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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2020, 09:35:01 AM »
Here is my Yellowhammerism thoughts on spraying sealant:  
"Spraying sealant is simply pasting dollars bills on the ends of lumber, but doesn't add a penny to its value, just keeps from losing it."

Not only that, but in the kiln, those exact same dollar bills just evaporate into the air and out the vents and disappear.

Its money spent simply for lumber to hold is value, not lose it, and if the amount used could be minimized using efficient application or production techniques, then that is a direct savings.  A sprayer of any kind is much more efficient than a brush, and saves 10X the time.  I can also easily adjust how much I put on based on the species, its tendency to cracking, and its value.  I'm never going to spray as much on a 50 cent poplar log as I would on a $4 walnut log.  Some wood I won't put a drop on.  If I can save money by doing nothing, then I like it. 

In my experience, the most effective time to apply sealant as as soon as a log or green lumber is bucked, within minutes, when there is still moisture in the ends of the fibers.  The water based sealant mixes with the water in the green wood on the end of the log or lumber and makes an excellent seal.  If cracks are allowed to start before sealing, then these are hard to stop no matter how much is applied, or enough must be applied to create a bridge across the crack.  Typically, I apply sealant within minutes of cutting, when I put the chainsaw own, I pick up the backpack sprayer and spray the wood.  

As Nathan said in the the video, I like to cut mine by about a third or more to lower the viscosity, but not only just to get a better spray pattern, but to get a better application accuracy.  I've been spraying with a thinner mix for years, there's nothing wrong with it, because I can still end up putting as much on as is needed, but only as much as needed.  I am convinced that putting on so much that the end of the log looks like a wax candle is a waste of money.  Basically, if you put enough on the log to coat it properly and soak in, anything left hanging on the log isn't doing anything, just glueing dollar bills to the end of the log for no reason.  

As a test, just spray a previously sprayed log or board and if it was done correctly, the new spray will immediately bead up and run down the log, like rain on a freshly waxed car.  For me it's a case of use enough, but there is no reason to over use it.  Instead of two thick coats when only one 50% cut coat was only needed, then I save 75% of my money, which equates to significant money over the year.

How do I know if I've sprayed enough on?  Did the lumber crack or get degraded?  If not, good enough.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2020, 07:16:36 PM »
Here is my Yellowhammerism thoughts on spraying sealant:  
"Spraying sealant is simply pasting dollars bills on the ends of lumber, but doesn't add a penny to its value, just keeps from losing it."


Yup.
It's really quite simple.  If you lose 6" from each end of a 10' long board due to end checks, you've just lost 10% of your gross product.  That's product that you incurred costs for milling and drying too.
Several years back I walked into my inventory room to find my employees cutting 12" off of the ends of several hundred board feet of 13' long, 10" - 16" wide 5/4 quartersawn oak boards. It seems that they wanted to stand them up in the vertical racks instead of leaving them horizontal in the pallet racks.  It never dawned on them the financial losses that they were creating.
There was $500.00 of good lumber turned into scrap 1' long pieces laying on the floor, and I walked in when they had only trimmed a small portion of the lumber that they were putting into inventory.
Ouch....  
If you sell $100K worth of hardwood lumber per year, and have to write off 10% of it for end checking, that's a 10K loss. You can buy and apply a lot of anchorseal for $10K.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2020, 07:37:02 PM »

A reminder, Anchor Seal should not go much below 50 degrees F.  For sure if it freezes you have lost it.
US Coatings sells a winter formula that is good year round. I started buying it by the drum about ten years back and its all that I buy. It does not go bad if it freezes.
Thanks for pointing that out Scsmith42. I talked to them today and they have two types basically ones solvent based and some states dont allow that. I asked if you could use all year around without any affects and he said absolutely its fine. You know they sell 270 gallon containers 😂. I asked if the  cordless sprayer was any different except for the brass fittings and he said it was more industrial model than one from farm supply. So Im probably going to get the cordless with the stuff that doesnt freeze. He did say the cordless sprayed a little better than the hand pump unit due to constant pressure. More uniform pattern. I was asking about some log savers to. The larger hammer takes the log savers and flitches also

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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2020, 07:48:23 PM »
I think that anchorseal (original) is petroleum based, more expensive, and they will add antifreeze if you want, as well as color.  anchorseal II is bulked up with plant based additives.  I think if it freezes the wax emulsion separates.  I guess when I buy more, I will have to double check.  I would hate for you to buy 270 gallon tote, and have it freeze and be ruined.  they may have been referring to application temp.  not sure.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2020, 09:37:40 PM »
Doc, you are correct re the differences in formula between Anchorseal Classic and Anchorseal 2, but it is my understanding that if the Classic formula freezes it will go bad.

I recall being told that they addd some methanol to the Classic formula to create the winter version.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2020, 09:44:21 PM »
It has been several years since I spoke with them so I do not claim to remember for sure.  still prob. better to keep it room temp if able.  they did have great tech service people and answered lots of questions.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #26 on: December 09, 2020, 01:52:50 PM »
I buy it winterized in 55 gal barrels.  
Overwinter in an unheated building and haven't had an issue with it going bad on me.   
I know unwinterized stuff can get very chunky 

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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #27 on: December 09, 2020, 02:04:22 PM »
The winter version of Anchorseal 2 just has "wood alcohol" added to it which is methanol. Regular windshield washer fluid is methanol, just mix it in and it wont freeze.

There is also an environmentally friendly winter version of Anchorseal 2 which just has propylene glycol added which is Marine/RV antifreeze.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #28 on: December 09, 2020, 03:08:26 PM »
When I talked to them they have it that way because of EPA restrictions in some states. They definitely dont recommend you adding anything to there mixture on your own as you are defeating the purpose of it. That I personally agree with totally 

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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #29 on: December 09, 2020, 05:21:03 PM »
I'm really glad this thread was started and migrated as it did because it reminded me to move my end sealer into the shop so it don't freeze.    :)    

Also, just want to note that the last batch I bough t was the Bailey's version.   I got 10 gallons of it a few months back.

......, as well as color.  ............
For color, mainly to separate customer lumber I will usually mix in a small amount of latex paint to tint it with.

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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #30 on: December 09, 2020, 06:59:20 PM »
Being totally out of business now I thank my lucky stars that I dont have to worry about applying this anymore.
When I did it was only a few logs at a time so brush worked just fine.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #31 on: December 09, 2020, 09:11:16 PM »
I buy it winterized in 55 gal barrels.  
Overwinter in an unheated building and haven't had an issue with it going bad on me.  
I know unwinterized stuff can get very chunky
I plan on getting the winterized version. How are you applying it ?

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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2020, 01:04:44 PM »
I just got a $100 husqvarna backpack off Amazon and it works great, It comes with 3 different nozzles, I used the red high flow nozzle and thinned the anchorseal a little bit and it sprays like a champ, I'm not sure I really even needed to thin it any.

If you want a sprayer for half the price of the Chapin here is the link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07P11RRXQ/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_3rq1Fb5EXG7QS?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2020, 09:53:11 PM »
I have the Honda motor driven pump from UC Coatings that sits on top of my barrel.   The barrel sits in a home made cradle that allows me to move it around my yard securely with the skid steer.    I can load it in the back of my truck if I need to wax in the field.    For small jobs like when I have one log that needs waxed I keep a 5 gal bucket with anchorseal and just roll it on.

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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #34 on: December 20, 2020, 07:29:56 AM »
Oops!! Wish I had read this earlier, I've only used about a gallon of anchor seal out of a 5 gallon bucket that has been sitting outside with lows in the 30's. What happens to it when it freezes and how can I tell if it is bad?

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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #35 on: December 20, 2020, 10:01:40 AM »
it will separate and be hard to mix back up (emulsify) is what I understand.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #36 on: December 20, 2020, 11:45:34 AM »
it will separate and be hard to mix back up (emulsify) is what I understand.
Yup. Simply said, its gets chunky and becomes difficult to apply. Clogs up a sprayer in a heartbeat too.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #37 on: December 20, 2020, 04:37:36 PM »
It looks like chunky cottage cheese.  
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2020, 04:10:46 PM »
I saw one mill in Wisconsin that had an old, small, mail-delivery vehicle that they kept the Anchorseal in.  It had an added electric heater that they used when parked.  They sprayed logs and lumber.  Just drove up, sprayed, and on to another job.
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Re: A Better Way To Apply Anchorseal
« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2021, 09:00:34 AM »
Yes indeed. Very much worth the effort.

For an added win, I went to the battery powered sprayer. Customized the tip a bit, don't cut the AnchorSeal and it sprays like a champ.

Down side is that it's WAY easier to burn through sealer, as some gets wasted with over-spray, etc. Time is money too, so I believe it's a wash with the waste. On high-value logs, I go back with a big brush, try to work it into the end-grain a bit, then spray some more. Works great.

The reminds me, I need to order some AnchorSeal!
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