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How to start Osage Orange from seeds
« on: November 13, 2020, 07:20:01 PM »
OK, you will all think I am crazy (and that is probably true).  However, I was cleaning up in the timber today and found a nice Osage tree - tall and straight.  Lots of hedge apples beneath it and I picked up half a dozen.

What must I do to start some hedge trees from these hedge apples?  I have a small indoor green house and will try to grow the seedlings there when the time is right and transplant them when they look healthy.

Any guidance is appreciated.

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Re: How to start Osage Orange from seeds
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2020, 11:34:28 PM »
well this is interesting.  I know they must start from seeds, but around here they were all planted before I was born.  I would cut a hedge apple open and have a look.  I have never done it but now I want to.  I have a friend with a nursery and I will ask him.  He also managed all the parks for years.  I also know the forester affiliated with K State.  I will see what they know.  if you dissect one, some pictures would be nice.  @WDH 
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Re: How to start Osage Orange from seeds
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2020, 01:08:10 AM »
CAn't remember exactly what I read about it many years ago, but do remember you are supposed to mash the apple an let it rot/slash ferment in a bucket or such for a while before planting the paste containing seeds.

Ok, just googled this up. I was kinda close. 

Seeds and Plant Production Osage orange is easy to propagate from seed. Fruits can be collected in the fall. However, cleaning and extracting seed from the fruits are easiest if the fruit is stored in a moist place and allowed to decay for several months. Seeds can then be extracted in water by macerating the fruit and then floating off the pulp or screening it off. The average Osage orange fruit contains from 200 to 300 seeds per fruit. Osage orange can also be propagated by softwood cuttings in June or by hardwood cuttings harvested in January. Softwood cuttings should be treated with indole butyric acid (IBA) at 5,000 to 10,000 parts per million (PPM) and placed in sand beds under mist conditions (Dirr and Heuser, 1987). Hardwood cuttings from previous seasons growth should be placed in a cool greenhouse and provided bottom heat (68 F) and 5,000 to 10,000 ppm IBA quick dip to encourage rooting of the cuttings. Covering of hardwoods with an opaque poly sheet will delay shoot development. Rooting is possible in six weeks with this method. Root cuttings taken in fall or early winter are also a possible source of vegetatively produced materials. Cultivars, Improved, and Selected Materials (and 
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Re: How to start Osage Orange from seeds
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2020, 02:30:27 PM »


a lot of you tube stuff on the subject.  as well Tom H the nursery guy states that K State developed a thorn-less variety.  
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Re: How to start Osage Orange from seeds
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2020, 02:38:42 PM »
John C. Pair Center @ K State off campus facility.  search thornless Osage orange.  Maclura Pomifera 'inermis'
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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2020, 05:43:47 PM »
Thanks all,
Lots of good information.  I also fell into the "black hole of youtube".  Should have looked there first, but maybe getting a conversation started here was also a good thing.

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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2020, 01:14:02 AM »
 

 Hedge apple picture cut in half

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Re: How to start Osage Orange from seeds
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2020, 08:40:16 AM »
What is the demand for a thornless Osage Orange tree? 
I can see that any native species like Osage has it's place in the environment, my wild guess is they are planted on conservation lands as animal food?
On that subject, just this week I've seen a local KY article where an environmental group was working to eradicated (Asian) Bush Honey Suckle around LEX, KY.
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Osage seedlings come up all around the mature trees in hedgerows.  
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2020, 09:52:48 AM »
I think the idea was to have a thorn-less choice for landscape ect.  I do not think it was for an agricultural reason.  I think there is a thorn-less locust as well.  
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Re: How to start Osage Orange from seeds
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2021, 08:48:41 AM »
Watch this performance. :D

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Re: How to start Osage Orange from seeds
« Reply #10 on: April 01, 2021, 12:05:44 PM »
lol, I am guessing that 1x would be enough for me...4 or 5 bites?  looney.

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« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2021, 01:22:07 PM »
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« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2021, 01:56:05 PM »
I do not see a ring on that finger for you single guys.  she has gumption I will give her that.  not sure what you will be gettin for supper!   :D :D digin_2:D   food3 sketti_1 food6 cone_1 smiley_beertoast smiley_love
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« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2021, 06:50:34 PM »
Walnut husk may be pretty good. :D
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2021, 11:06:11 AM »
Racoons & possums eat them, poop the seeds and volia! ya got lots of osage seedlings :D 
 They were not all born before you Doc, just the hedge row original trees. 
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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2021, 11:52:00 AM »
@firefighter ontheside have you had sprouts.  @Cardiodoc has some walnut, oak and maple coming up
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« Reply #16 on: June 02, 2021, 04:04:01 PM »
I looked a couple days ago and there was nothing coming up in the planter where I put some of them.  I need to go look out by my pond where I planted more of them.
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« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2021, 10:12:17 PM »
when you forget about them in a year or so, they will pop up.  
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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2021, 11:12:11 PM »
Easiest way to start osage orange seeds is to feed them to cows.  Cows love hedge apples.  They poop them out and the hedge trees come up everywhere.  We have to spray pastures every year for new hedge trees.  If we did not spray hedge trees, the plains of Kansas would be a scrub forest.
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Re: How to start Osage Orange from seeds
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2021, 01:34:32 AM »
Easiest way to start osage orange seeds is to feed them to cows.


There is some science to back this up, It's thought that in pre-human days the seeds were spread by Mammoths or Giant Sloths eating the fruit then pooping out the "conditioned" seeds later. There is a much better germination rate from seeds that have been "digested". 
I imagine that a cows digestive tract is fairly similar to a giant sloths ???
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