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« Reply #40 on: November 24, 2021, 10:08:10 AM »
No solar farms in New Brunswick, but one being built for NB Power by The Smart Energy Company, down in Shediac. "The NOREASTERģ is an all-inclusive solar energy solution 'designed specifically for harsh Canadian winters' in collaboration with the National Research Council." We'll see. Those carefully worded promises in small quotes sound familiar. :D  I remember some ocean based hydro power from a Florida company that was a scam not too long ago, 'designed specifically for Canadians'. ;D Opportunities NB funding it, not private money, but tax dollars 'meant to build global competitive companies in both product and service'. I can't breath. :D

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« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2021, 12:33:12 PM »
In the county 35 miles west of me, Clark Co., KY/Winchester, KY on I-64 is the county seat, a solar panel company is leasing solar farm lands past year or so. It's very controversial and thus many yard signs by those who oppose it (so-called ugliness) in what's a Bluegrass horse farm area. I think they tie up the land for 35 years on the leases.
Our electric co-op has their own solar farm next to I-64. They've offered 35 year investment deals to members-which will not include me. 

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« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2022, 12:44:32 AM »
Just my two cents but it is a joke and ruins good farm ground. Just like the wind mills take the goverment out of the picture and they would fall on there face !
How is it a joke ? What ruins the farm ground? If itís leased for four years and you donít want to keep participating in the program they come in and disassemble everything, get it out and leave the land the way it was. If you wonder why farmers are participating in the programs is when your talking four figure per acre and the figures keep going up for extended years of participation. You canít make that farming. Itís real and itís happening and itís no joke.
We have a handful of these small projects scattered across Virginia.  Northern North Carolina has a bunch of them.  Virginia was in an extremely wet period during construction of a number of these facilities.  Erosion was a major problem.  One project in particular has been cited numerous times by DEQ.  Every time it rained, VDOT would send the front end loader down to remove a foot of sand from the state highway.  That bunch fought to stabilize ground for over a year.  
My concern comes around these "industrial scale" projects.  My community is looking at projects in the 3000 - 6000 acre range.  One company is proposing to develop a 21,000 acre site in order to situate 6,000 acres of panels.  This is to be located in the river hills adjacent to the Roanoke River.  I'm not a fan of grubbing stumps across 6000 acres to sit a bunch of Chinese mirrors.  You will fight erosion issues for decades.  A lot of these lands optioned for these industrial scale projects will bring $7,000 to $8,000 per acre plus timber value.  That is a significant value to the landowner.  Of course, these costs will be transferred to the consumer.  Rural America is "subsidizing" Urban America's desire for "green energy".  I believe the support of "green energy" will wane when we start seeing 6,000 acre clearcuts.  At this point in time, the system still requires 100% backup for any solar project.  Those power plants have to be maintained as the sun doesn't always shine.  This will remain true until industrial scale batteries become a reality.  
Back to your initial observation......if you are considering enrolling your property, I would look closely at that contract.  I would certainly have a provision where the developer had to post a bond or escrow account for future site clean-up.  At some point, the equipment is obsolete.  You don't want to be stuck holding the bag to clean up a hazardous waste dump when the contract holder files bankruptcy and walks away.  With the up-front costs to the developer, I find it hard to believe that they would provide an "out" 4 years into a project.  Be careful.  


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We are a little south of you around the county courthouse. Been living here 14 years and before buying the property I spent a few years trying to make sure this area would NEVER be developed. Well you guessed it now they want to put a big solar farm around us on three sides. Of course they tried to get me to sign their lease or buy option a few years ago but I turned them down even though they made a good offer. But this is our home and homestead I have put the last 14 years of my life in to making this in to the place I want. Not to mention I like living 2 miles from anyone else. If they come back and offer enough (at least double the last offer) I will sell but then not at some unspecified time within 5 years like they originally offered. IF and that's a big if I were to sell then it will have to be to move up not sideways or back. There's no way I can or want to start from scratch again at this point in life.
 The only upside I can see if they do build all around us is that we would have 8 foot fencing on three sides someone else got to pay for. 
 My main worry about living here after they build is "what if" living in that kind of electrical production causes my kids or grand kids some kind of health issues. 
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« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2022, 01:07:30 AM »
Itís pretty much a go here and there is no problem with finding property owners Iím eight miles out in the country at the end of the project and they have several thousand acres signed up ready to go. Many acreage owners in subdivisions are not happy. Itís easy to say no when you look from a subdivision but if you are a farmer and own the land around it and you can lease for 1,200 acre with a scale that goes up or the land purchase option for 12 k acre. As it stands when they have a buyer for power it will move forward. 

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« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2022, 01:17:05 AM »
I was informed they have no intentions of taking or having anybody take  existing stands of trees out and they have many environmental guide lines the must follow 

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« Reply #45 on: January 05, 2022, 04:45:03 AM »
With enough money in hand, anything will work. ;D Now what happens in 20 years when it starts to fail, they go bankrupt, and all the hardware strung across the land. You can't make a bankrupt company do a darn thing. Your taxes will be going up to pay for clean up. In fact they are anyway, for such tasks that are eventual. The company will be getting tax reductions, you can count on it. Same old shell game, over and over. ;)

We have a utility here that is a crown corporation (government). Recently, just before the pandemic, a line was completed into Maine. My taxes paid for it and are paying for the upkeep for someone else's benefit on the other end. Plus they have a lower $$rate. The government will push any darn thing whether it's profitable or even to your benefit at all. Just like the US Patent office, they'll issue a patent for anything, even a method of making toast.  :D

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« Reply #46 on: January 05, 2022, 09:01:35 AM »
I was informed they have no intentions of taking or having anybody take  existing stands of trees out and they have many environmental guide lines the must follow
The one that's supposed to go around us would have to take out trees. This is timber country, pine to be exact and nearly every acre around here but the really small plots are in planted pines. Everyone says this ground won't grow anything but trees as it was farmed out years ago and reverted to tree farming. We are inside one of the small patches of hardwoods left in the area. Mostly it's low grounds in the area that still have hardwoods because they aren't allowed to timber near the waterways. Along the creeks and rivers pretty much are all hardwoods grown within the last 70 or so years after this practice started.
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« Reply #47 on: January 09, 2022, 09:01:33 PM »
Itís pretty much a go here and there is no problem with finding property owners Iím eight miles out in the country at the end of the project and they have several thousand acres signed up ready to go. Many acreage owners in subdivisions are not happy. Itís easy to say no when you look from a subdivision but if you are a farmer and own the land around it and you can lease for 1,200 acre with a scale that goes up or the land purchase option for 12 k acre. As it stands when they have a buyer for power it will move forward.
Congrats.  It's an amazing opportunity for farmers to make some profits.  All the plans I've seen keep well out of SMZs but here they will take out non native forests, pine plantations.
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« Reply #48 on: January 09, 2022, 09:05:02 PM »
I was informed they have no intentions of taking or having anybody take  existing stands of trees out and they have many environmental guide lines the must follow
The one that's supposed to go around us would have to take out trees. This is timber country, pine to be exact and nearly every acre around here but the really small plots are in planted pines. Everyone says this ground won't grow anything but trees as it was farmed out years ago and reverted to tree farming. We are inside one of the small patches of hardwoods left in the area. Mostly it's low grounds in the area that still have hardwoods because they aren't allowed to timber near the waterways. Along the creeks and rivers pretty much are all hardwoods grown within the last 70 or so years after this practice started.
Yep poor soils, eroded for years, bought up on the cheap in the depression or shortly thereafter.  Planted in pine and recut every 25 years like corn.  They'll cut the pine and put the solar there and leave the hardwoods close to the streams as stream side management zones.  Will be a different look.  Southside hates them, I like them ( I don't much care for pine plantations or degraded grazing land).  
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« Reply #49 on: January 09, 2022, 09:10:47 PM »
With enough money in hand, anything will work. ;D Now what happens in 20 years when it starts to fail, they go bankrupt, and all the hardware strung across the land. You can't make a bankrupt company do a darn thing. Your taxes will be going up to pay for clean up. In fact they are anyway, for such tasks that are eventual. The company will be getting tax reductions, you can count on it. Same old shell game, over and over. ;)

We have a utility here that is a crown corporation (government). Recently, just before the pandemic, a line was completed into Maine. My taxes paid for it and are paying for the upkeep for someone else's benefit on the other end. Plus they have a lower $$rate. The government will push any darn thing whether it's profitable or even to your benefit at all. Just like the US Patent office, they'll issue a patent for anything, even a method of making toast.  :D

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    Date of Patent: June 27, 2000
    Inventor: Terrance F. Lenahan
Not speaking for Walnut Beast but he's had his lawyers on this.  He's got the lease or sale option and he does not appear to be a fool.  If sale he'll make quite a bit more than the developers pay.  If lease they are bonded on the cleanup.  It's not as big a cleanup deal as you are making it out to be.  Also, the new panels are likely to be making power for 40 years if someone doesn't come and replace them all anyway as efficiencies get almost 1% better a year.  
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« Reply #50 on: January 09, 2022, 09:25:34 PM »
Just my two cents but it is a joke and ruins good farm ground. Just like the wind mills take the goverment out of the picture and they would fall on there face !
How is it a joke ? What ruins the farm ground? If itís leased for four years and you donít want to keep participating in the program they come in and disassemble everything, get it out and leave the land the way it was. If you wonder why farmers are participating in the programs is when your talking four figure per acre and the figures keep going up for extended years of participation. You canít make that farming. Itís real and itís happening and itís no joke.
We have a handful of these small projects scattered across Virginia.  Northern North Carolina has a bunch of them.  Virginia was in an extremely wet period during construction of a number of these facilities.  Erosion was a major problem.  One project in particular has been cited numerous times by DEQ.  Every time it rained, VDOT would send the front end loader down to remove a foot of sand from the state highway.  That bunch fought to stabilize ground for over a year.  
My concern comes around these "industrial scale" projects.  My community is looking at projects in the 3000 - 6000 acre range.  One company is proposing to develop a 21,000 acre site in order to situate 6,000 acres of panels.  This is to be located in the river hills adjacent to the Roanoke River.  I'm not a fan of grubbing stumps across 6000 acres to sit a bunch of Chinese mirrors.  You will fight erosion issues for decades.  A lot of these lands optioned for these industrial scale projects will bring $7,000 to $8,000 per acre plus timber value.  That is a significant value to the landowner.  Of course, these costs will be transferred to the consumer.  Rural America is "subsidizing" Urban America's desire for "green energy".  I believe the support of "green energy" will wane when we start seeing 6,000 acre clearcuts.  At this point in time, the system still requires 100% backup for any solar project.  Those power plants have to be maintained as the sun doesn't always shine.  This will remain true until industrial scale batteries become a reality.  
Back to your initial observation......if you are considering enrolling your property, I would look closely at that contract.  I would certainly have a provision where the developer had to post a bond or escrow account for future site clean-up.  At some point, the equipment is obsolete.  You don't want to be stuck holding the bag to clean up a hazardous waste dump when the contract holder files bankruptcy and walks away.  With the up-front costs to the developer, I find it hard to believe that they would provide an "out" 4 years into a project.  Be careful.  


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We are a little south of you around the county courthouse. Been living here 14 years and before buying the property I spent a few years trying to make sure this area would NEVER be developed. Well you guessed it now they want to put a big solar farm around us on three sides. Of course they tried to get me to sign their lease or buy option a few years ago but I turned them down even though they made a good offer. But this is our home and homestead I have put the last 14 years of my life in to making this in to the place I want. Not to mention I like living 2 miles from anyone else. If they come back and offer enough (at least double the last offer) I will sell but then not at some unspecified time within 5 years like they originally offered. IF and that's a big if I were to sell then it will have to be to move up not sideways or back. There's no way I can or want to start from scratch again at this point in life.
 The only upside I can see if they do build all around us is that we would have 8 foot fencing on three sides someone else got to pay for.
 My main worry about living here after they build is "what if" living in that kind of electrical production causes my kids or grand kids some kind of health issues.
Long distance neighbor.  My advice...I'd sell.  Your property value is going to be greatly impacted if surrounded by a solar farm.  Not sure why you thought it would not be developed though?  If it was in pine plantations they are often turned into developments.  In any case, sorry that you are facing this.  
First, are you sure they are building?  Dominion received applications for 3x more production than the state uses in total.  Just way way more than can be used or transmitted.   So, do you know if this farm has moved past the planning phase and has a client?  There are dozens of data centers waiting to get turned on in Prince William and Loudoun County, waiting on juice.  So the demand could well be there but maybe it wont' get built.  
Did they buy land already?   That's one sign they are serious.
Before they start the build process I'd explore the sale again but like you say, see if they can bump it up.  If removing your property makes the build easier that's worth a bit more.  They have more costs than just a fence.  They will have to buffer your property by some setback amount (know what that is-how much land do they lose in setbacks).  They have an odd panel arrangement that can be more expensive to cable.  Etc.  I'd stress the benefits of not having the odd parcel suck in the farm.
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« Reply #51 on: January 09, 2022, 09:52:44 PM »
Why do you think his property will be negatively impacted by the solar farm and he should sell?  In reply #48 you said that you liked solar farms.  

Oh I understand - you like them when they impact someone else.  Got it.   8)
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« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2022, 04:45:33 AM »
That assumes that the bond actually covers the total cost and they aren't bankrupt to go after more. What if it covers 15% in future dollars of less value? The bond is purchased by the company now, to cover something that might occur say 20 years from now. We aren't talking replacement, we're talking cleanup. Cheaper panels does not translate to cheaper clean up. Look at asbestos, it will cost $1M minimum to clean up a school fleeced with the stuff, not $20,000. Asbestos was cheap, the cleanup is not. People get fleeced over and over and call it all good.  :D Bankruptcies have been convenient in the past of elimination of pensions, wood purchases, paying contractors. What's going to save you from that? :D 
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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2022, 01:40:09 PM »
I am seeing a lot of what if's about solar farms and limited facts about the negatives, that have actually happened yet.  That said i am currently negotiating an easement contract with a solar energy company through my property and am about 2.5 -3 miles from the proposed panel farm. I have heard all of the negative "what if, guarantee this will happen, why not put it here or there but not there, etc." with no factual back up.  On the forum I just read about factual positive info about what can be done around and under a solar farm such as animal grazing, certain types of crops, and much less demand on water for farm irrigation for the plot.  
I think all we have to do is research other countries such as NZ that have been using solar for quite a few years, not a lot of negatives.
I did find out during meeting with the solar rep that they need some place to tie into the power grid that can handle the output, such as an existing substation that is close enough to be economically feasible, so my place happens to be on that route, the option to purchase the permanent 150' wide easement is for up to 3 years with a generous annual payment and if the easement is purchased the payment is more than I paid for the place 12 years ago and I still have the land for grazing, soil is very rocky, With the climate warming/drying up here in the west water for irrigation and hydro power is becoming an issue,
Water power is just like solar and wind in that how to store the excess, think winter runoff, I know 'dams" yet there those folks who are negative on the dams and want then gone and permitting a new one next to impossible.
Some one mentioned the government subsidizing solar, let's think back to the 1920's and 30's and the electrification of rural America (farms) that was a government program that had great results. I can get state grants (tax payer) for cutting Juniper off my ground, farmers get government pay (tax payer) for not farming ground, so why not put solar farms on it.

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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2022, 02:59:40 PM »
Just my two cents but it is a joke and ruins good farm ground. Just like the wind mills take the goverment out of the picture and they would fall on there face !
How is it a joke ? What ruins the farm ground? If itís leased for four years and you donít want to keep participating in the program they come in and disassemble everything, get it out and leave the land the way it was. If you wonder why farmers are participating in the programs is when your talking four figure per acre and the figures keep going up for extended years of participation. You canít make that farming. Itís real and itís happening and itís no joke.
We have a handful of these small projects scattered across Virginia.  Northern North Carolina has a bunch of them.  Virginia was in an extremely wet period during construction of a number of these facilities.  Erosion was a major problem.  One project in particular has been cited numerous times by DEQ.  Every time it rained, VDOT would send the front end loader down to remove a foot of sand from the state highway.  That bunch fought to stabilize ground for over a year.  
My concern comes around these "industrial scale" projects.  My community is looking at projects in the 3000 - 6000 acre range.  One company is proposing to develop a 21,000 acre site in order to situate 6,000 acres of panels.  This is to be located in the river hills adjacent to the Roanoke River.  I'm not a fan of grubbing stumps across 6000 acres to sit a bunch of Chinese mirrors.  You will fight erosion issues for decades.  A lot of these lands optioned for these industrial scale projects will bring $7,000 to $8,000 per acre plus timber value.  That is a significant value to the landowner.  Of course, these costs will be transferred to the consumer.  Rural America is "subsidizing" Urban America's desire for "green energy".  I believe the support of "green energy" will wane when we start seeing 6,000 acre clearcuts.  At this point in time, the system still requires 100% backup for any solar project.  Those power plants have to be maintained as the sun doesn't always shine.  This will remain true until industrial scale batteries become a reality.  
Back to your initial observation......if you are considering enrolling your property, I would look closely at that contract.  I would certainly have a provision where the developer had to post a bond or escrow account for future site clean-up.  At some point, the equipment is obsolete.  You don't want to be stuck holding the bag to clean up a hazardous waste dump when the contract holder files bankruptcy and walks away.  With the up-front costs to the developer, I find it hard to believe that they would provide an "out" 4 years into a project.  Be careful.  


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We are a little south of you around the county courthouse. Been living here 14 years and before buying the property I spent a few years trying to make sure this area would NEVER be developed. Well you guessed it now they want to put a big solar farm around us on three sides. Of course they tried to get me to sign their lease or buy option a few years ago but I turned them down even though they made a good offer. But this is our home and homestead I have put the last 14 years of my life in to making this in to the place I want. Not to mention I like living 2 miles from anyone else. If they come back and offer enough (at least double the last offer) I will sell but then not at some unspecified time within 5 years like they originally offered. IF and that's a big if I were to sell then it will have to be to move up not sideways or back. There's no way I can or want to start from scratch again at this point in life.
 The only upside I can see if they do build all around us is that we would have 8 foot fencing on three sides someone else got to pay for.
 My main worry about living here after they build is "what if" living in that kind of electrical production causes my kids or grand kids some kind of health issues.
Long distance neighbor.  My advice...I'd sell.  Your property value is going to be greatly impacted if surrounded by a solar farm.  Not sure why you thought it would not be developed though?  If it was in pine plantations they are often turned into developments.  In any case, sorry that you are facing this.  
First, are you sure they are building?  Dominion received applications for 3x more production than the state uses in total.  Just way way more than can be used or transmitted.   So, do you know if this farm has moved past the planning phase and has a client?  There are dozens of data centers waiting to get turned on in Prince William and Loudoun County, waiting on juice.  So the demand could well be there but maybe it wont' get built.  
Did they buy land already?   That's one sign they are serious.
Before they start the build process I'd explore the sale again but like you say, see if they can bump it up.  If removing your property makes the build easier that's worth a bit more.  They have more costs than just a fence.  They will have to buffer your property by some setback amount (know what that is-how much land do they lose in setbacks).  They have an odd panel arrangement that can be more expensive to cable.  Etc.  I'd stress the benefits of not having the odd parcel suck in the farm.
All I know for a fact at this time is they have paid out a pile of money for those 5 year purchase options. 
As to not thinking someone would develop the land it's a low income area with very little if any growth in the last 25 years. I was looking for a place that would stay rural for my and my children's lifetimes and this was about as close as you can come until solar farms became a thing. 
As to the worked out farm land soil I have revitalized a couple acres so far and have plans to fix many more. I've added truckloads of composted wood chips to the soil and been running animals on it and it is coming alive!
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Re: Solar Farms ??
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2022, 04:23:42 PM »
good on you biggkidd.  we are kindred spirits in those regards. 
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Re: Solar Farms ??
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2022, 04:42:45 PM »
I can completely sympathize with someone who has poured their blood, sweat, and years into a patch of dirt. It becomes very personal and the idea of watching someone else take or destroy it will come with a heavy price. 

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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2022, 05:38:25 PM »
The reality is unless the land around a personís property is permanently protected its unfair to expect the adjoining landowner to voluntarily reduce their potential income or use of their land just because the neighbor does not like it. The choices are pay the neighbor for a permanent easement (highly unlikely) play the zoning game (not reliable and subject to change) or search for a location that has land protected by some sort of long term easement. My wood lot is effectively boxed in by an undevelopable lot on one side (250 feet by 4000 foot lot with a significant slope). A town forest protected by a state administered development easement on the rear and the other side abuts a large family property that also has a steep slope that is usually accessed via my lot due to the steep slope. They have a limited right for timber access but no rights for any other developmental access. Its highly likely that if that family lot were split up, it would go into the town forest.
I have seen a few houses partially surrounded by solar farms down in Mass. IMHO, its definitely not a great curb appeal. The panels also appreciably raise the local temps during hot weather. They are at best 18% efficient so the rest of the sunlight hitting them are converted to heat which is radiated into the air. That heat is enough to raise the local temps a bit especially up wind of the farm.

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« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2022, 05:44:27 PM »
I can completely sympathize with someone who has poured their blood, sweat, and years into a patch of dirt. It becomes very personal and the idea of watching someone else take or destroy it will come with a heavy price.

It's not about the dollars.
EXACTLY my point as to why I don't want to sell. But as others have stated I am worried about it changing things around us. Temperature and water are the big two behind it causing any health issues for my kids / grandkids. It's to late for me to worry about my own health I've been on bonus time since 2005 when I was told to get my affairs in order by the docs.
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Re: Solar Farms ??
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2022, 08:37:39 PM »
We have one of the biggest new start solar farms in Tennessee about 15 mile from us, 1,700 acres.  It's kind of a local amusing joke, it seems to be pretty badly managed, and a cross between "green" aspirations and "real life" stupidity.  

For example, last year there were rumors that things were way behind schedule, as the workers couldn't get to the panels to install and repair them.  So everything was at idle.  Apparently, in order to be "green" the rules say they can't use herbicides (save the planet) so they have to use manual mowers and weed eaters.  The problem was, the mowing equipment was throwing rocks and stones and breaking the panels from all the thousands of truckloads it takes to cover 1,700 acres with rock pads and gravel roads, and so they stopped mowing and destroying their panels, and since they couldn't use herbicides, all the weeds and grew up to the point where the people couldn't get to the arrays to fix the broken ones and install the new ones. Whoops.....  So then they tried to hire new mowing crews, ones that wouldn't "throw rocks" and they couldn't get any of them to bid on the job or the ones they hired wouldn't show up.  So it turned into a giant hay field this summer. :D

Now, they have decided to take out all rocks and gravel roads they put in to get rid of all the potential shrapnel, so are adding to the planet's carbon footprint by pushing all that into huge piles, and are giving it away to anyone with a dump truck.  Mountains of it.

Anyway, there may be more to this story I don't know about, but this is what everybody local thinks is going on.  

 
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