and I have no idea what I'm going to do with them
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More about what I didn't saw. This was really an ugly log and thought I would knock off four sides to better see what I was sawing. Took one slab off and rotated....the turner was flapping around this junk. It was the last log so I got to quit early.
I want to know how big that basket of flowers was!!
@Larry (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=125) I hope you dig it out tomorrow and saw that log and don't let it beat you!
Brad, this was a custom sawing job and its by the board foot. While I recover the blade cost for metal strikes I don't feel like I adequately recover the cost of changing the blade, and lost production.
Most of the time, if I hit a nail I'll change the blade, take heavy slab cuts, and continue. With the log pictured I kicked it off and the customer gets it back.
Be interesting hearing how other sawyers handle metal strikes.
Me HATES nails. :embarassed::embarassed:
Quote from: Larry on January 14, 2022, 09:14:44 AM
Be interesting hearing how other sawyers handle metal strikes.
Me HATES nails. :embarassed::embarassed:
I charge by the hour for dealing with nails and metal strikes. What I mean is I charge them for the blade. And as I change that blade and dig out the metal so that I can continue to cut up that log, I run a stopwatch and keep track of my time spent doing that, which includes scanning the log with my metal detector looking for other metal.
Once the log is clean of metal, I stop the watch and write down the time.
This is all written in my costs of milling document. And in my "questions" document I ask: "If I hit metal, do you want me to pull it out and continue sawing the log? Or throw it away?" When they say "pull and continue" then the stopwatch is used.
If they say, "throw it away" and I have to take out the chain saw and cut it up to get it off the mill, because there is no heavy equipment there to lift it off, then that time is counted on the stopwatch as extra work.
I pack two stop watches. One for the blade time, and one for the extra work time.
Jim Rogers
Dealing with metal in logs? I say it depends. First it depends on the metal. If the metal is fence wire or a common nail, often I will try to work around it or pull it out. If it is a heavier piece of metal or a hardened screw, often it depends on what the log is.
If the log is a quality walnut or cherry for example, I'll do all I can to keep sawing. If it is a pine or other common species, off the mill it goes. When pine saw timber is around $45 a ton delivered, it is cheaper for a customer to buy a few logs to finish a cut list
Some logs with metal just don't go on the mill. My philosophy is metal sticking out of a log is like and iceberg, there's at least 2/3 in the log I can't see.
Foreign object strike costs $25 for blade replacement.
My hourly rate starts once the mill is set up until a break, lunch or mill break down. It doesn't matter if I'm sawing, changing blades, digging out metal or stacking lumber. That puts the pressure on the customer to be vigilant about staging logs, log quality etc.
Quote from: Larry on January 14, 2022, 09:14:44 AM
Be interesting hearing how other sawyers handle metal strikes.
Me HATES nails. :embarassed::embarassed:
I charge the cost of the blade, based on the last purchase I made, and $10.00 for lost production.
I hate nails but I hate dry wall screws even more.
GAB
Well, just a tad off, but the cold weather might be getting to me. Alternating between sweating and freezing every 20 minutes might be addling my brain. Today I took 5 to suck down what water I could from a frozen bottle and noticed this board moving in the breeze. Not that board has been leaning there for a year. All of a sudden it's moving?!
Self supporting Board - YouTube (https://youtu.be/fLUHIakxK5I)
Anything for a detraction sometimes. :D
:o OGH Mother Nature can be fascinating! That's cool!
Quote from: SawyerTed on January 14, 2022, 05:27:17 PM
:o OGH Mother Nature can be fascinating! That's cool!
Well, I thought to myself "This is stupid, making a video of a stupid board frozen in the ice', but then I thought same as you. 'This is cool. Stupid, but cool'. Besides, I need that water break.
A bit of childlike (not childish) fascination with things does an old guy (I'm one) some good! I'm glad you shared it!
Thanks OGH. :)
I charge $45 for any metal strike and if it is an hourly rate job, the clock is also ticking during the blade change out. I do not send metal strike blades to ReSharp because experience has taught me that most likely that blade may cut but it probably will leave a skip or irregular tooth mark which is not satisfactory with me. The customer has paid for it so throw it in the junk pile. Blades are expendable items.
I charge the cost of a band, and the clock never stops ticking.
As for the metal strike bands:
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OG that's a good little video. If you hadn't slowed down you'd never have noticed it.
Between selling a little quartersawn oak and pine boards today, John and I sawed a lot of metal and a little cypress. We extracted quite a few nails but we found the rest with the blades. We hit metal with at least two and probably three blades, and had one blade break (at least near the beginning of the cut). We spent at least an hour pulling logs out of the pond trying to fill the 16' order. Out of 8 logs, we found 3 that would make good 16' boards.
It pained me to saw 1x6's out of one of the logs we sawed. I think we got 25 out of it. None of them had knots and most of the boards were heartwood.
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I bet you can't find the metal.
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The 1x6x16's were really nice. No knots in the whole pile.
We have some pine to saw on Monday but while pulling logs out of the pond today we came across some decent pecky cypress that we will probably saw into 1x sometime soon.
I've been charging $25 for metal strike blades and since I charge by the hour the clock is still ticking while i'm changing blades. Depending on what I hit I will decide whether it goes in the resharp box. If it just hits one nail it goes to resharp, something more significant like many nails or heavy steel it goes to scrap.
It snowed about 2" yesterday and will be above freezing this afternoon, so I"m not looking forward to sawing logs for a customer, but he still wanted to come. I guess we are gonna get wet. Just have to keep all vehicles on the driveways.
Back to work for me this week two jobs with probably 9000 board feet between them. Temps are going to be in the low 30s during the day with 25F starts in the morning. Brrrrr >:(
My customer is not going to get here until 3pm. I'm not really happy about it, but I hate to tell him he can't come. He rents a trailer when he comes, so he would be out the money for his trailer. He was struggling to get logs onto the trailer and I guess is only bringing 3 logs instead of the 5 he intended to bring. I guess we will be sawing until sunset.
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Wife and I milled full 1X5s and built our entrance to our property.
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Our place is blessed with awesome ERCs!
That is terrific !!! 8)
Nice entrance build - and some good looking ERC there too!
Looks great. Boy you are blessed 👍
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Our place is blessed with awesome ERCs!
Y'all are blessed. I am about 2.5 hours south southwest of Y'all. Is there anywhere up there I could buy ERC logs?
hugs, Brandi
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Our place is blessed with awesome ERCs!
Y'all are blessed. I am about 2.5 hours south southwest of Y'all. Is there anywhere up there I could buy ERC logs?
hugs, Brandi
Good question. I'm not a log buyer, so I don't have a good answer for you. However, call Custom Cut Lumber in Alto and/or Wilcox Timber & Lumber in Rusk. I know they buy cedar. Maybe they can point you in the right direction.
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I have a friend that had a couple of Hickory blow downs that he let me have. I know, smiley_devil, sometimes I just have to learn the hard way. I know I need to seal the ends, and I need to saw it soon.If I choose to put a couple of these to the side to spalt, should I seal ends on them or not? Some of them are on a smallish side, any idea how long I should let them sit to spalt ?I know it has to do with it temperature, humidity and such. But any ideas?
Yes to sealing. Give them a Spring, Summer, and Fall.
Thank you.
@E-Tex (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=37146) that is some fantastic looking cedar! Send some my way; I'm stalled on a few projects because I ran out! LOL
My next week just got busy. This is a repeat customer from December that has more logs, actually 51 more logs. You may remember the foggy sunrises. :)
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I have not gotten the cut list yet, but I think that there will be some timbers.
I'll set up in the open spot sorta in the center and let him bring the logs to the sawmill which is what we did before. This is Red Oak with only 4 SYP logs. I did not see anything over ~18"butt.
Got access to 33,000bf of redwood logs killed in the wildfire here in Aug 2020. Satisfying to complete a fence with the first few logs. Many more projects to come...
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Beautiful sunset tonight. Airstream is my office. Two solar kilns to the right. Tallest trees are my neighbor's Monterey Pine, killed in the fire.
Nice pictures 👍
I often wondered about the fire killed trees. Glad you are making good use of them.
I've had this chunk of red pine left over from building the house over 20 years ago. It still had a color and number tag on it telling what part of the house it was for. I've been using it as a step stool in the basement. Today I decided to cut it into cookies and then I'm gonna use the top one with the tag to make a clock. These are about 14" wide. I'm not sure what I'll do with the other 6 cookies I cut. Maybe I'll make more clocks and sell them. The pine has some nice blue stain.
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Quote from: firefighter ontheside on January 22, 2022, 02:52:32 PMI'm not sure what I'll do with the other 6 cookies I cut.
If you glued them all together it would make a nice stepstool. :D
That's a good idea. I'll get right on it.
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Just had these dumped on my property last week. Looks like Oak to me, but I'm not great at identifying logs. About 8-10ft long, 18-26" diameter. I haven't been able to use my mill yet so I have no experience, but I'm hoping to finally get started soon.
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Red oak.
^ Thank you WDH. I look forward to seeing inside.
That ski trail pattern in the bark says, RED OAK. Live oak bark looks a bit like black walnut bark to me. I doubt you will find any live oak in NY. We currently have more live oak to saw than we want to saw. It has been sitting around hardening for a few months, which will only make it that much more challenging to saw. That red oak will saw like butter compared to live oak.
Started on these today. Customer doing his own stickering. Not my recommendation.
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Not sure if I posted a picture of this before, but I cut a couple of these cookies a little while back. This is an off cut, the other two are larger but were too heavy to stand up for a picture.
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A coworker of mine had a tree cut down last week and said I could have the logs. Pretty sure it is hickory, but much more red that id seen before (I havent seen many at all). The one in the picture is about 28 inches in diameter. I'm going to have them milled into 1x6s to use on the interior walls in my cabin.
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That's a good sawing job Craig, looks like perfect SYP logs. 8)
I'm back in Magnolia but he ran out of logs again. ::)
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No milling for a while....more snow on the way this weekend. Not typical for Virginia Beach.
UP this way that classifies as a light frost. ;)
Quote from: Beavertooth on January 26, 2022, 10:45:41 PM
Customer doing his own stickering. Not my recommendation.
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink :).
It only takes once to learn that improper stickering and stacking will ruin many hours of work.......
Quote from: Magicman on January 27, 2022, 07:04:20 AM
Good job Craig, looks like perfect SYP logs. 8)
Just can't get as many boards as I want to. He wants everything a full 2" instead of store bought size. 😂😂
I wondered about the size looking at the lumber. The ball will be in his court when he starts nailing it up. :-X
I am scheduled to go back South depending upon his log skidding and the weather. I will be glad to finally put this one in the books (whenever that happens). I left the sawmill down there and will finish when I finish. Anyway I have at least 4 days off. ;D
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Here is a 37" X 16' Red Oak log that I sawed this morning. Those are SYP logs scattered in the background, one has a 38" butt. :-\
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Does this butt make my sawmill look little?
Pretty proud moment getting through my first log last weekend. Long overdue, but with a newborn everything got put on hold. Just ordered some stuff to make milling easier(electric winch, battery for key start, etc...). I will say the boards were a little bit wavy so I know I have to dial in everything to cut cleaner, and definitely make sure everything is torqued down properly. Unfortunately just as I got started a blizzard is coming through which will delay my progress. Current goal is 1-2 logs every Sunday if not more, and getting a storage shed built, but it's gonna take some time.
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@Daburner87 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=52608) , that last picture looks like you have band chatter in every board. Some teeth got overset. This usually occurs from hitting metal, or not re-setting teeth when sharpening the band. As Soon as I saw that chatter, I would have finished that cut, and then changed bands. It looks like your can't has smooth cuts, but as soon as that chatter started, I would have looked for possible metal that you cut through. It could happen from a stone in the bark too. That it why I try to debark the cut line before I cut.
Also Do you have someone to sharpen bands for you?
You can resharpen bands until they get weak from fatigue (getting bent around the wheels), and develop cracks or break. I find it's better to put on another sharp band than try to keep going with one that isn't cutting nicely. And that band was not cutting nicely.
I have a weekend with nothing to do, so I think it will be a milling weekend. There's lots of logs around here that need to be milled. Might mill up some white oak and post it for sale right away. Might mill some walnut and stack it to dry. Theres a little sweet gum log that needs to be made into lumber or firewood.
Quote from: Brad_bb on January 28, 2022, 01:36:12 PM
@Daburner87 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=52608) , that last picture looks like you have band chatter in every board. Some teeth got overset. This usually occurs from hitting metal, or not re-setting teeth when sharpening the band. As Soon as I saw that chatter, I would have finished that cut, and then changed bands. It looks like your can't has smooth cuts, but as soon as that chatter started, I would have looked for possible metal that you cut through. It could happen from a stone in the bark too. That it why I try to debark the cut line before I cut.
Also Do you have someone to sharpen bands for you?
You can resharpen bands until they get weak from fatigue (getting bent around the wheels), and develop cracks or break. I find it's better to put on another sharp band than try to keep going with one that isn't cutting nicely. And that band was not cutting nicely.
That log was sitting frozen in the dirt before I got it on the mill that morning. It took quite a few tries to unstick it with my 60" Logrite and some dirty was definitely frozen on it when I got it up on the mill. I'm not surprised if I hit a rock. I wanted to power wash the log, but being my first log I didn't want to delay any longer knowing the wife could come out any moment and put me back on daddy duty. I will check over the band when this blizzard ends and see if I can spot anything.
I don't have anyone to resharpen for me in my area yet, I will have to do some research and make some calls. I do have a 10 pack of Kasco bands I got from Cutting Edge that look much better than the one band Woodland Mills supplied. I'll have to look at a debarking these dirty logs in the future.
Dayburner
You can knock the bark off ahead of the blade path with an axe or a spud. Even a shovel, spade, or steel brush will also work. Anything to make a cleaner path for the saw to enter the log.
Quote from: beenthere on January 28, 2022, 10:49:43 PM
Dayburner
You can knock the bark off ahead of the blade path with an axe or a spud. Even a shovel, spade, or steel brush will also work. Anything to make a cleaner path for the saw to enter the log.
I have a debarker and real dirty logs the excavator operator used as a land drag get the water hose treatment. Especially large, thick barked SYP.
hugs, Brandi
I have a floor scraper tool that I think will take bark off just fine.
Quote from: Daburner87 on January 28, 2022, 11:33:17 PM
I have a floor scraper tool that I think will take bark off just fine.
This works great
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Quote from: Daburner87 on January 28, 2022, 11:33:17 PM
I have a floor scraper tool that I think will take bark off just fine.
This works great
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@Daburner87 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=52608) , Many times you can't see anything, but if you do, spray orange paint on the affected teeth so the resharpening guy will see and address those teeth. When I hit metal I set those bands aside(hang them on a hook on the wall in the shop because I mill inside). When I get 15 bands like that, I'll inspect and mark them. With nail hits, you can often find those teeth as they will have a curl of steel hanging off the tip of the tooth from the nail. I take a small file and flick those curls off and mark the teeth to that the set gets checked. If you've hit metal bad enough, it will round off teeth, in which case it's usually not salvageable in my experience. If you get those resharpened, those teeth still don't cut and then you're cut is usually not smooth.
10 blades won't last very long. I'll easily use 5 in 6 hours of cutting. I own 60 bands. When I have used 15, I send them to get sharpened. With 60 bands in rotation I've not run out. Resharp gets those back to me typically before I've used 30 bands. You may not need that many in rotation, but I suspect you may need more than 10 if you do 6 big logs in one week.
The lesson here is to STOP sawing when you have a blade failure and see that kind of unsatisfactory performance.
I will be sawing this when I get it to the mill. It was leaning in the direction of my well head, had damage from a large limb that fell years ago and had been struck by lightning. It is 68 feet to the crotch minus 10 to 12 feet of damaged area from which I hope I get more than light wood. 34" at the butt so I will shave bark off with a chainsaw so it will fit the mill. The plan is for 3/4" x 10' for barn door siding and 2 x 4s for a friend building her house.
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This is a hickory crotch that I picked up a little while ago.
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This was a new 4* blade , but you can tell from the saw marks I had a little issue with my clamping. Now I know what you mean by how bad hickory gums up a blade! I had to turn it wide open and still had issues.
And this is some blue pine I cut up this weekend.
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Nice, clear blue pine.
Nice wood. It really never gets old looking inside these logs.
Just starting to get into some well seasoned black gold
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The is superlative.
My present customer is suffering from the "labor crunch". :-\
He has trees to skid out and skidded logs to saw but his laborers (2) have been 'no shows' since this past Thursday. It's no problem for me because I am enjoying the time off, but he is needing the timbers for his new home build and the carpenters are working.
He was in a total 'rip" last night when we talked. :-X
Quote from: WDH on February 01, 2022, 08:43:57 AMThe is superlative.
They's purdy too. ;)
Lynn,
I mostly work alone and I have the same problem as your customer. ???
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) , that's called procrastination. I be guilty of that one too.
Things go real smoothly here at the commercial site during the day. We have good workers, they are here on time and do a man's day of work. It is an excellent crew and they take care of business!
On the other hand, all the crew at the house wants to do is go out to eat a couple evenings a week, do the required chores and sit by the fire! The woman in charge there is awfully sweet, she's pretty too but that guy that thinks he runs the place is a real hard one to work for. :D ;D :D :D
Quote from: Brad_bb on February 01, 2022, 11:41:36 AM
@WV Sawmiller (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=28064) , that's called procrastination. I be guilty of that one too.
Brad,
I was going to procrastinate one time but I never got around to it. :D
Not really sawing. With weather conditions so far I have not sawed all year. I did collect a few logs today from my next door neighbor. He had a couple of Norway spruce and one walnut cut by the tree trimmers clearing the power lines a couple months ago. He did not want them so I went over and de-limbed and bucked them and brought them home today. I put a gate in our line fence many years ago and I get free pasture and he gets free lawnmowing so it has worked well for both of us.
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Walnut in front and spruce to the rear
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10' butt log and one clear 5' section will become walnut lumber. The short pieces and crotches will become 8/4 LE slabs and 9/4 square stock for benches.
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The spruce is mostly 6-7 ft long and I'll cut into 2X4 & 2X6 framing and 3/4" siding to make sheds and my signature composting toilets. ;)
I went ahead and dragged most of the limbs to a brushpile I was burning and cleaned them up for my neighbor while I was at it. No major effort to do so and much easier on me than my neighbor. Good neighbors are worth their weight in gold and I want to stay in this one's good graces.
While I was at it I had a long time customer come over and buy some ash boards for a pie safe he is building. He buys a few boards at a time as his budget allows. He and his wife are real nice and it always good to see them. He bought $32 worth of lumber and only had $33 in his wallet. I told him I needed to re-figure as I hate to see a customer leave with money left in his wallet. :D
Quite often something very nice will come off of the sawmill and I will comment that obviously I am now not charging enough to saw. :D
Lynn,
"Now" or "not" charging enough?
I edited/corrected it.
Did I miss something, I though Lynn said awhile back that he was quitting, or at least going on the road? Did he spend 3 days in retirement and couldn't take it?
Not you but I think my customers missed my future sawing intentions. ::)
I do not plan to travel over 50 miles anymore and hopefully not saw more than 2-3 days per week.
Quote from: Brad_bb on February 01, 2022, 09:21:36 PM
Did I miss something, I though Lynn said awhile back that he was quitting, or at least going on the road? Did he spend 3 days in retirement and couldn't take it?
His wife whined about losing the peace and quiet she enjoyed when he was sawing.
That's what I think and I'm sticking to it.
GAB
Back into more black gold
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Speaking of black gold, we have a new client. He just got a WM 1000, that's quite a mill and he uses it to make table tops, sells on etsy.
@Walnut Beast (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=49695) Is that locally grown?
Some of the best walnut in the country. That's my opinion of my walnut off my farm 😂
Mine have a ways to go, 8 inches dbh. I planted a crop I won't harvest. Hoping the neighbors and dicamba wont kill them first.
I cut walnut and cherry for my best customer today. I didn't measure but he estimated between 800 and 900 board feet.
Behind me is the local builder's supply where my customer works (his family owns it). The bottom photo is of the small commercial hardwood mill that shares the property. Our slab pile from two days of sawing is in the foreground.
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Going to see what treasures are in this and more
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We had a few 1x6x16' cypress to saw for a repeat customer. We pulled three logs out of the pond before we found one that was straight enough not to have a lot of waste over 16'. The first two will yield a lot more lumber when bucked to 8'. The other log we sawed was one a tree service dropped off a couple of months ago. It was a knotty, wonky excuse of a log but we were able to get some decent boards out of it (butter from a duck).
As we were finishing up on the 1x6's another family of repeat customers showed up to pick up a hand-hewn sinker cypress beam that they are going to use as a mantle in their new house. We put it on the mill and sawed a flat on one face for them. I hated to see this one go, but they wanted it more than we did $$$.
We pulled some pine 1x6 and 1x8's that we had drying for another customer. He will pick them up later in the week.
After running up to Publix to get a sandwich for lunch, we picked through and sorted some cedar 1x's that will go to a retail store tomorrow. Following that, we palletized some cedar slabs and put an ad on CL. Hopefully we can move them quickly.
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The mantle beam is awesome!
It is awesome. That should be worth some money.
Quote from: WDH on February 06, 2022, 07:26:29 PMThe mantle beam is awesome!
A fellow that we saw for occasionally, had it on his trailer one day when he brought a small sinker cypress log by for me to saw for him. He comes across some good logs sometimes, but he seldom has money, so we saw on shares for him frequently. I kept two slabs out of the sinker as payment for sawing that log.
After thinking about the beam for a day, I called him and told him I would be willing to buy it from him. We have a mantle rack in my shop to display mantles on. I was content to let this one stay there for perpetuity, but this young couple wanted it and did not flinch when I gave them the price. I put that beam up on the mantle by myself after purchasing it. It was a job for the three of us to get it down today (John and I were both sick last week and weakness has been a side effect).
More treasures today.
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Sunset city rainbow 🌈 love ❤️ comes to mind when I see this 😂.
Coolest looking ones yet WB!!
I wanna see the dog running that leaf blower. Looks like he's done real good with it so far. Pretty cool training if you ask me. :D
Thanks mudfarmer. We are going to get into some of the crotch ones today so we will see what surprises are there
Diesel man says we be sawing these today and more out of view.
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More of the 4.5 year old good stuff
Sent this load of cedar out today.
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About 500'. Makes a nice little payday after not sawing for awhile.
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A little crotch action
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I cut some cookies on this beast and should have cut them all the way down and they looked incredible. But all the bad things I heard above cookies I didn't. Big mistake. Put it on the side expecting treasures and it was a disaster! Blew through a couple blades and it was split a little deeper in all the way through and dirt and full of ants. I doubt I will be jacking around with a stump anytime soon
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Sent this load of cedar out today.
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About 500'. Makes a nice little payday after not sawing for awhile.
Loving that load of cedar!
never really know till you cut it open.
The big cedars here are normally rotten/doty in the middle.
Quote from: WDH on February 08, 2022, 05:14:42 PM
The big cedars here are normally rotten/doty in the middle.
Around here as well.
And here too. I get more lumber out of 10" logs than I do from 18" logs.
This stump won't go to waste. Plenty of good pieces that can be used
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That piece in the first pic, with some black iron hooks, would make a killer coat wall rack....
Quote from: WDH on February 09, 2022, 07:36:43 AM
That piece in the first pic, with some black iron hooks, would make a killer coat wall rack....
Yeah! Nice hand forged ornamental hooks would really top that off well
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Quote from: WDH on February 09, 2022, 07:36:43 AM
That piece in the first pic, with some black iron hooks, would make a killer coat wall rack....
Yeah! Nice hand forged ornamental hooks would really top that off well
I bet Walnut Beast would give you guys a deal on it!
Judging by second picture in post 197, I see how he gets that dark pretty character in his cuts, he saws at night.
Notice that nifty designer pallet he has it setting on...
Quote from: WDH on February 09, 2022, 07:36:43 AM
That piece in the first pic, with some black iron hooks, would make a killer coat wall rack....
I'm still kicking myself that I should have cut it like that all the way down. Ill know next time
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I started my day with this 16' X 34" butt SYP log this morning.
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That yielded a nice whack of 2X4's & 1X8's.
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Then a few Red Oak logs that made some purdy stuff.
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I finished the day with this 20' X 33" butt White Oak log. The weight calculator shows 6184 lbs. and it certainly was one of the heaviest logs that I have ever sawn. It made 1X8's & 2X10's. My total sawing for the day was 1904 bf.
The customer and I have scheduling conflicts so I will not return until Monday to finally finish this job, for now anyway.
That first walnut slab pic almost looks like an old alligator. :o
Nice Oak Mr. magic man! smiley_thumbsup
Seems funny seeing ground not covered with snow. :D :snowman:
My favorite tree company guys set me up with ~3,000bf of red oak, being taken out due to mistletoe strangulation. The crane operator was an artist, swinging multi-ton logs among a maze of live power lines, and laying each stick perfectly in my dump trailer, and on a rented transport trailer. The team let me call the big cuts, once the branches were out of the way by noon, and I am thrilled with the amount of large log above and below two great crotches. My '97 F350 dually PSD 7.3L was a hero again, hauling both trailers an hour over to my milling op site over on the coast. Love that beast. Can't wait to dig in to this red oak. My first of that species. Logs were free, though I gave each of the five guys on the tree crew a Benjamin for their help/kindness/patience. Between that, 2nd trailer rental, diesel, and $0/hr for my time, my true cost is about 40 cents per bf. I'm pretty happy with that, depending on what we find once we start slabbing/milling.
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Artist at work. Long reach into the side yard of the property. Live wires everywhere.
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Estimated weight of the base log is 3,500#. The tree man cut this close to the ground as the crane op applied upward pressure and stability near the end of the cut. Once he lifted this section out, the bow in the crane arm was impressive. Big fish on!
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Threading the needle between live power lines everywhere, with this multi-ton stick.
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Base log. The yellow rental trailer with some of the smaller sections is in the distance. I recognize some of that may become firewood.
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Those two are ~7,000# combined. I rolled across the scales at a local outdoor supply store. Need to bring them a six pack from time to time for the favor.
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Unloading the base log at my mill site, while the guys mill redwood in the background. A lot of hardwood logs in the queue to the left, and a lot of redwood and Doug Fir logs still to go on the right.
Sawing anything and everything walnut
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You guys are cutting some great stuff. I decided to do a little sawing of white oak today, since I found out I can sell it green pretty quickly. I had a log in mind and it had a small walnut sitting on top of it. That thing was frozen to the white oak like they were bolted together. Once I finally broke them apart, I went ahead and milled the walnut. Just a few 6/4 slabs and a 4" mantel out of the middle. You can see my favorite log peeling tool...a meat cleaver that I believe came from the Queen Mary or possibly another well known liner. My great uncle was in the merchant marine for many years and he brought home stuff like this. It works great for peeling logs since it is very heavy and has a nice long handle.
The white oak came off my buddy's farm and usually his logs are clear of metal, but not today. The Kasco 7 deg blade kept cutting well, but I went ahead and changed it out. I dug out the nail I cut and then scanned. Found a second nail just under the surface and dug it out. The next cut revealed the telltale black streaks, but the metal was gone. I'm not done cutting the log, since its lunch time. Hopefully no more metal. Gonna make a bunch of very nice 1x6.
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Timberking turning out the black gold
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I've been sawing for one guy on a regular basis. He brings me a trailer load of logs and goes home with a load of lumber. Said on the next load he had two big red oaks in the 36" range. He showed up with one log probably about 6,000 pounds and said the other log was far to heavy for his skid steer to load.......made me quite happy but I faked disappointment. :o
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This one had bumps out to about 42" and I needed to get something around 37" to be able to saw it. I chainsawed off what I thought would interfere and threw it on the mill. Ran the carriage down the bed without a blade to see if it would clear. Came back with this rub mark on the carriage. Had about a 1/16" clearance on the other side.
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Chainsawed off a little bark and along with a place or two for the guides to clear so looks like its a go.
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If the weather cooperates tomorrow its going to be a match up between this old man and the 6,000 pound log. :D
@firefighter ontheside (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=26921) i seen awhile back you asked about cutting Cocobolo, did you ever cut it ? How did it work out ? I had a guy ask me to split 2 boards roughly 1 1/2 x 8 x 48 . Trying to research before I tell him yes or no. Anyone else have any experience ? @YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) any help will be appreciated, do's, don'ts, blades ?? I have an Lt40 with a 26 hp gas engine.
Looking forward to you tackling that Larry and seeing some more pictures 👍
Quote from: Larry on February 14, 2022, 08:32:23 PM
I've been sawing for one guy on a regular basis. He brings me a trailer load of logs and goes home with a load of lumber. Said on the next load he had two big red oaks in the 36" range. He showed up with one log probably about 6,000 pounds and said the other log was far to heavy for his skid steer to load.......made me quite happy but I faked disappointment. :o
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This one had bumps out to about 42" and I needed to get something around 37" to be able to saw it. I chainsawed off what I thought would interfere and threw it on the mill. Ran the carriage down the bed without a blade to see if it would clear. Came back with this rub mark on the carriage. Had about a 1/16" clearance on the other side.
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Chainsawed off a little bark and along with a place or two for the guides to clear so looks like its a go.
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If the weather cooperates tomorrow its going to be a match up between this old man and the 6,000 pound log. :D
Are you just going to let it sit there until you get it widdled down since the clamp only goes out to about 20 something or is there enough to clamp ?
I have the two plane clamp out all the way and was able to get it up a couple of inches. I also raised the log turner which is out a little further. I put a slight amount of upward pressure on the log with both, which forces the log against the backstops. No way will the log move or shift.
@trimguy (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=47881) I never did. A customer was talking about buying a carbide blade for me if I would mill a log he was gonna get. He never went through with it.
I went to look at some black cherry I'm gonna get from a friend. He said it was a big log, but I didn't imagine how big it is. I went to look this morning after work so I would know what I would be loading tomorrow. There is a main trunk log that is 36" diameter and 9' long. I'm not sure I can load it. I will load a few smaller logs on the trailer first to make sure I have some tongue weight and then try to get that big log on. I'm not pulling it any further up the trailer than I need to. If I can't get it, a buddy with a big skid steer will come over the next day to get it for me. I'm just not sure how the ground is gonna handle me or the skid steer driving on it. He might have to come pull me out of the yard tomorrow. Lol.
Thanks.
Quote from: Larry on February 14, 2022, 09:06:54 PM
I have the two plane clamp out all the way and was able to get it up a couple of inches. I also raised the log turner which is out a little further. I put a slight amount of upward pressure on the log with both, which forces the log against the backstops. No way will the log move or shift.
Larry, I plan to make a clip-on adapter to my two-plane clamp so I can occ. reach out to the side of the mill further.
Doc I was thinking of drilling a couple holes through the clamp to mount something that could be extended out. Even know I'm a little wider through the cut throat when you do the crotch stuff it doesn't take much for things to get maxed out
I think that would be good. I was thinking of making it hook over the bevel and then go back behind the clamp with an upright piece with a secondary cleat or bevel on it. like a wide Z. I will post it if and when I make it. I want it easy to add and remove as I saw. then clamping would keep it tight.
The two biggest things I need to address are the clamp and the backstops down low of some spike to hold the logs in. I've thought of several different things on both
I wish the TK log stops had the rollers as they tend to catch on the log if you are tight and try to lower, or the log catches as you try to roll it.
Even with rollers, they will sometime catch on odd shaped logs. I had it to happen while turning a log last week. I need a piece of pipe, etc. to fit over the side support to add height while turning and then remove it after the log is situated.
as usual, you have great ideas MM. I will remember that!
I guess I don't understand the problem with the clamp horizontal travel. Sure it would be nice to have a couple more inches of travel, especially towards the log stops but not that important with the way I saw.
On the other hand, the clamp vertical travel was a huge problem for a lazy person like myself. I modified and put in a 12" cylinder. That lets me slide live edge 10/4 slabs off the log without moving from the console. Also when grade sawing it lets me stand up big flitches against the cant to edge.
One example is crotches laying flat against the backstops and a couple stumps. In every instance I could have used three to four inches. Had to re position and cut off on each side to get the carriage through. I know I'm a little wider through the throat than you guys by a few inches but I don't know if the clamp is the same. I did ask them on the 2020 if the frame was wider on it and clamp. Matt said yes.
always trying to get the most from equipment. I only occasionally want a little wider clamp area, like for cutting cookies. some logs are as wide as the mill, and i like to clamp across the center/widest area. may try to make a double duty adapter, that can make the clamp area wider, or narrower. the skinny board can be clamped by adding a spacer board. for edging, it is nice to protect the face of the board being edged as well.
Larry, how do you use the taller clamp to remove slabs from the log?
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I was trying to collect some of the smaller parts of this cherry this morning when my battery blew up. I didn't get any of it, but we are going to try to get the big log tomorrow with a skid steer. We are going to drive the steer on lumber to avoid sinking. I calculate this little 36" diameter and 9' long at about 3000lbs. I sure hope we manage to get it.
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Quote from: doc henderson on February 15, 2022, 04:05:54 PMI only occasionally want a little wider clamp area, like for cutting cookies. some logs are as wide as the mill, and i like to clamp across the center/widest area. may try to make a double duty adapter, that can make the clamp area wider, or narrower. the skinny board can be clamped by adding a spacer board. for edging, it is nice to protect the face of the board being edged as well.
Larry, how do you use the taller clamp to remove slabs from the log?
Yes, I forgot about cookies. I go a year without cutting one than I have a run on them. Always wanted to make something to extend the clamp range than I forget.
When I saw live edge slabs I saw about 1/3 to 1/2 way down the log. Than I put the clamp under the log back by the log stops. Lift the log and the slabs slide off into the loader arms or onto the forklift forks.
Quote from: doc henderson on February 15, 2022, 12:26:30 AM
I wish the TK log stops had the rollers as they tend to catch on the log if you are tight and try to lower, or the log catches as you try to roll it.
If you round off the flat piece of metal that the chain bolt attaches to your problem will be solved or will definitely help. It's catching on the squared off pieces. The log clamp can have a extension that slides over the existing clamp that could be one size or expandable.
you are correct WB, and I had considered that, but it does not happen enough to get me to do that. but with your advice, I think I will do that.
Larry, I guess I thought you were saying you could lift the slabs off the top of the cant and move them, and I could not figure how. I may look to see if more throw will help me too. thanks.
Mixed bag at the mill today. Hopefully spalted maple and hopefully not spalted cherry.
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Finally finished a job yesterday that I began in December of last year. We had some weather delays as well as waiting for the customer to skid more logs. This is all for the first phase of the customer's home renovation so I will be back later for 'round two'. This included about every dimension imaginable from ¾" X 6" up to 6" X 12" & 12" X 12" timbers. The majority of the logs were Red Oak with some White Oak for flooring and SYP for framing lumber.
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There were even six 3" X 22" bookmatched pieces for tables. Total was 15,277 bf.
Yesterday afternoon my LubeMizer quit squirting and of all things, I still had a 24" X 16' Ash log to saw. Not good and I had to clean the blade with Diesel after practically every cut. I checked the fuses and breakers which were OK.
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So this morning I went "fishing" and sure enough the pump was the problem. I had one on the shelf, so the LubeMizer is happy again. I'll crack the non-working pump open to determine whether the pressure switch or the motor failed. I also have a donor pump with a broken barb so I should be able to put this one back on the shelf as a spare.
I'll be sawing 1X12 SYP for B&B siding Friday. He also needs 20' 6" trailer decking so it may be a long day.
Anyway I am off for the rest of today and tomorrow. :)
Well, we managed to get that big cherry loaded. It was not easy, but managed to keep damage to the yard a minimum which is a feat this time of year. We used plywood under the skid steer tires at all times.
My plan is to chainsaw cut this thing into quarters on the trailer
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and then quarter saw it.
Some of the 20+ year old down trees are going to be a flatbed that can be taken off of the log trailer 2 2"x10" by 12' main frame. Black gold for everything!
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I wish we had a load of good 12' and 16' cypress logs. We've had several requests this week. I hate to saw 16' boards out of logs that will yield a lot more lumber when bucked to 8'. Ironically enough, no one has called for 8' cypress lately. We sawed a little cypress a few weeks ago and the customer sent me pics.
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In the last pic, on the left, is that a Concretus erectus? :D
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I started a job this morning for a many times repeat customer. We finished sawing the 16' SYP logs by noon and they produced 1360 bf of 1X6, 1X9, and 1X12 lumber.
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For B&B siding on this cabin that the customer is building with framing lumber that Luke and I sawed.
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Here my tailgunners are sliding 1X12's from the sawmill onto the JD forks as my customer watches. The tailgunner seen in the center did not last but 1½ logs before he "calf roped" and left the job. ::) That first log yielded 19, 1X12's, 2, 1X9's & 3' 1X6's. smiley_thumbsup
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After we finished sawing the SYP, we got the 20' Oak sawed with the exception of the closest two shown here. We have rain forecast through Thursday so I will return next Friday and complete this job. The Oak is being sawn into 2X6's & 2X8's for trailer decking and a corral.
Those are some nice logs, MM. Concretus erectus = Transmissionous electra.
Hickory to start the day at 8 (we have to keep the neighbors happy, so no sawing before 8). Live oak today and live oak customer tomorrow. It's a hard life, at least on the Janka scale.
The logs that were supposed to be hickory turned out to be something else. They seemed to resemble Chinaberry a lot. If they were Chinaberry, they were the biggest I've seen. They sawed flat and relatively easy.
Afterwards, we sawed a few decent cedar logs with some blades that had previously run into metal. Two did not perform well but the last one cut like a ninja. John left at 10 to do his
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due diligence as a daddy and baseball coach but most of the work was done.
Here, here smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup very nice !!
Boxwood Elder is one log that definitely looks better than it smells. 😂. Had to do some adjustments on my blade guide rollers and replace a hydraulic pump because of in and out play in the shaft letting it go into the pump so far that it was leaking around the seal and getting my motor full of fluid. Had this one small log laying around that had blown over. Sawed it up being I was needing to try everything out after the maintenance work.
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That is really cool 👍👍
Hail to the ambrosia beetles 8).
I've never seen ambrosia beetles get after wood so aggressively.
It blew over a little over 5 months ago and was still attached to the root ball until just a few days ago.
That is amazing. The ambrosia beetle holes only appear to be in the heartwood?
I was gonna guess lead shot from a scatter-gun, but looks like that'd be a whole lotta shootin'. :o
fudd-smiley
I chainsawed out 1/4 of that big cherry log and took it to the mill. It's pretty disappointing due to the ring shake that goes all the way around the log. I'm quartersawing it, but not getting any wide boards because most boards have a crack and I have to resaw it into 1x4. It's pretty wood though.
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Nice day here today. 1652 bf log scale of 9/4 live edge slabs in a dozen logs. Here's the last log of the day!
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FFOTS,
Are you ¼sawing because of the ring shake to maximize the number of usable boards or is there something about ¼sawn cherry that is special? Don't have any cherry out here that I'm aware of.
Bill, I was out on a tree job with the crew when I got your text and showed your photos to the crew. They all said the same thing: "Man, that sucks!"
FFOTS can you take off the other 1/4 to leave a half, then flat saw through that and get some quarter sawn in the mid half of that as you saw? at least it is obvious so you did not make a project and have it appear later. you win some and loose some. It is somewhere in the middle. not a complete loss you can always joint and glue up for smaller projects. great big logs get your hopes up and often have age/size related issues
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 21, 2022, 04:21:59 PMHere's the last log of the day!
You big dummy, but you gotta go big or stay under the porch !! :D
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How 'bout a 30" butt X 20' Red Oak ?? ::)
Size matters? :D :D :D :D :D ;D
Stuff happens when you start showing off. :D
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FFOTS,
Are you ¼sawing because of the ring shake to maximize the number of usable boards or is there something about ¼sawn cherry that is special? Don't have any cherry out here that I'm aware of.
Cherry has very fine medullary rays. When quarter sawn, the wood has kind of a sparkling look as opposed to something like oak that has big rays. Since I was having to quarter this log just to be able to mill it, quarter sawing just seemed to make the most sense.
Boy am I glad I have never rolled a log off the back of the mill. Never. Do you believe me?
@doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) I could possible do that. I'm not sure I would be able to stand it up like that and even half of the log is still right at the limit of my loader to lift.
you know your equipment best. you could also trim the two outer edges of the final half if that makes sense (at the intersection of the shake ring). you only gain nice sawn wood in the center. if you chainsaw it in half (into quarters) then there will be some waste at the widest boards in the middle. prob. not that much to gain and better to not push beyond the limits of your stuff. I do not want to be the reason you have to fix your cylinders... again! :o :)
you can test picking up the half and if close trimming the shake off the two ends of the half, might be enough.
Those are good thoughts, Doc. I also considered splitting whats left in half and then put that on the mill and get some wider flat sawn boards. I should be able to lift those pieces.
TT and MM that must be the new "Jelly Doughnut" method of quarter sawing or something? Does it give interesting results? :D
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Hank and I sawed cedar today, but by early afternoon we got frustrated because our pile wasn't growing very fast. We quit and went hiking.
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The daffodil's have been blooming for a couple of weeks now but this is the first crocus we have spotted this year.
The spring peepers are in full chorus and sound was almost deafening.
Came in from our hike and see the weatherman is forecasting a full blown ice storm for Wednesday! :o >:( :o ::) ??? :-[ :-[ :-[
Just opening things up. Should be some interesting stuff when I get to the knarly stuff
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Very nice Larry. Same here on Weather. 60 yesterday and 20 now and it's getting colder for several days
Dennis, looks like that one took a walk on you.
Rub it in Larry. :) We are still a log ways from dem flowers and peepers. A couple months at da very least.
I'm with Chet.
Sawing nothing but black gold and looking forward to getting into knarly stuff like this. Several other big trees with knarly bulges and branches that grew over like this
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Quote from: Southside on February 21, 2022, 07:49:23 PM
TT and MM that must be the new "Jelly Doughnut" method of quarter sawing or something? Does it give interesting results? :D
Just trying something new that I never did before. ::)
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My Tailgunner is holding up 2 fingers showing that we only have two more logs to go before finishing this 1253 bf job. It will be decking for that trailer plus corral lumber.
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1X12 B&B that we sawed last week for the same customer going up. The exposed as well as the covered limber in the foreground is all 1X12's for B&B.
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I had a friend of my neighbor come looking for a bar top, I didn't have anything cut he liked but had this nasty looking log from a dead tree I had dropped a couple weeks ago. I still need to edge the straighter side.
This will be the first piece I've sold. I sent this picture to him and he posted it on Facebook right away. ;D
I have just gotten the Logrite Mega cant hook, WOW what a difference, I can finally role these big logs on the mill without killing myself
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I have been buying in and when short chainsaw milling cedar for years now. But that such an ugly log can yield such beautiful lumber never ceases to amaze me.
That looks like some nice cedar.
We had a productive day today. John sold some cypress "first cut" slabs for more than we made working sawing by the hour today. We sawed a trailer load of cedar for some guys from Groveland. It was like getting butter from a duck, but they left with more than they imagined would come from their logs and were very pleased. We were planning to saw 4x4 live oak after lunch, but the customer cancelled. We were not disappointed.
After we each ate 3/4 of a BBQ chicken, we sawed some red eucalyptus on an hourly rate. This stuff is hard but does not seem as hard as live oak. Later, we sold a cedar slab to a fellow who drove down from Crystal River. Poor men gotta hustle.
A few days ago, I resawed a hand-hewn beam (elm) for the guy we sawed the eucalyptus for.
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Today I chainsawed the last half of the big cherry log into a 24" wide cant. I should now be able to lift it with the tractor and set it on the mill and hope for some good slabs to come from it. Dad was helping me.
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A 3 digit license plate? Just how old is that trailer Bill? :D :D ;D
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on February 26, 2022, 09:12:39 PM
A 3 digit license plate? Just how old is that trailer Bill? :D :D ;D
Lol. The rest of it is covered up by sawdust and a stake pocket.
Mainly just syp around here lately. This one caught my eye this morning. I never get tired of sawing nice pine logs. We cut 170 1x12x16's and 120 3/4"x3x16's today.
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Quote from: Magicman on February 21, 2022, 04:57:28 PM
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on February 21, 2022, 04:21:59 PMHere's the last log of the day!
You big dummy, but you gotta go big or stay under the porch !! :D
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How 'bout a 30" butt X 20' Red Oak ?? ::)
Dang MM! You get too excited using the Magichook, don't you? That will shake your day up!
hugs, Brandi
The Black Gold doesn't disappoint. The eye candy keeps coming
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Quote from: Magicman on February 25, 2022, 03:28:53 PM
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My Tailgunner is holding up 2 fingers showing that we only have two more logs to go before finishing this 1253 bf job. It will be decking for that trailer plus corral lumber.
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1X12 B&B that we sawed last week for the same customer going up. The exposed as well as the covered limber in the foreground is all 1X12's for B&B.
Sure is satisfying to see your lumber turn into a beautiful project. That house will be there a hundred years from now.
Yes, very much. I am scheduled to start a 'whole house' framing lumber job on ~March 7th.
I sawed the Oak for the cabinets in 2020. LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=108941.msg1724953#msg1724953) (The sawing continues on Reply# 701 on the next page.)
4x8's and 2x6's. Time to go home.
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Good looking stacks, JFD. It is good to see you back on the FF.
Quote from: Larry on January 01, 2022, 09:39:06 PM
I didn't run the sawmill yesterday or today even though I had two requests for service. Sometimes I think there should be two of me. :D :D
I did load out two guys today. One customer snapped a picture.
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From past experience around customers I've learned to smile at all times as they always have cameras and some even take videos.......
How you like that loader? Do you move logs with it as well and how does it do on the turf?
Works great. Turns on a dime and doesn't tear up the ground. It is rated for 6,000 pounds, never had a log I couldn't lift. Traction is much better than a 2 wheel drive truck but not quite as good as a 4 wheel drive.
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Thought this was going to be a little better inside
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Is the clear tank on the left the fuel tank?
You are correct
The joys of portable sawing:
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My morning started with this crap. Five bad ERC "logs" plus the smiley_devil on the left.
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The ERC turned out to not be so bad after all and turned out some very respectable lumber
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The smiley_devil was sawed into mostly 1X10's with a few 1X12's & 1X8's.
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I opted not to saw the crap, but I did leave some skid marks in it as I was closing down, so I started and ended with crap.
This was a "minimum rate" sawing job for a retired LEO but I did not charge him the minimum.
Well, since I forgot to take a picture maybe it didn't happen but I think I got out and sawed one small 7' long Norway Spruce log into 3/4" lumber. Mostly 8" wide but a couple of 6" and 3 - 12" wide. A whopping 103 bf. :D My customer wanted to see how a mill worked and wanted it to put on an interior wall of a cabin he is building or renovating. After I cut the lumber he said he wanted to install it right away and I warned him about shrinkage and such so he asked if I had any dry. It just so happened I did have enough for his small project so I pulled 24 3/4" X 8"X7' boards out of my toilet building stocks, planed one side for him and sent him on his way a very happy man. He was by here a couple of weeks ago and I had planed a couple of small pieces of scrap boards and he had scorched and put a finish on them and liked the look of the spruce the best of what I had available. I was actually glad he took the dry stocks as I think he will be much happier with it.
With our weather and such this was the first log I have cut all year. The mill cranked and ran fine. I suspect this guy will be back. He was going to show the video he took of me milling and tell them that is the lumber he is using. :D I think it is funny when the customers are more excited to see and be involved in the process than the lumber they get.
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I backed the sawmill beside these SYP logs this morning.
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702 bf of 1X8 and 1X10 lumber, nothing else.
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Next we sampled a rotten end sinker Cypress cutoff to determine whether there was anything of value there.
ERC tomorrow.
From the looks of things your cedar customer has some corned beef running around. :D
Douglas fir 2 x 8 floor joists for my Daughters barn. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/35341/IMG_2953.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1646201395)
Broke in the new LT40 with some birch. Sure would make a nice looking floor in the house!
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Several months ago a neighbor called wanting to know it I wanted a big old ERC log? I knew the tree so I said yes, knowing that there probably would be metal in it. Yesterday a previous customer called wanting to know if I had any ERC, so this morning da big old log hit da sawmill.
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This is the top end and the butt was 34" with some rot.
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It turned out six of these nice 1½" live edged slabs plus some 1" stuff.
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The FEL load and I did not hit any metal. :)
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Loaded into his trailer.
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The customer and his wife digging through the scrap pile. Two hours work and one $SGU.
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2x6's. No pic of the lumber. Sometimes I'll get a big log whose length has only been cut a couple inches over the desired lengh. 16'2" for example. And of course the end will always be dirty when this happens. This little chainsaw's sole purpose is to scrape the end clean before sawing. Chain stays dull but it doesn't matter.
Last night I went and bought a grapple for my bobcat. so I had to try it out this morning
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This is some walnut a friend had given me.
You can see my helpers aren't even good at staying out of my way. I cant get the picture of Sox to upload It's Gabby in this one.
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Some very pretty wood
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And maybe a couple charcuterie boards, or cheese boards for us less snooty people :D
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I cut a couple smaller pieces but nothing great in them, another piece will be firewood or smoking wood.
Sawed all of these except the last one in line to day as I deemed it to knotty for what the customer was wanting. 10 logs sawn and had to slab a few of them heavy to get to the good stuff. 1330 bf. of 1x. One 8ft and the rest of logs was 10ft. 95 percent of my sawing is portable but customer brought these to my house yesterday. Had plans to do a portable job today but customer had to cancel because of no help. That makes the last 3 portable jobs a no go because of no help. Oh well been enjoying my time off 🙂🙂
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Quote from: Magicman on March 02, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
Several months ago a neighbor called wanting to know it I wanted a big old ERC log? I knew the tree so I said yes, knowing that there probably would be metal in it. Yesterday a previous customer called wanting to know if I had any ERC, so this morning da big old log hit da sawmill.
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This is the top end and the butt was 34" with some rot.
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It turned out six of these nice 1½" live edged slabs plus some 1" stuff.
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The FEL load and I did not hit any metal. :)
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Loaded into his trailer.
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The customer and his wife digging through the scrap pile. Two hours work and one $SGU.
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I got some gnarly slabs like that off the last big cedar I cut. Brought big$
Got a load of big syp a while back. They were such a joy to saw. I sawed the last log from that load yesterday. Got 39 2x6's out of it.
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While in Lowes today, I checked the price of their 2x6's. Over $20 each after tax. For a 2x6x12. Unbelievable.
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Quote from: Machinebuilder on March 05, 2022, 07:30:58 PM
Last night I went and bought a grapple for my bobcat. so I had to try it out this morning
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This is some walnut a friend had given me.
You can see my helpers aren't even good at staying out of my way. I cant get the picture of Sox to upload It's Gabby in this one.
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Some very pretty wood
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And maybe a couple charcuterie boards, or cheese boards for us less snooty people :D
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I cut a couple smaller pieces but nothing great in them, another piece will be firewood or smoking wood.
Nice 👍. My helpers are the same way 😂
That's what 2x6 are bringing here. I just got my first custom sawing job for framing lumber this week. Building inspector said ok to rough sawn. :)
Friday afternoon I sawed up some nice 16' butternut logs for the log broker.
4/4 and 5/4 .
The logs had 20" to 28" butts
We used to have big butternut trees , they die off now before they get 12" now.
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trimmed up a flitch that was too good for firewood, RO. will make a bench seat for along the wall at the fire pit.
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3.5 inches thick, 16 wide, and 14 feet long.
then some cottonwood. was making junk firewood for BSA, or chimineas, or fire pits, but found a very solid log.
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got half through and set off the first four 2" slabs you see in the background on the right, and the final four still on the mill. nice and white.
Took on a big order for my little one man operation.200 2"x4"s 100 12' and 100 10' all poplar.Found out logs have to be pretty straight to get very many good boards.Probably bit off more than I can easily chew but I guess greed and poverty got the best of me.Logs on deck might get me 50 12' boards.Still have several trees that tops are dying and need cut.I guess if it was easy everybody would want to do it :laugh:
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I look forward to sawing poplar one of these days. Doc, we have a similar pair of live oak slabs as benches along our dining room table. My wife requested a bigger table this morning.
John and I did not do a lot of sawing this weekend. He had travel baseball with his son. I helped a vet bleed gilts and do health certificates on several show hogs on Saturday morning. We met at my house after lunch and drove north of Dade City to load two live oak logs on my small trailer. We used canthooks, a comealong, and some 3" PVC pipes to load the logs. The customer paid us to collect his logs and saw a mantle. I told him that it would be a one hour minimum sawing charge and that we would get as much useable product as possible. He ended up with a couple of mantles, slabs and some nice 4/4 boards. Today, the customer came by to get his wood. The price was well below what he was expecting but left a nice tip. After sawing the live oak, we sawed a few pine logs into 16' 2x8's.
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We did the best we could to box the heart in the mantles but these logs were so off centered and were not large enough to cut them free of heart.
This afternoon, I went and got a trailer load of slash pine logs and met a customer that we will be doing quite a bit of sawing for.
Red Maple with some staining I've never seen before.
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This afternoon, I was sawing a cant of 2x6s. I had just finished the cutting and was out of the cut when the sawmill just stopped running. First thought................did I fill the fuel tank today? Yep, the tank was empty. I filled it with diesel and ran the fuel pump before cranking, but the Yanmar just would not start. I checked the line out of the filter and it had fuel. Not sure if it was enough coming out. I disconnected the fuel line from the fuel pump and fuel pumped out, but not like it did when it was new. When I leave the key on for the pump, after a while I hear a buzzing sound from the top of the engine. I cranked the engine three times total. I am at a loss if I ruined the injector pump or some electrical gadget needs to be reset, or my fuel pump (replaced last October) went out again, as fuel in the water seperator bowl won't raise above the level it did when the fuel pump was out.
I will call WM in the morning. But I am wondering if fuel starvation is a death blow to a Yanmar fuel injector pump, like in a 2002 Cummins, or it doesn't harm it like in my 2003 Cummins?
Anybody here know that answer?
hugs, Brandi
I'm not very familiar with Yanmars but generally if the lift pump won't push fuel through injector pump you will have to bleed air out of the lines at the injectors until you get a spray of fuel at each one. That may get you going again.
Running out of fuel isn't a problem with re-starting my Yanmar (3 cyl in John Deere).
Is there a fuel filter that may be plugged some? or a chance some water was drawn into the injector pump?
Bleeding the lines after a new fuel filter may be a fix. Just guesses... good luck.
I once got my JD 850 going with a little air pressure to the fuel tank. I have also had to loosen up the lines at the engine to let out the air.
Quote from: KenMac on March 07, 2022, 08:49:20 PM
I'm not very familiar with Yanmars but generally if the lift pump won't push fuel through injector pump you will have to bleed air out of the lines at the injectors until you get a spray of fuel at each one. That may get you going again.
If the injector pump is alright, that is what I will need to do. I just bleed air out before dark for filling and bleeding the air out of the fuel filter.
hugs, Brandi
You will also need to bleed at the pump and injectors. You bleed them just like you would brakes. My Kubota has a bleed screw on the body of the pump. Then when bleeding the injectors pick the longest injector line first.
I've run mine out. Put a full tank on and squeeze the bulb a half dozen times or so to recirculate back into tank, then key to on, can hear the pump making its usual noise for a minute or so then start it without much extra cranking. Maybe a bit extra cranking a few times but not more than 5 seconds each attempt. Never had to bleed air like on Kubota D42.
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on March 08, 2022, 01:16:28 AM
I've run mine out. Put a full tank on and squeeze the bulb a half dozen times or so to recirculate back into tank, then key to on, can hear the pump making its usual noise for a minute or so then start it without much extra cranking. Maybe a bit extra cranking a few times but not more than 5 seconds each attempt. Never had to bleed air like on Kubota D42.
I removed the squeeze bulb when I replaced the fuel pump, per WM. With the electric pump, you don't need the squeeze bulb. I don't put a full tank on. It is mounted in a metal enclosure.
hugs, Brandi
I talked to a Yanmar repair dealer. The guy told me some tricks WM told me not to do. Bottom line is the injector pump can not be killed by lack of fuel, like my old 2002 Cummins in my pickup. He walked me through at length on the phone exactly where to bleed everything. Also told me to let the starter cool after 15 seconds cranking. It sounds like it is doable. Which is good, because they charge $149 an hour with a 2-3 day turn time. $2.50 a mile if they come here, which is 48 miles.
But at least I found a shop that can secure the sawmill inside if they had to work on it. I told him I was afraid of "hangar" rash to the sawmill. 46 years working in and out of hangars..........I have seen plenty of hangar and "ramp" rash happen.
Thanks guys for the help. I will bled it out after it quits raining 40 degree weather. I think the sun will be out tomorrow.
hugs, Brandi
A couple of weeks back, I had cut these 8 foot 1x12s.
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Specifically for the area bee keepers. I cut the oldest logs I have on hand for them. You know the ones I am talking about. No sap dripping off and the sawdust flies in your face alot more. Had 44 of them and two customers showed up for all of them this morning. One was strapping his load while the other loading. Looks like they both will be repeat customers.
hugs, Brandi
The VP44 in your 2002 was killed by long term lack of fuel pressure due to a failed lift pump, not from running out of fuel. The VP will pull just as much fuel as it needs to run, but 70% of the fuel that the lift pump pumps is for cooling. That is why the VP dying is the first sign of a problem, unless you have a pressure gauge or have replaced the junk Carter lift pump Dodge put on the 24 valves.
Last June I said that I was slowing down. Well if this is slowing down I am certainly glad that I did. After I saw this one I have another whole house waiting.
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This several times repeat customer said that it was over 200 logs, and it is.
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The setup is very workable.
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With the tractor bringing 3-4 logs as needed.
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This cut list is for a whole house and did not include the 1X12's nor the Oak. After we saw the cut list the remainder of the logs will be sawn into whatever usable lumber that they will make.
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Eleven ~1X16+ bookmatched stuff from a junker log.
I have no idea how many logs that we sawed today but they yielded 2781 bf. Not bad.
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 08, 2022, 02:52:35 PM
The VP44 in your 2002 was killed by long term lack of fuel pressure due to a failed lift pump, not from running out of fuel. The VP will pull just as much fuel as it needs to run, but 70% of the fuel that the lift pump pumps is for cooling. That is why the VP dying is the first sign of a problem, unless you have a pressure gauge or have replaced the junk Carter lift pump Dodge put on the 24 valves.
I didn't say I ran out of fuel with my 2002 Cummins. I said fuel starvation. If you have a lack of fuel you have low pressure. Original pumps all around at that time. After that I always refueled at a half a tank of fuel, to keep that lift pump submerged and cooled.
hugs, Brandi
I pulled the vent plug on the water/fuel separator assembly today. Waited and waited for fuel to come out. Replaced the plug and after 12 seconds of cranking, she fired up. Today didn't miss sawing as it was a cold, rained out day. Tomorrow I saw. Yippee.
hugs, Brandi
Those are some nice logs and a good setup, MM. When you saw the 2x6x24's, I hope that you will share your method. I have not figured out an efficient way to saw logs longer than the mill.
Quote from: Magicman on March 08, 2022, 07:01:59 PM
Last June I said that I was slowing down. Well if this is slowing down I am certainly glad that I did. After I saw this one I have another whole house waiting.
This several times repeat customer said that it was over 200 logs, and it is.
The setup is very workable.
With the tractor bringing 3-4 logs as needed.
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This cut list is for a whole house and did not include the 1X12's nor the Oak. After we saw the cut list the remainder of the logs will be sawn into whatever usable lumber that they will make.
Eleven ~1X16+ bookmatched stuff from a junker log.
I have no idea how many logs that we sawed today but they yielded 2781 bf. Not bad.
Lynn,
How are you gonna cut those 24 foot 2x6s?
I think I like my whole house sawing gig better. So far he has brought me pine for stakes and foundation boards. In a week or so, he will bring the logs for studs and top & bottom sill plates.
hugs, Brandi
My customer is also a professional builder.
Those 24' 2X6's will actually be two 12' X 2X6's. He said that the way that he is building/bracing, splicing will not be an issue.
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Funny thing is that the cut list for the next whole house also includes 24' X 2X6's. I have not talked with this customer about his cut list yet.
What I do know that this old man is getting a workout.
Lynn,
How do you keep up with your cut list? I tell customers to prepare one if they have a specific need but I also tell them I can either saw or count but I can't do both at the same time.
I did a job last year with the customer's whole family helping - and they were good help and I really enjoyed it. He was building a big shop and had a pretty comprehensive framing list. I found after every log I was going back to count the various stacks again and I finally I just appointed his teenage granddaughter as head accountant and I kicked myself for not doing that at the start. She was very good and every time we'd roll a log on the mill she'd say "Okay this is a 12' log. For 12' we need 4 more 2X6s and 7 more 2X4s and after that everything will be 1"." She did a great job, was proud of herself and cut my wasted counting time to nothing.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 08, 2022, 08:20:24 PM
Lynn,
How do you keep up with your cut list? I tell customers to prepare one if they have a specific need but I also tell them I can either saw or count but I can't do both at the same time.
I did a job last year with the customer's whole family helping - and they were good help and I really enjoyed it. He was building a big shop and had a pretty comprehensive framing list. I found after every log I was going back to count the various stacks again and I finally I just appointed his teenage granddaughter as head accountant and I kicked myself for not doing that at the start. She was very good and every time we'd roll a log on the mill she'd say "Okay this is a 12' log. For 12' we need 4 more 2X6s and 7 more 2X4s and after that everything will be 1"." She did a great job, was proud of herself and cut my wasted counting time to nothing.
The guys that can count and saw wood at the same time spend 4 years in school at College Station, Texas.
They can also chew gum at the same time and tell Aggie jokes. They are also called Boss. :D
hugs, Brandi
My 70 with the Yanmar has the squeeze bulb and the electric pump. Not sure why WM would tell you to take it off.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 08, 2022, 08:20:24 PMHow do you keep up with your cut list?
I did a quick count this evening because I was curious, but my normal is to count when the sawing is done or when a particular dimension is done. With the exception of the one inch stuff today, I only sawed ten foot 2X4's & 2X10's. All of the side lumber made either one or two 2X4's. Tomorrow will be about the same and we should finish the 10's and move on to the 12' and 14' stuff.
I prefer to count stacked lumber I do not like to count lumber as it leaves the sawmill. It's too confusing and too easy to miss lumber.
I normally tally and invoice the sawn lumber at the end of a sawing week. At that time I will spray my special paint on the top boards on a stack to denote that it has been tallied.
Brandi,
I have confessed to my shortcomings (?) and offered a proposed solution that I found has worked for me. I believe my proposal is on the order of "Delegation of Authority", "fostering a sense of responsibility in young workers" and "teambuilding" which I believe you will find listed on most management traits but I digress. ;)
Aggie jokes are not telling jokes they are just make astute observations of a particular segment of Texas culture (Or is it a counter culture :D.)
I know some sawyers do keep a count of their cuts as they make them. I don't. I find doing so prevents me from paying attention to other aspects of sawing which I feel are more deserving of my attention. My counting is either done at the end of the job or by making separate standardized stacks which can normally be counted at a glance.
Lynn,
Thanks. I think we are well in agreement on that issue.
Quote from: Bindian on March 08, 2022, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 08, 2022, 02:52:35 PM
The VP44 in your 2002 was killed by long term lack of fuel pressure due to a failed lift pump, not from running out of fuel. The VP will pull just as much fuel as it needs to run, but 70% of the fuel that the lift pump pumps is for cooling. That is why the VP dying is the first sign of a problem, unless you have a pressure gauge or have replaced the junk Carter lift pump Dodge put on the 24 valves.
I didn't say I ran out of fuel with my 2002 Cummins. I said fuel starvation. If you have a lack of fuel you have low pressure. Original pumps all around at that time. After that I always refueled at a half a tank of fuel, to keep that lift pump submerged and cooled.
hugs, Brandi
Well, you just said killed by lack of fuel. To clarify, for anyone that might still be running a veep, the VP44 overheats from not getting that extra 70% of fuel and the electronics get fried. The lift pump is on the engine below the fuel filter. Once it's dead, it doesn't matter what the fuel level is in the tank.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 08, 2022, 09:10:07 PM
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Aggie jokes are not telling jokes they are just make astute observations of a particular segment of Texas culture (Or is it a counter culture :D.)
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I have some family in Texas who would take exception to that statement. They would probably tell you that folks who do such stuff are just trying to conceal their own embarrassment at their personal shortcomings. :D ;D
Two...hundred...logs. Wowzers. :o I hope some day my business is able to "speed up" to MM's kind of "slowing down".
Pulled my mill out from winter hibernation today, everything fired up and worked.8)
Have had a couple repeat customer requests for lumber, been waiting for things to warm up above freezing here before I get sawing.
Tom,
I commend you for admitting to having family members as described. Most of us have a few similar branches on our family tree but are just too embarrassed to admit it in public. ;D I have had some relatives, who died in prison, others who should have been there with them, etc but I honestly can't think of an Aggie in the family. :D
Kind of like the old salt Marine I knew who said ...
Never mind. I will not risk making other forum family members angry for things beyond their control here. ::)
Howard, DanG! You can count? I thought you went to Auburn???? Never seen that combination before.
Quote from: Southside on March 08, 2022, 08:57:52 PM
My 70 with the Yanmar has the squeeze bulb and the electric pump. Not sure why WM would tell you to take it off.
Because the squeeze part is the first place to get air leaks and also the electric pump does the same thing the bulb does. We were trouble shooting and I installed auto parts fuel hose and didn't buy the motor boat gas can squeeze bulb. So with the electric lift pump, the squeeze bulb is redundant.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WDH on March 08, 2022, 09:57:48 PM
Howard, DanG! You can count? I thought you went to Auburn???? Never seen that combination before.
Guess he was barefoot again.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 08, 2022, 09:26:52 PM
Quote from: Bindian on March 08, 2022, 07:13:18 PM
Quote from: Dave Shepard on March 08, 2022, 02:52:35 PM
The VP44 in your 2002 was killed by long term lack of fuel pressure due to a failed lift pump, not from running out of fuel. The VP will pull just as much fuel as it needs to run, but 70% of the fuel that the lift pump pumps is for cooling. That is why the VP dying is the first sign of a problem, unless you have a pressure gauge or have replaced the junk Carter lift pump Dodge put on the 24 valves.
I didn't say I ran out of fuel with my 2002 Cummins. I said fuel starvation. If you have a lack of fuel you have low pressure. Original pumps all around at that time. After that I always refueled at a half a tank of fuel, to keep that lift pump submerged and cooled.
hugs, Brandi
Well, you just said killed by lack of fuel. To clarify, for anyone that might still be running a veep, the VP44 overheats from not getting that extra 70% of fuel and the electronics get fried. The lift pump is on the engine below the fuel filter. Once it's dead, it doesn't matter what the fuel level is in the tank.
No, I didn't say killed by lack of fuel. This is my direct quote............... But I am wondering if fuel starvation is a death blow to a Yanmar fuel injector pump, like in a 2002 Cummins, or it doesn't harm it like in my 2003 Cummins?
Call it what you will........death blow, fried, toast. It means all the same thing.......$$$$
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on March 08, 2022, 09:10:07 PM
Brandi,
I have confessed to my shortcomings (?) and offered a proposed solution that I found has worked for me. I believe my proposal is on the order of "Delegation of Authority", "fostering a sense of responsibility in young workers" and "teambuilding" which I believe you will find listed on most management traits but I digress. ;)
Aggie jokes are not telling jokes they are just make astute observations of a particular segment of Texas culture (Or is it a counter culture :D.)
I know some sawyers do keep a count of their cuts as they make them. I don't. I find doing so prevents me from paying attention to other aspects of sawing which I feel are more deserving of my attention. My counting is either done at the end of the job or by making separate standardized stacks which can normally be counted at a glance.
Lynn,
Thanks. I think we are well in agreement on that issue.
Howard,
I gather I might have stepped on a toe or two. I mean to. You see my Dad was an Aggie and I almost went to aerospace engineering there. I look up to anyone that went there. But Aggies do love to spread Aggie jokes.
On counting lumber, my stacking on pallets lets me easy just count columns and levels of boards.
Quote from: Magicman on March 08, 2022, 07:38:08 PM
My customer is also a professional builder.
Those 24' 2X6's will actually be two 12' X 2X6's. He said that the way that he is building/bracing, splicing will not be an issue.
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Funny thing is that the cut list for the next whole house also includes 24' X 2X6's. I have not talked with this customer about his cut list yet.
What I do know that this old man is getting a workout.
What's the difference between a house builder and a professional builder 😂
Quote from: Walnut Beast on March 08, 2022, 11:03:54 PMWhat's the difference between a house builder and a professional builder
Maybe it's in the eyes of the beholder. I would not classify the upscale homes that he builds as 'houses'. :)
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on March 08, 2022, 01:16:28 AM
I've run mine out. Put a full tank on and squeeze the bulb a half dozen times or so to recirculate back into tank, then key to on, can hear the pump making its usual noise for a minute or so then start it without much extra cranking. Maybe a bit extra cranking a few times but not more than 5 seconds each attempt. Never had to bleed air like on Kubota D42.
Same here, I have the Yanmar and it always fires right back up after squeezing the bulb to get the fuel back to to pump
Danny,
You need to go back to sleeping in the sun and scratching an occasional flea and stay out of this. ;)
Brandi,
I spent too much time learning (Still am) to saw lumber to waste my valuable time counting boards that any 3rd grader could do so I choose to direct my energies to sawing better lumber in a safer fashion. Besides, the kids enjoy it and being productive members of the team makes them feel important and useful. They are. I think we agree the standard size stacks of lumber is the quickest and most accurate way to count lumber where you can do so.
I never heard of an Aggie till I joined the USMC and served with several. My experiences are all first hand and my opinions are based on them. No offense intended but I do not hold the organization in the same high regard some others do. Some traditions and attitudes there still need to die out as they have elsewhere.
Howard,
Again, I am sorry to have offended you with my comments. It was never intended to offend anyone. Please accept my sincere apology. I was trying to inject humor, but I see now I need to keep that type of humor in Texas.
hugs, Brandi
Brandi,
For public disclosure you are on my list of favorite FF members and it would take a lot to change that. Be safe, keep the posts coming.
I had an early blood draw for lab work this morning so we got a sorta late start.
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This lumber is being dead stacked into lifts that the customer's tractor can pick up. It will be trailered to and stickered at the building location. No trouble counting this. All of the 10' is sawn and we have moved to the 14's now. Only 2436 bf sawn today for a two day total of 5216 bf.
Just another run of the mill burl walnut log.
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I saved even the scraps.
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I think I could have got a lot more value out of the log by cutting it in half to attack each burl but my customer wanted full length slabs.
I'll have nightmares about how many knife scales, pistol grips, and box tops I could have got out of the log.
Thats some awesome figuring. Wood turners would go nutz for that stuff.
Quote from: Larry on March 09, 2022, 08:34:45 PM
Just another run of the mill burl walnut log.
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I saved even the scraps.
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I think I could have got a lot more value out of the log by cutting it in half to attack each burl but my customer wanted full length slabs.
I'll have nightmares about how many knife scales, pistol grips, and box tops I could have got out of the log.
I Love it !!!!!! Looks Awesome Larry! Gets me jacked to get into some new logs after this weather gets better here!
I sawed 12 foot 2x6s this morning and stickers this evening. Stickers are so boring, I didn't even bring the camera out. If Y'all want proof of the 2x6s................here is a file photo. :D
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<<Disclaimer>> These 2x6s were either sawed today or in the past................ignore all the green in the background. ::)
hugs, Brandi
Great stickering job.
A few 2x6x16's this morning.
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I have finished the 10' stuff and moved on to the 12's & 14's.
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Continuing to "whack & stack". I added another couple of Mbf today making the total over 7Mbf for three days sawing.
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To add a bit of excitement and wake everyone up, I did have a blade to break today. I have been using 3 blades per day so today was 3½. ;D
BANG!
Yup! Just like an AK-47, it makes a very distinctive sound when fired at you. ;D I never broke a blade until I started that part time LT50 gig and now whenever I do break one, if I cut the engine soon enough, I can often hear the boss up on the hill 1/4 mile away laughing and/or making sarcastic comments. (I think that's fine, he is paying for the blades. :D)
It will make you lose count of your boards too! :D
I am friends with an Amish tree service guy. he wanted to make a farm table for his family and brought some logs and his son. I let the son hold the lever forward for moving the mill, as I controlled the speed (including stop if I wanted). sure enough, bang went a blade, and I instinctively said, "what did you do"? He looked a little scared till he saw his dad and me laughing.
A really nice spruce log for me.
Made some nice 2x12x16 for the customer
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5 packs of red oak ready to go to the kiln facility
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Nice whack. Hey Bruno, how is that fancy trailer working out?
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on March 11, 2022, 06:47:52 AM
Nice whack. Hey Bruno, how is that fancy trailer working out?
The trailer was great
They came and got it the other day to go to a couple of shows.
The belt feed dump is awesome to use.
We are adding some things I want on the next one. Or I will get that one back and build higher side boards.
Bruno, I can hear those sawhorses groaning.
Quote from: WDH on March 11, 2022, 08:07:56 AM
Bruno, I can hear those sawhorses groaning.
They do :D
I'm surprised at what they can take
I've got more walnut logs than I need right now, but it doesn't mean I don't want more. Yesterday while driving across mid-Missouri I saw a stack of walnut logs that must have been 200' long and stacked at least 14' high. I thought, it sure would be nice to have all of that. No pictures because I was driving and it was snowing at the time.
Of course I didn't get the walnut, but the other day a friend called me to say he has a bunch of really nice white oak logs for me.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on March 11, 2022, 09:36:50 AM
Quote from: WDH on March 11, 2022, 08:07:56 AM
Bruno, I can hear those sawhorses groaning.
They do :D
I'm surprised at what they can take
And I am surprised that WV Sawmiller didn't call you out because those sawhorses have no stringers or diagonals. Geez last year he gave me a heck of a time citing all kinds of disaster scenarios of how I could get hurt or small children could be flattened because I had no stringers. He shamed me into adding them against my better judgement. :D
Now we can clearly see they will take quite a load when those feet have a bite in the dirt.
Tom,
Waddah you want me to do? Send you the 26 cents you spent for the recycled bent nails and 2 scrap stringers you got out of the kindling box you used to reinforce those ricketdy death traps you had posted? :D Besides, weren't your's used on that slick bluestone granite in your area instead of securely dug into top soil like Brunos?
Bruno what is your cover on the lumber whack? Tyvek?
QuoteBruno, I can hear those sawhorses groaning.
If they break a leg, do the sawhorses get sent to the glue factory? ???
of course, how else would you fix a wooden sawhorse leg...with glue! :)
Ba dum dum! :D :D
Quote from: Nebraska on March 11, 2022, 10:15:15 AM
Bruno what is your cover on the lumber whack? Tyvek?
I use synthetic roofing paper , it works great
Quote from: Bruno of NH on March 11, 2022, 12:09:16 PM
Quote from: Nebraska on March 11, 2022, 10:15:15 AM
Bruno what is your cover on the lumber whack? Tyvek?
I use synthetic roofing paper , it works great
That's another great idea I just learned from you Bruno. Thanks. I have no idea why I never thought of that before. DUH!
Howard, I choose not to dignify your comment with a reply, but if I was so inclined I would point out that our crushed stone and broken shale hereabouts is the finest that can be found for holding things in place, slicing fingers, wearing out boots in record time, and any number of other valuable assets.
Just shy of 100-- 1.5x5.5x16's from just TWO syp logs. That's not including all of the edger boards I've yet to run through the edger. I lowered the side supports to make more room, and accidentally rolled the log on top of the rear side support, breaking it at the weld and bending the arm that the rod is connected to. A quick 3 mile trip to the machine shop and back up and running.
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I finished the first 4 days of this job this afternoon.
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That is 9440bf of mostly framing lumber which is averaging 2360 bf per day. The 2X4's are dimensional and the 6's, 8's, & 10's are full size width and 1 5/8" thick. I sawed five 12' logs into stickers that I neither scaled nor invoiced.
I'll be continuing to saw ¾X6's for lap siding and then 1X4's for lath Monday.
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This is what a REAL sawmill dollar looks like. ::)
OK, it's been over an hour now, so I guess I'll bite: What's the deal on the 'sawmill dollar'?
:D It is what it is, but that is the very first one that I have ever actually seen. :o
Mel Tillis - Sawmill - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_VWSD5U0nY)
Wait till Tom hears about a "Sawmill Wife." :D Maybe these southern terms we all took for granted. ;)
Apparently there is a big void in my education. I have no idea what you guys are talking about. But I have always enjoyed Mel Tillis's work.
Jokes aside, I would have loved to have had Jeff there with his new camera making a video of me knocking out some of those logs into framing lumber about every 10-12 minutes. My three tailgunners were earning their sawmill dollars. We did not set any records but it was some smooth steady sawing.
I was sawing mantels today. Not making mantels, but un-making them. A guy came and bought 5 walnut mantels that I had for sale and asked me to saw them all in half. He owns the local farmer's market and had recently remodeled the inside part of the store with what he called barnwood. He said he had been looking for something to use as shelves and found my ad for the mantels. I resawed them all to about 10/4 for him. He saw some walnut that I sawed a couple years ago as possible rifle stocks. He may buy all of those from me too.
Let's see some pictures
Quote from: Magicman on March 11, 2022, 07:38:33 PMThis is what a REAL sawmill dollar looks like.
And remember, Gene Watson spent 7 of those "Sawmill Dollars" on a bracelet in "Fourteen Carat Mind"....
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We get them here too. ;D
Yup, tired, weary, worn, and well earned.
I recently bumped my sawing rate up 5¢ per bf, so there were a few additional sawmill $$.
Started on some SYP 1x12s and 10s yesterday.
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Sawed a little over 600' working by myself. Customer picked up around 5:30 yesterday and ordered another 1000' . I guess I better get busy.
@Walnut Beast (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=49695) this is the only picture I took.
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Looking good 👍
Sawmill dollar: A sawmill dollar was worth just a dollar. The term comes from the people who worked in the sawmills of a century or more ago. The work was hard and the days long and the dollar they were paid was hard earned. The term sawmill dollar reflected how hard it was to earn money in those times.
I'll see your google search and raise you one more: I found an actual sawmill dollar on Ebay, but we can't post those links here. Just go on ebay and search for "RARE R-10 MOBILE RIVER SAWMILL CO. MT VERNON,ALA. ONE DOLLAR TOKEN"
Apparently these were dollar tokens paid to employees in lieu of cash wages that could only be redeemed at a company store for merchandise. An early way of controlling employees and where the spent the money they earned. Today companies do it in other ways to keep their employees as close to indentured as possible. ;D
well, I hope they did not want more than a dollar for it. :D :D
I checked it out. $200.00. I wonder how long someone would have had to work for that much when it was in use?
Around here the coal companies used to issue scrip to their employees to use at the commissary instead of paying casg. As I understand most people never got out of debt to the company when working for coal companies or sawmills and such. My maternal grandfather got fired from a local veneer mill one time because he did not shop at the commissary.
The military exchanges in Iraq and Afghanistan printed tokens or fobs as we called them in 5, 10 & 25 cent denominations and gave them to you in change when you bought something there. I think they just rounded up or down for the pennies and ignored them. If you got enough you could exchange them for folding money. Lots of the troops and us contractors got them and used for poker chips or such. I am sure enough were lost in the wash or trashed to more than pay for the printing costs.
When I was working recruits at Parris Island we followed suit with San Diego in issuing chits for the recruits to use to pay for their Exchange needs such as hair cuts, etc. It made it easier on us as I no longer had to do cash pay calls at the end of the first phase (end of 3 weeks) and the end of training and it cut out barracks larceny. The Base exchange officer said every recruit seemed to want to keep one for a souvenir which more than covered printing costs - kind of like an uncashed check.
Yeah, that's where songs like this came from:
SIXTEEN TONS - Tennesse Ernie Ford w/ Lyrics - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5VMZqgVzRo)
Looking for some treasures today
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My customer stickered last week's 9440 bf of lumber Saturday. The eight stacks will be covered with metal roofing.
I sawed 18 logs today yielded well over 2Mbf of ¾X6's, 8's, 10's, & 12's. I should finish sawing the ¾" stuff tomorrow depending upon the rain/weather.
3/4" thickness is the same as 1" when calculating BdFt?
It is if I'm sawing. I tell my customers under 1" is billed as 1".
Me too also again.
Was happy to see the gnarly perfections. Have plenty of the plain knot free stuff with no character or attitude. That's to boring
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Quote from: Sixacresand on March 14, 2022, 08:44:24 PM3/4" thickness is the same as 1" when calculating BdFt?
Absolutely, I am selling a sawing service, not lumber.
Same as ½" to 1" or 1½" to 2". I saw 1 1/8" as 1" and 1¼" as 1¼".
I bet that customer will have some nice moldy black pine.
Not enough air flow?
I'll start sawing these fine logs later today.
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They are for my whole house customer. It sure is way different getting logs from a customer.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: WDH on March 15, 2022, 11:34:49 AMI bet that customer will have some nice moldy black pine.
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These SYP logs seen on the left above were "storm" trees that had been recovered last Summer/Fall. They had slipped bark and were already quite dry. A few had/has sawyer holes but very few were pencil size. His stacks are about 6' apart and oriented East/West so he will catch any wind. I don't believe that he will have a drying problem. The majority of the lumber is 10'.
It was wet/muddy yesterday so we opted not to saw, but we will be finishing the ¾X6's today and move on to whatever else he wants. The cut list for the house lumber will be complete.
We could use some nice pine logs like those now.
I had a guy call me a few days ago and asked if I wanted to buy some cedar logs from him. He's already got them bucked to length and will load them on my trailer. We agreed on a very good price, so yes I will buy some logs from him. He sent me this picture of some of the logs and it reminds me of Lynn's first picture on this thread. It looks like some pretty nice ERC.
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Hoping to make some 2"x4"s out of this poplar.Need 50 more 12 footers.Hopefully this will get me close.
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That's some slamming ERC for sure!! Nice score.
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That's some slamming ERC for sure!! Nice score.
I hope they turn out a lot of good boards. At least from the picture I don't see any major heart rot.
Well, since I managed to not blow up my battery this time, I managed to load all the rest of the cherry logs from my friend's yard. Some of this has shake just like the great big log had, but mostly just the log just above that big one. There will be some nice stuff here I think and some nice figure from forks.
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I am still sawing full speed trying to finish this job before next week's scheduled "whole house" job.
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993 bf of 1X7 & 1X10 SYP "bee hive" lumber that left this morning.
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In addition to the bee hive lumber and the 'off camera' 1X4 lathing, this was sawn yesterday and today. We finished sawing the remainder of the framing lumber this morning.
We have at least 3 more days sawing, about 50 more logs to saw to finish this job. Probably 25 more SYP logs before we get to the Red and Post Oak.
After last night's rain my side support roller was sorta rusty and needed brightening up soooo....
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I was very successful taking care if that task in one simple pass. :-X
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Just a variety of different dimensions sawed.
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One if three whacks of stickers. I neither scale nor charge for stickers.
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Seven of the probably 40 logs left to saw which is more than I thought yesterday. Three more days to finish.
I have sawn a total of 17,066 bf in 8 days of sawing averaging 2133 bf per day. We have rain forecast for next Tuesday so it is really pushing me to complete this job before my next whole house job scheduled start on the 24th.
I am glad that I slowed down last June. ::)
- Nothing to compare with Magicmans stacks but I'm proud of it.76 12'2"x4"s and I need 34 more.Slow but sure 😄
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Looks great Magicman. So is everything getting stacked with green stickers?
Quote from: Wlmedley on March 18, 2022, 07:01:32 PM
- Nothing to compare with Magicmans stacks but I'm proud of it.76 12'2"x4"s and I need 34 more.Slow but sure 😄
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Nothing wrong with slow and steady 👍
Quote from: Magicman on March 18, 2022, 06:45:38 PM
After last night's rain my side support roller was sorta rusty and needed brightening up soooo....
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I was very successful taking care if that task in one simple pass. :-X
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Just a variety of different dimensions sawed.
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One if three whacks of stickers. I neither scale nor charge for stickers.
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Seven of the probably 40 logs left to saw which is more than I thought yesterday. Three more days to finish.
I have sawn a total of 17,066 bf in 8 days of sawing averaging 2133 bf per day. We have rain forecast for next Tuesday so it is really pushing me to complete this job before my next whole house job scheduled start on the 24th.
I am glad that I slowed down last June. ::)
How many blades are you using a day on that 2,000 bf a day not hitting anything? Have you tried the carbide blades ?
Quote from: Walnut Beast on March 18, 2022, 07:27:36 PMSo is everything getting stacked with green stickers?
Yes.
Generally 2-3 blades per day. I have had 4 blades to break, two in the weld. I have no plans to ever use carbide blades. It would be difficult to justify the cost of a carbide blade to a nail strike customer.
That glance on the side support basically counts as a band "de-setter", I removed a good chunk of my clamp a week or so ago, might need to weld that spot back... :o
Magicman,
I showed a customer the exact same polished bolt head today. I thought I lowered it all the way.
hugs, Brandi
Fat Lighter syp 1x10x12's and some nice straight syp 3/4"x8"x16'
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Really nice 👍
Quote from: Deese on March 19, 2022, 02:02:28 AMFat Lighter syp 1x10x12's
Those are from fast growing trees that must have come from a good site. I doubt a glug of dish soap or laundry detergent is going to keep your blade shiny while sawing that-the cherry flavored lube likely does better. I'm glad to see you posing pics of what you are sawing.
Deese,
Those lightard boards are probably worth more if you saw them into 6" X 1/2" strips and sell them for fire starter than you can get for them as lumber. :D
Actually fresh sawn lighter is not the best starter wood. I've tried it. It does not compare with stumps because it still contains an excessive amount of moisture.
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Some bookmatched that I sawed last week.
I'm having visions of Chevy Chase with magazine pages stuck to his hands.
I went to get those cedar logs today. There were 30 of them and I could not get all in one trip. The average size at the small end was probably 10 or 11 inches, so I think I will get some good lumber. There were a few that may have a little heart rot, but nothing too bad. He said he kept the bad ones out of the pile to sell. They are all unloaded and I'm gonna go back to the get the rest this afternoon.
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Look forward to the pictures of it on the mill
JMoore and I sawed a few overripe longleaf pine logs for a customer this afternoon. Some of the sapwood had termites crawling in it and the butt log had some hardware within. We smacked metal on two consecutive cuts. The first metal strike caused the blade to dive a bit, but we pushed it out the other end of the log and installed another blade, only to curl a dozen or so teeth on the blade. We flicked the curly cues off and kept sawing for a couple more hundred board feet. We installed the third blade on the third log.
These logs produce some 12" and 14" wide all heart boards.
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Funny the latest topics are lightening struck logs and shake....
I just finally cut this Walnut, 27" small end, 30"big end. As you can see it has ring shake likely from lighting strike. Ants moved in on one end mostly in the center part. So I used the chainsaw to section it into 4 pieces that I could then mill 4.5x8.5 flat sawn brace stock, 90BF Total yeild. Yes it took extra time, but walnut is worth it to me.
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Interesting! Nice save 👍
Quote from: Walnut Beast on March 19, 2022, 01:48:30 PM
Look forward to the pictures of it on the mill
Me too. Hopefully this week. I'm gonna finish the stacking platform and then I will commence sawing the cedar. I left the second load of logs on the trailer so I can just pull them off and go to the mill instead of double handling.
This black gold log that was laying across the creek for 7+ years is going to be a good one. Solid as can be on the top. The split on the bottom root must have happened when it fell over years ago. Probably cut it after I pick up the super duper high dollar Timberking carbide blades this week
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Lynn,
Yes, the fire starter needs to be dry but it is late in the firewood season so I'm working on the the premise that by the next time anyone needs them they will be dry enough to use. ;)
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A small 10' ash log I salvaged off a tree I cut for firewood. The logs seemed pretty solid so I decided to see if they'd make decent lumber.
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Another 10' log and an 8' butt log. The 10' log was going bad and had a horizontal crack about 3' from one end. That is what is making the trees so dangerous to cut. Both the log above and the butt log had a good bit of spalting but were pretty solid and made decent boards
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At the end I had 175 bf of 4/4 lumber. Used 1.1 engine hours. No speed records but decent steady sawing and some nice stock lumber to use or sell. While I was sawing an old repeat customer came and bout 30 bf of 1"X6"X10' boards. Sometimes they get lucky and I have what they can use.
I had another neighbor come by this morning and got a 20' pole and an 8' locust post off a locust tree I just dragged down yesterday. It had uprooted and I was dragging some poplar tops down with the ATV for cleanup. I cut it up for some low grade firewood and even got a low grade saw log or two that will make some 1X6 or maybe eve 1X8s. Not high quality but they will make bird houses that will sell at the flea market and local outfitter store that also sell plants and such. They sell a few tomato stakes and raised planters they get from me. It works good for all of us.
I continued sawing on my job today making 2X5 & 2X7 Post Oak trailer decking and then 1X12's from those big SYP logs for B&B siding. I did not scale but it was about 1800bf. No pictures of the lumber but I did have a visitor.
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FF member "Beavertooth" stopped by for a quick chat and picture.
We have a possible severe storm forecast to pass through at midday tomorrow, so no sawing by me. They have even closed the schools tomorrow.
My last day (for now) on this job will be Wednesday because I have a 'whole house' framing lumber job scheduled to begin Thursday. I will return to this site after we get back from the "Project".
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Lynn sawing in the Magicman recliner.
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Making 2X6's out of kinda pecker pole logs and the wind was bad.....right in my face. :-X
Thanks for stopping by Craig. 8)
Mr. Magicman looks like he's at home in that recliner!
;D
Started sawing the framing lumber for my whole house customer. He came and helped on the 16 foot 1x12s. These 2x12s will be roof trusses.
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hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on March 21, 2022, 09:02:30 PM
Making 2X6's out of kinda pecker pole logs and the wind was bad.....right in my face. :-X
Thanks for stopping by Craig. 8)
Are you wearing goggles? It looks like it in one picture. I know what you mean by wind in your face. I was wearing a dust mask with a very nasty wind but safety glasses don't cut it. Kept getting in my eyes. I could barely see with a 20 mph wind. And Diesel doesn't listen he was dusted in yellow gold
Based on @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) sawing totals for each day, I am surprise you can get pictures that aren't blurry as he zooms back and forth in that recliner!
Quote from: Walnut Beast on March 21, 2022, 11:44:28 PMAre you wearing goggles?
No goggles but they would have helped. I wear these: Bifocal Amber Safety Glasses (https://www.amazon.com/Pyramex-Bifocal-Glasses-Protective-Eyewear/dp/B009PTU4FI?th=1)
Thankfully the wind was short term yesterday. In this instance, the terrain dictated that I had to set up facing the South which I always try to avoid.
Yup, that recliner is da old man's friend, and also notice da step stool because it was steep off of the operator's side. ;D
We have passing showers this morning and the heavy stuff is forecast to arrive early afternoon. No sawing 'till tomorrow.
i think this may have been a modeling gig, MM working for WM. Wait for the spring catalog to come out! :o :o :o
When the 2023 calendar comes out, i hope he is at least wearing the apron and the boots. ;) :) :) :)
The ladies would buy them like hot cakes! Sexy fireman, sexy soldier, sexy sawyer.....
No offence but I will stick to my SPAM calendar. :D :D :D
Quote from: doc henderson on March 22, 2022, 07:49:00 AM
When the 2023 calendar comes out, i hope he is at least wearing the apron and the boots. ;) :) :) :)
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Got Aprons?? ;D
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Got Boots?? ;D
Got up enough nerve today to cut a big poplar behind the barn.Log deck full start sawing tomorrow.Small orders keep coming.Looks like this hobby is going to pay for itself :laugh:
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Looks great 👍
@Wlmedley (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=58995) , good for you!! It's great when it has paid for itself. I've never sold any wood, but mine has paid for itself at least twice for the money I've saved.
Wide white pine boards today
Loaded up this fatty
40" on the butt
It's going to my new wholesale account
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Glad to see your snow is gone.
Good luck with that big one.
Jim Rogers
I sawed 4 cedar logs this morning. The big cedars are always so disappointing. The first log I sawed was 16" on the small end. I did not get any what I would call nice boards out of it. I salvaged about 8 1x6's that are OK. I did better from the logs in the 10" range. Almost every board out of those logs were nice. I sawed an odd shaped log that I had to cut 1x4 from.
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Got lucky awhile back and got three nice cedar logs plus a bunch of stumps for free. Was able to sell 8 slabs and my friend and I got 13 cookies. He's been busy making cedar cookie tables.
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Yeah, that looks like a nice solid log. I have some more big ones. I still hope to get some good ones.
Finished.....Finally. The last log was a very nice ERC that I should have taken a picture of, but I was busy thinking about leaving. Heck I didn't even scale it. Total scaled lumber sawed on this job was 21148 bf. and it was about 50-50 framing lumber and 1" for siding, paneling, lath, etc. This puts my yearly total at 45Mbf+.
I will move to a whole house framing lumber job tomorrow. I plan for it to be my last sawing until we get back home from the "Project".
Just curious, how many hours into a job like that?
Nice looking stuff guys 👍
Quote from: fluidpowerpro on March 23, 2022, 08:55:35 PMJust curious, how many hours into a job like that?
I was on this job 10 days, generally sawing by 7:30 and quitting by 4:00. I averaged 2114.8 bf per day, not a record but not bad. I had very good help but we took breaks and did not push hard. I sawed 10 logs into stickers that I did not scale nor invoice. Logs with sawyer holes were slabbed deep so wasted sawing there.
Just curious as to why you don't charge for sawing stickers?
Every once in awhile and nothing consistently, one of my 16 foot 2bys comes out a little thin on the end, about 12-15 inches from the end. It is just enough to stick out like a sore thumb to a trained eye.
What is causing it? Is it I am going too slow or too fast?
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: KenMac on March 23, 2022, 10:29:11 PM
Just curious as to why you don't charge for sawing stickers?
I do not sell lumber but rather I sell a sawing service which includes stickers. That is the service that I provide, my decision and my sawing profile.
The majority of the time stickers are accumulated during edging but in this instance I saw where I could better use the 4 tailgunners while I was sawing rather than chasing stickers. An hour with one tailgunner knocking out the stickers was time well spent.
Quote from: Bindian on March 23, 2022, 10:35:09 PMEvery once in awhile and nothing consistently, one of my 16 foot 2bys comes out a little thin on the end, about 12-15 inches from the end. It is just enough to stick out like a sore thumb to a trained eye.
Stress within your cant is causing the end to lift up slightly off of the bed rail as you are sawing. What is missing from that end has been gradually added to the boards above it. Each of them are a bit thicker than you are sawing. Only 1/16th per board adds up as you remove boards.
Another instance of stress being relieved. You may have to flip the cant after each board is removed/sawn.
White pine is more forgiving, white oak is bad, especially at 16'. I flip every board when cutting 16' oak decking. When cutting oak timbers, I leave a 1/4" for cleanup on each face after cutting tree side lumber.
I cut construction lumber for the first time today. I've cut a 2x here and there, but this is an entire building. Logs were cut to clear the building site, and will get put back as a workshop.
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Quote from: Bindian on March 23, 2022, 10:35:09 PMEvery once in awhile and nothing consistently, one of my 16 foot 2bys comes out a little thin on the end, about 12-15 inches from the end. It is just enough to stick out like a sore thumb to a trained eye.
Stress within your cant is causing the end to lift up slightly off of the bed rail as you are sawing. What is missing from that end has been gradually added to the boards above it. Each of them are a bit thicker than you are sawing. Only 1/16th per board adds up as you remove boards.
Another instance of stress being relieved. You may have to flip the cant after each board is removed/sawn.
Lynn,
How do you know when to flip the cant when you can't see it move?
hugs, Brandi
If it doesn't move don't flip, but I can assure you that when you have a narrow end board at the end, it has moved. There are times when you may have to flip and make a sacrificial cut to get back to your 'cut line'.
Some logs have stress and thankfully some/most don't. I just finished sawing will over 150 SYP logs and probably only a half dozen or so were troublesome. One twisted and lifted badly and yielded very little of usable lumber.
Quote from: Magicman on March 23, 2022, 10:47:44 PM
Quote from: KenMac on March 23, 2022, 10:29:11 PM
Just curious as to why you don't charge for sawing stickers?
I do not sell lumber but rather I sell a sawing service which includes stickers. That is the service that I provide, my decision and my sawing profile.
The majority of the time stickers are accumulated during edging but in this instance I saw where I could better use the 4 tailgunners while I was sawing rather than chasing stickers. An hour with one tailgunner knocking out the stickers was time well spent.
Thanks, MM. I also don't charge for stickers, but I get them from jacket boards or edgings. The width may not be exactly the same on mine.
Quote from: Magicman on March 24, 2022, 08:18:39 AM
If it doesn't move don't flip, but I can assure you that when you have a narrow end board at the end, it has moved. There are times when you may have to flip and make a sacrificial cut to get back to your 'cut line'.
Some logs have stress and thankfully some/most don't. I just finished sawing will over 150 SYP logs and probably only a half dozen or so were troublesome. One twisted and lifted badly and yielded very little of usable lumber.
It is only one board out of a cant, not every board in that cant gets a thin end.
hugs, Brandi
I had 2 cedar logs in the range of 14" diameter today that were flawless. That made me happy after the bigger one yesterday was junk.
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bindian how far over the end of the bunk did the cant extend
The job that I have not been looking forward to was worth not looking forward to. :-X I got a cut list for framing lumber and I will saw framing lumber but guess what was first??
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Some of the logs, mostly SYP but something else is hiding. ::)
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Yup Oak logs. One smallish but the rest were..... :o
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Does this butt make my sawmill look little. No pictures of it/them on the sawmill and I forgot to take a picture of the 2" X full width slabs. We sawed 40 of them today and tomorrow will be another day.
Quote from: Bindian on March 24, 2022, 12:24:20 PMIt is only one board out of a cant, not every board in that cant gets a thin end.
I will stand by my Reply #468 above. You are looking at the one board that has a thin end, but are you looking at the other boards that have thicker ends? They are "stealing" thickness from the thin board (usually the bottom board) as stress is causing your cant to rise.
When this happens will you notice a gap between the cant and the bunk?
Absolutely, maybe not much but it is there.
As trapper mentioned above, if the cant is beyond the bed rail you won't see it but the end is raising up.
I will triple agree with the description MM has given. It's common with SYP - especially with plantation grown logs, and gets worse with logs that overhang the bunks.
I will not saw Plantation SYP with the ½" growth rings. Nope, ain't happening. :-X
Couldn't you just warn your client ahead of time of the risks. You can only do the best you can with the logs your supplied.
Yes I could/would but it seldom comes up. You only have to put one on the sawmill and let them watch what happens. :o
Actually probably most of my sawing is old growth Shortleaf Pine.
Quote from: trapper on March 24, 2022, 08:22:42 PM
bindian how far over the end of the bunk did the cant extend
As I remember on the long ones, I have them ending on the swing bunk.
Today was Repeat Customer Day
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More too big logs today as seen beside my 6' tailgunner. This one was 36" top end and Bibbyed on the butt.
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These 40 full 2" slabs were from yesterday and we sawed an additional 40 today. They range from 12" to 26" wide. Tomorrow will be more of the same.
I had a minor distraction this morning that is seen in the "Dumb" topic. :-X
Edit: My customer just sent me a message and we will finally be sawing the framing lumber cut list tomorrow and next week. Wheeeew !!! smiley_thumbsup
9200 plus bf of cypress oak and pine sawn last week and to 10' long big oaks today with close to a 1000bf in them. Forgot to take pictures of lumber today.
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1000 bf in them.
Quote from: Magicman on March 24, 2022, 10:06:07 PM
Yes I could/would but it seldom comes up. You only have to put one on the sawmill and let them watch what happens. :o
Actually probably most of my sawing is old growth Shortleaf Pine.
I pointed it out to him when he picked the stacks up yesterday. He said he noticed a random board as well. We will be flippin' cants when we cut the 16 foot floor joists. Right now it is all truss members, so most ends will get cut off.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on March 24, 2022, 09:27:53 PM
I will not saw Plantation SYP with the ½" growth rings. Nope, ain't happening. :-X
Lynn,
What is so bad about them to negate sawing them?
hugs, Brandi
Fast grown plantation pine will usually contain a much higher percentage of juvenile wood, which doesn't have the wood fiber necessary to provide the structural strength and stability compared to slower growing, thicker cell walled mature wood.
I would compare it with an undisciplined teenager because it got big before it got old. The boards peel off like a banana so the customer gets very little usable lumber and what do you get for the sawing. :-X
My answer is no.
I needed a bunch of 3/4×12×8's so I cut a big 16' log in half last night and got them both done. This was the smaller half. Gotta edge and sticker this morning.
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42 full 2" X up to 26" X 12' mostly live edge Red Oak that I sawed Thursday & Friday. He has about 10-12 more Oak logs that will wait until we finish the framing lumber.
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I was happy this morning to even saw junker SYP logs. Some very good and some not so much.
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The customer's wife brought lunch. Enchiladas and Jambalaya, so I brought my sammich back home.
We will be back to sawing framing lumber Monday.
Started on a 700' order od ERC this afternoon. Should finish tomorrow.
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713 feet ready for delivery.
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I sawed 82 ten and twelve foot full 2" X up to 26" Thursday & Friday. My customer has them advertised @ $350 each or two for $500. Here are the first two leaving today.
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We sawed framing lumber Saturday and today which is being stickered. The 2X8 and 2X12 cut list is complete and I am now sawing 2X4's & 2X6's. If I don't complete this job this week, it will be waiting on me when we get back from the Project. No sawing tomorrow nor next week.
Lynn,
What kind of wood are those 2"X 26" LE boards? They look to be about 12' long in the picture.
Red Oak.
Small stuff
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Rotten pecan log. Nice solid heart.
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Yielded over 300 BdFt including several 5/4 x 12 x 18' pieces.
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Didn't think I could do the job with a T7 resharp, but it worked well.
I also see that you used your Magic Hook to help load it. 8)
Working on the 2x order. First for me. Finished the 8', and a nice whack of 12' on the deck.
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Dave, it's interesting for me to see that not everyone saws framing lumber which is well over 90% of my sawing jobs. Mine is also nearly 100% store dimension. I can only recall 2-3 jobs that were full size.
I think it's just not very cost effective, especially in a house. We have a native lumber law, but the building inspector has to approve, and this one is actually all for it. Availability and cost may influence that. This person's grandfather, Bud, had a Wood-Mizer, supposedly delivered by Don Laskowsky himself, in 1982 or 83. He saw an ad in Popular Mechanics, called them up and bought one. :D Bud is almost entirely responsible for me owning a Wood-Mizer.
I lost count and have no idea how many "whole houses" I have sawed the framing lumber for. My present job is the 4th this year.
Quote from: Magicman on March 30, 2022, 02:36:09 PM
I also see that you used your Magic Hook to help load it. 8)
Thanks for noticing. Some of us are teachable.
I may have broken a daily sawing record for me today sawing framing lumber. :o
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2688 bf of 16 foot 2X6's and probably a dozen 2X4's. Just me and a 60's customer and a 70's tailgunner. The two college student "stackers" came just as I was leaving at 4:30.
We plan to saw tomorrow and Saturday which will put me in a "git-a-long" getting ready for our Project trip. Due to family commitments we can not leave until next Thursday which will put us there at noon-ish Friday
smiley_clapping smiley_clapping smiley_clapping
I finished the first load of framing lumber today. 4,314 total, with 1,786 done today.
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Looks like you are clicking right along Dave. 8)
Yes, had a good couple of days after a few false starts. :)
Quote from: Magicman on March 31, 2022, 08:35:04 PM
I may have broken a daily sawing record for me today sawing framing lumber. :o
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2688 bf of 16 foot 2X6's and probably a dozen 2X4's. Just me and a 60's customer and a 70's tailgunner. The two college student "stackers" came just as I was leaving at 4:30.
We plan to saw tomorrow and Saturday which will put me in a "git-a-long" getting ready for our Project trip. Due to family commitments we can not leave until next Thursday which will put us there at noon-ish Friday
Just curious, about how many logs were used to get that many board ft?
Happy Birthday. :)
I have no idea how many logs hit the deck. ?? The customer was bringing the 16' logs to the sawmill with an excavator and keeping 2-3 ready to roll onto the loader arms. Yesterday's logs ranged from ~10" to ~22" top. The customer told his wife that I was about to kill him. :D
Today's productivity will not be as good because most of the logs will be 10'. He is saving the next round of 16 footers for Saturday when he will have the college students back for tailgunners. ;D
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Quote from: Magicman on March 31, 2022, 08:35:04 PM
I may have broken a daily sawing record for me today sawing framing lumber. :o
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2688 bf of 16 foot 2X6's and probably a dozen 2X4's. Just me and a 60's customer and a 70's tailgunner. The two college student "stackers" came just as I was leaving at 4:30.
We plan to saw tomorrow and Saturday which will put me in a "git-a-long" getting ready for our Project trip. Due to family commitments we can not leave until next Thursday which will put us there at noon-ish Friday
Just curious, about how many logs were used to get that many board ft?
Happy Birthday!
Quote from: Magicman on April 01, 2022, 07:03:03 AMThe customer was bringing the 16' logs to the sawmill with an excavator
I started out sawing 10' logs this morning until...
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The customer spoiled my 10' party with more 16 footers.
I sawed more actual boards today but less board feet because of the 10' logs. I will have a final tally tomorrow which will close out this portion of this job. We will then decide whether to leave the sawmill or move it home.
So....I've not been able to purchase a sawmill, though I've thought several times I had one lined up...so I am still paying for mobile sawing to be done for me. Some pictures of a few boards from a day of milling last weekend.
The majority of this stuff I've been milling to use on my cabin walls. I'll be doing 1x6 paneling on my interior walls, for the bottom 3.5 feet or so, then painted drywall for the rest of the walls above.
hickory 1x6s
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This little guy was hiding in my sweet gum. Anyone have idea what it turns into?
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Sweet gum 1x12s.
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Got a few sweet gum 1x20s as well...I may use them for a head board...not really sure, I just love wide boards. If anything ill rip it down.
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Sweet gum 1x12s out of a different log. I like the heartwood in these boards a lot.
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So these boards were from what I believe was a shag bark hickory from a coworkers yard. He said it was hickory...the tree looked like shag bark hickory...but the wood is much darker than I've seen from hickory. There was some shake, but with the unique (to me) color, I rolled the dice.
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We also milled some poplar and red oak for a couple of my friends. Overall we milled about 1800 bd ft of hickory, maple, sweet gum, red oak, and poplar. A friend of mine had two red oak logs...and a total of 7 nails in those two logs...which slowed us down a bit, but overall I think everyone was happy. It was my friends first time getting wood milled for them, so I know they were both super excited to have a bunch of super cheap lumber for future projects.
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Nice neat stacks of sawn wood there.
How soon do you think you will get that lumber up on stickers?
Sweetgum has spiral grain so your wide sweetgum boards will have a strong propensity to warp and twist. Best stack them first on the bottom of the stack and use the weight of the other boards stacked in subsequent layers.
It will probably be stickered in a week or so. I am having to move from Alabama to Florida in July, so I am hauling all of my wood to Kentucky on Friday. I've got a tractor trailer with a 53 ft bed coming on Friday so I can load it all up.
Do folks think it will be ok not stickered until then? I'd hate to sticker it all, then unstuck it to load on the truck, then sticker again the following week in ky :/
@WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) yeah the sweet gum will be on the bottom and I've got about 1000 bd ft of air dried oak that will be on top smooshing it down
Sticker it, then band it tightly. Make sure there is a raised bed for a forklift to get under it with no problems.
Sawing cedar for a customer this morning. There was some pretty wood coming off the mill. I had to catch my breath after the blade broke on me. That has only happened a handful of times in 5 years of owning the mill. Still startles ya. My idle side belt ended up with a little damage. Still works, but I better get some new ones coming.
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@rusticretreater (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=57554) it might be too late to sticker now, but we'll see. We have a lot of work to get done before Friday and I'm not sure we will have time to sticker before loading.
We are milling an oak into live edge slabs next week. It ranges from about 4.5 ft in diameter to about 7 ft in diameter, which will take us multiple days, plus I still have a lot of wood I have to load up and transport to the location I'm loading at on friday
I finished sawing my present job today.....but I didn't. ::)
Yes I finished the customer's cut list sawing a total of 13,451 bf in 7 days.
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Today I broke my last week's daily sawing record with this 3,060 bf of 12' 2X4's & 2X6's shown above. ;D
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I finished the cut list but he still has more logs and this is not nearly all of them. The sawmill will stay while PatD and I make the Project trip and we will resume sawing when I get back home.
I need a break because the last two jobs has totaled 34,599 bf in 19 days sawing. ;D
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Working today and on call for the rest of the weekend. It was a beautiful evening, I haven't done any milling for a few weeks supper wasn't quit ready so I snuck down to the mill and opened up an Elm log that has been laying around. Just thought it was almost as pretty as Walnut.
The bark inclusions, carpenter ant remodeling and little bit of rot/spat give it character. Just wasa pretty evening out and I got a chance enjoy the outdoors and the sunshine and dink around with my mill.
Awesome wood and awesome evening 👍
Quote from: burdman_22 on April 01, 2022, 11:18:05 PMThis little guy was hiding in my sweet gum. Anyone have idea what it turns into?
I am shocked @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) didn't answer your questions. For him it turns into lunch...:D
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Slabbed up a interesting big leaf maple for a customer, sometimes these pretzel type logs can be hassle clamping them. This one went real well and blocking and clamps stayed solid. The lower trunk of tree was loaded with figure they made beautiful slabs ( no pics ) of those.
Apparently occording too customer a tree blew over and rested on this limb and the limb grew around it and back into the tree.
Widest area of these slabs maxed out the Hud-Son 60 at 56"
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This Road Runner piece showed up on the second cut .
Looks pretty awesome!! Always some cool stuff. Glad to see you posting 👍👍
Quote from: Southside on April 02, 2022, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: burdman_22 on April 01, 2022, 11:18:05 PMThis little guy was hiding in my sweet gum. Anyone have idea what it turns into?
I am shocked @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) didn't answer your questions. For him it turns into lunch...:D
Magicman find that picture of what you do with them 😂
Quote from: redbeard on April 03, 2022, 01:29:47 AMSlabbed up a interesting big leaf maple for a customer
As usual, you saw some crazy amazing stuff Jeff. Your customer had to be very plea$ed. :)
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Quote from: Southside on April 02, 2022, 11:24:47 PM
Quote from: burdman_22 on April 01, 2022, 11:18:05 PMThis little guy was hiding in my sweet gum. Anyone have idea what it turns into?
I am shocked @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) didn't answer your questions. For him it turns into lunch...:D
Magicman find that picture of what you do with them 😂
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Different grub/beetle. The one that burdman pictured is a nasty dude. steve_smiley
Does it taste like chicken Magicman?
When I sawed red elm for the first time, I too thought it rivaled walnut for beauty. It was so pretty freshly sawn. The red elm I put in my floor did not look as pretty as when fresh sawn. Perhaps it was because I used waterbased finish and not oil. My planer was not happy planing it either. Maybe it would do better now that I have helical head.
Yeah I wish I could bottle that color up and keep it. Tung oil seems to come as close as anything.
Working on the last of my Osage logs. Only about 10 left(which are more or less fairly straight). Here's the last one I cut. I know some of you might not call it a log... but I do manage ones like this, wider than the mill, on my LT15go. The trick to doing these is to get the first flat face so it can then reference on the mill cross bars.
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Love the pictures!! You are getting me jacked to get into my Osage!!
Load after load, Timber frame almost done. 8)
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Giving a bid for one more today. :P
Must have been fun loading beams in that side rail trailer.
Quote from: Magicman on March 31, 2022, 08:35:04 PM
I may have broken a daily sawing record for me today sawing framing lumber. :o
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2688 bf of 16 foot 2X6's and probably a dozen 2X4's. Just me and a 60's customer and a 70's tailgunner. The two college student "stackers" came just as I was leaving at 4:30.
We plan to saw tomorrow and Saturday which will put me in a "git-a-long" getting ready for our Project trip. Due to family commitments we can not leave until next Thursday which will put us there at noon-ish Friday
Lynn, are you sure that you are slowing down? I swear I'm getting tired just LOOKING at your pictures 8).
Quote from: jb616 on April 04, 2022, 11:39:15 AMLynn, are you sure that you are slowing down?
smiley_old_guy I can't allow those 20 something year old tailgunners to see my weakness.
Quote from: Magicman on April 04, 2022, 01:40:31 PM
Quote from: jb616 on April 04, 2022, 11:39:15 AMsmiley_old_guy I can't allow those 20 something year old tailgunners to see my weakness.
I really don't think you have one. None that they will see anyway.
I had a college professor who was known to have said, "Students are made to suffer." when he presented the heavy writing assignments to our class and our class grumbled about the amount of work. He just laughed and we did the work or not. I did it and yes I suffered, but I did it. :D
So I can imagine Magicman's adaptation to my professors statement, "Tailgunners are made to work." :D If they are working hard to keep up, they can't see what they sawyer is doing for the sweat in their eyes. :D :D
My total sawing today consisted of resawing a customer's one 8' long X 16" Wide X 5" thick pine 1 side LE into a 3" thick mantel and a 2" shelf board for a guy I met at the flea market yesterday. It was dry, soft wood and just one cut and I told him no charge and just send me some business in the future.
I don't want it to become habit forming but every once in a while I try to do something nice for someone. :D
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 04, 2022, 08:36:59 PMI don't want it to become habit forming but every once in a while I try to do something nice for someone. :D
Hmmm. You may want to try that with Old Greenhorn :D.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 04, 2022, 08:36:59 PMI don't want it to become habit forming but every once in a while I try to do something nice for someone. :D
Hmmm. You are any to try that with Old Greenhorn :D.
Well, I don't know what you meant to say there Danny, but I think I agree with you. ;D
I love and HATE autocorrect. I went back and put in what I originally typed before the Autocorrect Angel/Demon kicked in.
Quote from: Resonator on April 04, 2022, 10:20:05 AM
Must have been fun loading beams in that side rail trailer.
You can see the green banding on the load. I set units, with the 1044 straps on dunages.
;D
Same here - sling load a lot of customers trailers with sides / fenders / small children / welded to them.
I've finally started milling a large white oak in Athens, AL. We've had several hiccups...but we've managed to get two slabs out of it thus far, as well as a couple neat videos of me using my truck to roll the tree and later roll the top of the tree (after we cut it off).
Family picture below. My dad up top, my younger brother on the left, and me on the right. This was after we'd bucked the top from this chunk of tree and rolled it out of the way with my truck.
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Dad picking up wedges after our first cut.
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Dad after sweeping the first cut. Very promising look at the top of the first slab.
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Dad showing off the top of the second slab.
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Second slab removed...my head is poking over the top in the middle. Skid steer is a bit undersized....my dad and brother had to ride on the back to keep it from tipping over while carrying this slab...for the others we're going to have to back the trailer up beside the log and load one end at a time.
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My brother taking a break after loading the second slab. I'm glad he brought his drone along, it has made photography much easier and enabled us all three to be in shots together!
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Looks like you had fun and came away with some treasures.
I hear there is a sawmill around here somewhere.
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25 foot long. 38 inches at the butt. I rolled it off the trailer. I tried to lift one end and drag it with the tractor. I could not lift one end.
I cut it into two 12.5 foot pieces. Was able to grapple the smaller log and haul it to the stack. The big one I had to drag. The grapple could not curl it all the way. Really too large a diameter for the grapple. Lord, I miss my telehandler.
hugs, Brandi
38" Butt. Welcome to my world Brandi, but thankfully you have a wide. 8)
@burdman_22 "Second slab removed...my head is poking over the top in the middle. Skid steer is a bit undersized....my dad and brother had to ride on the back to keep it from tipping over while carrying this slab...for the others we're going to have to back the trailer up beside the log and load one end at a time."
Careful doing that, I watched a video of a person doing that when they slipped off, fell down and the rear of the vehicle they were trying to hold down dropped on top of them. Didn't end well.
Quote from: Magicman on April 06, 2022, 08:09:26 AM
38" Butt. Welcome to my world Brandi, but thankfully you have a wide. 8)
Lynn,
I bibbyed all around the big end, about a foot up, to fit on my wide mill. I think it will go now. Got an order for fifty 1x12x8s. Thinking about bucking the big one down to 8 foot. I should get all 50 out of it.
hugs, Brandi
Started on another cedar order this afternoon.
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Customer wants 125 2x4x12s and 500' of 1x6s.
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bm-22,
Those are some awful pretty slabs but I would not want to be the guy moving them around. :D And that poor guy in the red shirt in the middle looks like he has been tied up and tortured and the guys on the end are fixing to roll that big slab over on him and squash him like a bug if he doesn't give up the information that they want. :D :D
I need to give a shout out to Christian and Pat from WM service team who came by yesterday and did my bi-annual (? - Every other year) factory service and alignment on my mill. They were very professional and showed me some normal wear areas to keep watching and I was very well pleased with their workmanship. We finished just as the rain tried to set in. Now I just need to go saw up a bunch of stock I have on the yard.
Would love suggestions from folks on where to start with pricing....I dont even know how to get an idea of a ballpark figure. I know different folks will pay different things, but when people ask I dont even have anything I can tell them. I've had two local people ask as well as the CEO of a company in Ohio that makes conference tables. They are who id rather sell to, as I know they have the equipment to handle them...kilns, flattened, etc...but he wants a figure and I dont know where to start :(
QuoteWould love suggestions from folks on where to start with pricing....I dont even know how to get an idea of a ballpark figure. I know different folks will pay different things, but when people ask I dont even have anything I can tell them. I've had two local people ask as well as the CEO of a company in Ohio that makes conference tables. They are who id rather sell to, as I know they have the equipment to handle them...kilns, flattened, etc...but he wants a figure and I dont know where to start
My opinion fresh off the mill price should be less than kiln dried slab price. Be sure to figure the cost of transporting them also. If it hadn't been said already, make sure to seal the ends. Take good pictures of grain, and notes on widest size also. Huge tables are a "statement" piece and if there is a "wow" factor to the appearance, you can ask more because of it. I would also price them a little high, you can always negotiate down with a customer, very difficult to go back up. Oh and lift with the forks, not the back. ;D
I use my BF dimensional pricing as a start. Measure width each and end middle and average x length x thickness to establish slab general price. Then I make additions or subtractions, based on quality.
All my slabs are kiln dried and surfaced, so that is part of the baseline BF calcs, but generally not optional. I tell customers that green slabs are like purchase a cow's rump, when you want to have steak for dinner. ;D
At the circle mill we normally cut pine construction lumber from 8-16ft. Yesterday we sawed 8x8x25ft and 8x10x27ft larch beams for a timber frame. Trying to not make a habit of it ;D
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on April 08, 2022, 10:05:00 AM
my bi-annual (? - Every other year) factory service and alignment on my mill.
biennial :)
Just mentioning this because I think it is a handy word to have in the toolbox.
Thanks for the correction. I did not think I was using the correct term. ;)
Now I wonder why American English does not incorporate the use of a Fortnight more often and why we don't use more $2 bills. :D
QuoteThey were very professional and showed me some normal wear areas to keep watching
What specific wear areas do they recommend to watch?
One specific area I had not paid much attention too was my rollers. They lifted the head with a bar and I could see a small groove starting in them. It is not affecting anything yet and looks to be a very easy changeout when the time comes.
He also used a combination square that sat better on the rails to measure the blade height when checking/adjusting the blade tilt and tooth height. He measured from the bottom of the tooth to get his marks while I had always measured from the back side of my band. It wall works out when you adjust the pointer on your scale but his technique was more stable and accurate to read.
I'd lost a couple of spacer on my last roller change a few hours ago which had my roller loose and a point of concern and the first thing they fixed.
If you have never used them I highly recommend getting on their route as it is educational and a confidence builder your mill is adjusted and running right.
Thanks for the info. smiley_thumbsup
I don't think they ran a service loop in my area during the pandemic, (I would usually would get a card in the mail when they are scheduling). My mill will be 5 years old this year, definitely would like to get it checked over for wear.
Quote from: mudfarmer on April 09, 2022, 10:20:30 AM
At the circle mill we normally cut pine construction lumber from 8-16ft. Yesterday we sawed 8x8x25ft and 8x10x27ft larch beams for a timber frame. Trying to not make a habit of it ;D
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Nice operation💪
Resonator,
You can go to the WM home page and under services they list the service loop schedule and I don't see WI on there this year. I am sure you can contact them and get on their list. How far are you from your nearest dealer? As I remember they will do the same thing and you can save a mileage fee if close enough. So another option is schedule with them to have them do one.
Here's another 500' of Cedar going out tomorrow. Got another order for 700' to start on. Won't get it all done tomorrow, but if I can get 4-500' it will be a good start.
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Quote from: mudfarmer on April 09, 2022, 10:20:30 AM
At the circle mill we normally cut pine construction lumber from 8-16ft. Yesterday we sawed 8x8x25ft and 8x10x27ft larch beams for a timber frame. Trying to not make a habit of it ;D
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smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup nice setup.
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So some random events transpired ???and I ended up trading some poor/(a few good) quality cedar 4x4s for landscape edging for maybe 1500 board ft of Cotton Wood for some dimensional lumber for the barn project.
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Two good straight logs 18ft and top log will give about a ten ft before a crotch and a bend. I will end up quartering the biggest. Split the big butt log, as I didn't have enough loader to handle it whole.
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I used up all my stock siding and framing on my last little composting toilet so I got out and sawed 5-6 of these little spruce logs today. Picture shows first load and I got another later. All told I got 51 3/4" X 8" boards or enough to side 2 more toilets/shed, 30 3" battens and a handful of 4' 2X4 & 2X6's. About 318 bf in a little over 2 hours. No speed records but steady and I'm happy with the wood. I guess I cut 60-70% of what I had in spruce and will finish it in one more session. I need to cut another poplar tree and cut some tops to make some more 2X4 for framing and one small order.
Ended up with about 1000 bf useable cottonwood out of the load, took the stick to it and measured after I trimmed them to length this evening . Still will work out well. :)
Looks like some nice logs there Nebraska. Is the project repair work from the storm or adding on?
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I decided to finish up this spruce I recently got from my next door neighbor. A couple looked more like fence posts.
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I sawed it for my composting toilet sheds and got 3/4" siding, 8/4 framing and 1/2" battens. I even saved several 2X2 edgings as I can use it on making the doors so there was not a lot of waste.
With yesterday's sawing I have enough on hand for more than 3 sheds and framing for about one.
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I guess this band is probably not going to make it to resharp is it? ::) I could feel it was struggling but I was going to finish that last cut of 3/4" X 8" wide siding and probably edge the 3 last 8/4 flitches. First time I ever had one break into multiple pieces. I figure if it was that far gone it likely would have broken after the next sharpening anyway.
Congrats on the two-for-one blade. :o
I had one that broke into three pieces that we found anyway. One piece was not much larger than a quarter and landed at the bystander's feet. There is a picture of it on here somewhere but I ain't looking today.
Quote from: Southside on April 10, 2022, 11:37:07 PM
Looks like some nice logs there Nebraska. Is the project repair work from the storm or adding on?
Well some of both actually. I need to be cloned, this being short of help thing is getting old. Wish I could've come south for the weekend gathering...@Southside
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Free Cypress Trees
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Came out with some nice lumber, headed for the IDRY.
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Where would we be without Mr. Lynn, I was working alone and this was my helper.
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Back at the coast again.
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About 15-20 hrs since the Kubota diesel install. Really happy with the swap!
Quote from: Log Dawg on April 12, 2022, 10:20:15 AMWhere would we be without Mr. Lynn, I was working alone and this was my helper.
Thank You. Yes it is smart to utilize all of our available hydraulics. thumbs-up
Cjross73,
I'm intrigued by your backhoe. I see 6 hoses on the stinger. I figure two for the bucket and two for the thumb. It doesn't seem to be an "extenda hoe" - so what are the other two hoses for?
Guessing the hydraulics are for attachments like a breaker hammer, plate compactor, flail mower, etc.
I can only wish the excavator was mine. They are for aux attachments. This one runs a fecon mulcher I believe
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Just cleaning up around the yard a bit and to fill a small order for 20 poplar 2X4X8. The first 2 logs were off the top of a tree I cut yesterday and the other was from several I cut last Fall.
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More from last Fall. Even the 4' made 3 short 2X4s I'll use on my outhouse builds so not much waste.
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Order filled on the end and a few 2X4, 2X2 and 1X4 on the other end and shorties underneath. About 191 bf when all said and done.
My son came over and we got two big loads of walnut from a friend 8-9 miles away. No pix yet but I'll try to get some tomorrow. Lots were small and will only make bench legs and such but several really pretty butt logs He warned me to watch the sides next to his house as his dad used to shoot squirrels out of them. Should not be much below the sap wood.
A week ago the WM service team came and did a complete factory alignment on my mill. One of the first things they found was my debarker only has one tooth left. I should have just told them "Well, this is WV."
I guess I better get another one of those.
Oh Wow, I should have retired sooner. ::) I just looked at a job that I will begin sawing sometime in May. Forty 16' logs; that measured 16" to 28" top end with the average easily being 22".
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I saw these when I drove up.
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This is the second whack that I saw and it got better. :o
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Yup I rounded the curve and...
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Yikes!! That is approximately 14Mbf to be sawn into mostly framing lumber with some 1X10 siding.
This customer was referred to me by the customer that I just sawed over 21Mbf for.
MM,
I'm assuming that is your SYP that you are always slicing up. Regarding the light center and darker outer layer - How long does a log have to sit to get like that? What will the resulting boards look like - blue stain? If stained, does it go into what appears to be untouched center?
The lighter colored center is actually the darkest portion of the log end. The outside sapwood is normally much lighter colored and is richer with pitch so the sugars are responding to being exposed to oxygen and growing mildew. There should not be any 'blue stain" here, but it does not matter either way.
How many times a year do you rejoin the 100,000 board foot club? :D
Rejoining is not a problem, it's paying the dues with my tired old self. smiley_old_guy
This is surely among the best quality logs that I have ever seen. I did not see knotty nor off pith centered logs so they should saw very well. They are also clean. :)
Lot of heartwoood in those logs. Going to make the finest lumber.
Those are great logs, MM. You are going to make some tail gunners earn their keep when you start sawing those.
I will definitely be excited to dig into them but I have to finish the job that I stopped before the Project. The customer works in the New Mexico "Oil Patch" 2 weeks on and two weeks off. He will be back in on the 19th and maybe we can finish him this time. After that, I have a couple of 1-2 day jobs to saw.
Thankfully my customers are very patient and they all know that when I do get there, I am theirs until all of their logs are sawn. If we have to skip a week or whatever the sawmill stays there until we are done. :)
Sadly logs like that are truly a rarity around these parts.
Been sawing 1x12s again for bee hives. I now have 3 bee hive customers.
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I now have two customers bringing me logs. Here are his 14 foot 2x6s.
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I had my taxes done two weeks ago. My CPA said there is no charge. My jaw dropped. He then said he wanted my scraps and slabs to build his kids a fort and start their chicken coop.
He was flabbergasted when I gave him this pile...........
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hugs, Brandi
I took the backhoe off of my tractor so I could use the landplane in helping out with the sawmill shed pad. But I miss the weight of the backhoe. I don't like curling a log off of a trailer and getting that "my butt is floating" feeling.
So I cut a Red oak down to 9 feet and squared in up to a 15 inch square. My calculations and the seat of my pants say the landplane now weighs about what the backhoe does.
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Do Y'all think the shipping straps will keep tight enough so the cant doesn't move? At first I was going to use ratchet straps, but those always need tightening in our damp air.
hugs, Brandi
I think they'll hold. The polyester strapping is pretty tough. It's what I just got for my mill. My hoe weighs 2,000 pounds. I have to be very careful without it on, even with other implements on. I was going to put a weight bracket off a tractor on my box blade, but suitcase weights are $1-1.50 a pound these days.
Short chain with a chain binder would hold it too, I'd think.
Estimate the red oak timber about 170 bdft weighs 800 - 900 lbs.
Notch out the timber at the ends so it cannot slip sideways should help to fasten it down too.
Good idea, Brandi. 8) I think it will work just fine!
Quote from: Dave Shepard on April 13, 2022, 06:20:29 PMHow many times a year do you rejoin the 100,000 board foot club?
You made me go to the book :P and take a look. I have sawn 64,531bf in 3 months of sawing which certainly is not what you professionals saw but I guess 20Mbf+ per month ain't too bad.
I only have two of what I consider "large" jobs (over a week) on the schedule so hopefully I will be able to either slow down or preferably quit sawing when hot weather gets here smiley_sweat_drop
Majicman is going to slow down, didn't we hear that before ? say_what
Quote from: beenthere on April 14, 2022, 01:38:54 AM
Short chain with a chain binder would hold it too, I'd think.
Estimate the red oak timber about 170 bdft weighs 800 - 900 lbs.
Notch out the timber at the ends so it cannot slip sideways should help to fasten it down too.
I guesstimated in my head 180 bd ft to hit 936 pounds.
Chains tear up paint. The center straps are crossed under a 4 inch square pipe.
Notching would take up sawing time. Besides, I am too slow to be Tokyo drifting around turns.
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: stanwelch on April 14, 2022, 06:23:42 AM
Good idea, Brandi. 8) I think it will work just fine!
Thanks SW!
hugs, Brandi
a little dab of boiled linseed oil, and you will be right up town. :) Bindian. knuckle bumps! Doc
Quite a bit of ambrosia in this red maple.
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Quote from: doc henderson on April 14, 2022, 12:53:09 PM
a little dab of boiled linseed oil, and you will be right up town. :) Bindian. knuckle bumps! Doc
Hey Doc!
I am not sure where you are saying I should put the boiled linseed oil....???
hugs, Brandi
oh sorry. that beautiful red oak cant on the land plane. you will be stylin! 8) 8) 8)
Quote from: doc henderson on April 14, 2022, 08:11:31 PM
oh sorry. that beautiful red oak cant on the land plane. you will be stylin! 8) 8) 8)
Doc,
No worries. Should I put linseed oil or tung on it, to get it to last longer? I'm thinking just keep it dry and off the ground will do.
Once I get the sawmill shed pad finished I will remove it and the landplane and 3PH arms and reinstall the backhoe. I am seeing that a fixed weight is a lots better feeling then the weight swinging on the 3PH arms.
hugs, Brandi
as usual I was just joshing with you. I am sure whatever you do, it will be the best. Maybe it can be re-sawn later. cheers! Doc.
Quote from: doc henderson on April 14, 2022, 11:20:32 PM
as usual I was just joshing with you. I am sure whatever you do, it will be the best. Maybe it can be re-sawn later. cheers! Doc.
Doc,
You're right. ;) It can be re-sawn later. :) Into firewood. :D I have more Red oak then I know what to do with.
You can come off so innocent and mean what you say, then you can just be joshing. ::) Sometimes I can't tell. ??? So I ask. :-\ It's on like Donkey Kong! :snowball:
hugs, Brandi ;)
OK. I thought it looked great (no kidding). some would have strapped a gangly old, crooked log on there and look like junk. the finish would take it to the next level. with all due respect, I am just treating you just like any other friend I have made on the forum (no kidding). Best regards, Doc.
Went over to see a repeat customer 27 miles away and sawed about 1430 bf of mostly oak. One old ash slipped in by mistake and a few tulip poplar logs for his neighbors/customers. It was good to see him again and we had beautiful weather. His logs seemed to range from 12" dia with a split to 30" gnarly oak. His were mostly 5/4 X 6" fence boards or 2X8 floor joists. His customers got 1" boards mostly 10-12 inches wide.
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5/4 X 6" oak fence boards and a few 2X6's
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10" 4/4 ash boards we first thought were oak till I opened it up. I mush have been down a while as it does not appear to be EAB killed.
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More longer fence boards, 2X8 floor joists and some 2X4 edged off wide flitches.S
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Shorter floor joists.
Quote from: doc henderson on April 15, 2022, 02:44:29 PM
OK. I thought it looked great (no kidding). some would have strapped a gangly old, crooked log on there and look like junk. the finish would take it to the next level. with all due respect, I am just treating you just like any other friend I have made on the forum (no kidding). Best regards, Doc.
Thanks Doc. But it's still on. :snowball:
hugs, Brandi
:snowfight1: :snowball: :snowfight1: :snowball:
I'll start with this, I spent some time over the last couple weeks realigning things on my mill.
of course the first log ruined my day, a band and a chain in my chainsaw
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After getting that took care of I am glad to say the mill is cutting better than I have had it. nice and smooth.
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Then I needed a couple more long 6x6 beams for my deck project.
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so I maxed the mill out on length
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there was just a little tension when i made my last cut, 2 of them stayed straighter
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My neighbor gave me a Pecan that had fallen down. this was something different for me.
I had more pitch/sawdust buildup on the blade than anything else I have sawn.
pretty boards
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20 foot 3x10 beams.
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hugs, Brandi
Getting ready to tackle this Fools Gold carrot 🥕 that needs to be trimmed to get through the 35" throat but I got it leveled up 😂. I'm thinking the shake in it is going to be just fine to come apart for turning it into Gold. Epoxy in between the places that come apart so instead of a 28" slab it can be a very unique 40" wide table.
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It's not leveled in the picture
Quote from: cutterboy on April 14, 2022, 04:18:07 PM
Quite a bit of ambrosia in this red maple.
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Eye candy
Fools gold from my leased land next door is what it is! From what I cut into so far between the shake and sap wood that's wider than the gold it's a horror story 😂. The epoxy plan with the shake was expected but not the sap or the way the shake ran 😂
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I know the mill yards a mess ;)
First off a over loaded log truck went threw one off my 5ft culverts.
Been Sawing lots of big white pine for barn and shed projects.
Clear and select 5/4 poplar to send to the kiln then sell.
Grade stakes for the golf course, 3 dirt contractors and the city of Lebanon.
For a quick repair on the culvert I'm going to make (2) 8"×4'x20' hemlock mats to bridge the opening till I come up with a permanent solution.
That's going to cost me some money.
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and can't for get the best sawmill dog Smiley
Your mill yard looks productive and not messy at all. Glad to see you are cranking out the work and have orders!
The culvert collapse is a real bummer. Guess it needed to be deeper? Yeah, it won't be an easy fix, but it is fixable. Hopefully you can fix it better than it was.
Keep on hammerin' man, you've got it all going on!
I've seen yards a lot worse. ;)
Guessing that was a metal culvert? I replaced mine a couple years ago and went with heavy double wall plastic. It was an investment, but they will never rust. When I cover a culvert with a "swamp mat", I bevel the end corners 45° to ease the transition, and then grade gravel up to the ends.
When you replace that culvert you should consider going back with double 42" pipes instead of a single 60" . That way you get 18" more cover over it.
The culverts are 2 old in ground fuel tanks 5 ft in diameter 12' long.
The water got high this spring and I think washed out some of the material around it.
My road was a haul road they built when they put interstate 89 in Grantham and Springfield.
The road went 10 miles to an area with big sand and gravel pits.
I don't know if they are original or not.
Well that sucks.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on April 21, 2022, 06:20:29 PM
I know the mill yards a mess ;)
First off a over loaded log truck went threw one off my 5ft culverts.
Been Sawing lots of big white pine for barn and shed projects.
Clear and select 5/4 poplar to send to the kiln then sell.
Grade stakes for the golf course, 3 dirt contractors and the city of Lebanon.
For a quick repair on the culvert I'm going to make (2) 8"×4'x20' hemlock mats to bridge the opening till I come up with a permanent solution.
That's going to cost me some money.
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There are 2 5ft culverts (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/36349/20220421_155555.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1650578911)
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and can't for get the best sawmill dog Smiley
Everything looks pretty good to me 💪 and your helper ❤️
I got a call, a cut list and an advance payment in full for about 1700 bf of tulip poplar from a new customer. Mostly framing and 300 linear ft of 1X4 for nailers for metal roofing. I contacted my sometimes customer and sometimes log provider and took the mill over and sawed about 1800 bf to fill the order and a few extras. I arrived at 7:00 am, we finished at 6:00 pm and I disconnected the mill in my home lot at 7:00 pm. It got warm and my customer/supplier got dehydrated and we barely finished.
This is an arrangement we have used several times and works great for me and he seems happy with it. He cuts the trees off his 400 acre farm, drags them up with his big Kubota tractor and feeds them to the mill then he off-bears and rough stacks the lumber as it comes off the mill. I provide the cut list, sawmill, saw the logs and help him with the heavy slabs or boards and sometimes roll a log on the arms. He is my age and in decent health. At the end of the job I buy the lumber for the order at half the sale price and we basically split the fee.
When finished, the customer comes and picks up his lumber which the supplier loads with his tractor and FEL. I have even helped broker transportation when the customer needed it using other neighbors with trucks and trailers as part of their farm businesses. I did not take a picture of the finished work today but used 6.6 hours on the mill engine, $25.79 worth of gas, 53 miles RT, 3 bands to resharpen and 2 broken ones.
I fill small orders from trees off my property I can cut and pull down with my ATV or small JD tractor but for orders with a lot or with big logs required I call my associate.
I went and picked a few walnut logs from @Osage (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=58852) that he got from his neighbor lady. He helps around her place, and cleans up her woods and makes a little firewood. this was a down tree. i milled a little 4 foot log for him to provide some slabs for his son to make a table.
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this is on the road by his place. he threw in a cedar he had around.
it was great wood, and although I took a few pics, they are not on my phone. we got four 2 inch slabs.... Or did we since I have no pic?... :)
Started another order for cedar 1x6s today.
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Hopefully I can get 800' done by tomorrow afternoon.
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Any chance this is Kentucky coffee?
sawed a bit today. @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) stopped by with a few logs. one ERC and a few Mulberry or Hedge logs. He is not sure. it sawed nice so that vote is for mulberry. @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370)
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Look very closely at a very clean slice of the end grain, like cut with a razor knife. The earlywood pores should be open if mulberry. If osage orange, they will be occluded with tyloses. If you have the ability to take a magnified or high resolution pic of that clean slice, we can solve the mystery. Hopefully you can post such a pic.
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magnified.
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photo
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I do not know what I am looking at.
Some of the black spots in the first pic are earlywood pores. Those are open, and the black is the void of the lumen of the cell. The second pic clearly shows some open pores. Thus, it is mulberry. There would be no open earlywood pores in osage orange. They would be stuffed with tyloses. The medullary rays show up very nicely.
Excellent pics. You get a Wood ID A+. Most times posters asking for wood ID take the pics of the end grain from 75 feet away, and that end grain was sliced with a dull chainsaw chain :).
My favorite ID opportunities are when the poster takes a pic of the whole tree from 400 feet away. "What tree is this?" One that was photographed poorly from 400 feet away ::).
At the next Project I will do a session on the fundamentals of wood identification if there is enough interest.
Oh there is interest :P and I know the exact log that we/you can begin with. :D
I even have a couple of specimens to add to the collection.
interest is high. We work on bark and leaf ID but lack much on the structure of the wood. I have thought about an event here. we have a nature center with many specimens, and @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) has land 1 mile from me and is trying to do TSI. but life has to slow down a bunch before that. What book would be a comprehensive source to start reading Danny?
@WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370) you have done enough, but can you draw on and label what you see on one of the pics?
I looked at the wood data base to compare pics.
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the first two are OA pic and mag. then Mulberry.
The bark is or seems to me to be different also
Quote from: doc henderson on April 24, 2022, 09:29:37 AM
interest is high. We work on bark and leaf ID but lack much on the structure of the wood. I have thought about an event here. we have a nature center with many specimens, and @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) has land 1 mile from me and is trying to do TSI. but life has to slow down a bunch before that. What book would be a comprehensive source to start reading Danny?
I'll be there for the event
Bruce Hoadley wrote a book "Identifying Wood" but I have not read it. He also wrote "Understanding Wood" which is a must read.
I sawed what I seen and I seen what I sawed. 🛖
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And I would say very impressive 👍
Been living in a school bus 9 years.
Sawyer taught me to run his circle mill and turned me loose.
2 elderly friends help me mill the lumber and frame it up.
Donations of windows metal insulation etc.. come flying in.
Asked my wife what kind of house you want.
She smiled and said I wanna live in a barn.🙃
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Hit a couple nice ones this weekend. A curly ambrosia maple and a cat paw cherry. Both produced some lumber that will sell at a nice price. Both would have been graded pallet at a commercial sawmill. Makin' chicken out of chicken s@#$
Been sawing White Oak trailer boards for my log supplier. Full size 2x8s.
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For one reason or another, I had to cut a bowed board's thickness down. I clamped it down and wire both ends to the sawmill frame. Another use for safety wire!
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He also requested 8x8 and 6x6 blocks. I threw in 4x4 blocks. He'll use it to block up and work on heavy equipment.
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hugs, Brandi
Quote from: doc henderson on April 23, 2022, 07:18:13 PM
sawed a bit today. @Cardiodoc (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51488) stopped by with a few logs. one ERC and a few Mulberry or Hedge logs. He is not sure. it sawed nice so that vote is for mulberry. @WDH (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=4370)
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One helpful characteristic that can help separate it from lookalikes such as Mulberry (https://www.wood-database.com/mulberry/)
or Black Locust (https://www.wood-database.com/black-locust/)
(besides being heavier) is that Osage Orange contains a water-soluble yellow dye, so putting shavings into water will turn the water yellow.
Very nice willow bender. smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup smiley_thumbsup
Thanks for the comments.
Have built houses and roofed all my life and never my own.
Finally at 59 and back pain I get to enjoy all the knowledge I've learned.
Will be putting 1/2" hickory veneer from Columbia Wood Products for interior walls of course with some rustic trim and galvanized tin ceiling. 🙂
2 maple logs ready for the mill and some cherry in que. I have been fighting the mud for a while now.
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Brandi,
I like the hold down idea with the screw in the end of the log. I tried ratchet straps but kept sawing them in two. ::) :D
I'm thinking a mod to your idea would be use a screw or staple in the end of the cant and make a loop with the wire or rope and insert a stick or bar and turn it (like tightening braces on fence corners) to tighten it to pull the cant down. When done just pull or the staple of screw which I am sure you did anyway.
How long are your crib blocks? They look real good. (If that is a standard 40" X 48" pallet I'm betting 2' long.) I have had people ask about them on occasion and have never determined a standard length. I made a bunch of 6X6 2' long that I have used for personal use a time or two. (My son bought a used storage building and we used them and some 15' 2X12s to jack it up and lower it later.) I also made a few 3X6 the same length that would not square up to 6" but as you mention you need a few smaller ones in the process too.
Quote from: woodman52 on April 26, 2022, 12:44:30 PM
2 maple logs ready for the mill and some cherry in que. I have been fighting the mud for a while now.
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Nice setup 👍
I sawed 1708bf today which included
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300bf of pecker pole ERC before tackling the oversize Red Oak logs. It looks like I may finish this job tomorrow.
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because I only see three White Oak logs plus that nasty 38" Red Oak on top. I turned it back once but I see that it made it's way back. I just might throw it on the sawmill first and get it over with. :-X
They will all be 2" X live edge.
Osage curse!!!Things didn't go to well!!! The pitch just like the ash was nasty and blade wanted to dive. Tried going slow but just was nasty. I think I will start fresh with a new carbide when I tackle it again . How long will it take for the pitch not being as bad in the log ?
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I run same mill, I run slow diesel drip, have done it for 10 years. Pitch gone, clean blade. I cut tons of syp it does not get much worse.
I say Wheeew!!! I'm glad to finish this job. Nothing was wrong with it and a very good repeat customer, but I am glad to finish for now at least. I will be back to saw forty 10"X10"X12' White Oak posts plus the side lumber but for now the trees are still vertical. :)
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Inside of the last Post Oak log that I sawed. The sap wood was strikingly pretty. Inside it was the normal gray/brown color.
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The customer wanted a "stump" for his anvil.
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The last load of 2"X live edge Oak Slabs. The 12' slabs on the left are Post Oak. Hard...Yeah !!
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Framing lumber drying.
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As seen from the other end of the shed. I sawed a total of 16,675 bf of framing lumber, trailer decking, and live edge slabs. No more sawing for me until at least after May 9th.
Magicman you are nothing but a STUD!!
Making magic! Cranking out logs into lumber!!
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This is a bug hole that is packed with red sawdust.
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Here is another one, there was a grub ( timber shrimp ) in this one. Is this what caused the sawdust to be red ? If so why are none of the other holes red ?
The first picture is a tunnel like a grub makes, I picked a little sawdust out of it.
Probably because it's fresh and they are in there 😂. I've got that kinda stuff on some of the old walnut in the sap wood I've been cutting
Milled some white oak today. Got for slabs total, they are 7 feet wide, 6 ft long, and 3 inches thick. This section was the top of the big white oak log I milled before. This was the section where all of the branches started.
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Here is a couple of pictures of some of the slabs I cut today.
Quote from: burdman_22 on May 01, 2022, 09:00:29 PM
Milled some white oak today. Got for slabs total, they are 7 feet wide, 6 ft long, and 3 inches thick. This section was the top of the big white oak log I milled before. This was the section where all of the branches started.
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Nice 👍. What are your plans or doing with that big of slabs? What slabber do you have ?
Quote from: Walnut Beast on May 01, 2022, 10:54:55 PM
Quote from: burdman_22 on May 01, 2022, 09:00:29 PM
Milled some white oak today. Got for slabs total, they are 7 feet wide, 6 ft long, and 3 inches thick. This section was the top of the big white oak log I milled before. This was the section where all of the branches started.
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Nice 👍. What are your plans or doing with that big of slabs? What slabber do you have ?
My only plans for anything I cut is to sell it, haha. I'm not a woodworker. Don't have the patience or skill for it. I would imagine they would make nice tables though, they grain in them is pretty gnarly. I use a chainsaw mill for all of my milling. I have an MS-880 with an 84 inch bar, coupled with a Granberg
Quote from: burdman_22 on May 01, 2022, 09:00:29 PM
Milled some white oak today. Got for slabs total, they are 7 feet wide, 6 ft long, and 3 inches thick. This section was the top of the big white oak log I milled before. This was the section where all of the branches started.
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I know that is a lot of work. But it is exciting to see those monster slabs.
hugs, Brandi
I'll be unloading them today or tomorrow, ill try to stand them up and take better pictures then
It IS a lot of work, thanks Brandi!
Quote from: burdman_22 on May 02, 2022, 08:03:34 AM
It IS a lot of work, thanks Brandi!
Burdman, do you do any mobile sawing or only at your place? Sorry if this has already been mentioned and I missed it.
Quote from: KenMac on May 02, 2022, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: burdman_22 on May 02, 2022, 08:03:34 AM
It IS a lot of work, thanks Brandi!
Burdman, do you do any mobile sawing or only at your place? Sorry if this has already been mentioned and I missed it.
Brandi, I always mill wherever the log is. I dont have anything large enough to move logs the size I mess with.
And yes I do some mobile sawing. Sometimes for myself, and sometimes for customers. I've had customers wanting slabs and customers wanting logs broke down into cants small enough to get on a mill.
2x6x17
2x4x9
SYP
6 or 7 time repeat customer
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Hadn't shared a picture of the stack of slabs I got out of that huge white oak yet, so I took a few minutes to pose for a picture....unfortunately the starter went out on my truck, so my most recent slabs are sitting on a trailer in my driveway still. And....anyone wanna count the rings on this tree? I'm curious about how old it is...but not curious enough to count the rings, haha
Balsam fir 4x4x16 this morning then Starting a order of 1 5/8 × 9 5/8 ×18 hemlock roof rafter order.
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Quote from: burdman_22 on May 04, 2022, 12:35:32 AMAnd....anyone wanna count the rings on this tree? I'm curious about how old it is...but not curious enough to count the rings, haha
If the rings are fairly uniform in size, I'll just count how many in an inch and then estimate based on radius of the log.
I think that will get you pretty close.
Here is an a'peeling photo from yesterday's activities. The boss hard at it.
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Quote from: burdman_22 on May 02, 2022, 09:47:45 PM
Quote from: KenMac on May 02, 2022, 08:47:37 PM
Quote from: burdman_22 on May 02, 2022, 08:03:34 AM
It IS a lot of work, thanks Brandi!
Burdman, do you do any mobile sawing or only at your place? Sorry if this has already been mentioned and I missed it.
Brandi, I always mill wherever the log is. I dont have anything large enough to move logs the size I mess with.
And yes I do some mobile sawing. Sometimes for myself, and sometimes for customers. I've had customers wanting slabs and customers wanting logs broke down into cants small enough to get on a mill.
I didn't ask that question. KenMac is the one confusing you. :D After all your hard work, I gather it is easy to do. ;)
hugs, Brandi
Jim, I know you have talked about it, but what is the grapple you have on your cat.
Nothing like having a good "boss" helping at the sawmill or anything else for that matter! I couldn't do what I do without my "boss".
A friend and fellow firefighter brought out about 9 nice cedar logs to mill yesterday. He wanted it all sawn into 4" thick material that he will use to make foot bridges across ditches on his property. This is the second time he has done this. These are some photos he took.
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Sawed some white pine this weekend.
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This was the biggest diameter log that I've had on the mill to date. 31" on the small end and 34" on the big end. Gave my new winch a workout
A friend scored some decent hemlock from his work. We sawed out 798 feet in just over an hour and a half. Just in time for mother's day.
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Working on an order of 1 5/8 × 9 5/8 × 18 hemlock
It was a good delivery of hemlock logs
Lots of orders a head of us.
Built garden bed all day yesterday, they are selling fast.
Grade stakes to the city , dirt contractors and golf course.
All with record diesel prices $6.25 a gallon. Sorry for the messy mill yard
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Another saw milling weekend wraps up.
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Had some nice white and red oak logs I didn't have any special plans for and my brother in-law needed to top boards for the bed of his dump truck (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/68995/E1833DA3-6E9F-4285-A8CD-81064BC7B5EC.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1652064660)
I took him these two white oak 2x12s and he said they were way to nice to get all beat up on a dump truck.I told him to put them on.Just be sure to tell where he got them.Probably the best advertising I can get. :laugh:
Patrick, isn't that white pine just a joy to saw? I love white pine👍
Bruno, please don't apologize for your log yard. It looks 10x better than mine!😬😁
I am really surprised at that white pine. Here that stuff will have 1" growth rings and 6" knots.
Quote from: barbender on May 08, 2022, 11:27:47 PM
Patrick, isn't that white pine just a joy to saw? I love white pine👍
Bruno, please don't apologize for your log yard. It looks 10x better than mine!😬😁
They did saw nice. A couple of the smaller (20") logs had a lot of pitch that gave me some trouble until I sprayed a little diesel on the blade. No problem after I figured that out. These were the first white pine I've ever sawn.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on May 08, 2022, 07:55:29 PM
All with record diesel prices $6.25 a gallon.
I'm sorry for the high cost of diesel for y'all depending on it to make a living.
Got Shake? :D
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Sawed this log 1 week or so ago. I saw the shake and decided I could only contain it to two of the 2x4's I was cutting, so I split the pith right down the center. I hit that center pretty well, but lost track of the other stick. It may have gone right to the OWB, I don't recall. This one made it to the shop, but not into the project. It fell apart on it's own today as I was using it for a temp shim.
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I have to admit, it's a might nice finish on the out side of that 'half round dowel'. Wish I could think of some gizmo or ornament to make out of it.
I actually thought it was a table leg at first.
Natures lathe.
Well, anybody wanna guess what I was sawing today?
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Yeah, I put up that small ERC log, only 8'+trim. But I could get used to seeing this:
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I got a bit over 20BF out of it, not really much. Still, for me, it's very neat wood. I even kept the slabs and may make chips out of them for 'something or other'. The boards are stickered in my swamp storage building out of the sun. Should dry quick.
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Something different besides pine 2x8's anyway. Tomorrow I need to make a load of 2x8x20' and 14' hemlock.
Whacked. Stacked. Gone. 18'
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Now I've got to deal with this little pile of 18' edger boards. Seriously considering just throwing these back on the mill and let the hydraulics help me.
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No pictures but my body and wallet feel like it happened. I drove to my many times repeat customer and sometimes log/lumber supplier and sawed 1,036 by for tulip poplar with a little cherry thrown in mostly for framing and resawed some dry 8" poplar beams we sawed a couple years ago into 6/4 X8" boards for a rebuild project. Not breaking any speed records but the roughly 1100 bf took 5.6 engine hours and just over 5 gallons of gas. It was nice weather and good to visit with friends again.
First shipment of wood off to Kentucky...unfortunately I wasn't able to get all of my wood in one load...debating whether to just sell all of my leftover stuff for cheap here in alabama, or pay to ship another load to Kentucky. For scale, the big slabs on back are 16 ft long and 4 inches thick.
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I got a call yesterday afternoon @ 1:15; "can you saw some Red Oak logs for me"? Yup, I loaded up and took a drive where the customer was clearing up some storm downed trees. My customer is seen on the right in the background and a friend getting firewood on the left.
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I did not saw the first log at the mill nor the last one in the lineup. Rotten.
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But I did slab all of the others into 6/4 with two 26" wide X 13/4. All were ~8'. 40 slabs in all which will be benches, shelves, & counter tops in his new home.
1600bf and I was back at home at 6:15 with a bit of jingle in my pocket. :)
Jungle or jingle?
First log of the day. Thought it was picture worthy. 12x19x16
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Sure don't seem to be very many knots in that 12x19x16!
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Well, I got a before but no after pictures. These were old barely 8' White Pine logs I mostly cut into 8/4 LE slabs for the customer to take back to Oklahoma to make benches out of. Behind are a few RO logs and behind the building were 5-6 Cedar posts about 6' long that yielded 4"-7" wide boards. The upper logs were full of worm holes but surprisingly the butt logs were pretty clear. They had been down since last Summer or Fall.
Nothing over 8' long. 3.5 hours on the engine, 1618 bf. About 6 hours total hours on the site which was 39 miles away. 3.1 gallons of gas used in the 25 hp Kohler. 2.5 4* WM DH blades used. Started just after 7:00 am, finished by about 1:00 pm. Very happy customers. Lady there "supervised" most of the work and drove the truck to move some logs a time or two. Her husband and brother were the customers. I met them last year at one of my flea market jaunts. A long time for making an ROI but that is common. The guy in front said last year he took logs home and had them sawed there by a non-portable miller. We loaded 816 bf on his trailer for his return trip to Oklahoma. Both were very happy and good workers although not familiar with the work. The cedar were small and I just did through and through cuts at 1-1/4" (1-1/8" boards) then edged them in 1" drops till the sides were mostly clear and the customer was very happy with that process for his use.
Oh BTW - this put me over 200K bf by the end of the job. No MM but if I live to be 176 I might catch him.
Actually your sawing rate and production was very comparable to my yesterday's sawing. Mine was only ~3 miles away.
My tomorrow's job is exceptional in every way. ;D
Well looks like you had a good day Howard, easy milling and some change in your pocket Can't get much better unless you landed on a rare log, but they don't happen often, at least not to me.
I had a full long day at the mill today 8:30 to 6pm. Larger order for 2x8x20', a bunch of them in Hemlock. The client was there to help with off-loading and slab handling. I could not lift those by myself and navigating with them on the forks is dang near impossible in our space. So I was very happy for the help, in fact I would not have done it alone.
Hemlock can be a fickly mistress. First log was OK, had some sweep challenges, but the second log up had issues. I nice long fairly straight log on the outside, should have been easy, but holy cow the stresses in that thing boggled the mind. I kept flipping trying to mill the stress out and even lost one board in the process. The cant ends kept lifting up or side sweep, everything but twist. The entire cant would lift up, either in the center or at both ends depending on the flip side. I used the clamp to pull it down when I could. Most came off with side sweep. This one had a little energy it released when I broke out the far end.
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Maybe you can't see it well in that photo. The board snapped up off the cant with enough energy to bounce when it landed. It made both the tailgunner and me jump at the same time. :D Slightly better angle:
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There is also more then 6" of bow in that board. We cut it in half and if you stand in the center of the bow, a 200# adult can't make that bow go flat. Most boards off that log had bow or sweep. Fortunately they are being used for planting frames for a small farm, so there is a little latitude.
Near the end of the day there was a squeaking noise we heard all day getting louder when I moved the mill head up and down. Finally when we decided to quit for the day we pulled the covers and found the noise coming from what is apparently a brake on the up/down gearbox. Seemed like it was installed with a bit of misalignment/side tension. I tweaked the alignment and the sound got a lot better. In the meantime Bill went up to the shop and called WM and came back after I tweaked it and said "Yeah it's a brake, run it until it fails, we'll pick up another one at Boonville". So after posting this I will go check the WM drawings and see if I can figure out more. It it wasn't such a pain to get those dang covers off I think I would open that brake can up and see what the real deal is inside. I won't wait until Boonville in August. ;D
Only about 800 BF for the day, not much, but I am pooped. Tomorrow should be an easy day, just a bunch of 7' 2x8's and then a different order for live edge hemlock 1x material ( a repeat order). Think I'll be in bed before 10 tonight.
Tom,
Can you spell TENSION. After cutting that beast I'd look it up. :D I hate cutting them like that where the slab or flitch jumps off the cant. Was there that much obvious sweep in the log before you started cutting? Was the pith noticeably off center? Those are the first indicators I usually see.
As to a rare log I probably had a couple of them today. They were some type of red oak but not sure exactly which species. They were about 18" diameter and rock solid with no sign of any heart checking. I see that in softwoods sometimes but seldom in hardwoods. I cut most of them into wide, LE 8/4 slabs and they were pretty pieces of wood.
Big waves!
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Got a bunch of big tornado pin oak logs in. I've been sawing 4/4 with a 8" X 8" post from the cob. Started in on this one and heard a little rhythm something, like when you know the band has a crack. Stopped and looked the band over. No sign of cracks and didn't see any evidence of a metal strike on the teeth. Band was sawing perfect prior to this one cut and I hadn't heard any zings. It was getting dull on the first re-sharp. Thought I could fix it by re-setting and sharpening....maybe....second thought was throw it in the scrap pile. It hit the scrap pile.
Quote from: Deese on May 11, 2022, 09:10:25 AM
First log of the day. Thought it was picture worthy. 12x19x16
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Impressive cant AND shop. I count 6 fans - are there more? :o Air must be clean and breezy.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 11, 2022, 09:34:35 PM
Tom,
Can you spell TENSION. After cutting that beast I'd look it up. :D I hate cutting them like that where the slab or flitch jumps off the cant. Was there that much obvious sweep in the log before you started cutting? Was the pith noticeably off center? Those are the first indicators I usually see........
Nope, not a thing. In fact the one that really popped was a nice straight log. Pith right down the middle. I did have one log in the bunch of 5 that had a wobble 2/3's of the way down the stem and for a minute I thought I set my opening cuts wrong and lost a lot of good yield, but when I got to the 3rd side realized I pretty much nailed it. Accidents happen. Most of those logs showed some crook in the boards, about 3/4" over 20'. I have had the ends come up like a banana many times before and I find the stress usually pulls toward the bark, this one was just 'a lot different'.
And yeah, you can get some nice wood from some apparently unremarkable logs sometimes.
Well, we don't allow duplicate posts here on these forums, but tis one could equally fit in the "Did Something Dumb Today" thread. However I chose to put it here as we frequently have discussions started by newer sawyers regarding incinsistent board thickness and things of that sort which get traced, eventually, back to stress in the log. The path between the symptom and the solution is sometimes painful and entails a lot of looking for all kinds of problems with one's mill and rechecking a lot of the setup. I admit, I thought at first I had a mill problem, probably with the head transducer and the Accu-set, but it didn't take me long to figure out.
I was doing "one side live edge" for siding. I made a D-log and all I had to do was 'mill to bed' at 4/4. So easy even a male engineer could do it. Just a 12' log, so I was pretty much on auto-pilot going through the motions ripping away. About halfway down the cant I felt something wasn't quite right and the board thicknesses were not quite consistent. I kept looking at the accuset. It was indicating it was in the right place, but look at the end of the log:
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Again, just to be clear, each of these boards was cut at the correct height to yield 4/4 boards all the way down.
This is on an LT50, running the ACCUSET is 'saw to bed' mode at 4/4 for anyone keeping track. I'll not bore you with the details, but what was happening here was the front end of the cant was lifting up and dropping down with each successive board cut as the stresses in the log changed. I had been keeping and eye on it...sort of... but apparently not close enough. The front end of the boards were all over the map from 5/8 to 1-1/4 thick for a distance of about 30" and the rest of the length was fine.
Now full confession: I thought, when I got down to around that 7" mark on the tape I had a serious problem with the accuset and since it was only hemlock I thought the whole log was wasted, so I just ran it out completely disgusted. It was after I shut it down and started to investigate that I realized what had actually happened. I am not really happy with this run of Hemlock I am working on, but I think it is done for now.
After re-sawing a couple of boards and trimming a few others I managed to come up with just exactly what the order called for and only a couple of feet more.
So hopefully this will stick in someone's head and be recalled when it proves useful to them. I feel pretty dumb for not seeing it for what it was the moment it was happening. I should know better by now.
In other news, I finished off the 2x8 hemlock order just before the above mishap and texted the customer on my way home that they were done. About 2 hours later he picked them up with a trailer and then stopped at my place on the way out to give me a $50.00 tip which I tried hard to refuse but he explained that it wasn't from him, it was from his end client who was pleased to get the lumber so fast. The client insisted that the sawyer get a tip even though I never even met him. Nice fella, wish I knew who it was. :D
I have to admit I scrolled through before reading. My initial thought was, " What kind of mess is that!?! Then I thought, "This isn't the work of the Tom we know." Then reading the explanation of what happened restored my faith!
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Last month I saw four pieces of elm. Two pieces were red elm, the other two were Elm, but did not have red coloring so they were some other type. I don't know the difference between Chinese elm and American elm etc. anyway I cut this board in the evening and quit for the day and came back the next morning to find this. I guess it had some stress in it? I think it was a jacket board.
Ted, my ineptitude knows no bounds at times. Don't underestimate my ability to screw things up beyond recognition. In fact, as I went down the cant, my thoughts were similar to yours, but perhaps more strongly stated. I was sure the accuset was messed up, more to my shame and disappointment. In fact, I find the whole thing very embarrassing, but I share it here as a contribution to the collective knowledge.
Many is the time we have all read about the pains a new sawyer goes through to acquire this knowledge. We all do it. Yet, I chose to do it a second time, albeit a 15 minute exercise and then a face palm.
It's not polite to laugh at others unless you can first laugh at yourself. ;D
The only thing we have more of around here than EWP is Hemlock, so I just figured the log and my time, as a loss. But it was the hottest day of the year so far and I wasn't feeling so hot in the gastro department and wanted to be done, so I did the resawing and trimming and made good wood from it. Fortunately, the order called for 8,10,or 12' lengths and I started out with a 13'6" log. ;D
Brad, looking at that board, I think you were vandalized overnight. :D
I started on this job today: LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=117564.msg1902792#msg1902792) About 40 logs with the smallest probably being 16"+ top end, and the largest butt being probably 26".
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The totals are circled. I will saw the framing lumber cut list first and then 1X10's for B&B siding. I finished the 2X10's & 2X12's today and sawed about half of the 2X8's. It's gonna be hot tomorrow with a chance of thunderstorms but I am gonna try to saw tomorrow and Saturday. Next week is forecast even hotter.
Lynn,
Your cut list confuses me especially since it looks like many are the same sizes. If I got a cut list like that I'd either give it back and tell the client to just give me this sizes and total or I'd summarize them and show to him to verify. I don't care where the board is used just what size he wants and how many. When building my own project and preparing my BOM I'd have a similar list but combine the totals separately. We have also mentioned before and I tell every customer "I can saw and I can count but I can't do both at the same time" so I task him with keeping up the tally as to how many more of each board he wants.
After I sawed yesterday a repeat customer came by and wiped out my small stock of 8' 2X4s I'd cut to be ready for my next Pooh house order. He urgently wanted more so this morning I dragged down a 40' poplar log I had up in the woods in my pasture. I cut 3 8' logs off it sawed it into 2X4s and salvaged a few 2X2 strips which the customer also wiped out yesterday.
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I realized after he left I had mis-figured the costs and he'd paid for 2X8's and gotten 2X4s. He called late this afternoon and I immediately told him and that 18 were already paid for. He came and got the whole stack and says he'll want more. I still have one 13'+ log left but will have to cut another tree or two. When he picked them up he said his helper told him he thought he had been overcharged but he assured him I would not do that so I am glad I mentioned it first and had taken measures to correct it.
We went to a luncheon and while there a friend ordered planter box and I came home and knocked one out for him. Another repeat customer came by and wiped out my small stock of 4/4 RO lumber. It all came from my neighbor and her tree service. I'd hauled it way and cut the tops for firewood but was nice to get paid for the effort too.
Finally a new customer came by with some walnut "logs". The biggest might be 8" SED and several were 3" and 3' long. I'll catch a time when he can observe and saw some of it but I told him several were flat out firewood. To make it worse he is not a woodworker and has no idea what to do with it. He figured it was ready to build with because the "logs" had been under cover in his garage for over a year so they must be dry. ::)
Tomorrow I meet a neighbor's son at 8:00 am 20 miles away to saw some poplar into beams and such. We will see how that works out.
After all that explanation I am still wondering what took a chunk out of your tape there OG :D
Tom,
Was that the entry or exit end of the cant we were seeing in the picture? Was the other end okay and were you able to salvage the bulk of each board as cut true?
One thing I learned was when I make my last turn of the cant I clamp it lower than my last cut and do not release the tension till I have sawed to the rails. I don't see any indication in your post that you did anything different so that would be a shocker to me too. There wasn't a big hard knot right there at the end of the cant was there?
Quote from: Southside on May 12, 2022, 11:09:37 PM
After all that explanation I am still wondering what took a chunk out of your tape there OG :D
Back last fall while doing a truck load of 6x6's the tailgunner borrowed my tape to measure and cut the slabs up for the OWB, He somehow caught it the tape with the saw. He offered to buy me a new tape, but this is why I buy the cheap ones. They get broken or lost all the time. It
s still hanging in there, so I keep using it.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 13, 2022, 06:56:46 AM
Tom,
Was that the entry or exit end of the cant we were seeing in the picture? Was the other end okay and were you able to salvage the bulk of each board as cut true?
One thing I learned was when I make my last turn of the cant I clamp it lower than my last cut and do not release the tension till I have sawed to the rails. I don't see any indication in your post that you did anything different so that would be a shocker to me too. There wasn't a big hard knot right there at the end of the cant was there?
For hemlock, it had a minimal number of knots and no big ones except at the far end. All the boards sawed out flat, no waves. The photo is of the entry end. Almost all of the thickness issues were contained in the first 30" of the log, so I laid the thick ones back up and brought that thickness down, the remaining 10' or so was all 4/4. The ones that were too thin I trimmed that end off. No I did not relieve the clamp once I began sawing boards, zipped right on down to bed. The issue with one live edge is you can't really flip the cant because the live edge is against the backstops and you either can't clamp it well, or it hangs over too far. You would have to flip it and spin it and I ain't gonna do that. ;D
The 20 footers I milled on Wednesday made the stress very apparent and I used the clamp to pull them down the the bed and I flipped the cant often. We only lost one board, shown in the photo a few posts back. That one held it's bow even when we cut it in half and when the client stood on it he could not get it to lay flat. He picked up his load last evening and I am not sure he took that one or not. He sent me a photo last night of where he had gotten with the planting frames.
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It's just part of the game and part of the learning process. Fortunately, if you recall that video of our log yard, I have lots of stuff to learn these harder lessons on. Honestly, I can't think of any way I could have saved that 20' banana. That stress was already in the tree for many years before I met it.
Confucius say, "He who does not relieve stress saws thick and thin boards."
Quote from: WDH on May 13, 2022, 08:40:29 AM
Confucius say, "He who does not relieve stress saws thick and thin boards."
Yeah, I knew that before. But maybe now I know it a bit better? :D I am wondering if all the hemlock will be like that or just these couple of logs?
OG don't worry, banana boards will work just fine for plantin' taters. They got eyes but they won't complain. smiley_thumbsup
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on May 12, 2022, 03:42:55 PM
Well, we don't allow duplicate posts here on these forums, but tis one could equally fit in the "Did Something Dumb Today" thread. However I chose to put it here as we frequently have discussions started by newer sawyers regarding incinsistent board thickness and things of that sort which get traced, eventually, back to stress in the log. The path between the symptom and the solution is sometimes painful and entails a lot of looking for all kinds of problems with one's mill and rechecking a lot of the setup. I admit, I thought at first I had a mill problem, probably with the head transducer and the Accu-set, but it didn't take me long to figure out.
I was doing "one side live edge" for siding. I made a D-log and all I had to do was 'mill to bed' at 4/4. So easy even a male engineer could do it. Just a 12' log, so I was pretty much on auto-pilot going through the motions ripping away. About halfway down the cant I felt something wasn't quite right and the board thicknesses were not quite consistent. I kept looking at the accuset. It was indicating it was in the right place, but look at the end of the log:
(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/52103/IMG_20220512_120219146.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1652384660)
Again, just to be clear, each of these boards was cut at the correct height to yield 4/4 boards all the way down.
This is on an LT50, running the ACCUSET is 'saw to bed' mode at 4/4 for anyone keeping track. I'll not bore you with the details, but what was happening here was the front end of the cant was lifting up and dropping down with each successive board cut as the stresses in the log changed. I had been keeping and eye on it...sort of... but apparently not close enough. The front end of the boards were all over the map from 5/8 to 1-1/4 thick for a distance of about 30" and the rest of the length was fine.
Now full confession: I thought, when I got down to around that 7" mark on the tape I had a serious problem with the accuset and since it was only hemlock I thought the whole log was wasted, so I just ran it out completely disgusted. It was after I shut it down and started to investigate that I realized what had actually happened. I am not really happy with this run of Hemlock I am working on, but I think it is done for now.
After re-sawing a couple of boards and trimming a few others I managed to come up with just exactly what the order called for and only a couple of feet more.
So hopefully this will stick in someone's head and be recalled when it proves useful to them. I feel pretty dumb for not seeing it for what it was the moment it was happening. I should know better by now.
In other news, I finished off the 2x8 hemlock order just before the above mishap and texted the customer on my way home that they were done. About 2 hours later he picked them up with a trailer and then stopped at my place on the way out to give me a $50.00 tip which I tried hard to refuse but he explained that it wasn't from him, it was from his end client who was pleased to get the lumber so fast. The client insisted that the sawyer get a tip even though I never even met him. Nice fella, wish I knew who it was. :D
I had the same but opposite problem say_what. I had added 2x2 tubing to the bed of my '84 LT 30 so that I could get down to the last inch off the bed and when I cut long (15') cants, i was getting the end of the boards thicker than the middle. What I later figured out was that i wasn't supporting the ends of the cant and when the cant was 2/3 cut, the cant would droop on the ends and it would saw them thick....raised the ends supports and problem solved...but not before messing up a few cants.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 12, 2022, 10:48:35 PMYour cut list confuses me especially since it looks like many are the same sizes.
No need to be confused Howard. I occasionally get them like that and I have it consolidated and ready for my use in just a few minutes.
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In about 12 hours of sawing I have completed the customer's cut list of framing lumber.
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4841bf, whacked, stickered, and stacked.
Starting Monday I have 33 logs that will be sawn into 1X10's and smaller for B&B siding. If the weather holds out the the tailgunners hold up, I should finish this sawing job Wednesday.
Board & Batten out for delivery.
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Then tried to tackle this bad boy. Too big.
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Met the customer today 27 miles away to saw this whack of logs. About 25 or so with several rejected for firewood, a couple for single 4X4 or a pair of poor quality 2X4s. Several 6X6 posts. About 840 bf of 4/4 sheeting and a few 3" battens. All 12' long. 1744 bf total. 4.7 engine hours on the mill and 5.6 gallons of gas but that includes 1.5 hours at home yesterday. Used 3 each 4* DH WM blades.
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This was tomorrow's whack scattered in the weeds. A neighbor came up with a tractor and consolidated it somewhat.
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Finished view. These are for building a 30'X32' garage/barn over the foundation of an old school. The customer and his hard working wife stacked all the lumber. She is not available for tomorrow but we may get rained out anyway.
More hemlock garden bed parts. 2"x12" 16'.
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I have mentioned this before but proved again today with 2 new helpers (customer husband and wife team) and see we averaged over 305 bf/hr. Part of that was because a lot was framing or posts which, while the logs were small, only required 4-6 cuts to finish.
What is working well at the start of sawing I show and give the lecture "If it is on the bed rails it is yours to process. If it is on the cant or loading arms it is my wood. If the loading arms are down, it means put a log on them." This is simple and they quickly learn and follow the work flow as desired.
Slabs, edging strips and finished boards I just barely push off the cant on to the bed and the off-bearer(s) remove them to the finished lumber pile or scrap pile as appropriate. If I push the flitches on to the loading arms I will come back to them and they leave them there until I raise the arms and they help me stand them up for edging. When I saw the cant to the rails and I want to use the last 3-4 boards to edge against I do not move them off the cant until I finish edging. This seems to be a simple set of instructions the off-bearers pick up on and it keeps the work flowing.
"Some's got it and some ain't,". Andy Taylor
Tail gunners who "have it" sure can make a job smooth and efficient. Those who "ain't" make for a long day!
It was threatening rain all day but I returned to try to finish the job 27 miles away. The customer's wife was on a previously scheduled trail ride and none of his other promised help showed up so just him and me. I'd help him on the heavy pieces and roll an occasional log on the mill if he was busy stacking or cutting stickers or such but he did pretty good keeping the work flowing.
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Here is what we started with (and finished today). I kicked myself about noon when the sun came out and I realized I could just as easily told the tractor operator yesterday to stack them on the other side of the dip where we'd have been in the shade.. ::) Total for the day was about 1430 bf for 5.7 hours on the mill (Same as yesterday but 252 bf/hr instead of 304 for yesterday with just the 2 of us.)
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Assorted 6X6, 2X6, 2X4, 3X4 and trim cuts the customer saved for his wife's crafts and projects.
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4/4 sheeting 12' long.
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End view and neat stack of slabs
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A few short 4/4 and battens.
We had to break for rain for 30-40 minutes and it started again as we did our tally. I had a leak in the drive side tire and aired it up but stopped at our local grocery and it was flat when I came out so I had to change it. My el-cheapo 12V electric impact wrench did not work but I had a good 4 way lug wrench, bumper jack and spare tire so no big issue. One nice guy did stop to see if I needed help and offered use of his impact wrench but not needed. I stopped by the auto store and got oil, filter and ATF for 1150 hour service which is now due. No air filter but ordered it and he said would be in tomorrow or next day so no problem there.
3188 bf in 2 days and 2 trips. Made a couple of new friends and got cash payday for my effort. Life is good.
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Oh - except for these. One tree was target base and full of bullets but they sawed easily. Two other trees had nails like this and customer bought 2 replacement blades. No hassle with that as he knew in advance and I even asked ahead of time on them.
The sticker police are going to pay your customer a visit.
I have already told him to expect a visit. He figures he'll have it in the air before they get there. :D
We sawed a mixed load of cedar and oak yesterday morning. We spent a little over two hours sawing this load due to the funky cut requests, small wonky logs and chainsaw time.
After pulling logs out of the pond, we unloaded the solar kiln, put live oak in the hot box (of course we had to hand stack it in there because the stack was too wide). I could read John's mind. He was thinking about Yellowhammer's advice about saving steps. The last thing we did was stack the live edged cypress slabs on the racks in my shop.
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There are a couple of mantles in the stack. We don't sell a lot of them, but they do bring good money when they do sell. We try to keep a few on hand. (https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/22883/EEC796AE-D07F-4CB8-A3E0-C5E37FEA2CBD.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1652575048)
Yes, John has that look on his face.
Sawed some 2" thick red oak trailer decking today. Great weather, nice day of sawing.
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Quote from: Deese on May 13, 2022, 06:38:24 PMThen tried to tackle this bad boy. Too big.
This log makes your side supports look like they're 4" tall :D
When your side supports are too short, add extensions:
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Two foot extensions. ;D
When the customer needs stickers just....
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Have him bring up a nice straight 20"butt X 18" top log and...
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Whack out 256 bf of stickers. ;D
And when the customer wants 2X4's....
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You can make 4 cants if you offset the pith so that it will still fall within one cant. Actually this one could have made 5 cants but his 2X4 cut list was almost complete.
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The entire framing lumber cut list is complete with this 6348 bf of 2X4's, 6's, 8's, 10's, & 12's.
I am now sawing 1X10's for B&B Siding with the side limber being 4's, 6's, & 8's for bats.
MM, those are great logs. Good looking whack of boards too.
This is probably the highest quality whack of logs that I have ever sawn: LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=117564.msg1902792#msg1902792) I originally said 40 logs but I miss counted somewhere because there were over 50. I am only half done and the rest is B&B. :-X
The good thing is that the bark is easily slipping off and there are no sawyer holes. Perfect timing. ;D
Great looking logs there. I hope that pine bark is easier to deal with than the poplar bark I had Friday and Saturday. It was nasty. Big thick sheets, long fibers wrapping around the debarker and all other moving parts.
I looked at a job 14 miles away and showed the customer where to move them so I can saw them. Beautiful RO and some WO and one whole WO tree with an intact rootball that looked to be 30" at the base. They are going to use the bottom 9' with flare for a center post.
They live in SC so asked about weekends and looks like I may be booking 4-5 weekends for them as weather permits. Beautiful view up on a ridge overlooking the Greenbrier River. I told them to make stacks of about 25 logs and I'll start at the bottom and just move to the mill to the next stack as done. Otherwise the long distance could make them hard to control with no MHE on site.
Look at the first picture in Reply #738. The log is naked and there is crumbled bark covering the ground. SYP in the perfect condition is a joy to debark and handle but the log and the inside of the bark can be slippery and you can bust your butt.
Old dead black gold laying around for years in the woods.
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I recently completed my largest (so far) custom milling job. The customer had a number of burr oak trees that had come down because they had begun to die out and because he wants to add a building. The logs were scatterd all over the place.
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Luckily, I recently acquired a new log handling machine, shown here with the largest log of the job - 24 inches diameter (after the bark came off) and 10+ feet long, it calculates out to about 2000 pounds. The back end of the tractor was just staying on the ground at this point.
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After we got that bad boy on the mill, the rest presented very little challenge.
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We milled a total of 8 logs. The largest (shown above) was 210 bd ft. The smallest was around 50 bd ft. I estimate we milled a total of about 750 bd ft. The two pictures below each show about 1/3 of the total. The customer would tailgun the boards and sweep them and stack them near the mill, then when I went home for lunch or for the night, he would sticker and stack them in his shed.
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I had a problem with gunk building up on the blades.
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What was your blade lube?
H46,
Pretty logs and I envy the log moving machine. I dragged a 16' poplar yesterday and had the front wheel raising up so I know that feeling in the pit of your stomach. Keep up the good work.
Lynn,
Yep, that bark is slick and better not step on it or you may bang up another hand. It is hard to get a grip on that first cut rough slab to push off the cant for the off-bearers to unload or flitches to edge
later. They feel ike they have been greased.
Quote from: Magicman on May 16, 2022, 08:16:40 PM
When your side supports are too short, add extensions:
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Two foot extensions. ;D
Yes! it makes it a lot easier to turn the cant! (manual mill) instead of digging into the top of the stops, it just slides down. 8)
Milled a heavily burled red maple in a high end subdivision today.
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Quote from: Foragefarmer on May 17, 2022, 02:10:57 PM
Milled a heavily burled red maple in a high end subdivision today.
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I would love to have some of that candy!
Quote from: Nebraska on May 17, 2022, 09:16:44 AM
What was your blade lube?
Windshield washer fluid with 1/2 water and a glob of Pinsol. The last day I increased the Pinsol and started spraying the backside of the blade with PB Blaster every couple passes. It may have helped - I couldn't really tell. The last log I switched back to the 7* Timberwolf(?) blade that came with the mill instead of the 4* Kasco blades shown here. It was still cutting well when we finished up. The thing about the gunk buildup is that it's on the back side of the blade where it doesn't get the direct lube flow.
for what ever reason, the stuck on gunk is usually on the "inside" of my blades, where the lube/washer fluid is being directed. more of a cleaner/solvent, than lubrication. mostly where it is pressed on by the band tires.
Just sawing 1X10, etc. for B&B, plus a few 4X4's to stack/sticker on. Total sawed today was 3091 bf.
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I think that my customer and tailgunner are drunk. ::)
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 16, 2022, 09:53:56 PMGreat looking logs there. I hope that pine bark is easier to deal with than the poplar bark I had Friday and Saturday.
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No trouble debarking SYP logs. Notice the bark "shell" on the right where the previously debarked log was.
My cottonwood does that if it sets a while, but more fuzzy stuff on the inside.
Quote from: Magicman on May 17, 2022, 06:50:59 PM
Just sawing 1X10, etc. for B&B, plus a few 4X4's to stack/sticker on. Total sawed today was 3091 bf.
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I think that my customer and tailgunner are drunk. ::)
3100 BF: that's a days work, tailgunner or not.
Yeah - good, straight stack/sticker job there...
Garbage wood, firewood or it's no good??
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Piddled on an order for a repeat customer for some poplar framing.
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The 16' log on the bed and the one on the loading arms completed the customers 2X4X16 order with several left over for stock. I also cut one nice 2X8 for one of the 14's on the order.
The 14' waiting by the arms with the plastic barrel shows one technique I use to drag them behind my little tractor. The plastic barrel is split open and placed over the end to help keep the log from digging into the dirt. I guess it's a redneck logging sled/bullet.
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This curvy 12' log returned 6 pretty 2X6X14 off the order (4 to go) and a couple for stock that may not make full length or such but I have uses for them.
I ran out of time before I could cut the barrel tipped 14' into 2X8. I have a real pretty 13'10" log left I can finish the 2X6 part of the order but just can't quite use it for the 14' 2X4 and 2X8s remaining.
The only thing left in the woods is the big 21' butt log. If I can get it out intact it would finish my 14' order and leave me a bunch of stock 6' 2X4s for toilet projects and some 1X10's for birdhouse tops and such. I wish I had one of those big drill attachments for my chainsaw like I saw on Mountain Men to bore a hole in it for a rope through the end as that would be the ticket to get it out.
It was hot today and I kept looking at that 5 gallon lube tank I never use on poplar and many other logs I cut and I was wondering why I could not fill it will ice water or Gatorade and put a T connection on to make a field water cooler. I may have to convene an emergency meeting of the design committee. :D
spectacular! WB
Oops - forgot the after pix.
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some of the 16' 2X4s off first log.
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More 2X4s, a 2X8, some 2X2 and salvage 4/4 and such.
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2X6X12.
I'll try to restack to match the order tomorrow. 374 bf total from the 3 logs.
Quote from: Walnut Beast on May 17, 2022, 08:32:22 PM
Garbage wood, firewood or it's no good??
Lots of uses for crotch walnut. Small jewelry boxes, raised panels, end and side tables. Just have to network with the buyers and show them something they can't live without.
I was running 4' long dry walnut crotch slabs through the widebelt sander yesterday. They go on top of treadle sewing machine bases that I had sand blasted and powder coated. One side is ripped straight to center the feather and they work as a side table.
Walnut Beast, I'm seeing a beautiful stock for a shotgun in that walnut crotch.
There was nothing exciting from me today. I sawed 2080 bf of 1X10, etc. before the loader operator had to leave at 2:30 today and he can not work Friday. My thoughts are that we will finish the job Tuesday.
Hi all. A couple weeks ago I sawed up some white pine logs that I cut down last fall. I think it was November.
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How is this for a straight log? :D However, it did make a nice straight cant.
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The log that is on the mill looks a lot better as a cant than a log.
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At one point I did run into a little problem...
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It didn't do the blade any good and of course it was a new blade.
Happy sawing.....Cutter
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I had to take the picture from the outside of the shed. Three whacks of framing lumber on the left and 4 whacks of 1X10, etc. on the right. 5½ days of sawing and 13513 bf sawn so far. I have 10 more logs to saw but the forecast shows rain most of the week. I am still hoping to finish Tuesday.
WOW! :o :o :o 8) 8) 8) :) :) :)
I spent most of my day chasing the butt log off the big poplar. I cut it into a 6' and a 14' hoping I could handle that. I used cables and snatch blocks and finally got them both through the gate into the pasture. Both broke free and rolled into a ditch and the big on did so twice. I finally got the 6' log over to the mill site but the 14' is just too heavy to pull back up the slope with my undersized JD 750 even with a 7' cherry log on the forks to help hold the front end down. I either have to get a bigger tractor, get some help and use roller logs or move the mill over next to the log. I will review the route again tomorrow to see if that is feasible.
I am taking my mill to my son's place 10 miles away tomorrow to saw some lumber for a shed extension project he is working on. I saw I had a 14' log still next to the arms so it either had to be moved or sawed. Though short on time (GD Band concert was tonight) I went ahead and rolled it on and sawed it into mostly 2X8's with a couple of short 2X4', 2X2's and a pair of 1X8's. Rushed in and showered and changed and barely made it almost on time. Total of 145 bf in the log and .8 engine hours to finish alone.
Took a 10.2 mile drive up to our son's place to saw this whack of logs for him so he can finish a shed extension project he is working on.
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Maple and poplar. One small maple was a one cut wonder and I stopped immediately when I found it was a squirrel den and completely hollow.
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27 - 16' 2X6's, the scrapped maple and a few odd cuts for salvaging short 2X4s and such.
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Some 14' 4/4 boards.
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Some more 4/4 boards and a few 2X4s for deer blinds from a log that split badly in the middle. About half that log was trashed due to defect.
816 bf, 3 hours on the mill. Good time with my son. Call the sticker police but this will be in the air before they get here.
Today's custom job was over in 2.3125" of sawing. Hit a nail. The band dove down and broke. Customer wrote a check for the band and my time and left. :D I hope my splitter will cut knotty beech.
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Dat log is so ugly it hurts. :-X
I have been clearing land for my workshop/garage. I have cut a spot out and am down to the perimeter trees that can destroy the building if they fall on it. Here are a few I have taken out and I still have 10-15 to go. Those two big uns in the background are coming down soon. The downed one is 21" DBH and cut into three 17' sections, though its hard to see.
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This one has been trimmed down to 21' and will become a beam for my drying shed.
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We started sawing a little after 8 this morning. We finally have the opportunity to saw something bigger than poverty sticks. We had some heart longleaf pine stashed in the pond for the past several years. The pond is low, and they are easier to find now so we pulled out a few decent logs and began sawing 1x10's and 1x8's for the floor of a fellow's barndominium.
Around 10 this morning I had to go in and get cleaned up for the graduation ceremony. John built a couple of 8' pallets to stack wood on and put the metal covers back on the mill that conceal the sensor I replaced last evening.
The weather here today was stifling. We had to pull a few more logs out of the pond, which is always an exercise of inefficiency. The silver tip, .055's are doing well on the heart pine. I did send two of them to a premature demise today.
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After graduation, we got back at it. We will kiln dry this and set the pitch.
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Started thinning down this pile from clearing sawmill shed space.
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Got some 2x10x16' from the bigger logs.
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How about....... MY FIRST BOARD!!!!!
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After some delays, I finally got my new mill assembled and started sawing. I picked a smaller Maple log to begin learning, and I'm glad I didn't choose a nicer log; The Cant looked like a Trapezoid from a Picasso painting. I have some more tuning to do. Anyway, I thought you all might enjoy this- and thanks for all of your advice and fellowship!
Steve
Well congratulations! And away we go.....! 8) 8) 8) :D :)
Steve, it is a slippery slope. You are a goner :D.
One good thing is that you will find plenty of company deep down in that rabbit hole. :D :) :laugh:
Woo hoo x 2
Michigan is no longer a safe haven for trees now that olcowhand has a mill! ;D
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My son was going to come tomorrow to bring his larger tractor to help be move this log that was too big for my little JD, Threatening weather made him change his plan and he called and came today. The location and terrain made it too big for him to safely move too so we decided to move it downhill a few yards and bring the mill through the yard and set it up in the edge of the pasture. My ATV pulled it up the slope just fine but I forgot the direction of the loading arms and it was facing the wrong way so we had to spin it by hand which was another chore. We got set up and rolled this beast on the mill. It yielded 342 bf of lumber. Just the lumber weighed a little over 1100 lbs per the toolbox and it filled most of my 2X8 order. I have one-two more that should finish the customer order. I thought the log was several inches bigger at the little end. The mill had no problem lifting and turning it. I was getting 2X8 and 2X4s and after some whittling I got an 8" & a 4" cant and cut 7 each, 2 per pass. I'd stop and my son and I would put them on the forks of his tractor then he took them out the my 5X8 trailer for staging and slid them off and came back for the ones trimmed from the flitches.
I am glad to have this monster slain and enjoyed the time and help from my son.
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After careful and due consideration I have determined this load is probably not roadworthy and won't fit through my 10' gate so I guess I better restack them tomorrow.
good call on that one Howard. ;D
I think that trailer will go through a 10-foot gate, just have to get up some speed. :D :D
Quote from: olcowhand on May 22, 2022, 07:53:15 AM
How about....... MY FIRST BOARD!!!!!
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The Cant looked like a Trapezoid from a Picasso painting.
:D :D :D :D :D I know what you mean but don't ask me how I know. ;D
Trailer police will be knocking on your door. "Sir, is your name Howard? We have a warrant for your arrest, and your trailer will be confiscated."
Doc,
I see great minds think alike. :D
One thing I guess I had known and been doing for years but yesterday it crystalized in my feeble little mind that for most sawing cuts to faces 1 & 3 determine the width of the board/cant(s) while cuts to faces 2&4 determine the number of boards returned.
My, and many others technique, is to put the log on the mill, rotate till the heart check is parallel to the bed rails, saw a slab and a flitch or two then rotate 180 degrees and repeat taking care to start on a mark that will leave the widest possible or desired size board and or cant(s).
Yesterday when cutting my big poplar log I knew I was going to be sawing 2" framing so when sawing on the 2d and 4th faces I started on one of my marks off my cheat sheet to end on a finished 2" board. When I saw it was possible to salvage a 4/4 board I'd move up an inch plus kerf, saw and set that flitch aside, resume sawing 2" flitches till I got past the bark where I wanted to be and rotate again.
Turning the log/cant to face #2 and 4 I cut a few 2" flitches then when I got the pith positioned where I wanted it I did a 1/4" trim cut to hit my mark to make a 4" and an 8" cant, rotated both together and sawed 2" finished 2X8 and 2X4 boards to the rails. In some cases I'd have made 3-4" cants centering the pith in one. If the pith is off center I might make a 6" and a 4" cant. In many cases I saw the cant more on one side than the other till the pith is going to be centered in one of my cants then saw.
Simply stated when sawing faces 1 & 3 keep in mind and start on marks to yield the width of the boards you want to produce whether you plan on a single cant with the pith centered on multiple cants with the pith centered in one of them and when sawing faces 2 & 4 start on your mark off your cheat sheet to end on a finished board of the thickness you want.
When sawing for grade or quartersawing, this technique goes out the window.
Danny,
Do the sticker police moonlight as trailer police?
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Well unless the trailer police are also the sawhorse police I should be safe. I got the load transferred here temporarily till the customer can come collect it. I also went ahead and trimmed off the wane and cut to length the side lumber I had salvaged and stacked it in the proper place. All this in the drizzling and miserable rain which prevented me from sawing another log or two and trying to complete the customer's order.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 23, 2022, 08:23:40 AM
One thing I guess I had known and been doing for years but yesterday it crystalized in my feeble little mind that for most sawing cuts to faces 1 & 3 determine the width of the board/cant(s) while cuts to faces 2&4 determine the number of boards returned.
Verbalizing that fundamental of sawing lumber so succinctly is invaluable. Other stuff tends to get our attention before some of the obvious stuff. Obvious stuff that really are the fundamentals of sawing lumber.
Howard, the Sticker Police and the Trailer Police are different agencies.
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I am finally winding this one up and should finish tomorrow. One log on the sawmill and the final log in the get-go-ready position. Over 15Mbf sawn and I will have a final tally plus some pictures tomorrow.
I have customers waiting, but my plans are to park the sawmill for the rest of the week.
You have done a great job on that one. I am envious of the logs you had on this gig. Thank you for sharing pictures.
Yes Sir, no question this has to be the highest quality logs that I have ever sawn on one job. Not the first one knotty, nor crooked. 18" was the smallest top end and 31" the largest butt. I think that there were a total of 43 logs.
I have been riding the sawmill hard and lotsa big logs have been hitting the bed rails so it is time for me to check and make any needed adjustments.
This is in some black gold. Hollowed out inside of stump. Inside was this guy. What is it ?
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Alaus oculatus
Order: Coleoptera
Family: Elateridae
Those are not real eyes; they are just for show. Adult eyed click beetles are not very common, but people tend to notice and remember them when they do see one. At one to two inches in length, these are large insects, and those large false eye spots on the back of the thorax are just so conspicuous. Although some species of click beetles have bioluminescent eye spots, the eye spots of eyed click beetles do not glow in the dark. Eyed click beetles are most often spotted around the outsides of buildings, where they have been attracted to lights—yes they can and do fly. Place an adult beetle on its back and it will usually flip into the air in an often successful attempt to right itself. And, if at first it does not succeed...... This flipping action is accompanied by a relatively loud click, which explains why beetles in this family are called click beetles.
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The logs before I began: LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=117564.msg1902792#msg1902792) Without measuring, I estimated that it would be over 14Mbf.
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The last log was sawn 2" X 1&2 live edge.
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And it turned out some purdy slabs.
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The Sticker Police were not always watching.
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From the inside looking out.
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The Kubota pulled the sawmill out to solid ground.
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And I left nothing but slabs, sawdust, and 17,261 bf of stickered lumber. I am glad that I decided to slow down on my sawing last year because this puts me @ over 80Mbf in 5 months of sawing. Not a record but it ain't too shabby.
Slabbed up some big sycamore. I have straps and weight on it. We hope I can tame the drying movement. Gorgeous wood.
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Sure is going to be hard to catch up with the MM at this rate. (I'll either have to break one of his legs or his ride along seat to slow him down.) I sawed these 2 - 14' long poplar tops as part of an order I have. I got 168 bf including 7 - 2X8s and a couple of 2X6s. Finished the 2X8s, need 5 more 2X6 (I probably have that many in stock if I wanted to dig them out) and a dozen 2X4X14 to finish the order. I have a 13'11" log to finish the 2X6s which only need to be 12' long and I'll stretch an extra inch out of the bevel on the cut if I can and that should about finish the order. If not one more tree will do it.
My first slabs cut on my homemade mill!
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I forgot what kind of log this one was, but I think it was red oak.
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Is this spalting? I thought it looked like flames. br>(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/66590/first_slabs_3_spalting.jpg?easyrotate_cache=1653440085)
yes, the black lines are spalting. ;)
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Got out and sawed up this stock log today. 13'10" or so poplar. 187 bf of 2X6 and 2X4 to finish my customer's order.
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These plus the boards shown earlier on the saw horses are about 1,000 bf of poplar framing from 12'-16' and 2X4 to 2X8.
Now I just need to call him to come pick it up. I think he will have to rent a longer trailer as he only has about a 10' utility trailer.
Yes he will because you can not haul 16' lumber in a 10' trailer.
Round figure speaking, you need to follow the 60-40 rule, 60% of the weight in front of the axle and 40% behind. A tail wagging trailer will get you in big trouble very quickly. :-X Yes, I have been there!! Yikes !!! :o
I usually put down the pick-up truck rear gate and stack the longer ones narrowly in the center of the trailer. Then you just make sure you don't do a 90 degree turn on your way to the destination.
Yeah, I just called him and told him he needed to find or rent a longer trailer. U-haul rents a 12' utility trailer for about $30/day which is what I suggested to him. He has about a 4 mile trip but some of it is steep!
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 24, 2022, 07:42:21 PM
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Sure is going to be hard to catch up with the MM at this rate. (I'll either have to break one of his legs or his ride along seat to slow him down.) I sawed these 2 - 14' long poplar tops as part of an order I have. I got 168 bf including 7 - 2X8s and a couple of 2X6s. Finished the 2X8s, need 5 more 2X6 (I probably have that many in stock if I wanted to dig them out) and a dozen 2X4X14 to finish the order. I have a 13'11" log to finish the 2X6s which only need to be 12' long and I'll stretch an extra inch out of the bevel on the cut if I can and that should about finish the order. If not one more tree will do it.
SYP will be an endangered species in the South soon if MM keeps that up 8). Have you heard of the Mojave Forest? Yup, that was before @Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) got his Woodmizer.
Along these lines, yesterday I made a rough "in the head" estimate of my board feet sawed this year and got to wondering how close I actually was, soooo I pulled my invoices this morning.
The actual number is 74,556 bf.
Of course I do not scale nor charge for stickers, 4X4's to stack on, nor boards that have wane.
Quote from: Magicman on May 25, 2022, 11:30:43 AMThe actual number is 74,556 bf.
If you would show a little initiative, you might make 200mbf this year! ;) :D Amazing work!
Nope, ain't happening. Hopefully I will not exceed 100Mbf. ::)
I am passing all of the larger jobs that I can off to a fellow sawyer.
I say this all with due respect and love in my heart when I tell you Lynn that if your goal was to cut back this year, you kind of suck at it. ;D
As for passing the bigger jobs along, you ain't so good at that either. :D
Well I did/have passed all of the jobs over ~50 miles to another sawyer. These latest biguns just happen to be close. What can I say??
Funny thing is that the customer that I sawed over 21Mbf for already has about 40 more logs waiting for me. That plus the customer that I sawed over 14Mbf for has another 8Mbf waiting for me to get there.
I am down to only 12 more names on the list. I have no plans to saw this nor next week because da sawmill is in "dry dock". :D
After 3 days of rain, I had to adjust the power feed belt. Had it all adjusted and tightened the bolts with my 1/4 inch drive cordless ratchet. I always give a torque check with an open end wrench. The top bolt felt "squishy". I carefully removed it to see this....
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Yes it is barely in one piece. So after over 2 years of not turning wrenches for a living......................I still got it. 8)
Bad thing is..........my old can of lawnmower bolts is starting to get shy of 1/4-20 bolts. :(
hugs, Brandi
I added 6; ¼"-20x¾ w/conical washer bolts ($1.38) to my last order from Wood-Mizer. ;D
Brandi,
TSC and Rural King can help you with that bolt supply problem.
I recently found that they (TSC) make a good pair of canvas work pants at a very reasonable price too. (Well, for men anyway - I did not check out the ladies selections as I did not want to be considered less than masculine by shopping on that side. Also they did not have a handy place for me to leave my purse while I was shopping. ;) )
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Got a call from a potential customer this morning saying he needs some 2X4s and said he could use some 6' long so I told him I'd saw up this 6' log off the big double poplar I had posted about earlier - the cut below this was the one too big for me to get to the mill. I cut it up and got 29 - 2X4s, a 2X6 and some side lumber of 2X2 strips and 4/4 boards.
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I sawed a couple of these tiny 6' tops and even one 5' and got 2-3 -2X4s out of each for stock. I can use small stuff like that on my composting toilets.
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I sawed these 2- 8' tops and got 6 2X4 for stock or sale (All my stock is for sale if a customer needs/wants it). 188 bf out of all but nearly all from the first log.
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The 6' mostly all 2X4s
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The 8' 2X4s and 4/4 side lumber and 5' 2X4s
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I now try to save 2X2 strips to use for doors and window framing in my little sheds and toilets. I had a stock built up then a customer came and bought them all so I had to start my stockpile over again.
Anyway the yard is a little cleaner now.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on May 26, 2022, 09:05:09 AM
Brandi,
TSC and Rural King can help you with that bolt supply problem.
I recently found that they (TSC) make a good pair of canvas work pants at a very reasonable price too. (Well, for men anyway - I did not check out the ladies selections as I did not want to be considered less than masculine by shopping on that side. Also they did not have a handy place for me to leave my purse while I was shopping. ;) )
Thanks for directing me to where I can get more 1/4-20 bolts. Thought I was gonna have to tear down another lawnmower. ::) Please pick a selection up for me next time you are there and mail them to me. oz_smiley
Also, is Rural King the husband to Dairy Queen? smiley_love
Canvas? Who wears canvas? They are so last year. Besides, denim are forever. smiley_eek_dropjaw
So your one of those that leaves your purse laying around? If you carried in your purse what I carry in my purse, you wouldn't leave it anywhere but on your person. thumbs-up
hugs, Brandi
Quote from: Magicman on May 26, 2022, 07:30:53 AM
I added 6; ¼"-20x¾ w/conical washer bolts ($1.38) to my last order from Wood-Mizer. ;D
I have done that before. But I have plenty of 3/4 inch bolts. It's the 1.25 inch bolts I am short of.
hugs, Brandi
sounds like a country cousin. :)
Brandi,
Thanks for the fashion advice but canvas is much cooler and lighter and more flexible for work pants anyway.
I'll be sure to pick up your extra bolts on my next trip to town so you don't have have to take another mower apart.
I had two 'not so big' jobs to get done on the mill today (I/we only got one done) one was 3" pine slabs for a 32' bar top, the other was hemlock 2xsomething for raised beds. The 16' pine log was already on the loader arms, about 32" diameter, but I had told Bill what ever hemlock he picked out for the raised beds he should make obvious, because we have logs all over and hemlock is everywhere.
SO as I pulled into the slot that led to the mill/log yard I saw this (you gotta look close):
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Now you would have to have good resolution on your screen and really focus to see it, but he left me a 'hint', such as he does sometimes. If you can't see it, I don't fault you, even in person I had to focus a little; SO I took that photo and highlighted it a bit so you can see what I saw.
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SO I am guessing this was the 12 footer he wanted me to use for the raised beds. :D At least I think so.
Anyway, rain was coming in and I wanted to get the bar tops done but handling 16' x 3" slabs is rough for an old guy alone. I got it started and took off a 2" flitch after the opening cut and one slab, then did a 180° flip (with a dumb move, described elsewhere if I overcome my embarrassment) and about that time Bill showed up to help, so he ran the mill and I cut the junk up and tailgunned. Because of the unique use for these, the stickered them right on the mill bed and will try to get the client over in the morning to decide if he wants us to straight line one edge or put them out to dry for a while and figure it out later.
I buttoned up and headed home to set a burn in the swamp, a good day with the rain coming. in.
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I sawed about 20 logs of white birch this month. These were cut over the winter. Some were standing dead and some were live. There was some rot in a couple of the logs and some had very dark heart wood. So anyway, here are some pictures.
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I like white birch. I like the look of it and it saws easily. It also sells easily. ;D
Happy sawing.....Cutter
Very good looking lumber!
Did you have trouble finding the larger diameter millable logs?
Looks Awesome Cutter!
Quote from: Andries on May 28, 2022, 08:02:20 AM
Did you have trouble finding the larger diameter millable logs?
Yes. All the logs were cut off my farm and there are not many left over 14-16". They die off before they get very big. I try to keep track of the individual trees of any size so I can harvest them if they start to die.
Today I learned that getting full size 2x12's from medium sized logs is a real pain. I didn't have logs big enough to make a decent cant, so I had to just keep cutting slabs and then edge them. Those are heavy slabs to be standing up to edge. Originally the guy wanted 2x6 and then switched to 2x12. I should have said no to that.
Kinda like trying to get full heart white oak for trailer decking------takes a big log to get 8 2x10's.
Nice character in these 8 footers
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Quote from: firefighter ontheside on May 29, 2022, 06:29:58 PM
Today I learned that getting full size 2x12's from medium sized logs is a real pain. I didn't have logs big enough to make a decent cant, so I had to just keep cutting slabs and then edge them. Those are heavy slabs to be standing up to edge. Originally the guy wanted 2x6 and then switched to 2x12. I should have said no to that.
Hydraulics sure help with full size 2x12s. How long are they?
hugs, Brandi
Walnut Beast, Very nice!
Thanks cutter! The Cedar isn't going that well 😂
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That's the way it goes. Some good, some bad.
At least the carpenter ants have been having a fine family reunion :D.
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I've had this Dawn Redwood sitting around for awhile. To be honest I almost forgot about it. Sawed a slab off tonight and it looks pretty interesting to me. I don't know what I'm going to do with it yet. Probably cut it into 8/4 slabs and see what happens.
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on May 29, 2022, 06:29:58 PM
Today I learned that getting full size 2x12's from medium sized logs is a real pain. I didn't have logs big enough to make a decent cant, so I had to just keep cutting slabs and then edge them. Those are heavy slabs to be standing up to edge. Originally the guy wanted 2x6 and then switched to 2x12. I should have said no to that.
This is what happens when you get into sawing. your machinery is seldom big enough. A real heavy duty edger with the right support equipment and there would be nothing to it.
That dawn redwood would be great for sign makers or other wood carvers. The problem is that they have never herd of it and only want basswood or w. pine.
That cedar is being held together by termites holding hands. :D
Between sawing pine 1x6x16's and 2x4x16's, I got a call from a guy who wanted some old beams resawn. I figured they were hand hewn from some barn up north. Turns out they were from a sawmill somewhere relatively local. They looked like red oak and had a bunch of sand and rocks imbedded into the cracks and anywhere sand and rocks could fit. I spent a good bit of time with a wire brush and a water hose trying to get them clean enough to saw. I told the customer it would be hourly rate plus blades. I was able to get through with one blade, but it was not a happy blade at the conclusion of this sawing session. I will say that cranking up the tension, pouring the lube (cotton picker spindle lube in this case) and just pouring the coals to it and it continued to cut flat, even when past dull (WM, ST, .1.5", .o55). Sawing creosoted crossties could not have been worse.
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There were three of these, roughly 12x12x 11'. The one pictured was the roughest.
One blade - that's impressive.
Sand and gravel are not a blades best friends.
Storm damage made this elm tree in the backyard pretty lopsided and homely. Since the lawn was destroyed already from doing septic tank work with the backhoe, I took the opportunity to dig it up for some practice milling.
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The wood in the middle photo is beautiful.
hugs, Brandi
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Gabe RN and his son John. we milled up 3 elm logs he wants for a 10 x 30 wood wall. He is a charge nurse in our ED. got to know him when I was at Wesley in Wichita. He and his wife are Nurses and former Airforce.
Your Elm looks like my Black Locust. :)
Sapwood is a clue....black locust.
I took his word for it. if so, I wish I had know, that is nice rot resistant wood. It was fresh felled a month ago, and sawn just that day. I will see if I can get a better pic. no thorns, and it sawed nice. the will look further. he has a bunch more, i will see if he can provide some leaf pics ect. thanks
Honey locust would have thorns, but the black locust does not. Should make a good wall.
Well, some Black Locust trees will have short and much larger at the base thorns, but nothing like the Honey Locust thorns.
What I saw here were straight and virtually limbless stems/logs with almost no sapwood. Elm and Black Locust bark is very similar. Black Locust heartwood is yellowish where Elm is more brown.
this was a brown green heart wood. did not get pics. this is the same guy that helped me biby a log to cover a beam when they lived in Wichita. He was not using PPE and I got my Asthma chewed. :) :) :)
I think they r talking about cornerstone's elm. 🤔
Thanks JJ. I wondered but we both were talking elm. :)
Quote from: JJ on June 03, 2022, 06:53:00 PMI think they r talking about cornerstone's elm. 🤔
?? I wasn't. My reply was directed toward doc's "elm" which was just above my reply. Actually I did not see any replies after mine that were directed toward Cornerstone. I also do not see anything with Cornerstone's log/cant that even remotely resembles Black Locust.
Doc's Elm may be Elm, but to me the sapwood/heartwood says otherwise.
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Went to saw logs for my boat dealer/mechanic 18 miles away. This is another flea market job as he had seen and talked to me at the flea market a while back and has mentioned he had logs and finally told me to come saw them. Today was near perfect with a break in the weather. High in low 70s, mostly cloudy and a breeze. These are all fairly small hemlock logs in 8', 10' & 12 lengths. He wanted all true 2X4s and a little bit of 1X4 lumber on the side. He had to push back the first 4-5 logs with his tractor and forks as there was not room between me and the tree for the mill and to still walk.
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One unusual thing was the customer has a band mill and it was parked about 35 yards away. He has had it several years and says he has sawed a little bit of 1" lumber but did not know how to saw 2X4s?
I sawed and removed the slabs and edgings to a pile behind me and he stacked the lumber as it was cut and kept me supplied with logs every time the loading arms were lowered as requested. We ended up with 881 bf total. We could no doubt have gotten more bf if he had wanted some to the flitches edged into 2X6 but he said he only needed 2X4s and I cut what he wanted.
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Everything was flat stacked on a big trailer as cut. I think there were 16 12s, 40 10's and 82 8's and a few 1X4" of each on the side.
Thanks magic man. I have sent the question to Gabe. Just to make me crazy, the first pic he sent me was leaves on a tree like this.
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I am like, "What?" that looks like Walnut. he said he has a bunch but then said this is not a pic of the same type of tree we milled, and he will get some of that. :o :o :o I am headed to Camp Alexander Colorado, in the am with Troop 1 of Hutchinson Ks. I will try to post, but reception and Wi-Fi is limited. I will send future pics when I can and may start a thread about our week at Camp. Only 3 youth, and two adult. My Assistant Scoutmaster is former Lieutenant Kernel Army. We work well together. i started some acetazolamide to reduce shortness of breath at night the fist few days at just over 8K feet ASL. it has changed my IPA beer to flat cherry soda. side effect. We are lowlander here in Ks. God bless America and save the Queen! :) :) :)
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Black Locust (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinia_pseudoacacia)
I found a picture that illustrates the sapwood on MM's link and the reason I called black locust when I saw your picture.
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I think it is a dead giveaway when I see it. Also it has a distinctive smell when sawing. I think it smells like cinnamon cookies and always makes me hungry.
I really like working with it and have made lots of outdoor furniture with the stuff. With exposure to UV the color changes to a dark cherry color.
Going from a poor memory, about 40 years ago the Missouri Dept. of Conservation started a program to reclaim land around coal strip pits. The land wouldn't grow hardly anything but they found it would grow black locust. Black locust fixes nitrogen in the soil so they could get other under story stuff growing. When mature the plan was to cut the black locust for firewood. They enlisted Peabody Coal Company's help and some strip pits in east Kansas along with Missouri got heavy plantings of black locust.
I always taste pepperoncini peppers and pickles when I saw black locust.
Just the thread I was looking for! We had several trees felled and now I've got quite a lot to process! Lots for firewood, but there are a few special pieces that I'm planning to slab. Some of them are too large to move, so I picked up a Stihl MS 660 and a 48" Granberg Alaskan mill and I'm going to be working these piles allllll summer long, probably. Several white oak logs, one black walnut, a couple norway spruce, and some elm.
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Timberking getting it done!!
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Pretty slabs! I like the white sapwood.
Walnut Beast, there you go again, working at night in the dark. :D
Beautiful wood!
Thanks cutter! Getting ready to slice in this one
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Black gold never disappoints! Got rained out but it sure looks nice on the gold
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WB, you're getting a lot of nice lumber and character slabs. You must have an unlimited supply of walnut trees and downed logs! Must make your customer base pretty happy! They must be snapping it up as fast as you can produce it.
Nothing exciting here. JMoore and I built a few 8' pallets to stack lumber on to start the day. A tropical storm was scheduled but mostly stayed to the south and made for a nice day to work. After the pallets, we sawed a few heart pine logs for a floor order, ate lunch and retrieved a few more from the pond. We sawed and stacked but we are still about 200 bf short of our order. Just before dark, I walked out to the pond and found a couple of logs that should fulfill this order.
After sawing for most of the day, we put legrite legs on some bench slabs and sanded them. We farmed out the table that they will go with but they are all ready for finish now. I appreciate WDH giving me a little guidance on the Legrite's as we have not used them before.
A week ago, I tore my calf muscle while cutting logs on a little bit of rough ground. Earlier in the week, we installed the sawmill ridealong seat because I was not able to keep up with the mill. It keeps me from helping moving slabs and stacking lumber but I think it has really increased our production. With hydraulics everywhere and someone who knows what's up, the production can go way up.
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I was able to send out a small load of 2x's and some 1x6's yesterday morning. These help pay for diesel and blades.
Sorry about your leg issues Caveman. Those benches you have in that photo, are those Deb Legs? If not, where did you find them?
Epoxy in this stuff will make for some interesting stuff
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Quote from: Old Greenhorn on June 04, 2022, 10:30:17 PMThose benches you have in that photo, are those Deb Legs?
They look like they are the Deb legs from Ritelegco.com.... I was curious so I looked into it. They sure are proud of those legs at almost 200 bucks a pair. I plan on making my own legs for a few projects that I want to do. I like the modern leg with rustic look.
They are not made in China... just sayin
No, they are not cheap. I have an RFQ with Rite Leg for 2 pairs of bench Deb legs and a pair of table legs right now in a custom color. Their legs are rock solid and add a lot to the projects I use them on. Plus, they are super folks to work with. I suggest them to my clients all the time. The last pair I put on a bar, the client questioned the cost a little, but when they got the finished product, they just said "WOW, now I know why you suggested them."
I have 2 pair of the picnic table legs in my shop right now waiting for buildup, and I think I need to order two more pair. It's one of those products that once you see it, you get it. This ain't sheetmetal work. ;D
I don't know what they cost. Our customers wanted a table and four benches to go with it. They asked about legs, and I suggested that they take a look at the Ritelegs. They did, the legs were delivered to me and they will soon have an amazing table with nice benches.
We build quite a few benches using 3" octagon legs and a 2" tenon cutter but I will admit that these benches look a bit more refined.
Quote from: beenthere on June 04, 2022, 11:09:03 PM
They are not made in China... just sayin
With a beautiful piece like that bench it'd be a shame to slap on a flimsy chinesium set. American made and worth every penny too.
The reason I asked was to learn how do you find the weighting on them? Are they heavy enough? I am quoting a dining table and two benches right now for a client that chose those legs and am hoping the bench legs are fairly heavy as the other legs I have bought from them. This is my first job with Deb legs. I probably should have asked Shania at Riteleg but I didn't think of it at the time.
The legs are plenty stout. The plate that mounts to the bottom of the bench appeared to be 1/4" and the square tubing did not seem to be thin wall. With oak slabs on top of those legs, the benches are pretty hefty.
Super, that is exactly what I expected and hoped for. They don't have the weight on the web page. Those sure make your benches look nice!
They are nice and heavy. On the 5 foot benches that I make, I can stand on top on one end with my 220 pounds and the bench does not tip or move at all. Rock solid. I really like the Deb bench legs too. I have never met Deb, but I have talked to her on the phone many times. It must be my Southern roots, but Deb sounds just like Tammy on the phone.
And by buying Riteleg (Logrite) you support one of the sponsors of the Forum. smiley_thumbsup
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New customer brought me some pine logs to be sawed into slabs that he had cut lengthwise with a chainsaw. Apparently he had trouble keeping the saw straight, as the first few slabs I cut had "issues". ::)
Keep that black gold coming
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Quote from: Resonator on June 05, 2022, 11:36:26 AMAnd by buying Riteleg (Logrite) you support one of the sponsors of the Forum.
That is the primary reason that I recommend the Log Rite legs. A couple of folks, who have high quality standards, also have used them and spoke favorably about their products.
Here's a set of "RiteLeg" bench legs I used on a bench I made for my daughter and to be son in law.
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They make awesome legs and like others have said they are a forum sponsor supporting us so I will continue using their fine products to help support them.
Brent
Those look like Michelle's legs but I can't be certain from the photos. Nice choice, I hope to use those on a project someday. The finish on that top is amazing.
Yes, I like to support forum sponsors, especially these folks who do so much for the forum, but the funny thing is, as someone who is doing fairly regular business with them these days I feel they are supporting and enhancing my business too.
That's why I have an endorsement page on my website where I recommended them and a just few other entities that have helped my small tiny business.
Someone "gave" me this log and the one standing behind it....I say "gave" cause they took on a job cleaning it up but its so big they can't handle it, so they are lucky I was willing to take it, haha.
Decided to cut both logs into cants and ship them to ky with my next wood shipment, with the intent of getting a bunch of quartersawn boards....ended up just having the "third" the thing instead, but result will be close to the same, just heavier lifting.
The first log has some knots in it after about 7.5 feet, the log thats still standing should be totally clear.
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Well to stay on subject, yesterday morning I knocked out a quick short order for 2x12x12' Hemlock (heavy). easy peasey.
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Today, being 'sunday funday' after splitting and stacking about a 1/2 cord of firewood I loaded a kegerator that has long been surplus to my needs and delivered it down to Bill's on a trade/swap/barter (we'll figure that out later) and after we were done unloading and messing with it a little he said "do you want to meet the new dog?" Well, um YEAH, I work here when you aren't around, I'd better meet this dog. Now you should know there is already one resident dog, that would be Sadie, the queen of the property. When I am running the mill she 'might' come down to check on me, but goes right back up to guard the chickens and watch the 'approaches'. Many times I wish she would keep me company. This new pup looks like he has potential.
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He's young and handsome and seems to be taking Sadie's lead. They had only had him for about 4 hours when I saw him. Knowing a little about the differences between border collies (Sadie) and shepards I am hoping maybe this fella might be more company. Time will tell. Hos name is Hercules and I am hoping Herc and I become fast friends because we no longer have a dog at home and I cherish the time with a good dog. He's young and it takes time and love. I am looking forward to this.
I decided to go cut a poplar tree to fill a small order for some 3.5" wide and 2" wide X 8' long X 3/8" thick lath a customer ordered/paid for to use for craft purposes. I selected the tree, decided I'd drop it through a gate opening so I removed the 12' aluminum gate, cut the tree, missed by a good 30', it slid 50' down the hill into the deep runoff ditch below. Fortunately it did not hit my pasture fence and the butt log was still accessible so I cut it at 8', got my tractor to it and dragged it to the sawing site. I moved and set up the mill and get set to saw.
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Nice log, real thick bark that readily slipped off. I guess its that time of year.
I sawed a 3.5" cant and a couple of 1" flitches, measured and decided one more 3.5" cant should fill the order for 40 "boards" and cut the rest into 2" flitches for the lath and left over into 2X4s.
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I ended up with 54 - 3.5" and 24 -2" wide lath strips which is well over the order. I cut the clean 3/8" edgings into 2' long stickers on the RAS and will probably cut the 2-1" dog boards on the table saw for stickers. I had some pretty 4/4 boards and 7 - 2X4s for stock. (Not shown in the picture - I had stacked and stickered them before I remembered the "After" picture.)
Now I just need to figure how to get the bulk of the tree out of the run-off. Actually a long cable, snatch block and tractor to pull it under the pasture fence should just do the trick.
Howard, you do seem to get yourself into these pickles. Glad you weren't hurt, but did you figure out how the tree went the wrong way? That always concerns me when one doesn't do as I planned and I try really hard to figure out why. It's only a learning experience if you actually learn something form it. Just sayin'
Tom,
It had a good bit of sweep to that side and turned out the pith was a good bit off center. I probably should have cut from the opposite side but it was more stable on the side I sawed from which is always a consideration on the slopes where I am cutting. Before I cut the holding wood it was apparent it wanted to go that way and I could not get the wedge high enough up to turn it. Other than the inconvenience there was nothing there it was going to hurt. I recognized and accepted the risk. I was surprised it slid that far down the slope.
Step over black gold! Osage Orange! I love it! With the right blade it cuts like butter and I have a mixed bag of clear clean stuff and plenty with character. Some epoxy in it will be incredible. The whole gang got peppered with yellow gold
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I kept looking at the figure on the walnut in the first picture and finally decided it looked like a dog. :D Fuzziest looking wood I have ever seen. He looks like he is loving your sawing. Pretty wood. It is real rare here and I have not sawed it yet.
Thanks. I'm pretty impressed with what it looks like. When you saw some someday be prepared for yellow dust everywhere. And I mean everywhere!! Timberking sent me a couple blades for really hard wood and they worked incredible. It cut really well and absolute pancake flat!
Your yellow dust is even reaching all the way up here. pine pollen is quite invasive and everything is dusted here ::).
I thought your dog was pollinated..
just started today cuttin every board, except sole plates, on a 20x48 foot single story on slab house......
2x6 walls.... i log down and a whole herd to go.....h
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Remember "A journey of 1,000 miles starts with a single step." I guess that applies to sawing and home building. Looks good. Keep the posts coming.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on June 05, 2022, 07:19:55 PM
Those look like Michelle's legs but I can't be certain from the photos. Nice choice, I hope to use those on a project someday. The finish on that top is amazing.
Yes, I like to support forum sponsors, especially these folks who do so much for the forum, but the funny thing is, as someone who is doing fairly regular business with them these days I feel they are supporting and enhancing my business too.
That's why I have an endorsement page on my website where I recommended them and a just few other entities that have helped my small tiny business.
Yes Tom they are Michelle's legs. Jill picked those out and we bought them at the Paul Bunyan festival a few years ago. Funny thing is our daughter's name is Danielle so now I wonder if I should have used the Danielle legs for that project. She will be getting married in November so I have a Little time if I decide to make her something else. She wants cookies on every table at the reception plus some sort of slab that everyone can sign then epoxy over it. I best get sawin'
Brent
Pretty legs. It's good to see you throwing in some posts again these days!
Quote from: DbltreeBelgians on June 06, 2022, 12:43:22 PMplus some sort of slab that everyone can sign then epoxy over it.
I've planed a slab or two flat, sprayed with shellac and folks have used Sharpees to sign them at weddings. This has worked well and was really easy.
Quote from: Walnut Beast on June 06, 2022, 09:18:07 AM
Thanks. I'm pretty impressed with what it looks like. When you saw some someday be prepared for yellow dust everywhere. And I mean everywhere!! Timberking sent me a couple blades for really hard wood and they worked incredible. It cut really well and absolute pancake flat!
What kind of blades, hook, angle, tooth spacing. gullet Steve
We got this 50" white ash butt from our log supplier. I've had the log and the Granberg mill for a year and just haven't had the time or the ambition to wrestle that alligator. My logger is starting his new home build, so no more procrastination, time to mill it.
My power head is a new Husky 3120 so I should be good there. I bought the 60" kit with 10' of the ez rail and winch. I was impressed with the ez rail and I sure wouldn't want to make these big cuts without a winch.
Setup was pretty straight forward. I didn't get a pic of the ez rail.
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The slabs are 12/4 and just over 7' long. Took about 20 minutes/slab on the largest ones. Just about a tank of gas/cut at 1/3 gl. At the widest the small end was 41" and the big end was 52".
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The wood was in good shape other than a bit of an ant farm on the small end in 3 slabs. I really like the cathedral grain in ash, we sell a lot of it. Nice wood to work with. Took me 2 days to get thru this thing, I was wore out. I can certainly understand why it wouldn't take too long to invest in a dedicated slabbing machine of some sort if you were going to do much of this. Sharpened the chain twice and ended up with 9 usable slabs that took 3 gls of gas and nearly 2 gls of bar oil. That Husky knows how to drink smiley_beertoast.
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The setup did a nice job, sawed very flat and true. All-in-all I'm pleased with the outcome and the mill performance. Lets just say though,,, I won't be tradin in my Woodmizer for more chain, it's a mountain of work.
Should get 20 or so nice quartersawn boards out of this chunk.
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Thanks for recommendations of our legs!
Our legs are very stout. I have a granite 40" tall pub table (3' x 5'). We need a forklift to move the thing. It doesn't need a stringer or additional support and it doesn't wiggle a bit. They are designed to hold just about anything and to be easy to use.
In our showroom there is a 2" red oak slab table(40" x 118") 40" tall pub table. Just 2 legs, no additional support. Even with 8 people sitting around it and leaning on it the thing is solid as a rock.
and remember when quoting - you only need two not four
someone asked how much they weigh:
a pair of Alissa bench legs weighs 29 pounds
a pair of Alissa dining table legs weighs 76 pounds
I guess it is time for me to start posting more here instead of the logging post, as the sawmill is paying the bills😊 Nothing very exciting, this is a load of full cut 2x4 that is used for shipping crates.
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Like I say, it does pay the bills. I've often mentioned how the grain in white spruce can be really busy and that's why I think it is difficult to saw straight
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That's a close up of some. It really affects the strength of the lumber when the grain looks like that, too. Now this will be a new adventure. This is a load of white pine logs that will be sawn for a timber framer, I told him I don't even know what to charge as I haven't sawn many timbers. I expect it to go slow. I just told him worst case scenario that I will charge him $100/hour (they're his logs).
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Finally, a couple of soft maple logs and some mystery logs. I've been told they're tag alder (they're about 9-10" diameter) the wood is a uniform tan-orange color. I'll see what they look like when it's opened up.
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Quote from: boonesyard on June 06, 2022, 03:28:12 PM
We got this 50" white ash butt from our log supplier. I've had the log and the Granberg mill for a year and just haven't had the time or the ambition to wrestle that alligator. My logger is starting his new home build, so no more procrastination, time to mill it.
My power head is a new Husky 3120 so I should be good there. I bought the 60" kit with 10' of the ez rail and winch. I was impressed with the ez rail and I sure wouldn't want to make these big cuts without a winch.
Setup was pretty straight forward. I didn't get a pic of the ez rail.
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The slabs are 12/4 and just over 7' long. Took about 20 minutes/slab on the largest ones. Just about a tank of gas/cut at 1/3 gl. At the widest the small end was 41" and the big end was 52".
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The wood was in good shape other than a bit of an ant farm on the small end in 3 slabs. I really like the cathedral grain in ash, we sell a lot of it. Nice wood to work with. Took me 2 days to get thru this thing, I was wore out. I can certainly understand why it wouldn't take too long to invest in a dedicated slabbing machine of some sort if you were going to do much of this. Sharpened the chain twice and ended up with 9 usable slabs that took 3 gls of gas and nearly 2 gls of bar oil. That Husky knows how to drink smiley_beertoast.
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The setup did a nice job, sawed very flat and true. All-in-all I'm pleased with the outcome and the mill performance. Lets just say though,,, I won't be tradin in my Woodmizer for more chain, it's a mountain of work.
Very nice!! What you said is what I heard from a guy I know that sells swing blade and dedicated slabbers. He said what you said works great but lots of work. I'm still deciding on a dedicated chainsaw slabber
From cracks, shake what I prefer for epoxy to boring clean stuff.
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Osage Orange is absolutely amazing. Cuts like butter and flat! with a Timberking Ultra Max 7 degree blade
It is very hard, one of the hardest North American woods, so your mill must be dialed in good.
Not sawing but making chips.....I have 33 Norway Pine logs peeled and 47 to go! The curved shoe Makita planer lets me finish a log in about 20 minutes. I am making a small guest cabin this fall, 12x12 inside. Really it's the exile bedroom for the obnoxious snorers that hunt and fish with me. My intent is to copy the sauna, which aside from felling the jack pine and 2-siding on the Bandmill, was built entirely with hand tools. I hand sharpened my second Docking saw in a really aggressive rip pattern for the dovetails.
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The deck.
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Really looks good but what makes you think it won't be you sleeping in it when the rest of the gang identify the culprit and restore peace and quiet to the main bunkhouse? :D I'd add all the amenities just in case that is the case. ;)
Last 2 days sawed 12' tulip logs 18-30" diameter, into 2x4, 2x6, 2x8 and 4x4. Customer handling and his helper bringing logs and carting away boards and scraps.
4598 bf Tuesday and 4340 bf Wednesday, all by bf. Best ever.
7 silver tip 1-1/2 055 turbo 7 blades and 11 gal diesel.
Had to put truck in 4wd to pull mill out it was buried up to axle in sawdust.
Good job, you had that LT70 smokin' !! thumbs-up
A 40" sycamore rescue tree. It was in the way of new construction and if my friend had not brought it to me would have ended up in the landfill. Quarter sawed most of it 6/4. Had to whittle it down with the chainsaw to get it on the mill.
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Take An Old Cold Tater (And Wait) ~ Little Jimmy Dickens (1949) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBi_CyJe604)
He wasn't there but I went to Little Jimmy Dickens hometown of Bolt WV 45 miles away today to saw the 15 white pine logs shown below. You can't see the slope but the garden on the right is slightly downhill. Where I set up 90* downhill was very steep and when the customer pushed the logs with his tractor bucket (He could not lift them) somebody had to help guide and hold them with a cant hook or it was a long steep roll to the woods several hundred yards on a 10-15% slope.(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/38064/IMG_3139.JPG?easyrotate_cache=1654898051)
They were a few minutes late getting there but I had good help when they did show up. We sawed 1402 bf of 4/4 white pine logs cut last winter. No worms or blue stain. Very pretty boards with cants and the finished boards from 8"-12" wide and flitches trimmed out 6" or bigger (Well except for those 3-1X4's). All 10' long except one 8' log. 5.2 engine hours on the mill, 3.6 gallons of gas (Topped up full before and after so that is dead on) 4 3 bands (4* WM DH) used with one of them broken.
No after picture because the lumber was flat stacked directly on to a couple of trailers and immediately transported to the customer's son's house 10-15 miles away. The trailers were about 3'-4' from the front end of the mill on the idle side so the helpers could slide the finished boards directly from the mill to the trailer. (I love that trapezoid mill design!)
Started about 7:30 a.m. and finished about 3:00 p.m. I did stop about a mile away and left a business card with the uncle of a man who had 7-8 logs that looked to 16'-20' long in his yard. The uncle lived next door and was working in his yard when I stopped and asked. Remember II Hezekiah 4:16 "He who asketh not, getteth not." ;)
Looks Awesome Larry!!
Nice Sycamore! smiley_thumbsup
Just FYI, Little Jimmy Dickens passed away in 2015 at the age of 94. He was at the time the oldest living member of the Grand Ole Opry, he is laid to rest in Nashville.
That sycamore is splendid.
DITTO!!
Resonator,
Okay. I knew LJD had died years ago but did not remember when. My customer said LJD's nephew was one of his running buddies when he was a young man.
One thing for sure, he was one of the hardest working folks on the GOA! Great music and a consistently great performer.
Well I ain't setting the world on fire, just working out an order at a time to try and keep up. Yesterday I got about 28 2x4's out of a log for a repair order.
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It was a questionable log and I chucked a lot of the outer stuff. The order was was 12 boards but I will use the rest for saw horses and such. Never have enough.
Hey, fun fact: Did you know a LogRite peavey will sick just as well in a log as it will in the ground? This can be handy.
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Today I am sawing hemlock 2x4's. Client needs about 50 pcs 50" long. I was hoping to find a 13' big log and maybe get them all out of one log. No joy, so I will be doing a lot more work to take them out of the smaller 10' logs. At least I will get the small logs out of the way. Still trying to knock that log pile down. It's like shoveling sand against the tide.
Tom,
I am amazed at how amazed my customers are at the number of 2X4s they can get out of their log. It is fun and funny to see them when you cut several cants out of a decent log and start slicing them and they have to off bear 3 or four at a time. I had a neighbor cut a stack of nice poplar logs a couple of years ago and handed me his cut list of 2X4 and 2X6s he wanted. We cut exactly 4 times the number out of his whack of logs as what he had on his cut list. He and I were both happy.
So now I guess I should expect contestants of the various reality shows to select a LogRite peavy hook as one of their personal items for survival. I will be expecting to see naked savages spearing bears and musk ox. On the disclaimers at the bottom of the screen with a contestant fighting off or killing a lion in Africa will be the following message "LogRite does not endorse the use of this product in this fashion!" :D
Howard, has anybody ever told you that you might just be a little messed up in the head? Just askin' ;D :D :D :D
Hey, you're the one going around spearing innocent logs with a peavey hook not me. :D
I was bucking and snaking out some poplar logs from the last tree I cut when my cell phone rang and a repeat customer called wanting 8-4X4X8's. I was already bucking the logs into 8' lengths so I just snaked the top 3 out and sawed them for him this afternoon.
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The bottom 3 scattered logs are the ones I pulled and sawed.
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133 bf, one engine hour on the mill. Got his 8-4X4's and the equivalent of 9 more 2X4's salvaged as side lumber. I will offer him a discount if he can use and wants the side lumber so I don't have to stack it. 2-3 of the 2X4s are low grade but the rest is good and I can use all of it on my projects so it is a win-win anyway I look at it.
It was the devil today up here in the high country mill'in in the 93 degree heat (we don't see that high temps much) 666--- 666 BF of Ponderosa Bug Bit timber. Big knots in the blue Ponderosa sells fairly well up this way. Got lots more to haul into the mill before hay'in starts.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on June 11, 2022, 09:39:34 AMSo now I guess I should expect contestants of the various reality shows to select a LogRite peavy hook as one of their personal items for survival. I will be expecting to see naked savages spearing bears and musk ox. On the disclaimers at the bottom of the screen with a contestant fighting off or killing a lion in Africa will be the following message "LogRite does not endorse the use of this product in this fashion!" :D
"These are trained Professionals. Do not try this at home."
Quote from: bags on June 11, 2022, 08:26:53 PMBig knots in the blue Ponderosa sells fairly well up this way.
Lookin' good Dave, but I don't envy the heat. We'll have the 95's here this week. smiley_sun I am waiting to hear from my customer to see if/where I will be sawing this next week. I dry docked and haven't sawed since the 24th of last month.
I have been leaving my house at 5:30 in the morning getting to the job site at 6:30 and sawing until 12:00. This was last week and will be the same this week. I have no need or desire to saw any longer than that in this heat. I don't have the desire to saw in it that long but do have the need. :) :)
Saturday cut some boxelder logs a friend gave me last fall. Not sure what I'll do with the wood. More so just wanted to cut it because I have not cut any before. Lots of red stripes like I expected from seeing it here on the forum. Today cut up a red oak into 8/4 trailer decking.
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I've sawn all my big Walnut so working on the smaller stuff. This is some 35 inch wide crotches.
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Looks great!! How is the performance of your mill cutting the wider crotch stuff?
Not sure where to begin. I gots red oak, walnut, a couple maple, white oak and shag hickory and bitternut (I believe) hickory. Also a couple burr oak logs for lowboy trailer decking that a buddy split for me so to fit the mill and quite a pile of firewood. I got AnchorSeal on the red oak but have yet to get any of the others done. Hopefully I can trim the checked ends of the others and AnchorSeal them before they check any worse. I don't have a sprayer like @YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) has so I used a cheap Harbor Freight HVLP spray gun. Worked pretty good for a spur of the moment task. Glad I'm retired.
Brent
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Where to begin?
Brent
I am sawing again after 3 weeks of "dry dock".
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First up this morning was probably my least favorite species to saw.
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Yup a stinking ERC log. OK, ERC produces beautiful lumber and saws easily even though it dulls blades because of the silica. Unless it is fresh felled it also produces a tornado of fine sawdust which contributes to my dislike. Many times I think that I am about through with a job and the customer drags a few ERC logs from behind the barn that have lain for a few years. I just keep my mouth shut and saw them, often at no charge.
Anyway, I now move on to sawing SYP. ;D
I have heard about cypress having silica, but never that ERC has it.
I also did not know cedar had much silica. The ones I get are pretty small and cut real easy. I rarely get anything as nice as one Lynn posted above. Often the customer wants it in thin strips like 1/2" or so. I usually saw it through and through then stand it up and saw the flitches in 1" drops till I get a "pretty clean" edge then flip and edge the other side. If the customer wants it cleaner (and thinner) I'll keep flipping and keep edging till he says stop.
I do sometimes have problem with the fibrous bark on cedar stopping up my sawdust chute. (I have not removed my fingers in there like some, un-named members have done). I do find cedar seems to help clean up my bands. Buckeye also cleans them real good.
there is some in the bark, but even the wood looks like it has glitter in it if you look.
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SYP 2X12's with the side lumber being 1X6's & 2X6's.
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Eleven more logs to go. They are very nice so they should make a whack of 2X12's.
Quote from: Walnut Beast on June 12, 2022, 09:03:52 PM
Looks great!! How is the performance of your mill cutting the wider crotch stuff?
Walnut up here seems to saw real easy. Uber flat straight or crotch. My sharpener guy is good though.
Loaded up an ugly sycamore log to quarter saw last night and sawed it this morning when cool. As ugly as the log was I was surprised to get some good looking boards out of it.
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Back in the shop by 10am where I spent the rest of the day. Outside 93 degrees with a heat index of 106.
Looking good Larry! Sell that bad boy and treat yourself to the new wider frame and cut a full 38" 💪
Managed to get to 3 of 13 logs from the walnut I cut recently. Slabbed one log into 6 pcs live edge 9/4 x 10'. Sticker pile is 10 rows high! Easy lifting for the Takeuchi TL 150.... Now for the tough part: leave to dry; try to sell; make something out of them for myself/family? One thing for sure, I HAVE to get my cordwood cut/split/stacked ASAP, 'cause I can't afford heating oil at present prices! All the best, Rob.
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Nice! It's a good time to peel the bark off. Some light hammer whacks on the bark and peels right off
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Quote from: fluidpowerpro on June 12, 2022, 07:39:20 PM
Saturday cut some boxelder logs a friend gave me last fall. Not sure what I'll do with the wood. More so just wanted to cut it because I have not cut any before. Lots of red stripes like I expected from seeing it here on the forum. Today cut up a red oak into 8/4 trailer decking.
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Been really eyeing my boxelder and thinking about your eye candy! There is quite a few along my creek
It cut really easy and was fun to see what was inside. I'll find out if it will dry straight. I read up on it after and I guess people use it for turning. Had I known ahead of time I would have cut some into turning blanks although someone could still glue the 4/4 together and then turn it.
For those of you have cut it, how does that color hold up in the boxelder? Awful pretty stuff!
It's never as bright as when you first open it up, dulls when it dries. But as soon as you plane, joint and finish it, the color comes to life again.
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My first job after "dry dock". 1920bf of mostly 2X12's with 1X6's & 2X6's side lumber.
My next job (depending upon the customer getting help) may be starting tomorrow and will also be SYP framing lumber.
EDIT: I talked to the customer last night and we will not saw until next week. Hot as it is, I am glad. ;D
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Edged some dry pine boards for the floor of my planer shed build.
Had a plan but switched midway so not optimal result. Took this:
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and made these (1@8x12 and 5@5x9):
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and this (3.25x25x17' and 5x6)
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and a few other side planks and girts size stuff.
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Cuttin' the curves. ;D
Best repeat customer and his wife wanted benches for around the campfire. So he got a piece of pine from a pile that was destined for OWB fuel, and brought it over to saw. I cut some about 2 1/2" thick slabs out of it, and I found it worked best to face the curve in towards the backstops to get every inch of cut width. Not sure if it was a log or a limb, so we'll cross our fingers and see how it dries. :D
Quote from: Resonator on June 19, 2022, 11:29:07 AMNot sure if it was a log or a limb
If you apply YellowHammer-isms, it don't roll so it ain't a log! ;)
It may not roll, but if you put it up on edge it will rock and that has to count for something, right? ;D
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Cut these out of a bent poplar tree last year.Made some pretty nice benches and a table top.Amazingly they stayed flat.
Was cutting a couple pitch pines that were leaning and just a matter of time before they uprooted.In the process a dogwood tree was damaged badly.Hated to cut it but it wasn't salvageable.Decided to cut a few small boards out of it.Heard wood is really hard and makes good felling wedges.Going to give it a try. Anyone know any other good uses?br>(https://forestryforum.com/gallery/albums/userpics/68995/14DEED7D-4694-409D-AFDE-99E74489C9BA.jpeg?easyrotate_cache=1655668975)
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Really good for handles on chisels, knives, etc. excellent for carving mallets. You can turn a nice billy club from dogwood. Never sawed into boards before.
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There is something very satisfying in cutting down a tree and milling it into boards,
Here I am squaring the ends in one shot.
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And then there they are. The floor for the planer shed. 1 1/4X8X8
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There is something very satisfying in cutting down a tree and milling it into boards,
Here I am squaring the ends in one shot.
Is there a kit you can get to convert one of those skill saws. Does it work pretty good ?
Prazi makes them (Prazi Beam Cutter) for about $150 on Amazon. Basically a chain saw with a guide for straighter, plumber cuts. Not as good as a regular Skilsaw or circular beam saw but gets the job done. I like my SawSquatch by SkilSaw - uses a 16-5/16" circular saw blade. First class cuts with that one but they list for over $700. I bought 2 around $250 each and sold one for ~$500 - so mine was "free".
Edit: Just looked on Amazon and the SawSqatch 16-5/16 is no longer offered on there.
Interesting. Wow you got lucky on that deal !! They still make them it's called the super and it's magnesium. 700 bucks!
I went to SkilSaw's website and click on the Buynow link for Amazon and it popped up one. That search engine on Amazon is getting worse each day ::)
I had a Makita that I bought used. I didn't like it - the motor is on the left and I'm right handed. You had to lean to the right to see the cut line. Also, the Makita was heavy with a real weak stamped steel shoe that was kind of small for the size of the saw.
The new one has the motor on the right side so it is much easier on my back trying to follow the cut line. There are two positions for the front handle depending on what/how you're cutting. And then there is the stand/carry case? for it - real handy. Plus, it has an electric brake so you don't have to wait for it to wind down - which took a long time on the Makita when you're spinning that big of a blade.
Those curved boards were beautiful and should make great benches. I have made them where they were so off center I had to put a 5th leg in the center so they did not tilt over backwards.
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Another use for longer thicker curved piece like that is for a unique curved fireplace mantel by just squaring off the back. I had 2 3" cherry mantels that curved from about 7" wide at each end to 12" in the middle. One man was building a house with 2 fireplaces and bought them both.
I have not done it but I can't see why where should not be a market for them for bars or islands or such.
Well done. great post!
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Finish up this job last Thursday. Worked 8 half days. 16208 bf. Mostly long leaf pine a little cypress cedar and poplar. Only hit 5 nails and destroyed 5 blades. The customer is a tree service guy so several yard trees.
Looking good Craig !! 8)
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There is something very satisfying in cutting down a tree and milling it into boards,
Here I am squaring the ends in one shot.
Is there a kit you can get to convert one of those skill saws. Does it work pretty good ?
Skil also sells a chainsaw version now:
SKILSAW SPT55-11 16 In. Worm Drive SAWSQUATCH Carpentry Chainsaw - - Amazon.com (https://www.amazon.com/SKILSAW-SPT55-11-SAWSQUATCH-Carpentry-Chainsaw/dp/B07NR7921V/ref=asc_df_B07NR7921V/?tag=&linkCode=df0&hvadid=385272107002&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14017414262346438585&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9009793&hvtargid=pla-824640413936&ref=&adgrpid=78829231656&th=1)
First reports are that it works really good.
Customer dropped off a trailer full of RO logs for me to saw into decking for the 24'x 7'8" trailer they are sitting on. 5 logs, 16' long, 14"-18" dia small end. Nice size, not too big.
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Too dam# hot today, 93 with high humidity, so going to wait until Wednesday. Supposed to cool down to 76.
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There is something very satisfying in cutting down a tree and milling it into boards,
Here I am squaring the ends in one shot.
Is there a kit you can get to convert one of those skill saws. Does it work pretty good ?
Yes they work good. It is a Prazi. I picked the Skil saw up for $20.00 at a yard sale and the beam cutter on Ebay for $75.00. It will cut 12 inches thick.
Very cool!
Too Hot to saw today but I did anyway.
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19 of the 25 logs that greeted me this morning.
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I haven't scaled the lumber yet and have 6 more logs to saw tomorrow morning. Mostly 2X4's, 2X6's & 1X10's.
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The customer's homemade drawbar mounted grapple. It worked amazingly well.
Lynn,
How do you keep certain members from threatening you with the sticker police when you flat stack lumber like that? :D
Pretty lumber. Stay careful in this heat.
Ain't worried about the lumber nor the sticker police. ;D
The lumber drying shed is nearby and I have sawn a good whack of stickers.
Lynn I'm glad I been laid up since Friday with cellulitis in my left leg. I've had a good excuse to stay out of the heat. 😂 Lot better today though.
too bad the whole country doesn't have your work ethic M.M.
Nice grapple!
Thanks.
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I finished with 4515 bf of mostly 2X4's, 2X6's, 2X8's & 1X10's sawn in 11 hours.
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Howard, I'll have to dedicate these stickers to the sticker police. :D
Now I am off for the rest of the week. ;D Too hot to saw anyway!! smiley_sun
Made a few felling wedges out of dogwood boards I cut.Kind of hard to do with old miter saw.l guess I need to rig up a jig of some kind.Still have a few boards and would like to make several more to give away to friends who cut wood.If nothing else they are pretty and would make a good conversation piece.
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All you need to cut wedges out of a cant are a set of toe boards and forgetfulness. ;D
They tend to be a little long for practical use from my experience. :D
Quote from: Magicman on June 20, 2022, 11:36:50 AM
Looking good Craig !! 8)
Thanks Lynn
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Thanks.
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I finished with 4515 bf of mostly 2X4's, 2X6's, & 1X10's sawn in 11 hours.
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Howard, I'll have to dedicate these stickers to the sticker police. :D
Now I am off for the rest of the week. ;D Too hot to saw anyway!! smiley_sun
Nice looking lumber Lynn as always
Finished sawing this load of logs today. 5 RO logs, 14-18", small end.Only used 4 of the 5 logs supplied to get what he wanted for trailer
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deck boards. Ended up with 12 pcs, 2 x 8.37 x 14.5' and 12 pcs 2 x 8.37 x 11' for a total of 427bf. I had no help. I do have a small skid steer to move things, but it is too small to move these logs so everything was a challenge. I'm shot. Nothing is easy cutting these heavy boards.
I would like some honest feedback as far as how good I'm doing. This job took me 11 hrs which I think is too long. Still up in the air about how to charge, by the HR or board ft because at the rate I'm going, if I charge by the hour, the customer is getting taken, and if by the bf, less than I want to make.
To revisit my equipment. I have a Hudson HFE 36, 16hp, modified with power raise, lower and setworks. Manual feed through log. The bed it's on is full hydraulic with chain turners.
How long should this have taken me?
Based on some of the numbers I see from others on here I think Ive got a lot of improving to do.
Yes, I know.... No stickers. The customer is picking up tomorrow and going to put on trailer wet.
with a manual mill, and little properly sized support equipment, and working by yourself... it is what it is. The cost of purchasing and maintaining support equipment but will improve your efficiency. you then need to make some for you and some for the equipment. what is your theoretical charge by the hour vs by the BF. where else can he get full 2 x 8 oak boards. when I charge it is 100 bucks an hour. and I usually get a tip, for custom sawing someone else's logs. Included in that time is education about stickering ect. I send links to forum threads ect. I do charity work and I do the good buddy system.
I have a fully hydraulic mill, and cat 277 track loader. If you are slower with less equipment and less help, you also have less overhead cost. you will have to account for that. If you just got your mill, then you will be slower and that is not billable to the client. my two cents.
Thinking about it more, I did have a small issue with the mill yesterday so it was more like 10 hrs. I also forgot to mention that the logs were 16' so I had to buck them to the length he wanted. How long would this job have taken you with no help?
hard to say. some days are perfect and others not. loading and unloading and making the cant take some time x 4 logs. the boards themselves go fast. I hate to say, but I think 3 to 4 hours barring mechanical issues ect. that includes unloading and loading on their trailer ect.
I may have milled them all at 16 and he could trim whatever end had and issue, and to hit on a cross member ect.
I charge by the board foot of lumber produced. If I have to trim a log with a chain saw, I charge for my time doing this extra work.
Jim Rogers
I wouldn't be trimming logs shorter for a customer unless they didn't fit on the mill.
fluidpowerpro--with equipment I have which includes skid steer, log deck and LT 40 manual with added-on hydraulic loading arms, and working alone, I figure 1 hour per log on average. That includes loading log onto saw deck from log deck, sawing, stickering by hand on ground or on platform placed on skid steer forks, disposing of off-cut slabs, removing sawdust, cleaning up machines at end. I typically work no more than 1/2 day at the mill; too many other demands of my time. I work slow & steady and get it done. Last night after dinner, from 6:30 to 8:30pm, sawed two 14" x 10' white spruce logs which turned into ten 2x's, some 8", 6" down to 4". Before leaving, loaded mill and log deck from PATU forwarding trailer with 6 white pine logs, so am ready to saw immediately (after fully lubing the mill which I always do before sawing). Listened while sawing to Red Sox sweep Tigers which made it doubly enjoyable. Enjoyment 100%, stress 0%. Hope my experience is helpful to you. All the best, Rob.
Oh Wow, I just went and looked at my next sawing job which is for a professional home builder.
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25 tree length Cypress logs from 38' to 60' long. The butts ranged from 20" to 28" with no butt flairs. The butt end will be bucked to 20' 3" and we will work the tops out depending upon what they will saw to meet his cut list. The butts will all make timbers and side lumber.
I will start this job probably the 2nd week of July. 20' 3" means no operator's seat and no umbrella. smiley_sun
In hindsight, I think I need to factor in the size of the wood being cut. These RO boards at full 2" were really heavy. The 14.5 footers I could barely offload by hand. Most often I had to use the skid steer/ forks for the boards and slabs. If I was sawing dimensional 2 x 4's out of pine, it definitely would have been easier and faster. Regardless, I need to improve.
Lynn,
Wow! Let me get a new bibb!
Do you need to remove the rubber bumpers on the ends of the mill for the extra working length? I sawed about 80 20'10" cabin logs last year and had to do that.
Just consider the walk along as part of your fitness training for Colorado this Fall. Maybe you should ask the customer to put them on a slope. :D
Time wise that was probably about what I would have in that job with my set up. Especially if I include cleanup time/moving and stickering time. I have good support equipment and a similar mill.
FPP, I thought about your question since you posed it, I don't think your 10 hours 'leaves a long way to go.' I think that is fair. I have a 328 (less HP, no log loader, and manual board handling) and I could do a log an hour but not for long if it were hot and it had to be a good log.
Like you, I worked in industry all my life and time is money, so you try to same time (or in the case effort/expense) by being as efficient as possible. I found I spent a lot of time setting up logs for opening cuts with no toe boards, dogging the log, and making rotations. Also, some logs you have to stare at for a few minutes to figure out how to best mill them, and that can take time. So I concentrated on streamlining those steps.
Also how I edged boards and when was an area I improved in over time. Taking boards off, and then putting the back up for edging was not always the best way, but always took the most time. One of the nice things about a manual mill is you can "feel" the cut and can adjust your speed with that feedback. On the bigger mills you have a lot more HP, but you lose that feel so you sometimes have it cutting slower, or faster, than it could/should be, losing time or quality.
Handling steps are important too. So with your machine I am sure you pull the forks up to the mill and slide your boards onto that then bring them to the pile as a batch. If not, consider that.
It just takes time to figure out what works for you. Keep at it, but don't rush it. When I run the LT50, especially in the beginning, almost all the things I killed myself doing on my mill went away. But I still had to read the log and create a plan for each log, handle slabs, move the lumber etc. It was like starting over and I was very slow. Even on the LT50, an hour a log was a good day for me as I figured it out. Now I can do 4 bigger logs in about 2.5-3 hours and I am happy with that, but I keep working at my methods and I know that will continue to improve. Still rethinking things in many ways. I will never crank out product like MM, CS, TT, and YH. My goal is to get it done the best I can, and my best is still a work in process. If you just think about it and evaluate each step as you go, you will find your own epiphanies along the path to make you faster. Just keep at it. You are making pretty wood. :)
I think the first thing that needs to be identified when comparing sawing and handling rates is what you're sawing. You've identified that you're basically handling slabs alone. A completely different efficiency and sawing rate vs 2x's, 1x's, light lumber. It's always a good thing to be trying to tweak our efficiencies, but sometimes extra time is the only answer.
I charge by the hour when sawing and handling large, heavy product.
Thank you all for your feedback. With every job I'm getting a better idea what's possible with this mill and my equipment so I will only get better. Either way, I enjoy sawing so all is good.
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I just turn the slabs off the mill and roll them onto the tractor forks.
Flitches to be resawn are stacked on the horses.
Finished lumber is slid off the mill onto the tractor forks.
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I know you all share the feeling but I get a big kick when I need lumber and just get a log and cut it.
12' 4x4 for the top plate on the planer shed.
When I want good beams or posts I always flip 180 and check that I am sqaure with the rest on cuts 3-4.
FFP l couldn't have cut those logs in one day. With my mill I couldn't make any money cutting someone else's logs.I have been making a little but use my own trees.Basically I have been selling lumber for what I could get for the tree if it was delivered to the log yard.I have no way to haul enough logs to make it worth my time and gas plus yard won't buy off people without
logging credentials.I enjoy sawing and when I get to tired I quit.I make enough to buy blades,chains ,etc and being my mill was fairly inexpensive should pay for itself by the time it has a couple hundred hours on it.Plus I have all the lumber I need for any project I come up with.
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and there is that 4x4 I needed.
a beautiful day here in upstate NY. everyone have a great weekend. Rich
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Good help is hard to find. These two just want to swim in puddles and eat wood all day.
I've got a fellow wanting 650' of 1x4 pine.The only pine I have is pitch pine but I've got some pretty straight ones and I priced lumber at .75 a board foot.Got 180' out of one log so I might have enough logs on deck.Not making a lot but gives me a reason to saw.Should make $100 today if I get half of it cut.Looks good so far.Seems to stay straighter than poplar.
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Cut out my rafters this afternoon. Now if I can get Bridget to lay them out and hang them for me.
Wow - nothing added here for a week. Must be getting hot or a holiday or something. ::)
A guy got off the graveyard shift and brought me 2 walnut boards about 3" thick X 18" wide X 5' long to be resawed and split down the middle. A quick and easy job and he was happy. I usually just tell them no charge and I'll get it off them on the next job.
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Today a guy brought me 5 locust posts to square into 4" X 5". I was able to get 7 posts for him but some of them had bad spots from hollow heart and such. The guy was a repeat customer and seemed happy with what we got and understood the wood would only make what it did. I did not get a before or after picture of the posts - just the slabs.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 05, 2022, 11:44:19 AMWow - nothing added here for a week. Must be getting hot or a holiday or something.
Yup, I could be sawing and I have two previous customers kinda "stomping at the bits" but we are still at the Cabin sorta taking it easy for a few days.
I don't post on this thread regularly because y'all think if there are no pictures it didn't happen. But I will add that I stopped all advertising about 6 weeks ago hoping to slow down for the summer. I'm about caught up (only have 56 pine logs to saw into 1x's at my leisure) so I'm not looking for much business right now either.
Yesterday, after pulling some heart pine out of the hot box to set the pitch, I planed a cypress live edged slab. I noticed that it had little brown streaks with ambrosia beetle holes in them. I've never seen ambrosia cypress before.
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We probably won't be sawing until after 7/20.
That is quite interesting. I have never seen ambrosia streaks in softwoods.
Was contacted about a tree (red oak) that blew down in a cemetery. A coworker of mine was cleaning it up for free since the cemetery fund wouldn't cover hiring someone, but he wasn't able to do much with the bigger parts of the tree and wondered if I wanted it. The lower parts looked pretty nice, so I was able to get a 10 ft and an 8 ft log out of it, each about 35 inches or so in diameter.
The logs were too large for me to handle, so I cut them into chunks and then hauled them to Kentucky to mill. Was able to get about 1200 board ft of quartersawn and rift sawn 1x6, 1x8, and 1x12 lumber out of it, which will be the flooring in my cabin (the 1x12 that I use for flooring will be ripped down to 6 inches).
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Wife out of town, so two of my kids were able to help me out a bit.
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The following are all 1x12. I was able to get quite a few very clear boards out of this bunch, but even the ones with knots didn't have many to speak of.
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Looking good 👍
Quote from: KenMac on July 05, 2022, 09:13:58 PM
I don't post on this thread regularly because y'all think if there are no pictures it didn't happen. But I will add that I stopped all advertising about 6 weeks ago hoping to slow down for the summer. I'm about caught up (only have 56 pine logs to saw into 1x's at my leisure) so I'm not looking for much business right now either.
I quit advertising around 5 years ago and still too busy, most time when I get calls now I tell them I don't have logs. I still do custom jobs but string them out. Steve
A couple weeks ago a friend from church dropped off a burl that he wanted sliced. So I built cookie sled 1.0 that I could clamp to the saw using the log clamps and went to work.
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Slices - at 2 inches thick on the saw scale which left them at about 1-7/8 thick. The other half of the burl which is not shown here I sawed at 1 1/2 on the saw scale.
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If this type of job comes up again I think I may build sawmill cookie sled 2.0. which will fasten to the rails using the log clamp mounting holes which will let me have a much wider table.
Looks like it worked pretty good.
I did not saw anything on the mill today, but I did plane few boards that will become deli shelves in Tampa. They wanted wide, blue pine. We do not have any dry, wide, blue pine. The customers settled for longleaf heart pine. Some of the boards had a little blue stain but a couple were also curly.
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For those of you who work with sappy woods, like heart pine, I tried a new (to me) concoction today to clean up the planer beds on my planers. I mixed mineral spirits and Johnson's paste wax into a slurry, and it cleaned the sticky sap better than anything I've previously tried. I had run this pine in the hotbox prior to planing at temps in excess of 160°, but they still made a mess of the machines.
Cavey,
I'm getting a craving for a nice Reuben sandwich from just looking at those boards. I am sure they will be a big hit with the customers and work great as a display.
I started with this:
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And ended up with these:
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Two 8x8, three 8x10, three 8x12, one 8x15, three 2x8, one 1x8 (all 33' long), fifteen 4x6x8' and one 5x9x12'. Total of 2,573 bdft. The only problem is it took 2 days to mill! ::)
Quote from: ljohnsaw on July 07, 2022, 01:27:27 AM
I started with this:
And ended up with these:
Two 8x8, three 8x10, three 8x12, one 8x15, three 2x8, one 1x8 (all 33' long), fifteen 4x6x8' and one 5x9x12'. Total of 2,573 bdft. The only problem is it took 2 days to mill! ::)
Ok, so it took
TWO days. How much would that have cost you at the lumber yard?
What do you think the lead time would have been?
GAB
John are you saying you got all that from ONE log!?
How did you do the offoading and flipping? By your self?
I agree with what GAB said. We often lose sight of that comparison.
Those long beams would cost a small fortune.......
Or a large fortune !! :P
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I finished this framing lumber job this morning, mostly 2X4's & 2X6's. Tomorrow's job is for another repeat customer 36 miles away.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on July 07, 2022, 11:04:10 AMJohn are you saying you got all that from ONE log!?
Yes! The butt log from the Ponderosa tree. I have the second log to do (slightly smaller diameter but 35' long).
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on July 07, 2022, 11:04:10 AMHow did you do the offoading and flipping? By your self?
I have a SkyTrak 9038 that could lift one end at a time. Set it on some blocking and let it roll off, lift and repeat. I have better blocking now (waste from this log) to make a better Jenga tower (see the whole story here (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=66160.msg1919051#msg1919051)) for the next log. Yeah, by myself. Always keep a machine between me and the log!
Quote from: WDH on July 07, 2022, 12:14:41 PMThose long beams would cost a small fortune.......
I got the two logs plus a short 17' and a very knotty 10' on one load. Only had to pay the transport of $600. So this first stack of beams was ~$300 plus my free labor.8)
I don't have any flat land to stack/store these so up on the deck is where I put them...
I also have a 48" x 16.5' cedar to mill up at some point. Probably make a nice dining table and perhaps the counter tops for the cabin. I'll see how tight the grain is and how durable it would be for that.
Just finished sawing this trailer load of 8 Red Pine logs + 1 Poplar. 7 @12' and 2 @ 8'. 10 -14" dia small end. Final Talley,:
21, 2x6x12
12, 2x4x12
26, 1x4x12
9, 1x4x8
3, 2x4x8
2, 5x5x12
413 bf
Great weather, had some fun.
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Nice work Tom.
I am back sawing for a customer that I have sawn for a couple of times this year. Here is what he is building:
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All of the logs came from his property. I am presently sawing the last 20' X 12"X12" timber but I have no idea where it will be used. I just saws um and leaves um. ;D
I should finish this phase of sawing Monday or Tuesday.
:laugh:Cut two pitch pine trees that a couple years ago I would have put on a brush pile.All 1x4 or 1x6's.I can't believe how true they turned out compared with poplar.They laid flat all the time I was cutting.l got 300 board feet.l have got a guy wanting them.Priced them at $300.If he doesn't want to pay that I'll keep them for myself 😀
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You guys and your big stuff. I milled 1x6x6 ERC today. I had a guy ask for 1x6x6 and originally I told him I could only do 8' long, but i decided I could get some 6' logs from my property across the road. I went over there with the mule to bring them out. It got too hot by noon, so I quit for the day. It will be much nicer tomorrow, so I will do 20 more for him. I probably don't have the logs for enough short ones, so he will get some 8 footers to finish out the order. He asked for a couple 2x3, which will be easy enough.
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Big day @ the mill. LOL. Cut my friend some 5/4 decking from a small hemlock log. He is going to replace a few bad boards on his deck. Have you seen the price of this at the lumber company. WOW!
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Big day @ the mill job two. Friend at work needed some pine planks to make an outdoor bar for his wife.
Had a nice aged log with some nice blue stain. Three 2 1/4X8X8. One odd width board.
No profit today both orders were free!
Finally after a long delay I got another log on the mill. My third log to be exact. The first log turned out good, and I learned a lot. The second log was an complete disaster. Now this Red Oak log turned out great. Long story short the hand crank winch was too much work, and the pull start Kohler engine was a pain because if you turn the engine off you have to get on a ladder to pull start the engine again... So I swapped in an electric winch, and got a battery on the mill. What a upgrade. Loading the log was super easy, and electric start on the engine is a breeze. Now I have about two dozen Red Oak 2x4x8's. Pretty wood, came out very clean and beautiful grain which I failed to highlight in the picture. The new Kasco blade I put on cut very nice. Didn't hit any log dogs this time!
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Also it was so nice to be sawing again. Gained a lot of experience with this one. First time cutting 2x4's and it's much easier to handle and stack afterwards vs the previous stuff I attempted. Next time I will be ready with a cut list so I can speed up the process as I spent a good twenty minutes after getting it down to a cant before I figured out what I wanted out of it. More prep and planning next log!
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Actually future sawing. My wife got a call yesterday from the old school secretary from her teaching days. The lady is now a widow living alone and said this walnut tree had fallen against her house and wondered if I wanted it. We went over and while they visited I cut the tree into firewood, stacked the bigger limbs and cut about 20' of the butt into small logs I will go back and get later.
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A brushpile near my truck
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A stack of firewood scattered across her yard for her gardener to stack along with a bunch of small limbs and leaves and green walnuts from the tree. Once I got the top moved I could see damages included gutter issues and two metal handrails and the brickwork where the handrails were mounted into the brick steps. Fortunately no apparent structural damage or even any broken windows.
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Nothing huge but I'll get a few boards, 8/4 LE slabs and maybe some 9/4 square stock for bench legs. I'll return with my 5X8 trailer, a cant hook and maybe a couple of small poles to parbuckle these onto my trailer while my wife visits some more. The wood is not worth the trip and the effort but helping a friend is.
Howard, I like the idea of Walnut bench legs out of smaller logs. Hope to try some soon.
You are a good man, Howard, even if a little bit educationally misdirected. Tigers are not native to Alabama or North Florida, and Eagles hunt, not declare war. But your catfishing prowess and appreciation for peanuts, hushpuppies, and grits cooked the proper way, give you a big advantage on being reformable.
I milled some very small post oak for a guy this morning. I wouldn't cut it that small for myself, but he was happy with it. Then it was time to take my tractor front tires off to take in and get new ones. It's really nice to be able to pick up the front end with the loader. I took the wheels off and then set the front end down on some blocks to keep the load off the loader all day. I got the new tires back on about 5:30. It will be nice to not have to air up the tires constantly.
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Finished again.....again.
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I'm ready to make the last turn and saw down to the final 12"X12"X20' on this job.
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It started out as a 34" butt log and the side lumber made lotsa ¾" stuff.
I have no plans to saw anything for the rest of the week. Too Dang HOT !!! smiley_sun
FFOTS
I had to have a front flat repaired a week ago on similar sized Kabota. It already had a tube in it so it was replaced. The guy said next time tires will probably need to be replaced because of dry rot. :( I don't look forward to 2 new fronts. Rears are same age. :o
I also like having a front-end loader to avoid the use of a jack!
Samand... I considered some fix a flat or slime and I could have made these tires go further, but they had pretty good dry rot and cracking on the side walls. The rears are still in great shape. I spent a bit over $400 with mounting for the 2 tires.
When I had one of the front tires off my Kubota and took it to get a patch, I asked the tire guy what they had for choices when it came time to replace. One option was to use skid steer tires, same size as the fronts, but more rigid with more plies.
As for sawing, I've been working on some construction projects lately, so my sawmill's been resting quietly. zzzz_smiley
These that I got are supposed to be skid steer tires.
Shame on me...I turned on my kiln today for the first time in about 8 months. Kind of hard to make money selling kiln dried hardwoods when you never dry any. I put some elm, some red oak and walnut in there. Some short walnut slabs with crotch figure are gonna be really neat. Perhaps I can sell them at a premium or I will make a coffee table and see if it sells.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on July 11, 2022, 03:30:00 PM
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Actually future sawing. My wife got a call yesterday from the old school secretary from her teaching days. The lady is now a widow living alone and said this walnut tree had fallen against her house and wondered if I wanted it. We went over and while they visited I cut the tree into firewood, stacked the bigger limbs and cut about 20' of the butt into small logs I will go back and get later.
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A brushpile near my truck
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A stack of firewood scattered across her yard for her gardener to stack along with a bunch of small limbs and leaves and green walnuts from the tree. Once I got the top moved I could see damages included gutter issues and two metal handrails and the brickwork where the handrails were mounted into the brick steps. Fortunately no apparent structural damage or even any broken windows.
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Nothing huge but I'll get a few boards, 8/4 LE slabs and maybe some 9/4 square stock for bench legs. I'll return with my 5X8 trailer, a cant hook and maybe a couple of small poles to parbuckle these onto my trailer while my wife visits some more. The wood is not worth the trip and the effort but helping a friend is.
You are a good man.
Quote from: samandothers on July 12, 2022, 10:20:58 AM
FFOTS
I had to have a front flat repaired a week ago on similar sized Kabota. It already had a tube in it so it was replaced. The guy said next time tires will probably need to be replaced because of dry rot. :( I don't look forward to 2 new fronts. Rears are same age. :o
I also like having a front-end loader to avoid the use of a jack!
my fronts are dry cracked and I put green slime in a few years ago so far so good.
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Doc Hagley came over. we had picked up a locust (honey) and a maple (soft). big ugly trunk but as usual it turned out to heave some great figure. still have one too big for the mill and will have to bibby it down.
then Roger (ED pharmacist) came over. he had a few oak logs from a railway right of way on his Dad's property out in Hays, KS. (Fort Hays State University) He has a couple old trucks. He brought his wife Roxie's truck. a 70s ford, owned by her grandpa and passed down. it has a dump bed, and it needs a new bed floor. you guessed it, oak boards. Roger has a newer on also and it need the same treatment. nice it came from his childhood farm.
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Jimmy @Jim Thomas (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51700) can hear the sound of engines from a block away, so he came over to see what we were up to.
wood for two floors and some live edge shelves from the off cut.
Ks state flower.
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Quote from: firefighter ontheside on July 12, 2022, 03:04:50 PM
I spent a bit over $400 with mounting for the 2 tires.
OUCH! Pay to play.
I had assumed slime would not help with a tube in the dry rotten tire.
I have traveled through Hays, KS many times so I suppose that both of the trees in Hays were felled. :D
he said they had flooding by the rail right of way, and the trees died. there are quite a few, but only 15 to 24 inches in diameter large end. we had trouble getting a 10 inch cant our of these as they had a slight curve as well.
This was the second log from the big Ponderosa pine. 39" x 35'.
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Took a small slice off the top to reveal a 17"-~25" opening face. Took a 8" slice off from there:
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Then another 12" (actually closer to 13" for trim up later) that was 38" wide. At the limit for my mill as there was a ¼" or so of wave.
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Then the final bit I could flip and take another 8" cant.
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The result:
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Shown here were five 8x12 and one 8x15 but also produced an 8x8 and a 2x8 - all 35' long for a total of 1,984 bdft!
And a bit of firewood (one of 3 loads):
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Really cool! How long did it take to to saw it up?
One day to break it down into the big cants, one day to make the beams and then put them back on the mill to true up the wavy edges (top and bottom) and cleaning up around the mill. Got real good at slinging and half rolling without crashing them on the mill. That's where some help would have really come in handy. Lots of climbing on and off the SkyTrak. Did something stupid on the last cant and I knew better. I backed up the blade to fix a perceived rise in the cut only to pop the blade off the wheels. That took a good 45 minutes to correct ::)
Oh, yeah. Did I forget to say I love my new tractor? Much better than a wheelbarrow!
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We're going to start sawing on these today . Our first tow of the season . Three hour tow and we had these 95 to the mill . Approx 2 hours to place them ashore .
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We also sawed a few birch cookies .
Quebecnewf
I love seeing those tows and da cookies ain't bad. 8)
Quebec, do you have a process to dry cookies without them splitting.
John, I keep wedges at the mill to widen the kerf in case I have to back out a blade. or if one breaks in the cut. If they are in the shop, I would be tempted to just back up slow. I have gotten away with it, and have also ruined a blade or two, as they came off and got mangled up. that is some impressive sawing and big sticks.
Quote from: doc henderson on July 18, 2022, 07:22:32 AMJohn, I keep wedges at the mill to widen the kerf in case I have to back out a blade.
I was just tired and hot after a 10 hour day and being extra stupid. There wasn't even a rise in the blade - it was a change in grain direction that made the blade look as if it took a rise. I used a Magic kerf cleaning tool (section of blade with duct tape handle) to clean out the wet sawdust after I removed most of the cut off edging. It's just that that (Tom) edging was an 8x8 piece. Looked like a quartered 16" diameter log!
i did the same thing day before yesterday and got away with it. Just enough to make us think it will save time to just back up slow. i usually keep the blade running when i do, and it makes a mess when it does not work. 1 hour in this weather can cloud our judgement. :D
Like that log raft pic, makes me think of history photos and how many entire forests were floated down stream to the mill. smiley_thumbsup
That Ford pickup Doc's customer has would have to be an early 70's if it's a 70's. They used that same body style from 1967 to 1972, would have to see the grill to know for sure.
move_it
It is a 1972 3/4 ton F250 2wd. 300ci in-line 6 with a 4 speed transmission. tilt bed. Rodger said to fill it with more grain, they had home made bed extenders that his "old man" referred to as Tip Tops. they went on all 4 sides. they would leave the seed wheat in it in the shed for the next planting. They actually live outside of Natoma, Ks. the trees came off of paradise creak that runs through the property into the Saline river, and ultimately Wilson lake. (https://forestryforum.com/board/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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No special way to keep them from splitting . Some do and some don't .
Work with or around the cracks is my way .
Quebecnewf
I sawed a quickie 1195 bf job this morning. I spent 3 hours sawing twelve 10"X10"X10' Cypress timbers with side lumber. Back home for lunch.
I know that species, thickness relative to diameter, and drying conditions make a difference. maybe I should start a thread. i have had the best luck in my drying container (approx. AC space) and stacked with stickers. also after soaking in denatured alcohol, and drying in a box to slow things down.
My son cut some rough looking Red Oak logs and I went up to his place 10 miles up the road this morning to cut them for him. Mostly deer blind material but a few boards for future flooring. For sheeting on the deer blinds he had me cut them 1/2" thick. You know you can cut a lot of coverage out of a small log cutting it that thin.
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One before and no after pictures. This was the only 12' log in the bunch and it made 15 - 2X4s. We were too rushed for him to get cleaned up and off to work. Lots of black ants, sawed the tail off one salamander and found a pretty good nest cavity in one log. All total about 1004 bf/sf in about 8 logs. It was hard work but always good to spend time with my son.
We got soaked in a quick thunderstorm on the next to last log. It passed over and we finished before he had to go to work on the swing shift. I packed up and came on home and put everything away.
I smelled some burning belt and see pieces missing from my drive belt so that is the next project to replace it.
Of course it was important! It was for deer hunting 💪
Is this shake? Or just normal discoloration as wood approaches rotting?
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is that sycamore? it rots easy.
Did a little 250 BF of LE Doug-Fir today for a wedding next month--- another 300 BF on Wednesday to fill their order--- sure is hot up here in the high country--- upper 90's.
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Quote from: doc henderson on July 18, 2022, 08:07:48 PM
is that sycamore? it rots easy.
Yes it is sycamore. Should I bother with getting those logs? It doesn't feel soft at all in the brown areas. Those logs are all about 28 inches or so in diameter
they all kind of look like that. it is great quarter sawn, and can be stabilized with epoxy (low viscosity) if needed.
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During yesterday's sawing I smelled a belt burning and noticed a chunk out of my drive belt so today I went to put my spare on. (I probably should post this in the did something dumb thread but I removed the bolt holding the clutch/brake assembly so the belt would fit. Afterwards I realized that was not needed. All I needed to do was remove the little shoe/guard for a little more space and disconnect the spring to the tension arm and remove the old belt and jump the new one on then adjust the tension to specs.) When I went to put this 3/8" X 2" bolt back on it broke so I had to rush to the local hardware and get a replacement and the spare shown above.
I don't know what caused the chunk to come out of this belt. I think it is the 3rd one in the mill in 1183 hours (Original and this is second replacement). I did learn how easy it really should be to replace the next one. I'll order another spare in the morning.
Looks like you went back with a Grade 8 bolt.
Loaded up some sycamore today. Some of it has problems, some of it looks good from the outside. Hoping to get a bit of quartersawn out of it, maybe will use as flooring.
Shipping it all to ky here in a week or so. Milling there costs 4 times less and thats where my flooring needs to be anyway....will post some pictures once its milled.
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Quote from: Magicman on July 19, 2022, 09:23:38 PM
Looks like you went back with a Grade 8 bolt.
Yes but so is the broken one. Its hard to see in the picture due to the discoloration. The parts manual calls for grade 5 and I broke one before and my hardware store did not have it in grade 5 so I got grade 8 back then too.
I broke a ½" Grade 8 bolt a couple of weeks ago. They are tough but yup, it can be done.
A Grade 5 will bend before it breaks but not so with a Grade 8.
A couple years ago I broke 2 bolts on my JD tractor that my repair guy said were equivalent to about a grade 10. I don't know what diameter they were but was part of my transmission. Fortunately it was really an easy fix and could have been a lot worse I was told.
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I set the sawmill up this afternoon on the Cypress logs that I will begin sawing tomorrow morning. Twenty-five tree length logs from 40' to 60'.
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The Prentice loader will grab the logs and swing them around to the sawmill. All of the logs except one will be bucked to 18'4". The one exception will be 38' and I will saw an 8"X12" timber from it.
All of the jacket slabs will be 2"-3" thick and are the main target for this sawing. They will be nailed onto the outside and inside of the house and chinked between to simulate a log house. The "inside" lumber will be 1" & 1½".
I will saw the entire job "hourly rate". There ain't no shade beside my umbrella so it will be HOT.
That should be a great saw job, MM. Are you going to have to take your seat off to saw those? If so, you will get your steps in. JMoore and I have been busy with other things, so we have not been able to saw much lately.
A Motherlode of cypress logs.
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I wanted to run a test log through the mill after replacing the drive belt yesterday so I grabbed this scrappy 8' walnut upper log and sawed it into some 8" wide 4/4 boards. The mill saws fine but the lumber was crap due to splits in the log itself so I will just use of for stock on projects around here. The cant was off about 1/16" from front to back so I'll check the rail heights and run another log through before my next job.
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Quote from: caveman on July 20, 2022, 08:18:49 PMAre you going to have to take your seat off to saw those?
No seat removal so the umbrella can stay and no walking. I will remove it to saw the 38' timber.
I'd love to see a video or lots of pictures on that 38' beam.
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The Prentice is doing a good job of bringing the logs to the sawmill. Grab it and
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swing around.
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Position it beside the sawmill loader and then grab another.
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I have sawn a few with crotchy and also some pecky.
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A pecky log.
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But the unusual thing about this job is that the principle cut list is for 3¼" slabs and then the cants being sawn into 4/4 random width. I'm leveling the top of the log before sawing the slabs and then taking the wedge off of the cant before sawing it.
I think tomorrow we will saw a few timbers from the cants.
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then Roger (ED pharmacist) came over. he had a few oak logs from a railway right of way on his Dad's property out in Hays, KS. (Fort Hays State University) He has a couple old trucks. He brought his wife Roxie's truck. a 70s ford, owned by her grandpa and passed down. it has a dump bed, and it needs a new bed floor. you guessed it, oak boards. Roger has a newer on also and it need the same treatment. nice it came from his childhood farm.
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Jimmy @Jim Thomas (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=51700) can hear the sound of engines from a block away, so he came over to see what we were up to.
wood for two floors and some live edge shelves from the off cut.
nice truck!!
My Cypress sawing is going very well but it's strange getting ~3¼" slabs first.
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The slab pile is growing.
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There is also a nice whack of 4/4 lumber plus ten 3X8's & 6X8's. Next week we will saw some 8X8's & 10X10's.
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I am seeing a fairly large number of pecky logs. Here is one that had a carpenter ant colony that was nice.
My thoughts were that I would finish the middle of next week but...
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This rolled in this afternoon and the truck driver said that this was only the first load. :-X
Our plan is to saw the 38' timber tomorrow morning. Yikes !!! :o
How are you sawing 38' logs?
Thankfully it's not but one Dan.
It goes on the sawmill this morning and I will take pictures of our loooong experience. :o
This rolled in this afternoon and the truck driver said that this was only the first load.
With enough loads that could be a 150Mbdft job.
Enjoy and stay cool
GAB
Sawing a Cypress Timber on an LT40 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=119755.0)
Oh boy. Nice job!
Monday we will bring those heavy slabs back to the sawmill for re-sawing. There was too much intense activity this morning to take the time to be concerned with slabs. Our total focus was the timber.
I must say that I had 4 excellent tailgunners and also enough support equipment to get the job done.
This post deserves exposure in the "does the customer really help" thread.
I've done 30 foot resaws of old beams in a commercial yard for a good customer and can still feel what this takes, even though its been a while.
MM,
Great job. Thanks for the photos and explanation.
(I moved my laptop and lost the rest of my post. ^!_B$()!@)
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I started this job 14 miles from home. Mostly WO and RO (and the customer can't tell them apart). One stray pine slipped it. The fog in the picture at 7:00a.m. did not last long and there is no shade and no breeze so were shut down at 2:00 p.m. instead of 3:00 (The customer had a family event to go to tonight so we knew it would be a short day). We were pretty wrung out and the early stop sure did not hurt my feelings!
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Wide WO 4/4 boards and the end. A few 10' 4/4 oak under some 6X6 posts. One RO was pretty sweepy and the customer did not know if we could get a 6X6 and was very happy with it.
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A 4.5' Pine cut to 5" LE benches for the wife. I am always happy to accommodate such requests where possible. If the wife is happy, the customer is happy and I am happy.
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Mostly 4/4 boards on the stack with a row or two of pine 2X4s. Some were edged while most on the bottom were one side edged.
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Here you can see the cabin logs and on-going cabin build down the hill from the sawing site. It is going to be a very big cabin on a tall ridge overlooking the Greenbrier River. If tomorrow is as bad, and it is predicted to be so, I may be beating a path to that river.
The customer is only available on weekends and there are more logs down the hill to be moved up to the landing. It is promising to be a real slow project working around weekends, weather and both our family schedules and commitments. Tomorrow will be another short day as they need to break camp and head home. With the hot weather that is no problem for me. We did not run a tally today but there were 4 hours on the engine.
As I write this we are having a toad strangler of a thunderstorm but it seems to be running its course.
That is a long beam. those guys looked like they know what they are doing!
Really have to love a Wood-Mizer with a talented sawyer.
Yes, they are the carpenters that will be hanging that timber and using the lumber that I am sawing.
I have had 3-4 tailgunners all of the way with this job. For a while there was 6. It's hard to take a picture without at least one person in it. It's good but it won't last.
The log truck loads of logs are at the same location but for another customer. Kinda confusing. A logger bought the Cypress logs for the customer (home building contractor) that I am presently sawing for. I am set up at his log truck yard. It's the logger that is now bringing logs for me to saw. He is emptying his log stash and has ERC, Red & Post Oak, Sweetgum, Walnut, Cherry, Cottonwood, Sycamore, and whatever else. I didn't take a picture of it unloaded because my phone never would have talked to me again. It's a mess. ::)
Wowzers! That is an impressive beam cut Mr. Magicman, looking down the length the perspective almost reaches the horizon! :o
That dangle head grapple loader is definitely the right machine machine for that job.
Nice stack of logs WV! smiley_thumbsup
Great job by a great sawyer! I assume you are enjoying the experience. Seems your mobile sawing has become stationary, at least til the log yard guy runs out!
MM,
Man, that is a lot of work! I'm stationary and soooo glad I built my track for up to 42'. The 35s I just finished were a piece of cake compared to what you had to do!
Thanks Magicman for the pictures and explanations. That was quite a project. I am impressed.
How long did that take you and how did you charge them for that project? Hourly rate? Flat fee?
I went back to my site 14 miles away today to continue sawing there. It was so hot and we were so wrung out I clean forgot to take final pictures when we stopped sawing today. We had 5.5 hours on the mill and got off to a great start with fog and cooler weather. We had about 2300 bf for the 2 days. Lots of 4/4 oak, an assortment of 8/4 one side LE slabs, 6X6 posts and today I started sawing a lot of 3/4 stock. We were surprised by a couple of maple logs and even one small hickory sneaked in. They were very happy with both and earmarked the maple for future cabinets, the hickory for a table or such and set the slabwood aside for smoker wood.
When the sun broke through with no shade or breeze we only sawed a couple more hours then called it a day and penciled in Labor Day to continue. The wife was very worried yesterday due to a slow start and progress but things clicked today and she told me she was much happier and confident now. We tallied the lumber and they paid me with a $100 bonus.
I packed up, came home and unhooked the mill and removed the prefilter and washed it then knocked most of the sawdust out of the filter but when I went to put it back on and tightened the wing nut the stud broke flush with the mounting. It looks like only about 1/8" broke off - may 2-3 threads. Now to see how hard that is to get out and repair. It looks simple but ....
I am still sawing Cypress. I counted thirteen 18' and a couple of 9' left to saw so we may finish tomorrow with the Cypress.
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Cut some Hemlock and Pine 1X8 to finish the roof on the planer shed and start the siding. Purchased a new American (Maine) made bark spud. Works great.
I like the look of that bark spud. I'm betting you get many years of happy service out of it. Thanks for posting.
cut a few ERC logs today. sawdust Jimmy is making potting benches for the masses. here is an 18 foot 4x4 I did for fun.
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got to do some "uncutting" after my buddy Jims (we brew beer) son stuck his face next to their dog and got him riled up. not vicious but too rambunctious. sewed him up in the shop. head lamp, readers, and a table saw for a table.
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Thanks for helping him. Been bit more than a few times from the mutts that I sleep with and love. Life is good, you just need to understand it. :)
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The Cypress job shown above is done. There were 25 tree length logs from 36' to 60' with the butts as large as 32". Most of it was bucked into 18' 4" logs.
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The main objective was to produce as many 3¼" slabs as possible, so I leveled the top of each log and then dropped the blade 3¼" to produce as many uniform slabs as I could. These will be debarked and used on the exterior and interior of a duck hunting lodge and chinked between to produce what would appear to be a log structure.
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The wedge was removed from the remaining cant which was sawn 5/4 X as wide as possible. I sawed hourly rate which is very unusual for me, but then I have never had a job like this.
The tailgunners will scale the lumber shown above tomorrow.
As a side note, the landowner (not the customer) brought in a log trailer load of logs for me to saw, but he will have to wait his turn as I am already committed to another customer after this Cypress job.
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A variety of logs including Hickory, Black Locust, Cherry, Red Oak, Magnolia, Elm, and whatever else that I have not identified.
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Plus this Walnut in the foreground and ERC in the background. I'll move back to him when I finish my other commitments. That plus some medical issues to attend to. :-X
Quote from: tule peak timber on July 26, 2022, 08:09:00 PM
Thanks and good on you for helping him. Been bit more than a few times from the mutts that I sleep with and love. Life is good, you just need to understand it. :)
Lynn,
I'm sure glad you made that decision to slow down and cut back on your sawing. :D
Geez I hate to follow and epic MM post! Those are some slabs you are cutting aside, but I get it.
@richiway is that a Peavy mfg. co spud or a Garret Wade spud? Just curious. If/when I buy one, I'd like a longer handle. They just seem too short at under 2' or so.
Doc, how come you didn't show us the stich work? I am trying to learn here and the last time I did one of those the Doc doing the followup said I needed some pointers for the future. ;D (although he complimented my ability to avoid any infection.) Apparently I was lacking in 'style points'. Everybody is a critic. The way I looked at it: "nobody died". :D
Correct Howard. I finished today and will continue tomorrow sawing SYP framing lumber. 8)
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on July 26, 2022, 08:17:54 PM
Geez I hate to follow and epic MM post! Those are some slabs you are cutting aside, but I get it.
@richiway is that a Peavy mfg. co spud or a Garret Wade spud? Just curious. If/when I buy one, I'd like a longer handle. They just seem too short at under 2' or so.
Doc, how come you didn't show us the stich work? I am trying to learn here and the last time I did one of those the Doc doing the followup said I needed some pointers for the future. ;D (although he complimented my ability to avoid any infection.) Apparently I was lacking in 'style points'. Everybody is a critic. The way I looked at it: "nobody died". :D
My apologies Lynn I can't figure out how to unscrew my computer mistakes.
:D Sounds like the story of my life. If you screw up enough you have created your "you" and folks think that you are somehow normal.
I confess to a "fat" finger when it comes to the Google button.
Now that it's down in the mid 80s, it's time to tackle some locust. First of three loads.
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turned out ok. I hope to not start a whatcha sewing thread. :)
You are just handy everywhere Doc!💪
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on July 26, 2022, 08:17:54 PM
Geez I hate to follow and epic MM post! Those are some slabs you are cutting aside, but I get it.
@richiway is that a Peavy mfg. co spud or a Garret Wade spud? Just curious. If/when I buy one, I'd like a longer handle. They just seem too short at under 2' or so.
Doc, how come you didn't show us the stich work? I am trying to learn here and the last time I did one of those the Doc doing the followup said I needed some pointers for the future. ;D (although he complimented my ability to avoid any infection.) Apparently I was lacking in 'style points'. Everybody is a critic. The way I looked at it: "nobody died". :D
Peavey Manufacturing.
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Got stress?? :D
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Back to sawing framing lumber today. 2412 bf of 2X4's, 2X6's & 2X8's sawed in 5 hours.
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I have been sawing a few logs for a neighbor who lives about a mile up the road. He brought me this big ugly red oak stump and helped me load it on the mill. He wanted it cut into planks 2 and 3 inches thick and maybe some 4x4s.
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My sawing head is all the way up so this is where we start the first cut.
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This oak had been down a while and the wood was dry but the mill behaved very well and got the job done.
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Happy sawing.....Cutter
Quote from: Magicman on July 27, 2022, 07:52:59 PMGot stress?? :D
Gotta ask MM, if you left the beam under that stressed flitch, would that beam warp and do weird things? I'm asking because I cut a couple beams out of a large SYP, had some stress on jacket boards also. Two years later the beams did warp some so I put them back on the mill and trimmed them a little. Just wondering if they will continue to misbehave.
Actually that cant got sawn into 2X6's and amazingly only that jacket slab showed stress. That was one of two that acted the same way. I have seen that happen before but probably not quite that drastically.
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What I might be sawing...
Good repeat customer texted me about a possible portable job within an hour from home, drove out to give him a ballpark estimate. Mixed bag of Oak, Maple, White Cedar, Black Cherry, Red Pine and "Pulpwood" Poplar. Sounds likely I will get the job, but I've learned the hard way not to count my chickens before they're hatched. I don't even count them after they're hatched. I wait until they start peepin', and cheepin', and peckin' at the corn. And then, and only then, do I start checkin' the chicken addition.
Making an hour+ trip to check a "maybe" job causes me to make up for it on the travel/setup charge. Stuff like that can usually be handled with a couple of pictures and text.
Yup, they'll be a travel charge added to the milling job price.
JMoore and I sawed about 4000 linear feet of 1x4's this morning for a guy from Plant City. John joked that he would probably show up with a single axle trailer. He was right. The customer showed up with a single axle, 12' long aluminum trailer with fenders and high sides. I put one of the four packs of lumber on the trailer and it nearly lifted the rear tires of his half ton truck off of the ground. We let them secure their load and suggested they keep it under 35 mph to avoid the tail wagging the dog. He paid in full and will evidently make some more trips next week.
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Going to cut some more siding for the planer shed today. Enjoying the most perfect weather here in Upstate NY. I see the heat wave continues over much of the U.S. Don't know how you guys get used to it!
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Fear knot the pine top from the tree service.
You have knotty lumber in your future. ::)
Probably some wavy knotty lumber!
The guy was pretty happy with his knotty 3/4 x 7's for a shed lap siding-out of his ugly log.
Didn't get pics of the English walnut I milled yesterday but video which will come out in a few weeks.
Meanwhile this is some black locust from a job last month. Just scraps the customer didn't want so I snagged 'em and will see what I can do once dry, but I left leaning against the work bench due to back trouble. ow stickered though so we shall see.
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Not hard to find a home for pieces like that.
Kinda looks like a fish. fishin-smiley
and it is swimming. :) scuba-smiley
Only took me 2 beers and a shot of crown to see the fish--- probably cause'in you had them swim'in both ways. That sure is some nice look'in grain though.
When I say I am trying to clear out the junk logs, well, this one is typical.
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The sweep was bad enough that with the clamp all the way up I really couldn't get a grip, so I kept the chain turner up there to stabilize it for the opening cut. And yes, this was the best way to start, the other options were worse (see that burl?).
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You're asking "why?", well it's either make usable lumber or burn it in the OWB. I only got 16 1x8's out of this, but that probably better than burning it. The other 8' I bucked off this log will go in the OWB. That was worse.
Some days you eat the bear...
The customer only wants to hear those magic words "your order is done."
I am wore out! Loaded and hooked up the mill yesterday afternoon. Got up and left the house about 5:20 a.m and drove 70 miles to a many times repeat customer.
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The previous trips were to saw the framing in the shed in the background. The customer built it to store some of his equipment and supplies but his wife decided it was better suited for a line dancing venue so guess what it used for now. :D
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Here is the whack of logs to be sawed. Mostly ash, some hickory, black locust and some American elm. This guy has an excavator and a big JD tractor with forks. He'd load the logs with the tractor by suspending them over my loading arms and I'd lift them with the mill so no hard banging or such. When I'd finish a heavy beam or post the customer would change to his excavator under the shed and the helper would put a choker on and hook it to the excavator, the customer would swing it to the stack and the helper would free the choker and stack any 2X4s I had cut as side lumber. Note the paint on the end of the logs.
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Here is the customer's cut list. He has done this before and this works real well for all of us.
At the end of the job a conservative tally was around 1860 bf. Many of the smaller logs only required 4-6 cuts to get a beam or post and maybe a 2X4 or such. The larger/longer slabs were too heavy for one helper so I ended up helping the helper and by the end of the day we were both pretty wiped out.
One big maple (see the blue paint) showed itself but after much wailing and gnashing of teeth I finally got 3-3.5" X 12"X 12' stair stringers out of it. The last ash log (See left end of pix) was big, odd shaped with a big cut off limb. We had thunder and threatening rain all afternoon and it finally started a light rain on the last log. To add to the joy I ran out of gas on it. It has been a long time since I ran through a complete tank of gas but we had 7.8 engine hour on the job and some tough sawing. I used about 6 blades - none broken, just dulled.
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Posts and beams. A couple of live edge 8/4 slabs the customer and helper "rescued" before I could edge them into 2X4s.
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2X4s.
We finished 12 hours after we started with a short break for lunch. I collected my fee with a very nice bonus, loaded hooked up and got home about 9:00 p.m, covered the mill and will unload, unhook and perform my 1200 hour service tomorrow.
I have been sawing framing lumber for my BIL off and on since the end of May. We work at it for a couple of hours in the evening sawing until dark a couple days a week. Work really messes with hobby time. Since I retired a week ago, I have been able to work mornings and get much more accomplished. It's been too hot to saw in the afternoons though (especially since I don't have to). I finished up sawing a fair sized wack of logs yesterday. We were sawing mostly hemlock, pine, ash, and maple that my BIL and his boys cut out of their maple orchard last winter. He is building a large hay storage barn at his farm and needed this framing lumber and boards to build the gambrel roof to go on top of the existing structure. The last log was a 30" pine that the boys came hauling in at the last minute. They cut it into a 16' and 8' lengths. The 16' log was a bit of a challenge to get on the mill as all he had was a mini excavator. All the farm tractors were off haying and had loaders removed. The lumber from this big 16 footer was very good quality for a tree that had been standing for a year with the top broken off. I did the math with help from my cheat book from Hudson Forestry. I appears we got 322 bd.ft. from that one log (small pile in picture). I think I am going to enjoy taking my hobby to a bigger level now that I have time. I just need to spend more time taking pictures at appropriate times to better show what I am working on. Much of the lumber we sawed was removed to another covered area as we sawed. What is pictured was from the last few days.
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Fun times for sure!
Dear OG:
Concerning the log in the first picture in reply 1120 you needed to rotate it 90° and saw fire pit benches.
GAB
Probably too long for fire pit benches but a nice thought. I had several yesterday similar to that one that were challenging especially with the size and the curves that would not allow the head to pass and such.
I opened my e-mail this morning and found a thank you e-mail from my customer which was a classy touch. He had already given me a nice bonus for the work but he knew it was a long, hard day and I still had a long drive home. It is nice to be appreciated once in a while. :D
Sometime with crooked logs, and if the cut list will allow, I will lay the largest and straightest portion on the sawmill bed and saw it as a shorter log. You will usually still get a few full length boards and the rest will be shorter and the bf yield will usually be more. I virtually never shorten a log because there is still recoverable "meat" in that top end. If you buck it off, it's gone.
Quote from: GAB on August 06, 2022, 10:18:07 AM
Dear OG:
Concerning the log in the first picture in reply 1120 you needed to rotate it 90° and saw fire pit benches.
GAB
Benches were not on the cut list and when it's near 100°, I cut what's on the list and get out. :D
Believe it or not that was the only 'hold' I could get for my opening cut. At 90° for that I had the sweep hitting the head column and at the other rotation I had the burl hitting the column.
I did the best I could with what I had and where I was.
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I have spent the last week finishing up framing lumber for BIL's gambrel roof on new hay barn. We decided to give cutting out truss components a try on the sawmill. We used some scrap boards cut to fit over a couple of cross bunks and an 8' backer 2x6 to go against the squaring arms, we were able to fit 26 1''x8 +10" boards in place at a time and saw them all at the same angles. We cut one side of the peak at a time. Then we flipped them around to saw the other angle. I used a log dog to clamp 13 pieces together on each section. It worked much better than I had anticipated. Biggest problem was remembering not to raise the saw at the finish of each cut. Kind of a force of habit when sawing normally. I am sure others have used this method, but it was a first for me. We got done in about an hour what would have taken days on a table saw and would have been difficult to cut consistently.
Dear GF:
The name of the game on a lot of speciality requests is FIXTURING.
Those that can imagine it, and execute it, will be more successful than those that can't.
Starting with scrap or sacrificial pieces as practice pieces is desirable when dealing with high value material.
I cut some tapered pieces for leveling a floor in a home. The first 3 or 4 tries went in the scrap pile.
I did get the customer what he wanted.
For your next challenge, if you are daring, try cutting octogan posts for a porch.
GAB
What are peoples thoughts on using 1 by boards for truss components, nail boards ? I have only seen plywood used and I assumed it was because of the different grain orientation.
I would use ply so it does not split under stress, and I always like glue as well. also I think staples hold better than nails, and less likely to shear than screws.
Quote from: trimguy on August 09, 2022, 12:12:32 PM
What are peoples thoughts on using 1 by boards for truss components, nail boards ? I have only seen plywood used and I assumed it was because of the different grain orientation.
I think it depends on what you are building.
1" would be ok for a dog house, however for a 20' or wider structure I would not recommend it unless you are doing a model.
GAB
I have used OSB for sheds and smaller stuff.
Quote from: trimguy on August 09, 2022, 12:12:32 PMWhat are peoples thoughts on using 1 by boards for truss components
If I did it my choice would be a spiral grain species such as Sweetgum, Elm, etc.
Thanks everyone. When this Georgia heat goes away we are going to build a sawmill / air drying shed at my buddies house, it will be 30' wide. I just thought maybe we save a couple of dollars not having to buy plywood.
Toured a truss factory years ago, all the trusses were built with steel tie (gang nail) plates, workers had portable hydraulic press to clamp each joint. I've done similar building small trusses (just hammering them on) and they've held up well.
Quote from: trimguy on August 09, 2022, 08:29:58 PM
Thanks everyone. When this Georgia heat goes away we are going to build a sawmill / air drying shed at my buddies house, it will be 30' wide. I just thought maybe we save a couple of dollars not having to buy plywood.
Don't really see where boards would be a problem, but then we really have not seen how you plan to use them in place of plywood. Not a direct substitute as need to adjust to compensate for the qualities of plywood over boards.
How about filling us in??
I was going to use them as nail plates on the joints in the truss. I didn't know how much chance there would be of the grain splitting. 1 by nail plates on full 2 by truss material.
Quote from: trimguy on August 09, 2022, 08:29:58 PM
Thanks everyone. When this Georgia heat goes away we are going to build a sawmill / air drying shed at my buddies house, it will be 30' wide. I just thought maybe we save a couple of dollars not having to buy plywood.
If you have any big subdivisions under construction drive through them and you will find all kinds of osb scraps in the dumpster. A lot of odd shaped pieces from the roof. Ask first but they give it away.
Do not cut the plywood to fit on the truss joints, just staple (hold better than nails) and glue down any old way. Next come back with a router using a pattern bit and trim to the truss. It's super fast and easy.
Have not sawed for a few weeks and was getting depressed so I decided to saw up 3 gnarly Red Oak logs I've had sitting around. Yes, they do show signs of PPB but sawing them still cheered me up.
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Feels good to hop back on the horse for a bit don't it? I haven't run my own mill since April of '21, too busy making lumber down the road and I surely would like to clean out the logs I had cued up back then. Not to worry about the PPB's, just spray the heck out of them. Good oak is good oak, dry it and make something fun.
Spray with Bora-care?
that's what I'd use.
Your logs are too wet for powderpost beetles. They only infest dry wood. Your beetles are most likely ambrosia beetles and they cannot live in dry wood so they leave once your boards begin drying. They are not an issue except for the little black lined holes that they leave behind.
However, once your oak boards do get air dried below 20%, they are certainly at risk for powderpost infestation, and spraying with borate now is a good plan if you plan to use the wood for inside use or furniture.
Thanks for the info. The boards have some small holes in them, about the size of a pin head, so I assumed PPB.
Ambrosia Beetle holes with the black stain is actually a character plus with many woodworkers. I know that it was with me back when I had a cabinet shop.
Some furniture makers will add some black dots to a finished cabinet, etc. to mimic Ambrosia Beetle holes.
I have seen faux ambrosia beetle holes in furniture too.
This is probably not the right thread to ask this question, but since is about the oak pictured below, I'll ask it here. Last spring someone reached out to me asking if I had any 4/4 red oak boards and what I would charge for it. I gave them a number for wet boards. I won't say what I quoted because quite honestly I didn't have any idea of what to quote, and I still don't...
This person told me he was exploring costs and were in the early stages of setting up a business making some sort of craft item to sell. Forgive me, I forget what it was exactly.
Just out of curiosity, I reached out to them today asking how their venture was coming along. He responded and said that they have started mfg but are not up to full speed yet. I asked if he was still interested in wood from me and he responded that they are buying 4/4 ro boards, kiln dried, and planing down to 15/16. They want select grade, at least 5" wide. All of what I have is wider than 5" so that's no big deal but I need to learn about grading because I don't know what I have.
I did look into the cost to have kiln dried and was quoted $200/1000 bf, 500 bf min, plus .10. / Bf stickering charge, so basically .30/bf total. I have never had anything kd before. Does that cost seem reasonable? I would have to drive about 75 miles each way to drop off and pick up, so that will be some cost I need to account for also.
In summary,
1. Is that cost for drying fair?
2. How much can I reasonably charge for this wood?
I would quote it delivered assuming I can drop it off on my way back from picking up at the kiln.
Any guidance would be greatly appreciated.
Tom
I'm not sure I would put wood in my kiln for that. It seems cheap, especially for oak.
If I had some one close offering me that I'd jump on it but the mileage would stop me as I'd see that as 300 miles for a one time test. If it worked out and you could drop off and pick up a load each trip to reduce the cost to make it more attractive that might help your bottom line.
What MC is he promising to dry it to? Did you ask if he would plane and edge too? If he can do so and his other finish work is in line with the cost for his drying service you may have a great deal in the works. You should certainly be able to gage your costs better.
All job offers are not necessarily good job offers, especially with that many unanswered/unanswerable questions.
Maybe the learning experience would be worth it but I would never bet more on an uncertain venture than I could afford to loose.
On the Hardwood Market Report, the difference between green lumber and kiln dried lumber for FAS red oak was 68.5 cents/bf the last week. This report is the average wholesale price of hardwood lumber sold the prior week for tractor trailer load minimum.
Your guy's cost for kiln drying is less than half that of the market value difference between green and kiln dried lumber from the most efficient operators in the business. Hmmmm.
I did some more dectective work this morning and found a guy only 10 miles from me that charges 375/1000bf and he will bring it down to 11%.
Being he is so close that's who I will try.
Once I have it dried, what's a fair selling price?
Woodworkers need it at 6 to 8% for some projects. Steve
That price seems really good, at least to me. We are bringing some slabs for drying this week coming and we are paying $1.00/BF mostly because of energy costs, the kiln had to raise their rate. I am just stabbing here, but you could charge based on the wood condition. If they are edged, planed, and the bad stuff is pulled out, the price goes up quite a bit. For mill lumber that is just kiln dried, I should think you could add on twice, or 3x what the added cost is to you for the drying (in addition to your log and sawing price). Let us know how it goes.
As for that 6-8% number. I think that is going to be a tough nut to achieve because most homes won't hold that ambient humidity and I have no idea how you would maintain a lumber pack at that level, at least, not around here, in the summer.
When I test the moister in my house In Mn it's at 8%, wood heat in the winter ,air conditioned in the summer. Cabinet shops will want it at 6 to 8 %. If left outside it's going to take on moister unless dead stacked and wrapped in plastic. After kiln drying it needs to be stored in a heated and air conditioned building. Steve
I agree, for inside use 11% is not dry enough. If used inside, it will shrink more. If they only dry to 11%, that is barely less than if you let the wood air dry under a shelter.
Quote from: WDH on August 13, 2022, 06:28:53 PM
I agree, for inside use 11% is not dry enough. If used inside, it will shrink more. If they only dry to 11%, that is barely less than if you let the wood air dry under a shelter.
Danny:
Correct me if I am incorrect, based on what I'm reading the price quoted is high for the work or drying offered, if starting at 15% air dried.
GAB
As I mentioned in the Reverse Roll Quarter Sawing (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=93851.msg1925320#msg1925320) topic, I started a mostly White Oak QS job this morning.
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This is what greeted me this morning. A Red Oak log with White Oak in the background.
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I walked around and found the Red Oak 2nd log plus the White Oak butts, etc.
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The first White Oak log loaded up.
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The customer counted 153 growth rings.
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The 4 hydraulic side supports worked very well.
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The top half "Jelly Rolled" off and then 4 slices taken from the center.
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Yes, there was some nice QS figure in most all of the logs. The customer was happy.
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The customer kept the sawmill well fed.
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A nice whack of QS White Oak.
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And on the left is some QS Red Oak plus some random stuff including some 4X4's, etc.
We sawed all of the large 20"+ logs and I will return Tuesday to saw the scrappy stuff. We will probably take the center boards and then make 4X4's & whatever else the logs will yield.
As the others said, 11% oak is going to move. That's even a touch high for pine flooring.
Nice looking oak. You sure make that mill sing, M.M.
Nice! That's a good bit of QS wood. I'm glad it went well.
Gerald, my point is about the result, not the price to get there. 11% is OK if the wood is not going to be used for paneling, flooring, furniture, etc. which will be used inside a climate controlled space. So, drying to only 11% does not get you where you need to be if you want to sell the wood for its best use. If you are not going to take it down to furniture grade specs, you may as well just air dry it and save yourself the money.
As to the cost of kiln drying, if the large, most efficient producers are selling their rough hardwood for $69 cents/bf more, wholesale and large quantities, for kiln dried versus green, to me, that sets the floor for drying cost. Why would I charge less if I am operating a business?
Quote from: YellowHammer on August 14, 2022, 07:33:54 AMNice! That's a good bit of QS wood.
We QS'd 7 logs that were 20"- 30" butt. The lumber looks deceiving because of the 3-4 board stacks that were not separated. It's all 8' and I have no idea of the bf.
I will go back Tuesday and clean up the junker stuff, mostly into 4X4's, etc.
I noticed that in the picture, it looked like you had things going easily enough that you were not having to check for fleck on each board, and getting them to off bear multiple boards at a time.
Quote from: WDH on August 14, 2022, 07:50:06 AM
Gerald, my point is about the result, not the price to get there. 11% is OK if the wood is not going to be used for paneling, flooring, furniture, etc. which will be used inside a climate controlled space. So, drying to only 11% does not get you where you need to be if you want to sell the wood for its best use. If you are not going to take it down to furniture grade specs, you may as well just air dry it and save yourself the money.
As to the cost of kiln drying, if the large, most efficient producers are selling their rough hardwood for $69 cents/bf more, wholesale and large quantities, for kiln dried versus green, to me, that sets the floor for drying cost. Why would I charge less if I am operating a business?
Danny, I've never dealt with a kiln for drying wood. My thinking is it is quicker timewise to go from 15% to 11% than going from 11% to 7% (7% being the average 6% & 8%). That, and the fact that no sterilization is mentioned is why I am thinking the quoted price is dear.
Now if my thinking is wrong please enlighten me.
GAB
Quote from: YellowHammer on August 14, 2022, 01:33:41 PMit looked like you had things going easily enough that you were not having to check for fleck on each board
On the first few we saw that if the top wedge was OK, then the entire stack would be. Measuring to the pith after turning and before sawing any "cant" was the key to success. I took lotsa steps measuring.
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Biggest log I've had on the mill so far, and turning this sucker manually took quite a bit of effort and time. My winch pulled it up on the mill no problem, but I need another hook from Logrite to use the winch to turn it to save me a lot of time and energy going forward. And then moving the 6x6, 5x4 timbers I got out of it by hand.... Part of me wishes I invested in a better mill from the start, currently looking for a forklift to solve a lot of my problems moving and loading logs. Plus if I got a forklift I wouldn't need to move my mill around to load every log I could just set it up stationary permanently. This log was sitting in the yard for about a year, noticed some mold on it. Lots of work to do going forward as I need to speed up the milling and stacking process. It's just taking too long to do this all manually.
That's the big key to the Jellyroll, after a few tries, you "know" when it's right and don't have to trust to luck and check every board, but just keep sawing.
The whole measuring the pith and gunbarreling is frustrating to me, especially since I saw alone. I know what you mean by "Lotsa Steps." I've got an old car backup camera I've been wanting to rig up so I can see both ends of the log at the same time, but there should be a better, simpler way.
MM, it seems you did a good job measuring the pith. You really nailed it in the picture of the log with the center boards cut.
A new customer found my website (so that works) and called asking about sawing. He already had 3 logs on his trailer and was about 20 miles away. I told him I could do them today if he liked so about 2 hours later he showed up with 3 elm logs. Two were 17' or so and we cut them in half to drag them off with my ATV as my tractor is off getting a pedicure (Foam in a front tire).
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I had company in the front yard when I started out so I let her feed and move along then I went and got a tarp, blades, cant hooks and the ATV and got ready for him.
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12' Upper I cut into 2X4 (1.75"X3.75") for him.
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After bucking here are the other 4 8' logs sawed into dimensional 2X4
and 4/4 boards (Mostly 1X12's).
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Two engine hours and just over 490 actual bf yield. He took some of the slabs wood with him, the rest I will cut and throw in my cart behind my ATV and take to a neighbor tomorrow.
So much for your neighbors mailbox :D.
Elm 2x4's, is he building one of those "wonky chicken houses"? Build it square now and wait for it to dry, lot less complicated carpentry that way. :D
Danny,
If you mean the stickers sticking out, he cut them off flush before he strapped down his load.
SS,
I warned him before we ever sawed the first cut that elm was real bad to twist and to be sure to put lots of weight on them and hope they dried straight enough he could use them.
I don't saw much elm around here. It is beautiful wood and this sawed like butter. Looking at the bark I first thought it was some type of red oak. I was not sure it was elm till I cut the first slab off. It was a very wet wood practically dripping moisture.
Hi all. July 10 I cut down this white pine and sawed eight logs from it.
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I sold the first three logs then stored the other five up off the ground in the barnyard.
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I left them there for five weeks to let the sticky sap dry out. A couple days ago I started sawing them into lumber.
The first one was a nice log...about 16" and nice and straight. I love logs this size...small enough to handle easily, yet big enough to get 12" wide boards.
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Of course not all logs in a tree are nice ones. This one was the last log up the tree but it gave me a cant I could cut 7" boards off of.
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In the end I got a nice little stack of pine lumber drying.
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Happy sawing.....cutter
Nice cutter..... 8)
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I finished my White/Red Oak job today. No QS and really no lumber, just square stuff from some crooked, ratty "logs" for table legs, etc.
No bf tally, just hourly rate for 11 hours plus a 10% tip. Both the customer and I were happy. :)
Wow - 4 days between posts here on this thread.
I got a call from a guy 15 miles away yesterday who said he had 4-5 oak logs he wanted sawed. I have a couple of orders for stuff I have to cut off my place but my tractor won't be ready (Front tire getting foam filled) till Monday so his timing was perfect included cooler weather with thunderstorms threat for the afternoon so I loaded and hooked up last night and met them there at 7:00 am this morning.
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The logs were in a wood line but they had a skid steer with a bucket and grapple. There were logs from 2 big red oaks and the butt logs both exceeded the specs on my mill so I had to whittle them down to make them fit. We ended up with about 8 logs and 1335 bf of 4/4, 6/4 one LE for counter tops, and 5 nice 4" mantels from 18-20 inches wide (Clear surface). We finished about 3:30 pm with thunderstorms still threatening but I missed it there and on the way home where it had already hit.
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4" one LE mantels on bottom. 6/4 one LE for countertops.
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Temporary stacking so they can move it with the tractor forks to their shop for storage. The client says he is going to build a kiln. He has been paying high prices for mantels so was happy to find me and I like the idea of sawing 4" thick slabs.
The customer is a general contractor who had cleared the oaks to build the house on the site. The client did not want to cut the trees but they were in the way and had to go so he promised he'd use the wood in the build and they were mollified with that answer. (You can see the house under construction in the background.) This promises to be a very good arrangement for both of us.
I love one day jobs this close to home I can sandwich in between other projects especially when the client is as happy as these guys were.
I read somewhere here about sending pictures to the customer and sent these to him in case he wants to forward to his client.
Looks good, Howard. John and I started with a large pignut hickory butt log that we pulled off the mill and set aside. We then sawed a camphor log, cypress and a eucalyptus. The top picture is a camphor slab. The others are eucalyptus. Some of the eucalyptus slabs had so much stress they split nearly end to end. I did not take pictures of the cypress mantles we sawed but the color was really good (almost like sinker cypress).
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 20, 2022, 06:50:38 PMWow - 4 days between posts here on this thread.
There will not be any sawing by me for the next ~two weeks which is/was very much planned. :)
Looking good with your sawing Howard. thumbs-up
That is some "wonkie" stuff caveman. (wonkie is good, just different) :(
We have sawed quite a bit of "wonky" eucalyptus for a customer of ours. He came by and picked up some smaller logs that we sawed to 1 1/2" thickness. I stopped by his place a couple of weeks ago and looked at his inventory, projects he's building and his operation in general. This guy is a former student of mine (imagine a 20 something Tule Peak) that does unique woodwork. He does not have a sawmill, but he has a Nyle kiln and has a CNC flattening table that is somewhere in the neighborhood of 7'x15' that swings a 7" cutter.
I tell you this because he dries and flattens short slabs and sells them online as part of river table kits. I saw some he was getting ready to send out the other day at pretty high prices. He told us to keep a log to saw for ourselves. We'll dry the slabs and probably get more for one or two of them than we charged him for sawing the piles below.
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Some of my get around to it projects can be seen in the background.
That camphor slab is upset and frowning at me.
I haven't milled much this summer except eastern red cedar that I sold green. It's been too dang hot to make me want to mill hardwoods on the weekends. Well, August has cooled off in these parts and it was a high of 82 today. I decided to mill some walnut that's been hanging around for a few years. I milled 2 logs into 4/4 boards and a larger log that was about 20" diameter with a nice crotch into live edge 8/4 slabs.
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That is a nice haul.
Thanks Danny. I've got a lot more walnut to mill and that will give me something to do this fall.
Oh wow guys, never say never. A many times repeat customer that is 236 miles away has called back and I gave him a tentative sawing start date of Sept 5th. ::)
Many of you can guess where it is. move_it
Lynn,
Instead of the million Board Foot Club T shirt you need to be wearing your Million Mile Shirt. :D
Yup, this is too big of a customer to not comply. This is sawing only 11' timbers, no side lumber. I first sawed for him in 2017.
Sounds like Sandy sweetgums are in the future. ;)
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Did about a dozen walnut logs this weekend. This one was the best of the bunch for slabs. Spent about 15 minutes with the chainsaw so it would fit through the 32" throat of my TK.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on August 21, 2022, 09:23:56 PMSounds like Sandy sweetgums are in the future.
He has used all of the trees that had to be removed on the property so this time he is buying log truck loads of logs. It takes 18" tops to saw 12X12's so we shall see.
@Larry (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=125)
WOW!
Larry I call that log WINNING!
@Magicman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=10011) That is totally wonkie that he is buying whacks of logs like that! 8)
Black Walnut, my favorite wood!
I cut a big (24" at the stump) white pine yesterday and bucked it into 10, 12 & 16' logs today.
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This little lady moseyed across the pasture below me with her 2 this years fawns. The fawns are good sized to only be about 3 months old.
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The upper 16' log was 14" at the little end. barely showing is a 7' crooked top I sawed into stickers. Everything else is 2/4 X 8" wide. I set my start on the final turn so I get a 1" board at the bottom of every cant.
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At the end of the day I loaded my 2nd 12' log on the arms. I neglected to get a picture of the last one before I sawed it. This one is about 17" at the little end but I'll lose a little due to some sweep.
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At the end of the day I had about 432 bf/sf of which about 380 sf will go to fill my customer's order although he'll likely want the 4/4X8" dog boards too and I'll throw in the stickers. I was hoping to get the whole 1100 sf order out of the one tree but its gonna be close. The next 2 -12' logs should return 350-400 sf. I just don't know if the 10' butt log will be enough to complete the order. I hate the thought of cutting a second tree to finish the order. These half inch thick boards are much prettier than I thought they'd be. I will probably have to WD40 my whole mill to get the sap off it. I'm using 4* blades and have to slow down at the knots but they are working well and not jumping over the knots.
My JD 750 died at the end of the day. I think/hope it is a simple clogged fuel filter as that is what it is acting like.
My blade guy called and brought me back a dozen resharpened blades and I sent 7 back with him. So far I am well pleased with his work and turn around time. He picks up and delivers so no packaging or shippers to contend with.
Well my tractor issue was a clogged fuel line. After checking the filter and lines before and after I found it was between the tank and the filter. I put an in line shut off valve in it the last time which was a life saver. The last hiccup was bleeding the air out of the line down range from the fuel filter which i removed and will replace real soon.
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I went up in the woods and dragged down this 12' long 2nd cut and the 10' butt log. These 2 plus the last one shown yesterday returned about 661 sf of lumber. Total 1060 sf of 2/4 X 8" 10', 12' & 16' boards. At $1/sf that made this a highly valuable white pine. :D
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12 & 16' boards with sticker material underneath. The boards on the left are 12' with some wane but will trim out to 10' or more on average.
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10' boards from the butt log.
I called the customer and he should be her Saturday. He will call back tomorrow to let me know if he needs any 8/4 framing or such.
Now I need to start on an order for 130 poplar 1"X6"X12'. I have one 19' log om the woods I need to buck and I guess I'll have to cut and buck another tree or two and drag some more logs down.
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I like your saw ;) I got me one of those, too.
Just bought the saw. Nice when you can cut 6 inches in one pass
Are you talking about the big skillsaw in the pic? What model is it?
That's a Sawsquatch beam saw by Skilsaw. Cuts 6-5/16". They list for ~$700. I picked up a couple at an online auction and resold one, so mine was "free".
Thanx
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I started on these five 12' long poplar logs. I have an order for 130 1X6X12. I finished the first 2 and got 46 of my 1X6's. I lost a good bit of the second log due to a bucking mistake. :( It was hanging over the ditch and I should have cut some on the bottom then cut vertically to prevent this I am thinking.
I put the big butt log (#3) on the arms at the end of the day. Those 2 blue dots you can barely see concern me.
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About 348 bf from the 2 logs plus a bunch of 1" & 2" edging strips for the customer to use for stickers. On the sawhorses are 10' 1X6 and 1X4's I got as side lumber. I'll trim to length and put in stock. Under the trailer are some left over 1/2" pine edgings the customer left from my last order.
(Yes that sawhorse is crooked, I bumped it with the waste slabs when I hauled them off and had not straightened it before I took this picture.)
Howard, they both look a little crooked to me. do yawl have squares down there? :snowball: :) :D
Hopefully that blue is from your chainsaw.
Quote from: doc henderson on August 31, 2022, 07:46:04 PM
Howard, they both look a little crooked to me. do yawl have squares down there? :snowball: :) :D
What's a square?
GAB
With our terrain anything square would likely just fall over anyway.
Actually, what is supposed to be square on a rough built sawhorse. I make the I-beam style top, nail 4 cut off 2X4 legs under the lip of the top 2X4 of the I-beam, nail into the center and lower I-beam then nail a stretcher across the bottom of each pair of legs, end and side and it is done. A pair will hold an awful lot of weight.
Lynn,
I hope so too but never remember getting such a stain from a chainsaw. I will look more closely before I start sawing tomorrow. The tree was on the bank of a run-off but I don't know of any old fence line close to it and it is too low for an old posted sign or such.
Don't you have a 4° metal detector?? :D
That ain't from no chainsaw that touched in the last 20 years. :D Try not to have a new blade on the mill before you get through that area. I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling looking at that.
Yep, a new blade will find it every time if its there. I might even go dig around the stump a little bit and see if it might have been below where I bucked the log. Sometimes I get lucky. Well, you'd think with the law of averages I would one of these days. Its bound to happen one of these times.
Tom,
I am afraid you may be right in this case. I may peel the bark off in the area to see if anything shows up that way. If it turns out to be a fence wire and I can determine the direction I can saw parallel to it and leave it in a board.
Can't say I have seen Poplar metal stain travel like oak. It doesn't look like Rainbow Poplar, will be interesting to see.
I haven't done any sawing for money in good while. I'll start on this pil today or tomorrow. A mix of pine and oak, 20 foot down to 7 foot. He wants all 2x decking from it. Lots of dirt and rocks from where it was pushed out of the way while he had a road built. I've already told him to expect a lot of blad
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Lee,
I thought only my customers were crazy enough to stack logs 5-6 logs high then expect me to take them down with a cant hook? I tell them no more than 3 logs high and may change that to 2 logs high at the rate they are going.
I resumed work filling my order of 130 12' long 1X6 poplar boards today. The ugly blue stain log turned out to be free of metal. smiley_sweat_drop I got 38 boards out of it plus some side lumber for stock/sale to others. I then sawed the other 2 smaller logs I had and was 13 boards short.
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I already had the tree down so I bucked, beveled and dragged this 13" SED 12' log out with my ATV. It was steep but straight down the hill to the mill. It yielded 15 good clear boards and a few sticker strips. And best of all - it completed my order!
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132 poplar 1X6X12 plus edging strips for stickers on the trailer. Shorter 1X6 and 1X4 side lumber on the high tech sawhorses. ;) 599 bf sawed and flat stacked today. I'll take it to the customer about 30 miles away in the morning. I figure about 3,000 lbs on the trailer. I'll return it to my son after dropping off the lumber.
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No milling today, but dirt work on pad for new saw shop! Nyle kiln and Cooks edger coming.
Sounds like your not playing around! 💪
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10' 4/4 added to stack cut a couple of months ago. Several hickory sneaked in on us.
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12' long stack, 4'-5' wide, 3/4 & 4/4 WO and RO boards cut today.
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One live edge X 12/3 WO X 10' long. After we cut off 2' of the flare on this butt log so I could make it fit between the blade guides. Not shown 3 each 6X6X10 WO posts
A long hard day with about 2,000 bf/sf cut. A lot of it was 3/4 thick mostly RO boards. A couple of scrappy RO logs cut into stickers.
The customer wife was most excited about the 3" one LE/Book-matched WO which was the last log of the day. Did you know WO 10' long X 3" thick and 16-20 inch wide is heavy?
Heavy is a relative / ancestral term - it depends on who your relatives and ancestors were. :D
Be careful talking about ancestors - I am only the second generation in my family to walk upright. I took one of these DNA tests and it said 10% Scotch-Irish, 35% Neanderthal, 30% Sasquatch 25% unknown. ::)
I would have assumed Viking would have shown up on your test. Y'all had a busy day. Slabs that size are heavy, especially at the end of the day.
The past couple of Saturdays John and I have had the opportunity to saw mostly our own logs. We have a few piles of pine logs that have been sitting around since June. We have been sawing orders out of those logs, but it was time to saw them before the borers got to them.
We sawed everything into 1x. Two pallets of 1x8" and one of 1x6". We also sawed some cedar and cypress.
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Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 04, 2022, 06:10:33 AM
Be careful talking about ancestors - I am only the second generation in my family to walk upright. I took one of these DNA tests and it said 10% Scotch-Irish, 35% Neanderthal, 30% Sasquatch 25% unknown. ::)
I just knew that had to be the case. Just knew it. But, now I have the data to support it.
Well, no picture today because we had to pack up in the rain and get out. I'm thinking we sawed about 1100 -1200 bf before we had to stop. We working on red oak 2X6's which saw pretty fast. Still cutting 4/4 oak and a hickory or two as well as a couple of 6" square WO posts. The highlight was several big red and white oak logs the lady wanted made into 2" 3" thick live edge stock for shelves and some 4" thick mantels. I salvaged a couple of 2X6s and some 4/4 in the process. It was pretty wood and they were real happy with the results which always makes me happy. Sawing the big, wide, LE pieces is fun and produces a lot of wood quickly but each one is unique and you only get one shot at sawing them so I probably spend too much time checking my measurements and such. On one log I stopped to show the customer when I squared the back that I could get 4 wider 2" LE slabs or I could take another cut off the back and produce 7 narrower slabs which was the option they took. I'll go back tomorrow and hopefully we will finish. If not I'll schedule another weekend with them. They are only 14 miles away and real nice folks to work with.
Sooooo, I am back in the sand box 236 miles from home.
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It certainly looks like business as usual with sandy logs, but my clock is ticking whether I am sawing or brushing......pays the same.
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I parked the sawmill on location this evening and we will decide where to set up for sawing tomorrow morning.
We may have to change your call sign to "The Sandman". Stay safe. :D
I bet your mill squalls when you turn into the sandbox.
The dirt caked side of a log determines my initial cut.
Looks like a good place for a gas power air compressor and a blower wand.
Quote from: Sixacresand on September 05, 2022, 09:30:57 AM
The dirt caked side of a log determines my initial cut.
Now I know that I not the only one that does that.
GAB
I'd say 6 Acres gets the genius award for today and GAB gets the Purty Smart award for agreeing on sawing the clean side of the log first. Maybe it should be in the Obvious thread but I confess I never thought of that aspect either.
After getting rained out yesterday I returned to the site 14 miles away. Dang near wiped out a nice 8 point about a mile from the site. He was just standing there at the end of a drive by the mailbox till I got right beside him then he jumped out in front of me and I had to slam on the brakes to keep from killing him.
I got to the site and saw the customers lights coming behind me. It was drizzling rain and awful weather to saw in with light rain scheduled all day and thunderstorms for the afternoon. I sawed one 6X6X12 WO post and a 1X6X12 board as side lumber off the log we had left on the mill. I like to leave a log on the mill at remote sites like that to annoy possible thieves. It was easier to put a blade on and saw it than remove the log.
Then we packed up and tallied in the drizzling rain (which did not do my laptop any good). I got paid and a nice tip. Looks like we did about 2975 bf in the2 days we sawed plus a few scrappy logs I sawed into stickers but did not bill the customer for them. We have tentatively scheduled for 2 weekends out to come finish the whack of logs. I probably spun for 50 yards on soupy clay till I finally hit gravel and got enough traction to come on out. I'd never have gotten the mill out without 4WD.
(My screen on my laptop would flicker but not light up and I tried a hair dryer and such but no luck. You could see the PC running but just could not read it. I went downstairs and got an old unused monitor and hooked too it and I got a small version of the screen I could read. After a few minutes I unplugged the monitor and seems to be working fine. Note to all: Do not walk around in even light rain with your laptop open! ::))
Quote from: Nebraska on September 05, 2022, 10:07:00 AMLooks like a good place for a gas power air compressor and a blower wand.
Maybe the mill makers will read this and go ahead and include a power washer unit in with the next mill they design. We might have to add a bigger lube tank if the run off the same one. :D
There is not too much to get excited about at da sandbox.
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The first thing yesterday morning was to grub out a sawing site.
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Yup, grubbing away.
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Got er done.
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And then bring the packer.
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The sawmilling site is ready for the sawmill setup.
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So now I am ready for some logs.
I am sawing the usual 4X6, 4X8, 8X8, 6X12, and 12X12's. I should finish the whack of logs shown in Reply#1222 above tomorrow and Thursday.
The logger has not delivered more logs so I don't know about next week yet. The cut list is a month long, but I need logs.
Now if we could just get Marty to set up a speaker and play "Enter Sandman" as you pull into the lot in the morning. :D
I would gladly take that sand over the moon dust I have!
A Travelin' Mr. Sandman that saws em and leaves em in the sand.
Mr. Sandman - The Chordettes - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX45pYvxDiA)
Go get um, Sandy! ;)
That looks like a nice flat pad to work on! smiley_thumbsup
(Now that bum-bum-bum-bum song is stuck in my head.) :D
Not too much excitement here except Sand and Sweetgum.
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Some of the Sweetgum is strikingly pretty.
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Somebody said that if'en it won't roll it ain't a log. Well this one wouldn't roll nor did it become lumber, it became a 12X12.
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Most of the logs are 21', so the MS362 and a wire brush are busy bucking them to 10½'.
He has added thirty 16X16's to the cut list and the crew was dropping more trees when I left the job this afternoon. The trees had better be yielding logs with a very minimum of 22" top end. I reserved my hotel room for next week. :-X
At least the sweet gum saws easy. If you can stay out the sand. What is your customer building Lynn
On a very personal note, I have made many trips to the "sand box" sawing for this customer. Without exception "Ronnie" was always my helper, but Alas, not this time.
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This picture clearly shows the kind of man and worker that Ronnie was and was taken April 10, 2019. It is the latest picture of him that I can find.
Rest in Peace Ronnie.
Magic, the picture of that big log coated with sand is going to give me nightmares!
cleaning up before and after the reunion, I decided some logs should just get milled and not just moved. this one had sat long enough it was very dry and hard. full of ants that were kind enough to make some potential epoxy areas. ;) It also was ugly with about 3 branches, that of course result in fantastic grain patterns.
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should make some nice charcuterie boards. live edge, interesting grain, and room for epoxy.
MM's site/set up makes me think of upgrades the mill makers need to add to the ultimate sawmill. It will have a built in edger, a built in pressure washer, a cut off saw and probably a small fridge to keep your iced tea cold (It will have a drinking spout/straw to keep the sawdust out while in use) and the built-in ear muffs will pipe in your choice of music. It will automatically calculate the bf of the lumber as it is produced and show a feed out of the remaining lumber to be cut from the cut list fed into the machine at the start of the job. When a log is rolled on to the mill it will flash the species across the screen. It will be self leveling and have emergency shut off switches to prevent rolling a log across the bed due to unraised side supports, stop the head before the blade reaches the partially raised side support, clamp or claw, and will have alarms to remind you when the toeboard is still raised after the first cut. It will self stack and sticker the finished lumber as it is produced.
It probably won't sell because it would take all the excitement out of sawing. :D
also made a special sized pallet. one of my standard lengths at 6 foot 2 inches. but only 24 inches deep. I also do 9 foot 2 inches. skids are spaced 18 inches. usually 42 inches deep
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this is cottonwood milled over a year ago, and on hand (air dried) for this purpose. I did flatten two sides on the jointer, and then opposite sided on the table saw and planer. nice and clean. Kansas state tree.
should I roll some copper naphthenate on the bottom of the skids? cottonwood does well, as long as no soil contact.
Just finished this job yesterday. 35,583 BF. My mill was there for 5 weeks and 3 days but only sawed for 15 days and nearly all of those were just till lunch because of rain a and few other things. Fought mud on logs for half of that time because it was so muddy around there and customers tractor was not big enough to pick up a lot of the logs so he was half rolling them. Each picture is of a different stack of lumber. Had a couple more pictures that I accidentally deleted. Thankful for the job and glad it's over. Have to go back later to saw up a bunch of oak for him. He is building a house and a mother in law house he says. Keeping her on the property but at a distance. 😂. Mill at home now to do a couple jobs that people are bringing logs to me. Then back on the road.
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made some adjustments after changing band wheel belts, and cut up a 7 foot 12 inch diam. pine, with nice blue stain.
Looking good on your 35Mbf+ job Craig. thumbs-up
Quote from: Beavertooth on September 07, 2022, 08:38:28 PMWhat is your customer building Lynn
Craig's question made me realize that there are many members that may not be familiar with this "sand box" job that I started Feb. 5, 2018. LINK (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=80057.msg1548495#msg1548495) It's student condos at a major university.
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Here is the sign.
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Here is a picture that I took this morning showing the construction about half completed. There are twice this many units not pictured on the right. This is the back side of the units. Each unit takes four 12X12's, four 6X12's, eight 8X8's, eight 4X8's, and twenty four 4X6's. The new units will be three story and will require four 16X16's per unit in addition to the above listed timbers.
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This is to the left of the above picture showing dirt work being done, but it ain't clay dirt, it's 100% sand. No rocks, just sand.
My sawmill is set up in the trees seen above which will all be removed as the construction progresses. All of those trees will become timbers. There are many Sweetgum trees in that flat in addition to the Oaks. None of the timbers are exposed to the weather and all are stained/painted. Some twisted but most have remained stable, so the builder is sawing and using what he has.
Lynn did you saw all the timbers for the condos that are already there.
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made some adjustments after changing band wheel belts, and cut up a 7 foot 12 inch diam. pine, with nice blue stain.
I have never seen a tree that big Doc!! How did you move it? :D :D That's real close to 8 feet ain't it?
Yes Craig, I have sawed them all. When I first showed up for sawing no condos were built.
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This is some of the first ones that I sawed on my first trip.
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Some random timber pictures, but it was difficult to get many pictures because the contractors were sometime getting them as fast as I was sawing.
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Some of the construction work.
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A few more timbers.
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This was over 200 tree length logs that made four or five 11' logs.
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4 slabs and another timber coming off.
No side lumber has been recovered from any logs.
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Just whack um and stack um.
If I think about it tomorrow I will count the completed condo units.
That's Great Lynn, You have sawn them many a Nice Looking beams.
So they don't have to be certified as load bearing lumber before using?
The load determines the size. 12X12's on the first story and 8X8's on the second. These new buildings will be three stories hence the 16X16's on the first story.
The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.
Quote from: Magicman on September 09, 2022, 07:06:05 AM
The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.
Testing or guessing?
I'm sure he's well educated in lumber grading anyway, what could go wrong?
You do some interesting work,Lynn. Sorry about your helper.
Rich
Quote from: Magicman on September 09, 2022, 07:06:05 AM
The load determines the size. 12X12's on the first story and 8X8's on the second. These new buildings will be three stories hence the 16X16's on the first story.
The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.
I would expect these are aesthetic features of the buildings, not structural. Likely over-designed for the compression parallel to grain these posts will see.
Non-treated, life expectancy would not be very long but these may be temporary housing for students ;D .
Magic Man is just hired to saws um, not build with um. ;D
We got rained out this afternoon so we buttoned up and after lunch I headed home. I have about two days of logs left and my customer just sent me a text stating that a load of logs will be there Monday. I just hope that they will saw 16X16's.
I made a count and there are 22 condos not including the 4 pavilions and the "community" center. That is well over 1000 timbers/posts. The project is supposed to have ~70 condos when completed.
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Quote from: Magicman on September 09, 2022, 07:06:05 AM
The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.
Testing or guessing?
I'm sure he's well educated in lumber grading anyway, what could go wrong?
Was there a particular reason why you seemingly questioned and made light of another engineer's ability?
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New customer tried to sell me logs he had a tree service cut in his yard. I told him I'd saw but not buy so he agreed. Mostly locust he wanted 6X6 posts but quickly found out they were too small, rotten or split. He pulled several once he realized what it took to make a post. A few small walnut and one nice cherry.
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8.5 miles from home, half day, minimum rate job. Nice guy and semi-decent helper. 648 bf yield.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 10, 2022, 09:35:23 AMtried to sell me logs he had a tree service cut in his yard
At least he now understands why you refused to buy them.
Nice recovery from the good logs so at least he did get some value.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 10, 2022, 09:35:23 AMHe pulled several once he realized what it took to make a post
If he would have straightened a some of those logs, he would have gotten a few more posts. ;D
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Quote from: bigblockyeti on September 09, 2022, 07:10:42 AM
Quote from: Magicman on September 09, 2022, 07:06:05 AM
The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.
Testing or guessing?
I'm sure he's well educated in lumber grading anyway, what could go wrong?
Was there a particular reason why you seemingly questioned and made light of another engineer's ability?
I didn't seemingly question, I did question. Using non-kiln dried, non-graded lumber right off the sawmill has been done for centuries. Today, less so due to the litigious nature of everything. It's not worth the risk for the reward and I don't believe there would have been any time to do any actual testing based on the time frame between sawing and installing. If/when something goes wrong, lawyers go after those with the most money/assets first due to a greater chance of recovery. An on site engineer, especially a PE that would be required to carry a certain level of liability insurance would be uninsurable if a failure occured and it was shown non-tested, non-graded lumber was being used in new construction anywhere in the U.S.A. in 2022. FWIW, I doubt anything will fail catastrophically but if something started to bow enough to look aesthetically unpleasing, someone who's paid to live there and has to look at it will likely say something. If/when something went wrong, the sawyer would be low on the list of those liable but not completely off the list. I don't carry a PE in SC and that's intentional. I don't need it nor do I have any desire to jump through all the hoops for certifications or insurance on top of insurance as I have to before, nor do I have any desire to be called upon as a professional witness in court.
I did that with a couple. Some had multiple curves. The cherry log was 16' and we bucked it to 10 & 5 and got good recovery by straightening it out that way.
Some of the locust were not over 6-7 inches in diameter.
The tree service had told him the mills would buy the walnut - I doubt it as they were only 12-13 inches and young trees with lots of sap wood.
The customer seemed happy with his return and said next time he would know better what logs to keep. He had no issue with the minimum fee.
Quote from: bigblockyeti on September 10, 2022, 10:51:37 AMI didn't seemingly question, I did question.
I'm really not interested in pursuing this tangent to what otherwise is a great discussion, other than to say this is the first time I've read anything on this Great Forum where I wish there is a "Dis-like" Button....
Steve
Please forgive my ignorance here but I'm asking as a legitimate question not to be snide, rude or to offend anyone - is there a difference in the strength of green wood vs KD or air dried timbers when used for construction? I know the weight of the wood will reduce as it dries but I don't know about the other properties.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 10, 2022, 12:08:20 PM
Please forgive my ignorance here but I'm asking as a legitimate question not to be snide, rude or to offend anyone - is there a difference in the strength of green wood vs KD or air dried timbers when used for construction? I know the weight of the wood will reduce as it dries but I don't know about the other properties.
I wasn't trying to be snide nor rude but apparently it was incorrectly construed as such. In short, yes, there is a difference. I don't find your post to be snide, rude or to offend anyone so I will not wish for a "Dis-like" button.
Quote from: Magicman on September 09, 2022, 07:06:05 AM
The design engineer determines what is necessary and was on the sawing site Wednesday.
Simply reading this reply should eliminate all of the unnecessary chatter about the integrity of the timbers/posts. I see no need for anyone to be questioned, schooled, nor called out.
Back to what's being sawn, this is what came off my mill yesterday.
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Im cutting larch logs that have been tipped over for 2+ years. They are still completely saturated as if green logs. They were cut off the stump 2 years ago and left laid in the woods. Some off the ground, some making contact.
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i had the cut off from a big cottonwood that I made posts out of sitting on the roller table i use to cut logs into firwood blocks. I was going to move it but decided to get it cut. Here it is on the mill.
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bucket and head for scale.
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it fit.
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sawdust Jimmy did not want to stress the table with both beers till we tested it for structural integrity.
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a few cookies off the top then this table at 20 inches tall. doubt it will be stolen. 8) :snowball: :) I do not have high hopes of a well preserved cookies with much variation in density, but we will see.
You are sitting on dat crotch but you ain't looking crotchety.
the cooler weather is welcome. getting the log yard cleaned up and organized for winter. the temps make it easier to work longer and warn me what is around the corner. plus I am recovering from the past 2 years with some time off and better coverage.
The worst thing about a 236 mile road trip job is that I had to drive 236 miles this afternoon. I'm checked in at the Hampton Inn, so now it's just a waiting game until tomorrow's sawing game.
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We have the "cement" coated logs behind us so now it's just the normal dry sand, but I did bring a fresh box of brushes. ;D
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Got an order for 8-3X8X12's so I dragged down my remaining upper log, bucked to 12' & 6' and sawed the 12' log. Got 2 of my 3X8s and some side lumber. Total bf 70. I cut another tree but a customer came and I did not get another log down before it started raining so I guess I should finish tomorrow, weather and honey-do projects permitting.
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2-3X8's and side lumber will buck to 10'.
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If I get dehydrated at least I can step over to my peach tree and eat a couple of Fall peaches that are just now getting ripe. Not big but pretty tasty.
MM is seems to me they are putting fewer bristles in the wire brushes these days. where do you get yours.
I got my last shipment from HERE (https://www.painterssolutions.com/products/90156913)
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I normally order a couple dozen at the time. Taxes & shipping they are ~$3.60 each which is half of local store cost. I am ordering 24 more as I am typing this. :) The total for 24 was $86.96.
do you use the scraper end? without it they are 2.80$ :) :) :)
Yes, pulling the scraper through hardened dirt helps to break it up. I hate it when the tailgunner uses it as a chisel and knocks the scraper off. You can see several in the above picture showing lost scrapers. I have drilled a hole and added a self tapping screw to secure the scraper. Also, I would not want that short/stubby straight handle.
The 4X16 is shorter and wider than the 3X19 and has 7 more bristles. You could always try a box of each.
Those brushes do work extremely well and the scraper worked good for getting into crevices. They do start to break down and the bristles towards the front come out. One thing that makes all the difference in the world is using the brush in conjunction with a short small cordless blower to blow everything out of crevices and off otherwise the grit stays on
I use a Stihl gasoline leaf blower.
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I bucked and dragged down these 2 12' poplar logs this afternoon to finish my order for 3X8X12's. Pretty muddy from this weekend's rain so I was happy to have my debarker.
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Finished 3X8s on the right side and 4/4 side lumber on the left.
De-limb?
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Nope.
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They will come off with the slabs. ;D
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This Cat has a broken paw. :-\
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So when a load of logs finally came in, there is nothing to unload with. Wonder what they will figure out tomorrow?
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The first 16X16 came off of the sawmill this afternoon. I only see 8 more logs that could possible saw out 16X16's. We shall see.
Yes, that is de limb there on de log. What is de problem? You don't speak Louisiana Creole there? :D
Picked up these free walnut logs today. Big one is 26" by 7'.
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Watch those telltale blue spots.
Yup, free sometimes comes with a price, but still nice. :)
I brought home walnut logs with blue stains yesterday. It was a 12' log that I cut into a 7' and 5' piece. The stain was at the 7' cut and at the base, so I'm thinking the metal is high up in the tree. I will mill this with my metal detector close to my side. I can usually avoid metal if I scan before every cut. If...
I sold all the 6/4 walnut I had dried to a guy who builds lots and lots of tables. He said he will buy all the 6/4 walnut and oak I can produce. Of course it will take me a long time to cut and dry more.
I use my mill as a metal detector. :D
MM, what was wrong with the Cat? Looks OK in the pic, or is it because it has no thumb?
These were standing trunks that i cut down, so that coloring happened on the way back home. The trees had just been topped, so the trunks were full on wet. Still they were close to the fellas house, so I will give them a good going over.
Quote from: Resonator on September 13, 2022, 10:25:52 AMMM, what was wrong with the Cat?
Yup, it looked OK to me too when he came by but he said the dipper cylinder (I think). Anyway one of the cylinders. A lowboy brought another machine yesterday evening and they unloaded the 27 logs. The broken trackhoe went to the shop on the return trip.
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I bucked these into six 11' X 25"+ logs and we sawed 16X16's from them plus some side 5/4X13". More bucking and sawing tomorrow. I see five more logs that should make 16X16's.
Lynn,
Do those big 16X16 posts have to be cut perfectly clear or is a little wane on the corners acceptable?
While the MM is sawing Paul Bunyan sized logs us laymen are working on the Tom Thumb models.
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These are some final bucking "logs" off a couple of trees I cut recently. The "big" one is 7' long and the little one is just under 6'. I cut the little one into 2" wide X 3/8" lath strips to make crates and such. I cut the big one into 2X4s for stock to make composting toilets and such. I keep making them for that and people keep coming along and buying them out from under me.
Note the walnut bench on the mill. It is ready to have the legs cut to 17". About a 30" bench I made at the last flea market demo I did several weeks back. I never got around to trimming the legs.
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I got 20 7' long 2X4's and 2- 2X2 strips. I save the 2X2's for use in making doors and windows in my poo houses but one customer keeps coming and buying the ones I have in stock. I probably got 50-60 lath strips but no picture. (They were not real pretty anyway but they work)
Howard, some wain is acceptable on all of the timbers that I am sawing. Depending upon the size, maybe an inch or something like that.
I cut some 8x8x24' syp timbers for a builder a couple days ago.
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The pic below shows it as a 15x15x24 as I continued to whittle it down to size. This log gave me a pile of 1x's, one 4x12x24, and one 8x8x24. You've got to be delicate turning these big logs on the 40 super. Don't ask me how I know.
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When you are sawing posts there is not too much exciting to show pictures of.
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6X12's on the left and 4X6's on the right.
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Taken from the 12X12 end with the 16X16's next.
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Taken from the 4X8 end with 8X8's next.
The log truck brought 27 logs and I have 14 remaining to saw. Each of the 14 will buck into two 10½' logs.
This one got us to stop that construction foolishness. The power company thankfully took down a tree that was "ours" but we didn't want to drop it. They cleaned up and left the trunk. We took the Lull and trailer today and brought it back. The Lull got a little light in the loafers with it on the forks.
We decided on boards, if you need walnut slabs just call. We can do up to 12" wide on the Lucas, although it can have up to 1x6's in combo with one 12" in any layer by using the swingset to spin the carriage.
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We dropped that end 4' of crotch off and will slab it, a man can't have too many highly valuable walnut slabs. Then, in order to spin around and swing the saw to either side it takes 27" between the rail and log on either side, that means we can be no wider than 34". I could make a 6" deep kerf for the chainsaw to follow and I'll throw the slab back on later although it was mostly sap.
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Oh, above y'all were talking about seeing blue in walnut, walnut sapwood turns blue for a little while on a fresh cut. Now there's something else useless to wonder about.
I can't remember ever getting walnut with blue stain but I have seen plenty with green stains in fresh, green walnut lumber/logs.
Real pretty log there.
Looks great Don!!
No sawing for me until Tuesday.
PatD called last evening about 7:00, telling me that she had fallen and broken her arm. :-\ Well I was 236 miles and 3 hours and 22 minutes away so Grandson, Ben took her to the ER. Large bone fractured just above the wrist, but no wrist damage. No pain nor swelling this morning
My customer finally saw my message and he returned my call @10:50. I have a Dr. appt Monday and was not going to be able to saw Monday anyway. This will give me 4 days to saw next week and 4 the following week if necessary.
The cut list is to saw him enough timber posts to build 3 condos. The sawmill comes home on or before Sept. 30th no matter what he has.
Oh no! Get better PatD. Fall is a four letter word around here. A retired teacher friend went down the stairs off the porch and really messed hers up recently, pins and bolts, she was kind of lucky that was all. Gravity gains power as we age. Or we just don't bounce anymore!
Oh no, that's awful MM. I hope she heals up fast with no problems.
Sorry to hear that. Our best wishes for a speedy recovery for Miz Pat.
Sorry to hear about Ms Pat, Magic. I pray she has a quick and pain free recovery.
Sorry to hear that, Magic. Get well soon, Pat!
Thanks Guys. The soonest Ortho appt that she could get is Thursday and since I have an appt Monday, there will not be any 236 mile away sawing next week. I also have an appt on the 26th, so I'll reschedule my sawing to begin on the 27th.
My customer will not be pleased, but it is what it is.
One of the hallmarks of a pro: clearly defined terms and boundaries.
Well done MM, you have your priorities well lined up. 👌
I hope that PatD has a speedy recovery. I am also glad that she did not break her hip or femur. I was glad to finally meet you and her in person at Jake's back in April. It is good to have family members you can count on when you need them.
Tell them to have all of the logs clean, staged and extra help available when you get back to the sand pit, so they can watch the magic happen on the sawmill. That's about one condo a day, right?
I saw my mother walk into a closed sliding glass door that she thought was open about three years ago. I tried to get to her as she was falling but I was not quick enough to catch her. She ended up breaking her femur and had to have a revision on an already replaced hip. She is still on a walker from that incident and still has a lot of pain.
Don P was writing the truth about age and gravity.
Best wishes for a swift recovery. Take Care!
Oh No! Take good care of her, Sir.
MM:
Like others, I wish your wife a speedy and painless recovery.
Please tell her the next time she wants to test gravity with a fragile object to use an egg.
Hope your DR appointment is nothing serious.
GAB
MM,Thoughts and prayers for a full and speedy recovery.
MM, Praying that all is going well with the doctors and the healing process for Pat.
Mr. Leatherman and I made some modifications to PatD's cast and removed some sharp bumps. It's much better now.
Quote from: GAB on September 16, 2022, 08:09:30 PMHope your DR appointment is nothing serious.
Gerald, I can now pee over
tall short buildings. ::)
I used to be able to knock down hickory nuts ::)
This is some walnut sapwood turning what I call blue, it lasts for an hour or two, about as long as the green in heartwood, its probably the same pigment.
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This was the top crotch from the log the other day. We used the CSM with a 6' bar. The chunk here was close to square, this face was noodled which is faster but clogs easy. The next pass was regular, then a noodle pass. But look at that figure, highly valuable walnut slabs ;D.
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The slab that DB was chainsawing off the main log in the pic the other day actually had a nice mantle in it, or really 2, it is 12' long and cleaned up at 5" thick with one live edge and some decent heart on top.
John and I started the morning off impersonating electricians, wiring up dust collectors, jointers and planers. We jointed and planed a pallet of live oak that will be used for flooring. After lunch, we cut a few trees that belonged to a neighbor. He thought he had a hickory, which turned out to be a live oak. We sawed it into 14' slabs, 2.75" thick, 20" small end, 26" big end. They turned out nice.
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I returned at 7 am to this site 14 miles away this morning. This is the 3rd weekend starting in July that I have sawed here. You can see the fog in the picture. It stayed around till around 10-11 am then the sun broke through. I think there were around 25 logs all total left. We figured it was a 2 day job but the helpers finally learned their jobs and kept a log on the arms and did pretty good removing the finished boards as I cased them. We finished around 5:30 pm with a tally of 1461 bf. Nearly all RO, a maple sneaked in and a few WO. Mostly 4/4 and a few LE 8/4 and some 2X6's.
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A little over 6K bf for this client. We are all glad it is done and I enjoyed working with and for them. The client included a $100 tip each trip for extra effort and things I don't charge for such as stickers and helped carry heavy pieces when they needed help.
While I was sawing another customer came and got a couple hundred dollars worth of 3X8X12s at my house and my sharpener guru came and picked up 15 bands for sharpening.
I got a call from a guy up the road who wants me to saw 145 crib blocks that are 30" long and 6" square out of assorted hardwood. He wanted them resawed into 1/2" "shingles" is the best way I can describe his plan. I confirmed I can do the work but will be an hourly rate. I guess the time required is largely going to be determined by how fast the can load and remove the pieces. We will see if this comes to pass or not.
Loaded up this 40" X 16' 7,200 pound red oak log on the sawmill yesterday. My forklift will only lift 5,500 pounds and my sawmills max size is 36" diameter. I never was good with details.
Took about half a hour to trim it down with the chainsaw so I can get through it. Made a pass without a band to insure I wouldn't hang up. Plan was to saw it this morning but got busy. Doyle says I should get 900 board foot.
My job is to cut 1 X 12's and two live edge slabs out of the center. Another craftsman will make a 5' X 16' table to set next to a indoor swimming pool.
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A really ugly, distorted, 32" "diameter" rotted white oak with termites - but it yielded really nice slabs. It wasn't round so by YH's standards it wasn't even a log and it was a bear to roll. While positioning it for the opening face, the winch stalled (2500 lb pull Superwinch) because the flat of the "log" was against the squaring arms. I had to assist the winch for a few seconds with a cant hook. Sorry. no pics of the process because I (and a friend) were too busy with the tasks at hand. We sawed 2" and 3" live edge slabs 8' long and were able to minimize the large pith crack to 1 board with a second one showing a small crack. We loaded the slabs onto my trailer via my push, roller and pull mechanisms. Again, no pics of the process but, at least, I have pics of the slabs so it did happen.;) The rot and termites were superficial, and we hit no metal.
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Kyle,
Pretty hard to confuse hickory and live oak, but then again, sometimes I cannot even tell if the person at the grocery store is a man or a woman :) :).
I've been googling and reading a little on that blue in walnut sapwood. I had always thought that when walnut is steamed the color was moving from heartwood to sapwood. Apparently, the heat is bringing the color already there out. I don't have the capability to create 190° saturated steam (and it needs to be done green from the saw) but that would be an interesting experiment with some all sap boards. Ours was a fast grown tree and had about 4" of sapwood which I recovered as mostly white 4/4 boards for sheathing or whatever low use. Being jacket boards they are mostly high grade clears, just white. If "brown" they would triple in value.
Oh, if your batter is too alkaline or has aluminum in the baking powder, the walnuts and some other nuts in your muffins will make blue or green streaks... cool :).
Quote from: WDH on September 18, 2022, 07:37:05 AM
Kyle,
Pretty hard to confuse hickory and live oak, but then again, sometimes I cannot even tell if the person at the grocery store is a man or a woman :) :).
I agree. Tree that we cut the logs from had been down over a year. The bark indicated live oak. When I started bucking it with the chainsaw it had the "vinegary" live oak smell. I trashed a blade and a wheel belt due to throwing the blade at the beginning of the cut because I had things a bit slippery with too much lube. I was running the lube at about wide open to keep the blade clean, cool and tight. Live oak is a different animal. I saw it slower than anything else. On those wide slabs, the blade was only advancing about 1/2" per revolution, but they sawed flat.
I know what you mean about the gender confusion. There seems to be quite a bit of that with today's youth. "
Girls will be boys and boys will be girlsIt's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world, except for LolaLa-la-la-la Lola" Kinks
Don't think its supposed to work this way.
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Adds a little excitement to a morning at the sawmill. :D
And that's heavy, now to not break or bend anything. What are the chances of that falling in that limb rot ?
:D :D :D Larry, I'm sorry about laughing at your misfortune but that is funny. :D :D :D
How did you get it off?
I zoomed in on that knot hole when you pictured the log in Reply #1314, and wondered how far the hollow went. Obviously you found out. :-X
He is probably still out there trying to get it off :).
Quote from: Larry on September 17, 2022, 10:47:02 PM
Loaded up this 40" X 16' 7,200 pound red oak log on the sawmill yesterday. My forklift will only lift 5,500 pounds and my sawmills max size is 36" diameter. I never was good with details.
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Looks like that log gave birth to a sawmill!
At least it didn't roll off the back of the mill. (I've heard that sometimes happens). smiley_lipsrsealed
I've heard if a log or cant rolls off the back of the mill it can break lots of expensive parts in the energy chain. ??? ::) Not that I've ever done anything like that. :o
For that reason I got the forklift forks under the cant and lowered the backstops. Used the forklift to gently get the cant back on the bed. Not really much excitement, but one learns from experience.
That knothole was about 6" deep and completely filled with punky material. I didn't even notice it until.....
I moved the mill to my pasture and was going to cut a tree and mill an order but a customer came by with some old wormy chestnut 2X6s to be resawed into 1" boards. He'd press down while I clamped due to the bow in each of them. He had 5-6 of them. I was not impressed but they were his lumber. He asked about sawing some cookies and I took him over and showed him some then he saw some thin lath strips I use to make crates and wanted some real thin shims for a project so I threw a fresh cut 2X2 poplar strip on the mill and sawed it in 3/16" drops on my SS and he was happier than a pig in a mudhole with them.
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I picked out the biggest remaining Norway spruce in my overaged Christmas tree patch and dropped it. With my recent tree felling results if I were a logger I would not hire me. ::) It fell way to the right but finally hit the ground.
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I limbed it and bucked a 21' and a 17' log for my order. (14' & 6' and 2- 8') dragged them to the mill and bucked to shorter lengths.
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this 14' & 6' made 8X8 beams and 3/4" side lumber
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These 8' logs made a 3X8 and a 4X8 and 3/4" side lumber and 3"X 1/2" battens.
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8X8s (BTW even out of spruce they are heavy for a one man operation!)
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8X8, the 8" X 3&4 inch beams. Battens underneath 3/4" side lumber from 6-10 inch wide and 6-14' long.
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The side lumber and battens underneath. I'll use it to make composting toilets unless someone buys it for something else first. 335 bf/square ft out of the logs.
Delivery was included so I'll take them 56 miles away in the morning and do a site visit 2-3 miles away for a 10K bf (?) job.
Howard, nice job on centering the pith on that 8x8.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 20, 2022, 07:21:01 PM
I picked out the biggest remaining Norway spruce in my overaged Christmas tree patch and dropped it. With my recent tree felling results if I were a logger I would not hire me. ::) It fell way to the right but finally hit the ground.
Hey down is down, you didn't get hurt or tear anything up, that's what it's all about.
Yeah but it doesn't do much for your ego or confidence when it falls that far out of line to what you planned. :D
CB,
I was real diligent in centering the heart on the 8X8's and the 3" & 4" beams and since the tree was pretty straight the heart ran true and it worked out well. Thanks for noticing anyway.
Maybe you should try a tenon cut? :D
On second thought, never mind. Too many things to go wrong. ;D
Tom,
A tenon cut might have worked well here but it looked very straight forward. I cut it, it took a right turn and fell 90* to the right and hung at about a 30* angle. I pulled it off the stump with my ATV but could not drop it. I was going to go back with the tractor but while I was resawing and piddling with my new customer we heard a "Pop, pop, pop, pop" and it came down on its own. I was really worried it would be big enough diameter at height to get a clean 8X8 20' up but I had an extra inch or so to spare.
I have it loaded and am fixing to deliver it now.
Just finished a job today. 1250 bd ft of 4/4 to be used for tongue and groove paneling. Most was 6" wide, some 4" and 8". Logs were Maple, Birch, Red Oak and a few Ash. Forgot to take a picture of the final stack so picks are only partial. Some of the logs were marginal with hollow spots or rot, so took some fooling around on those. Either way, learned a lot and had some fun.
The sweet thing is this same customer is having a big white pine taken down in the next week or so. It's leaning towards his house so hiring a tree service. It measures 36" at the base and has about 75' of straight trunk until it forks. Just that one tree will have more than I just finished and should go faster.
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It's been about six weeks since I sawed any lumber. I've been logging ash trying to stay ahead of the emerald ash borer. Yesterday I started sawing those ash logs. Got a couple of small ones done in the morning.
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No sawing this morning as we are in a pretty good thunder storm at this moment. It feels good to be sawing again. I like the look of ash lumber but man, it is the worst for leaving a buildup on the blade. I'll be back at it tomorrow.
Keep on sawing.....Cutter
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 20, 2022, 07:21:01 PM
With my recent tree felling results if I were a logger I would not hire me. ::)
Don't feel bad Howard,
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after these two trees in the same week I was ready to fire myself. >:(
CB,
I think we are living proof that the earth is off kilter and keeps shaking the wrong way just as we cut through the holding wood on our local trees. :D
I love the smell of ash sawing. It reminds me of the smell of old honey like when I would find a bee tree in the woods when I was a kid. It is one of the naturally driest woods I saw and one of the straightest grain meaning you need to predrill when nailing it to keep it from splitting.
I have one old customer who buys most f of mine (that I don't use for my own projects). Unfortunately he buys it 1-2 boards at a time as his retirement check comes in. His last project was a pie safe and it is beautiful work. I told him if I die before he does I'm going to bequeath him any remaining ash lumber left in my stock.
The ash trees around here are so far gone they are deadly to cut down as the tops will snap back on you and big limbs will fall off while cutting them down.
Cutter, I love that cathedral pattern in Ash. thumbs-up
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 22, 2022, 09:34:13 AM
CB,
I think we are living proof that the earth is off kilter and keeps shaking the wrong way just as we cut through the holding wood on our local trees. :D
So that's it!? I'm glad you told me. I didn't think it could be me. ::)
Quote from: Magicman on September 22, 2022, 10:00:07 AM
Cutter, I love that cathedral pattern in Ash. thumbs-up
Magic, you, me and a lot of other people love it and it sells. ;)
Got a good red oak log on the mill today. One of my biggest. Just under 8ft, 30" at the butt and 24" at the top end. Slabbed it all at 10/4. I wish I had a forklift or skid steer to move logs around. Having to move my mill all the time, level it, take out all the tools, and setup takes valuable time away from milling. It's not practical. On top of that I always start milling before I have stickers made up or a level base to stack the wood on.... I could probably spend a full day just cutting stickers....
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I made this wagon about 3 weeks ago to move stuff around the yard. It held 3 good size slabs, but 4 would be too much to pull around my uneven terrain. Still it is a solid wagon and made moving and loading the slabs much easier. Honestly don't know if I could have done it without it. How else do can you manually move a slab solo? It's 16 inches in height, with two 6" blocks on top to stack onto.
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It was a good day all and all, and I got some nice slabs out of it to test the market. If they never sell I'll build something nice. I hope I can one day get a permanent location for the mill, and never have to move it again. Then I can build a saw shed and start living the good life.
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Just a friendly reminder- A big part of the good life is being healthy enough to handle the aggravating stuff that hinders what you want to do. :)
Daburner, I like your little wagon. Also, nice oak slabs.
Mostly Doug Fir but some pine too
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Quote from: cutterboy on September 24, 2022, 06:42:35 AM
Daburner, I like your little wagon. Also, nice oak slabs.
Thanks. It was a fairly simple build, the wheels cost about $80 via Harbor Freight and the hardware was about $16. The main thing was being able to put 8ft plus lumber on it without getting in the way of the handle. I was going to buy one of those Gorrilla Carts but it wouldn't have worked for my needs and costs much more. The handle was the hardest part because I only had a high tooth bandsaw blade at the time. My jigsaw wasn't much better. Lots of smoke.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on September 21, 2022, 08:32:53 AM
Yeah but it doesn't do much for your ego or confidence when it falls that far out of line to what you planned. :D
CB,
I was real diligent in centering the heart on the 8X8's and the 3" & 4" beams and since the tree was pretty straight the heart ran true and it worked out well. Thanks for noticing anyway.
Watch some of those bucking billy ray you tube vids. he does some good work with wedges....
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If it's not obvious from the photo that is custom live edge cedar shelving for a goose pit. We must have a good shelf to set coffee cups, shotgun shells, and what not on.... :)
I am sawing a cedar log and the sunset looked good behind the mill.
Awesome! Looking good 💪
Salvaged a little over 3000bf out of these white oaks last week. Had a sensor go out on my auto clutch at beginning of second day there that would let it just keep cycling around and around instead of stopping at the engaged position. Had to have one overnighted to job sight Woodmizer only had only one in stock. Wood was being taken to someone fairly local that will sticker stack, kiln dry, plane and tongue and groove each side for $1.75 a bf or $2.25 a bf to tongue and groove sides and ends. Just to let y'all know what that cost down here in south ms.
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I know that you are glad to finally get that job behind you. Now hurry up and come and help me. ;D
Quote from: Beavertooth on September 27, 2022, 09:30:19 PMHad a sensor go out on my auto clutch at beginning of second day there that would let it just keep cycling around and around instead of stopping at the engaged position.
We had one of those sensors go out a few months ago in the middle of a job. Reply 21 https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=75580.msg1909552#msg1909552 on this thread shows what we did to keep working until the part arrived the next week.
Good luck with that Lynn! :D
I don't post here much because I mill in short spurts with no help just a few hours a day, then move on to other jobs. But today I hot a milestone. I run an LT50 that I don't own. I got conned talked into milling for the owner on my own terms and getting paid at a BF rate, plus hourly for maintenance or other chores. (I also got a pretty good push from MM). I cut to order only so far. In the last 13 months I have only milled 15,300 BF in my spare time.
Today it was only 300BF but I hit a small milestone. I now have more hours on that mill than the owner does. I thought that was neat. Math also tells me I averaged 115BF/hr (on the meter). I don't know or care if that is good or not. (probably not.) I just know what I did, and that's good enough for me.
MAN, I shouldn't have never posted nuthin' here yesterday. Today I sawed... nothing, except one flitch. It wasn't because I didn't try though.
I went to the mill and shortly while I was bucking a log Bill showed up with a 4 seat polaris SXS that was dropped off for demo test. 3 of us went for a test ride and directly he was driving through the swamp/pond with water up over the floor boards. When it got halfway up to the dash, we backed out and zipped around in the woods for a while then checked out the engine and stuff. I think he is hooked, so much better than his 6 wheel gator. They dropped me back at the mill and went up to the shop to prep for another job. I loaded a log on the mill and commenced cutting. I opened the first side, then on the second face I took a couple slabs of small junk. I was using the Accuset in the 'mill down' for 1" boards. So I was cruising at yellowhammer speed (almost), just running down the log, jog up, gig back, hit the downfeed and send it back down the log. On the 4th cut I gigged back, hit the down feed and sent it, but the head kept coming down. I barely stopped the forward feed before I broke the band as it was raking down the front of the log. The head dropped until the debarker motor hit a bunk. I could not get the head to come up and the accu-set displayed "ERROR" (well thank you very flippin' much). After I got a hold of myself I tried to raise the head, no soap. I put the accuset in manual, still no joy. I shut the engine off got a drink of water and thought for a minute and checked around for other damage. No moving it, no way. I went up to the shop and talked to Bill, same problem he had when the mill was new and it caused a lot of damage. (Bent the debarker blade and broke the moveable blade guide off the machine.) He said, 'guess you gotta call WM, I gotta go'. SO I went back down and uncovered and checked all the breakers, nothing remarkable. I tried it again, and the up/down now worked. I ran through a few dry cycles doing a 'mill down' as when it failed. All good. But I am NOT happy with this. I got lucky and there was no damage, this time. I went home, brought up the manual and called WM, NY. No luck there, they had a record of the original problem and the warranty transducer replacement, but could not offer any suggestions. They got a guy in Indy to call me back.
When he called I explained it all and he summarized by saying 'so it crashed, wouldn't move, then it did move and now everything seems ok, right?' "Yeah I said, what should I be checking?" 'There's nothing you can check if it's working right, it was just an intermittent issue. It's fine, for now'. I was getting just a tad aggravated. "Look, I spent the last 40 years of my career troubleshooting problems on CNC and other equipment that cost 20 times what this mill does. I know that when a problem happens once, it will happen again. Every time it happens, it will get more expensive and in some cases can cause extensive damage. I want to know what should I be checking and looking at. Do we have a daily maintenance issue, is housekeeping a problem, have I missed a routine repair or adjustment? I will not run a machine that could crash like this at any moment." Now he was getting a tad aggravated with me and laid out the 'no machine is perfect' story line. Which of course I well know and understand. He missed my point, so I asked him specific questions about which components were involved, how do I access them, what problems are they subject to, what routine things could I check and look at? He was fairly helpful on that but not overly so. I didn't have a warm fuzzy, but I did have some helpful knowledge I could use to get me further, good enough, for now.
I drove back to the mill and pulled the transducer cover, checked alignment, cleaned everything I could find (it really wasn't bad at all, just a little dry sawdust) and covered it back up. Checked the mill again and it still seemed to work OK, but it started raining and was almost 5pm, so I bagged it for the day. Tomorrow will be an adventure. I hate running equipment with an unknown problem that could suffer a catastrophic failure at any point during routine operation.
When you are blowin' and goin' and all of a sudden it all crashes for no reason, loud and hard, well that's just no fun. I've been there too many times.
That is a story I have heard from Accuset 2 equipped mills a few times, and I don't like it at all.
Yeah, I don't think I'd be too happy with such a response either. I'm a big fan of fail safe and that's anything but. I can't help but wonder if they're not getting a little big in their britches with all the back orders they have right now? I suspect there's a few folks in the organization that are fairly competent and could lead you down the path helping to figure out the root cause, the fella you spoke with certainly wasn't that person. It's basic ladder logic, some people get it, some don't. What year and how many hours on the mill?
Well, I should say that the first thing I did was search here on the forum because I know a couple of guys have mentioned this issue in the past, but I just couldn't find the thread I was looking for.
The fella at WM, NY tried really hard, knowing that Bill is a good customer and know also realizing he knows me too. He gave us a ride back to Bill's camper up at Boonville with three boxes of blades we picked up, plus other stuff, in the company Ranger during a full downpour. So he said, let me get you connected with somebody in Indy who should really know this stuff. The guy in Indy looked up the account and asked which piece of equipment we were having issues with and he knew we have an LX25, RS-2, Slabmizer, and the LT50 among other things. I was just hoping he could educate me on finding a diagnosis. When he started to explain that the transducer could only be tested with a $10k piece of gear that even they didn't have I realized he was a 'black box' type of guy. I started to explain to him how a transducer works and how it is tested and that I don't have a scope, nor am I good at using one. He said something like ' Well it sounds like you know more about this than I do and you know these are pretty simple machines and sometimes these things just happen and there is nothing you can do about it.' If it was anybody but WM I would have been reading the guy a litany of stuff about tech trouble shooting over the phone, but I let it go. I just took the lead and asked a lot of leading questions and he finally 'mentioned' the diagnostics section inside the Accuset, which is (a good part of) what I needed all along. Knowledge is power, give me knowledge.
The mill was built in 2017, used by WM for a show demo for about a year, then Bill bought it from them at Boonville in 2018 with all the 'new unit' warranty, etc. It has only 250 hours on it. The first several transducer failures which were quite expensive happened in September 2018 and the transducer was replaced under warranty I don't know about the other parts. During those first failures there were a lot of parts replaced because of damage. I'm in the middle of an order and don't have time for that now. I lost the whole day yesterday.
Tom,
It could have been worse. What if the tech had said "First you find the brown and the purple wires, then you ...".
Sorry - the devil made me say that.
Tom, I have a 2007 LT70 with accuset 2. In 2008 when still under warranty my saw head dropped just like yours all the way to the bottom. I called Indy and they told me it was a failure in the up down gear box and explained why it did that. (which I don't remember the explanation :)) Been so long I can't remember if it would go back up and just fall again or not even go back up. But I didn't saw with it until they sent me the new gear box and it did fix the problem and had no more issues until 2012 when it did it again. That time they sent me a brake that attaches to the top shaft of gear box and stops it where it is suppose to be every time. That has been 10 years ago and have never had a problem since.
I upgraded my 2001 super to Accuset 2 In about 2010, then ran it successfully 9 years after that. Don't remember if I ever had that nose dive you describe, but do remember that most of the nose dives were my fault. Do I believe it could happen yes, but it is a great system.
That being said I would be concerned if i were getting ready for a flight and the cockpit door was open and I saw an orange screen and the pilots were talking to each other about the auto down or set to bed mode.😞
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Dennis: So are you saying yo hit the 'down' lever by accident. That would mean it stopped when you wanted it to? This one I had was an uncontrolled plummet to the bed until the debarker was hammed against the bunk. I had no control, kept lifting the switch to make the head raise and it kept falling. Basically what we used to call a 'runaway condition' on CNC machines.
Beaver: Yeah, I had a concern it might be the brake, the system on a 50 is different than a 35. Still trying to parse that out as to what the control was thinking. If it got the 'go down 1" ' command and then the brake failed when the control told it to stop, it just continued on until it crashed into the bed? It's kind of a 'chicken or the egg' question. Did it forget where it was going and just kept on going, OR could it just not stop when it got where it was going? The control displays "ERROR" but it doesn't tell me if the error is that it forgot where it was, or if it is not in the place it should be. I think putting that word on the control is about as helpful as putting up a message that says "YUP, you just crashed and burned". I really don't want to prove which it was. >:(
Howard, my smart-aleck friend, if they had given me those color codes and some useful information, I would have no issue following them. Indy is above the Mason Dixon line and we all know our colors up here. :D
FWIW, today I went back and started over. it ran fine, but I don't trust it, I now do one move at a time and wait until each move is complete before I float into the next one. So it takes a little longer, but if it happens again, maybe I will get a few milliseconds to see what is happening while it is dropping.
Dropping the band on the cant by hitting the auto down to early, and then hoping that it didn't bend your blade guide arm up, that's all too familiar. On my 70 super, the head return control overrides the fall if you do that so that prevents some of it.
I understand what you were saying about a freefall. Not saying you did this and I'm sure what you describe is not the same, but that's a common occurrence if you haven't reset the set to bed, and it still wants to go to down to 1 inch where it was last used, for example. Again I'm not too helpful with what you observed.
It's been three years since I last ran Accuset 2. My new machine, my iPhone my iPad my laptop, glad to say neither of our newer vehicles, but things with a computer need to be reset once in a while and it's probably too much to try to explain whatever the Bermuda triangle is that happens now and then. Just take steps that life and limb are not at stake. Maybe my standards are too low.
Tom, the CNC Machines had a big red E-Stop button to hit when they went haywire. On the 50 does it have a key start ? If it does try to crash be ready to cut the switch off.
That presents a conundrum. When I was troubleshooting big machines, if the Op hit the e-stop, we would lose all the errors codes the machine would pop up, so we had nothing to tell us where to look. The same would happen if I could shut the mill off with the key in the 3 seconds I have before it crashes into the bed.
I am also a tad concerned that it might give me new problems by killing the engine, drives, and accuset all at once. But your idea is interesting and perhaps if I could hit the button to get it into 'manual mode' before things crunch. I don't know if I can pull that off, but I think it will be my first try. With my luck it will be 2" off the deck when it happens again and there will be no time to even cuss.
Does Accuset II have references you can program? IE a "go to". On my Super 70 I have both temporary and set references. The temporary would erase when you reset them or turn the mill off. The set ones can be adjusted but stay in memory, so with one button I can tell the mill to raise automatically to 36" or fall to 17 13/32". I am wondering if there is a set reference that has a value of "0" inches from the bed or something like that and it decided to go there.
Just finish sawing a large white pine for a repeat customer. Final was 816 bf of 2 x 6 x 10'. Next on the agenda is to spend the afternoon cleaning the sap off of everything. This was my first time cutting wp. Definitely adding to the "not my favorite" list. I was however glad to see that my water/pine sol lube did a better than expected job keeping the blade clean.
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I am still here and still in the sand box. 186 post/timbers (~18650bf) sawed and 1539 bf of 1X10's. I am measuring/bucking all of the logs which takes time plus some of the "bought" logs are dirty too.
I am sawing hourly rate for 8 hours per day which puts his sawing/handling cost at ~$1.00 per bf which is about a third of what the timbers would cost him "store bought".
I can only saw 4 days next week before prior commitments bring me home. It would be mid-November before I could go back.
Quote from: Magicman on October 01, 2022, 08:11:46 AM
I am still here and still in the sand box. 186 post/timbers (~18650bf) sawed and 1539 bf of 1X10's. I am measuring/bucking all of the logs which takes time plus some of the "bought" logs are dirty too.
I am sawing hourly rate for 8 hours per day which puts his sawing/handling cost at ~$1.00 per bf which is about a third of what the timbers would cost him "store bought".
I can only saw 4 days next week before prior commitments bring me home. It would be mid-November before I could go back.
working hard m.m.! a dollar for anything in this economy is a great bargain!
Yes, I am loaded up and about to make the 236 mile trip to the "sand box" for 4 more day's sawing.
There were only 12 unsawn logs (maybe 2 hours) there when I left Friday so hopefully something is happening today.
FPP, I consider white pine a pure pleasure to saw and work with. I usually skip to the mill when there is white pine on deck👍👍
Huh!, well I guess maybe I'm too picky, spoiled or whatever. The sap was terrible. It cut ok, but I did get an occasional wave by knots. We sawed a few red pine the same day and those cut really nice with absolutely no waves.
Try diesel for the band lube next time.
I have a gallon of WD40 and find a rag soaked in it does pretty good to help remove the sap residue.
They look really fresh cut, mine have typically "aged" a bit, I'm sure that has something to do with how sticky they are. Balsam fir is another one where when you blink, your eyes want to stick shut😂
Quote from: barbender on October 03, 2022, 01:49:38 PM
I usually skip to the mill when there is white pine on deck👍👍
Now that's something I'd like to see. :D :D ;D
White pine that has been freshly felled makes a sticky mess on the mill. I let my pine logs sit up off the ground for about six weeks before I saw them. No problems then with sap. When the yellow sap on the end of the logs turns white, it's good to go.
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I like to see the same thing when sawing SYP, especially Longleaf. The sap hardens a bit and does not make quite the mess.
I am on my 4th week in the "sand box" sawing mostly Oak but also Sweetgum, Pecan, Hickory, and Elm, all being sawn into posts/timbers.
This is also my 4th week staying in the exact same room in the Hampton Inn. ;D
I was thinking about you yesterday as I had some logs with dried sandy mud on them and I had to put in more time than I wanted with a wire brush getting the bulk off and trusting the debarker for the rest. Not fun.
Too pretty not to share in the whatcha sawin thread...
Last night in some very foul weather. I just couldn't wait to saw it up!
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Look at that colour, very nice!
Even the siding on the building is in the pink! 😋
Quote from: Andries on October 04, 2022, 11:21:37 AM
Look at that colour, very nice!
Even the siding on the building is in the pink! 😋
I always make sure to hose that off :laugh:
VB, nice cant, nice color. I love the look of a good cant.
Quote from: Magicman on October 04, 2022, 07:50:15 AM
This is also my 4th week staying in the exact same room in the Hampton Inn. ;D
It must be like a 2nd home to you by now. :D
My wife and I like the Hampton Inns too. The bedding and pillows are so comfortable!
Quote from: barbender on October 03, 2022, 11:46:14 PM
They look really fresh cut, mine have typically "aged" a bit, I'm sure that has something to do with how sticky they are. Balsam fir is another one where when you blink, your eyes want to stick shut😂
Yes, the tree was taken down less than a week prior and the sap was still oozing out of the ends.
The next time I have an opportunity to cut wp, I'll make sure I suggest we give it some time for the sap to harden.
This is one reason that I have dirty/sandy logs. Most of the trees are excavated and tipped over keeping the root ball with the tree. The stumps must be removed anyway and this is certainly the easiest way.
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Two good Red Oaks, both of which made two 16X16's plus a 12X12. They are already getting dirty. :-X
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Bucking them to length.
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Nothing left but firewood. You can see the sandy dirt. :-X
Magicman, are you near a large river? I'm just wondering why all the sand? Or does Mississippi dirt tend to be sandy?
No river and very hilly and no clay nor rocks. I have no idea why this is and since you asked, I may have to do some geographic research. It is very unlike any of the rest of the state that I am familiar with, which is about all of it. ;D
It's also very dry and the road beside me is horribly dusty. I'm about wearing my "sawdust" mask continually because of the dust.
I only have two more logs to saw this morning, so they will be knocking down trees and I will probably be bucking a couple of hours this morning but it all pays the same. ::)
we have sandy areas here and salt 600 feet down. lots of shale below grade that messes with water table and our water wells. we used to be underwater back when there was an ocean here.
Out two breweries are sand hills, and salt city, and our winery is inland ocean.
My wireless remote has an e-stop button. Kills everything but the engine. I was talking to Jim Brown at WM years ago and had him convinced all mills should have an e-stop button, but it never happened.
I felt the same way so I added my own e-stops. One on each corner of the mill head. Its not hard to do....
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White oak. One down, three to go.
Brad will that stay as a octagon or are you preparing for some RRQSing?
Sawing nothing fancy pallet logs ash and red oak .
4x4 and 3x6 for the bridge company
Making firewood pallets for customers and pallets for the bridge company.
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More "sand box" for me today.
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First thing was knocking down a couple of SYP trees for some 4X4's
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Bucking and hauling them out with the excavator.
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The 4X4's.
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Some of the stacks of timbers. Yup I know, I have told the customer numerous times to not cover the stacks with plastic, especially clear plastic. :-X
Each one will become a "greenhouse". Thankfully it's shady and cooler weather is coming, but moisture is still accumulating under the plastic. ::)
A logging trailer load of logs came in after I left this afternoon so I should have enough to saw for these last two days.
@DWyatt (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=39164) RRQS
One of my red oaks Apparently had some of those big worms that magic man likes to eat.
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My customer bought 19 logs yesterday, some good and some not so much.
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A 44" butt log ready to be loaded after Bibbying.
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This one will make your eyes hurt. :)
I'm in a situation where I will now have to work Saturday to finish. ::)
Lynn,
I see some of your logs are already "pre-drilled" for conduit plumbing lines or such or such. :D
I forgot to take my camera but went to a new customer 16 miles up the road and sawed 1915 bf of poplar. Mostly 16' 2X6s (In WV that means full dimension 2"X6" - very seldom to I get asked to saw dimensional sizes around here) and 4/4 boards. The customer was 74 and his older brother was his helper. They did not move super fast but we averaged over 315 bf per engine hour which is pretty good for 3 old men. The job was a referral from the customer's son who works at the local industrial JD and forestry dealer and got my name from a co-worker I sawed for last year.
When done and paid and loaded I stopped at our son's house I had passed on the way up. I set up and sawed one 85 bf WO into 4/4 boards. I have been having a problem with the key sticking in the start position and I think I damaged my starter. I don't know what else it could be. I am still hooked up and I'll try to check with my small engine guru in the morning before we leave to the Paul Bunyun show. Normally he has same to next dat delivery on most Kholer parts so maybe he can fix it or get the parts for me to fix it early next week. I'm thinking it should be a quick and easy fix but I've been wrong before.
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1720bf of pondo today, mostly these 1x4s but some 2xs 6xs and live edge too ;)
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Cutting hemlock for my buddys floor framing.
Whatcha sawin? Nothing. I finally got covid. After being careful and dodging it the last two or so years my entire family got it. I got it the worst though. I was coughing so violently Tuesday night I actually threw my back out. Same old herniated disc that's bothered me for years. Just never happened while coughing before. I was coughing up blood off and on for about 12 hours. My throat was very much raw. Finally feel like I'm coming out of it. I can see why this virus claimed a lot of lives. I am vaccinated, but passed on the boosters. I wish I would have been full boosted looking back. Anyway got a customer wanting a 9ft slab of red oak and I got just the log. Maybe Sunday.....
Daburner, reminded me to call to schedule a booster. thanks, as I hope to avoid what you just went through.
Daburner, sorry you suffered bad, but I'm happy you are over the worst of it. I have had it twice, once pretty bad and the other time very mild. You will be tired for a couple of weeks but each day will get a little better. Best of luck.
I finished the trailer load of 19 logs today but he knocked down more trees after I left the job site this afternoon that I will saw tomorrow before folding the sawmill up and finally going home. move_it
Still sawing ash. That six foot log on the mill started out as a nine foot log but was bent on the end so I cut two 16" rounds off it. The last two logs are on the deck and in the background the slab rack has slabs cut to length ready to move to the barn.
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That six foot ash log really gave me some nice lumber.
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I got 13 boards out of that log and 10 of them were completely clear. I don't see that very often.
Now the next log is on the mill but I won't be able to get to it till Monday.
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The last log is waiting it's turn and looks really good. That will be a nice way to end the ash sawing.
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Happy sawing.....Cutter
You can bet your Ash dat is purdy stuff !!! 8)
Quote from: Magicman on October 07, 2022, 09:01:40 PMbut he knocked down more trees after I left the job site this afternoon that I will saw tomorrow before folding the sawmill up and finally going home.
Yes he did and I finally finished bucking logs and sawing at ~3:30 yesterday afternoon. I loaded er up and got home with the sawmill at 8:30 last night.
No more sawing for me until mid November. R&R is calling. :)
I did have a bit of fun with some of the logs:
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What do you do with the "holey" logs?
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I made holey 12X12's.
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This Oak log was very odd. The other end of this log was normal.
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A closeup showing what appeared to be a totally different species e/w bark. What?? Me suspects that da logger was playing games and rammed a sapling into the hollow log and chainsawed it off. I'll have to admit that he made me look. ::)
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Here was a log that became a 12X12 with absolutely beautiful wood.
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But the bark could not keep a secret.
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And neither could the end grain. My thoughts immediately went to WDH. :'(
Quote from: Magicman on October 09, 2022, 04:31:47 PM. . . My thoughts immediately went to WDH. :'(
This post would've been right up his alley.
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I'm guessing that his reply would've contained an abundance of multi-syllabications and 'closed tyloses in the parenchyma'. . . and he'd be correct 99.9% of the time. He was unique.
with holy logs you pray! yes the saw marks appear to have different orientation. an no I am not speaking Woke. :)
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ERC 10 +, 2 x 4 x 8 feet. full dimension. then 20 + ERC 1 x 6 x 8 full dimension.
Cut up this hickory today.Thought it would be harder to cut than it was.Did have some stress.Kept turning and it turned out pretty good.First hickory I have ever had on my mill.Don't know what I'll use it for.Cut a couple 1/2" thick boards.Might make my grandson a sled and put thin pieces on runners.
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Quote from: Wlmedley on October 09, 2022, 05:53:51 PMCut a couple 1/2" thick boards.Might make my grandson a sled and put thin pieces on runners.
Or propellers for his airplane!! :D
I'm going to add the following in remembrance of a famous member who would no doubt reply to a hickoy post with:
smiley_devil smiley_devil smiley_devil smiley_devil smiley_devil
If it twists up very bad I'll cut it into firewood.You don't know until you try :laugh:
so, 160 bf for his order. 206 including some real rough stuff extra.
he may not want the extra, and I can find uses for it anyway, even the rough stuff works in potting benches ect.
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Slabbing up some old world wood this week. Black Walnut, Maple and Black Locust all of which came from the oldest homestead in the area. The house was built in the 1890's which for out west is pretty old ;) And the back half of the house was actually built in the 1860's and moved to add to the newer house and make it bigger. Much of the wood was dead standing and obviously branches however the customer is a woodworker with the right tools to resaw and finish so most of what he had me milling was 2 1/8", 3 1/8" and 4/4. I think the big stuff he plans to resaw on his big bandsaw mill.
I will say the Black Locust was DRY and HARD HARD HARD! I was having serious trouble with it and 10* bands which is all I have in stock (30 bands out for resharp are 4* and 7* (747's and 7's) which leaves me with some 4's ready to go to resharp and a bunch of 10*s :( So ya, I was changing bands often which only helped a LITTLE....sheesh Locust gets like rock! Best I could do was get it down narrower in width which helped. at 13" the saw was almost stalling in the cut at super slow speed! Choppy in parts but got it flat that way...wow
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Pushing the limits this morning
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I'll say!😳
Wow! :o
What did you do, hand carve the maximum size log that WM says will fit on that mill just to prove a point? :D :D :D :D
Holy COW!
At least it wasn't just big on one end.
No we slaked the other side off on the same mill. Note the mill has an extension as this is also a long log. I prize the crappy deteriorated jacket wood for box beam building.
Another load of big pine logs and 10 cords of black locust logs hit the mill yard today
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So I picked up these today. Found them on Facebook marketplace yesterday. They are urban trees, therefore guaranteed to have metal in the butt logs. The 2 butt logs are 24" and 20" Inside the bark respectively x 12', but they have a thicker than average sapwood. I did pay $1000. I had to haul a skid steer and bring another guy with me, which probably cost me another $450. I've been out of Walnut Logs for a while and I need one of the butt logs for something I'm making. I would've preferred to pay less, but I've had a hard time getting any lately.
The trees are on fire here this week in Indiana – beautiful.
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we had a few fires in the past few years, and people are trying to move walnut logs, trees damaged by fire. you do not know what you will get. and everyone thinks they are worth 10K. i have never paid more than 100 bucks for a walnut log, so I think you did well. It is usually a friend of a friend or relative, and are helping them out. Local markets, not much commercial logging here in the mountains of Kansas. :) :) :)
Doc,
I think Brad was talking about the fall foliage, not an actual fire if that is what you were thinking. ??? :D
Had a job today. Started out great with getting a flat tire on the mill in route to the site. Thankfully I always carry a spare. Arrived and the guy had absolutely done no prep. He had a skid steer but didn't hardly kne
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w how to run it. Early on I was certain the day was going to be a ADMIN EDITED BAD WORD I SHOULD NOT TRY TO DISGUISE show but it actually turned out ok. Thankfully I quoted it by the hour. Ended up cutting some nice, wide red oak. About 450 bf. The customer was happy with what he ended up with and I ended up whole so all in all not a bad day.
Thule was that the biggest can't you've ever made?!! Also was that from that big load of monster Ponderosa you got in last summer?
thanks Howard. I actually got that but the word fire reminded me of a local family that we are talking to about a bunch of standing dead walnut. When we talk with them, we never arrive at an understanding of what they want to do. they say they do not want it to go to waste, but they may be in the "it should be worth al lot of money" camp. so we cont. to visit from time to time, and hope they decide what their motivation is. they are business people so they seem to want the best of all worlds. should make good lumber and firewood. the question is for whom and how much ect.
Doc,
When I run into people like you discuss I just tell them after they have a tree service cut the trees down then they can call me and I will saw their logs for them. If they don't want them sawed up into lumber and just want them gone I will look at the logs and decide if I can move them and if it is worth my tie and effort.
Happy Birthday, @doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) !
Thank you Olcowhand. I do not feel older yet, maybe after I have my coffee.
Tule that log is almost too pretty to saw.
Howard, in this case they are actually nice people, and the son owns one of the two local breweries. they are out of there element. the son is young in his 20s and is trying to speak for the parents. hopefully will get together someday. will only take the deal if we can make a reasonable deal. they do some rustic wood stuff in the bar. We enjoy the place so will not let their lack of information ruin the deal.
Happy Birthday @doc henderson (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=41041) glad you had another!
Happy birthday Doc! ;D
thanks everyone! I have the cedar order guy coming in an hour or so. a cup of coffee and listening to the news. such a great family here. God bless you all. I am 62 today. Thanks Sam and Resonator!
Doc.
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This monster maple is what I was sawing yesterday after splitting it with my chainsaw rig :)
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We got some pretty awesome stuff out of it but half of the log was too punky. Still, super nice stuff!
And the chainsaw work? Ya, it was tough! lol I forgot how much it took. With the Granberg slabber and my 572XP (that replaced my squashed 576xp) took 5 minutes to make a 20" cut through the log. We quatered it up after a lot of extra effort as the log was 40x43" at the small end and over 56" at the fork! Took a lot of wedges and extra work as I could only get 20" with my 28" bar.
Hey Doc, Happy Birthday! We happen to share B-days on the same day, have a good one!
Well that is cool. thank you and the same for you. I will try to catch up with you, but that will be tough. :) please have a great day! Doc.
looks like i am getting tracks, tensioners, and rollers with a little service thrown in for my birthday. Pick up the machine late this afternoon.
Moved a fair amount of lumber this week. Currently 7:33pm and last customer just left with his gooseneck loaded with 129--1x11x16' & 18'. I edged them all this morning. A productive week.
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Quote from: doc henderson on October 14, 2022, 02:01:42 PM
looks like i am getting tracks, tensioners, and rollers with a little service thrown in for my birthday. Pick up the machine late this afternoon.
Happy Birthday guys! Did you get your machine Doc?
Yes and it drives smooth. It is prob. all I will get for my birthday! :)
Good deal!!! Hope you get a little Birthday cake!!
Got back to the backyard salvage site again. Making a start on the big log. It's got a few bark inclusions and random spots of rot, but cutting around those I'm getting some good boards. MIll is maxed out on log size, but the end supports are on boards so we can shuffle the whole mile side to side a little to increase the cut width, without messing up the levels.
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Definitely NOT a saw log.
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Mulberry. Sawing for bowl blanks.
Sorry but no pictures - my camera is in the shop for repair.
My last customer I sawed for on 6 October told his neighbor about me and the neighbor called me to come saw for him so I did so today. He had 9 pine logs from 8-12 ft long and we sawed them into 4/4 and 8/4 lumber. We ended up with about 1450 bf of lumber. The customer was a retired Marine. his cousin, another retired Marine and a neighbor with a smaller mill came by to watch. We probably spent too much time talking about the Corps and the difference in mill types and features and I had a great time and he says he'll be calling me back when he gets some more logs in the next few weeks.
As icing on the cake the first customer met at the start of the day and advised me when he unloaded the trailer last time he found some overlooked boards he had miscounted when we did our tally and paid me an extra $71. It is great to have honest customers. :)
I stopped by my son's place and set up and left the mill. I did saw one small WO into 4/4 before dark. He has 3-4 more I will do in the next day or so.
Got a guy who wanted a 10/4 slab of red oak 9ft long. Not sure if he's actually gonna buy anything, he's gone back and forth with me for a few weeks. Pretty heavy stuff, the log itself was not the best but only one I had 9ft long so it is what it is. Slabbed it all up and stacked it on another red oak log I slabbed up a couple weeks ago. Part of me regrets it as I could have gotten a lot of dimensional lumber out of that log for a shed I'm building next year, but I still have 5 more 8ft oak logs to get through. Winter Is Coming!
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I went up to my son's place 10 miles away and finished sawing the last 5-6 WO and RO logs he had. I sawed one small log into 2/4 for deer blind material and the rest into 4/4 bords. I sawed about 330 bf/sf today and just called a repeat customer who wanted a couple hundred feet so that should work out well for both of them. I brought the mill home but still need to unload the tools and such in the morning.
I passed 2 big 8-10 point whitetail bucks on the way home that looked like they were ready to tie up for a fight so the rut is nearly here. It was right at sunset and I saw lots of smaller deer too.
My camera is still in for repair so no pictures.
Still chipping away at the Macrocarpa logs when I have free time. Flipping a part sawed log over to get a live edge slab, Hard to judge scale, but it's ~10cm (4") thick. Luckily the homeowner had his son and some mates around to use his home gym, so they get a bit of extra weight training in. We also wrangled the part sawed log on the right up onto the base, so I can trim that down. Leaving the slabs for the homeowner as I have enough already.
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Check the trees we are working under. That tire swing on the right is a full size tractor tire hanging from the middle tree. Probably 10ft dbh?, and on the back lawn.
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Bought a load of nice cypress home yesterday. A few defects and some punky sapwood in places (tree was standing dead), but getting some completely clear boards too. That's the stump of the tree behind the trailer. It was a "safety" removal, so they didn't bother taking the last chunk down, and the township has just planted some native trees around it. There is a public walkway on the other side of the stump.
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Happy to finally be able to post here. These were post oak logs that have been cut into timbers for a timber frame house. I've cut a little over 4500 bf. so far on my home built sawmill.
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We made all of the off cuts 8/4 boards.
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Had a few minutes this evening and went down to the mill.
Just in case you don't recognize this wood, it's social Cottonwood.. You can tell it by its wave as you saw..... :)
:) :) :)
This is the first time that I have ever heard that description.....and I like it. :)
I just learned that what I sawed yesterday was very social white oak!
No pictures - my camera is still in repair in IL. I went to a sawing job 32 miles away today and sawed 1762 bf of 7/8" white pine for a customer who met me at a Flea Market showing 14 months ago. In that case I took my mill to the local flea market and showed it off. I did not saw anything that trip but did another trip with sawing a couple of months ago. At lest for me the flea market has proven good advertising. It is common to get such calls months to years after people met me there.
I'd say 75% of what I sawed today was 10" wide.
My helper noticed a loose wheel on my mill and tightened the axle nut for me at the end of the job. He was a great off bearer all day too. The log/boards were all 6' long and the customer nails them up along his fence to make a windbreak for his cows. He leaves about a 1" gap between each board so the wind doesn't blow down his fences. He says the cows really like it.
Always good to hear the cows are pleased. smiley_thumbsup
Quotemy camera is still in repair in IL.
Curious, what kind/type camera can be repaired? Sending it back to the factory? Just wondering, not interested in the make.
It is a little Canon digital point and shoot. I called a couple of camera stores and asked if they repaired such and got a referral to these folks. I sent it to them, they did a free estimate and sent me a repair cost and I agreed and paid. It should be back in 1-3 weeks per their estimate. I will see how the repair work looks and how it works but I am well pleased with the repair shops process so far.
That's good to hear. In this throw away world what were they able to service? Must be a talented shop.
Had a job today sawing a bunch of marginal logs for a local customer. I was charging by the hour so it was ok. He was happy with what he ended up with so that's what matters.
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Just finished a quick morning job. Slabbed 2 red oak logs for a repeat customer. I dropped off the mill last night on my way back from yesterdays job and when I arrived this morning the customer had already put the jacks down and had the mill leveled so that was nice!
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Finished up the urban salvage mission today and got the mill out and back under cover before the expected weekend rain. Left the chunky life edge slabs with Tony the homeowner, and had a short chat with his wife as I was leaving. She has decided that he needs to make 4 tables for each their (now mostly adult) children, because it would be cool to have one from a tree they grew up playing under. So along with the slabs I've left a selection of good 4x4, 4x2, 6x2 etc. Stuff you can make table bases or legs with. He seems a pretty handy guy.
I hauled home a nice stack of mostly clear cypress, make nice furniture, so I'm happy with the overall deal, and it sure beats the whole tree being lopped up for firewood. Tony still has a small Mt of firewood to process. :D
Monterrey Cypress is native to the US (California), but doesn't seem common or milled often there. I'm not even sure what wood it would compare to? Locally it's very much like Kauri Pine (Agathis species), but that's not much use if you have never seen that. It does have an entry in the wood database, where they say it can grow up to 1m DBH. :D The tree I've been working under is at least 3m diameter. :o
Monterey Cypress | The Wood Database (Softwood) (https://www.wood-database.com/monterey-cypress/)
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Looks great 👍
This what I'm NOT sawing. :D
Hard to judge the trees in the background of the other milling pics. But this is the larger one, with a 28" bar chainsaw for scale.
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My estimate is the tree would have been planted maybe 100 years ago as shelter trees on a farm beside the local river. It's now one of 3 in Tony's backyard :o He does have a large backyard by NZ standards.
The one we milled (some upper branches only) was growing in the town reserve 6ft over his fence. One of the other ones there is a huge multi-leader monster maybe 12ft across?
What kind of tree is that? It must be a fast growing species to be that big in 100 yrs. I bet it's a lot older...
Sawing as big of posts as I can get out of red oak logs. Most are 10" X 10" and 10' plus long. The guy didn't want any side lumber from his logs but wanted the slabs for firewood. My plan was to drag back the heavy slabs and flip the posts off the mill onto the forklift arms. It was going great until I broke a link in the feed chain. It will only take a repair link to get going again but it was a PITA getting the feed chain threaded back through the frame. Took a couple of hours and I didn't get the job completed. :'(
This is my first problem with the feed chain since the mill was new 12 years ago. I've really abused it dragging back way more than I should. Wonder if its time to replace the chains.
Quote from: Larry on October 27, 2022, 09:08:45 PMTook a couple of hours and I didn't get the job completed. :'(
Wonder if its time to replace the chains.
That is a matter of how much do you value your time vs the cost of a new chain and installing it.
GAB
Sawed three maple logs this morning into 3" slabs, arrived at 730, headed home at 10. 1hr each way. Two helpers and two spectators. Here's a pic of the spectators.
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WOW!
What a treat! Absolutely spectacular 👍
That's a great picture.
Camera is still in the shop but should be home soon. No pictures till then. I went to a repeat customer 26 miles away today and first re-sawed some poplar beams we cut several years ago into 6/4 boards for a customer who wants to make them into shiplap. Seeing how they cracked and split I can see why so many experienced member recommend against sawing logs into cants for storage.
After that we sawed a bunch of mostly small, older poplar logs into 5/4 boards. We will resume that in the morning then saw some 5/4 X 6" Red Oak fence boards. We did not do a tally today but I'm thinking we cut about 1700 bf.
I went back for four hours this morning and sawed a few walnut then several red oak logs all into 5/4 lumber. I like sawing 5/4! It builds up faster and I don't have that anal pucker factor when I make that last cut on a thin dog board. When we tallied we had cut 3250 bf yesterday and this morning. It sure is nice to have good help who keeps the boards moving and a log on the loading arms so I don't have to wait for the next one.
I brought the mill home and got everything put away till the next time.
Cut these a few days ago. Sawed easily, open tylosses, diffuse porus, bark had deep furrows.
:D
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What were they going to use them for. You really want to Impress us saw some galvanized ones 😂
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got a big load of that hollow culvertus ditchaparis
Did you get good fleck patterns when you quartersaw them? :D :D
I assume they were used for feed troughs or such.
Well, at least you could 'see' you had no metal in there. :D
Doc, that load should be under the Score of the Day thread. I would kill to get my hands on half that load and fix some issues here.
I have one of these down on the log pile at the mill but it is steel and only has 3/8" of sapwood all around for the 20' length. Straight as a pipe though. I think Bill put it there to test me, but I am waiting for a carbide blade. ;D
WV guessed it. Forage feeders for hens. Bought a small forage chopper so I can chop alfalfa baleage and feed it to them in the winter to replace pasture intake so egg quality dosen't suffer.
If it works well I will try raising pastured broilers in the off season using the same concept.
Neat thing was the band would sing with each rib so by changing the saw speed it made a tune. My wife actually came from the other side of the mill yard to see just what the heck we were doing as the kid in me kept changing the feed speed. :D
😂😂😂 On another "note", your mill yard looks nearly as neat as mine, Southside😁
Oh it's a mess, can't get the help
I used to blame it on other stuff, but have finally had to admit that it is just who I am as a person😂
I was gonna say they were for concrete chutes. Hope you used an old blade (if it wasn't dull, probably is now). :D
I bet there are more mill yards that look pretty similar to SS's mill yard than are neat and tidy especially if you are a 1 man show. Mine is not super tidy.
They are plastic, I doubt the band knew it was cutting anything.
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Neat thing was the band would sing with each rib so by changing the saw speed it made a tune. My wife actually came from the other side of the mill yard to see just what the heck we were doing as the kid in me kept changing the feed speed. :D
OMG Southside :D :D That is funny! Playing a tune on the sawmill! :D :D
Got to bring the sawmill out of it's brief retirement while I have been building the house and shop. Did some fun sawing this weekend with Dad. Started with some 12x12 cedar posts that will be porch posts for my Grandma's house that she's building. We cut them tapered from 12x12 to 8x8. They are each about 6' long.
Dad built the box in the picture below. We set each post in the box on the 2" block that you see in there. Made the first cut then flipped the post over and added the second block that you can see laying in the bed rails to make the cut on the 2nd face. Turn 90 and repeat for the other side.
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Ended up with a pile of INTENTIONAL 6' long wedges and 3 tapered posts. Dad sanded them with 60 grit on the orbital and they're ready to install.
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Next we sawed 850 bd ft of 8' and 12' 4/4 poplar and got it all on stick to start drying. The two biggest logs were close to 30" on the small end and made some beautiful lumber. Some of the boards were 20" wide with not a single blemish.
Here was the 28" - 12' log.
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This is the lumber from the two biggest logs. after we got it on sticks. We ended up with another pallet of 8' stuff, but not picture of it.
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My son dropped off 2 - 7' WO logs (they had been one but had split down the middle) for me to saw into 1/2", one live edge boards for him to use to finish a shooting house he and his buddy are building. I got about 107 sf out of it which should finish the walls nearly 2 times over. I'll probably go help him tomorrow and hopefully it will be finished and ready to use. They have not decided whether to build a set of steps, a ladder or a ramp up to the door. I'd favor a ramp but it's up to them. They also need a door. They plan to take one out of a shop but I'd just make a simple wooden door as I think that will be faster and easier.
A guy saw me out there sawing and stopped by to see if I saw of the public and I may saw for him in the near future. I saw several people looking as they drove by and was surprised none stopped by.
A few days ago I sawed up some hickory and had a difficult time of it. I had four logs but only sawed two of them. I've sawed hickory before a number of times so I know it's hard but I've never had a real problem with it. However, these logs were like sawing rocks.
The butt log had some rot in it but most of the log was good.
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I put on a brand new blade and went to it. The blade was sharp but had difficulty in that log.
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After cutting the rot out there was a nice cant left.
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Going slowly I did get some nice lumber but also a lot of slab wood.
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The next morning I put the 2nd log on the mill. Cutting a slab on the 2nd side it dove. WHAT!? This blade has only sawed one log!
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I made a thin correction cut and got through it ok but almost done sawing boards off the cant it dove again.
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Now I'm angry with myself for not changing the blade before and I'm not having any fun. I changed the blade and finished the log and got some nice lumber.
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The other two hickory logs on the deck I removed and put them on the firewood pile. As I said before I have never had real problems sawing hickory before. I know each tree is an individual and even trees of the same species can saw differently but man, this tree was a humdinger.
I think I'm going after soft maple next.
Keep on sawing.....Cutter
Pine logs today.
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Man, y'all grow some squirrely trees out there on the left coast!
LOL I am a square peg in a round hole here in Lala land :D These logs are actually pretty nice straight, purpose bought material. Maybe the mill needs alignment....... ::)
The hexes are fairly consistent, but the pentas have me wondering and curious.
Guessing the outside of the logs was bad and slabbed off? ???
(Or maybe the outside was the good part). ;D
Quote from: Larry on October 27, 2022, 09:08:45 PMhis is my first problem with the feed chain since the mill was new 12 years ago. I've really abused it dragging back way more than I should. Wonder if its time to replace the chains.
It's always a good idea to replace the sprockets whenever you replace the chain and vice versa.
The good part. Pine and white fir I use for hollow box beams and build a lot of them. The last couple of years I have sought out and found markets for the jackets and skins from saw logs. This load of logs will go next to 4/4 mixed run sliced up and stacked for glue up into faux box beams. The sweet spot is that the jackets are sold at profit for more than the cost of the load of logs. The jackets/skins go to rustic fencing, siding, box beams, architectural trim and on and on. I'm at a point where people are asking for my scraps and complaining when they actually have to pay for them. Such as a request I had 2 days ago when people come to a sawmill and think that I should give them my time to freely load my scrap. I took a lesson from the big mills; they even sell their sawdust!!
So, these odd bodken log cants are now paid for material that goes into storage to blue out more, let the worms eat at them a bit and do the work for me for future orders.
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@Larry (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=125) thanks for that post. I noticed my gantry was not parallel to the bunk. I had never tensioned by drive chains and never had a problem. I had recently bumped a slab backing up and kicked it into the guide roller. It bent the support and that must have been when it skipped a cog. I loosened up the chain and tensioned that side of the gantry forward so I could get into the square tubbing and move the chain. I used some hose pliers as the weight of the chain and the face that it encounters 3/4 around the sprocket made it take a few tries. My chain had about 8 inches slack I could lift it up off the rail. now only 3 inches. Having read your post let me see what was wrong and fix it straight away!
Quote from: tule peak timber on November 04, 2022, 07:39:06 PM
I am a square peg in a round hole here in Lala land
Quote from: tule peak timber on November 04, 2022, 07:39:06 PMAs long as your square peg sides are less than .707106781 times the diameter of the round hole there should be no problem. Stated another way; as long as the diagonal of the square peg is less than the diameter of the round hole you should not have a problem.
GAB
Quote from: doc henderson on November 05, 2022, 08:34:16 AM
My chain had about 8 inches slack I could lift it up off the rail. now only 3 inches. Having read your post let me see what was wrong and fix it straight away!
Yes, my chain had too much slack in it also. That may have something to do with it breaking. I took out a couple of bent links and put in a repair link. Adjusted slack and sawed a couple thousand foot without problem so maybe I'm good.
what did you use to remove links. grinder and a punch? spinner breaker?
My partner and I have been working on our property in Vermont since March this year, and while the focus has been on getting utilities on-site, we had to clear about 350 trees in the process. We've been doing all this ourselves with limited mechanical assistance (just a small-ish 40hp tractor) so it's been slow going hard work, but also incredibly rewarding.
As we learned the hard way, felling trees is relatively quick, but the cleanup takes time! We limbed each one, bucked 17ft logs off where possible, ran everything else through the 6" PTO chipper on our tractor, and stacked the logs.
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This is just one of our log piles, and while this one is mainly spruce and pine, behind it is another with some hard woods. The area we've been clearing is mainly spruce (about 40 years old but too dense, so not very large but arrow straight) but we also have some pine, birch, beech, maple (hard and soft) and cherry.
Finally, a couple of weeks ago, we were able to fire up our Woodland Mills HM126 which had been sitting almost unused since last year, and begin milling some lumber. We would have loved to have started sooner, and we know some of the lumber will have degraded, but priority decisions had to be made.
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We've been milling every day for the past week or so, and have about another week to go before we need to wrap up for the season. Our focus has been getting the "infrastructure" set up and a workflow worked out so that when we're back in spring, we can hit the ground running.
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We've created piles for different wood species and lengths, and are still trying to work out what to do with all the sawdust and slab offcuts (we already have far more firewood than we know what to do with!). In the foreground above is the base assembly of our solar kiln - we started it last year and while we haven't had time to get to it this year, it's a priority for us in spring next year.
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Anyway, thought I'd share a quick update as I owe a lot of what we've been able to do so far to what I've learned from this community.
There's a lot of maple sugar makers around you there in Vt. advertise the slabs for sale or free. Your land and work area looks great. How do you like the sawmill, my son is looking at the 126?
What am I sawing? Ants. I'm sawing ants. I've never seen so much ant damage or so many ants in one log. This was a big cedar. I got some nice boards out of the log, but also a lot of junk. A taxidermist asked me to mill this for him. He makes panels to mount deer out of cedar. I asked if he ever uses anythign else and he said occasionally a guy will want walnut, but mostly cedar.
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you might think it looks like junk, but some epoxy and that might be just the thing for some. could prob incorporate the insects unless you are vegan. :)
at first i thought you had a cnc router and were in process of carving a name or something. :D
"so you say you like rustic"!
I sawed into a black cherry like that a few years back and even made a 5' live edge bench and was going to fill it with epoxy but after I calculated how much epoxy it was going to take I gave it to a friend to finish. I realized I'd never be able to sell it around here for what I'd have in it.
Yeah, that's bad stuff. There must be money in it somewhere. :D :D :D
I milled up some ERC about 5 weeks ago nd had similar results (but not THAT bad) and I just milled it out and sticker stacked it. My thought was the standard sizes would stack better and I wouldn't cut out the garbage until I knew what I was doing with it. If it had been RO or Maple most of that stuff would have got loped off and thrown in the boiler. BUT I have to fight and still get lucky to get my hands on that stuff, so I treat it like gold. I keep checking and it's down to 10-12% already. I have winter builds on my mind. ;D
Those butt ugly pieces would take a LOT of epoxy to fill. But they would likely would look cool. The real question is: What can you make form them to draw a worthwhile price, and as Howard noted, can you draw that kind of money in your demographic?
I would keep it.
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never seen book matched ant tunnels! 8)
Its all out there laying next to the mill carport. I may save some of it after the ants have left. I thought that first picture slab looked realy cool.
It looks Arabic or like a pixel type camo for the military. the red against a contrasting epoxy would be stunning... if you can afford it. :)
I got some ERC from my parents place when a few trees were blown over early this year, it was decent sized but not huge and things were going great until ants started pouring out of it. I'll happily take a chance on a suspect log that I think might have some neat figure inside. I've learned that I have to keep some bug spray near by and RAID ain't gonna do it. I mix my own now and keep it in a spray bottle. If I were into a bunch of logs I knew probably had bugs, I'd mix up a couple gallons in a pressure sprayer and get them hosed down ahead of time and in process as needed.
Tell you what Bill, if you decide to get rid of some of that really ate up stuff, send it to me. It can't weigh but a few ounces anyway. :D I try dumping some epoxy in and ship it to NYC for sale. :D ;D
As far as the ants go, we have a system for that at the mill. We bring them up by the chicken coop and drop them on the ground for a few minutes. In seconds there are 40 chickens cleaning them out like sharks feeding on a whale carcass. Before you drop all the boards, the first ones are cleaned up and ready for re-stacking. It's a sustainable practice that helps the environment, feeds the livestock, supports my food supply (gotta have my morning eggs) and also provides entertainment. The downside is the chickens get excited when they hear the mill fire up. ;D
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I would keep it.
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great material for doors and gates.
That first picture is a nice epoxy candidate.
I sawed ants in cedar years ago and framed it and entered it in an art show at church. It went very fast.
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Quote from: Ed_K on November 08, 2022, 05:33:58 PM
There's a lot of maple sugar makers around you there in Vt. advertise the slabs for sale or free. Your land and work area looks great. How do you like the sawmill, my son is looking at the 126?
Thanks Ed! We have a lot of sugar maples on our property too, but most are relatively young and a little too small to mill or tap for now, although we do have enough larger ones to tap for our own sugaring. We did a small-scale test on a few trees this year and are planning to scale up production to maybe a gallon or so next year.
Most of what we're milling is spruce (the area we're clearing for the house site is dominated by spruce) and the slabs are supposedly great for firewood for sugaring like you say - I'll have to ask around and see who needs what.
The sawmill is great, and so far it's been able to handle everything we've thrown at it...just! We put our largest ever log through on Monday - a 8.5ft pine that measured ~29" at the fat end. After removing the bark and giving it a light haircut in spots with the chainsaw, we managed to get it milled - gave us some beautiful lumber!
If I were buying again, I'd still strongly consider the HM126, although I may also look at the HM130 Max which supports their new powerhead and has electric start (my partner can't start the HM126 engine and it usually takes me a few attempts). In terms of engine, we opted for the 14hp over the 9.5hp and I'm very glad we did - that extra power is much appreciated! Overall, we're very happy with the HM126 so far.
Love those ants and worms !
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Always love to see your fine craftsmanship!!
About six weeks ago I sawed an oak burl that had a bullfrog in it.
Dang it Tom. I didn't think of opening my coop which is right next to the mill.
Great ideas on the ant wood. I will pick some of it up and set it aside to dry.
Is the bullfrog, ok?
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accidently welded a mouse that was living in the tongue of my log splitter.
Don't think you have to go so low on the MC of that mouse next time.
Yes, Jeremiah jumped out of the hole, landed underneath the sawmill, and hopped away.
Frogs, mice, lizards, flying squirrels, snakes, plus the various insects. 8)
:) :) :)
Quote from: Walnut Beast on November 09, 2022, 09:57:52 AM
Always love to see your fine craftsmanship!!
I'm not called the Wizard of crap for nothing ;D
Had a 6' black snake come out of one of the access frame holes on my 70 one time just as the head was passing by. Looked like a hydraulic line had come out of the energy chain and was heading for the band, so as I am frantically trying to shut off the clutch, stop the forward motion all at the same time expecting $300 a pail hydraulic oil to start spewing out the snake managed to avoid every moving part of the mill and just boogied out of there.
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We pulled a hollow cypress log out of the pond a few years ago and sawed it. This unlucky crawdad got sawed too.
well... how did it taste? digin_2
More mill friends.
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my cousin caught this, what she thought was a mouse she had been hearing, in a glue trap. i asked for some close up pics but she declined. prob. not a Massasauga but a bull snake. she also declined to get a pic of the tail or inside the mouth, Mary Jo. >:(
We had a mouse get caught in a glue board like that in one of our hootches in Bagram in Afghanistan and a 4' cobra attacked it and got caught and flopped all over the place before it was dispatched.
Shortly after I bought my sawmill and before I learned to remove the blade at the end of each day's sawing, I got quite a (messy) surprise.
I tightened the blade and when I engaged it, bam!!! :o Blade off and stinky rat guts everywhere! :-X
Read the TK 2020 manual, watched the CD video. Have had the mill covered for a month or so. Have only started the diesel once a week. Haven't engaged the clutch yet. It's still in transportation mode. Trying to get a log yard excavated to build a saw shed.
The manual didn't say anything about snakes, mice or scorpions. :embarassed:
You can also add bird nests in and around the fan shroud and any other nook or cranny that is covered.
Back to sawing today after exactly 6 weeks of R&R. And sawing my most disliked species for sawing, ERC. That plus I was facing North directly into the wind. :-X
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Six logs but the longer ones in the center were 19' so actually eight logs. I was concerned about the log on the left especially since it had that center swell...
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shown here but my concerns were unfounded. It was 12' and the end rot only extended a couple of feet.
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This board with an embedded 22 bullet was nice trophy for the customer.
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This was a minimum sawing job so $400 plus $135 for 3 nail damaged blades. I was only 6 miles from home.
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The sawmill is set up and ready to saw these ERC logs tomorrow. The cut list is mostly for building stairs in a cabin.
Definitely not my favorite for sure either. Especially eating that dust.
More of it this morning for a different customer.
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The customer's two sons stripping the bark off of the half-round stair risers.
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This is about half of the cut list so we will be back Monday to finish. The half rounds plus 2X4's, 2X6's, & 2X2's, all for the stairs.
Those half log stairs should have a nice look! smiley_thumbsup
Those ERC stair treads have some beautiful character on the live edge,
Looks like a fun job too get you back in the swing of milling again Lynn
Lobulations!
Finished sawing the cabin stair ERC lumber this morning.
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The remainder of the half-round stair treads, 2X2 spindles, and 1" lumber. The customer was very pleased.
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And then why I do portable sawing. I had to dispose of the slabs.
Anyway it is done I have no sawing planned until Nov, 28th.
I figured most who were sawing at home and didn't have a permanent plan for offcuts had a burn barrel going constantly, I know I do. Burning up wet wood doesn't happen particularly quickly but it sure beats having to figure out what to do with it.
I have a burn hollow about 50ft from the end of my sawmill when it is at home that all my slabs go in to be burned whenever they are dry enough. But like MM 95 percent or more of my sawing is portable.
I have a huge bonfire in my pasture about once a month. If you use a couple gallons of diesel and a leaf blower it won't matter if the slabs are green.
QuoteI have no sawing planned until Nov, 28th.
Unless on the 24th you're sawing up turkey, taters, punkin' pahh... ;D
I live in town so there is no burn option, and I really can not take them to the street for pickup because that would indicate a commercial operation. Pine and Oak slabs will rot down in a few years but this ERC mess will hang on for many years. Anyway it's out of sight for now and maybe spontaneous combustion will happen. :-X
I also do not sell lumber but when I was cleaning up a guy drove up looking for five 10 foot 2X12's. I do have a stack of dried SYP so I "gave" him the lumber for $40. He was happy and it was no big deal for me. At least it paid for the Diesel and blade sharpening for sawing the entire stack. ;D
surely you can have a chiminea or a fire pit!? how bout one of those hundreds of dollars solo stoves. cut the on a chop saw 12 inches and someone will want them.
Doc - don't call him Shirley. :D
Shirley ain't much for sitting outside in the cold warming a fire and freezing on the backside.
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those rustic slabs would have made great siding for a hunting blind. :)
Or sliced up thin for Christmas ornaments or cedar planks for closets or salmon grilling.
You don't want to use ERC for grilling. It off gasses some not so pleasant compounds.
My normal is that; "I saws um and leaves um". This was an instance of accommodating a many times repeat customer who gradually accumulated ERC logs and staged them here.
I sawed all of his framing lumber, B&B siding, and wall paneling during the past few years, most of which having Luke as my Tailgunner.
Lynn, there are lots of uses for those slabs. I just did a whack 6 weeks ago and instead of chucking the slabs in the owb, I brought them home (yup I did). I cut them into 12-14" chunks which I might bundle and sell as kindling, but they also make good air fresheners. I have one on the dash of the truck and when the heat comes up it smells nice in there. I have one on a the radiator of my bathroom. Some I use for kindling in the shop stove. If I were doing shows I think I might take a bunch of shorts, clean them up, drill a hole on one end for a hanger string and staple them in a plastic bag to sell as 'redneck air fresheners". I joked about it on my FB business page and had 4 people contact me to get some.
We always have options.
Take a closer look at what I was disposing. Those were not actual slabs, it was scraps. The couple of thicker butt pieces quickly feathered to nothing.
Anything that had a clear face got edged and stacked. I can assure you that all of the usable material was on the trailer.
Yeah, I did look close. Your pile looks exactly like mine. Cedar is it's own thing and I use the term 'slabs' very loosely here. The wood burns quick and the bark is easy to take off if dry. In fact, cedar bark was shredded and used in fire making kits back in the flint and steel days because it could catch and hold a spark. You can't find better kindling IMHO. But don't load a stove with it because it will take off!
Ready to ship this morning.
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where are those going Tule?
Lynn, you know we are just funnin ya! :)
Bonsall Ca., a place called Rawhide Ranch.
what will they do with them?
Not sure. Rawhide is like a small town, old western theme, where kids from all over the world come to play cowboy, tend animals, hoot and holler, and generally have a good time. Privately owned, Christain oriented super camp for young'uns. They run year-round and I closely support what they do :)
https://www.rawhideranch.com/
Nice camp! Very similar to the Ashokan Center over the hill form me. Active educational programs for kids to learn them up on something besides video games.
I looked at their photos and it is likely they are using the slabs for siding and fences or false fronts. Take a look at the photo of the post office (upstairs), that might be it.
neat camp. brought tears to my eyes. Kids are great!
Also a Rawhide Ranch in Wisconsin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rawhide_Boys_Ranch
Great to have such places.
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Rob, those slabs resemble the Cypress ones that I sawed that had the bark stripped off and were nailed on and chinked to imitate a log building. $$$
On this job, the slabs were the cut list. Whatever lumber that was inside was a by-product.
Today I sawed for an arborist.
From hemlock to white pine to walnut to butternut to cypress.
GAB
Hello all. Last week I sawed up six red maple logs. This was the last sawing of the year for me as I will store the mill in the barn for the winter.
A couple of weeks ago I cut down this big old (116 yo) red maple. Because of the rot and the shape of the tree there was only two useable logs.
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YH says if it don't roll it's not a log. Well, maybe I should call these pieces of trees because they sure didn't roll very well.
Anyway, I went after another tree and got four more logs.
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You can see on that big butt log with those deep furrows that there is going to be a lot of waste.
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However, getting past the ingrown bark there was a lot of nice clear wood.
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The 2nd log of that tree also had a lot of waste but produced some good lumber.
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The four logs from the other tree sawed out with less waste.
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Those six logs gave me a nice stack of lumber.
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Now it's time to put the saw mill away and start working on firewood.
Happy sawing.....Cutter
Not bad Cutter. Sometimes ya gotta do a little work to make chicken soup out of chicken s---. smiley_thumbsup
I find red maple to be like that. At least it didn't have much twist so that's good.
An old well made fiddle by Mr. Jeane Horner.
Fiddle maker Jean Horner - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omNKvegffjk)
Sawed this big one today 48" butt
Getting some wide boards and 6x6 out of it
We had the first snow of the season then it turned to rain.
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Bald Cypress and SYP. My inventory.
Another load of cypress and syp coming tomorrow.
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Get JFD to tell how he unloaded a log trailer with a skid steer.
John and I spent a good portion of this cool morning pulling poverty stick cypress out of the pond. He was in the canoe, and I was on the tractor. We are sawing some cypress 1x's for a fellow who is building an 18'x 10' gun room, with 12' ceilings. We spent way too much time today cutting the order but we sawed some really nice cypress. We will empty the kiln on Monday and likely put this order in and let it go for a few weeks. Normally, I like to air dry our lumber for a while prior to putting it in the kiln but with the expected weather and the time constraints on the "barndominium", we'll probably get it dried faster with just putting it in the kiln.
The telehandler that we recently purchased is proving to be a real asset, but we have not had time to really go through it and work out some of the quirks (charging system, steering synchronization and hydraulic leaks).
We will probably saw another good cypress log on Monday to ensure we have plenty of dry cypress to complete the customer's gun room.
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Do any of you take a log like Cutter's furrowed maple and open it up with more than 4 faces?
Caveman that was the first and hopefully the last time I'll have to do that.
We wanted to saw a little more cypress than the builder/contractor ordered to ensure that he has enough to do the project. This morning we started prospecting in the pond for some decent sunken cypress logs. The water was colder than I wanted to get into, and the pond is still deep (2" of rain yesterday), so I just went to likely spots and started dropping a grapple on the end of a choker. The first log turned out to be a longleaf pine. After several attempts and a bit of frustration, I hung one that we suspected was pecky cypress. It turned out not to be pecky but had some heart rot in the first foot or so above the felling cut. Regardless, the 16' log was bucked into 8's and yielded some beautiful, clear cypress.
A couple of things to notice. The pecky logs often have little holes on the ends. The bark comes off easily after spending time under water. The wood smells sour until it dries. My hands smell sour after stacking and handling this wood until they don't. Our little dust collector could not keep up with the quantity of wet sawdust this morning's sawing produced (on 10" boards, the blade was advancing about 2" per revolution).
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Quote from: caveman on November 21, 2022, 04:41:01 PMThe pecky logs often have little holes on the ends.
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An example of the end of a pecky Cypress log and....
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what was inside. ;D
Gorgeous boards! 8)
Magic, earlier in the year when the pond was shallower, the butt end of that log was visible and from the distance we assumed it was pecky. We have sawn some nice pecky logs that we got with this bunch. The ones we sawed were not as pecky as yours. Those you sawed look like they spent a good while submerged.
I asked a couple of foresters and rangers at the district FFA forestry contest last week if they knew of anyone locally who is cutting cypress. No leads from them.
I recently got a call from a guy in Mobile, AL , wanting to buy only pecky Cypress. I wished him luck.
I did saw a large Cypress job this Summer that had a majority of pecky, probably 75%. Still, duplicating that would be a stretch especially since you can't tell that it is pecky in tree form.
Yes, that pecky log/lumber that I pictured above was a sinker and I have no idea what the customer did with that lumber.
Quote from: Bruno of NH on November 16, 2022, 03:33:20 PM
Sawed this big one today 48" butt
Getting some wide boards and 6x6 out of it
We had the first snow of the season then it turned to rain.
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Big one. I like your saw shack.
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Suns out and about forty today in the Catskills. Sawing some nice pine to finish up the planer shed.
John and I had one repeat customer scheduled to show up around noon so this morning we cleaned up a bit and took a ride in the JD Gator to the end of the road where a neighbor has some land. There are a few dead pines that still have the needles attached so they should be worth sawing. We may get them tomorrow.
While waiting on the customer to bring us a few of his water oak limbs (logs) to saw, we sawed a few short but decent cedar logs a tree guy dropped off a few weeks ago. Based on the punk on the center of the logs, we were not really expecting too much as far as the quality of the slabs, but they turned out really good. They are about 75-80 inches, but they should still sell. We have been sawing at least one mantle each time we saw slabs. These are 20-24" wide. They dry slow and sell slow, but they do sell and generally for a $GU or more (the mantles).
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We had a SW wind today, which meant I was getting blasted in the face with cedar sawdust while sawing. More cedar in the morning but not as wide.
Man, those are beauties! I would (almost) kill to get a couple of pieces like that. Maybe you will still have some left when the next sawing project rolls around?
Tom, I hope they are gone by then, but we usually have some cedar on hand. It is hit or miss for us on the cedar. We'll go for a while and not have any good cedar logs and then we'll end up with some. The ones we will saw tomorrow came from a repeat customer/former student. I let him borrow my trailer to go to Ocala to get some cedar logs, we sawed half for him, and we kept the rest. I'm particular who I loan stuff to, but this young man is dependable (also a firefighter).
What is the process that creates the pecky cypress?
It is caused by a fungus "polyporus amarus" while the tree is alive. Once the tree is felled, the fungus dies and the fungal attack which causes the long hollow burrows stop.
And all these years I thought it was from storing pecker poles in the same water with the cypress. Who knew?
QuoteIt is caused by a fungus "polyporus amarus" while the tree is alive.
Sounds like something "Mr. Big Words" would say. smiley_thumbsup
I never realized how much rain we had coming or I would have already moved the sawmill to Monday's sawing site. It's gonna be mushy plus there is more water forecast for Wednesday. ::)
This sawing is for a repeat customer that I sawed over 21Mbf for back in April.
John and I sawed a bit more cedar today. Most of this died after Irma, five years ago.
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The dirt area had several cedar trees that died after Irma that I did not push until last week.
Got off early today so I stabbed some short red oak that I had laying around.
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widest cut was 30"
I finished sawing the White Oak trailer decking and am now sawing 1X8 SYP.
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The customer and tailgunner removing loose bark.
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SYP in the foreground with White Oak behind the Tailgunner and previously sawn 21Mbf stickered in the far background.
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A closer view of the previously sawn framing lumber that the customer erected a 25'X80' "shed" over.
I may finish sawing this job tomorrow......or maybe not. ::)
Must be cold down there, y'all have pants on.
Yup, short sleeve T shirts and long pants. ::)
The temp did hit 73° today but it's forecast to drop to 34° tomorrow night. 78° forecast for next week and then dropping again which is typical for us. Our weather is controlled by the Gulf of Mexico so it's always changing.
I only worked this morning due to the severe weather possibilities as two weather systems collide over us during the next 12 hours.
Well today at the mill in addition to wool blend socks and my double front logger jeans I was wearing a T-shirt, a long sleeve Carhart undershirt over that, a long sleeve hickory shirt over that, a hoody over that, and a 3 season jacket, plus a stocking cap under my ear muffs. Oh, I I put the wool liners in my gauntlet work gloves. But it wasn't really cold today, just in the 30's.
Working it that heat has to be rough. ;D
We are acclimated and have learned to suffer through it. smiley_sweat_drop
At one time someone told me a minimum size that bands should get to after several sharpenings. I use
1 1/4" blades. When I start sharpening, I will need to know which ones are past their useful life.
Not scientific but the ones that have survived long enough to make it to that point will give me trouble with the advancer not having enough clearance to push them ahead without fetching up on the setter. When that happens I know it's their last go around.
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A nice 40" walnut slab went up yesterday.
I see you widened your woodmizer to saw those nice wide slabs. Nice job
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I see you widened your woodmizer to saw those nice wide slabs. Nice job
To be fair it was done before I started here and creates it's own set of problems with the extra pressure the weight and length causes but it's capable of milling around 50", anything bigger gets put on the 96" trucut you can see behind it.
Today I finished my first real sawing job since September 30th when I decided to take some R&R.
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My customer barber chaired this Post Oak last evening after I left. This is an 18' log and it ran back 16'. :o
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It had some nice rays but they were not on the cut list.
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The cut list for that log was five 2¼"X7" and we got them.
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5,185bf of SYP framing lumber and Post Oak trailer decking sawed in 3 days.
Ah, still retired I see there MM. :D :D :D Funny your just like my cousin farmers. Retired = driving a tractor for fun...in a field...planting something..
Yup, still running blades through logs.
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It was quite amusing to be sawing framing lumber for this customer while looking at over 21Mbf under a cover that I sawed for him in March/April. ;D
I just finished a call from a previous customer that has ~75-80 SYP logs to be sawed into framing lumber that we scheduled to begin on the 12th. weather permitting. Yup, busy. ::)
This will be my last job for the year.
White pine 2x12x12'
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One of the benefits of living in a frigid climate- if you catch the freeze/thaw cycle right you can have a cast Peavy stand
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One of our Corgis, Miya aka "The Boof". We have so many dogs, I can saw all week and never have to saw with the same dog twice😁
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Dat dog looks cold and I thought 35° this morning was cold. Ouch. :-X
Also, please don't judge me on the sparse stickers. This is a customer's lumber, I'm stickering it to their specs🤷♂️
Magic, yesterday the high was about 10° and the wind was whipping. Not pleasant. Honestly, once all the equipment is warmed up between 10° and 20° is a nice temp for sawing IMO. I can hit higher feed speeds than at any other time. Plus everything stays frozen.
When the temp is either side of freezing, things thaw during the day and refreeze at night. You go to fire up in the morning and things are froze tight. So I just prefer it stay below freezing🤷♂️
All in what a guy is used to.
Looks great and looks like your feeding your cute help pretty good 😊
A buddy is bringing over an osage orange log this morning. It's been down for several years. I hope I can saw it. I put a fresh 4deg blade on and plan to go slow. I've never sawed it. We are going to split the wood, because I want some. Pictures later.
If the mill is struggling, just push it harder, if it burns all the way across the cut, tell people you used a laser.
Well, that was an option, but it really did struggle to cut even very slowly. It cut well though. Nice and straight. The yellow of this wood and sawdust is unimaginable. My mill looks like a yellow bomb went off.
I kept 2 nice bookmatched slabs. My buddy will try to get more logs.
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Looks very nice and good to know it will cut straight if not particularly quick.
Got log deck full of pitch pine.Cut a couple logs 12'.Don't know why because I just wanted some 8' 2"x4"s and 2"x6"s for a future wood shed I am planning.Went ahead and cut a 12' cant and then cut 4' off of it.A lot easier to turn and lumber more manageable .Got several 4' 2"x4"s that I'll use for something.Not getting any faster but my lumber is looking a lot better mostly from what I've learned from you people :laugh:
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I would put a block/wedge, etc under that tail end to keep it from sagging down as you saw.
That's the 4' I cut off and sawed separately :laugh:
You may not shorten the next one so always remember to support long "overhangers" to prevent them from drooping as you saw.
Thanks MM all information appreciated.If I can only remember everything :laugh:
Quote from: Magicman on December 06, 2022, 07:14:58 PM
I would put a block/wedge, etc under that tail end to keep it from sagging down as you saw.
MM:
If you look at the plaque on the end of his sawing shed your comments is exactly how he does it.
As he saws, the ends droop causing the center to rise and the closer you get to the bed rails the more apt you are to have thick and thin.
Sorry Percy, but you do not have a monopoly on "thick and thin".
GAB
When I first started sawing that sign was pretty accurate.Now I tell everyone that I can saw them thick lumber or thin lumber but hopefully on separate boards :laugh:
Oh I had already noticed/seen that plaque. 8)
You did a good job of describing what happens when you allow overhangers no matter which sawmill you have.
@ barbender I have access to lotsa white pine and was wondering what to use it for, i see you've cut lumber with it,.. does this make good framing lumber??
@Vautour (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=43405) Not speaking for barbender but Eastern White Pine is the framing lumber of choice in my area, maybe because it is what we have. I like sawing it, and using it! It saws well, doesn't do funny things when drying, is strong enough and not too heavy or hard.
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Not speaking for Barbender either, :D
The white pine I have tends to be knotty and brittle and not as good for framing (red pine is preferred for 2x's here). I do saw some 2x's, (usually the first log up from the stump), but the knotty logs are best for cutting 1" paneling.
We ran out of "The King's Pines" but still have some good ones :-X Red rot can be an issue in many stands. Weevil an issue for regeneration. The red pines are (old) plantations, mostly seem to go for utility poles if good or pulp/biomass. When they are successively thinned it reverts to hardwood, clearcuts to aspen or white pine
@Resonator ...i would say that the white pines in your area and ours are the same species of trees being geographically close to each other, but when the harvester do a clear cut they leave out the big pines standing, these trees are the tallest trees on the East Coast and can grow to 130' in height and live between 200 and 400 years old,.. maybe saw mills don't want these these massive trees??
Quote from: Magicman on December 06, 2022, 08:07:55 PMalways remember to support long "overhangers" to prevent them from drooping as you saw
I had to make me a support for 10'-11' logs. It took me awhile, but I finally figured out why some boards ended up having 1 end thicker than the other.
About every camp I have ever been into up north had white pine paneling, be it V match or boards, kinda expect it that way.
Quote from: 2 Jugs on December 08, 2022, 07:46:29 AMIt took me awhile, but I finally figured out why some boards ended up having 1 end thicker than the other.
One reason that I dislike sawing 20' logs is because they reach beyond the movable bed rails and even two feet of unsupported log or cant can be troublesome.
I suppose that this could go in the "Not Sawing" board. Customer helper conflicts moved this week's sawing to next week and now the weather will move it until mid January. Unless I decide to pick up a couple of the one day jobs on my list it....
Looks like I can extend my R&R time another month. 8)
Quote from: Magicman on December 08, 2022, 11:06:30 AMLooks like I can extend my R&R time another month.
If I ever make a "Did something dumb today" statement like the above again I hope that someone grabs my phone and mashes the mute button. no_no
Looks like I will be sawing SYP 1X12's Monday and finishing Tuesday. Then there is a serious possibility for a 120 mile road trip Friday sawing Red Oak for a repeat customer. move_it
A customer that I sawed for several times this year just sent me this picture of his building project in progress.
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I'll be back sawing the lumber for the lake cabin next Spring.
MM you should feel very proud to look at that pic and know that you sawed most of the boards for that building. I have three barns that I sawed most of the lumber and I feel good every time I see them. Randy
Not most all, and yes, it gives me a nice feeling that my lumber will be enjoyed by so many for years to come.
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The above picture was taken before I began sawing one morning. I see that the operator's seat is off so I was sawing 20' 12X12 timbers that day. I made at least 4 different trips to his location.
Those are beautiful photos and MM, you can be proud of the results of all of your hard work.
It's a legacy!
Vautour, around here most of the framing lumber I saw is red pine. White pine is not as strong. However, I wouldn't hesitate to use it for framing so long as it is sized accordingly. The timber framers I'm sawing for use it for large structural members exclusively. White pine is so nice and stable, rarely any surprises with it.
The WP I'm currently sawing for the aforementioned timber framers is all wide 1x and 2x material, 8, 10, 12, and 14" widths that will be used for paneling and exposed roof decking.
Uprooted pitch pine making some pretty good 2" lumber.I've decided from now on I am going to use my pine for 2x's and use poplar for 1" sheeting .I've cut quite a few 2x's from poplar but pine seems to behave much better when drying.Wondering if this is others experience.
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Just short of 4000bf of white pine 1x and 2x stuffed on the piggyback truck. The piggyback forklift actually limited how much we could get on the bed, because I had mostly 12' material sawn and we didn't have room for a second rank of 12' with the lift on the back. I stuffed one 12' package on top once the lift was loaded up.
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Yes, poplar, especially from smaller logs, will move a fair bit when drying.
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Eleven SYP logs ranging from about 14" to 29", to be sawn into 1X12's & 2X4's.
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The 29" butt log was first.
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1955bf and two ruined "rock hit" blades.
I have a 120 mile (one way) one day road trip scheduled for Friday which I hope will be my last sawing job this year. It will be slabbing Red Oak logs for a repeat customer.
Not much snow there!
Notice that the grass is still green too. :D
Haha I'll remember this when it is 98° and 200% humidity down there next summer, Magic!😊
Way down south there "snow" is sold in cones with cherry flavor on a hot day. cone_1
Must make for tough sledding, kinda like Maine in July. ;D :D
And with the hot weather down here, the mosquitoes are still out in force at dusk.
@2 Jugs (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=52066), That one day road trip Friday will be in Prairieville, so I will be in your back yard.
I will also be close to @BigZ La (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33162) who is in Donaldsonville.
I finished my last big job of the year Nov. 17. It was a 12000bf plus job that I went back for half a day to finished. My wife had a heart attack Nov 9 so I just went back to finish it up and put everything else on hold to stay home with her till after the first of the new year. (I am thankful to my Lord and Master Jesus Christ that she is still here with me) I have sawed a few logs up that people have brought me here at home since the. The pictures that I am posting is first the picture I showed the customer on the 12000bf job of how he should stack his lumber. The other pictures are how he actually stacked it. 🙄🙄 The sad thing is the majority of people I saw for
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think that just stacking it any o way is good enough. This job was a mixture of pine, sycamore, poplar and some cherry.
Nice job Craig, and you are correct on the stickering. It seems that to some folks, stickering means stacking.
I was alarmed to hear about your Wife, but pleased to hear that she is still there with you and yes, I agree that your first priority for now is her. If you need me you know where I am.
Thanks so much Lynn
Beavertooth, I agree with your statement that most customers just can't, won't, or will not sticker and stack properly. I have supplied pictures, explained why it's preferable to sticker properly, yet it's unusual to come across a customer that 'gets' it.
Is it because they are $motivated by the idea of cheaper lumber when they get their own logs milled? Is it because they think the sawyer is just being way too fussy? Are they surprised at how much work is involved and opt for good enough sloppiness ? Maybe all of the above.
I don't get emotionally involved with the lumber that I mill for customers, but it super frustrating when I hear later that they were disappointed with twisty lumber.
. rant mode over .
Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery to your wife!
Beavertooth, sorry to hear of your wife's heart attack! I'm glad you're able to be there with her more.
I hear what you guys are saying about stickering. But with framing lumber, I think all of the stuff BT shared pictures of will be fine.
😁 At least it has snow rain cover!
I put a big walnut on the mill yesterday and milled it into a bunch of 6/4 and one big mantel. I got boards from 8 to 15" wide and the mantel is 6"x8"x8'. Then we threw a few small walnut logs on. I got a few live edge slabs from each that someone will buy for crafts and then a mantel out of each one. I really need to stock up on mantels. I sell every one I make and they're so easy to do. Sorry, one pic is in ther twice.
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Remember you can always go back to a post after posting and click "Modify" in the right hand corner and make changes if needed. smiley_thumbsup
And to stay on topic I'm sawing some black ash today, sounds like winter's gonna hit here next couple days. :snowman:
I went back to modify it, but I thought I deleted the extra pic. When I saved the duplicate was still there. Deleting pics isn't as easy as text.
Still working on my pine logs.Slow but sure.Got about 450 bf of 2" lumber so far.Turning out pretty good.Cut a few 1" boards to keep from wasting wood and leaned against woodshed.Noticed a pretty pattern in wood.Shame it's just pine.
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Quote from: Magicman on December 13, 2022, 08:02:37 AM
@2 Jugs (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=52066), That one day road trip Friday will be in Prairieville, so I will be in your back yard.
MM
I would love to meet you Friday if it is possible.
I will send you a PM with the address.
PM sent. MM
Nyle 200pro Delivery Day!
I won't have the chamber built for a while, but glad the kiln is finally here.
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A few recent jobs....
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Looks like you have been busy Lance. :)
I made my 248 mile round trip sawing job today. It was a long day beginning early but very successful. I had to argue with my GPS which cost me 20 minutes but I still arrived before 7:00am and my customer had a hot egg/bacon/cheese sandwich ready for me when I arrived.
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Five 10' logs, 4 of which were in the 34" class. Can you tell which ones had the metal? The smallest had nails which cost a blade, and we bucked the one on the right and avoided hitting exposed cable and saved a blade.
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I was glad to meet FF member jasonb who stopped by for a visit. Meeting him and being able to chat for a while was a special treat.
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Today's tally was 2426bf all sawn 2¼ slabs in 6 hours and invoiced bf rate. That plus the customer tipped me $200. It was a very good job to close the year out with.
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This was a repeat customer that I sawed for two years ago.
Clearly Nyle has changed the specs on the kiln. Mine didn't come with the pre-filled drink koozie. :D
Quote from: Southside on December 16, 2022, 11:40:48 PM
Clearly Nyle has changed the specs on the kiln. Mine didn't come with the pre-filled drink koozie. :D
Maybe it was something you said that led them to believe you were a tea toadler.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
GAB
Nice looking lumber Lynn. Glad you didn't have to do it next Friday 🥶
Thanks Craig, yup next week would have required "wood antifreeze". ;D
If I had sawn this "hourly rate" it would have required $175 per hour to equal the bf rate. ;D
MM
Thanks again to you and your customer for allowing me to hang around for a couple of hours.
And to those that wonder, that seat looks pretty comfortable. A lot better than standing/walking all day.
I also found out that you are an expert nail extractor:
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You even dug one of the nail heads out of the top cut. ;D
Every carpenter should know how to remove a nail or at least have the proper tools to do it.
Quote from: Southside on December 16, 2022, 11:40:48 PM
Clearly Nyle has changed the specs on the kiln. Mine didn't come with the pre-filled drink koozie. :D
Haha, yes sir. With the price I paid, they should have included 23 more Lone Stars👍🏻
Quote from: Southside on December 16, 2022, 11:40:48 PM
Clearly Nyle has changed the specs on the kiln. Mine didn't come with the pre-filled drink koozie. :D
Hear! Hear! After seeing that, I might be ready to order.....
A friend wanted a 3.5"x9.5"x14.5' beam cut for his dad. He brought over 2 18' pine logs and told me to choose the best candidate. After getting it positioned on the mill with the backhoe(this is the first log that I needed machinery to get on the mill), I took 2' off of the big end to get it to a little under 16'.
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Finished cutting at 1:25 in a slight rain and it hasn't stopped raining as I am posting this.
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Hope to deliver tomorrow.
Will make 2x10s out of the rest of the cant.
Looking good. At least one of us was busy today and I am glad that it was not me. Cold and steady rain here today.
No more sawing for me this year after sawing those 65 slabs down your way Friday.
I've decided I really need to mill more mantels. I can sell mantels for the same price or more per bf and don't have to kiln dry them. Just stack them for a year or two and then sell them. Sometimes I will run them thru the planer to make them look a little more appealing. I did 3 walnut mantels and my first cherry one this morning. Also, I can use logs that otherwise are kind of small for making lumber. I like these walnut ones where the bark comes off very easily and I can scrape what's left with a drawknife. People like the look that they have with the dark cambium layer still on there.
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FireFighter, Those are all good points. Do you shoot for 6" x 10" or so?
Do you advertise them on Marketplace or?
I kind of let the log tell me what mantel I can get out of it. I try to keep a similar ratio of height to width, so something like 6x10, 5x8, 4x7, etc. Some bigger logs, I will take a few live edge slabs off the top and bottom and then a mantel out of the middle. When I first started sawing I would saw around the pith and then give that to mom and dad for firewood. I figured out I was throwing money away. I mostly sell them on FB marketplace and occasionally craigslist.
Certainly seems like there would be less competition, certainly zero from the big box stores, not that their shrink wrapped $27/bdft knotty pine would be considered any kind of competition in the first place. Offering bigger stuff sure seems to make sense. Since I don't have a kiln and I'm still sitting on a few cherry and walnut logs, that might be perfect. I'm pretty sure we're far enough away from each other we wouldn't be competing for the same customers.
Do you sanitize them before selling?
Quote from: firefighter ontheside on December 20, 2022, 01:45:57 PM
I've decided I really need to mill more mantels. I can sell mantels for the same price or more per bf and don't have to kiln dry them. Just stack them for a year or two and then sell them. Sometimes I will run them thru the planer to make them look a little more appealing. I did 3 walnut mantels and my first cherry one this morning. Also, I can use logs that otherwise are kind of small for making lumber. I like these walnut ones where the bark comes off very easily and I can scrape what's left with a drawknife. People like the look that they have with the dark cambium layer still on there.
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Tell us how it works out when you get in a lawsuit. It's been talked about here on the forum of some of the problems not properly kiln & sanitizing. Just remember they may or may not have a case. But be prepared to spend dollars defending.
I do not sanitize them, but I do treat them with solubor.
Not sure what a lawsuit would be about.
Not sure about it Beenthere ? It's been talked about here on the form about the possibility of bugs and other issues in somebody's house. But maybe I was reading things wrong and it's just fine to do that 😂
WB, maybe you didn't mean to come off that way, but you sounded pretty sure of things the way you worded your post🤷♂️
Good afternoon
We have a beautiful home, I just saw a bug
Will call the lawyer in the morning 😁
Sometimes it's difficult to get the right tone in an eMail or posting.
But, hafta say, my world really brightened up when 230Deforme let us know that he can connect with a bug-eating lawyer. Good news ! !
Quote from: barbender on December 21, 2022, 02:02:40 PM
WB, maybe you didn't mean to come off that way, but you sounded pretty sure of things the way you worded your post🤷♂️
I guess there is nothing wrong with selling wood that is not kiln dried, properly kiln dried or sterilized and absolutely nothing to worry about morally or liability wise. I've heard and read several stories here of problems and potential problems from several that run a pretty good business on this subject.
The above is twice that you have made references about what you have read here on the FF raising concerns about quality issues and now about morality and liability. I would like to see links to these conversations.
I don't have a dog in this fight, really. But I think this may be one of the threads he is talking about. I know there is another, but I can't find it. I seem to be having some internet issues tonight.
https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=110567.msg1733633#msg1733633 (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=110567.msg1733633#msg1733633)
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I guess I would say you have to be clear with a client. I am a hobby guy, but let strangers make a "donation" to cover costs if they want wood. given my profession, I know about the worry we have about legal stuff. I cannot do my job if that was all I thought about. I try to make the buyer aware and what needs to be done to dry and finish the wood. I guess with them paying they could assign liability. I would worry most about the newish city guy or the know it all. I made beams for a husband of a lady I work with. they have gone through a divorce. I cut pine beams. and told him how to sticker and dry them. One has an almost 90° twist over 16 feet. He told me and wondered if he could put it on the frame machine at his body shop. I said, I do not think so but if you still want to put a beam in, I will make another. He is nice, but like me, he kind of thought he knew it all. :D He just put them on the floor in his basement. He admitted he was surprised even though I told him. We are good. no lawsuit. I think if you are commercial, you may have some risk, but i think yellow hammer has delt with this, and the bugs are introduced after drying. If not sterilized, then do not tell them it is, and if they get bugs, it is on them. anyone can sue anyone else for anything. ER docs get sued on average 2.8 times in their career. I have been sued twice and both were thrown out. I guess I still have 0.8 lawsuits to go! :o :o :o :D :D :D
My sawing contract states that I make no guarantees as to the suitably of the lumber in its end use.
We can't control where a board will end up. It may even be repurposed multiple times during its lifetime.
Quote from: Magicman on December 21, 2022, 08:25:32 PM
The above is twice that you have made references about what you have read here on the FF raising concerns about quality issues and now about morality and liability. I would like to see links to these conversations.
These guys are experts in my eyes and I
value their information. If your selling to
the public then issues could absolutely
happen. These are just a few examples. I want to make it clear I'm no expert but I think I have a pretty good handle on things. And I can tell you I've learned a tremendous amount from here and many resources. And most all of the people I respect and value their information here all say the same thing if your selling to the public there is a right way and wrong way. These are just a few examples and I've seen many more.
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I'm all for everyone doing what they want and making money. But in these crazy times anything can happen. And if you have never been in a lawsuit you don't have any idea how much it could cost you. I know! I had a realtor misrepresent on a easement. And when you are served papers you have to defend. Let's just say it was thousands!
My feeling is that as long as I don't mislead the customer and say something is kiln dried or sterilized when it's not, I should be ok. I'm not saying I purposely wouldn't warn someone of the risks involved, because I do.
If after that they choose to use the lumber in an unsuitable application, that's their choice.
If someone buys standard lumber from a lumber yard and uses it where they should have used green treated, and then it rots, thats their fault, not the lumber yard.
Wood is a building material, just like steel or concrete. When someone buys any of these materials and builds something, they have assumed the design responsibility. Proper material selection is part of the design.
Thank you WB.
Being that the Forestry Forum is read daily by hundreds/(thousands) of members & guests, it is always better to provide examples/links rather than just make a statement about what you have read. :P
I'm not going to argue about this. It would be easy enough for me to bring mantels that are otherwise ready to sell into the kiln when it is time to sanitize, so I will begin doing that. I believe there to be almost zero risk of introducing termites into a home with my mantels. There would be signs of termites in a mantel that has been sitting and drying for a year or more. We have subterranean termites here and they have to have tubes back to the dirt. I guess the main risk would be PPB. I'm not sure what that risk is. Can a home be infested by PPB by a few getting in in a piece of wood? I appreciate helpful advice, but I do not appreciate my morals being questioned.
Firefighter I wasn't directly pointing you out. I was just meaning in general anybody knowing enough information on the form here and many resources that there are standard ways and not so standard ways. That's all. I'm no expert but I do know walnut heartwood is not very susceptible to insect damage like many other species.
When sharing information I would much rather see a link rather than a screenshot. That way I can read the conversation leading up to the reply and also the replies that followed. Heck, I might even want to reply myself. ;D
It's all about sharing information and learning.
Bill, you have nothing to be concerned about termites.
Making a cube from a walnut root today
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will it transform into a table base?
We did not saw anything today, but my youngest daughter (Aunt Madison) and my grandson did get to sit on an ipe board across a sawhorse for a makeshift seesaw.
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It was nearly dark, but the phone camera brought in a lot of light.
caveman, that's the way to have fun. Grab an old plank and make it a see-saw. That's the way I grew up...having fun with what we had.
BTW, good looking boy and mom too.
Thank you. That is his aunt, my youngest daughter.
Quote from: doc henderson on December 23, 2022, 06:25:11 PM
will it transform into a table base?
Hi Doc,
This root will be squared up as just a solid cube for the customer who will use it as a coffee table or an end table. We cut these infrequently and it's always been a dilemma for me on how to charge for them. You can take a large diameter walnut log, that costs a fortune to bring in, and produce only one or two cubes that you have to charge a huge amount for that no one will pay. Or you can take the same walnut log, cut it into slabs, and sell the slabs all day long at a high price. We've done some Taiko drum mounts from giant chunks of walnut and various other architectural, artsey pieces, but there is no money in it. People tend to follow what they see in the designer magazines. Enter all of our hollow, faux stuff we produce. That I can make money on.
No cutting today. Might get some Christmas sawing done tomorrow.
Went outside 4 times yesterday with the intent of putting a blade on and do some sawing, only to be turned around by the freezing cold wind coming from the north.
32°F temps shut me down quickly.
I have 9 firm jobs on the book but my goal/intent is to not saw before the third week in January no matter what the weather does. The largest is an 80 mile away whole house SYP framing lumber job. There is also a ~30 log ERC job with some stunning logs.
I gots to learn to keep my mouth shut 'cause whenever I discuss slowing down, da phone rings. The "Sand Box" customer wants me back in February. ::)
Quote from: Magicman on December 25, 2022, 07:36:41 AM
I gots to learn to keep my mouth shut 'cause whenever I discuss slowing down, da phone rings. The "Sand Box" customer wants me back in February. ::)
If you do, Mrs. Pat will probably call the doc and make an appointment for you thinking you are sick.
Congratulations on a new inquiry.
GAB
MM
It is better to let others figure out that you have slowed down than to announce it.
True but I really have not announced anything to my customers, only you guys.
Should we/I suspect that there is a mole here on the FF?? :D
Remember that you and I discussed this last week. When the time comes I will either quit or croak. :)
I have been sawing for the "Sand Box" customer since 2017, and it certainly is not hard work sawing one post from each log with no side lumber. The logs are dirty/sandy so lots of wire brushing but brushing pays the same as sawing.
I still predict there will be a trail of sawdust coming from MM's casket on the way to the cemetery and I would not be surprised to hear the pallbearers saying "I'd swear I heard the corpse talking about something called ' Quartersawn' once we closed the closed the casket." Or maybe we could get hm a custom casket out of hickory and watch him jump out and say "Ain't no way I'm spending eternity in that!"
Better than Sweetgum. :D
MM
The Lord hears everything. And he will not be denied.
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Prospect just sent me pics of this beauty to mill. Perfect for the LT50 😬😬 Blue Stains included🤷🏻♂️
Better you than me!! :D
ugly on the outside, gorgeous in the inside.
drying thin wood for coaster stock. in Drying and Processing (forestryforum.com) (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=116232.60)
I did a site visit yesterday to a beech log looked sort of like that. Customer emailed that it was 26" dia.
Turned out to be oval, 28 at widest on wide end, but across the center it was up to 48" wide. Stubs sticking out all around, probably 4000 lb, on a sloping yard site.
Felt much better immediately after emailing him that I couldnt do it.
@YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) is that considered a log? :snowball: :new_year:
Quote from: doc henderson on December 29, 2022, 04:25:21 PM
@YellowHammer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=11488) is that considered a log? :snowball: :new_year:
Doc:
I don't think so because in its present form it would take too much of a slope for it to roll.
GAB
Quote from: terrifictimbersllc on December 29, 2022, 03:36:56 PMFelt much better immediately after emailing him that I couldnt do it.
No is a very viable word. :)
That is definitely NOT a log. It's still a tree, and a dead zombie tree at that. The good news in that is that if it was brought to you, it wouldn't even roll off the trailer.
It's rotten and hollow in the center from the branch that broke off in the major fork, it's got more nails than Lowe's, it's got a lightning rip up the side to the void at the first fork, maybe a bee or hornet nest right there in the little hole, and well, it's just a 9.5 on the dontouchometer. That's all I can tell from the black and white picture, no telling what would jump out if eyeballed in person.
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I went to a repeat customer site 20 miles away. A year or so back I sawed poplar framing for a big shop. He evidently has that up now wants siding so he cut these small oaks from 6' to 14' long. He only wanted 3/4" X 8" boards so there was a good bit of waste but its his logs and his money so I'll saw whatever he wants that the logs will make. Many were too small to make cants so I did a lot more through and through sawing then edging flitches than usual. The customer is an excellent helper and his 13 & 16 y/o grandsons are doing well keeping a log on the arms. The logs were so spread out I moved the mill closer after we had moved/sawed 20 or so logs to make it easier and kept the logs cleaner. It was 28 degrees F when we started about 0800 and the logs were frozen to the ground. It warmed up to the mid 50's and the ground began to get muddy so I remembered and reminded the customer to lay a good track with the waste slabs to keep the logs cleaner and help them roll better. That is a trick you guys need to remember if you are not already doing it where the customer has no MHE to move the logs.
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10' and 8' boards. Rows are 10-11 boards wide and all boards are 8" wide.
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14' on bottom and 12' on top
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These are 6' boards end to end. I think there was 63-66 of them at closing which was all he needed per his cut list.
This was the look at the end of the day at sunset. We did not do a tally yet but I am comfortable we will finish tomorrow with weather scheduled like today.
This is a vey good customer and I picked up a couple of good jobs this summer from his referral and referral from the referral. Best advertising there is!
Quote from: E-Tex on December 29, 2022, 02:04:53 PMProspect just sent me pics of this beauty to mill.
So what is it? It's shaped kinda like a Pecan but the bark doesn't look right. Surely not Live Oak? :o
Quotethe dontouchometer
Sounds similar to finding a piece of Leaverite in the woods. When you find one, you leave 'er right where you found it.
Oh yeah, I just remembered. My debarker was a lifesaver today with all the ice and mud on the customer's logs. I know many of you guys do a much more detailed cleaning of the logs with pressure washers or wire brushes and such than I do. I wonder how time spent doing so compares to the blade life expectancy and time used comparing with using a good debarker and maybe just having to change the blade more often? Anybody ever done a detailed comparison? I don't sharpen my own blades. Right now I have pretty good turn around on blade sharpening. Oh yeah, the LT 35 has the hinged blades covers so changing a blade is very quick and simple.
E-Tex we will be looking forward to seeing more pictures of it opened up! Hopefully in color 😂
I would mill that "log" with a FFF-16 band. As in 16 ounces of FFF blackpower.
A little night milling
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Very cool picture 💪👍!!
I haven't had time to get on here for a while. So I wanted to go big in my return. I scored this quack of ERC day before yesterday. They just showed up at my gate wanting to know if I wanted them. These size ERC are rare around here, so I jumped on them. I wasn't sure I paid too much, until I got online and looked up the local lumber yard that sales 8 foot posts at $34.99 each. I got 23 logs and paid $19.48 for each log. So I made out like a bandit. The lengths are 11-16 feet. The biggest are around 16 inches. Only 1 shorter log has a hole on the small end.
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One of my cedar customers came out today and picked the 3 biggest diameter (guess I didn't hide them well enough to keep for me) for milling 8/4 live edge at a buck a bd ft. Only sad thing about it all was I missed out on buying another load of ERC yesterday.
Happy New Year hugs, Brandi
One question. How much is a Quack of logs compared to a Whack of logs? Enquiring forum readers want to know. :D
Quote from: rusticretreater on December 30, 2022, 12:44:40 AM
One question. How much is a Quack of logs compared to a Whack of logs? Enquiring forum readers want to know. :D
You measure the logs on the Duckworth scale :D
Quote from: Bindian on December 30, 2022, 12:31:47 AMpaid $19.48 for each log
How long did you haggle to get to $19.48 per log, @Bindian (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=17364) ? I love haggling, but I usually don't dicker down to the last few pennies....
Steve
Nice ERC Brandi. Welcome back home and yes, you have been missed. I was sawing in South Louisiana on the 16th and @jasonb (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=52066) and I were discussing and wondering where you were. Anyway, glad that you got your login fixed so don't be a stranger. :)
Went back and finished sawing my 3/4"X8" Red Oak order today and for dessert I got to saw 7-8 poplar logs from 10' to 16' long into 8/4 framing (a from 2X6's but mostly 2X4's. Unlike my friends in Mississippi and other ilk my customers almost always want full sized 2X framing. I doubt I get more that 1-2 dimensional orders per year.) The poplar had been cut a while and the bark was slipping and it was hard to handle the logs and flitches. Also the fiber on the last log peeled free and tangled the sprocket of my power feed and we had to stop and untangle that. Also while sawing I suddenly noticed the clutch handle got real soft to engage so I checked and verified the spring had broken. I think 2nd one in 1300 hours of operation. I had a spare I put on but it is softer than the WM OEM spring.
We finished just just before dark with just short of 3000 bf sawed for the 2 days. A little more waste than usual because the client only wanted one specific size. Good help and very enjoyable way to end the year.
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10' siding boards. The ones sticking out are 12' & 14' boards with a little wane that will be trimmed off to 10'.
Quote from: WV Sawmiller on December 30, 2022, 08:17:49 PMUnlike my friends in Mississippi and other ilk my customers almost always want full sized 2X framing.
Which is amazing to me. I am always curious how they nail them together when building corners and inside wall partitions? A 16d nail is listed as 3½" which includes the point so in actuality they are only 3¼". There has gotta be a lot of toe nailing.
I have sawn over 150Mbf of framing lumber this year and have a "whole house" framing job scheduled in January. Not the first board is full 2" dimension. ??
Anyway, those are some nice whacks of lumber. 8) I am trying to hold tight and not saw until after the first week in January.
Quote from: Magicman on December 30, 2022, 09:46:06 PMI am trying to hold tight and not saw until after the first week in January.
Now I see how you are slowing down.
I put the sawmill away on 12/22 and do not plan on taking it out until after Customsawyer's shindig.
Frozen logs are not my friends.
GAB
No frozen logs nor any possibility of having any here, but we may continue to have some melt in August. smiley_sweat_drop
I thought that I was carrying 9 jobs over until next year but now it is 10.
Ah C'mon GAB, where is your sense of adventure? ;D Frozen logs are pretty easy, it's the half frozen that are 'less than desirable' to work with. Besides, that cold weather gets the blood moving. At least, this is what I've heard, but my experience differs slightly. :D
OG, the problem is that in many areas of the country, frozen actually means half frozen. In MN, when a log is frozen, it's all the way through😬😊
I was sawing some frozen Red Pine this afternoon, at about 10°F. The sawn surface looks almost like glass, you can barely see the saw marks. The only problem I'm having is packed frozen sawdust, I may break and get some frost notch blades.
On trick I re-learned on this job was to saw thin cants. The customer only wanted 8" board 3/4" thick and had a lot of small logs that would not make an 8" square cant. Maybe 10"-11" SED so I'd trim an inch or so of the first side to open about a 6" face then flip 180 degrees and cut it 8" thick. Then I'd flip 90 degrees and saw a thick slab off down to the white wood, flip another 180 degrees, go to my first mark below the bark and saw to the bed. That last cut was always a real pucker factor as it was only clearing the fixed dog by about 1/8". I did skim the clamp with one blade out of the 6 I used on this job but was pretty well satisfied with that.
I had started sawing through and through then edging but in the end I was not going to get any more finished 3/4" X 8" boards either way and this allowed me to cut through less bark. I used my debarker a lot/constantly and only tripped the breaker once during the job.
Quote from: Old Greenhorn on December 30, 2022, 10:46:26 PM
Ah C'mon GAB, where is your sense of adventure? ;D
Like my business card says "Will discuss special requests/challenges".
Adventures in stupidity I will leave to others willing to offer blades to the "I shouldn't of done that gods".
GAB