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Offline Walnut Beast

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Cannon Bars
« on: January 09, 2023, 09:16:30 PM »
Is anybody running them out there ? The regular and lite bars. Thoughts ?

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2023, 01:14:49 AM »
They have a reputation for high quality but hang onto your hat at the price, they are not cheap.
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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2023, 01:36:15 AM »
hang onto your hat at the price, they are not cheap.

I'd let the hat go, wallet is what I'd be concerned about:D
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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2023, 05:27:54 AM »
I know there will be some that disagree,  but I've had good luck with forester bars. The cheap green letter ones. Ii have a 16" on my 550xp and both 20" and 28" for my 372xp.  They have all held up well and at 1/3 the price of husqvarna bars my wallet likes them too.
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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2023, 07:42:54 AM »
I have been running one on my milling saw for a couple years now. I cannot think of a single thing to complain about. 

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2023, 08:17:19 AM »
I tried ordering a Cannon Bar from Canadian Equipment Outfitters and was told that the wait time was 1.5 years.
This was about two weeks ago. It made me wonder about production issues.

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2023, 12:21:40 PM »
I was thinking of this brand bar last nite. I didnt know the lead time was so great. 
I wonder what it would cost to have a bar made at a machine shop. If i remember tomorrow, iíll swing by a local shop and see what it would cost.
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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2023, 12:42:34 PM »
The hard part of having one bespoke made at a machine shop is steel. I have no idea what constitutes an acceptable steel for bar use. Everything has to be right, or it'll wear out, bend, or break at unacceptable times.

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2023, 02:21:14 PM »
The hard part of having one bespoke made at a machine shop is steel. I have no idea what constitutes an acceptable steel for bar use. Everything has to be right, or it'll wear out, bend, or break at unacceptable times.
I have no idea either. Thats why talking to a guy that possibly does know is better than just winging it. 
Back in 2017, while working south of portland, or, i was put in contact with a guy that would build custom bars. He said he used 4140 steel and did the heat treating in house but only treated 3/8Ē of the outer edge for the chain running surface and a strip down the middle of the bar, leaving the ability to flex and return back to shape.
 
Im sure plenty of people here have bent bars before, so its not like these big name brands are much better than oleí so n so. 
I spent 2hrs yesterday filing down and cleaning up my oregon 42Ē bar, from the where the chain wore down the bar enough to create a sharp lip on the back 8Ē, and got worse closer to the drive sprocket. 
My file dug into the oregon bar with ease, compared to the stihl bar that had a better heat treating, if the oregon was treated to begin with. 
The bar has only been used the bar 3x, 2x was to buck 2 big pecan trees and the other was milling a red oak and getting 6 good usable 3Ē slabs out it, the top and bottom cut and a probably filler/bowtie/knife handle wood. Im still on the 1st chain i purchased with the bar. 
I would expect a better quality out of oregon, but this bar fell way short. 
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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2023, 04:19:16 PM »
A guy that would know better than 'winging it' is Rich Dougan, The ChainsawGuy. He's forgotten more about chainsaws and bars than all of the YouTube experts combined. He had real custom machinery at his shop on the Oregon coast that dealt with bent, broken, and butchered-up bars. If anyone could tell ya it was feasible to make bars for a reasonable price, he could.

I started loggin' with General bars...made in Oregon, then Oregon(mostly the price) and finally ended with Cannon. Cannon has no real peers.....except some rep contacted me once about some Euro bars that were laser cut and "supposed" to be the equivalent to Cannon. Made them for harvesters too(I think that's how they started).

But once over here, there was really no price difference, so why gamble on an unknown(to me)?

Not rocket science....run a nice sharp file across the chain rail and that will tell you how hard the bar is there. Since I have old Oregon bars still, I can compare them with newer Oregon bars. But....it's been a loooong time since I bought any new bars.......heard bad things about some newer Oregon bars. They have five 'models' now in their "product family".

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2023, 04:33:22 PM »
I might have gotten an oregon bar that missed the heat treating conveyor or it was a very very poor treatment process. But if what i got was oregonís normal heat treating process, id pay the machine shop 3x the cost of the oregon for guess in proper material vs. buying another oregon. Plus if the shop can get it right, itíll be much faster than the 1.5 yr for cannon, even though id like to get one. 
Iv heard nothing but great things about cannon, but until 3 months ago, i didnt have a need to spend the $700 on a bar, and def dont want to wait the time its possibly going to take to get one. 
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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2023, 05:10:06 PM »
Lots of talk and opinions on running cheap stuff vs high quality stuff. Iíve had lots of high quality stuff and nobody is going to convince me itís as good as high quality stuff. Just like a Rolex and Timex watch. Sure they both tell the time but thatís were it ends. Bottom line is quality stuff costs moreÖÖ

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2023, 05:20:40 PM »
Just had a great conversation with the owner of Cannon bars. Bill. We talked about the cheap bars, what sets them apart and why they typically run 50 to 75 % higher. Heís been with the company since the 70s and took over ownership in the 90s. He made the selection process of bars and chain size very smooth with talking to him and emailing me the exact bars I need to get.

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2023, 06:00:20 PM »
@Walnut Beast 
Is it cannon in general that has long lead times which is passed on to the retailers? I cant find much of anything in the USA that are in stock or dont have 4-6 month lead time. I have though, found in stock or short lead time on bars in AUS. 
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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2023, 06:45:39 PM »
Bailey's will be your best bet probably. To cut through everything I had Bill look on his computer what was in stock of what I wanted and his opinions. Then email me the links so we were on the same page. If they donít have anything in stock or the stuff I was looking for it was November before the next stock will be ready. One bar that was in stock didnít have the right front sprocket but he said I can change it out fairly quick and Iím good on the lite bar for the 500i Iím getting. I wanted 63 gauge in 3/8 and asked his opinions he said it is absolutely better in almost all aspects. Then for the Big boy 881 Iím getting 404 is absolutely better 

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2023, 07:02:52 PM »
Baileys was one of the retailers that were saying 6-8 months. If i was making a living with the bar, that is one thing, but tying my $700 up for 6-8 month, no, not for 1, maybe 2x a yr use. 
Thats why i was looking overseas for availability. iv got 2 acft full of pilots and mechs working in aus on fires, so im gonna see bout one of them bringing a bar back with them on the airline, instead of the quoted 45-90 day shipping. 
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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2023, 07:07:13 PM »
I donít blame you! It looks to be in the 270 range on the ones Iím looking at

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2023, 07:12:32 PM »
One note. On the dura lite bar Iím going to get he said to get the bar adapter so the S1 will work on the Husqvarna also. That bar is around 250

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2023, 07:23:49 PM »
In our conversations about proprietary steel they use and the chrome moly used in the bars I said besides the strength of the bars the chain should have less resistance than the soft steel cheap bars. He agreed

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Re: Cannon Bars
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2023, 08:14:57 PM »
Certain 4140 is a chrome moly steel. Mcmaster carr has some 4140 chrime moly, but not in the parameter i think i need. Gonna see what the machinist can get in american made steel. It might cost me more than a mass produced good quality bar, but itíll be american made by a local american. 
I found a 6í x 6Ē bar of 4140 for $400 and i figure after machining the chain groove and the end for a replaceable nose sprocket, id be in for a lil over $700. But i want 6.5í bar, so im sure itíll cost a lil bit more. 
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