ATV Logging/Firewood/Manage,ent

[UNCLEBUCK]

Ed_K  that is a very nice website and business you have !  congrats ! I like it !  

[Madman_Mark]

Nice website Ed, lots of good pics showing what you do.

[Swede]

logbutcher, Sorry, there is a button:English but......... :-/

To see "Domänsaxen" go to: < www.skogma.de >
 "340-4111-00" in the field for "sök artikel"
The button "sök!"
Klick the picture and get it big.

[logbutcher]

Swede: On the money, but the domensaxon. Unclear: it looks like a log-grabber ? You forgot the "alla kategorier" box.
Whew--I'll be speaking Svenska next.  : . .....and some of my best friends are ______  ;D .
Neat tools Ed. I will copy your front and rear winch setup. You've really pushed the envelope for "low impact  logging" in a great way. Similar to the bar length argument, many non-western US  small scale loggers say they need 32" bars and  a 300 HP John Deere to work.We got no 5' DBH trees around too much.
Like your approach. Can you amortize the cost of the gear in a few years ? What saws do you use ?

[Swede]

logbutcher

Yes, it´s a log-grabber. For log ends up to ~24". The bows of round iron makes that the end of the log don´t hook in stones, roots a.s.o. I used it after one horse but it works after a 4-wheeler or a winch too. You can grab 2-4 smaller logs (3-6") at the same time if You place them in front of the chain, still inside the "Domänsaxen"
I didn´t think  they still made this very nice tool.

We placed the first two logs (8-12") on the earth and the other logs across over them.  Works with a horse but not an ATV. Even steered the horse so one log get placed over some other in the same direction. A little risky but it works.

Swede.

[logbutcher]

Swede:  Tak Tak.
Is that "loggrabber" sold in the US ? Where? $$$?

[Swede]

logbutcher ; I can´t find Domänsaxen anywhere on Internet at Your side. I can call SKOGMA next week and ask for it. I know a woman who use to visit her son in South Carolina somtimes but I´m not shure she can take it to You when she goes there next time.  :D
Together with the price, (~ $180) perhaps a box from Skogma (or me) to You is too expensive? The weight is 9,7 kg.

Swede.

[Ed_K]

 Logbutcher, I run a husky 345 w/16", a 2171 johnsred w/20" and once in a great while a hushy 394 w/24" but I need the skidder to move it  ;D.
 When the weather breaks (-5 f) I'll get some close ups of the 4/wheeler winch setup, also the smaller cordwood trailer that works best with it.

[logbutcher]

Thx SWEDE. Really got a Swedish friend (we do Snow Shelter workshops together in the White Mts of New Hampshire for the A.M.C.) Know any Bengtssons? They also go 'home' every year ringing us lingonberry jam when we can't get to Ikea in Montreal (7 hours from here).
I'll stick to my log hook for now with the new idea of trimming the butt for dragging. Can't pronounce "domensaxon" anyhow.
The rule is never use a tool that you can't pronounce.
Weather has broken: feels tropical now to +14 F. Back to cutting for next winter's wood. Piles of blowdowns to cut up for rotting.
Ed K: get those pics.

[Swede]

logbutcher,

Ask Bengtssons to learn You to pronounce :D :D :D. Or try to find any of my grandmothers relatives over there. Their name is Sjöqvist. 8) THAN You can use  Domänsaxen!

Swede.

PS Are You a human to pronouce Sjökvist? ;D

[logbutcher]

     I give up Swede.
Besides, I can't even get the 2 little dots over your 'o"  :  
Will ask Hans how to pronounce your family name next week.
With all the cold, our ground is bare. No XC skiing  :'(

[Swede]

I just got an wild idea! 8) If You cant get a Domänsaxen there and can´t learn to pronounce it, try to find a tire thats wider than Your logends but small dia, whitout deep pattern but with round shoulders.  Cut it in 4-6 pieses. Then drill a hole in the middle of each piese, pull the wire or chain through the hole from the outside.

You´ve got 4-6 Domänsaxen, or at least a tool that make logging easier (I think) and save the trees You have left.

A question; Don´t You have lingonberry on Your side of A.O.?

Swede.

[logbutcher]

 :   No Swede, we have no lingonberries here. Lovely blueberries, black rasberries, bearberries, etc... The only lingonberry jam is at the Ikea shops in Canada, and New Jersey and new York all about 7-10 hours' drive from here in northern Maine.
How about a diagram for that domensaxon/tire concept ? How small a tire ?
By the way: do you orienteer , foot or ski ?  8) .

[Swede]

logbutcher; I´m surprised and wonder why. You have a lot of diffrent wood that we don´t have but not lingonberry. Glad You can get the "lingonsylt" by Bengtssons.

I was thinking about a tire from an aeroplane. Wide, a small center, high and round profile. Cut across in four peases for best result. Even three peases if You can get a suitable size of the tire.

And I not orienteer, skating, running....... As a matter of fact I´ve never visited any kind of sport in my life exept racing with old cars! But I go to the woods in summer and fall  for chanterelle (edible fungus) I don´t need Domänsaxen for that. The "Lingonsylt" I can find in the store.   ;D

Swede.

[Tom]

You fellows have sent me to the books again. :-/  

Ok, I've figured this Lingonberry stuff out:

Mid-20th century. "Lingon" from Swedish lingon  "mountain cranberry."]

http://www.gov.nf.ca/agric/crops/Lin001.htm
http://lingonberry.com/
http://www.arctic-flavours.fi/english/puolukkaen.htm
http://eat.epicurious.com/dictionary/food/index.ssf?DEF_ID=2535
http://www.startribune.com/stories/438/4277558.html
http://www.mda.state.mn.us/mgo/crops/lingonberry.htm

But I can't find that Domänsaxen thing ??? :D

I came back in Feb 2006 to find that most of these links have disappeared.  It's amazing how fleeting the life of documents is on the Net.

[Swede]

Tom; Don´t be that  ??? and  :-[ just because of that. I cant even find the book!  :'( The one where I can find out  the density of  just felled spruce and pine.

[Tom]

Check this one out. ;D

http://www.fpl.fs.fed.us/documnts/FPLGTR/fplgtr113/fplgtr113.htm

[logbutcher]

 :P
Tom: Thx for the heads up on the lingonberry controversy. I was wrong !  . Tell Swede that we do have them in N. America, but that we're too busy cutting wood and going online to go out and harvest them.   .
Nice sites you found and the one on wood : "your taxes at work."
But no lingons in Maine....yet Swede.
We do Orienteer.

[Ed_K]

 Logbutcher,
 Got some picts, this afternoon of the setup.
 Heres the front winch and weights.

 Heres the rear winch and 2 pt hitch.

 Close up.

 Heres the trailer.

 The box can be taken off with 4 bolts and you have a cradle to haul 4' sticks, the pole has a hoist to lift the heavy stuff.
 Came from northern hydrolics 1/2 ton not extended or 500# extended. The only draw back to this set up is it needs outriggers.

[Swede]

Thank You Tom!

I have to save the link. It wasn´t translated in Swedish so it takes some time to read.   But I´l struggle through a side or two every day.

Swede.

[logbutcher]

Nice rig ED...gives us something to work up to in small scale woodlot management. My trailer axle just cracked under some green red oak butts for next winter's heat. Some welding coming up when it gets a little warmer. (Maybe a discussion of welding here  8) .)

Thx for the pics....now for some lingonberry jam w a Maine micro brew from Bar Harbor.

[Slofr8]

Don't you mean Bah Hahbah   ;D

[logbutcher]

Slofr8 :  Downeast people don't talk like that  : .
Besides you're really Canadian, eh ? Do trees really grow that far north ?     :P
Don't forget the March biathlon event in Fort Kent.

[UNCLEBUCK]

thats looks like a real powerhouse 4 wheeler Ed K. Wish I had a 4 wheeler , I am off the 4 wheeler topic by showing this but its very very cold out and was hauling wood this morning thinking about how nice a 4 wheeler would be especially for going fast and farther away and thought I would show pictures of how I get by on a beer budget so here is my little oliver oc-3 cletrac crawler that I use quite alot to get into the brush and snag logs out with , I bought it at a farm auction for 1,700 dollars and threw some cheap paint on it and also hang chains and chokers around the back seat , welded a couple spears from a old corn cultivator on the bucket for getting under logs with, with a 16 foot big ash or oak in the bucket it will go on its nose but will still grunt to where I have to go to.                                                                                      

[Ed_K]

 I wish we could trade, the 4/wheeler may be faster but it is really lacking in the weight dept. I'm looking at 4/wheel farm tractors now to replace the 4/wheeler. Looked at a Goldoni, but its way to much $ :'(. Friday will go to massy dealer to look at a 28 hp 4/wheel drive, 300 hrs on it, they'er asking 12.