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Title: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: farmfromkansas on May 19, 2021, 08:26:55 AM
  Having trouble losing things at my farm.  Put up some cameras, and got a few pics of thieves, but of course since I am techless did not set the camera resolution strong enough, so the pics are not real sharp.  Picked up some bigger SD cards, and the cameras don't recognize them.  This is the 3rd time I have been missing a bunch of stuff, at least got the truck back last time, but these guys are taking thousands of dollars of my stuff.  Latest ripoff is my skidsteer trailer, had my brush grapple and 2 posthole augers as well as chains and binders, and noticed my old Honda Rancher is missing as well.  SIL has a title for it, got it from him after he got a Gator, did not realize it had a title.  Deputy gave me some tips and helped adjust the cameras, said I had them set in good places and right angles, but these guys come at night and hard to recognize them. At least they have some poor pics, he said so few have a camera set up at all, they were pleased to at least have a clue what they drive and even poor pics of the thieves.  I didn't recognize them.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Sedgehammer on May 19, 2021, 08:34:02 AM
have these all over our place. it's like watchin a movie it's so clear. Now it sounds like this isn't next to your house, but is it possible to have interne there and then you can see what's going on any time

https://blinkforhome.com/ (https://blinkforhome.com/)

If not on the internet, then get some high quality game cameras. Place them where they enter and exit to catch license plate info, not just at your building site. They also have night vision, so license plate info will show up
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Nebraska on May 19, 2021, 08:46:58 AM
Do you have gates at the end of the lane? I know a fellow who put nail boards  where the trespassers were cutting through a ditch to sneak into his place.  It worked.  :)
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Raider Bill on May 19, 2021, 08:47:18 AM
I have Blink also. 3 systems. 2, 5 cam outside and 1, 3 cam inside.
Easy to set up and work great!
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 09:34:32 AM
It is a LOT of work to stop the flow once it starts.  If your law enforcement is neutered and youre on your own, violence is all they really speak.  5 years now and its a full time job for me. Theres one of me and 2 dozen of them.  

So far all i can tally is some missing fuel but its been 10 or 15 altercations to keep it that way. 

Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Southside on May 19, 2021, 09:38:34 AM
Nail boards, one or two obvious that look like you did a poor job of hiding them, then real tire killers hidden in the alternative path you push them towards. Run a trip line to a mouse trap / siren and strobe light set so after their tires go down it starts to scream and flash.

Scare the living crap out of them. Maybe in haste they will leave a license plate attached to a tree on the way out. 

If they think you are nuts they will leave you alone. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 10:01:15 AM
I helped some somalians who blew a turbo oil line on 81 in VA on a 60 series detroit maybe 2018ish and the few hours i was wrenching and BSing brought out an epiphany.  

They said somalia had no government, just warlords or tribes.  Every man for himself.  They all had AKs, and it was safe for a woman to walk the street at night.  I said how.  They explained everyone knows everyone and retaliation for something like that is certain, so there is peace.  


It doesnt matter what language or location.  A universal truth is 2 parties able to make serious war will have peace until one gets weak and invites the other to mischief.  


Step1..  You must know all of the people around quite well.

Step2. convey that you know them and arent afraid of war with them.  They arent gonna knock on your door for this conversation and arent reading your signs out front when creeping in at 3am out back.  Signs do nothing.. The more signs you put up the more it advertises this guy is easy to rob to every pillhead.  


So the scary part is you have to go to them, on their turf where they feel safe, for this conversation.  And it can very very easily get you stabbed, shot or in jail.  


When the police are all defunded, this is the only way any of you are gonna keep your property bolted down.  It does not get easier with age, status or possessions to lose.  
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 10:04:43 AM
And ive never caught one after the fact, that takes 4k quality cameras, luck and knowing who they are. They all wear hoodies and hats anyways.  And if they get busted they get a court date and released then skip court.  The law has extremely low deterrence on the current generations addiction driven theft.  



Prevention is more important.  

I have run off a lot of them at the fence with a gun and a flashlight.  Not much sleep, need a good outdoor dog.  Put your gas tanks all facing one camera.  They need a lot of expensive fuel to drive around stealing and scoring expensive drugs all night with no income.  The gas can is how you get them on camera.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Wudman on May 19, 2021, 10:29:06 AM
If your gas cans are disappearing, add a gallon of water to one or a handful of super fine sawdust........Just remember which are which.  A good hyper dog is among the best deterrent.  Fencing and gates will help as well......or  a tank trap that you open at night will discourage traffic.

Wudman
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: farmfromkansas on May 19, 2021, 10:44:27 AM
I set up 3 game cameras, the farm is not where I live, so is wide open.  Did get a couple gates to put up, but they now have my big auger, so hard to put in a huge post to hinge the gates.  The nail boards is a great idea, maybe screws instead of nails, but the down side is the county mows the roadside ditch occasionally.  The deputy was pleased to see some pics, am going to take the pics to the COOP manager this afternoon to see if he recognizes them. He knows everyone around here. I mostly associate with farmers in the neighborhood, no need to associate with the dopers.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 10:53:42 AM
no need to associate with the dopers.
then sell the farm before they get it all. you cant win a war against strangers bound by no rules while you are bound by all of them and they know lots about you by public record.  unless you have a deputy in your pocket who will park there every few nights, or are gonna put a tenant there or something.. this is gonna be a real challenge.  



if you want info, start making friends with dopers, particularly the obviously desperate solo female ones.. theres always a few who just got beat up one too many times looking for an escape.  they move around from one to the next and know all the goings on.. who grabs what, who they brought it to, etc.  the good news is it is an unstable community. they dont love each other and are always fighting themselves, robbing and ripping each other off,  betraying each other, trying to get even, and running their mouths.  the rare moment when they are unified boy, thats a time to lay low and not be unarmed.

know your enemy and know yourself.  been good for 2000 years and not gonna change any time soon.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Sedgehammer on May 19, 2021, 11:04:08 AM
I set up 3 game cameras, the farm is not where I live, so is wide open.  Did get a couple gates to put up, but they now have my big auger, so hard to put in a huge post to hinge the gates.  The nail boards is a great idea, maybe screws instead of nails, but the down side is the county mows the roadside ditch occasionally.  The deputy was pleased to see some pics, am going to take the pics to the COOP manager this afternoon to see if he recognizes them. He knows everyone around here. I mostly associate with farmers in the neighborhood, no need to associate with the dopers.
night vision ones that don't show any light when working? They are coming in some where, that's where you need them. you need to catch the vehicle. the car/truck is an easier find then obscure faces

Don't you have insurance to replace the auger to put the posts in? you can rent them at rental centers. for that matter if the gate is attached to a barbwire fence, then it isn't going to help much. They'll just cut the wire some place. I'd rather they come in through the gate and I have hidden night vison cameras catching vehicle info

I don't want the potential thieves to know i have high resolution cameras that work at night. i want to catch the buzz ters in the act. all of ours are motion activated.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: btulloh on May 19, 2021, 11:32:54 AM
Decoy cameras help if you go the game cam route. Let them see the obvious decoys and theyíll miss real cameras that are well disguised in locations to catch then license plates. Older retired or cheap cameras are great for decoys, the hide the good ones. There are some no-glow IR cameras available. Cost more, but some of the cameras that send pictures to your cell phone are pretty reasonable considering the amount of loss youíre experiencing. 

I hate thieves. Good luck. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: sawguy21 on May 19, 2021, 11:39:01 AM
They are a real problem but violent retaliation is not the answer as much as we want to bust heads. The best we can do is keep stuff locked up as much as possible and have a friendly insurance agent, after all it's just stuff.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 12:35:09 PM
They are a real problem but violent retaliation is not the answer as much as we want to bust heads. The best we can do is keep stuff locked up as much as possible and have a friendly insurance agent, after all it's just stuff.
45 seconds ago so-n-so walked by looking for his other meth buddies at the spot, talking to his imaginery friends.  Old meth head.  The trail is about 60 feet from my kitchen table.


We had trouble for over a year. Law wouldnt do anything.  One night hes climbing my fence and was 'gonna kill me.'  Long night.  I had a 12G and he was unarmed.  Said i was nothing without it so i put it down and walked toward him but he backed up to his place.  I coulda killed him a bunch of times thats the last thing i want. Cop wouldnt do anything and preferred i shoot him but that leaves me with his blood on my soul. 

Next morning i pass him walking and pulled over.  Said truce truce i just wanna give you a ride. tricked him into my truck with the passenger door latch removed.  

At the store i showed him my road trip gear when the concern of not being able to get out hit his face.  said i took that door apart and had already dug a grave in another state for him.  We can be friends or i will bring him to see it just one time.


Now i tell him im going on a trip, watch my stuff.  We have a beer now and then and if i need info on some new trouble hes just one of several sources i can quiz, or if i need to send a message he is one i can send it through.


If youre gonna live in a snake pit you have no choice but to play by their rules.   What probably made all the difference in the world is i genuinely prayed for him.  And never did any digging or broke any laws.  I dont hate him, hes human and full of demons.  I pity him.  But that dont mean i cant get my hands dirty.


Keeping your stuff at a distance when addicts are around it is my specialty.  I have been depositing it since 2012 and i lived 990 miles away from it for 4 years.  If your lawmen are useless and you cant do this work, you have to let it go or watch it leave or i guess insure it until your adjuster drops you?  I dunno. But i know snakes.  theyll just take more and more and more until you leave one laying in the road.

Every friday i dole out boxes of milk and food from a church, to most of these people.  Theyre still my neighbors until one tests the fence.  Id rather give them food and milk.  But if i absolutely have to, i will hand em the crate of food and smash one in the face with a frozen milk because thats what it is to live where the law has conceded to the outlaws.  Its combat and dominance is critical to keep your fence respected.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 12:59:24 PM
I will close with this.  It is reputation.  A seriously bad dude (which i am not, ive lost more fights than ive won) can leave his stuff laying in a parking lot in detroit and it will stay put if his name is on it.  Because the reputation for punishment is known and it is a force field. 

Thieves are not crazy or stupid.. In fact they very hard to catch, crafty, creative and determined not to work for a normal living.  But they still calculate risk and short term county incarceration is not scary for most since they get showers and food, which is better than the drug life for many.   

A reputation for doing nothing is a magnet and thats what you need to change.  3 neighbors of mine get hit constantly because of that.  One has dudes face on camera busting his door wide open and did nothing.  Well thats why youre getting robbed.  Every other turd knows he did nothing.  A did nothing reputation invites in the next 3. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: goose63 on May 19, 2021, 01:44:18 PM
Maybe thats why thy leave me alone I have shot at a few of them ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Tacotodd on May 19, 2021, 02:22:19 PM
Never shoot AT anything. Hit where you AIM! You just shot NEAR them to get their attention and scare the daylights out of them 🤣

BTW, Iím on every one of you fine folks sides here. Because like you folks, I more than acquired my stuff honestly and squarely. I just want it to stay MINE! You guys donít lie to me & you donít steal from me, just remember that in my experience, if a person does either they will do both.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Dave Shepard on May 19, 2021, 02:44:30 PM
Mike, what a trade you made. Paying real estate taxes in Mass to being your own vigilante in TN. smiley_headscratch
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on May 19, 2021, 02:50:35 PM
The local game warden takes his job seriously and is on the list of recipients for my cell phone trail camera at my river farm. He gets emailed the pictures in real time. For your remote farm I highly recommend a Spartan cell phone trail camera. They are night vision/ no red flash and can record video. The default is a thumbnail but anything interesting you request an HD picture after the fact. The camera has resulted in 4 convictions so far. Priceless. $300 camera and $15 monthly unlimited air time. I have 3 of the cell cams and 8 cheap Tasco's. 4 legged critter pictures are just a fringe benefit; its 2 legged vermin I am hunting.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on May 19, 2021, 03:03:26 PM
This is from this afternoon. Trespasser.


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Game Warden cruising a dead end gravel road on a Wed afternoon. Figure the odds on that :)

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Other cameras set for License plate capture

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Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Sedgehammer on May 19, 2021, 03:04:50 PM
@stavebuyer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=15189) I like the way you figure  !
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Southside on May 19, 2021, 04:19:17 PM
Mike is spot on.  Number of years back two brothers stole my pickup and trashed it.  Eventually found out who they were and somehow the rumor got started that accidents happen around big chipping equipment and one of them was destined to end up in a bag of shavings.  No idea how that rumor got started, but it did end up with the last brother fleeing to a small island, that is only accessible via ferry, to turn himself into the State Police.  I was told he sat at the dock making sure there was a cruiser on the approaching ferry.  
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: barbender on May 19, 2021, 04:50:23 PM
I've heard a few of you guys make the point that you need the thieves to think you're crazy. I also don't think a few of you don't have to work very hard at convincing anyone 😁😂
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 19, 2021, 05:14:00 PM
Buckeye cams or Reconyx cams are the best....
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Wudman on May 19, 2021, 08:47:30 PM
One other thing......a high tensile hot wire fence is another decent deterrent.  Make your gates hot as well.  Might not stop the crook, but it will make a few have a bad experience for a minute or two.  Had a buddy that was having trouble with folks breaking into his mounted toolboxes on his work truck.  He wired a deadman switch into an air horn just inside one of the side boxes.  When the guy opened the door he got a good awakening.......plus it alerted he and the neighbors to action along with a souped up rottie. :o :o


Wud
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 19, 2021, 09:27:07 PM
Mike, what a trade you made. Paying real estate taxes in Mass to being your own vigilante in TN. smiley_headscratch
I lived 3 houses from the big projects at berkshire and bay st in springfield,  same stuff i had to do up there, heroin gangs are much more dangerous than meth monkeys.  


I got 54x more land for half the price. Property tax bill is about 1/10th and the cops are equally as useless except these ones say shoot him if you have to. And i dont have to worry about the thieves color.

Funny i just made this today for my wife.  No parking lot, no trash.  Not even a trail to it or around it. 

And i get to live here. 
terrible day - YouTube (https://youtu.be/uu4fEtTvt98)
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: DDW_OR on May 20, 2021, 01:04:46 AM
For me it is fuel tampering and Oil tampering and equipment damage.

Good 4k networked cameras, at least 16 cameras with POE
Power Over Ethernet. uses standard RJ-45 cables
use Dielectric Grease in the outdoor connecters

Trail Cameras.
cuddeback - CuddeLink Black Flash
the Long range ones have a red light that blinks when the battery is low, thus giving way its location

Tip - have two cameras watching each other. that way you might catch the thief when the camera is stolen

with the cameras put the Serial Number for the camera name

the biggest problem with trail cameras is they look like trail cameras.


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Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: DDW_OR on May 20, 2021, 01:33:00 AM
 also have a map of the area with notes as to where the cameras are.
I got MANY and i sometimes loose track of some

the CuddeLink cameras use 12 AA batteries that last about 60 days
CuddeLink  Home camera

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Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 20, 2021, 01:47:17 AM
Buckeye cam is the same system some border patrol and various other government agencies use. No cell service needed but you can get it if needed. You have a base unit with your laptop or phone with first camera range of one to two miles then each additional camera acts as a repeater so you could go for miles. Solar panels so you never need to go out there. All settings can be controlled from base. Also they have gate openers and feeders that can be on the same system. Made in Athens Ohio 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: HemlockKing on May 20, 2021, 04:32:51 AM
Maybe thats why thy leave me alone I have shot at a few of them ;D
Can’t do that here, even if they break in to rob you, can’t use/point a gun lol there was a guy recently who finally got let off after 2 years on a murder charge for defending himself from someone breaking into his house and trying to tie him up, anyway yeah he ended up blasting him, but still ended up being dragged through courts drained financially and life in ruins over it. Canada’s justice system for ya. I say you come looking for trouble on someone’s property you deserve every bit of force coming to you in

If not who you gonna call? The RCMP? Don’t make me laugh. Portapique is all I need to say, how that was handled.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Southside on May 20, 2021, 07:31:10 AM
I have been told that ground penetrating radar can't see under log piles.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Kim_Ked on May 20, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
A 12 gauge shotgun tied up about 8" off the ground with a trip wire. I know a guy that got his leg blown off in this manner. He continued to be a POS after this and still ended getting murdered in his own home for screwing over the wrong people. 

Just make sure, if you catch a thief on your own land in this country that he is never found again. Especially since he likely didn't tell anybody where he was going.  A 15 ton excavator makes that an easy task... Like has been mentioned, in Canada, you don't have the right to defend yourself or your property, even against an attacker who has made it clear they are intent on killing you or your family, still no rights. Your supposed to roll over and take it up the cornhole. If you engage him with intent, it has to remain silent as you are now a criminal.

No wonder they do what they want without regard of consequences.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: HemlockKing on May 20, 2021, 08:58:14 AM
Mike, what a trade you made. Paying real estate taxes in Mass to being your own vigilante in TN. smiley_headscratch
I lived 3 houses from the big projects at berkshire and bay st in springfield,  same stuff i had to do up there, heroin gangs are much more dangerous than meth monkeys.  


I got 54x more land for half the price. Property tax bill is about 1/10th and the cops are equally as useless except these ones say shoot him if you have to. And i dont have to worry about the thieves color.

Funny i just made this today for my wife.  No parking lot, no trash.  Not even a trail to it or around it.

And i get to live here.
terrible day - YouTube (https://youtu.be/uu4fEtTvt98)
Just a horrible day out there, even the birds are chirping! 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: HemlockKing on May 20, 2021, 09:00:49 AM
A 12 gauge shotgun tied up about 8" off the ground with a trip wire. I know a guy that got his leg blown off in this manner. He continued to be a POS after this and still ended getting murdered in his own home for screwing over the wrong people.

Just make sure, if you catch a thief on your own land in this country that he is never found again. Especially since he likely didn't tell anybody where he was going.  A 15 ton excavator makes that an easy task... Like has been mentioned, in Canada, you don't have the right to defend yourself or your property, even against an attacker who has made it clear they are intent on killing you or your family, still no rights. Your supposed to roll over and take it up the cornhole. If you engage him with intent, it has to remain silent as you are now a criminal.

No wonder they do what they want without regard of consequences.
Iíve pondered what id do and I guess I will never know until Iím in a situation but it almost feels easier to ďdisappear themĒ out in my back swamp bogs rather than try to call the police or defend myself in anyway then after go to the police. So sad itís this way. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Kim_Ked on May 20, 2021, 09:08:20 AM
A 12 gauge shotgun tied up about 8" off the ground with a trip wire. I know a guy that got his leg blown off in this manner. He continued to be a POS after this and still ended getting murdered in his own home for screwing over the wrong people.

Just make sure, if you catch a thief on your own land in this country that he is never found again. Especially since he likely didn't tell anybody where he was going.  A 15 ton excavator makes that an easy task... Like has been mentioned, in Canada, you don't have the right to defend yourself or your property, even against an attacker who has made it clear they are intent on killing you or your family, still no rights. Your supposed to roll over and take it up the cornhole. If you engage him with intent, it has to remain silent as you are now a criminal.

No wonder they do what they want without regard of consequences.
Iíve pondered what id do and I guess I will never know until Iím in a situation but it almost feels easier to ďdisappear themĒ out in my back swamp bogs rather than try to call the police or defend myself in anyway then after go to the police. So sad itís this way.
We have a current problem with heroine addicts in our community. Lifetime criminals that will steal anything from anybody. Useless. If they disappeared, nobody would miss them except their fellow addicts. They literally litter needles up and down our road drive in a complete stuper and steal anything not bolted down and some stuff that is. The cops are a simple joke, do absolutely nothing. Everybody knows, but nobody cares. It really makes me think about what Ill do when one of them decide to try me. I don't know what Ill do, but I can guarantee, they will never come back a second time! Most of them are to *DanG weak to even walk let alone fight, they look like zombies. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Kim_Ked on May 20, 2021, 09:10:27 AM
A 12 gauge shotgun tied up about 8" off the ground with a trip wire. I know a guy that got his leg blown off in this manner. He continued to be a POS after this and still ended getting murdered in his own home for screwing over the wrong people.

Just make sure, if you catch a thief on your own land in this country that he is never found again. Especially since he likely didn't tell anybody where he was going.  A 15 ton excavator makes that an easy task... Like has been mentioned, in Canada, you don't have the right to defend yourself or your property, even against an attacker who has made it clear they are intent on killing you or your family, still no rights. Your supposed to roll over and take it up the cornhole. If you engage him with intent, it has to remain silent as you are now a criminal.

No wonder they do what they want without regard of consequences.
Iíve pondered what id do and I guess I will never know until Iím in a situation but it almost feels easier to ďdisappear themĒ out in my back swamp bogs rather than try to call the police or defend myself in anyway then after go to the police. So sad itís this way.
We have a current problem with heroine addicts in our community. Lifetime criminals that will steal anything from anybody. Useless. If they disappeared, nobody would miss them except their fellow addicts. They literally litter needles up and down our road drive in a complete stuper and steal anything not bolted down and some stuff that is. The cops are a simple joke, do absolutely nothing. Everybody knows, but nobody cares. It really makes me think about what Ill do when one of them decide to try me. I don't know what Ill do, but I can guarantee, they will never come back a second time! Most of them are to *DanG weak to even walk let alone fight, they look like zombies.
They used to smoke crack and stuff like that, whatever was under the kitchen sink, but they have graduated over the past few years to stronger drugs now. Probably worse yet are the acquaintances they deal with. Hopefully they get offed for drug debt before they screw our community to badly. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Kim_Ked on May 20, 2021, 09:14:10 AM
I literally brought an entire nap sack they dumped near our local water resevoir to the cops. This is a place where people fish, camp, sit by the lake with kids and dogs.  It was full of used needles. They know, we know, they the cops, just don't care.  They are to busy charging folks for attending church services here to deal with the true crime. Its probably just easier for them to go out hassling law abiding citizens. No investigation is involved with that one.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: HemlockKing on May 20, 2021, 10:41:28 AM
I literally brought an entire nap sack they dumped near our local water resevoir to the cops. This is a place where people fish, camp, sit by the lake with kids and dogs.  It was full of used needles. They know, we know, they the cops, just don't care.  They are to busy charging folks for attending church services here to deal with the true crime. Its probably just easier for them to go out hassling law abiding citizens. No investigation is involved with that one.
That’s right it is easier for them to hassle law abiding citizens, just like this insane gun ban to cover the fact of how big a failure our police force is, and government, they say”look what happened, see we need less guns!”, are you kidding!? (Funny how after the fact they said this itncame out the guns were illegally obtained anyway) If anything that whole scenario tells me I NEED a gun to protect myself, because the police sure as heck won’t move in to help. Heck they shot up a fire hall full of people hiding and then drove off and there was “no wrong doing found” in officers actions closed cases all gone, gun ban now! Nothing to see here, whoopy doo.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: HemlockKing on May 20, 2021, 10:43:56 AM
Not to mention the smooth brains that vote for these people mostly come from urban settings, phoning the police is easy, they are probably 10 seconds down the road at Tim Hortons, out here yeah no, I may be lucky if they get here in 15min. By the time they get here I don’t need them anymore because the deed has been done.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 20, 2021, 10:47:07 AM
my life is set up so that i can go to jail if needed in defense of my family and property.  my wife and i have had the talk plenty of times.  jail im not scared of, hell i am.  im not trying to kill anyone, i feed them.  i could have many many times buried one by now but there is no such thing as getting away with it. the lord sees all.  i am very scared of hell.

well, i have no qualms however, about taking off my belt or shoe to whip a man into popcorn chicken and send them back to the nest for the other rats to see the result.  im not scared about pleading guilty to an assault charge and making a few calls for bail money. i am scared of the neighborhood thinking they can do what they want to my wife and daughter.

criminals were trained by criminals because that is all they associate with.  if youve only been around good people its hard to understand their mentality.  i guess im lucky to have had a "troubled youth."  the law of prison is the law of criminals. not the court or the guards.. the inmates.   prison operates on law of the jungle.  the strong dominate the weak.  fear and respect are the driving elements of prison heirarchy.  a willingness to fight and lose is very respected in prison.  fear of fighting is very very very bad.  im scared of fighting but i still make myself go out there and get into it every time and none have put a hand on me yet.  maybe theyll kill me someday, 2 people have been shot to death on this road.  but im okay with that. im not okay with living a cowards life.  

be your own electric fence and itll follow you wherever you go.  man up.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: DDW_OR on May 20, 2021, 11:26:15 AM
Canada - it is your country, Fix it

USA - look at Canada and see what our "leaders" want us to become
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Hilltop366 on May 20, 2021, 12:13:25 PM
There are self-defence and property protection laws in Canada, I will suggest to look them up and be familiar with them so you know the expectations and limits of the law.

I would rather discourage or prevent theft but there is always bait and track, could lead you to the rest of your stuff. Anyone have any experience with those little tracking devises?

Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Hilltop366 on May 20, 2021, 12:18:20 PM
Invention idea. How about a motion sensor that triggers a recording that says in a whisper "I see one" and projects a little red dot that moves around in their direction!   :D

Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: btulloh on May 20, 2021, 12:51:03 PM
Invention idea. How about a motion sensor that triggers a recording that says in a whisper "I see one" and projects a little red dot that moves around in their direction!   :D
That could be easily put together using some inexpensive readily available stuff. 

Add:  Trouble is the inexpensive stuff off the shelf would be sonar based and limited to 50 ft or so.  Probably not the best way to produce the desired results.

Simple sounds good though.  Nail boards, better game cams,  maybe mix some valve grinding compound into a can of gas (or fit a tube dispenser of abrasive inside the spout).  Something about flat tires and engine destruction seems very appealing.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Roxie on May 20, 2021, 01:36:02 PM
The Amish nonviolent, conscientious objectors, turn the other cheek, and forgive everyone as God has forgiven you, use dogs for protection. 

They combine small yappy dogs (which I call Amish doorbells) with large ďpackĒ dogs that are only let out at night. It doesnít take long for word to spread that itís not an easy mark. 

Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: farmfromkansas on May 20, 2021, 02:01:52 PM
Had a little luck.  My game camera got a good picture of the rear of their vehicle including the tag.  Problem it is covered with mud.  Sheriff has the pic, I took it to the COOP as they know everyone, and thought they might recognize these guys and their vehicle, but they did not, so these guys must be from closer to Wichita.  There is a big scrap yard in Wichita that buys huge amounts of metal, think that is where the metal thieves sell their stuff.  Checked the yard where the meth heads live, was disappointed to not find any of my stuff there.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Sedgehammer on May 20, 2021, 02:14:58 PM
Had a little luck.  My game camera got a good picture of the rear of their vehicle including the tag.  Problem it is covered with mud.  Sheriff has the pic, I took it to the COOP as they know everyone, and thought they might recognize these guys and their vehicle, but they did not, so these guys must be from closer to Wichita.  There is a big scrap yard in Wichita that buys huge amounts of metal, think that is where the metal thieves sell their stuff.  Checked the yard where the meth heads live, was disappointed to not find any of my stuff there.
sheriff has the resources to search the states data base for the owners of that make, model, color and range of age if he wants to. Then that list can be narrowed down by location and age of the owner
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 20, 2021, 04:29:26 PM
Bet the pillheads know whos it is.  Its not what ya know, its who ya know.


Scrapyards will have drivers license images and names they wrote checks to.  You wanna talk to the guy at the scale first, not the lady at the counter.

The sketchiest bars are also a place to do laps looking for it.  If you think the law will arrest them once ID'd, Dont ask at the bar, thatll tip them to lay low.   If the lae is useless, do ask at the bars to advertise youre gonna handle something with someone.  Anyway, check bars and drug roads for the truck. The mud will still be on it.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: HemlockKing on May 20, 2021, 05:00:03 PM
There are self-defence and property protection laws in Canada, I will suggest to look them up and be familiar with them so you know the expectations and limits of the law.

I would rather discourage or prevent theft but there is always bait and track, could lead you to the rest of your stuff. Anyone have any experience with those little tracking devises?
I agree Iím big on prevention, I really donít wanna ever be in that situation. Iím looking into motion sensor cameras, more spotlights etc. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: dgdrls on May 20, 2021, 06:06:45 PM
Almost nothing worse than a thief

You have to be on YOUR GAME for this to work,
Start setting some big spring traps around the place with
 some tripwire pyrotechnics

coupled with the cameras 

D
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: farmfromkansas on May 20, 2021, 06:28:20 PM
If I were to set up some big traps, would probably step in them myself. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 20, 2021, 06:33:11 PM
Or mame the neighbors cat
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 20, 2021, 06:36:01 PM
Almost nothing worse than a thief

You have to be on YOUR GAME for this to work,
Start setting some big spring traps around the place with
 some tripwire pyrotechnics

coupled with the cameras  

D
And you hurt the thief then they sue you and own your place 😂. Sounds crazy it happens. And itís happened to people that were nice to someone they gave permission to hunt or something and get hurt and get sued for a bundle. First thing a lawyer will find out is if the person owns property and there ready to go to work. Itís best to be smart to protect your property or you could loose it 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: GRANITEstateMP on May 20, 2021, 08:28:35 PM
I have been told that ground penetrating radar can't see under log piles.
on the farm, there is an old "stump dump". Yes, many stumps were dumped there, and many cows that died with meds/treatment in them went there too, plus lots of mixed fill, barn debris, etc. If the need to bury something that's out to hurt my family comes up, that's where it'll end up...or if I ever really anger the wife, that's where I'll end up!
Pretty sure that radar would go crazy with all the bones it'd see!
My first call at the hint of a problem isn't always 911. I've got a few good neighbors, we try and take care of each other first
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Don P on May 20, 2021, 08:54:34 PM
I was on a remote jobsite camping out. The mason had already been hit. It was late, a car pulled in kind of slow and stealthy, we were better than a mile off the road. They spotted me about the time I levelled the 12 gauge and i strongly considered decorating the back of the car. A few weeks later I met a nice young man, a neighbor. Yup, he was looking for a place to do a little spooning. Go very carefully when you assume.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Will.K on May 20, 2021, 09:20:35 PM
I was on a remote jobsite camping out. The mason had already been hit. It was late, a car pulled in kind of slow and stealthy, we were better than a mile off the road. They spotted me about the time I levelled the 12 gauge and i strongly considered decorating the back of the car. A few weeks later I met a nice young man, a neighbor. Yup, he was looking for a place to do a little spooning. Go very carefully when you assume.
I've three times been detained at gunpoint by landowners who caught me trespassing, and I've appeared trespassing on probably hundreds of cameras. Happily, people aren't quite as trigger happy as they pretend to be when mouthing off, and I've never left an encounter with a landowner on bad terms. Those showing game camera photos here shouldn't make the mistake of assuming everyone appearing is a thief. Whether or not you want to pitch a fit about a fisherman, or a hiker, or a mushroom hunter, or a caver, or kids playing, or anyone who wanders across your scrap of earth is up to your temperament and the specifics of the situation, but ignorantly assuming the worst in people makes a macho man look like a moron every time.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: farmfromkansas on May 20, 2021, 09:29:45 PM
There is a picture of the vehicle driving into my yard, and another with it leaving with my trailer and stuff.  Don't think I am jumping to conclusions.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 20, 2021, 09:36:49 PM
I donít care how many times you have been trespassing. Keep doing it and you will run into somebody a little more serious.   You obviously donít have respect for other peopleís property whether itís one acre or ten thousand acres itís not your right. You donít pay taxes on it. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 20, 2021, 09:45:28 PM
I donít care if somebody thinks there going to just walk around on my property without permission itís not going to fly !!!! Iíve had idiots try and pull crap like that. The same people that pull crap like that if you went to their place and walked around the there own yard they would cry about it and call the cops on yah 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Will.K on May 20, 2021, 09:52:52 PM
I donít care how many times you have been trespassing. Keep doing it and you will run into somebody a little more serious.   You obviously donít have respect for other peopleís property whether itís one acre or ten thousand acres itís not your right. You donít pay taxes on it.
I have respect for people. I don't believe in rights, mine or anyone else's. Moreover I don't care who I run into, or how homicidal or hyper protective they are, trusting that math and reasonable behavior will do their work. On the other hand, I've resigned myself to the loss of everything, so if the odds get me I'll accept that too.
I don't mean to be insulting. Respect for property is a big topic that runs from common sense and consideration clear to perversion and absurdity. I'm operating off of principles that I have come to value, as we are all expected to do. I reckon wisdom will be proved righteous by its results, and acknowledge that I may be badly in the wrong.
I have been thinking about this thread all day as I walk in the woods (yes, trespassing often). It's hard to get into words what I want to say about thieves. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Don P on May 20, 2021, 10:06:56 PM
Our property rights laws are a little different than in other places. In England and Scotland, Finland and a number of places you are free to roam on another's land, in Finland you can't pick their berries  :D. Part of that in the British isles comes from the enclosures and clearances period when the very few wealthy pretty much kicked everyone off of their land and installed sheep on the land instead of small farms. Everyone ended up moving to town to work in weaving and sewing jobs and lost access to the open land. Take a look at what is happening here, how many acres does Ted Turner own now? And a slew of other filthy rich folks. We are not so far from it and will probably need to revisit our notions of trespass one day... but I hope not in my lifetime. I don't care at all for folks showing up uninvited and unannounced.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Southside on May 20, 2021, 10:44:51 PM
I donít care how many times you have been trespassing. Keep doing it and you will run into somebody a little more serious.   You obviously donít have respect for other peopleís property whether itís one acre or ten thousand acres itís not your right. You donít pay taxes on it.
I have respect for people. I don't believe in rights, mine or anyone else's. Moreover I don't care who I run into, or how homicidal or hyper protective they are, trusting that math and reasonable behavior will do their work. On the other hand, I've resigned myself to the loss of everything, so if the odds get me I'll accept that too.
I don't mean to be insulting. Respect for property is a big topic that runs from common sense and consideration clear to perversion and absurdity. I'm operating off of principles that I have come to value, as we are all expected to do. I reckon wisdom will be proved righteous by its results, and acknowledge that I may be badly in the wrong.
I have been thinking about this thread all day as I walk in the woods (yes, trespassing often). It's hard to get into words what I want to say about thieves.
Presuming you are in the US, I find it difficult to believe your claims.  Intentional, repeated, trespassing, and telling the responding law enforcement and or judge what you have said here would surely affirm that your beliefs are in the wrong.  
Then again, Chirs Ledoux did say that after 30 days of thinking about it, next time he would not "drive so slow", so who knows.  
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Will.K on May 20, 2021, 11:24:59 PM
Southside,
     I am in the US, and spend my life in the woods as much as possible, mostly in Appalachia. I have good relationships with law enforcement in many counties in several states, and they have spoken in my behalf to landowners and suspicious neighbors on occasion. They know who I am, why my truck is always along the road somewhere, and the risks I am running. All the while, I expect them to do their job if an irate person cannot be pacified, and accept the legal consequences of my actions. So far there have been no legal consequences, or any serious threat of them.

     Being the most serial trespasser in more than a few places has had interesting consequences. I am respected and assisted by a wide spectrum of people, including wealthy absentee owners, farmers, and the addicted slobs that have starred so frequently in this topic. Many of my relationships with these people started with my getting "caught" by them, or by my approaching a landowner to tell them about something I found on their place. 

     Why has this happened? Well, I try to be honest, calm, kind, interested in people, straightforward, unafraid, and, when appropriate, apologetic. I don't expect anyone to share my values, but after our encounters most people welcome me back. Some of them call me to tell about something they think I'll be interested in seeing. These are the kind of results I'm talking about. If I constantly upset people, and created conflict and drama and unhappiness at every turn, I would be convinced that my behavior was wrong. Instead, my interactions with people tend to leave us mutually enriched. Of course, probably 99 percent of my trespassing results in no contact with the owner. 

     

     
     

Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Sedgehammer on May 21, 2021, 12:05:09 AM
 Well, I try to be honest  

    
    
I find it interesting that you use that term and then go on and on about walking on some else's property. I take it then that you don't own anything, nor do you work for a living.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Will.K on May 21, 2021, 01:59:04 AM
Well, I try to be honest  

    
    
I find it interesting that you use that term and then go on and on about walking on some else's property. I take it then that you don't own anything, nor do you work for a living.
I'm not sure I recognize any incongruity between honesty and walking on someone's property. I make no effort to hide, make no excuses, have no phony stories to tell if someone sees me. I simply explain why I'm there and see what happens. 
     I'm also not sure what you might be getting at with the phrase, " work for a living."
In monetary terms, I provide for all of my needs by my own work. I have never had any money debts, or accepted monetary benefits from any governmental entity. But I do try to keep secular work to a minimum, because money is not important to me. I'm not sure how impacts your conclusions.
Own anything? This is something I thought a lot about in the woods today. I don't care to take arguments about ownership to their most absurd extremes, so I'll answer that I obviously do own some things. Aside from tools and small domestic items, I currently own four parcels of land in three states, one of which contains a small but more or less traditional house, one of which contains a glorified storage shed that I built and live in part-time, and one of which contains a very crude shack that I camp in. Does this answer your questions? Despite having legal title to these things, I have no expectations of exclusivity, because I am a realist. I cannot expect to leave things for months out of the year and find them untouched when I get back. While cleaning up after some of my uninvited guests has cost me some work, that cost has been calculated and found acceptable. 
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Theft involves not only gaining some asset without consent or labor, but denying that same asset to them that did labor for it. Thus it involves disrupting the context of another individual's life, throwing askew the calculations and equations by which they see and value themselves and their future, and their past. In this way theft is a vile cousin of sorts to adultery.
     The question of how to catch thieves leads immediately to the next one: What to do with them when you catch them? There has been a lot advice here regarding deterrents, detection, and to some degree vengeance. To weed out bad advice, ask yourself what you want to accomplish. If you want theft to stop, realistically tackle that problem. If you want someone punished, well, that's a much less practical, much more difficult, and largely unproductive goal. To the extent that punishment is a deterrent (it isn't much) the two can work together. 
Violence begets violence, tempers fuel tempers, revenge demands more revenge, mildness will get you stepped on, sometimes. Take your pick. 
It is possible to fight with wit and determination, and empathy and love for your enemy. 
Sometimes law enforcement can help you solve problems. Don't count on it. As an exercise, pretend the cops don't exist. Now how will you tackle your problem without violating your values? 
When I was little our neighbors stole everything they could: tools, toys, dogs, bikes, lumber, nails, loose change out of the car, gasoline, etc. What did dad do? He never called the police that's for sure. He went to the thieves house and took back whatever of our stuff was recoverable. I always wanted him to call the police. I was little. I didn't understand. He was resolving one of the large impacts of the theft in the most efficient, practical, and sober way possible, while teaching his kids about refusing to be victims of fear and helplessness. I don't think any other action would have been as effective.
Sometimes things are lost. Get used to it.
I sold a song to a Kentuckian about things that are lost. I don't know if he ever fixed it or sang it. 
A couple of years ago most of my climbing gear was stolen out of my car when I was hiking. It was stuff I'd accumulated over years and I had it all together in a box because I was going to take some friends who had never climbed out to play on the rocks. When I saw my empty back seat I didn't think of the eight or ten hundred dollars I'd paid for it, I thought about how we couldn't climb now. I had been excited about it. We got together anyway, and ended up climbing some massive and beautiful cedar trees. I have not replaced my gear. 
I wonder about the fables. Remember the Cannery Row Doc? Remember Valjean? And after prison he stole from a priest who forgave him, and gave him a gift. And are these only a sentimental nonsense? There are echos of something else in it... We make excuses. "This doesn't work in real life." Then pretend to take this or that bit seriously. 
Study addiction. What is the moral hierarchy of despairs?
"Last night a burgler broke into my apartment and replaced everything with an exact replica... I said to my roommate "Whaddya think, everything's an exact replica," and he said, "Do I know you?" -SW 
Well, it was a quiet day in the woods, and I could not order thoughts then, much less now.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on May 21, 2021, 04:48:59 AM
Will K

Trespass is stealing plain and simple. If the owner has no "right" to determine who can fish, hunt, camp, collect berries, or otherwise enjoy the benefits of determination then he is foolish for parting with his purchase money and paying taxes to keep up the place for an "entitled class" who demand access as their birthright but yet invest nothing. I am more than happy to share(and do) but assuming you have the right to take without asking will find me prosecuting you to the fullest extent possible. I will spend thousands to make sure you get that $25 fine and court costs solely out of principal. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO THAT WHICH IS NOT YOURS. The penalties should be stiffer because its not about the purpose of the trespass or the "value" of a couple roots or berries; its about the right to undisturbed and quiet enjoyment of ones property. You are correct that the weighing the outcome of actually being caught, prosecuted, convicted, and paying a petty fine is a good deal compared to buying and paying the taxes. Insisting you possess some spiritual pureness and righteous intentions therefore you are above mans law and therefore should have unfettered access doesn't make it so.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 21, 2021, 06:26:20 AM
Will K .    You really have some stuff to think about in the woods today about right and wrong 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: HemlockKing on May 21, 2021, 07:41:54 AM
I’m in disagreement with almost off of what will had said. I’m not going to argue, but I will say it doesn’t matter if you mean no harm to the land or not, fact is that land owner constantly has to put up with thieves and other trespassers alike yourself, you’re putting him in a bad position, nobody wants to half to chase down people off their land(stressful). Maybe they mean no harm, landowner doesn’t know that though(and probably doesn’t want anybody there anyway regardless), you’re a stranger, so your putting that unnecessary stress on his/her mind when you could of just not trespassed and disrespected this person, if you want land to moosy and poke around on, buy your own(this is also what national parks are for). It’s because of the entitled mindset of the typical human or someone who hasn’t invest literal blood and sweat into their land that ends up being a burden for the landowners, everyone has that “oh it’s just me I’m not a harm I’ll just go ahead and trespass” and it ends up with the landowners constantly trying to keep people off their land/life/privacy, not to mention how sentimental that land probably is due to being passed down generations.  .2 c
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: PoginyHill on May 21, 2021, 07:48:32 AM
And the downside to asking permission to walk on someone else's property ahead of time is.....?
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Don P on May 21, 2021, 07:56:39 AM
Bingo, you just nailed the difference in intention. One is a taking the other is not.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2021, 08:37:06 AM
I do believe I have found the most distasteful topic of the year and a person I hope to never meet on my land, or anywhere else. Usually I can find common ground, but in this case there is none, because that common ground was stolen by a trespasser.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: trimguy on May 21, 2021, 08:44:36 AM
Is trespassing on somebodyís property to just ďlookĒ any different than trespassing if somebodyís personal house to just ďlookĒ, I think not. Itís not yours you have no right to it. You obviously do not have respect for these people, youíre just a fast talker to keep your butt out of trouble.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Magicman on May 21, 2021, 09:56:48 AM
One Monday morning when I was building my Cabin Addition (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?topic=47709.msg686238#msg686238) I found fresh footprints in the sawdust that had been made that weekend while I was not there.  

Whether anything was misplaced or stolen has no bearing on whether I was violated.  It is my personal property and I have full ownership and the full right, by law, to know and have full control of who enters and enjoys my property:

Definition of Trespass by Merriam-Webster:

Apr 12, 2021 ó 1a : an unlawful act committed on the person, property, or rights of another especially : a wrongful entry on real property.

Several years ago I successfully prosecuted a trespasser and I will readily do so again if I found anyone on my property without my permission.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: DonW on May 21, 2021, 10:28:22 AM
In a return to the ambiguity mentioned earlier, I wonder if the principled defenders of ownership would call my actions planned for today of inspecting the irrigation ditch passing through multiple parcels a trespass? There is no expectation here that I seek permission to cross every boundary and if I did this I expect it would be met with skepticism. Gee, I hope I don't get no buckshot up my ars by the end of the day :laugh:
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: alan gage on May 21, 2021, 11:19:49 AM
I had a friend, now deceased, who owned a lot of land locally. Lots of crop land and lots of pasture land along the wooded river. He was a great guy and I liked him a lot. Everyone here would have loved him. Lifetime farmer with tons of great stories.  I had permission to come and go on his land as I pleased. So did some other people. But he was passionate about trespassers and had a fierce temper. I'm glad I never was the recipient of it.

This same man also knew nearly every apple and pear tree in town and which ones had the best fruit, none of which were on his or public property. His kids laughed as they told stories of vacations in Florida where he'd have them sneaking under fences to grab a couple grapefruit off the tree and when I visited him one winter in Mexico he had me crawling through holes in fences to grab coconuts.

Had any of the landowners caught him and been upset I can see and hear in my head exactly how John would have handled it. He would have remained calm and let them speak their peace and then apologized and disarmed them with his genuine smile and good nature and complimented them on their property and asked them some questions about land in the area and then would probably end up being told to stop by and grab some coconuts whenever he wanted but don't sneak through the fence but come right on up to the house and have a couple drinks with me first.

In my mind I could never reconcile how John could be so protective of his own property and then to trespass on someone else's. And I don't know if he had it reconciled in his own mind or just never bothered to think about it.

Alan
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Patrick NC on May 21, 2021, 12:18:24 PM
Every state has huge tracts of public land for everyone to enjoy so I don't understand why someone would put themselves at risk by trespassing on private property. It doesn't matter if it's 1/4 acre or 100,000, private means private and that's the end of conversation. Like most other landowners, I worked and saved for years to be able to buy mine. Not to mention the hundreds of hours and thousands of dollars spent building trails and maintaining the property. Trespassers are not welcome at any time for any reason and I can promise you that no amount of explaining is going to make me ok with it. I do believe in rights. Especially 2A
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Southside on May 21, 2021, 01:05:56 PM
In a return to the ambiguity mentioned earlier, I wonder if the principled defenders of ownership would call my actions planned for today of inspecting the irrigation ditch passing through multiple parcels a trespass? There is no expectation here that I seek permission to cross every boundary and if I did this I expect it would be met with skepticism. Gee, I hope I don't get no buckshot up my ars by the end of the day :laugh:
Ok - so now you are claiming to be messing around irrigation ditches, out west, during a drought and nobody has an issue with that?  
Time to not feed the troll folks.  
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Magicman on May 21, 2021, 02:17:49 PM
alan gage's friend as described above could/would be labeled as a "Hypocrite".

Merriam-Webster; Hypocrite: A person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: tamarackman on May 21, 2021, 04:05:08 PM
I recently purchased a light bulb with a hidden integrated security camera. It plugs into a regular light socket and you manage the camera using a free app on you phone or computer. Once setup on your wifi network, you can ditch the app.

The camera was very inexpensive but I took the extra precaution of blocking all outbound WAN network traffic from it as it appears to be trying to upload snippets of video to 3 Chinese IP addresses.

I access the video feed using the rtsp protocol through vlc but any other app that supports rtsp should work. You can have multiple ones going at the same time provided there is a light socket and they are within wifi range.

Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 21, 2021, 05:51:58 PM
alan gage's friend as described above could/would be labeled as a "Hypocrite".

Merriam-Webster; Hypocrite: A person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
Yes indeed!!!! I have known that type. Protect, amass more and take from others. The sad thing is thatís what he taught his kids and you. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Magicman on May 21, 2021, 09:46:10 PM
While growing up at times I would make a comment about what another family, etc. had and my Dad had the correct answer.  "Son, if they would pay everyone that they owed, they wouldn't have so much."

True then and true now.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: barbender on May 21, 2021, 11:23:39 PM
Wise words from your Dad, Magic.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Will.K on May 22, 2021, 02:43:45 PM
Some more disordered thoughts and responses to a few good and bad points that have been made:

     There is a difference between walking in the woods and walking into someone's home. I think both common sense and conscience make a studious review of the distinctions unnecessary. 

     In my decision-making process, legality is not the first consideration. Why? I cannot come to peace with the concept of right and wrong being determined by imaginary lines on a map. Maybe this is a weakness in me, but I cannot. 

     Entitlement has come up several times. I reckon I can see why, but some of you are missing the point. I am not entitled to anything, I have no rights. Aside from my marriage, by which our promises and practices of fidelity and mutual love and help developed into a relationship of absolute trust and candor and interdependence, I cannot even imagine a means of getting true entitlement to anything. It is landowners who are guilty (guilty is too strong a word) of a fallacious sense of entitlement. They are legally entitled, literally, by virtue of a deed. Their relationship with the land beyond that depends on many things. But some things cannot be bought.

     I find, like Thoreau once did, that I know my way around many hills and hollers and woodlots much better than their owners do. I am no disciple of Thoreau, but am amused that from the cradle of transcendentalism to the legitimate scenes of communal life that he played house at, has spread a lust for ignorant possession that bears no resemblance to stewardship. I don't believe in rights. I do in responsibilities. 

     Do I wish to offend my neighbors, or to make them feel violated? I do not. I have read and believe that all of the law is summed up in the command to love your neighbor. And I have read that the law was not made for a righteous man. And I have listened with interest as I heard someone (who maybe had read the same thing) sing, "To live outside the law you must be honest"

     Which brings me to the matter of context. Do I go anywhere I wish? No. It is important to me that people are not made to feel uncomfortable in their homes. I value privacy myself and reckon most people do. So discretion is important. Now that many woods are full of cameras, discretion is not always possible. I often approach cameras and hold my name and phone number up to be seen (the first time I saw a trail camera I was walking with three friends, one of whom conceived the idea of stripping naked and marching past the lens, which we somberly did, to the amusement, I hope, of someone). I often leave this information in the dash of my truck too. I receive a fair number of calls, and they always end well. Context. Stealing. I recognize that some of my behavior has the potential to practically impact another person, and act, or refrain from acting, accordingly. 

     Asking permission. I have spent hundreds of hours researching landowner information. Before the existence of the GIS systems now in place in many areas, I would go to the local court house with lists of addresses, coordinates, etc. to search the platt maps and locate the names of owners. I likewise spend much time going door to door looking for the same information. If the answer from the owner is no, I respect it. There are many instances though when an owner cannot be easily contacted, or when the project at hand leads to wider than anticipated wandering, or when the scope of the activity makes prior contact impractical. As an example:

     I am currently working on a state contract to locate, document, describe and monitor habitats for two protected species. In order to do this I have walked on hundreds of owners over the last month, and have many more to go. If the job depended on asking permission to cross every line, the job would never get done, which according to some values, would be the appropriate conclusion to such a project.

     Context. Culture. Did you know that it wasn't too long ago that hospitality was the default in much of Appalachia? I was born into such a culture, though it had outlived its time, and is now gone in most of the communities I knew it. There are still those out there who, on catching a trespasser, will emphatically order them to sit down to breakfast. Not too many. But you can tell by looking what sort of a place you're in. Do right and wrong change as culture changes? Not exactly, but according to the law of love, sometimes. It may be that I am a little slow to accept some ugly realities.

     A landowner pitching a fit over a trespasser on some remote scrap of hillside reminds me so much of a child who shrieks, "He touched me!" A landowner who rolls out of his truck with a shotgun in hand is immediately hilarious. Do I love my neighbor? Not enough. I have laughed. I cannot force these images from my mind. 

     What are you buying when you buy your land? I don't know. The thing I've always paid for was a place I could sleep and do a few things without being told to leave. 

     Last year I was sitting down by the creek by my house and a teenage girl came thrashing through the brush. She went on by, not twenty feet from me, and didn't say a word. Later she came by again. She asked If I had seen her dog. I hadn't. It was old, she said, dying, and had wandered off. She found him lying just off the edge of my property line, yet alive, and she came down to the spot every day for a week with food and water, walking through my yard, which was the easiest route, until he died. She never asked permission to do this, or to bury him in my woods above the creek. What a rude girly. After a few days of this I called the police. No I didn't. She was quiet and normal and polite. I helped her dig a hole. 

     Expectation of exclusivity? I cannot wrap my head around it from any standpoint, practical, theoretical, christian, or heathen. It seems to me that if you owned vast tracts of woods it would be odd and alarming if no one ever walked on it. That legal title bestows the power of absolute dominion is a city notion that is violently divorced from natural reality. I wish my creek to run upstream, the sycamores to produce apples, and those kids to quit playing in the woods. I don't know.

     I did not expect or wish for support from the users of this forum. I view sites like these, ideally, as a means for a myriad of convergent minds to chip away at a subject from different angles, creating, hopefully, a gem of a result that can be appreciated from just as many. In reality most forums prop up a target, which is then beat into the dirt by a stampede, all heading from and to roughly the same herd and same goal. It is my fate, apparently, to be the worm slithering beneath the flattened board, and while I do not repent of my dissent, I am truly sorry to have been distasteful. I trust, hope at least, that you all would not find me so in person. 

     All this, and what I meant to say was: Don't automatically lump all the people who show up on your cameras in with those who are stealing your stuff. Well, make whatever judgments you wish, but, if you think about it, you might yourself see a distinction.

     
     
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Jeff on May 22, 2021, 04:38:01 PM
Your calm reasoning MAKES ME SICK. Im getting the heebee jeebies having you lurking around my forum. I mean it, as the owner of this internet property, I find your views disgusting. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: barbender on May 22, 2021, 04:42:54 PM
Yeah, that seems a lot of talking to say "I make my own rules". I'm sure I would be delighted as a landowner to be informed I had a couple of endangered toads on the property that this guy wandered around and found, and now I will be forbidden from using the land the way I intended. If the laws don't suit you here, why don't you go to one of those wonderful places where you can wonder people's property at will, maybe you can just go in the house and cook yourself supper, too?🤦🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Ricker on May 22, 2021, 05:09:57 PM
 What I see is most respectful people honor a owners wishes, whether it's raw land or a home do not enter means the same thing.  It not up to you decifer why they don't want you to trespass.  You can be as philosophical as you want but it is what is, you want to do what you want to do, how you want to do it.  Which I look at like a child jumping up and down shrieking "but I want to" after being told no by their parent.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Will.K on May 22, 2021, 05:29:04 PM
Your calm reasoning MAKES ME SICK. Im getting the heebee jeebies having you lurking around my forum. I mean it, as the owner of this internet property, I find your views disgusting.
Well sir, I'm sorry that's so, and will refrain from any further participation. I find reading here, though, has been informative, and until you concieve of a way to bar unregistered guests, I'll continue to learn in silence. 
Take care, Jeff and all
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Southside on May 22, 2021, 05:40:40 PM
You sir are a true Communist. You believe everything is "communal" in terms of property.

You are also an "agent of the government" since you stated that you are working on a state contract. Guess what, that means the 4th Amendment RESTRICTS your actions. That little bit of wording is located in the "Bill of Rights", something I am sure you don't believe in either.

From what you have stated, and knowing how such projects actually work, because I have participated in them,  the landowners you are surveying have either been informed of your study and approved of your presence, or they were informed and told that by not responding that permission was presumed to have been granted "for the limited purposes of xxx"...and nothing more. So technically someone has requested permission and one way or another been granted it.

I GUARANTEE there are parcels you have been instructed to avoid, because the rightful owners did not consent to the wanna be Thoreau aimlessly skipping across their land.

You are a troll, who by his own admissions has been measured and found wanting. I suggest you try pressing your beliefs on one of the many military installations that dot the landscape. Let us know how that works out for you.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Otis1 on May 22, 2021, 05:46:30 PM
So that guy basically derailed the topic of the thread, advocated for rampant trespassing, and then stated that he's gonna continue trespassing here. Disrespectful. 

I've done thousands of acres of fed, state, and reservation contracts. No need for trespassing, either find the landowner or go the long way around. Usually there's more people watching you than you think.

I was enjoying all of the new camera technology and security ideas.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 22, 2021, 06:42:53 PM
Will K. You stated. Do I go everywhere I want to no. Exactly you know where you can get away with it. Talks cheap. Your beliefs go along the same line of not thinking you need to pay taxes. You will eventually run into somebody that wonít play your little games. I was thinking the same thing Southside said. You stated you laugh at the macho landowners. Well letís see you be a real macho man and roam around a military instillation and see how things work out for yah 😂. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: sandhills on May 22, 2021, 06:50:19 PM
And ive never caught one after the fact, that takes 4k quality cameras, luck and knowing who they are. They all wear hoodies and hats anyways.  And if they get busted they get a court date and released then skip court.  The law has extremely low deterrence on the current generations addiction driven theft.  



Prevention is more important.  

I have run off a lot of them at the fence with a gun and a flashlight.  Not much sleep, need a good outdoor dog.  Put your gas tanks all facing one camera.  They need a lot of expensive fuel to drive around stealing and scoring expensive drugs all night with no income.  The gas can is how you get them on camera.
filled with sugar water, see how far they get....
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Tom King on May 22, 2021, 07:39:33 PM
In the country I live in, you don't get to make up your own rules for land that someone paid for, and pays property taxes on.  You may live in an alternate reality, but I live in real reality.

We have an abandoned rock quarry, with 8 tenths of an acre of crystal clear water, and miles of trails.  No one who is not invited is welcome.  We could lose everything if someone got hurt here.  I have had bus loads of people arrested for trespassing, and don't mind lobbing in a bird bomb if someone is back there who is not supposed to be.   

Sometimes, if there is a car parked where they think they are hiding, they get a ton of dirt dumped so they can't move their car, and a broken handled shovel to get out, along with a picture of their car with license plate in view, parked right under the No Trespassing signs.

We don't get many return uninvited visitors, and that's the way it has to be.  We have years of work tied up in this place, and don't intend to lose it to some selfish, lazy idiot.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Roxie on May 23, 2021, 11:28:44 AM
So that guy basically derailed the topic of the thread, advocated for rampant trespassing, and then stated that he's gonna continue trespassing here.

I was enjoying all of the new camera technology and security ideas.
You are absolutely correct and by the powers vested in me, this topic will return to trying to protect your property and if necessary, I will start a new thread and move the trespassing bragging comments into a separate topic entitled Manifesto (or word salad) of a narcissist.
Carry on.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: trapper on May 23, 2021, 01:59:25 PM
takeing my game cameras to my daughter this afternoon. vacent house next door to her that she is planing to buy to rent out was broken into last night.  Appears someone broke in and slept there last night.  Found a cell phone on the lawn that will be given to to the police with the report from the owner.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: HemlockKing on May 23, 2021, 02:07:10 PM
I’m actually looking at motion sensor security cams solar as I want them down my trails. Has anyone tried these? I’m gonna do some searching shortly but figured I’d ask suggestions. Any good camera suggestions with good image quality.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Roxie on May 23, 2021, 02:35:52 PM
It would be hard to improve on stavebuyerís Spartan cameras but I noticed in his license plate photo, he had a Tasco and thatís the same brand that I bought at Walmart for $40 and that included the batteries and photo card. I counted myself a winner because I didnít need the help of my grandkids to set it up. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 23, 2021, 04:08:19 PM
"4K" is the current high end.  

Wired is more reliable than wireless.

Cheap chinese cams and apps are watching you more than thieves. 

Not every camera can read a face or license plate.  You need plate reader cams that have enough resolution for there to be pixels to blow up and ID a plate or a face for recognition software.  


Watch security company vids on youtube for a while before purchase.  There are a ton.  Expect to start @ $1G for a system youll always be pleased with. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: dgdrls on May 23, 2021, 04:40:25 PM
Almost nothing worse than a thief

You have to be on YOUR GAME for this to work,
Start setting some big spring traps around the place with
 some tripwire pyrotechnics

coupled with the cameras  

D
And you hurt the thief then they sue you and own your place 😂. Sounds crazy it happens. And itís happened to people that were nice to someone they gave permission to hunt or something and get hurt and get sued for a bundle. First thing a lawyer will find out is if the person owns property and there ready to go to work. Itís best to be smart to protect your property or you could loose it
I appreciate your comment,  You're correct you have to be smart, but you also have the right to defend your possessions, and anyway those pesky nocturnal critters
and tearing up my stuff!
D
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: chet on May 23, 2021, 05:35:19 PM
Our firehall was broken into a couple of times before the covid thing. We set up a game camera, and sure enough he came back. The local city cops said we got some great pics, including some really good close ups. They did ask if we could try again and get colored photos, as they were preferred to the black and white ones we had.  ::)
The guy was finally sentenced a couple weeks ago. Three cases of breaking and entering, destruction of public property, and theft, for which he got a whooping one year in our county jail.  :(   Gotta love our court system.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Nebraska on May 23, 2021, 08:25:05 PM
Well at least he got something, worst thing is you can't say no thanks i'll pass when he  catches his residence on fire....  >  >:(
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: YellowHammer on May 23, 2021, 10:24:25 PM
Weíve switched over to Reolink for all our cameras.  With 8 megapixel which can read a plate out to about 30 yards, to vehicle, human, or animal detect, with three different kinds of storage such as direct video recording, SD card and Cloud.  Or they also sell the 4G cell versions also.  Theyíve been very good, and we can play back over the internet, or directly from the recorder.  Whatís cool is that even the cameras have onboard storage, so even if a thief steals the video recorder, and the internet gets cut, the camera still records to itself.  So the thief will have to even steal the cameras, which of course are mounted on roofs, gables, and other hard to reach areas.  We can view the cameras using iPads, phones and computers, locally or remotely.

 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 23, 2021, 11:09:48 PM
Iím actually looking at motion sensor security cams solar as I want them down my trails. Has anyone tried these? Iím gonna do some searching shortly but figured Iíd ask suggestions. Any good camera suggestions with good image quality.
Buckeye cams or Reconyx if you want the best and there prices reflect it. The same ones homeland security uses.They are being used all over the world in every situation. Iíve had and do have both
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 23, 2021, 11:14:13 PM
It would be hard to improve on stavebuyerís Spartan cameras but I noticed in his license plate photo, he had a Tasco and thatís the same brand that I bought at Walmart for $40 and that included the batteries and photo card. I counted myself a winner because I didnít need the help of my grandkids to set it up.
Go price out some buckeye cams and Reconyx you wonít find Walmart price and quality 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on May 23, 2021, 11:18:59 PM
It would be hard to improve on stavebuyerís Spartan cameras but I noticed in his license plate photo, he had a Tasco and thatís the same brand that I bought at Walmart for $40 and that included the batteries and photo card. I counted myself a winner because I didnít need the help of my grandkids to set it up.
Go price out some buckeye cams and Reconyx you wonít find Walmart price and quality
Buckeye cams now have AI and image recognition if you need that. MADE IN THE USA 🇺🇸 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on May 24, 2021, 03:05:07 AM
It would be hard to improve on stavebuyerís Spartan cameras but I noticed in his license plate photo, he had a Tasco and thatís the same brand that I bought at Walmart for $40 and that included the batteries and photo card. I counted myself a winner because I didnít need the help of my grandkids to set it up.
I have several of the Tasco cameras and they do a great job for little money. The downside is the red flash is very visible at night. I have had them discovered and vandalized(and yes I also use them as bait). I recently paired a Tasco with a SpyPoint Cell Link Adapter that makes any camera "cellular". The cell link is a bare bones China made product but does send images in real time. Just a heads up "somebody just opened the back gate" is worth a lot even if its not night vision/hd/facial recognition evidence. As has been said the ones for whom this is "a way of life" will probably  be wearing a hoodie and obscured/missing stolen tags to start with.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on May 24, 2021, 06:37:49 AM
Anything that gets the owner out of bed on time is excellent.  The best deterent is a human being at home who is determined to do something about it.  And deterrence is better than retribution. You keep your stuff and your freedom.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: alan gage on May 24, 2021, 11:13:56 AM
alan gage's friend as described above could/would be labeled as a "Hypocrite".

Merriam-Webster; Hypocrite: A person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
Yes indeed!!!! I have known that type. Protect, amass more and take from others. The sad thing is thatís what he taught his kids and you.
No doubt John could be labeled as a hypocrite for his actions. And probably for more actions than the ones I spoke of. But who of us couldn't be? I've yet to meet a perfect person.

I guess the point I was trying to make, and admittedly I did a poor job of it, was that good people can do things we don't agree with and it doesn't necessarily make them a bad person.

There were a lot of things John and I didn't see eye to eye on. When he did or said something that upset me or if I was just in a bad mood it was easy for me to find his faults. But when I stepped back and looked at the whole picture I could see that John was one of the best and most interesting people I'd ever known.

It was easy for me to forgive John for his perceived faults because I knew him personally. It's harder to forgive people whom we don't know, especially when the only thing we know about them is something we don't like. I read things online or hear comments from people around town that I very much disagree with and it's easy to mentally throw that person under the bus. But after stopping to reflect I realize that if I actually got to know that person we'd probably get along fine and I'd find that they're much more than a sound bite.

Alan
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: jb616 on May 24, 2021, 11:46:30 AM
alan gage's friend as described above could/would be labeled as a "Hypocrite".

Merriam-Webster; Hypocrite: A person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings.
It's also been my experience that whatever someone is accusing you of, they are actually doing themselves. I am sure someone could label it with a psychological term but in their head, that is what they would do, so they accuse you of it...strange but true. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: DDW_OR on May 24, 2021, 11:49:47 AM
I WANT ONE 8) 8) 8)

Glitterbomb 3.0 vs. Porch Pirates - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4T_LlK1VE4)
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Lostinmn on May 24, 2021, 11:54:33 AM
Weíve switched over to Reolink for all our cameras.  With 8 megapixel which can read a plate out to about 30 yards, to vehicle, human, or animal detect, with three different kinds of storage such as direct video recording, SD card and Cloud.  Or they also sell the 4G cell versions also.  Theyíve been very good, and we can play back over the internet, or directly from the recorder.  Whatís cool is that even the cameras have onboard storage, so even if a thief steals the video recorder, and the internet gets cut, the camera still records to itself.  So the thief will have to even steal the cameras, which of course are mounted on roofs, gables, and other hard to reach areas.  We can view the cameras using iPads, phones and computers, locally or remotely.

 
I've been thinking of trying the Reolink cell version at our cabin.  Anybody here that has tried the Reolink Go or the 
Reolink Go PT (pan tilt)?  
These have a solar panel for charging and connect via cell phone sim card.  Online views seem ok, but would love to get some feedback from real world users. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: DDW_OR on May 24, 2021, 01:43:20 PM
Weíve switched over to Reolink for all our cameras.  With 8 megapixel which can read a plate out to about 30 yards, to vehicle, human, or animal detect, with three different kinds of storage such as direct video recording, SD card and Cloud.  Or they also sell the 4G cell versions also.  Theyíve been very good, and we can play back over the internet, or directly from the recorder.  Whatís cool is that even the cameras have onboard storage, so even if a thief steals the video recorder, and the internet gets cut, the camera still records to itself.  So the thief will have to even steal the cameras, which of course are mounted on roofs, gables, and other hard to reach areas.  We can view the cameras using iPads, phones and computers, locally or remotely.

 
I have tried and use several different type of system
I love the POE cameras (Power Over Ethernet)
uses standard Ethernet cables,  up to 300 foot length.
I have used Swann, GW and Lorex.
I like the GW since it sends 5 photos from each camera trigger
The Lorex is 4K, GW is the older 5 MP
The Swann is the very old BNC 720, only good for ? ? ?
Yellowhammer - what system do you recommend?
do you have any PTZ cameras. if so, are they really needed?
what does anyone else have.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: YellowHammer on May 24, 2021, 03:02:38 PM
I put my response in the security camera topic.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: barbender on May 24, 2021, 04:15:23 PM
Alan, I think that was well put. We are all full of contradictions, and if I've figured out anything for sure,  it's that people are complicated.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Jeff on May 24, 2021, 04:49:05 PM
Post removed, inappropriate for the forestry forum. If your post is gone. You know it was yours.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on September 25, 2021, 08:41:09 AM
@stavebuyer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=15189) whats the make and model on those game cams again?  Spartan?
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on September 25, 2021, 12:16:50 PM
@stavebuyer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=15189) whats the make and model on those game cams again?  Spartan?
@mike_belben (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=33722) I have had so many incidents and such good luck my camera fleet continues to grow. 

I have 2 Spartan Gocams. One on Bluegrass and second on Verizon. They offer the most user controls all via the remote app. Unlimited pictures and high definition pictures are included in a flat $15 a month per camera added to my phone bill. These cameras cost $300 a pop plus 12 lithium batteries and an SD card so I try to keep them well hidden.

I have 3 Spypoint adapters that send pictures from a non-cell camera via a rigged SD card cable. Paired with a cheap Tasco camera. Thats the cheapest option but basically no user controls for the camera . I use these focused on my cabin and equipment shed where they blend in amongst the buildings and not likely to see much except me or an intruder. Spypoint offers the first 100 pictures a month for free so that's a good low cost option if you can limit the triggers and still be effective. Like anything else you learn with experience.

I started buying some of the Spypoint Micro LTE cameras. They are $100 a pop and easy to hide. Very low glow but still slightly visible unlike the Spartans which are true "no-glow". The same Spypoint app controls multiple cameras. The Link Micro offers many remote user controls including to ability to turn it off cell connection via the app. It also comes with the first 100 photos per month free. Spypoint also offers an "Insiders Club" which costs $100 per year and gives you 250 photos per month  for an unlimited number of cameras. I added this option. I now have 8 Spyoint devices and with a little planning the 250 per camera per month is pretty useful.


I have the Spartans setup and the game warden gets those pictures emailed in real time. The Spartan app allows you add and delete recipients to receive photos via email. With the Spypoint the only way to add users is to give them your login and password for the account and they have unlimited access at that point.

I also have a "fleet" of non-cell cams I use in higher risk or greater need for concealment. Hard to hide that antenna profile. I let the cell camera pick up the car from a distance out of reach in a tree and put a cheap non-cell down at license plate level sort of thing.

I don't own but have access to my neighbors Tactacam Reveal. Very similar to the Spypoint in price and features.

Spartan is top notch but doesn't come cheap. Spypoint probably the most mileage for the money but takes some effort on the users part to manage it.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on September 25, 2021, 01:48:26 PM
thank you for the detailed explanation.  i am seeing the spypoint cell link universal adapter for $35 to 40 and it says provider is verizon.  i have a straight talk walmart burner phone plan, and i have two old cameras.  a moultrie and a stealth cam.  we do have very crappy wifi at the front portion where we live. 

am i correct in thinking that i buy two of these adapters, stick the adapter cable into the SD slot and it starts sending the images to my phone via the cellular network?  im thinking i will need to have the cameras where i can also make a call, service wise, yes?


do the images trigger an alarm to open the app or come by email or text or..? what happens if you go over 100 per month, do they send a bill?   i sometimes have an income of zero or less for pretty long spells and have to limit recurrent expenses as much as possible. 

 not really having any issues but the crowd is always around.  me taking a midnight stroll a few times in a row when they are on the prowl will get the word out to just quit trying.  theres always someone creeping in the dark sizing things up, testing the dogs, testing my response, etc.  this seems like a cheap way to hone in my response times to when theyll get me the most publicity. an audible notification on the phone would help since its a 3am crowd by nature. 


Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: btulloh on September 25, 2021, 03:54:56 PM
Mike, if I remember correctly your place is about five acres?  Depending on various factors you could probably beef up the wifi to reach, use some inexpensive wifi cameras and appropriate app and do what you need a lot cheaper. The cellular stuff is nice but no matter what, thereís going to be a monthly hit on your bill. Just might be another way to skin that cat.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on September 25, 2021, 04:13:11 PM
Yes; the cell link just starts sending pics from whatever triggers the camera. I had some decent luck with them pairing with a $28 Tasco camera. Some Tascos just would not work with it for whatever reason and neither of my Stealthcams would pair with it so I would start with one and wade in gently. All cell cameras are finicky on batteries. They won't tolerate the voltage drop on the rechargeable ones and the weather eats the alkaline variety pretty fast. Lithium or 12V solar is the way to go. 

The Spypoint App remembers your activation date so it quits sending at 100 unless you decide to upgrade but you don't get billed for going over and you start getting pictures again at whatever your anniversary date is the following month. If you start the cell link adapter today your account will reset on 25 Oct. If you want to buy one month unlimited you can. Very flexible in that regard. The downside is the finicky set-up and not pairing with all cameras even ones of the same make and model. The other is since its a universal "adapter" there is no control. In your back yard that may not a big deal if its remote and limb is waving in front you burn up your month before you can get out to fix it.

Spypoint is also very specific that you must do a "long format" of the SD card on your PC prior to use, I would guess many of the negative reviews are from issues related to people not following that direction. 

If you were a little closer I'd let you borrow an adapter to see if worked for you. When I had the log yard at Crossville I could throw a rock to the cell tower and had no service on my A.T&T phone. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on September 25, 2021, 04:32:07 PM
I get text and email notification from the app as well as normal incoming text message and email alerts. The phone beeps at me when I get a picture. So you are alerted and can view the picture from you phone, computer or both. You want to know when someone pulls in the driveway while you are back at the food plot this works well although depending on the carrier there can be a delay but most mine are within a 30 seconds of the event.

A well place camera will only need attention when the batteries need changing which depends on temps, signal strength, and use. I have gone as long 6 months and 1000s pictures on a set of batteries.

The App has signal strength and battery condition indications.

If your wife has the app on her phone and is logged in to your account she will also get the notifications on her phone.

Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Walnut Beast on September 26, 2021, 03:19:59 AM
These are pretty hot cameras and really good reviews. A buddy has these and they are really good for the money. Tactacam Reveal X Cellular Trail Camera
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Peter Drouin on September 26, 2021, 05:45:57 AM
stavebuyer, The thieves are that bad where you live you have to go though all that bs??
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Post by: Walnut Beast on September 26, 2021, 07:01:57 AM
If you want the best game and security cameras hands down that last years itís Reconyx. Iíve had many many different cameras that have had rave reviews. They all got returned. They just didnít compare to Reconyx. I have Reconyx 600 game cameras that are 10 years old and have been out in the woods for years. Made in the USA 🇺🇸. You get what you pay for..... This is a Reconyx XS8 Surveillance camera 700 bucks and worth every penny..
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Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on September 26, 2021, 08:14:29 AM
stavebuyer, The thieves are that bad where you live you have to go though all that bs??
Mostly with trespassing to hunt/fish/ or ride 4 wheelers. I often give permission but there is a certain element that has no regard for the ownership rights of others and I refuse to let them have their way. I can't be there 24/7 but the cameras can.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on October 04, 2021, 11:27:43 AM
This is last week from a different farm on top of Putnam Knob. I recognized the driver. He will be putting in waterbars and replacing fence.


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And this picture came across this morning from another hill farm. I have more still cameras to check to see if I have a better mugshot. So yeah, the trespassing is bad  and a few more need to be drug into court. Problem is the judges too often let them by with a warning and court costs. They weigh the chance of being caught and a small fine versus what it costs to buy and maintain a place to hunt and figure its still a bargain even if they get caught.


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Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on October 04, 2021, 01:12:27 PM
i got one spypoint rig, gotta go get a microsd for it and see if any of my trailcams will sync. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on October 04, 2021, 06:52:22 PM
i got one spypoint rig, gotta go get a microsd for it and see if any of my trailcams will sync.
Critical to do a "long format" of the micro SD card before installing and pays to bite the bullet and go with Lithium batteries although you could put off the lithium until after you see if the rig connects ok. You might try it with the camera door open first. The SD card cable thing can be finicky in some cameras. Hope yours hits on the first go!
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on October 04, 2021, 09:08:37 PM
Thanks for the tip, i'll google it
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Post by: JDowns71 on October 09, 2021, 08:30:08 PM
I had coffee with a neighbor this morning and we were discussing the same topic. We are at the edge of a mile and a half private drive that rarely sees any outside traffic, but both of us are seasonal right now and the peace of mind to have some sort of cameras out while we are gone is a plus.  We do have nosey neighbors that are here year round so not overly concerned.  But he just purchased the Spartan GoLive and loves it.   I do like the aspect that you can query the camera for a live view anytime you want.  Data plans for the year aren't too bad, camera's are pricey, but you can put up to nine cameras on one data plan and pool the data if you pay yearly.  I ordered two with solar after seeing his setup.  

It is a pricey setup, but with neighbors nearby that I can call in an emergency, and a live camera, I'll rest easier during the off season for sure.    
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on October 19, 2021, 09:07:12 AM
the spypoint cell-link adapter worked and sent images to my phone pretty quick, first try with both my old outdated trail cams. a moultrie and a stealthcam.  at least here in the house with service.  im hopeful itll be as good out in the bush. 

thanks again SB
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: jimbarry on October 19, 2021, 04:40:33 PM
Cameras shoot well, but not as effective as a Winchester rifle.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: HemlockKing on October 19, 2021, 04:48:22 PM
Cameras shoot well, but not as effective as a Winchester rifle.
Careful Jim, our country doesnít believe in rights to defend yourself or property, pretty sure the only means we have by law to shoot someone is if they already took a shot at you, but if they were robbing you mid night and then threaten you with a knife, you can not shoot them. 
Not that many people see it that way around my parts though, and itís common knowledge locally there are crazies that will shoot at you, we live different lives out here than in cityís, yet we are governed to the standards of which city liberal hive minds believe we should be. I canít even walk with a side arm
Pistol on my own land. Oh well, can of worms with me etc.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on October 19, 2021, 10:20:06 PM
we can walk into a church with one hanging right out.  ive seen preachers wear iron. old ladies, you name it. 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on October 20, 2021, 03:12:40 AM
the spypoint cell-link adapter worked and sent images to my phone pretty quick, first try with both my old outdated trail cams. a moultrie and a stealthcam.  at least here in the house with service.  im hopeful itll be as good out in the bush.

thanks again SB
When you are placing the cameras they like to be in the "shade". Direct sun can cause false triggers even on the expensive cameras.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on October 20, 2021, 11:35:35 AM
good to know, thanks.  i was thinkin on hanging it today to see just how many racks ive paid for.  in the woods, not at club bargemonkey.   ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: mike_belben on October 22, 2021, 08:30:33 AM
Deployed trailcam at my mineral site yesterday and had too much horizon in the frame.  Wind came up and bam, pic a minute because of the leaves.  Burned up the 100/month freebie immediately. The only spypoint membership that makes economic sense is unlimited at $15 a month.   Is that per transmitter or per subscriber?  

  I have to go back shortly and aim it further at the dirt and drop the camera to 10 second delay.  


Can this thing transmit video or just still frame? @stavebuyer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=15189) 
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: DDW_OR on October 22, 2021, 12:31:38 PM
I get text and email notification from the app as well as normal incoming text message and email alerts. The phone beeps at me when I get a picture. So you are alerted and can view the picture from you phone, computer or both. You want to know when someone pulls in the driveway while you are back at the food plot this works well although depending on the carrier there can be a delay but most mine are within a 30 seconds of the event.

A well place camera will only need attention when the batteries need changing which depends on temps, signal strength, and use. I have gone as long 6 months and 1000s pictures on a set of batteries.

The App has signal strength and battery condition indications.

If your wife has the app on her phone and is logged in to your account she will also get the notifications on her phone.
now if the camera could be like the cuddle link system and use WIFI instead of Cellular
the cuddle link system allows for the cameras to link together up to 5 miles. it does not use WIFI so i cannot connect to them with the computer.
I use 16 Gig cards and put the cameras serial Number as the name of the camera. that way i know which camera is missing and can report it to the Police. has now helped yet.
my ideal trail camera would have the following:
Cellular and WIFI
long battery life
not look like a trail cam
4K photos and Video
yea i know, dream on
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: Magicman on October 22, 2021, 01:27:13 PM
CuddeLink:  CuddeLink - Cuddeback (https://www.cuddeback.com/cuddelink)
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on October 22, 2021, 04:01:35 PM
Deployed trailcam at my mineral site yesterday and had too much horizon in the frame.  Wind came up and bam, pic a minute because of the leaves.  Burned up the 100/month freebie immediately. The only spypoint membership that makes economic sense is unlimited at $15 a month.   Is that per transmitter or per subscriber?  

  I have to go back shortly and aim it further at the dirt and drop the camera to 10 second delay.  


Can this thing transmit video or just still frame? @stavebuyer (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=15189)
The data plans are per transmitter. If your going to pay $15 a month long term your better off biting the bullet and going with one of the higher end cameras.
I have 8 of the Spypoints at different farms and so I bought the Insiders Club which gives a discount on all data plans and ups the free photos to 250 per camera. It is a learning curve. We had the same wind here and I didn't have any issue. Also some cameras allow you to change the trigger level. Deer or people usually can get by with the lowest detection level.
One good thing about Spypoint is you could spend the $15 for one month to get your camera placement settings lined out and then you will know how much data you want.
Title: Re: Anyone have tips for catching thieves?
Post by: stavebuyer on October 22, 2021, 04:36:44 PM
The cell link adapter is still photos only.
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Post by: mike_belben on October 22, 2021, 04:37:50 PM
Dang your camera collection is worth more than my truck SB!

I need to make myself an angle mount so as to not be at the whim of tree angle and finding the right rock to jam behind the camera all the time.