Can anyone give me anything bad to say about the 660s ? I'm going this weekend.
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I only ever saw 1 down here yrs ago 🤷♂️ i think the hours are true, even all the guards are still there.
What is the bracket for on the front blade
From the looks of it that winch has no idea what's about to happen to it.
Quote from: Walnut Beast on February 22, 2021, 09:52:43 PM
What is the bracket for on the front blade
The story I get is that machines plowed snow most of its life, had a pusher / plow on it.
The brackets on the blade were likely used to tote fuel to a buncher or shovel. I am only recalling , 8.3 cummins , clark transmission. Some had ZF axles and parts were expensive and scarce ,others clark/dana. Grapple and rotator parts may be hard to come by as well.
Guys that ran one said they felt really tippy, because you sit so high in them. Just a seat of the pants thing.
A big chip operation ran them your years here. Still have some carcasses laying around. I always heard they were good. The 560s I was told to stay away from. You can tell it's pulled wood by the pain missing and welded the grapple tips. Looks like she's been sitting. Doors off. I'd say cheap. Or nothing.
wow was that a fast and superficial based dismissal.
We had one crew had a 660 they picked up used. Worked good was nice moving the delimber. the 460 was the most common at that time.
Quote from: mike_belben on February 23, 2021, 07:25:10 AM
wow was that a fast and superficial based dismissal.
It's the perspective of someone who actually understands what it is to make a living with machinery. If you are spending 250 a day to hire an operator and he and the mechanic spend the morning trying to tell if the engine is actually running hot or the sending unit is shorted out because a mouse chewed the wires, the supposed savings from buying something that sat abandoned for two years disappear in a hurry.
Send it to me for a couple months. I'll find the weak points.
Tires are good . Does the winch work as it looks like it has never did much so just wondering from sitting . Barge there are some north of you in canada but I never was around them skidding but the one guy I know has 2 of them and a 460 and 360 and they are the machines he uses. Not sure why cause never asked him . Maybe cause of the size
The guy who has this one has 6 jacks, has 3 of these, works all by himself, he bought it 1yr ago to run it. She's seen wood but the story is she hasn't seen wood in a LONG time, plowed snow at a private airport. Im going to call Nortrax 🤮 after I look it over, see what is available and isnt. NOTHING is cheap anymore, another FF member and I where talking excavators last night and stuff thats clean and pre emissions is out of sight. We have a 1923 Model T 1ton show truck and 4 Cletracs and I can order any parts I want, a 23yr old skidder is completely obsolete ? I had heard there was a change over on the axles, i believe this doesn't have the odd ZF axles. That 460 ive got has been BULLETPROOF and put more wood out, kind of what im hoping with this, if its really got 8100hrs ? I figure if I pick this up and that other low hr 450G I stay out of debt for a while.
Go all out and buy a new Deere they have a 15k hrs. Warranty on the Axles and some pretty neat features 😂
Never ran one, but heard they were just an oversized 460, samemotor from what I hear. Good luck.
Barge do you remember years ago when deschaine was down in your country with the only 660 cable they ever made they were skiddin like 2 miles down an abandonded old town rd bunching to it with 2 460 grapples and a grapple cat dozer little frenchman runnin it for him was smaller than clem and moved just as fast looked like a calf roper un bellin chokers and roarin back into the woods had like a dozen slides on it just resurfaced a few years ago i believe walt chandler still has it
I remember when Deschaine bought all that iron, that machine was actually on the job bordering where im cutting now. Guy out Rochester way has it now and puts 3kft a hitch out with it. Im getting to the point i may see if Clem wants to work 3 days a week 😆 They dont come much better than him, in person I can translate pretty good, its hard over the phone sometimes.
Forester for prentice has me going all over even up by you and I just want a big spare.
Quote from: Walnut Beast on February 23, 2021, 04:07:05 PM
Go all out and buy a new Deere they have a 15k hrs. Warranty on the Axles and some pretty neat features 😂
Im working on becoming a slumlord, dont wanna buy new. Bank I deal with is basically 25% and go buy whatever you want, i had to bring down deposits for the store yesterday and got talking to the manager, depends how well the yr goes, last 8wks havent been good.
Quote from: mike_belben on February 23, 2021, 07:25:10 AM
wow was that a fast and superficial based dismissal.
I disagree. I'm looking at it from what I see from barges post. Alone most times all times of day and night. Bought another delimber and is talking about a loader. I just don't see where he has the time to deal with a machine that's been sitting I sure didn't mean anything by it. I have old equipment. I just bought a machine that sat for years. But I work 7-4 most days. Then work on that old equipment after.
And I hammered wood out for a big crew. Took 5 high hour skidders to get it done. Was running low boy 2-3 times a month swapping skidders.
barge im sure others can speak the fringlish language that all french canadian woodsmen seem to speak even at almost 80 years old i bet clem would out skid most men he is an animal in the woods.
joe i hear ya about iron been there seen it all and i will say the most money i kept in my pocket was one helper cuttin big wood on steep ground pullin to the top with the dozer and then usually an hr buggy ride to the header went after the big log trees no one else did. i know where eric is coming from and what he sees there are multiple operators down this way that have multiple machines and only operate themselves or have some part time semi retired help move alot of wood
He cut some pile of wood when he was going. My GF's uncle used to go to the show every yr and take pictures of the parade, im helping her move boxes in the back of a shed and she hands me these photo albums ? I start going thru them and here was Clem when he bought 2x new 820D's, he enjoyed those pictures when i brought them down for him, ive gotten torn up a couple times at that table 😆 yeah he will pause sometimes, go from full French to partial French, just a great man.
I can't see how some of these guys are making it, I work 7 days a week and have periods where I do ok, periods where you dont make anything, new irons nice but nothing ive got the banks going to coming to get if im slow.
so what does the 660 cross over to in size a JD 848 or what, never really been around one much
Yeah it was the 848G for a while. Told the guy with that low hr G3 I was going to spend money this week now he wants to play let's make a deal, not sure what im buying. Ed im afraid of going in over my head, if I got offered the right chiefs job with the right company I can still park this stuff tomorrow. Had a problem down here a few months ago, I would have let it go, made the guy make it right, my father didn't want to hear it and now its a hornets nest, im not working nights alot because I want to, worried about coming back in the morning to all my stuff burned to the ground, I cant get these 2 jobs done fast enough so my iron goes 1hr away, told the Pakistani to hit a certain # and I want that gas station sold, done with these people.
Barge your not telling me something I had kind of figured out in my small weak mind , your not working 7 days a week just because you think its sexy , up here there are deals on machines but I'm just not feeling the love the way everything is going so I had a talk with the 3 of us , me , myself and I and were staying with what we got as far as machines goes , I owe nothing on these so if they have to sit thats not a problem and I'm getting very picky in my old age on what jobs I do , had another job today and said no thanks to . I have done enough of these jobs that really does nothing more than make the land owner alot of money . Things are going to get alot worse before they get better , lumber is at a all time high but we as loggers are not seeing any of that cash, yes I get good coin on stuff that goes into containers but not from my sawmills in this area . Your skidding a long ways so you need to find big skidders that you can bring huge hitches each time . Back in the mid 90's I was in the same boat as you, road cost was just way to much so it was mile to mile and a half skids . I looked at a new clark 668 and some kind of tree length grapple forwarder type machine , I knew the salemen pretty good , forwarder guy told me 364 days a year to break even so 1 day a year it made money so that was off the table pretty fast , the 668 looked good but alot of coin back then and what do you do with it if you can freeze a rd in to where skidding is alot shorter , skidder is just to big and slow . I bought new winch bands for my skidder just in case I need them and another thing happened today, I texted my skidsteer guy and asked if they has any 8 ft wide new angle plows for my machine , price came back at $3500 with everything I wanted , I left him alone and 2 hours later he called me $2350 which I said yes to . This is quite a large dealer and he is scared on whats coming , now you guys I think are in better shape than us cause of how bad we are run up here but I would not stick my neck out to far unless you are sure you got everything covered
Ed you talk to yourself too 😆 I fire myself on a daily basis. Anymore if I cant make reasonable money cutting a job im not even getting involved, let someone else starve to death. By Friday I will have 40k ft of softwood sitting behind me, over 20ld of firewood logs and ship 7-8ld of good logs, on top of hopefully 4ld of pulpwood this week, all by myself.... the deals are around, just got to be ready to jump. I told the guy with the G3 if I buy the skidder hes going to commit to a price on his CLEAN 450J, im so sick of being cold and after buying that 750J I want a cab dozer for the woods.
You have to pick your poison. At some point you'll have to drink some. I don't care what route you take. Your basically winning and loosing big or winning and loosing small. Small gives me less of a headache and I sleep better🙂
yes we talk lots , big thing is you need to sit yourself down and really figure out did you make any more money after spending so much on equipment and the cost of running that equipment per day , yes you produce alot more but your cost is alot more to produce that stuff AND are you always going to have that timber to use that equipment
If america glorified spending as little as possible instead of making as much as possible, we'd have a 3 day workweek instead of 7.
If you think about it . Back when my Dad logged . A log truck took 2500 feet and the team of guys cut 2 or 3 of those a day and made alot more money per thousand than we are today. Just because we produce more does not mean we are making more once its all said and done .
Now back to Barges skudder. Never been around a 848 or a 948 but I'm sure they would pull a hell of a load . Phone Tigercat and tell them you want to demo a new 6 wheel dkidder or I guess johndeere as they may one now just tell them you want to put only 2500 hours on it for a test to see if its the machine you want lol
to the skidder makes gd sense for his operation and the 460 he has was run hard and well maintained by the origional owner and is of the same vintage as that 660 if you go back downsize you could bunch with the 440 and dozer to it for long skids
ed the crazy thing is that the 2500 ft made a living for all 3 and the trucker as well and some more at the sawmill
@Mountaynman (https://forestryforum.com/board/index.php?action=profile;u=31689) These guys dont realize how MUCH wood that little Frenchman cut 😆
I dont know what to do, low hr G3 or this pig 🤷♂️ guy put new batteries in it today, got it out.
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That machine hasn't seem much wood, arch isn't even hammered.
Well seeing it drive around sure helps. Is it a 5.9?
8.3 cummins, Clark trans, basically a big sister to my 460.
In my experience that 8.3 is a snorting beast. Does your timbco have an 8.3?
No, my Timbco was an unloved red headed step child in the UP because it was spec-ed out with a 6068T Deere engine, had only ever seen a barsaw in redpine when i got it. I bought it from Lakeshore when he was still going, no one wanted it because it didn't have the HP for a big head.
I cant find a good brochure on it but im being told its 230-250hp, I will have to check the tag.
Your 460 has a 8.3? All the 360s and 460s I ran had the 5.9. Well except the newer 460h. That was Deere. All good though.
My 460 has a 5.9. That 660 in the picture has an 8.3 cummins.
IIRC the 848G had an 8.1 jd engine. Other than that they were basically the same as the 660.
Barge , the 660 looks pretty good , new tires and forsure not beat up , if the price is right I'm sure it will do the job well
Going out Sunday 🤷♂️ The guy is a dirty iron peddler, my type of people 😆 We sat talking biggest iron flips the other day, im an amateur. Breaking out my fanciest yalmuka and see how far I can beat him down.
You can do it . Just take your fat wallet . Cash is King in most of those kind of places and he has to know that size of a machine is hard to sell and most guys will buy new or newer cause then they can finance it at a bank . Any machine over 10 years old the banks will not touch here . . So I'm thinking by Monday morning we should see pictures of this 660 with 7500 feet of logs behind it heading to the landing
my wife wants to finance a brand new car. i keep telling her people are more desperate than ever in our lives.. just save up a bit of cash and you'll have most of them over a barrel on plenty of good choices. not hearing it. but what can i say.. she pays the bills and didn't deny me my old cash junk (that appreciated a lot in the last few years, unlike a new car that suffers a huge immediate loss).
she's earned it.. i want her to have nice things.. i just don't want to see the gravy train dry up and new slavery come along that we brought upon ourselves after such a long struggle to be free... by the ills of debt. i got out of it and don't want any part of going back in. i will pedal to the store if the old truck is broke.. i get to stay home 7 days a week. thats the reward.. living to actually retire and say no to anyone you want.
Quote from: mike_belben on February 26, 2021, 11:59:06 AMliving to actually retire and say no to anyone you want.
Except the wife,lol. Just kidding, couldn't resist!
You know she is getting that car Mike. What is she getting. A friends wife has a KIA and drives that car during the week 140 mile round trip everyday
Quote from: BargeMonkey on February 25, 2021, 10:55:51 PM
Going out Sunday 🤷♂️ The guy is a dirty iron peddler, my type of people 😆 We sat talking biggest iron flips the other day, im an amateur. Breaking out my fanciest yalmuka and see how far I can beat him down.
Those type of old boys know how to play the game 😂. Better have that bag of money and do some serious talking about how you been loosing your a** working around the clock trying to get ahead, and don't rub him the wrong way 😂. Better save a little money to treat the Girlfriend right on this trip or you might be in the doghouse with everybody
He just bought some low hr 2040 Muktitek package so he wants my money now. 😆
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This machine hasn't seen the woods very much. They cut the snow pusher brackets off, went thru the pans and put the door back on today.
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that blade has never seen rock thats forsure, Barge she looks pretty straight and you can run a paint spray gun so all is good
you buying another wood processor with this skidder in a package deal
happy birthday ehp!
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Quote from: mike_belben on February 26, 2021, 11:59:06 AMliving to actually retire and say no to anyone you want.
Except the wife,lol. Just kidding, couldn't resist!
Ya know.. When i tip toed around her, the outburts and childish BS were constant and terrible because she got her way risk free all the time.. Just throw a bigger tantrum if needed.
When i had enough and said go find somebody else who needs your drama, we'll do joint custody.. she grew up a lot. I mean a lot.. Almost total change when a real consequence was presented. His was yrs ago. But what im basically saying is i tell her no an awful lot but in a strange twist she seems to look to me to give her the self control she lacks in some areas. When she isnt being crazy which these days is very little, we discuss every detail honestly, weigh it all out, make concessions and decide together. It was once terrible and with lots of honesty and prayer has become great. We have an excellent marriage now.
Have no idea what we will do, its no big deal we have been homeless.. This is nothing, zero stress situation for me. Ive got a house to build and materials are skyrocketing so i want her to save her credit for that. So for now shes driving my truck and her alternator is on my bench while i finish the taxes. No biggie.
If i said babe i real need a 660 grapple.. Shed say okay go get it. And if she had the money shed pay for it too. Just doesnt care at all.
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Quote from: donbj on February 26, 2021, 11:46:08 PM
Quote from: mike_belben on February 26, 2021, 11:59:06 AMliving to actually retire and say no to anyone you want.
Except the wife,lol. Just kidding, couldn't resist!
Ya know.. When i tip toed around her, the outburts and childish BS were constant and terrible because she got her way risk free all the time.. Just throw a bigger tantrum if needed.
When i had enough and said go find somebody else who needs your drama, we'll do joint custody.. she grew up a lot. I mean a lot.. Almost total change when a real consequence was presented. His was yrs ago. But what im basically saying is i tell her no an awful lot but in a strange twist she seems to look to me to give her the self control she lacks in some areas. When she isnt being crazy which these days is very little, we discuss every detail honestly, weigh it all out, make concessions and decide together. It was once terrible and with lots of honesty and prayer has become great. We have an excellent marriage now.
Have no idea what we will do, its no big deal we have been homeless.. This is nothing, zero stress situation for me. Ive got a house to build and materials are skyrocketing so i want her to save her credit for that. So for now shes driving my truck and her alternator is on my bench while i finish the taxes. No biggie.
If i said babe i real need a 660 grapple.. Shed say okay go get it. And if she had the money shed pay for it too. Just doesnt care at all.
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Quote from: ehp on February 27, 2021, 06:31:41 AM
you buying another wood processor with this skidder in a package deal
Ive traded a guy XX amount of wood on a 2040 3/4 barsaw, drag that home here in a bit. Im going to do some of my wood and probably pimp it out to a couple other guys who need a processor. I can feed that 2040 all the garbage I wont put in the bells.
so the 2040 is a grapple fed , I switched the one I had to .404 from the 3/4 inch , it cut faster and made alot less saw dust , 3/4 inch is brutal on how much saw dust it made , bars in .404 are $85 , chains are $28. bar in 3/4 inch was $610
Happy Birthday Ed.
I went, I looked, I got back in my truck. Not a bad machine but by the time i go thru it, chains and 2x tires im further ahead to go buy the more expensive machine and be done with it.
yes, been there done that . I went and looked at a TJ 240B and same thing , low hour machine but it needed alot the pictures didnot tell you
I knew your going for that new Tigercat 635 8)
Ed if I had the time to turn wrenches and cash to blow to look at it for a while it might not be a bad deal. By the time i go thru it, 2x tires, chains and nothing major im at 40ish, the other one ive looked at has 7715 TRUE hours, probably the way i go this week.
we all know you got the Cash to Blow but not the time , ya I find about 75% of what you go to look at is not what they claim it to be but you will find a gem just keep looking . You would think you should be able to find some quite new stuff the bank sure would like you to take payments over for someone or willing to take alot less then whats owing on it
Quote from: BargeMonkey on February 28, 2021, 01:57:50 PM
I went, I looked, I got back in my truck. Not a bad machine but by the time i go thru it, chains and 2x tires im further ahead to go buy the more expensive machine and be done with it.
Smart move. Time is money 💰
Quote from: Walnut Beast on February 28, 2021, 09:14:07 PM
Quote from: BargeMonkey on February 28, 2021, 01:57:50 PM
I went, I looked, I got back in my truck. Not a bad machine but by the time i go thru it, chains and 2x tires im further ahead to go buy the more expensive machine and be done with it.
Smart move. Time is money 💰
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I tighten the chains on the this one, do an oil change and take it to the woods, probably pick it up Friday / Monday. Its got 7715 original hours and ive got the paperwork from when Sharps in NH put a brand new engine in it, machines only been in the woods 600hrs, came off the pipeline and had a hose reel on the blade. They sold it for 90k a couple yrs ago, im buying it pretty right. I still want like a 630 size machine at somepoint, next thing is a nice cab dozer and a circle saw.
looks pretty nice , bright green paint will scare the trees when it drives by , big enough to pull a good hitch but not to big where its to slow when skidding off the stump when you have to
Ed im just not ready to step into a 630 class machine, this is actually 10" narrower than my 460 and has fenders. If I cant put wood out with 3 skidders, 2 loaders and that Propac i need to go home. 😆
Your pretty close now in size and they are plenty big enough to get the job done . Big machines find soft ground very fast where smaller can drive all over it with no problems . . That deere looks pretty good and a 648 would most likely be my next skidder . 548 is pretty much just as wide but crazy price tag on them
Now your talking. I loved those skidders. Are those 24.5s? They do real well with 30.5.
Barge it looks nice man! From the sounds of it that Beast should work out very nice for you 👍
you should buy that 640L and the 748 they got as well , both look pretty good . The trees would really be shaking when they see all those machines coming at them
Yeah on 24.5s, only thing I dont like is the ice chains but im hunting for a low hr pair of rings or swap the ice to the front for a while. Im hoping its decent, probably pick it up Monday ? Depending on the weather.
Ed honestly those 640L's are a BAD machine, i move another guy who has one, honestly its a nice machine, looks easy to work on, its about 3400 to delete it.
Looking forward to seeing more pictures of that Bad boy
The 648h I ran was always throwing codes and had egr problems. But always pulled wood. Not always fast at times but never stopped. And went beyond 10,000 hrs. The engine in the glll's were on borrowed time around 10,000. In my opinion ice chains are better than ring chains. I've only ran rings three times and hated them. Don't grab a tree well so you slide down the wood vs the ice chains just bite. Double diamond ice or net chains hold you up in deep snow better I think. And the ring chains seem to need a lot of weight or kinda loose ground to bite. Don't do well pushing a truck on ice. But I know a lot of guys swear by them.
ya those sure are not much of a ice chain on the back tires, I got a set I think I'm going to sell , will not fit your machine as they are for 23.1 by 26 or 184. by 34 , trygg ice ice chains with about 30 hours on them, Got 2 pair and just never run both
Well, my comment is worth zilch. But i prefer the looks of the 660.
That JD is just ugly. ;D
Quote from: Satamax on March 04, 2021, 01:29:18 AM
Well, my comment is worth zilch. But i prefer the looks of the 660.
That JD is just ugly. ;D
You don't like the combine cab turned 180 degrees?
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Quote from: Satamax on March 04, 2021, 01:29:18 AM
Well, my comment is worth zilch. But i prefer the looks of the 660.
That JD is just ugly. ;D
You don't like the combine cab turned 180 degrees?
Combine? As combine harvester?
The 660 looks clean. Has new tires. I like the looks of it.
I find the JD huge, very high, very square. But i've never ran any of those. Nor something even close.
That 660 looked clean.... 🤷♂️ Cab was rough, rotator was rough, needed a couple pins, guy wanted to keep the back tires and put 60% ones on, front tires where rough, engine didnt match the machine, alot worse than my 460 which has 21k hrs and shows up every day. That 648 is 3/4 the size of that 660, its 9'8" wide on 24.5's, i bet that 660 is 5ft longer all day. By the time i paid to truck it home, 2x tires, 2x sets of chain, i was into it for 40k IF nothing else was wrong, I dont mind maintenance but im done wrenching on stuff, pick these 2 dozers up and a decent hood and im going to find a clean 630C-630D tigercat, done messing around.
BargeMonkey, i understand.
It's just that i would be fooled by this 660. I don't have that kind of dough. But it's the kind of machine i would buy in a pinch! :D
why you stuck on Tigercat , they are made just down the road from my place . That 648 should be a good machine and you can get parts
That 660 is big.
Quote from: ehp on March 04, 2021, 04:34:21 PM
why you stuck on Tigercat , they are made just down the road from my place . That 648 should be a good machine and you can get parts
Ed more and more the work here isn't small jobs, and they aren't beautiful wood, literally hammer the daylights out of these high-graded jobs. Im going to clearcut well over 100+ acres this yr and im the little guy here.
ya but once your in Tigercat your in there , I heard rumors a logger over here ordered a new one , not sure if its a 604 or a 602 , I cannot see it being a 620 or a 630 cause thats not going to happen here , Tree bylaw will kick your butt out of the bush so fast .
I've heard tigercat are monsters... When running. You can get a good low hour deere and be ahead, they're quicker and from what I've heard, easier to repair. There are only a couple tigercat I've seen in person and lots of deere and cat. Deere is the quickest of the bunch. I really don't think you can go wrong with any of them, but buying used as you know it's all about the right deal on something that's been maintained.
I sat in a 602 Tigercat a couple years ago at the show in Vermont.
It was HUGE.
But that new skidder smell will get you every time. 8) :D
Quote from: quilbilly on March 04, 2021, 07:40:03 PM
I've heard tigercat are monsters... When running. You can get a good low hour deere and be ahead, they're quicker and from what I've heard, easier to repair. There are only a couple tigercat I've seen in person and lots of deere and cat. Deere is the quickest of the bunch. I really don't think you can go wrong with any of them, but buying used as you know it's all about the right deal on something that's been maintained.
There's quite a few just a little south of you guys mainly 6 wheel drive ones to go hang on the line.
602 can be 119 inches wide and does not turn real well in tight spots and are alot of coin to buy new , I have been to the plant where they make skidders .
The salesman told me the 602 was 240k.
That's about 10 TJ240's like I own.
Lol 8)