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Title: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: BBTom on July 18, 2011, 10:56:25 AM
I have a 2003 NHLA rules book, but don't know if any changes have been made since then.

Does anybody know if there have been changes in Walnut, and what was changed?   

I have close to 6 -7MBF to saw up and don't want to lose a bunch of grade due to rules change. 

Thanks,
Tom
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: Ron Wenrich on July 18, 2011, 11:57:23 AM
Here's the 2007 rules book:

http://www.nhla.com/pdf/2007_Rules.pdf

I don't know if there's been any rule changes for any of the woods.  Inspectorwoody would have the answer.
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: Larry on July 18, 2011, 12:08:27 PM
I'm still using the 03 book also.  NHLA used to have a single sheet of paper WALNUT GRADING RULES that made it a bit simpler.  Might give them a call and ask em to fax ya a copy.

And make sure ya count the knots on the shorts. :D

If they made any changes let us know.
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: inspectorwoody on July 18, 2011, 06:22:25 PM
As far as I know, they have not made any rule changes to Walnut. I checked my 2011 rule book to make sure.

There was some proposed in the last round of changes but they were shot down.

I can get you a copy of the chart that has the rules if you pm your email or maybe I'll figure out a way to attach it here.  :-\

For me, the chart is easier to understand.

I enjoy grading Walnut as the rules are more relaxed so to speak.

Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: WH_Conley on July 18, 2011, 08:46:24 PM
Guess I been out of the grading loop too long Woody. What is the chart? When I was doing it you had to use the book and cipher it out. My grading now is highly informal.
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: inspectorwoody on July 18, 2011, 09:40:35 PM
It lists the rules in a table like format.

Takes the "meat" out of the all the wording.

Plain english.  :D

I'll get it scanned and attached.
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: BBTom on July 18, 2011, 10:10:49 PM
Thanks to all,  I was hoping I didn't have to relearn everything. 

I am having enough problems trying to get grade out of these 3 year old logs with sweat dripping in my eyes.   Dang, but it is miserable hot out there.  I just sent $350 to get my laser rebuilt, so I cannot afford any new fans this week. 

Don't Ya just love it when a good plan comes together?    smiley_whacko

Would like to see that sheet Woody, just to see if I built my sheet right. 
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: Kansas on July 18, 2011, 10:27:11 PM
Yeah, the proposed rule changes got defeated a few years ago. Got asked by a walnut company to send a letter opposing the changes. All I remember it had to do with dropping grade on shorter lumber, I believe.

That being said, you might want to make sure who you are selling to, and what their rules are. Used to be 6 ft logs were fine. Now one guy that cuts for the market says he has a bad time selling short stuff.  I know walnut log buyers are very hard on 6 ft logs, at least in this area. I actually have been buying 6 and 7 ft walnut F1S quite a bit cheaper and retailing it out compared to 8 ft and longer. Think the market is tough enough that a lot of buyers basically make their own rules.
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: Ron Wenrich on July 19, 2011, 05:44:46 AM
I have a few buyers that won't buy lumber shorter than 6'.  It doesn't matter if they're clear.  I think a lot of this short lumber stuff has to do with the automatic stackers.  At least, that's my theory. 
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: inspectorwoody on July 19, 2011, 02:57:31 PM
Chart should be attached if I did it right.  :D
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: beenthere on July 19, 2011, 04:16:27 PM
That pdf worked well :)

The cutting size penciled in under #1 Common, is that 4x2 and 5x3 ?  Maybe 3x3?

Thanks 
Title: Re: Changes in NHLA grading rules for Walnut?
Post by: inspectorwoody on July 19, 2011, 04:23:16 PM
4x2 or 3x3

Minimum size cuttings for 1com.

We just finished a run of Walnut this morning.

We have been cutting some sap free 6/4 that they cut up into 3.5"Wx38"L pieces to be shipped overseas.

Not sure what it will be used for. We have been cutting the same out of 5/4 W.Oak